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Dawn broke on April 6, 1862, shattering the Peace of Pittsburgh Landing, Tennessee.

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The air, once filled with birdsong, now thundered with the roar of cannon fire and the cries of men.

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The Battle of Shiloh had begun, and with it, a day that would forever change the course of the American Civil War.

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Union forces under the command of Major Ulysses S.

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Grant found themselves caught in a nightmare.

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Their camp nestled near Shiloh.

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Church had seemed secure.

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Grant, battle hardened but perhaps overly confident, had not ordered the construction of defensive fortifications.

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It was a decision that would haunt him as the day unfolded.

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Like demons emerging from the mist, confederate soldiers materialized from the woods.

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Led by the brilliant General Albert Sidney Johnston, the army of the Mississippi descended upon the unprepared Union troops with terrible fury.

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The air filled with the acrid smell of gunpowder and metallic tang of blood, cannons booming, a relentless rain of death.

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Across the woods, chaos reigned as blue clad soldiers scrambled for their weapons, many still wiping sleep from their eyes.

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The initial confederate onslaught sent waves of panic through the Union lines.

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Men who had dreamed of glory now faced the stark reality of war, and some broke ranks, fleeing in terror.

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Yet amidst the mayhem, islands of resistance formed, none more formidable than the area that would come to be known as the hornets nest.

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Here, the determined Union soldiers transformed a sunken road into a fortress, their resolve as unyielding as the oak trees that surrounded them.

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As the sun climbed higher, so did the body count.

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The ground, once green with spring growth, now ran red with the lifeblood of both north and southeast.

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In a cruel twist of fate, Confederate General Johnston, the architect of this audacious assault, fell victim to a stray bullet.

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As his lifeblood ebbed away on the battlefield, so, too did the initial momentum of the confederate attack.

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General Pgt.

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Beauregard assumed command, rallying the confederate forces for one final push.

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The Union lines bent, threatening to break entirely.

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Grant, his uniform caked with mud and gunpowder, moved tirelessly along the front, a rock amid the storm, firing his men to hold fast against the relentless grey tide.

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As dusk fell on Shiloh, the battered Union forces found themselves pushed to the very edge of the Tennessee river.

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The backs against the water, they faced a grim reality.

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The Confederates, despite their losses, seemed poised for victory.

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The first day of battle ended with the Union army clinging desperately to a shrinking pocket of land as over 2000 Union troops finally surrendered the infamous hornets nest.

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In the eerie calm that followed the days carnage, Grant surveyed the devastation, the moans of the wounded and dying filling the air, a haunting lullaby to the horrors of war.

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The Union forces were bloodied, battered, and on the brink of defeat, their fate hung by a thread.

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As night enveloped the battlefield, a crucial question lingered in the air, heavy as the smoke from spent gunpowder.

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Would reinforcements arrive in time?

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Or would dawn bring only the final crushing blow of a confederate victory?

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The answers lay shrouded in the darkness, as uncertain as the future of Venetian itself.

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The games you see, you won't let me be.

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Welcome to talk with history.

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I am your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian, Jen.

Jen

Hello.

Scott

On this podcast, we give you insights to our history inspired world travels YouTube channel journey and examine history through deeper conversations with the curious, the explorers, and the history lovers out there.

Scott

I just want to say up front, this was a much from the non history nerd here from new listeners.

Scott

Scott is the non history alert nerd.

Scott

Even though I'm the host, I enjoyed this battlefield more than I expected.

Scott

And learning about this battle, it was like a short, two day, intense battle.

Scott

A lot happened.

Scott

Momentum was swinging both ways.

Scott

All these big names, some made their name there, some lost their lives there.

Scott

It was one of the bloodiest battles.

Scott

A lot happened at Shiloh.

Scott

So let's get right into it.

Jen

Yeah.

Jen

I think Shiloh is not given a lot of credit for what it was in the civil war.

Jen

Shiloh is such a turning point in a lot of different ways.

Jen

Careers are made at Shiloh.

Jen

Careers are ended at Shiloh.

Jen

I would say the bulk of the war hinges on that whole battle.

Jen

The momentum will be gained for one side, loss for another, and just the footing of the position of it is going to be so important.

Scott

It really seemed to establish relatively early in the civil war.

Scott

Right.

Scott

It's 1862, so still got a couple years till it's going to end.

Scott

It really seemed to cement, obviously, union leadership, but then really remove some key confederate leadership that we'll talk about here in a little bit.

Jen

Yeah, but what else it did?

Jen

It did two things as much as it was.

Jen

It ends up being a Union victory.

Jen

It establishes two things that are just, I would say, not great for everybody.

Jen

It establishes that the Confederates are in this to the end.

Jen

Grant realizes at Shiloh, and he's able to really portray that to Lincoln that these guys are going to fight until the end.

Jen

This is not going to be an easy war.

Jen

This is not going to be, oh, we're just going to shut him down with a couple battles like they thought it was going to be.

Jen

We're just going to go down there and capture the railroad, and that'll be it.

Jen

They'll be like, okay, fine, you guys.

Jen

One, he realizes the fight in these southern men.

Jen

And it's the fight to the end.

Jen

And the country, I think, starts to realize with all the casualties at Shiloh that people are willing to die for their cause for both sides, and that we're in this for the long haul now.

Jen

And I think that realization happens across the board for the north and the south coming out of the battle of Shiloh.

Jen

And I want to talk about the duality of Shiloh because the north is called the Battle of Pittsburgh landing.

Jen

So there's a lot of duality you're going to see throughout the civil war.

Jen

In general, they're named different things depending on what side is telling the story.

Jen

And Shiloh is what the south refers to it.

Jen

It's the battle of Shiloh because there is a church there or a one room log cabin meeting place that they used as a church, sometimes called shiloh, which means peace in Hebrew, which sounds ironic, but Pittsburgh landing is what it's called for the north.

Jen

And the reason why it's called Pittsburgh Landing is that's the part of the Tennessee river where they offload all these troops.

Jen

So it's just a.

Jen

For the topography of it, it's a good location to offload troops from ships.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

And we show that Pittsburgh landing.

Scott

Right.

Scott

They still call it that area of it today, even though it's the.

Scott

Shiloh is the name of the battlefield.

Scott

We do a pretty good job of kind of showing that part of the Tennessee river or that part of the river in Pittsburgh Landing and really giving you a good kind of visualization of how ships would come in and offload it.

Jen

It still looks like it does today.

Jen

And if you ever traveled along the Tennessee river or the Mississippi, there are certain parts that are not as easy accessible for people, and there's parts that look like it's very accessible for people.

Jen

The whole area was picked by Shermandhe so he could offload all of the troops and they could camp out there.

Jen

And Sherman made his camp by Shiloh because it's an open field when you're there.

Jen

So this duality, you're going to see it in a couple different areas.

Jen

The sunken road is going to be referred to the hornet's Nest, sunken road by the north, Hornet's Nest by the south.

Jen

So when you're talking about things in the civil war, I want to remind people that sometimes you could be using two different terms but talking about the exact same thing.

Jen

So if someone's.

Jen

I want to talk about Pittsburgh landing, you're like, well, I want to talk about Shiloh.

Jen

Well, you're talking about the same thing.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

So now remind me how the forces ended up converging on this spot to begin with.

Jen

So, like you said, it's 1862, it's early in the war.

Jen

This is the north penetrating the south.

Jen

Grant is not the commander of the union forces at this time, but he is a high ranking general and he is making his name, and he has just had two major victories in Tennessee.

Jen

He has taken, I think it was Fort Donaldson and Fort Henry and Nashville, Tennessee.

Jen

And so in March of 1862 is when they occupy Pittsburgh landing.

Jen

So Grant's working with Sherman.

Jen

They're coming down, they're bringing their troops.

Jen

They have about 40,000 troops.

Jen

And Grant stays a little further up the Tennessee river in a place called Savannah.

Jen

Tennessee can get confusing, but, and then everybody else, all the troops come down to Pittsburgh landing and Sherman camps out by Shiloh, because it's an easy place to offload these troops and they're heading on to.

Jen

Now, make sure I say it right, Scott.

Jen

Corinth.

Scott

No, it's Corinth.

Scott

The reason that Jen asked that question, if you haven't watched our video, we didn't realize it until after we got back from Shiloh.

Scott

And I was looking over the footage and she said it a few times, and I was looking at maps, and I was like, oh, my goodness.

Scott

She swapped, like the I and the n, so she kept saying Corinth, as in corn and then ith, when it's actually Corinth, as in, like corinthians, the book of the Bible.

Jen

Corinth.

Scott

So Corinth, Mississippi.

Jen

Corinth.

Jen

So Corinth is where they want to go, and it's south of Pittsburgh Landing.

Scott

And I believe strategically, that was, like, just a central location for railroads, for, obviously, the rivers, some rivers that were intersecting in that area.

Scott

So it was just a natural convergence of logistics, which is what a lot of wars are fought around.

Jen

Well, it's exactly what they're looking for, this strategic railroad crossing, because it's two major railroads that cross right there.

Jen

It's the mobile Ohio Railroad and the Memphis Charleston Railroad.

Jen

And all the logistics, think of food, think of ammunition, think of clothing, think of troops are going to travel along those railroad lines.

Jen

And so if you can cut off the railroad, especially to major areas where the south is penetrating, it's just a major victory.

Jen

So that's what they want.

Jen

So grant and Sherman are making their camp knowing that they're going to go on to Corinth.

Scott

Corinth.

Jen

Corinth.

Scott

Like Corinthians.

Jen

Like Corinthians I know pronunciation is not my strong suit, but they're told to wait because gonna be reinforced by troops.

Jen

So they're gonna be enforced by the army of the Ohio.

Jen

It's coming to meet them, about 16,000 troops.

Jen

So right now they have about 45.

Jen

They're waiting for about 16,000.

Jen

So they're told to wait.

Jen

Wait until you get those troops, and then you can go on and attack.

Jen

Now on the other side, on the south side, they realize that they're coming down, and they have high morale right now.

Jen

So we need to stop them.

Jen

And so you're gonna get Johnston, who is this?

Jen

He's considered, like, a great leader.

Jen

He's really good friends with Jefferson Davis.

Scott

He's, like one of the senior generals in the confederate army.

Jen

He is, like, one of the most senior generals, and he's gonna be the most senior person killed in the civil war, period.

Jen

He takes Beauregard and their troops, and they wanna attack him.

Jen

They wanna be on the offensive, because you always have the upper hand if you're on the offensive.

Jen

And so they.

Jen

They had actually planned to attack three days earlier.

Jen

But what's happening right now in April in Tennessee is a lot of rain.

Scott

If we are living in Tennessee right now, and that is rainy season here, rainy season.

Jen

And if you've never been in a southern rain before, oh, my gosh, you can't even see on the road.

Jen

Sometimes it is big, huge raindrops that come quickly, and it's penetrating.

Jen

And what happened is it all these men are really traveling by foot and by wagon, so the crown is just muddy and boggy, and you're by a river.

Jen

You can just imagine the sickness with the mosquitoes.

Jen

So you're dealing with a lot of those issues.

Jen

They wait a couple days for the rain to clear up.

Jen

Well, I think there's a couple things that are their downfall, but that waiting is one of them, because they wait until April 6, and they attack the morning of April 6.

Jen

Now, Sherman knows they're out there.

Jen

He doesn't know where.

Jen

He hears them.

Jen

They're firing random shots.

Scott

I think I read that there were some accounts from the union side that they knew that they were out there because the Confederates were, like, practicing their cannon fire or something like that.

Scott

But if so, that would lead one to believe that, yes, the forces are out there somewhere.

Scott

I may not know exactly where they are.

Scott

So that, like you said, it wasn't 100% a surprise.

Scott

But they weren't expecting them to attack.

Jen

Yeah, they were expecting the attack to happen.

Jen

In Corinth.

Jen

Is that right?

Jen

So, Sherman actually goes out early in the morning of April 6 to check out what they're doing.

Jen

He has his field glasses, binoculars up, and he's looking, and his aide gets shot and killed right beside him, and the field glasses get shot right out of his hand.

Jen

So this is about 06:00 a.m.

Jen

on the 6th, and Grant, up in Savannah, which is up the river about 10 miles, hears it.

Scott

He hears the cannon fire.

Jen

He hears the cannon fire, so much so he stops eating breakfast.

Jen

He gets on his own steamer, the Tigris, and gets down to Pittsburgh, landing.

Scott

Within two to 3 hours.

Jen

Yeah, he's there by 09:00 a.m.

Jen

which is a myth.

Jen

A myth that grant wasn't there, a myth that grant missed the first day, a myth that grant wasn't with his army when they were attacked.

Jen

That's not true.

Scott

And I remember reading, too, when we were there, that grant put a ton of trust in Sherman.

Scott

He trusted Sherman quite a bit.

Scott

And when he got down there, he was walking the lines and doing what a general should is making sure they're showing up here and there and kind of like instilling confidence in the men.

Scott

And then when he got down to Sherman, he basically saw that he was here, checked with them, and was like, great.

Scott

You got it.

Scott

And he went to the rest of his troops and let Sherman hold his part of the front.

Jen

I mean, they're west point grads.

Jen

Sherman will be the only one that day on the battlefield who's West Point grad besides grant.

Jen

And so they trust each other.

Jen

Plus, they have proven themselves both.

Jen

They have both been in battles together.

Jen

They have both proven their worth, proven that they fight, and they both deal with, let's say, propaganda in the news, which is no different than anybody else who's doing well from both sides.

Jen

People are jealous in the north of both of their success, and then people in the south are trying to discredit them.

Jen

So Grant's being called an alcoholic.

Jen

Sherman's being called a warmonger.

Jen

Right.

Jen

So both of them, and they're both laughing at each other about these lies about them.

Scott

Yeah, like they joke with each other about it.

Jen

Yeah, but they're both there to fight.

Jen

So you get the fighting starting about 06:00 a.m.

Jen

a.

Jen

Lot of artillery, a lot of cannons have been brought in.

Jen

So if you go to the battle of Shiloh, you'll see a lot of cannons, which means that the south was there to fight and the north is surprised.

Jen

They get ready they get up on their horses and they start to engage.

Jen

But this first day, I want to remind people, it's pretty even.

Jen

I see a lot of information that'll always say, oh, it was 65,000 troops against 44,000 Confederates.

Jen

No, in the end, that's true on the second day.

Jen

On the second day.

Jen

On the first day, it's about 40,000 union and 44,000 Confederates.

Jen

And that's why the Confederates basically are kick butt.

Jen

That first day.

Scott

Yeah, I mean, basically, and I think you made this point in the video, was by the end of the first day that the scales were tipping on the side of the confederacy.

Scott

They had the momentum.

Jen

They have pushed them basically all the way back to Pittsburgh, landing to the river.

Jen

They have taken Shiloh.

Jen

They're sleeping in Sherman's camp that first night.

Jen

Now, the only saving grace for the union is the sunken road, the Hornets nest.

Jen

What they're both called is, like a little road.

Jen

They call it the sunken road.

Jen

Cause it was like a wagon road.

Jen

Yeah.

Scott

It's not like you hear that name and you would think, oh, they call it that because it was like this ditch.

Scott

It really wasn't.

Scott

It was basically a trail.

Jen

Yeah, it's basically a trail.

Jen

And I want people to remember that they didn't protect and save the Shiloh area until the 1890s, 1894.

Jen

So it's about 30 years later.

Jen

So stories were embellished and changed, and they even said the first person who wrote about the sunken road in their journal wasn't even in a position to see it.

Scott

Oh, interesting.

Jen

So it's one of those legends that become fact.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

So now you mentioned the hornet's nest, and we talk a little bit about that in the video because the Hornet's nest was one of those things that the Confederates.

Scott

I mean, it took all day for them to take that position because Union forces at the Hornets nest, the reason they got that nickname from the south was because it was so difficult to defeat them.

Scott

And basically, like 12 hours of battle of Confederates trying to take that part of the line.

Scott

And then by the end of the day, I think it was, like, around 530.

Scott

There's a sign that had it.

Jen

Yep.

Jen

You get two really great leaders here.

Jen

I would say one Wallace.

Jen

Wallace is the guy.

Jen

Think of Wallace from Braveheart.

Scott

Yeah, he was Union.

Jen

He's Union.

Jen

He's the guy.

Jen

He's holding this hornet's nest.

Jen

They have about 1000 men at first, and then it dwindles down to 300.

Jen

And it's kind of like you.

Jen

As the Confederates are pushing the union back.

Jen

Think of them pushing around on the left and the right, and the middle is staying strong.

Jen

And that's what the hornet's nest looks like in Shiloh, is they're pushing the union, and they're making headway on the right.

Jen

That's where Sherman is really going to fall back.

Jen

They're making headway on the left.

Jen

However you're looking at, that's kind of what the river is.

Jen

And then around them as they kind of encircle, is this hornet's nest where Wallace is saying, and they call it the hornet's nest the south, because these guys won't give up, and they keep fighting.

Jen

Now, we take you there in the video.

Jen

The hornets nest is a very thick, wooden area, like a thicket.

Jen

And again, we got the rain, we got the fog.

Jen

We have artillery that's hitting.

Jen

So everything is foggy and hard to see.

Jen

But these trees are providing so much cover for these men where the Confederates are out in the open.

Jen

So every time the Confederates try to hit them, like, 200 men, they're always pushed back because the guys, the union can hide behind the trees, and so they're really holding their own.

Jen

Wallace will go and try to find a way to retreat, and Wallace is killed.

Jen

And then that's when prentice will take over, and he fights as well.

Jen

What's great about the hornets nest or the sunken road at Northwood call it, is they don't surrender until 05:30 p.m.

Scott

I think you said on the video.

Scott

It basically gives time for the rest of the union to really reinforce themselves as they're falling back.

Jen

Yes, they reinforce themselves.

Jen

They fall back to Pittsburgh landing kind of today, where you would see where the cemetery is.

Jen

And Beauregard Johnston has been killed.

Jen

We'll talk about his death, but Johnston has been killed by here.

Jen

Beauregard has taken control, and he's basically exhausted.

Jen

His troops are exhausted.

Jen

And people say this is a blunder.

Jen

Beauregard, that first day, he should have kept going.

Jen

There's Grant going, where's anybody going?

Scott

He had him on his heels.

Jen

He had him on his heels.

Jen

He's not reinforced yet, but his troops have basically, the Confederates, I hate to admit it, they've stopped fighting.

Jen

They're exhausted.

Jen

They're hungry.

Jen

They start to pillage the camps that they've captured.

Jen

They go for more weapons.

Jen

They go for food.

Jen

They start to relax.

Jen

They were exhausted.

Jen

And so even if Beauregard could have kept fighting, his troops were done that day.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

So that was the night of April 6.

Scott

And then basically, that night, everybody just rested it.

Jen

Rested except for the union.

Jen

There's two, what they call temper clads.

Jen

So they're not ironclads.

Jen

They're union ships that are really, really thick wood.

Jen

They fire throughout the night onto the Confederates, and so they, I would say, keep it alive.

Scott

Keep the pressure a little bit.

Jen

Keep the pressure a little bit.

Scott

Now, overnight, the union does get their reinforcements.

Jen

Don Carlos Buell gets there about midnight, and between midnight four and 04:00 a.m.

Jen

he brings everyone on board, and that's additional.

Scott

What do you say?

Scott

15 to 20,000.

Jen

15,000 fresh troops for the union.

Jen

Now, Grant, that night, Grant has had a mishap.

Jen

He's fallen.

Jen

His horse has fallen on him and squished his leg and hurt his ankle.

Jen

So he went to a makeshift hospital tent that's by Pittsburgh landing, and he didn't want to stay in the tents anymore because they smelled the blood and people screaming.

Jen

So he walks outside and sits under a big tree.

Jen

If you go to Shiloh, there's a big kind of cannon that says, grant's headquarters.

Jen

The night of April 6.

Scott

Oh, interesting.

Jen

His headquarters was a tree.

Jen

He sits under this big oak tree.

Jen

Sherman comes to see him, and he goes, what a devil of a day.

Jen

And Grant will say, but we'll lick him tomorrow.

Scott

Oh, interesting.

Jen

Like he is in this fight.

Jen

And so Buell comes that day, and so Grant wants to have the offensive.

Jen

06:00 a.m.

Jen

offensive just like they came to them the day before.

Jen

The Union will attack at 06:00 a.m.

Jen

the next morning, and it's a surprise for the Confederates because they're thinking that the unit is just as tired as they are.

Scott

But then all of a sudden, there's 15,000 fresh troops.

Jen

15,000.

Jen

Now, the Confederates had.

Jen

I think they had 600 fresh troops themselves, but nothing near as what Grant had gotten.

Jen

And so they're so able to push back and fight.

Jen

And Beauregard, I think it's by noon on the 7th, starts his retreat, and that's where they go, back to Corinth, and they retreat so much so that they say, confederates just ran all the way back.

Jen

We're done.

Jen

And Sherman and Grant don't go past where they were.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

Now, there was a couple of kind of larger than life historical figures we've talked about, one or two of them, some interesting stories about them, Sherman specifically, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember right, when we went there, he had his horse shot out from him, underneath him, three times in those two days?

Jen

Yeah, three different times.

Jen

And his field glasses, remember, were shot out of his hand the first day.

Jen

And his aide was killed right beside him.

Jen

So whoever was picking which one to shoot could have shot him.

Jen

So you get like these again.

Jen

These are moments, these turning points.

Jen

Sherman, his horse, is shot out from him multiple times.

Jen

He misses, his field glasses are shot from him.

Jen

But then you're going to get Johnston, who's killed.

Jen

Who's killed this high ranking Confederate who.

Jen

What happens is, he could have been saved.

Jen

He's shot in the leg where it severs an artery, but it's in his boots where they can't see it, so.

Scott

He couldn't feel it.

Jen

He's had nerve damage in that leg, so he can't really even feel it.

Jen

And he's been.

Jen

His uniform's been shot up a couple times, so he looks ragged anyway.

Jen

But people see the trail of blood, and it's within an hour, he bleeds out.

Scott

He basically just falls over on his horse.

Jen

They pull him off his horse, and he does.

Jen

They still can't even find the wound.

Scott

As he's dead because it's like, in his boot.

Jen

It's in his boot.

Jen

But they had a tourniquet.

Jen

A tourniquet could have saved his life, and it wasn't used.

Jen

So you get these good luck, bad luck things happening to high ranking people on either side.

Jen

And once Davis hears that Johnston has been killed, he even fears for the rest of the war, this is gonna be a real hit to the morale of the south.

Scott

Now, there was one other kind of well known historical figure that had a small part on the tail end of the second day, and that was Nathan Bedford Forrest.

Scott

So the story, if I remember right, about him, Washington, he was leading a small kind of squad of men or something like that, and they get encircled by union troops.

Scott

And so the Union troops are trying to capture him because he's sitting on his horse, and they can see he's an officer.

Scott

And he basically was pretty crazy.

Scott

Something like, he, like, charges these union soldiers that are coming at him, and he basically scoops one up and uses them as a human shield as he's riding through the rest of them to run off and escape.

Jen

Crazy story.

Jen

And if you've ever seen that crazy Nathan Bedford Forest statue that they used to have heading up to Nashville, this is not actually the day of the battle.

Jen

It's the day after.

Jen

It's April 8.

Scott

April 8.

Jen

It's called timber falls because it's even further back than the battlefield.

Jen

And american battlefield trust is actually trying to preserve this area right now.

Jen

So what happens is Sherman is riding out to see where the armies have gone.

Jen

Where have the Confederates gone to?

Jen

Where have they retreated to?

Jen

And timber Falls has become a makeshift hospital for the Confederates.

Jen

And Nathan Bedford forest, who has missed battle.

Jen

He wasn't in Shiloh.

Jen

He gets there that day.

Jen

That's why he's so fresh and ready to fight.

Jen

Sees the Confederates coming, and he wants to protect the men in the hospital.

Jen

So that's what he's doing.

Jen

He's riding out to protect those men to give him time.

Jen

Now, Sherman sees this.

Jen

Everyone's, like, battle worn and tired.

Jen

So Sherman sees this guy and how full of piss and vinegar he is, and they back off.

Jen

And they go back.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

Now, if the name Nathan Bedford Forest sounds familiar to you and you can't place, like, why do I know that name?

Scott

Well, it's because he's better known for some.

Scott

Some other stuff throughout history.

Jen

Yeah, he's actually the first episode we ever did on walk with history because he had a statue in Memphis.

Jen

When we first moved to Memphis, we were both Yankees who had no idea who Nathan Bedford Forrest even was, and he had this very prominent statue in Memphis, Tennessee.

Jen

So I made a video kind of explaining to my family and people who he was.

Jen

The statue was no longer there.

Jen

It has been removed.

Jen

But he was a confederate general.

Jen

He survives the civil war.

Jen

He goes on to be instrumental in the beginning of the Ku Klux Klan.

Scott

I think he was pretty well known for Fort Pillow.

Jen

Yes, he's very well known for Fort Pillow, and that's what the video is about.

Jen

Fort pillow, where african american troops were captured, Union troops were captured.

Scott

Yeah.

Scott

So there's all these larger than life historical figures at this battle.

Scott

That was one of the things that was just.

Scott

I was so pleasantly surprised by whether it's beauregard and Johnston and Grant and Sherman and Nathan Bedford Forest.

Scott

And I was like, I know all these names, and I am just the general.

Scott

I barely paid attention to history in high school person.

Scott

So it was just a fascinating kind of historical story for us to tell Ydev.

Jen

And it's a beautiful battlefield.

Scott

It's very well done.

Jen

The north has gettysburg.

Jen

The south has Shiloh.

Scott

It's beautiful.

Jen

Now, we haven't done Vicksburg.

Jen

We're going to Vicksburg tomorrow.

Jen

But Shiloh is beautiful.

Jen

It needs its due, because what you come out of Shiloh with is that famous saying from Lincoln.

Jen

Now, what happens at Shiloh is the casualties of Shiloh.

Jen

So I was just reading the human cost of Shiloh is 24% of all confederate soldiers present will die.

Jen

24% if you were present the first day as a union troop, 26% chance of dying.

Jen

If you were there the second day, it's 20% so.

Jen

And as a whole, anybody who fought in Shiloh, the total casualties was 21%.

Jen

This was the first time that had happened on american soil.

Jen

So both sides are just rung through the wringer in the press.

Jen

So Grant, even though this turns out, he's clenching a victory from the jaws of defeat.

Jen

He's run through the ringer for all the loss of life.

Jen

When you go to Shiloh, that's why there's mass pits of confederate dead.

Jen

There is a cemetery there now that wasn't there at the beginning.

Jen

They had Dugdez men up and put them into that cemetery.

Jen

There are two Confederates that found their way into that cemetery.

Jen

They're marked as well, if you ever want to go there.

Jen

But Lincoln is going to get such criticism from, again, the other Union generals, because Grant is not the head of the Union army as of yet.

Jen

Why are we allowing this man to have such control?

Jen

Why are we allowing Grant to have such control?

Jen

Look at how he just disregards human life and kills men.

Jen

And Lincoln's famous comeback is, I cannot spare this man.

Jen

He fights.

Jen

So he has been used to.

Jen

This is early in the war.

Jen

He's used to retreats.

Jen

He's used to people who don't fight.

Jen

And Grant fights, and you get unconditional surrender.

Scott

Grant, he's really the answer to the Robert E.

Scott

Lee Stonewall Jackson combo.

Scott

Right?

Scott

He really is.

Scott

And he's the first.

Scott

First one that gains notoriety for that.

Scott

Whereas on the confederate side, they had some very well established, very smart, very good military leadership on their side.

Jen

Yes.

Jen

So you're going to get this combo of Grant and Sherman coming out that are going to be the duality of Lee and Jackson.

Jen

And we know what eventually happens to Jackson.

Jen

So it's one of those turning point battles that was just so pinnacle to where the war was going to go.

Jen

And this is when we're going to get into the southern theater now.

Jen

Right.

Jen

The Union is going to push through into the south now, and we're going to be going to Vicksburg, and we'll talk more about that battle.

Jen

But it was just amazing to go to Shiloh.

Jen

It has a lot of legends.

Jen

Hopefully, we've talked about some of those and we've made some of them.

Jen

Right.

Jen

But it's one of those places that it really does remind me of.

Jen

Gettysburg yeah, it's very drivable.

Jen

They have markers everywhere that explain things and explain the markers to you.

Jen

They can.

Jen

They really tell you the difference between the first day and the second day, which is really great because you get such a great battle between these first, these two days.

Jen

And so it's a beautiful battlefield, and I just recommend anyone get out there and go to it if you get the chance, because for us, it was someplace we always wanted to go.

Jen

And now that we've been, I don't know why we didn't go sooner.

Scott

Yeah, it was amazing.

Scott

If you were in this general area of Tennessee, I think it was about, what, an hour and a half for us from Memphis towards Nashville.

Scott

It's absolutely worth taking a day.

Scott

You could probably spend a good part of a day there and go see Shiloh, even if you just do the driving tour and then, and then the museum.

Scott

It was.

Scott

It was really pretty incredible.

Scott

As the first light of dawn crept over Tennessee on April 7, 1862, the weary Union soldiers braced themselves for what seemed to be their final stand.

Scott

But fate, it seemed, had other plans.

Scott

In the early hours of the morning, the unmistakable sound of steamboat whistles pierced the air.

Scott

It was the sound that filled the Union troops with renewed hope and the Confederate with dreadland.

Scott

Major General Don Carlos Buell's army of the Ohio had arrived, bringing with them fresh troops.

Scott

Grant, his determination unwavering despite the previous day's setbacks, wasted no time.

Scott

He quickly integrated Buell's forces into his battered lines and prepared for a counterattack.

Scott

The reinforcements were not just a numerical advantage.

Scott

They brought with them a surge of morale that electrified the Union ranks.

Scott

As the sun rose higher, illuminating the blood soaked fields of Shiloh, Grant unleashed his reinvigorated army.

Scott

The Union forces, now outnumbering the confederate foes, advanced with a ferocity that caught the southern troops off guard.

Scott

The tables had turned.

Scott

Now it was the Confederates who found themselves pushed back, struggling to maintain their cohesion in the face of the relentless Union assault.

Scott

The very ground they had conquered the day before was now slipping from their grasp.

Scott

Throughout the day, the battle raged with renewed intensity.

Scott

The Union troops, emboldened by their reinforcements, fought with a vigor that belied their exhaustion.

Scott

They reclaimed lost positions, pushing the confederate lines further and further back.

Scott

General Beauregard, recognizing the shifting tides of battle, made the difficult decision to withdraw.

Scott

By mid afternoon, he ordered a general retreat, pulling his battered forces back towards Corinth, Mississippi.

Scott

As the confederate army began its withdrawal, the full extent of the battle's toll became apparent.

Scott

The fields of Shiloh were a grim testament to the war's brutality.

Scott

Littered with bodies of over 23,000 dead, wounded, or missing soldiers from both sides.

Scott

The Battle of Shiloh had ended, but its impact would resonate throughout the rest of the war.

Scott

The Union victory snatched from the jaws of defeat, had preserved Grant's army and dealt a significant blow to the confederate hopes in the western theater.

Scott

As the sun set on April 7, the surviving soldiers of both armies grappled with the enormity of what they had experienced.

Scott

The battle had been a brutal awakening, dispelling romantic notions of war and revealing its true horrific nature.

Scott

For Grant, the victory was bittersweet.

Scott

The heavy casualties and the near disaster of the first day would haunt him, but the experience would shape him into the tenacious commander who would ultimately lead the Union to victory.

Scott

The road ahead remained long and bloody, but the Union's resolve, tested in the fires of Shiloh, had emerged stronger than ever.

Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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Scott

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