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This is episode 227 of Teacher Approved.

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We're so glad you're tuning in today. Let's get to

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the show.

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Hey there. Thanks for joining us today. In today's

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episode, we are sharing practical strategies for

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handling student work refusal, and we have a teacher approved

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tip for creating a simple prevention checklist you can use

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during lesson planning.

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Let's start with a try it tomorrow, where we share a quick

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win that you can try in your classroom right away. Emily,

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what's our suggestion for this week?

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This week try the Choice to Skip strategy. So when you're

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giving an assignment with multiple problems or questions,

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tell your students that they can choose one to skip. You might

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say something like, everyone needs to do problems five and

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eight, but you can choose one of the other problems to skip.

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We know that this sounds counterintuitive, but giving

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kids permission to skip something often makes them way

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more willing to tackle the rest.

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I know, it's such a good strategy. So if you like this

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idea or anything else we share here on the podcast, we would

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appreciate it so much if you would take a second and give us

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a five star rating and review in your podcast app.

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Alright, let's talk about one of those classroom moments

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that can make or break your day. That is when a student just will

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not work.

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Yeah, we all know how it goes. You've taught a great

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lesson, given clear directions, and most kids are happily

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working away. But there's that one student, or, you know, maybe

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a few, that are sitting there with their arms crossed,

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scribbling on their paper or finding every possible way to

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avoid the task.

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As a teacher, this is so triggering, it feels personal

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like they are provoking us on purpose. And I'm not fully

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convinced that they're not.

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Right. But if you only remember one thing from today's

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episode, we want you to remember this, work refusal is

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communication.

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And even if it feels like what they're communicating is

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defiance, I promise that it is much more than that. These kids

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are telling us something, and it's our job, as the grown up,

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unfortunately, to figure out what that something is.

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And that does not mean that it is not frustrating, but

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that does mean there's a lot we can do about it. And let's start

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with the single most effective way to deal with work refusal,

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and that is to prevent it from starting in the first place.

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That is basically our behavior management mantra. What can we

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do to stop it before it starts?

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And with work refusal, that really comes down to this.

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Are your lessons clear, engaging, and broken down in a

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way that supports student success?

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And we promise this can be much simpler than it may

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sound. It just means asking yourself, am I giving students

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enough opportunities to do the work with me before I expect

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them to do it on their own? The more you build that in, the less

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likely you are to hit a wall of refusal when it's time for

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independent practice.

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Now this doesn't mean that you have to hand out a

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worksheet mid lesson for your students to work on. There are

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lots of quick and easy ways to get students thinking and doing

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while you're teaching, without having to get out paper and

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pencil.

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If you want lots of examples, go back and check out

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episode 161 where we talked about how to add active

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responses to any lesson using choral response, signals, signs,

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writing, and technology.

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Now, hopefully this single step of preparing

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engaging lessons magically solves all of your work refusal

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problems before they start.

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Yeah, please, fingers crossed.

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And to help you with that task, at the end of this

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episode, we have a quick checklist that we'll share that

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you can use to evaluate any lesson before you teach it.

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Okay, but let's be honest, even the best, most

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engaging lesson isn't going to prevent every instance of work

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refusal. Sometimes what worked great yesterday may totally flop

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today.

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So let's get you set up with a toolbox for what to do

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when, despite your best efforts, work refusal shows up anyway.

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The first tool is to understand what not to do.

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Yeah, we want to avoid the "don'ts" that can take a

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rough moment and turn it into a full scale disaster.

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But if you see yourself in any of these, please be

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gentle with yourself, because it is so easy for this to happen.

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When kids refuse to work, it triggers some pretty strong

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emotions, and our first instinct might be to double down or to

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start threatening consequences, but don't get caught in a power

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struggle.

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Right. A power struggle is the absolute least helpful

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solution to this problem. We are after cooperation, not

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compliance. The moment it becomes a battle of wills,

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everybody loses.

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Our second "don't" is don't punish, especially by

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taking away recess. Kids need that movement, and the break

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time, and taking it away will likely cause more problems later

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in the day, not fewer.

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And don't assume students are being lazy or difficult on

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purpose, even if it seems like 100% that is what is happening.

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There is usually something else going on.

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Now, in desperate moments, we know it can be so

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tempting to resort to bribes, something like, if you just do

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this page, you can have extra computer time, but don't do

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this. Bribes will work in the moment, but they're not solving

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the underlying issue, and they can actually make work refusal

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worse over time.

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The last "don't" might be the most important. Don't react

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out of frustration. When you feel that emotional reaction

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rising up, you know, the irritation, the anger, pause and

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take a breath before you respond. Regulate yourself

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first, because whatever you do next will either help the

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situation or make it a whole lot harder.

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And really, we know it is so easy to feel triggered in

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this moment. So please, if you have experienced any of these

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"don'ts" in the past, be kind to yourself, because we have all

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done it. Probably we've all done a whole combination of those.

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Yeah, in tough moments, we don't always respond as the

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best version of ourselves. And I can, like, just feel my blood

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pressure rising just talking about this and remembering what

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it feels like in these moments where you want to just get into

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it, like, no, no, you are going to do it, because I said so. But

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now that you have got some clarity about how work refusal

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might trigger you, remind yourself to pause and breathe

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before reacting in the future.

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And then once you have avoided that minefield of

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don'ts, you're in a much better place for the next step in

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managing work refusal, which is to get curious.

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Remember, work refusal is communication, like we said.

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Every time a student refuses, they're telling you something,

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even if it's coming out sideways through crossed arms and

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dramatic size. Our job isn't to win the battle. It's to figure

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out what's going on underneath.

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When you are 10 minutes into writing time and one kid

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still hasn't picked up a dang pencil, shift your focus. Try

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pretending you're a doctor, and challenge yourself to evaluate

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this patient. Start by asking yourself, what might this

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behavior be trying to say, and what does the student need right

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now?

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If one student is refusing to write their

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persuasive essay because they had a fight at recess, and

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another is refusing because they don't understand the assignment,

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they need completely different responses from you.

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So try running through a list of diagnostic questions.

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Does the student have the academic skills to complete this

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task? Maybe the directions don't click, or maybe they're missing

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background knowledge. What looks like defiance might actually be

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a quiet panic.

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And sometimes the issue is attention, not ability. Look

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around the environment. Is it too noisy or distracting? Is the

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student dealing with something outside of school that makes

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focusing nearly impossible in the moment? Maybe their little

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world is crumbling, and the last thing they have the bandwidth

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for is writing a persuasive essay.

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Also consider if the student actually knows how to

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get started. This is an executive functioning challenge.

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The student might have the right understanding, but planning out

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the steps feels overwhelming, so they just shut down instead.

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And don't forget basic needs. Are they hungry, tired,

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uncomfortable? Nobody can do their best work if their body is

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struggling.

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Now, if you can't diagnose the problem from the

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outside, just try asking the student what they need in order

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to get started. When you approach with curiosity instead

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of judgment, the student feels seen instead of shamed, and that

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really changes everything.

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And curiosity also gives you options. If it's a skill

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issue, you can scaffold. If it's planning, you can break down the

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task into smaller steps. If it's focus, you can offer a quick

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regulation break.

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So instead of asking, why won't they just do this work,

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flip it to what's getting in their way right now, and how can

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I help clear that path?

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Of course, kids can't always articulate what's wrong,

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and you'll likely get a response like nothing, or, I don't know.

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And when that happens, use your past history with the

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student to make your best guess about whether the problem is

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academic, emotional, or environmental. Then once you

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have a theory about what's going on, you can respond in a way

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that actually addresses the root issue.

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Once you've managed any outside issues that might be

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impacting the student, you're ready for the next step,

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offering support that helps students re engage.

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Now let's imagine that you have just wrapped up your

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top notch, super engaging geometry lesson. Next is time

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for independent practice. You explain the assignment and you

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turn the kids loose. It seems like everyone is getting to

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work, but then you take a closer look, and you notice one kid is

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drawing Pokemon on his paper, one is playing with the Gibbets

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on her crocs, and another hasn't even noticed there's a paper on

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his desk.

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Ugh, those Croc Gibbets. You can feel your blood pressure

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rising by the second. Why did these kids have to make

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everything so hard? So the first thing is to remember the don'ts,

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don't react, don't get into a power struggle. Take some deep

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breaths and let your brain reset.

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And then while you're breathing, get curious. What

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does each situation need? Use what you know about your past

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interactions with these kids to diagnose the problem. Are there

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any deeper, academic, emotional, or environmental problems at

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play?

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Then address the issues you can and provide the support

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students need to get started. Maybe the girl with the crocs

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just needs a reminder to leave her shoes alone. But if students

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need more support, we're going to use a tool from Fred Jones'

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book Tools for Teaching, called praise, prompt, and leave.

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Now I swear by this technique, it can absolutely

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save you in a tough moment, and it has saved me in plenty of

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them. So let's talk about how this works in action. You walk

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over to the desk nearest you, maybe it's the kid drawing the

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Pokemon pictures, and you find something to praise about what

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they have done right so far. Now this might be tricky if all he's

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done is draw Pokemon pictures.

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Yes, but even if all you can say is, I'm glad you've got

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your pencil ready to go, starting with connection will

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help keep the situation positive.

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The type of praise you use in this moment really does

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matter. Try to focus on effort, not ability. Something like,

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"look how quickly you got started on that first problem"

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is more useful than "you're so smart."

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After praising whatever action they've taken, give them

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one simple prompt about the very next step they should take.

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Don't go over the whole assignment, just the next step.

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Say something like, "the next thing you need to do is circle

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all the angles."

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And then you leave. Don't hover or wait for them to

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complete that step. You will circle back in a few minutes to

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check on progress, but don't wait for them to get started

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before you move on. The goal is to scaffold their independence,

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not make them dependent on you, walking them through every step.

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Now let's say you've calmed your emotions, you've

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gotten curious about what's going on, and you've tried to

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praise, prompt, and leave, but the work still isn't getting

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done. We have all been in those situations, it can leave you

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feeling really stuck.

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But we promise you are not stuck, because you have got

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some more tools to try. When you find yourself in this moment,

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the next step is to make the work feel more manageable. A lot

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of the time, work refusal comes down to the task being too big

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or too out of the student's control.

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Yeah, think about how you feel when someone hands you a 10

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page form to fill out. Oh, the worst. Large assignments can be

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daunting, even to adults, so let's do what we can to limit

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that overwhelm for our kids.

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So how do we shrink that mountain down into a hill that a

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student can actually climb? Two of the best tools we have for

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this are chunking and offering agency. Emily, can you tell us

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more about chunking?

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Yeah, well, when we say chunk an assignment, isn't it

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such an elegant word to describe it? This means we're breaking

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the work down into smaller, bite sized steps. So instead of

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expecting students to face a whole page of math problems,

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cover all but the first one or two and say, work these, then

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we'll check in.

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This also works with other assignments, like writing.

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Instead of "write a paragraph about your favorite animal," you

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can try chunking your directions. "First choose the

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animal you're going to write about, and then write one

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sentence about what it looks like."

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You can also try chunking the time. Use timers to create

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mini deadlines, like, "Work for three minutes, then let's see

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how far you get." Each small win builds momentum, and before you

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know it, the student who couldn't even start five minutes

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ago is suddenly halfway done.

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Besides chunking, you can make work more manageable by

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offering agency. Kids are much more likely to engage when they

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feel that they have some say in what happens.

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Now before you have a heart attack, that absolutely

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does not mean turning your class into a free for all. Think of it

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more like choices within structure.

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Yeah, you're likely to find students much more engaged

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in their work if they have some say in how it gets done. So try

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offering limited options and see how quickly it changes the mood

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in your room. Just make sure that you can live with whatever

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they choose.

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Yeah, don't offer students the choice to either do

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their work independently or with a buddy if you don't want to

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manage partner work at that moment. It's fine, there are

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lots of simple ways to give students options that don't make

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your job harder.

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An easy one, for example, is to try offering students the

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choice of where to work. "You can stay at your desk or take

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your paper to the carpet," or, "You could work at the top of

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your desk, or you could turn around and use your chair as a

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desk." You know, little tweaks make a big difference.

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You can also give students the choice of how they

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work. Can they use pen, pencil or crayon to complete the

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assignment? Or maybe give options about the format of

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their response. "You can write this out, type it, or draw your

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response."

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One of my favorite options for students, and one of

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the easiest was to let them choose the order they do the

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problems. If it doesn't really affect the outcome, just let

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them pick. "You can start with the first three problems or the

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last three problems. It's up to you."

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And that choice to skip strategy from our try it

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tomorrow fits perfectly in this category.

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Kids love that one. Honestly, it will make you their

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favorite teacher.

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Another way to offer choice is to invite the student

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into helping solve the situation. Ask them, "what part

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feels hardest," or "what would make this feel doable?"

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Empowering students to solve their own problems can be just

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the nudge they need to turn things around.

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As helpful and powerful and useful as these tools are,

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sometimes the wisest decision you can make is just to do

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nothing.

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Yeah, as a teacher, you need to learn to recognize when

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the battle isn't worth it. If anything you try is just going

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to escalate the situation, just leave it alone. Assuming the

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child isn't in any danger, a short reset or coming back to it

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later can be more effective than forcing compliance right now.

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Maybe they need a few minutes to cool down, or maybe

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the timing just isn't right. You can always circle back when

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they're in a better headspace.

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When things have calmed down and it's time to have that

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conversation, the most important thing is to listen. Don't jump

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in with your thoughts about what's happening. Let them talk

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first. You really might be surprised what you learn.

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And if work refusal becomes a persistent pattern,

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that's when you might need to involve other support, school

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counselors, administrators or parents. You don't have to solve

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everything by yourself.

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Okay, let's do a quick recap of our strategies for

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handling work refusal. First, prevent it when you can with

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engaging, well-scaffolded instruction that sets students

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up for success. When it does happen anyway, avoid power

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struggles, punishment or bribes. Regulate yourself first, get

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curious about what the behavior is communicating, like, is there

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an academic, emotional or environmental issue at play?

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Next, provide support with praise, prompt, and leave.

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Make the work feel manageable by breaking it down and offering

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choice within structure. Involve students in collaborative

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problem solving, and know when it's better just to let it go

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and come back later.

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Remember, work refusal is communication, not defiance. You

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have tools to respond without burning yourself out. These kids

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aren't trying to make your life difficult. They're trying to

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tell you something, and now you know how to listen.

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We would love to hear how these strategies work in your

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classroom. Come join the conversation in our Teacher

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Approved Facebook group.

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Now for our Teacher Approved Tip of the Week, where

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we share an actionable tip to help you elevate what matters

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and simplify the rest. This week's teacher approved tip is

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to create a simple prevention checklist for lesson planning.

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So tell us about this, Heidi.

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Well, we mentioned earlier in the episode that

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prevention is your best strategy for avoiding work refusal. So we

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want to give you some specific questions that you can ask

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yourself during lesson planning. These literally take one minute

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to run through, but they can save you 20 minutes of

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redirecting and re-teaching during work time.

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Here are the questions. First, academic readiness. Can

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most of your students do this independently after your guided

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practice? Is there a clear model or example they can refer to?

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What's the hardest part of this task, and have you taught that

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piece well enough?

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Next, engagement and motivation. Why would a student

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care about this assignment? Is there any choice, movement or

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novelty built in? Can you explain the why behind this work

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in kid friendly terms?

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Then overwhelm prevention. Does this look

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doable at first glance, or does it look like a lot? Can you

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break this into smaller chunks or steps? How long will this

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realistically take your slowest worker?

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Also consider environment and logistics. Do students have

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everything they need to complete this? Are there too many

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distractions happening during this work time? Is this the

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right time of day for this type of task?

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And finally, differentiation reality check.

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What will your struggling learners do when they get stuck?

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What will your fast finishers do so they don't become

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distractions? Do students understand what being done with

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this assignment looks like?

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And here is my favorite question of all. If you were

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tired and this assignment landed on your desk right now, would

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you want to do it? If the answer is no, your students probably

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won't want to do it either.

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These questions help you catch potential work refusal

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before it happens, and honestly, they make your teaching more

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engaging for everyone, not just the kids who might refuse to

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work.

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We will put the full checklist in the show notes so

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that you can reference it easily during planning time.

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To wrap up the show, we're sharing what we're giving extra

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I'm giving extra credit to Noco cookie cakes on

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credit to this week. Emily, what gets your extra credit?

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Instagram. She's also on Tiktok. I randomly stumbled on her

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account like a month ago, and I got sucked in watching these

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videos. So it's this woman who, last year, I believe, lost her

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job, and I don't really understand why, but she got this

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idea of making cookie cake. So she's making just like a big

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chocolate chip cookie, and then using frosting to decorate it.

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But the best part is she does a voiceover of the recording of

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But she is not a decorator. She's not really good at writing

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or drawing anything. So already like the outcome is hilarious.

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her, the sped up, you know, clip, edited version of her

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making this cake. And it just delights me. She's hilarious. I

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saw on her Instagram, she described herself as a cookie

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cake comedian. And I was like, yeah, that's accurate. I wish I

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lived in Colorado. I'd get myself a cookie cake so that she

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could make fun of me while she makes it. Because she always

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makes fun of like, what people request on their cake, or

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laments, why do people keep making me write things, and

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anyway. And the other funny thing is, she says all the time

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that she doesn't like frosting, like she would not want to eat

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one of these cakes, which makes it even funnier. It's so good.

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If you need a laugh, I will link to it in the show notes. Noco

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cookie cakes.

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Highly recommend. I did see though today, I don't know

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if you saw this, she hurt her hand.

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Oh no.

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She hasn't been able to decorate her case.

Emily:

No, I haven't seen that. What a tragedy.

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I know. So everyone's a bit concerned. Hopefully Noco

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can continue.

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Yes, please. I'll have to check in on that. What are you

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giving extra credit to, Heidi?

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Well, I'm giving extra credit to the picture book A

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Fall Day for Bear by Bonnie Becker. I love these bear books

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so much. It's about like a grumpy, surly just want to be on

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his own, introvert, bear and a peppy, extroverted mouse who

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adopts him as his best friend.

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Against as well.

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Yeah, so they have all kinds of hijinks together. Yeah,

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a fall picture book is always a win. And then this is just so

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cute. And this one, though, it's a bit of a role reversal,

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because mouse is having a really bad day, and so bear has to step

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up to cheer him up. So it's very sweet. It's a perfect book for

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fall. I know we did some vocabulary for Christmas for

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Bear and Mouse. I think we have a vocabulary resource.

Emily:

Yes.

Heidi:

So if you have not met bear and mouse, this is the

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moment you need to jump on that.

Emily:

Yeah, and I did not know about this new book, so I'm

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excited to check it out.

Heidi:

It's very cute.

Heidi:

That is it for today's episode. Remember, work refusal is

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communication. Your job isn't to force compliance. It's to figure

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out what your students need and to help them get there.

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Try our strategies for handling work refusal with

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curiosity instead of frustration. And don't forget

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our Teacher Approved tip for creating a prevention checklist

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during lesson planning.

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