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Heidi:We're so glad you're tuning in today. Let's get to
Heidi:the show.
Emily:Hey there. Thanks for joining us today. In today's
Emily:episode, we are sharing practical strategies for
Emily:handling student work refusal, and we have a teacher approved
Emily:tip for creating a simple prevention checklist you can use
Emily:during lesson planning.
Heidi:Let's start with a try it tomorrow, where we share a quick
Heidi:win that you can try in your classroom right away. Emily,
Heidi:what's our suggestion for this week?
Emily:This week try the Choice to Skip strategy. So when you're
Emily:giving an assignment with multiple problems or questions,
Emily:tell your students that they can choose one to skip. You might
Emily:say something like, everyone needs to do problems five and
Emily:eight, but you can choose one of the other problems to skip.
Heidi:We know that this sounds counterintuitive, but giving
Heidi:kids permission to skip something often makes them way
Heidi:more willing to tackle the rest.
Emily:I know, it's such a good strategy. So if you like this
Emily:idea or anything else we share here on the podcast, we would
Emily:appreciate it so much if you would take a second and give us
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Heidi:Alright, let's talk about one of those classroom moments
Heidi:that can make or break your day. That is when a student just will
Heidi:not work.
Emily:Yeah, we all know how it goes. You've taught a great
Emily:lesson, given clear directions, and most kids are happily
Emily:working away. But there's that one student, or, you know, maybe
Emily:a few, that are sitting there with their arms crossed,
Emily:scribbling on their paper or finding every possible way to
Emily:avoid the task.
Heidi:As a teacher, this is so triggering, it feels personal
Heidi:like they are provoking us on purpose. And I'm not fully
Heidi:convinced that they're not.
Emily:Right. But if you only remember one thing from today's
Emily:episode, we want you to remember this, work refusal is
Emily:communication.
Heidi:And even if it feels like what they're communicating is
Heidi:defiance, I promise that it is much more than that. These kids
Heidi:are telling us something, and it's our job, as the grown up,
Heidi:unfortunately, to figure out what that something is.
Emily:And that does not mean that it is not frustrating, but
Emily:that does mean there's a lot we can do about it. And let's start
Emily:with the single most effective way to deal with work refusal,
Emily:and that is to prevent it from starting in the first place.
Emily:That is basically our behavior management mantra. What can we
Emily:do to stop it before it starts?
Heidi:And with work refusal, that really comes down to this.
Heidi:Are your lessons clear, engaging, and broken down in a
Heidi:way that supports student success?
Emily:And we promise this can be much simpler than it may
Emily:sound. It just means asking yourself, am I giving students
Emily:enough opportunities to do the work with me before I expect
Emily:them to do it on their own? The more you build that in, the less
Emily:likely you are to hit a wall of refusal when it's time for
Emily:independent practice.
Heidi:Now this doesn't mean that you have to hand out a
Heidi:worksheet mid lesson for your students to work on. There are
Heidi:lots of quick and easy ways to get students thinking and doing
Heidi:while you're teaching, without having to get out paper and
Heidi:pencil.
Emily:If you want lots of examples, go back and check out
Emily:episode 161 where we talked about how to add active
Emily:responses to any lesson using choral response, signals, signs,
Emily:writing, and technology.
Heidi:Now, hopefully this single step of preparing
Heidi:engaging lessons magically solves all of your work refusal
Heidi:problems before they start.
Emily:Yeah, please, fingers crossed.
Heidi:And to help you with that task, at the end of this
Heidi:episode, we have a quick checklist that we'll share that
Heidi:you can use to evaluate any lesson before you teach it.
Emily:Okay, but let's be honest, even the best, most
Emily:engaging lesson isn't going to prevent every instance of work
Emily:refusal. Sometimes what worked great yesterday may totally flop
Emily:today.
Heidi:So let's get you set up with a toolbox for what to do
Heidi:when, despite your best efforts, work refusal shows up anyway.
Heidi:The first tool is to understand what not to do.
Emily:Yeah, we want to avoid the "don'ts" that can take a
Emily:rough moment and turn it into a full scale disaster.
Heidi:But if you see yourself in any of these, please be
Heidi:gentle with yourself, because it is so easy for this to happen.
Heidi:When kids refuse to work, it triggers some pretty strong
Heidi:emotions, and our first instinct might be to double down or to
Heidi:start threatening consequences, but don't get caught in a power
Heidi:struggle.
Emily:Right. A power struggle is the absolute least helpful
Emily:solution to this problem. We are after cooperation, not
Emily:compliance. The moment it becomes a battle of wills,
Emily:everybody loses.
Heidi:Our second "don't" is don't punish, especially by
Heidi:taking away recess. Kids need that movement, and the break
Heidi:time, and taking it away will likely cause more problems later
Heidi:in the day, not fewer.
Emily:And don't assume students are being lazy or difficult on
Emily:purpose, even if it seems like 100% that is what is happening.
Emily:There is usually something else going on.
Heidi:Now, in desperate moments, we know it can be so
Heidi:tempting to resort to bribes, something like, if you just do
Heidi:this page, you can have extra computer time, but don't do
Heidi:this. Bribes will work in the moment, but they're not solving
Heidi:the underlying issue, and they can actually make work refusal
Heidi:worse over time.
Emily:The last "don't" might be the most important. Don't react
Emily:out of frustration. When you feel that emotional reaction
Emily:rising up, you know, the irritation, the anger, pause and
Emily:take a breath before you respond. Regulate yourself
Emily:first, because whatever you do next will either help the
Emily:situation or make it a whole lot harder.
Heidi:And really, we know it is so easy to feel triggered in
Heidi:this moment. So please, if you have experienced any of these
Heidi:"don'ts" in the past, be kind to yourself, because we have all
Heidi:done it. Probably we've all done a whole combination of those.
Emily:Yeah, in tough moments, we don't always respond as the
Emily:best version of ourselves. And I can, like, just feel my blood
Emily:pressure rising just talking about this and remembering what
Emily:it feels like in these moments where you want to just get into
Emily:it, like, no, no, you are going to do it, because I said so. But
Emily:now that you have got some clarity about how work refusal
Emily:might trigger you, remind yourself to pause and breathe
Emily:before reacting in the future.
Heidi:And then once you have avoided that minefield of
Heidi:don'ts, you're in a much better place for the next step in
Heidi:managing work refusal, which is to get curious.
Emily:Remember, work refusal is communication, like we said.
Emily:Every time a student refuses, they're telling you something,
Emily:even if it's coming out sideways through crossed arms and
Emily:dramatic size. Our job isn't to win the battle. It's to figure
Emily:out what's going on underneath.
Heidi:When you are 10 minutes into writing time and one kid
Heidi:still hasn't picked up a dang pencil, shift your focus. Try
Heidi:pretending you're a doctor, and challenge yourself to evaluate
Heidi:this patient. Start by asking yourself, what might this
Heidi:behavior be trying to say, and what does the student need right
Heidi:now?
Emily:If one student is refusing to write their
Emily:persuasive essay because they had a fight at recess, and
Emily:another is refusing because they don't understand the assignment,
Emily:they need completely different responses from you.
Heidi:So try running through a list of diagnostic questions.
Heidi:Does the student have the academic skills to complete this
Heidi:task? Maybe the directions don't click, or maybe they're missing
Heidi:background knowledge. What looks like defiance might actually be
Heidi:a quiet panic.
Emily:And sometimes the issue is attention, not ability. Look
Emily:around the environment. Is it too noisy or distracting? Is the
Emily:student dealing with something outside of school that makes
Emily:focusing nearly impossible in the moment? Maybe their little
Emily:world is crumbling, and the last thing they have the bandwidth
Emily:for is writing a persuasive essay.
Heidi:Also consider if the student actually knows how to
Heidi:get started. This is an executive functioning challenge.
Heidi:The student might have the right understanding, but planning out
Heidi:the steps feels overwhelming, so they just shut down instead.
Emily:And don't forget basic needs. Are they hungry, tired,
Emily:uncomfortable? Nobody can do their best work if their body is
Emily:struggling.
Heidi:Now, if you can't diagnose the problem from the
Heidi:outside, just try asking the student what they need in order
Heidi:to get started. When you approach with curiosity instead
Heidi:of judgment, the student feels seen instead of shamed, and that
Heidi:really changes everything.
Emily:And curiosity also gives you options. If it's a skill
Emily:issue, you can scaffold. If it's planning, you can break down the
Emily:task into smaller steps. If it's focus, you can offer a quick
Emily:regulation break.
Heidi:So instead of asking, why won't they just do this work,
Heidi:flip it to what's getting in their way right now, and how can
Heidi:I help clear that path?
Emily:Of course, kids can't always articulate what's wrong,
Emily:and you'll likely get a response like nothing, or, I don't know.
Heidi:And when that happens, use your past history with the
Heidi:student to make your best guess about whether the problem is
Heidi:academic, emotional, or environmental. Then once you
Heidi:have a theory about what's going on, you can respond in a way
Heidi:that actually addresses the root issue.
Emily:Once you've managed any outside issues that might be
Emily:impacting the student, you're ready for the next step,
Emily:offering support that helps students re engage.
Heidi:Now let's imagine that you have just wrapped up your
Heidi:top notch, super engaging geometry lesson. Next is time
Heidi:for independent practice. You explain the assignment and you
Heidi:turn the kids loose. It seems like everyone is getting to
Heidi:work, but then you take a closer look, and you notice one kid is
Heidi:drawing Pokemon on his paper, one is playing with the Gibbets
Heidi:on her crocs, and another hasn't even noticed there's a paper on
Heidi:his desk.
Emily:Ugh, those Croc Gibbets. You can feel your blood pressure
Emily:rising by the second. Why did these kids have to make
Emily:everything so hard? So the first thing is to remember the don'ts,
Emily:don't react, don't get into a power struggle. Take some deep
Emily:breaths and let your brain reset.
Heidi:And then while you're breathing, get curious. What
Heidi:does each situation need? Use what you know about your past
Heidi:interactions with these kids to diagnose the problem. Are there
Heidi:any deeper, academic, emotional, or environmental problems at
Heidi:play?
Emily:Then address the issues you can and provide the support
Emily:students need to get started. Maybe the girl with the crocs
Emily:just needs a reminder to leave her shoes alone. But if students
Emily:need more support, we're going to use a tool from Fred Jones'
Emily:book Tools for Teaching, called praise, prompt, and leave.
Heidi:Now I swear by this technique, it can absolutely
Heidi:save you in a tough moment, and it has saved me in plenty of
Heidi:them. So let's talk about how this works in action. You walk
Heidi:over to the desk nearest you, maybe it's the kid drawing the
Heidi:Pokemon pictures, and you find something to praise about what
Heidi:they have done right so far. Now this might be tricky if all he's
Heidi:done is draw Pokemon pictures.
Emily:Yes, but even if all you can say is, I'm glad you've got
Emily:your pencil ready to go, starting with connection will
Emily:help keep the situation positive.
Heidi:The type of praise you use in this moment really does
Heidi:matter. Try to focus on effort, not ability. Something like,
Heidi:"look how quickly you got started on that first problem"
Heidi:is more useful than "you're so smart."
Emily:After praising whatever action they've taken, give them
Emily:one simple prompt about the very next step they should take.
Emily:Don't go over the whole assignment, just the next step.
Emily:Say something like, "the next thing you need to do is circle
Emily:all the angles."
Heidi:And then you leave. Don't hover or wait for them to
Heidi:complete that step. You will circle back in a few minutes to
Heidi:check on progress, but don't wait for them to get started
Heidi:before you move on. The goal is to scaffold their independence,
Heidi:not make them dependent on you, walking them through every step.
Emily:Now let's say you've calmed your emotions, you've
Emily:gotten curious about what's going on, and you've tried to
Emily:praise, prompt, and leave, but the work still isn't getting
Emily:done. We have all been in those situations, it can leave you
Emily:feeling really stuck.
Heidi:But we promise you are not stuck, because you have got
Heidi:some more tools to try. When you find yourself in this moment,
Heidi:the next step is to make the work feel more manageable. A lot
Heidi:of the time, work refusal comes down to the task being too big
Heidi:or too out of the student's control.
Emily:Yeah, think about how you feel when someone hands you a 10
Emily:page form to fill out. Oh, the worst. Large assignments can be
Emily:daunting, even to adults, so let's do what we can to limit
Emily:that overwhelm for our kids.
Heidi:So how do we shrink that mountain down into a hill that a
Heidi:student can actually climb? Two of the best tools we have for
Heidi:this are chunking and offering agency. Emily, can you tell us
Heidi:more about chunking?
Emily:Yeah, well, when we say chunk an assignment, isn't it
Emily:such an elegant word to describe it? This means we're breaking
Emily:the work down into smaller, bite sized steps. So instead of
Emily:expecting students to face a whole page of math problems,
Emily:cover all but the first one or two and say, work these, then
Emily:we'll check in.
Heidi:This also works with other assignments, like writing.
Heidi:Instead of "write a paragraph about your favorite animal," you
Heidi:can try chunking your directions. "First choose the
Heidi:animal you're going to write about, and then write one
Heidi:sentence about what it looks like."
Emily:You can also try chunking the time. Use timers to create
Emily:mini deadlines, like, "Work for three minutes, then let's see
Emily:how far you get." Each small win builds momentum, and before you
Emily:know it, the student who couldn't even start five minutes
Emily:ago is suddenly halfway done.
Heidi:Besides chunking, you can make work more manageable by
Heidi:offering agency. Kids are much more likely to engage when they
Heidi:feel that they have some say in what happens.
Emily:Now before you have a heart attack, that absolutely
Emily:does not mean turning your class into a free for all. Think of it
Emily:more like choices within structure.
Heidi:Yeah, you're likely to find students much more engaged
Heidi:in their work if they have some say in how it gets done. So try
Heidi:offering limited options and see how quickly it changes the mood
Heidi:in your room. Just make sure that you can live with whatever
Heidi:they choose.
Emily:Yeah, don't offer students the choice to either do
Emily:their work independently or with a buddy if you don't want to
Emily:manage partner work at that moment. It's fine, there are
Emily:lots of simple ways to give students options that don't make
Emily:your job harder.
Heidi:An easy one, for example, is to try offering students the
Heidi:choice of where to work. "You can stay at your desk or take
Heidi:your paper to the carpet," or, "You could work at the top of
Heidi:your desk, or you could turn around and use your chair as a
Heidi:desk." You know, little tweaks make a big difference.
Emily:You can also give students the choice of how they
Emily:work. Can they use pen, pencil or crayon to complete the
Emily:assignment? Or maybe give options about the format of
Emily:their response. "You can write this out, type it, or draw your
Emily:response."
Heidi:One of my favorite options for students, and one of
Heidi:the easiest was to let them choose the order they do the
Heidi:problems. If it doesn't really affect the outcome, just let
Heidi:them pick. "You can start with the first three problems or the
Heidi:last three problems. It's up to you."
Emily:And that choice to skip strategy from our try it
Emily:tomorrow fits perfectly in this category.
Heidi:Kids love that one. Honestly, it will make you their
Heidi:favorite teacher.
Emily:Another way to offer choice is to invite the student
Emily:into helping solve the situation. Ask them, "what part
Emily:feels hardest," or "what would make this feel doable?"
Emily:Empowering students to solve their own problems can be just
Emily:the nudge they need to turn things around.
Heidi:As helpful and powerful and useful as these tools are,
Heidi:sometimes the wisest decision you can make is just to do
Heidi:nothing.
Emily:Yeah, as a teacher, you need to learn to recognize when
Emily:the battle isn't worth it. If anything you try is just going
Emily:to escalate the situation, just leave it alone. Assuming the
Emily:child isn't in any danger, a short reset or coming back to it
Emily:later can be more effective than forcing compliance right now.
Heidi:Maybe they need a few minutes to cool down, or maybe
Heidi:the timing just isn't right. You can always circle back when
Heidi:they're in a better headspace.
Emily:When things have calmed down and it's time to have that
Emily:conversation, the most important thing is to listen. Don't jump
Emily:in with your thoughts about what's happening. Let them talk
Emily:first. You really might be surprised what you learn.
Heidi:And if work refusal becomes a persistent pattern,
Heidi:that's when you might need to involve other support, school
Heidi:counselors, administrators or parents. You don't have to solve
Heidi:everything by yourself.
Emily:Okay, let's do a quick recap of our strategies for
Emily:handling work refusal. First, prevent it when you can with
Emily:engaging, well-scaffolded instruction that sets students
Emily:up for success. When it does happen anyway, avoid power
Emily:struggles, punishment or bribes. Regulate yourself first, get
Emily:curious about what the behavior is communicating, like, is there
Emily:an academic, emotional or environmental issue at play?
Heidi:Next, provide support with praise, prompt, and leave.
Heidi:Make the work feel manageable by breaking it down and offering
Heidi:choice within structure. Involve students in collaborative
Heidi:problem solving, and know when it's better just to let it go
Heidi:and come back later.
Emily:Remember, work refusal is communication, not defiance. You
Emily:have tools to respond without burning yourself out. These kids
Emily:aren't trying to make your life difficult. They're trying to
Emily:tell you something, and now you know how to listen.
Heidi:We would love to hear how these strategies work in your
Heidi:classroom. Come join the conversation in our Teacher
Heidi:Approved Facebook group.
Emily:Now for our Teacher Approved Tip of the Week, where
Emily:we share an actionable tip to help you elevate what matters
Emily:and simplify the rest. This week's teacher approved tip is
Emily:to create a simple prevention checklist for lesson planning.
Emily:So tell us about this, Heidi.
Heidi:Well, we mentioned earlier in the episode that
Heidi:prevention is your best strategy for avoiding work refusal. So we
Heidi:want to give you some specific questions that you can ask
Heidi:yourself during lesson planning. These literally take one minute
Heidi:to run through, but they can save you 20 minutes of
Heidi:redirecting and re-teaching during work time.
Emily:Here are the questions. First, academic readiness. Can
Emily:most of your students do this independently after your guided
Emily:practice? Is there a clear model or example they can refer to?
Emily:What's the hardest part of this task, and have you taught that
Emily:piece well enough?
Heidi:Next, engagement and motivation. Why would a student
Heidi:care about this assignment? Is there any choice, movement or
Heidi:novelty built in? Can you explain the why behind this work
Heidi:in kid friendly terms?
Emily:Then overwhelm prevention. Does this look
Emily:doable at first glance, or does it look like a lot? Can you
Emily:break this into smaller chunks or steps? How long will this
Emily:realistically take your slowest worker?
Heidi:Also consider environment and logistics. Do students have
Heidi:everything they need to complete this? Are there too many
Heidi:distractions happening during this work time? Is this the
Heidi:right time of day for this type of task?
Emily:And finally, differentiation reality check.
Emily:What will your struggling learners do when they get stuck?
Emily:What will your fast finishers do so they don't become
Emily:distractions? Do students understand what being done with
Emily:this assignment looks like?
Heidi:And here is my favorite question of all. If you were
Heidi:tired and this assignment landed on your desk right now, would
Heidi:you want to do it? If the answer is no, your students probably
Heidi:won't want to do it either.
Emily:These questions help you catch potential work refusal
Emily:before it happens, and honestly, they make your teaching more
Emily:engaging for everyone, not just the kids who might refuse to
Emily:work.
Heidi:We will put the full checklist in the show notes so
Heidi:that you can reference it easily during planning time.
Heidi:To wrap up the show, we're sharing what we're giving extra
Emily:I'm giving extra credit to Noco cookie cakes on
Emily:credit to this week. Emily, what gets your extra credit?
Emily:Instagram. She's also on Tiktok. I randomly stumbled on her
Emily:account like a month ago, and I got sucked in watching these
Emily:videos. So it's this woman who, last year, I believe, lost her
Emily:job, and I don't really understand why, but she got this
Emily:idea of making cookie cake. So she's making just like a big
Emily:chocolate chip cookie, and then using frosting to decorate it.
Emily:But the best part is she does a voiceover of the recording of
Emily:But she is not a decorator. She's not really good at writing
Emily:or drawing anything. So already like the outcome is hilarious.
Emily:her, the sped up, you know, clip, edited version of her
Emily:making this cake. And it just delights me. She's hilarious. I
Emily:saw on her Instagram, she described herself as a cookie
Emily:cake comedian. And I was like, yeah, that's accurate. I wish I
Emily:lived in Colorado. I'd get myself a cookie cake so that she
Emily:could make fun of me while she makes it. Because she always
Emily:makes fun of like, what people request on their cake, or
Emily:laments, why do people keep making me write things, and
Emily:anyway. And the other funny thing is, she says all the time
Emily:that she doesn't like frosting, like she would not want to eat
Emily:one of these cakes, which makes it even funnier. It's so good.
Emily:If you need a laugh, I will link to it in the show notes. Noco
Emily:cookie cakes.
Heidi:Highly recommend. I did see though today, I don't know
Heidi:if you saw this, she hurt her hand.
Emily:Oh no.
Heidi:She hasn't been able to decorate her case.
Emily:No, I haven't seen that. What a tragedy.
Heidi:I know. So everyone's a bit concerned. Hopefully Noco
Heidi:can continue.
Emily:Yes, please. I'll have to check in on that. What are you
Emily:giving extra credit to, Heidi?
Heidi:Well, I'm giving extra credit to the picture book A
Heidi:Fall Day for Bear by Bonnie Becker. I love these bear books
Heidi:so much. It's about like a grumpy, surly just want to be on
Heidi:his own, introvert, bear and a peppy, extroverted mouse who
Heidi:adopts him as his best friend.
Emily:Against as well.
Heidi:Yeah, so they have all kinds of hijinks together. Yeah,
Heidi:a fall picture book is always a win. And then this is just so
Heidi:cute. And this one, though, it's a bit of a role reversal,
Heidi:because mouse is having a really bad day, and so bear has to step
Heidi:up to cheer him up. So it's very sweet. It's a perfect book for
Heidi:fall. I know we did some vocabulary for Christmas for
Heidi:Bear and Mouse. I think we have a vocabulary resource.
Emily:Yes.
Heidi:So if you have not met bear and mouse, this is the
Heidi:moment you need to jump on that.
Emily:Yeah, and I did not know about this new book, so I'm
Emily:excited to check it out.
Heidi:It's very cute.
Heidi:That is it for today's episode. Remember, work refusal is
Heidi:communication. Your job isn't to force compliance. It's to figure
Heidi:out what your students need and to help them get there.
Emily:Try our strategies for handling work refusal with
Emily:curiosity instead of frustration. And don't forget
Emily:our Teacher Approved tip for creating a prevention checklist
Emily:during lesson planning.
Heidi:We hope you enjoyed this episode of teacher approved. I'm
Heidi:Heidi.
Emily:And I'm Emily. Thank you for listening. Be sure to follow
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Heidi:Bye for now.
Emily:Bye.