1 00:03:04,568 --> 00:03:05,318 Hi D., 2 00:03:05,848 --> 00:03:09,618 thank you for coming on It's Astrological. 3 00:03:09,745 --> 00:03:13,695 You're one of my first guests that I'm interviewing and I'm so excited about it. 4 00:03:13,695 --> 00:03:14,895 I'm so grateful to you. 5 00:03:15,055 --> 00:03:21,791 So a little background for everybody, we met through a shared intuitive 6 00:03:21,791 --> 00:03:28,921 business group, and you said something about starting an astrology business. 7 00:03:29,371 --> 00:03:35,041 And I was like, I'm going to be brave and be like, Hey, me too. 8 00:03:36,001 --> 00:03:38,759 And we just hit it off from there. 9 00:03:38,778 --> 00:03:45,468 And we're kind of on a similar journey about having a day employment place, but 10 00:03:45,483 --> 00:03:51,393 also having this passion for astrology and all things, I guess, kind of self 11 00:03:51,393 --> 00:03:53,763 care and learning about ourselves. 12 00:03:53,763 --> 00:03:57,643 And I've been super grateful to really consider you like my only colleague 13 00:03:57,643 --> 00:03:59,623 in this adventure that I'm on. 14 00:03:59,673 --> 00:04:02,463 So we've never met in person. 15 00:04:02,943 --> 00:04:06,183 We've probably talked less than 10 times, but that's changing 16 00:04:06,183 --> 00:04:08,103 because now we talk all the time. 17 00:04:08,608 --> 00:04:14,983 And I absolutely love what you do and what you offer to the world. 18 00:04:15,293 --> 00:04:19,913 Before we dive into all things astrological, can you share a little bit 19 00:04:19,973 --> 00:04:26,853 about what a self-help witch is, what a self-awareness advocate is and how 20 00:04:26,853 --> 00:04:28,663 you share those gifts with the world? 21 00:04:28,913 --> 00:04:29,643 Yes. 22 00:04:29,998 --> 00:04:32,123 first thanks for having me. 23 00:04:32,753 --> 00:04:34,768 Very excited to be here with you. 24 00:04:34,997 --> 00:04:40,507 yeah a self-help witch ,great question, this term kind came to me 25 00:04:40,507 --> 00:04:46,917 after maybe like a year of thinking about how I wanted to present myself 26 00:04:47,034 --> 00:04:49,824 and my astrological offerings. 27 00:04:49,924 --> 00:04:55,624 Because what astrology did for me was it really reconnected me with the truth of 28 00:04:55,624 --> 00:05:01,264 who I am and also with my spirituality which was not something I was looking for. 29 00:05:01,594 --> 00:05:05,732 So it really kind of came out of nowhere for me that something that was 30 00:05:05,732 --> 00:05:08,832 missing for me was a spiritual life. 31 00:05:08,843 --> 00:05:12,363 And for me, that just means, it's synonomous with self-help. 32 00:05:12,383 --> 00:05:15,833 And So that's why self-help witch, it's actually almost kind of redundant 33 00:05:15,833 --> 00:05:20,963 because to me self-help and spirituality, which is, like, really what witch 34 00:05:20,993 --> 00:05:23,713 stands for to me are the same. 35 00:05:23,860 --> 00:05:25,960 That they're both about remembering your truth. 36 00:05:26,315 --> 00:05:30,540 and I know when we think of spirituality at least for me, and if anybody else out 37 00:05:30,540 --> 00:05:36,883 there grew up in a big box, religious community, if you want to call it that, 38 00:05:36,942 --> 00:05:41,712 it can be hard to identify with religion and spirituality because we didn't have 39 00:05:41,712 --> 00:05:48,639 great experiences but I'm here to say that not only is self-help work, helping 40 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:51,369 you reclaim your life for yourself. 41 00:05:51,369 --> 00:05:53,199 It's helping you reclaim your spirit. 42 00:05:53,229 --> 00:05:57,219 It's like that part of you that is here, that goes beyond the 43 00:05:57,219 --> 00:05:58,899 mundane day-to-day stuff. 44 00:05:58,999 --> 00:06:02,389 And when you do your self help work, like you're empowering yourself 45 00:06:02,719 --> 00:06:04,314 and empowering other people. 46 00:06:04,344 --> 00:06:09,069 Because I really believe that your self help work is really about humanity. 47 00:06:09,219 --> 00:06:12,189 Like, it's about making the world a better place by being 48 00:06:12,189 --> 00:06:13,749 the best version of yourself. 49 00:06:13,749 --> 00:06:19,089 So I just feel like self-help work is alchemizing, and that it 50 00:06:19,089 --> 00:06:21,789 is really a spiritual practice. 51 00:06:21,869 --> 00:06:22,619 I love that. 52 00:06:22,649 --> 00:06:28,959 And I think when we think about, witches we think spells and magic and alchemy, 53 00:06:29,349 --> 00:06:35,306 so how did you connect the dots there between doing all of that and astrology? 54 00:06:36,169 --> 00:06:41,649 I was learning about witchcraft and part of my, a big part, really of my self-help 55 00:06:41,884 --> 00:06:46,269 journey has been, and self-awareness journey, i guess i'll call it, is, like 56 00:06:46,269 --> 00:06:51,164 knowing what I want,, finding clarity, finding a way to figure out what want. 57 00:06:51,674 --> 00:06:56,917 And as I was spell work, I was realizing that, you really can't do 58 00:06:56,917 --> 00:06:58,354 a spell without a clear intention. 59 00:06:59,304 --> 00:07:03,304 So in that moment, I saw the synergy that we were just talking about. 60 00:07:03,304 --> 00:07:08,303 About how my self-help work, the work I do on myself, it does everything. 61 00:07:08,333 --> 00:07:11,779 Like it's helping me clarify my intentions and how can I cast a 62 00:07:11,819 --> 00:07:13,439 spell without knowing what I want? 63 00:07:13,489 --> 00:07:15,719 How can I live a happy life without knowing what I want? 64 00:07:15,999 --> 00:07:17,629 How can I live a meaningful life? 65 00:07:17,659 --> 00:07:19,129 Like, let's go beyond happy. 66 00:07:19,309 --> 00:07:21,309 What's a purposeful life to me? 67 00:07:21,529 --> 00:07:22,069 you know? 68 00:07:22,139 --> 00:07:25,799 So that's the spiritual component, you know, it goes beyond, like, worldly 69 00:07:25,819 --> 00:07:29,693 accomplishments, which matter to me, like, don't get me wrong, but it's 70 00:07:29,903 --> 00:07:31,823 about a deeper level of fulfillment. 71 00:07:32,133 --> 00:07:35,073 So that was kind of the way in, is just recognizing, like, if I don't 72 00:07:35,073 --> 00:07:38,763 know what I want, I cannot have an intention and I cannot cast a spell. 73 00:07:38,823 --> 00:07:40,053 So where's my power? 74 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:43,598 My power was gone without that clarity, without that knowledge. 75 00:07:44,321 --> 00:07:47,448 And then astrology was kind of your gateway into being 76 00:07:47,448 --> 00:07:49,884 like, oh, this is who I am. 77 00:07:50,852 --> 00:07:53,282 Well, you know, it started with tarot for me actually. 78 00:07:53,322 --> 00:07:57,422 I knew about my birth chart, probably, like, in 2017 was 79 00:07:57,422 --> 00:07:58,762 the first time ever saw it. 80 00:07:59,092 --> 00:08:01,712 And it didn't really stick with me at that time. 81 00:08:01,792 --> 00:08:06,472 But it was from a friend who also does tarot and she would read tarot 82 00:08:06,492 --> 00:08:08,052 for me any time we would hang out. 83 00:08:08,305 --> 00:08:13,095 So, fast forward two years and I was feeling really lost. 84 00:08:13,265 --> 00:08:16,615 Like, probably the most lost I've ever felt. 85 00:08:16,675 --> 00:08:21,025 And I just remembered tarot and I, for some reason astrology 86 00:08:21,025 --> 00:08:22,625 just felt, like, out of reach. 87 00:08:22,645 --> 00:08:23,965 Like it felt too technical. 88 00:08:24,055 --> 00:08:29,385 It felt like, I just didn't think that it would help me as quickly tarot might. 89 00:08:29,965 --> 00:08:35,210 You know, when I got into tarot, I liked it but I also was like, I'm not sure if 90 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,460 what I'm getting from this is me, or a projection, or is it really my guides? 91 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,510 Like, I didn't, my, my practice was so new that I was like, I feel like I 92 00:08:44,510 --> 00:08:48,170 need something a little more objective and concrete right now, actually. 93 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:52,040 So from there I was like, okay, let me look at my birth chart. 94 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,330 And then it was like game over. 95 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,260 You were down the rabbit hole! 96 00:08:57,610 --> 00:09:02,710 So how do you offer your astrological gifts to the world? 97 00:09:02,710 --> 00:09:06,567 I know you have your podcast, Self-Help Witch, and what else? 98 00:09:06,567 --> 00:09:07,304 Tell us everything. 99 00:09:07,645 --> 00:09:11,215 Well, right now I'm offering cosmic mirror birth chart readings, 100 00:09:11,215 --> 00:09:13,375 which are birth chart readings. 101 00:09:13,455 --> 00:09:17,325 And I try to articulate it in such a way that it's like, really 102 00:09:17,325 --> 00:09:20,475 what I'm about with astrology is helping people see themselves. 103 00:09:20,475 --> 00:09:22,545 I feel like mirror is such a good symbol for it. 104 00:09:22,935 --> 00:09:26,065 It's just like, here is the truth of who you are. 105 00:09:26,785 --> 00:09:32,335 And, you know, I hesitate to even say it like that, because I don't believe 106 00:09:32,335 --> 00:09:35,905 that I'm telling anybody something about themselves that they don't already know. 107 00:09:36,265 --> 00:09:40,915 I'm just translating what's here and by you, or whoever, you know, the 108 00:09:40,915 --> 00:09:45,235 reading is for hearing me explain it, something is clicking for you. 109 00:09:45,465 --> 00:09:48,465 So, I'm not really doing anything except translating, that's sort 110 00:09:48,465 --> 00:09:49,945 of how I look at what I'm doing. 111 00:09:49,975 --> 00:09:54,025 But I care very much about this process because this was 112 00:09:54,055 --> 00:09:55,205 something that I went through. 113 00:09:55,455 --> 00:09:58,341 So for me, I'm pretty new to astrology, you know what I mean? 114 00:09:58,341 --> 00:10:02,468 Like I'm still learning, but I think my strength is that I have 115 00:10:02,488 --> 00:10:05,046 been through this myself you know? 116 00:10:05,341 --> 00:10:09,181 I've been through this journey of rediscovery and reconnecting to 117 00:10:09,181 --> 00:10:12,461 who I am, so I know how hard it is and I know how lonely it is. 118 00:10:12,461 --> 00:10:17,941 So that's who I'm here to help, the people that are trying to reclaim this part of 119 00:10:17,941 --> 00:10:21,211 themselves that they recognize is there, but they can't quite articulate it. 120 00:10:21,491 --> 00:10:27,541 I was actually surprised when I read your info about how new you are to astrology. 121 00:10:27,591 --> 00:10:31,839 I was like she's only been doing this for a few years, and, she's so advanced! 122 00:10:31,859 --> 00:10:34,966 Really done your homework and obviously it resonates with you, right? 123 00:10:34,966 --> 00:10:37,592 I think that's what's so important because like you said, I always tell 124 00:10:37,592 --> 00:10:41,562 people when you look at a birth chart and you're, like, okay, it's a bunch 125 00:10:41,587 --> 00:10:46,507 of squiggles and pizza slices and like how do you make sense of any of this? 126 00:10:46,567 --> 00:10:50,217 Right?, And that's, to your point, our job as the translators right? 127 00:10:50,217 --> 00:10:52,467 Like we're the interpreters of the cosmos. 128 00:10:52,827 --> 00:10:55,897 But I guess, at the very beginning, the things that we 129 00:10:55,897 --> 00:10:57,828 learn are our big three, right? 130 00:10:57,828 --> 00:10:59,608 Most people know what their sun sign is. 131 00:10:59,828 --> 00:11:02,082 And then like people are, like, what's your rising sign? 132 00:11:02,082 --> 00:11:03,012 And you're like, oh, there's more? 133 00:11:03,382 --> 00:11:06,852 And then, you know, you have your moon sign and a Mars sign and a venus sign. 134 00:11:06,852 --> 00:11:10,628 So, since It's Astrological, what are your big three? 135 00:11:10,658 --> 00:11:12,031 What's your sun, moon, and rising? 136 00:11:12,478 --> 00:11:17,248 I am a pisces sun, a Gemini moon, and a Libra rising. 137 00:11:18,613 --> 00:11:22,363 And how do you feel about they resonate with you? 138 00:11:22,393 --> 00:11:23,473 Do they not? 139 00:11:23,473 --> 00:11:25,267 Are you still learning about them? 140 00:11:25,633 --> 00:11:30,633 You know, it's interesting because I always knew about astrology, you know, 141 00:11:30,633 --> 00:11:36,383 like, from cosmo girl and I knew I was a Pisces sun, but I didn't ever really 142 00:11:36,383 --> 00:11:42,533 feel like that dreamer, hippie girl that Pisces are always depicted to be. 143 00:11:43,013 --> 00:11:44,893 So I just never really vibed with it. 144 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:50,723 And then when I learned about my rising sign, I was, like, okay, that's me. 145 00:11:51,053 --> 00:11:54,787 And I, like I told you, I was learning about my rising sign 146 00:11:54,877 --> 00:11:57,957 as I was already going through this self-awareness journey. 147 00:11:57,957 --> 00:12:03,327 So, because I had that lens, I was like, oh, I don't resonate with my 148 00:12:03,327 --> 00:12:07,367 pisces sun because I've been in the shadow of Libra and people pleasing. 149 00:12:07,427 --> 00:12:11,007 And I have no idea who I am , so, I was like, wow. 150 00:12:11,007 --> 00:12:13,807 Like it gave me really deep insight really quickly. 151 00:12:14,107 --> 00:12:16,762 Then as far my Gemini moon, I definitely vibe. 152 00:12:17,002 --> 00:12:20,857 It's interesting because most of my closest friends are Geminis. 153 00:12:20,872 --> 00:12:23,862 So I thought that was kind of funny, when I realized that. 154 00:12:24,172 --> 00:12:26,662 And I'm incredibly curious. 155 00:12:26,752 --> 00:12:31,432 I love to talk, definitely my love language is talking, which like it's 156 00:12:31,432 --> 00:12:34,492 words of affirmation, but mine's talking like just talking forever. 157 00:12:34,622 --> 00:12:38,612 So since you are an astrologer I'll ask you kind of a bonus question. 158 00:12:38,912 --> 00:12:42,912 What is your one liner about what the sun is, what the rising 159 00:12:42,912 --> 00:12:44,882 sign is, and what the moon is? 160 00:12:45,617 --> 00:12:46,037 okay. 161 00:12:46,037 --> 00:12:49,667 Well, I don't have any one-liners because I'm, I 162 00:12:49,696 --> 00:12:51,532 okay Like, yeah, your Gemini moon 163 00:12:52,152 --> 00:12:53,852 gonna be a lot of words 164 00:12:53,877 --> 00:12:55,002 What's your summary? 165 00:12:56,952 --> 00:12:59,582 Um, yeah, less than 400 words, please. 166 00:13:01,302 --> 00:13:05,682 So I always like to think about what the sun and the moon do. 167 00:13:05,682 --> 00:13:09,582 That they're two luminaries and that the moon reflects light of the sun. 168 00:13:09,732 --> 00:13:14,172 So I think of the sun as the spirit, that can't die, you know 169 00:13:14,172 --> 00:13:16,812 that part of you that is eternal. 170 00:13:17,322 --> 00:13:20,202 And I think of the moon as all things embodied. 171 00:13:20,202 --> 00:13:25,299 And that our spirit, the sun, illuminates us through the moon so 172 00:13:25,316 --> 00:13:28,816 that we, we kind of see how like the sun and the work together in that way. 173 00:13:29,246 --> 00:13:32,289 I think that's really helpful instead of thinking about them, opposite, 174 00:13:32,593 --> 00:13:33,902 not opposite, but just separately. 175 00:13:34,156 --> 00:13:37,606 And then the rising sign to me is like the filter through which you see the world. 176 00:13:37,699 --> 00:13:41,269 I actually was reading about it recently and someone described it as like the 177 00:13:41,269 --> 00:13:46,699 key that like, if your life was a song, it'd be like the key of the song, which 178 00:13:46,699 --> 00:13:48,249 I was like, yeah, that lot of sense. 179 00:13:48,819 --> 00:13:49,959 That's interesting. 180 00:13:50,090 --> 00:13:50,900 That was so short. 181 00:13:50,930 --> 00:13:51,740 I'm so proud of you. 182 00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:52,410 Thank you. 183 00:13:52,770 --> 00:13:53,530 It was a feat!. 184 00:13:55,318 --> 00:13:58,943 I also saw something recently, because the rising sign is often 185 00:13:58,943 --> 00:14:02,103 like, "the mask you show to the world", or like your appearance. 186 00:14:02,103 --> 00:14:04,540 And I think sometimes it does show up way. 187 00:14:04,619 --> 00:14:08,606 And there, are probably, similarities between physical appearances if you 188 00:14:08,606 --> 00:14:10,513 did, like, a study of a million people. 189 00:14:10,523 --> 00:14:13,930 But one of my favorite astrologers, Gemini Brett said "your rising 190 00:14:13,930 --> 00:14:15,370 sign is what's rising in you." 191 00:14:15,596 --> 00:14:20,296 And so I think that kind of taking a different perspective yes, the sun and 192 00:14:20,296 --> 00:14:25,050 the rising together make up who you are, like your most authentic self. 193 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:29,373 But I think, like you, I also didn't relate to my sun 194 00:14:29,373 --> 00:14:30,873 sign for a really long time. 195 00:14:31,113 --> 00:14:34,843 And, we grow into our charts over the course of our whole life. 196 00:14:34,843 --> 00:14:37,933 And that's part of our journey of understanding ourselves and 197 00:14:37,933 --> 00:14:40,393 self-awareness and all of those things that you were talking about. 198 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:45,120 But being able to grab on to either your sun or your rising, I think 199 00:14:45,185 --> 00:14:48,480 almost gives you the foundation to be able start working with the other one 200 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,135 and be like, what is this part of me? 201 00:14:50,505 --> 00:14:51,865 Why don't I resonate with that? 202 00:14:51,915 --> 00:14:54,665 And maybe even exploring it beyond the five keywords that 203 00:14:54,665 --> 00:14:56,175 you get in a Google search. 204 00:14:56,225 --> 00:14:57,005 Totally. 205 00:14:57,115 --> 00:15:00,855 I feel like, you're right, you know, you've gotta to have something else, like, 206 00:15:00,855 --> 00:15:05,245 if the sun sign doesn't resonate, you need something else to think about to say, all 207 00:15:05,245 --> 00:15:07,418 right, well then what's taking its place? 208 00:15:07,418 --> 00:15:09,938 You know, like what energy is taking its place. 209 00:15:10,128 --> 00:15:10,823 yeah that's a great point 210 00:15:11,362 --> 00:15:14,692 you know one of the questions I asked you is, is there anything about astrology that 211 00:15:14,692 --> 00:15:16,372 gives you pause or makes you skeptical? 212 00:15:16,372 --> 00:15:19,572 And when we think about astrology skeptics one of the first arguments, is "well, 213 00:15:19,572 --> 00:15:23,622 there are only 12 signs and not everyone can have the same characteristics 214 00:15:23,642 --> 00:15:25,382 as one 12th of the population. 215 00:15:25,882 --> 00:15:31,121 Great, you're a skeptic, you clearly don't know much about astrology, but, as someone 216 00:15:31,121 --> 00:15:36,512 who has studied her own chart and has astrology extensively, what's your take on 217 00:15:36,702 --> 00:15:40,242 maybe any moments where you've had a dark night of the soul around, is this real? 218 00:15:40,242 --> 00:15:41,252 does this make sense? 219 00:15:41,302 --> 00:15:42,682 When it comes to astrology? 220 00:15:42,927 --> 00:15:43,397 Yeah. 221 00:15:43,942 --> 00:15:47,697 Well, you know, right now I'm going through a Neptune transit so Neptune's 222 00:15:47,697 --> 00:15:49,937 conjunct my sun and it will be 223 00:15:49,937 --> 00:15:50,037 And 224 00:15:50,037 --> 00:15:50,862 what that mean? 225 00:15:51,477 --> 00:15:54,877 so neptune is in the same place in sky as my natal sun. 226 00:15:54,877 --> 00:15:55,927 So my natal sun's 227 00:15:55,947 --> 00:16:01,407 at 23 Pisces and Neptune's been like 22, 23 Pisces for a minute now. 228 00:16:01,737 --> 00:16:03,817 Um, I think it might be at 23 right now. 229 00:16:04,137 --> 00:16:11,777 So, what that looks like for somebody is like Neptune is disillusion 230 00:16:11,917 --> 00:16:17,037 and, fogginess, and it's like a really mixed bag, the way I see it. 231 00:16:17,037 --> 00:16:23,777 It can be a spiritual transcendent healing experience, or it can be confusing and 232 00:16:23,837 --> 00:16:30,557 delusional you know and so, knowing that, I do have to, I feel like, I 233 00:16:30,557 --> 00:16:35,677 think a little bit harder about what I'm doing, because I'm like, I know 234 00:16:35,677 --> 00:16:39,367 I'm on like a spiritual roller coaster right now, basically with Neptune. 235 00:16:39,677 --> 00:16:44,987 And that probably has ushered in what is happening to me in my life with astrology. 236 00:16:45,977 --> 00:16:50,357 In the same breath, I don't feel like this is a fleeting hobby for me. 237 00:16:50,427 --> 00:16:55,907 This has totally opened up my world And as somebody with my, my Gemini 238 00:16:55,907 --> 00:16:58,892 moon's in my ninth house, which is like the house of astrology and I 239 00:16:58,892 --> 00:17:00,382 have two other planets there too. 240 00:17:00,412 --> 00:17:05,307 Like I just know that this is something that is gonna be with me for a while. 241 00:17:05,307 --> 00:17:12,127 So I just try to be a a mindful of my beliefs you know, like try to be a little 242 00:17:12,127 --> 00:17:16,147 more little skeptical and more discerning because with a lot of pisces placements, 243 00:17:16,147 --> 00:17:18,637 that could be a little tough for me. 244 00:17:18,667 --> 00:17:19,087 Um, 245 00:17:19,157 --> 00:17:21,677 Like, I get carried away with the ethers. 246 00:17:22,047 --> 00:17:22,767 Yes. 247 00:17:22,857 --> 00:17:23,307 Yeah. 248 00:17:23,337 --> 00:17:26,452 But other than that I'm not a skeptic of astrology at all. 249 00:17:26,522 --> 00:17:30,777 because I don't see it, Like one of the books that I've been, I start and 250 00:17:30,827 --> 00:17:35,897 stop books, like constantly, and one of the books I started and stopped, but I 251 00:17:35,897 --> 00:17:37,717 will finish at some point is called the 252 00:17:37,737 --> 00:17:40,487 Of course, we always finish the books 253 00:17:41,247 --> 00:17:41,567 it 254 00:17:41,567 --> 00:17:44,877 They may sit next to our bed for two years, but we will finish them. 255 00:17:44,982 --> 00:17:45,312 Right. 256 00:17:45,582 --> 00:17:49,212 Right this book is called The Moment of Astrology. 257 00:17:49,262 --> 00:17:53,262 He talks about what astrology is and what it's not. 258 00:17:53,262 --> 00:17:57,452 And like, the mistake the pitfall of trying to call it a science, because 259 00:17:57,452 --> 00:18:00,092 it's not, it's a divination practice. 260 00:18:00,122 --> 00:18:04,252 Like it's not a science the way that we've defined science. 261 00:18:04,472 --> 00:18:09,522 And so,, I guess what I'm saying is I don't really try to critique it because 262 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:16,802 I see it as it's own thing, that, like, just because we can't prove why something 263 00:18:16,822 --> 00:18:18,592 is true, doesn't mean that it's not true. 264 00:18:20,047 --> 00:18:24,567 And I think to immediately dismiss astrology because you can't prove it 265 00:18:25,007 --> 00:18:29,747 is very, like, it demonstrates a lot of hubris on the part human, because 266 00:18:29,847 --> 00:18:31,477 we , like we don't know that much. 267 00:18:31,701 --> 00:18:32,691 We just don't know. 268 00:18:33,471 --> 00:18:34,551 we just don't know. 269 00:18:34,937 --> 00:18:39,797 You know, my mentor, Rick Levine, he has like a million Aries placements. 270 00:18:39,797 --> 00:18:44,137 And so he's always ready to go in and you know, fight. 271 00:18:44,577 --> 00:18:49,907 Um, I think it was on the astrology hub podcast. 272 00:18:49,967 --> 00:18:55,127 And, he was talking about some astronomer who was going on on Twitter about how 273 00:18:55,127 --> 00:19:00,117 astrology is fake and all that stuff and one his, like, first comebacks to 274 00:19:00,117 --> 00:19:04,577 people who are skeptical of astrology is to say, like, I also don't believe 275 00:19:04,577 --> 00:19:08,537 in astrology, meaning I don't believe in the astrology that you believe in 276 00:19:08,597 --> 00:19:12,557 that doesn't do all the things that it actually does because you don't, you 277 00:19:12,557 --> 00:19:15,157 haven't actually looked into astrology. 278 00:19:15,157 --> 00:19:17,337 You don't understand astrology, you haven't made the effort 279 00:19:17,727 --> 00:19:20,337 to see why it works. 280 00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:23,200 So I always think that's really interesting with anything that 281 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:27,017 people are coming to with an opinion without, background information. 282 00:19:27,017 --> 00:19:31,497 It's like, oh, I don't believe in what you believe in either. 283 00:19:32,487 --> 00:19:34,460 That doesn't, that doesn't exist to me. 284 00:19:35,390 --> 00:19:35,860 Yeah. 285 00:19:36,210 --> 00:19:37,040 Yeah, I love that. 286 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:41,534 Let's pull up your chart. 287 00:19:41,784 --> 00:19:42,204 Okay. 288 00:19:42,303 --> 00:19:45,573 I pulled it up to look at your Neptune transit. 289 00:19:45,653 --> 00:19:47,133 There There she blows. 290 00:19:47,173 --> 00:19:47,233 Yeah. 291 00:19:47,233 --> 00:19:48,483 Right on your sun. 292 00:19:48,993 --> 00:19:51,243 So that's exciting for you 293 00:19:51,463 --> 00:19:54,303 Lots of things are happening. 294 00:19:54,303 --> 00:19:54,673 Yup. 295 00:19:54,733 --> 00:19:55,873 I believe it! 296 00:19:56,136 --> 00:19:59,226 It's easy talk to you about all of things and just like rattle off 297 00:19:59,226 --> 00:20:00,766 like, oh, Neptune conjunct your sun. 298 00:20:01,211 --> 00:20:03,149 But this podcast is for everybody. 299 00:20:03,389 --> 00:20:07,709 So I think when we're talking in general about any of these outer 300 00:20:07,709 --> 00:20:13,569 planets the Neptunes , Uranus, the pluto, what's your take on when you 301 00:20:13,569 --> 00:20:18,789 have a transit by one of these outer planets to a specific place in your 302 00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:23,331 natal chart and how would you say that's different than a mercury or a Venus? 303 00:20:24,636 --> 00:20:26,076 oh, that's a great question. 304 00:20:26,586 --> 00:20:33,396 So I'll say this, I don't track the daily transits very closely because I found for 305 00:20:33,396 --> 00:20:39,486 me personally that creates unnecessary anxiety sometimes, but I do still have 306 00:20:39,486 --> 00:20:41,736 like a general idea of what's going on. 307 00:20:41,786 --> 00:20:45,006 And I do try to reflect on stuff after it's happened. 308 00:20:45,006 --> 00:20:47,056 That's really when prefer to think about the transits. 309 00:20:47,076 --> 00:20:48,396 So that's the first thing I'll say. 310 00:20:48,796 --> 00:20:52,426 But as far as like noticing a difference, you know, if it's 311 00:20:52,516 --> 00:20:54,216 anything but a conjunction. 312 00:20:54,536 --> 00:20:55,126 That's a lie. 313 00:20:55,156 --> 00:21:01,946 I'll say if it's a conjunction or an opposition you're gonna notice it. 314 00:21:02,016 --> 00:21:06,186 That's been my experience, the other, aspects. 315 00:21:06,276 --> 00:21:12,046 I personally don't notice most of the time unless I like stop and think about it. 316 00:21:12,346 --> 00:21:18,523 But for me, in 2021, when was it 20, It was 20 20 I think when 317 00:21:18,883 --> 00:21:24,783 Saturn and pluto conjoined, that was during my saturn return And I 318 00:21:24,833 --> 00:21:29,443 definitely felt that like, that was a very powerful moment in my life. 319 00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:33,673 And without like having done a lot of research on other times, things 320 00:21:33,673 --> 00:21:38,563 like that have happened, I would say generally speaking, like you're going 321 00:21:38,563 --> 00:21:42,493 to notice transits from those planets, regardless of if they're inner or outer. 322 00:21:42,575 --> 00:21:45,425 I just pulled this up for january of 2020. 323 00:21:45,425 --> 00:21:50,595 And I think the really interesting question for everyone to look at in 324 00:21:50,595 --> 00:21:54,475 terms of what was going on in their personal chart, because you know, we 325 00:21:54,475 --> 00:21:59,647 saw this huge global shift, right, because of, what was happening in 326 00:21:59,647 --> 00:22:01,897 Capricorn with Saturn and Pluto. 327 00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:04,043 and then Jupiter was thrown into the mix. 328 00:22:04,073 --> 00:22:09,163 And obviously we saw that playing out on the world stage, but as you talk to 329 00:22:09,163 --> 00:22:12,203 people, and I'm sure you experienced this with yourself, which you just talked 330 00:22:12,203 --> 00:22:17,253 about, and clients, it's interesting to see what else was going on for people in 331 00:22:17,253 --> 00:22:19,173 their personal charts during that time. 332 00:22:19,883 --> 00:22:22,443 Yes astrology can tell you about what's happening in the 333 00:22:22,443 --> 00:22:24,153 world, outside your window. 334 00:22:24,403 --> 00:22:27,283 But everything that happens in the world happened somewhere 335 00:22:27,283 --> 00:22:28,543 in our natal chart, too. 336 00:22:28,793 --> 00:22:33,443 So for anyone listening, you know, like paying attention to your Capricorn house, 337 00:22:33,443 --> 00:22:38,993 because that was the area of your life that this all would have kicked off on. 338 00:22:39,413 --> 00:22:43,723 And then if you have any planets in that house, which you have three, 339 00:22:44,843 --> 00:22:50,213 so that's an extra bonus of kind of the impact that you feel from, 340 00:22:50,393 --> 00:22:52,193 from this massive transformation. 341 00:22:52,523 --> 00:22:55,463 And to have it happening near your Saturn return. 342 00:22:55,523 --> 00:22:56,063 Like 343 00:22:56,683 --> 00:22:58,703 wowza, that's a lot. 344 00:22:59,028 --> 00:23:02,148 I mean, this was the awakening, like this was the start of it. 345 00:23:02,278 --> 00:23:04,338 So you can see it for sure. 346 00:23:04,763 --> 00:23:05,243 Yeah. 347 00:23:05,633 --> 00:23:09,683 And was this around the time that you like, felt your rock bottom 348 00:23:09,683 --> 00:23:12,163 or like were tarot, astrology? 349 00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:13,083 Is this all kind of 350 00:23:13,503 --> 00:23:16,713 so, this actually started all of that. 351 00:23:16,763 --> 00:23:21,623 In december, basically three days before the chart that we're looking at, I 352 00:23:21,623 --> 00:23:26,588 decided to stop drinking, which was, like, never something I would have even 353 00:23:26,588 --> 00:23:31,848 considered doing prior to this day but I kind of had a come to Jesus moment 354 00:23:31,868 --> 00:23:36,228 where i, blacked out and it was really scary and that was like something I'd 355 00:23:36,228 --> 00:23:39,048 done before, but there was something really different about this time. 356 00:23:39,408 --> 00:23:42,658 Honestly, I chalk it up to the astrology, like, Pluto was there 357 00:23:42,918 --> 00:23:44,358 and I felt like I almost died. 358 00:23:44,478 --> 00:23:46,488 Like, so it scared me. 359 00:23:46,548 --> 00:23:51,478 And I decided to stop, even though I was like kind of hesitant and that, is what 360 00:23:51,478 --> 00:23:56,458 propelled me to keep going on my wellness journey because I found that like, it 361 00:23:56,458 --> 00:23:58,228 was actually easy for me to not drink. 362 00:23:58,258 --> 00:24:01,148 And that was really surprising to me, but it also gave me a lot of 363 00:24:01,148 --> 00:24:06,778 like, courage and hope that I can feel happy because I kind of had 364 00:24:06,778 --> 00:24:09,568 this low grade sadness all the time. 365 00:24:09,868 --> 00:24:12,088 And I never really knew what to do with it. 366 00:24:12,088 --> 00:24:12,698 I thought I was. 367 00:24:12,698 --> 00:24:16,653 just, like there was something wrong with me that I was just 368 00:24:16,663 --> 00:24:17,953 going to feel this way, you know? 369 00:24:18,538 --> 00:24:21,453 When I stopped drinking and that feeling kind of subsided I was like, 370 00:24:21,523 --> 00:24:27,066 oh no, actually it was like, I was drinking a depressant those days, which, 371 00:24:27,066 --> 00:24:30,776 like no shade, if anybody out there drinks, like, honestly, like, please 372 00:24:30,776 --> 00:24:32,546 make your own decisions, you know? 373 00:24:32,906 --> 00:24:36,876 But that was just, my insight was like, okay, that was a big 374 00:24:36,876 --> 00:24:38,336 reason why I felt the way I felt. 375 00:24:38,396 --> 00:24:42,116 And I would later realize it was also because I didn't know who I was. 376 00:24:42,416 --> 00:24:44,726 So that's kind of how it all started. 377 00:24:44,806 --> 00:24:47,556 Well, and I think just looking at your chart, this all happened in your 378 00:24:47,586 --> 00:24:53,916 fourth house, which to me, you know, the topline is, home and family, but really 379 00:24:53,916 --> 00:24:58,636 if we're looking at it, in the scope of the sun rising and the sun setting, 380 00:24:58,666 --> 00:25:00,526 this is the darkest part of our chart. 381 00:25:00,526 --> 00:25:02,296 It's the most tender part of our chart. 382 00:25:02,326 --> 00:25:08,078 It's we our secrets and, like for all of this be happening 383 00:25:08,078 --> 00:25:11,068 there, it's not only a rebirth. 384 00:25:11,068 --> 00:25:12,576 I think that was the word that you used. 385 00:25:12,666 --> 00:25:13,536 No, awakening. 386 00:25:13,908 --> 00:25:15,408 Kind of the same thing, I guess 387 00:25:15,956 --> 00:25:21,493 But it's not only an awakening of, kind of the Saturn return responsibility. 388 00:25:21,523 --> 00:25:22,603 What am I doing? 389 00:25:22,693 --> 00:25:24,043 Am I a grownup now? 390 00:25:24,073 --> 00:25:26,173 Like, how am I going to move forward with that? 391 00:25:26,623 --> 00:25:33,783 But gosh, this transformation, like in that most tender part of your chart, like 392 00:25:34,163 --> 00:25:39,433 in some ways a blessing because there's, there's literally you can go up from there 393 00:25:39,723 --> 00:25:39,783 Yeah 394 00:25:40,163 --> 00:25:44,096 You can only move forward and only move above the horizon. 395 00:25:44,576 --> 00:25:49,436 And by the time you come back down to that fourth house, you know if we're 396 00:25:49,456 --> 00:25:54,063 talking about, the timing technique of profections like just imagine 397 00:25:54,063 --> 00:25:58,773 how much you're going to learn over the course of the next nine years 398 00:25:58,983 --> 00:25:59,863 I have to do math. 399 00:26:01,053 --> 00:26:04,413 Um, the next, however many years until you're back in the fourth house. 400 00:26:04,633 --> 00:26:07,663 So next time back your Capricorn house. 401 00:26:07,713 --> 00:26:12,848 like, you'll, number one, be a totally different person but that part of 402 00:26:12,848 --> 00:26:14,408 yourself, that's like super tender. 403 00:26:14,408 --> 00:26:18,578 And that was previously maybe feeling a little exposed or that you 404 00:26:18,578 --> 00:26:20,258 hadn't really gotten in touch with. 405 00:26:20,468 --> 00:26:25,118 You're going to be able to actually work the magic of connecting to, your 406 00:26:25,118 --> 00:26:30,578 ancestry, your roots, like all the things that you were born into and kind 407 00:26:30,578 --> 00:26:32,671 of use that as a, what's that word? 408 00:26:33,771 --> 00:26:34,811 jumping off point 409 00:26:34,811 --> 00:26:41,278 Use that as a a jumping off point to just continue your, your 410 00:26:41,338 --> 00:26:43,188 self-growth and your self-awareness 411 00:26:43,758 --> 00:26:45,303 totally, totally. 412 00:26:45,783 --> 00:26:46,263 And, 413 00:26:46,533 --> 00:26:51,693 you know, looking at this chart when I started getting into astrology one of 414 00:26:51,693 --> 00:26:56,643 the things that really sold me because even like being pretty brand new, I could 415 00:26:56,643 --> 00:26:59,433 see this was pretty major, you know, 416 00:26:59,698 --> 00:27:00,358 Oh, my gosh. 417 00:27:00,358 --> 00:27:00,808 Yeah. 418 00:27:01,708 --> 00:27:06,628 Well, I mean, thing that out to me is your south node in 12th house, right? 419 00:27:06,658 --> 00:27:12,435 So, that, maybe comfort zone is the wrong word to use here. 420 00:27:12,875 --> 00:27:18,992 but the, the feeling of being comfortable with 12th house themes of addiction 421 00:27:19,022 --> 00:27:26,288 and escapism, and really leaning into, after your kind of awakening in the 422 00:27:26,288 --> 00:27:31,145 fourth house to your north node, to really turn that into a spiritual 423 00:27:31,385 --> 00:27:35,345 experience and to move forward to like, what would my higher self want? 424 00:27:35,345 --> 00:27:40,272 Like what do I need to do in order to become my highest self. 425 00:27:41,857 --> 00:27:46,027 Yeah, I definitely think that that was like key for me, understanding my 426 00:27:46,027 --> 00:27:52,057 Pisces placements in general is it's, it has a lot to with spirituality. 427 00:27:52,952 --> 00:27:56,612 And obviously I had to like accept that that was something I wanted first Cause 428 00:27:56,612 --> 00:27:58,850 I had a lot of hang-ups but, yeah. 429 00:27:59,785 --> 00:28:02,275 The south node in the 12th. 430 00:28:02,305 --> 00:28:07,110 I honestly haven't thought about a ton because it is a little elusive to me. 431 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,831 You know, when I see it, I think about anxiety, I think about feeling 432 00:28:11,831 --> 00:28:16,422 other and, like inherently, you know, like separate from people. 433 00:28:17,397 --> 00:28:19,737 and you know, what, the hard stuff in chart, it's kind of like, okay, 434 00:28:19,737 --> 00:28:20,757 well, what do I do with that? 435 00:28:20,787 --> 00:28:21,027 Like, 436 00:28:23,617 --> 00:28:25,957 Well and you don't deal with it until you have to deal with it. 437 00:28:25,957 --> 00:28:26,797 Most the time. 438 00:28:26,827 --> 00:28:27,127 Right. 439 00:28:27,127 --> 00:28:31,390 But I think that's why astrology kind of gives you, it allows you to 440 00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:38,072 collapse the timeline because you can do the work before that hard placement 441 00:28:38,072 --> 00:28:41,277 or challenging placement comes and smacks you across face in real life. 442 00:28:41,387 --> 00:28:42,007 Right. 443 00:28:42,407 --> 00:28:46,862 So you can kind of prepare And I think it's funny that you're saying your south 444 00:28:46,862 --> 00:28:50,776 node in the 12th eludes you because that's what it's meant to do there. 445 00:28:52,636 --> 00:28:55,396 It's like, literally just like hiding, like you can't see me. 446 00:28:55,756 --> 00:29:00,126 Um, but when we talk about the south node as well, like, it's your gifts. 447 00:29:00,126 --> 00:29:01,760 It's what comes naturally to you? 448 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,040 So yours is in Virgo. 449 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:03,920 Do you. 450 00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:07,629 identify with Virgo characteristics? 451 00:29:07,648 --> 00:29:10,458 like, do you feel comfortable with Virgo characteristics? 452 00:29:11,378 --> 00:29:17,550 You know, I don't., I, would say I currently identify a lot 453 00:29:17,550 --> 00:29:19,740 more with my Pisces placements. 454 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:25,300 and for me when I look at my 12th house, like the most prominent 455 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:26,980 Virgo in my life is my dad. 456 00:29:26,980 --> 00:29:32,070 And that's what I think about a lot when I think about my south node, and like the. 457 00:29:32,932 --> 00:29:37,432 The ways I was taught to be like the ways raised in like, you know that, I don't 458 00:29:37,432 --> 00:29:40,282 know if that's really about the 12th house, but it is like this subconscious 459 00:29:40,282 --> 00:29:42,772 belief of like, this is how you are. 460 00:29:42,772 --> 00:29:46,912 And I guess what I'm saying is I've had a hard time finding the gifts 461 00:29:46,942 --> 00:29:48,392 So I haven't really looked for them. 462 00:29:48,565 --> 00:29:55,048 Do you mind if I share ones, that I know from my, Virgo is the sign of the healer. 463 00:29:55,048 --> 00:29:59,403 And I think that that's one that gets overlooked constantly, because people 464 00:29:59,403 --> 00:30:05,488 just see structure and organization and detail oriented and all of that stuff. 465 00:30:05,518 --> 00:30:12,935 And I think kind of shifting perspective to Virgo being the sixth house stuff, 466 00:30:12,935 --> 00:30:14,735 the daily work and the routine. 467 00:30:14,845 --> 00:30:21,810 Like I find it to be, lost in that because when you like the image 468 00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:26,980 that comes to mind like when I go to Mexico, there are all of these women 469 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:32,500 who are in the bathroom, cleaning at the airport who are just so diligent. 470 00:30:32,530 --> 00:30:35,402 And, when I was just there a few months ago, the back of their 471 00:30:35,402 --> 00:30:38,852 shirt said something to the effect of like, cleaning is love. 472 00:30:39,242 --> 00:30:44,102 And, you know, Virgos are probably more aligned with cleaning than other signs. 473 00:30:45,542 --> 00:30:50,747 but it's that connection between, I don't know why this is coming to me, 474 00:30:50,747 --> 00:30:54,167 but cleanliness is next to godliness, but in like the most beautiful way, 475 00:30:54,167 --> 00:30:58,871 not the harsh, like do this, because you have to and your bed has have 476 00:30:58,871 --> 00:31:00,481 perfect hospital corners and of that. 477 00:31:00,481 --> 00:31:05,528 It's like, let me make this place beautiful and, clean and safe and 478 00:31:05,528 --> 00:31:09,467 secure and make sure that it stays that way, because this is my routine. 479 00:31:09,467 --> 00:31:13,219 This is my ritual almost, to serve, to heal. 480 00:31:13,711 --> 00:31:17,941 and I I got goosebumps. 481 00:31:18,061 --> 00:31:20,671 I've never, I don't think I've myself goosebumps before. 482 00:31:21,436 --> 00:31:22,236 That was good. 483 00:31:22,536 --> 00:31:22,986 worth it. 484 00:31:24,231 --> 00:31:26,516 but my mom is a Virgo and it's taken her. 485 00:31:27,671 --> 00:31:32,064 She's a Virgo sun, Aquarius rising but over the past five years, always been 486 00:31:32,084 --> 00:31:35,604 like I'm not a virgo, I'm not detail oriented, I'm not organized, so apparently 487 00:31:35,624 --> 00:31:40,954 we both have like parental Virgo stuff going over the past five years, I'm 488 00:31:40,954 --> 00:31:45,891 like, no, look at like, Virgo is so much more than just this little box. 489 00:31:46,611 --> 00:31:51,617 And I think just talking about how you see it as being elusive, , you 490 00:31:51,617 --> 00:31:53,297 can't quite connect to it. 491 00:31:53,517 --> 00:31:58,662 that may be a part of it well, it's just innate to you, to have that 492 00:31:58,662 --> 00:32:04,067 ability to heal, to serve others, to want to connect to others, in that way. 493 00:32:04,127 --> 00:32:06,557 So that something to chew on 494 00:32:07,727 --> 00:32:09,617 Yeah, no, I love that. 495 00:32:10,277 --> 00:32:14,937 I definitely feel like service is, like, part of what I'm here do based 496 00:32:14,937 --> 00:32:16,547 on other parts of my chart, too. 497 00:32:16,577 --> 00:32:18,317 So that definitely lands. 498 00:32:19,527 --> 00:32:24,657 Ooh, let's talk a little bit about, again, this is kind of a special 499 00:32:24,657 --> 00:32:26,217 question, because you're an astrologer. 500 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,580 but the conjunctions that you have, right? 501 00:32:29,580 --> 00:32:34,071 So in your natal let me pull that back up as much as much 502 00:32:34,087 --> 00:32:38,147 as we loved 2020, we don't to 503 00:32:38,147 --> 00:32:38,867 we can leave now. 504 00:32:38,867 --> 00:32:39,427 I'm good. 505 00:32:40,147 --> 00:32:40,567 Yes. 506 00:32:40,747 --> 00:32:42,927 Well we'll time time-travel back here. 507 00:32:44,057 --> 00:32:51,526 so you have a conjunction between Neptune and Saturn which I a million percent want 508 00:32:51,531 --> 00:32:55,081 hear your take and then Jupiter and Mars. 509 00:32:55,081 --> 00:32:58,866 Is another really close one And you didn't, I don't think you mentioned 510 00:32:58,866 --> 00:32:59,766 mercury and your north node. 511 00:32:59,766 --> 00:33:06,693 That's a bit, farther apart, but what is your take on conjunctions and how do you 512 00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:09,543 see these, like impacting who you are? 513 00:33:11,053 --> 00:33:15,613 well, I think conjunctions are really interesting think about 514 00:33:15,643 --> 00:33:23,983 because we see already how a planet is so multivalent in all of the 515 00:33:23,983 --> 00:33:26,233 dimensions it can express itself. 516 00:33:26,263 --> 00:33:30,423 Like one planet is already like, could be expressed in infinite ways. 517 00:33:30,883 --> 00:33:35,263 when you put two together, it becomes like literally infinite. 518 00:33:35,263 --> 00:33:37,483 Like you just could, can show up so many 519 00:33:37,513 --> 00:33:39,523 it's like infinity times infinity. 520 00:33:40,003 --> 00:33:43,573 Yeah Not a mathematician, but I think that's accurate. 521 00:33:45,673 --> 00:33:51,463 So I just find myself always kind of chewing on them, because also they 522 00:33:51,463 --> 00:33:54,433 will express themselves differently throughout your life as well. 523 00:33:54,433 --> 00:33:56,963 So, I just find them really interesting to think about. 524 00:33:57,748 --> 00:34:01,558 And then for me, I feel like mine are important. 525 00:34:01,648 --> 00:34:06,958 Because my conjunctions there's both, both of them have dignity, meaning 526 00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:09,328 Saturn is in its home sign of Capricorn. 527 00:34:09,328 --> 00:34:10,438 So it's very strong. 528 00:34:10,678 --> 00:34:16,604 Saturn's also my, main malefic because I was born at nighttime So, and it's 529 00:34:16,754 --> 00:34:18,104 in the nighttime part of the chart. 530 00:34:18,104 --> 00:34:21,584 So all of that to say, Saturn is very powerful and very like 531 00:34:21,814 --> 00:34:23,154 I'm here to mess your life up. 532 00:34:24,108 --> 00:34:28,408 So that has been important to think about because of course when you see 533 00:34:28,408 --> 00:34:32,648 something in your chart that seems bad, you want to kind of get to the bottom 534 00:34:32,648 --> 00:34:35,041 of it, and understand it more deeply. 535 00:34:35,648 --> 00:34:41,344 And far as my Jupiter, Mars conjunction goes, Jupiter is, in it's in 536 00:34:41,884 --> 00:34:43,129 detriment think it's in its detriment. 537 00:34:43,919 --> 00:34:44,429 I always look 538 00:34:44,484 --> 00:34:44,994 okay, good. 539 00:34:45,564 --> 00:34:46,164 Yeah, I don't either. 540 00:34:47,955 --> 00:34:49,305 Jupiter is not happy. 541 00:34:49,432 --> 00:34:53,102 Jupiter not having a good time in gemini and jupiter rules Pisces, 542 00:34:53,124 --> 00:34:55,824 which is where a lot of my planets are. 543 00:34:55,936 --> 00:35:00,426 And mercury is in a, like a rough conjunction, with my north node. 544 00:35:00,426 --> 00:35:02,896 and mercury also is its detriment and fall. 545 00:35:03,136 --> 00:35:08,796 So I have like dinged up planets ruling the the, houses and the signs that 546 00:35:08,796 --> 00:35:10,999 have all of my planets, essentially. 547 00:35:11,209 --> 00:35:16,612 And then Mars has like strength, but, or I'm sorry, Saturn has strength, but we 548 00:35:16,612 --> 00:35:18,442 don't really want saturn to have strength. 549 00:35:18,682 --> 00:35:22,722 So that's really been important for me for sit down and think, 550 00:35:22,722 --> 00:35:24,022 like, what does this really mean? 551 00:35:24,022 --> 00:35:27,572 Because I don't believe that like there's good and bad in your 552 00:35:27,622 --> 00:35:30,447 chart, It's all relative, right? 553 00:35:30,447 --> 00:35:34,097 What's good for you spiritually might feel really hard. 554 00:35:34,637 --> 00:35:36,717 Probably will feel really hard and vice versa. 555 00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:40,787 What's not great for you spiritually will probably seem great when you're doing it. 556 00:35:41,417 --> 00:35:46,757 So I've just had to really, it's been important for me to try to unpack how 557 00:35:46,757 --> 00:35:50,777 these things have shown up in my life so far so I can see how they've helped 558 00:35:50,777 --> 00:35:54,804 me, because the last thing my chart should do is make me feel disempowered 559 00:35:56,322 --> 00:35:59,128 was like, I...Speechless 560 00:36:01,098 --> 00:36:05,688 well, no, just that last thing you said, like, the last thing your chart 561 00:36:05,688 --> 00:36:08,138 should do is make you feel disempowered. 562 00:36:08,338 --> 00:36:12,629 I think this is such great example and obviously you know your chart better than 563 00:36:12,659 --> 00:36:14,899 the average Jill walking down the street. 564 00:36:15,312 --> 00:36:23,632 but I think that the message is that even if you have things that aren't great. 565 00:36:23,632 --> 00:36:23,842 Right. 566 00:36:23,842 --> 00:36:28,692 And everyone does, um, when you first start learning your chart, you're like, my 567 00:36:28,692 --> 00:36:33,412 sun's here, and it's in this sign and it's in this house, and my moon is here, and 568 00:36:33,412 --> 00:36:34,772 it's in this sign and it's in this house. 569 00:36:34,792 --> 00:36:37,512 And then you start learning, about the angles. 570 00:36:37,512 --> 00:36:40,182 and, like, maybe you a lot of squares in your chart, and 571 00:36:40,182 --> 00:36:41,502 those are super challenging. 572 00:36:41,682 --> 00:36:44,892 And you're like, oh, I don't want all those squares, like, 573 00:36:45,642 --> 00:36:47,052 please get me another chart. 574 00:36:47,502 --> 00:36:51,862 But like, as you start to learn whether your, you know, your sun, moon, rising 575 00:36:52,152 --> 00:36:56,062 or, your Venus is in Capricorn, or, you know, these things that people 576 00:36:56,062 --> 00:36:58,402 see as like quote unquote bad. 577 00:36:59,222 --> 00:37:04,902 I think it's very reassuring to know that the moment you took your first 578 00:37:04,902 --> 00:37:06,762 breath and your chart was imprinted. 579 00:37:07,272 --> 00:37:10,672 You were also given the ability to work with these energies. 580 00:37:10,672 --> 00:37:14,604 These energies are a part of you they are not something that one day 581 00:37:14,604 --> 00:37:18,894 you're going to open the door and be smacked in the face with a natal, 582 00:37:18,944 --> 00:37:20,747 what do you have, Jupiter square to the nodes. 583 00:37:21,077 --> 00:37:22,927 It's not going to be a surprise. 584 00:37:23,218 --> 00:37:28,017 . and again, the beauty of astrology is that you're getting a heads up about that. 585 00:37:28,017 --> 00:37:34,347 You're getting to exactly your point of being like, oh, this is not ideal. 586 00:37:34,527 --> 00:37:40,147 How has this expressed itself previously in my life And like, what tools do I have. 587 00:37:40,487 --> 00:37:44,397 Either in your chart or life experience or otherwise, to be to be 588 00:37:44,397 --> 00:37:48,902 able to work with these situations, but also to grow from them, right? 589 00:37:49,932 --> 00:37:50,382 Right. 590 00:37:50,952 --> 00:37:51,132 And 591 00:37:51,132 --> 00:37:55,027 that's how it's a spiritual practice because to me that's what spirituality is. 592 00:37:55,027 --> 00:37:59,087 It's that reflection that you were just describing like, that's how we give 593 00:37:59,087 --> 00:38:04,242 meaning to our lives, You know, I think that's like so powerful and that's 594 00:38:04,242 --> 00:38:06,492 really how you like talk about alchemy. 595 00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:07,767 Like that is alchemizing. 596 00:38:08,472 --> 00:38:08,982 Yeah. 597 00:38:09,642 --> 00:38:16,962 You're transmuting these things that at first glance are hard or "bad", you know, 598 00:38:16,962 --> 00:38:22,962 if we're talking about the olden days astrology malefics and fall and detriment 599 00:38:22,962 --> 00:38:25,032 and all of these like super scary words. 600 00:38:25,862 --> 00:38:35,159 and we now have the ability as astrologers in 2022 to really see the scope of the 601 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:42,779 entire human experience and view the fact that we have agency, we have choice. 602 00:38:43,102 --> 00:38:47,122 You're talking about Neptune conjuncting your sun and you know, this major 603 00:38:47,302 --> 00:38:53,392 transit and you have the the roadmap ahead of time to say okay, like I 604 00:38:53,392 --> 00:38:55,522 know this is going to be X, Y, and Z. 605 00:38:55,952 --> 00:38:59,962 I'll probably have some surprises I don't know exactly how Neptune's gonna engage 606 00:39:00,007 --> 00:39:05,272 with my sun at this point in in my life, But knowing when you feel you have rose 607 00:39:05,272 --> 00:39:09,172 colored glasses on, or you're getting a little too dreamy, or you need to come 608 00:39:09,172 --> 00:39:12,864 back down to earth, you have the tool of astrology in the back of your mind to 609 00:39:12,864 --> 00:39:15,419 to be like ah, that's Neptune on my sun. 610 00:39:15,699 --> 00:39:19,829 And like, I know that I can tap into another element or like find a place 611 00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:21,279 in my chart that will balance that out. 612 00:39:22,064 --> 00:39:22,724 totally. 613 00:39:22,754 --> 00:39:22,994 Yeah. 614 00:39:23,024 --> 00:39:28,134 Cause it does give you a solution too like, if know, it's Neptune, maybe 615 00:39:28,134 --> 00:39:29,999 you should ground a little bit, like 616 00:39:30,646 --> 00:39:34,816 well, and I was looking at your T-square, which can often be seen as a 617 00:39:34,816 --> 00:39:37,526 challenging aspect in someone's chart. 618 00:39:37,886 --> 00:39:41,846 for anyone that has it, it's also one of the most activating aspects, right. 619 00:39:41,846 --> 00:39:46,033 That moves you forward and enables you to actually, grow at kind a rapid 620 00:39:46,772 --> 00:39:48,722 speed to collapse those timelines. 621 00:39:49,132 --> 00:39:54,979 But for you, I'm just wondering, does your third house Sagittarius play into 622 00:39:54,979 --> 00:39:56,509 kind of balancing that out at all? 623 00:39:56,509 --> 00:39:57,829 Have you explored that? 624 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,069 what's your connection to that part your chart? 625 00:40:01,144 --> 00:40:06,364 So I would just want to make sure for the, are you talking about the square 626 00:40:06,364 --> 00:40:08,824 between like Jupiter, Mars and the nodes? 627 00:40:10,804 --> 00:40:11,224 Okay. 628 00:40:11,344 --> 00:40:11,614 Okay. 629 00:40:11,614 --> 00:40:12,634 I just want to make sure cause 630 00:40:13,069 --> 00:40:13,999 and your mercury over 631 00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:15,934 yeah. 632 00:40:16,864 --> 00:40:17,224 Yeah. 633 00:40:17,254 --> 00:40:20,404 I mean, squares are a huge part of my chart because you know, it's a whole 634 00:40:20,404 --> 00:40:22,744 sign square with Pisces and Gemini. 635 00:40:23,179 --> 00:40:29,957 So I've, I've done a lot of reflection on squares, , and that has been the positive 636 00:40:29,957 --> 00:40:31,737 that I've gotten out of It is growth. 637 00:40:31,737 --> 00:40:35,075 Like we need the friction to make growth happen. 638 00:40:35,472 --> 00:40:39,782 As far as like balancing with Sag, I have never thought about that. 639 00:40:39,782 --> 00:40:42,462 I've um, yeah. 640 00:40:42,492 --> 00:40:42,672 Tell 641 00:40:42,672 --> 00:40:42,882 me more. 642 00:40:44,362 --> 00:40:44,532 Yeah. 643 00:40:44,702 --> 00:40:46,692 It's kind of, your release point right? 644 00:40:46,692 --> 00:40:50,642 So the tension, you have the opposition between your nodes, everyone has that. 645 00:40:51,122 --> 00:40:55,142 But all of that is also directed with this challenge the square 646 00:40:55,207 --> 00:40:56,747 to your Mars and your Jupiter. 647 00:40:56,972 --> 00:41:00,782 So these probably, you were talking about their placement here and 648 00:41:00,782 --> 00:41:04,142 how it's already a bit challenging for you, but it's probably has 649 00:41:04,142 --> 00:41:05,702 that extra boost of challenge. 650 00:41:06,014 --> 00:41:08,804 just because of this tension that's pointing to them. 651 00:41:09,174 --> 00:41:13,899 So it's almost like a three-legged stool where this is the release point. 652 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:18,519 So if you directly go across to very cusp of your third house in Sagittarius 653 00:41:18,909 --> 00:41:24,229 leaning into that energy, whether it's 3rd house topics, like your communication, 654 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,059 neighborhoods, like all those third house stuff, or Sagittarius side of it, which 655 00:41:30,539 --> 00:41:34,929 to me speaks of your exploration, your knowledge seeking all of that stuff. 656 00:41:35,053 --> 00:41:38,293 obviously balancing out with that 9th house, higher, higher 657 00:41:38,293 --> 00:41:42,199 education, maybe you've tapped into it and you didn't even realize it. 658 00:41:43,154 --> 00:41:46,304 well, yeah, kind of, as you were explaining it, I was thinking once 659 00:41:46,304 --> 00:41:51,104 I, so 2020 was like the year of, me kind of coming into this learning. 660 00:41:51,414 --> 00:42:01,003 and then, I would say, like, mid- 20, I guess, February of 2021 I 661 00:42:01,003 --> 00:42:04,973 had been sober for over a year or I was like, really feeling compelled 662 00:42:04,973 --> 00:42:06,643 to like create an Instagram. 663 00:42:07,053 --> 00:42:09,933 Like I wanted, I was ready to help people and I didn't really 664 00:42:09,933 --> 00:42:11,163 know who I was going to help. 665 00:42:11,433 --> 00:42:13,613 So like, I'm going to like a sobriety advocate. 666 00:42:14,003 --> 00:42:17,723 You know, that was originally what my Instagram was going to be about. 667 00:42:18,166 --> 00:42:20,956 and then I was like, you know, I'm not a therapist. 668 00:42:21,046 --> 00:42:24,436 I don't know if this is something I really want to like talk about forever. 669 00:42:24,436 --> 00:42:29,603 Like I do care about it And do think it's important, for people to, the 670 00:42:29,603 --> 00:42:33,513 stigma of sobriety to end, like, frankly, I think that's really important 671 00:42:33,973 --> 00:42:37,808 but I realized that that wasn't really like who I was trying to help. 672 00:42:37,808 --> 00:42:39,713 So I think I did do that. 673 00:42:39,713 --> 00:42:43,592 You know, I was trying to create a community and find the community 674 00:42:43,592 --> 00:42:46,862 of people that I was meant to help. 675 00:42:47,262 --> 00:42:49,692 And I think I'm still doing you know? 676 00:42:50,392 --> 00:42:50,812 Yeah. 677 00:42:51,567 --> 00:42:56,969 And I mean, to Instagram, which is if we had to assign a house to Instagram, 678 00:42:56,989 --> 00:42:57,949 that would be the third house. 679 00:42:58,834 --> 00:42:59,494 oh my God. 680 00:42:59,494 --> 00:43:00,004 That's funny. 681 00:43:00,534 --> 00:43:03,845 Look, everything can be explained by astrology. 682 00:43:03,845 --> 00:43:05,195 I told you about that book, right? 683 00:43:05,225 --> 00:43:09,395 The one that like, you can be like, what is cheese in astrology? 684 00:43:09,855 --> 00:43:10,485 yes. 685 00:43:10,625 --> 00:43:11,290 Yes. 686 00:43:11,375 --> 00:43:12,215 it's it's the moon. 687 00:43:12,725 --> 00:43:16,513 Um, I don't think Instagram's in there, but everything else is. 688 00:43:17,613 --> 00:43:19,293 It would be the third house for sure. 689 00:43:19,633 --> 00:43:20,113 Yes. 690 00:43:20,162 --> 00:43:24,459 Well, is there anything else you'd like to share about your 691 00:43:24,509 --> 00:43:28,632 astrological journey before we dive into some rapid fire questions? 692 00:43:29,783 --> 00:43:34,793 You know, I would just say if you're new to astrology, if you're wanting 693 00:43:34,928 --> 00:43:39,983 get into it and you're feeling like, overwhelmed intimidated, you 694 00:43:39,983 --> 00:43:45,093 there's no rush, take your time and do what you're interested in. 695 00:43:45,191 --> 00:43:47,471 If a placement is calling to you, explore it. 696 00:43:47,471 --> 00:43:50,111 You don't have to go in, like, a prescribed order. 697 00:43:50,357 --> 00:43:56,182 just let it be fun because I feel like this journey of rediscovering yourself 698 00:43:56,212 --> 00:43:58,822 If it's not fun, at least a little bit. 699 00:43:58,822 --> 00:44:00,322 Like what's the point? 700 00:44:01,393 --> 00:44:06,470 , I love that because I think it's almost like this, it's a roller coaster ride 701 00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:10,350 when you learn about astrology, because I feel like anyone who's listening 702 00:44:10,350 --> 00:44:16,080 to this podcast, probably 99% know their sun moon rising and beyond. 703 00:44:16,863 --> 00:44:21,368 But, as you start to explore and get deeper and deeper. 704 00:44:21,428 --> 00:44:26,198 There's the rabbit hole period where you're like, okay, I'm going to learn 705 00:44:26,198 --> 00:44:30,008 everything about my chart, all my placements, all my aspects, all the 706 00:44:30,008 --> 00:44:36,468 houses, all of that stuff And then some people move on to the next rabbit hole, 707 00:44:36,468 --> 00:44:41,498 which is like, which house system do I want to use which books do I want to read? 708 00:44:41,528 --> 00:44:45,948 And then you get in big trouble because there's traditional astrology, there's 709 00:44:45,948 --> 00:44:50,318 modern, there's evolutionary, there's, you know, all of these different techniques 710 00:44:50,348 --> 00:44:52,328 and modalities and schools of thought. 711 00:44:52,598 --> 00:44:55,628 And like, you hit a wall. 712 00:44:55,962 --> 00:44:58,028 I hit a wall personally. 713 00:44:58,388 --> 00:45:01,605 And it almost made me stop because it was too much. 714 00:45:01,605 --> 00:45:03,045 And you get so overwhelmed. 715 00:45:03,765 --> 00:45:07,605 And I think that can happen at stage of your astrological journey, 716 00:45:07,635 --> 00:45:12,075 even if it's just moving from your big three to other planets, right. 717 00:45:12,105 --> 00:45:15,255 When you're just ugh have memorize these symbols. 718 00:45:15,495 --> 00:45:17,535 Oh, I have to memorize what these houses mean. 719 00:45:17,535 --> 00:45:19,185 Like it's a lot. 720 00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:24,585 So I think that advice that you gave is so helpful, because the 721 00:45:24,615 --> 00:45:26,575 right information will come to you. 722 00:45:27,429 --> 00:45:31,345 And part of the reason why I want to do this podcast because you know, maybe 723 00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:34,945 somebody else has their south node in Virgo and have never really thought about 724 00:45:34,945 --> 00:45:39,205 those gifts or, you know, has a Saturn Neptune conjunction in their chart. 725 00:45:39,205 --> 00:45:44,155 And I think that's one of the best ways to learn astrology rather than memorizing 726 00:45:44,175 --> 00:45:50,025 and reading books, And all of that stuff is just talking about it and seeing what 727 00:45:50,025 --> 00:45:55,702 one of those infinite expressions of each planetary energy is, so that you can then 728 00:45:55,732 --> 00:46:01,672 decide what that expression means to you and to bring it full circle, increase your 729 00:46:01,672 --> 00:46:08,517 self-awareness, increase your healing, and continue on your, your journey of growth. 730 00:46:08,817 --> 00:46:10,177 Hell yes, 731 00:46:11,172 --> 00:46:11,622 Okay. 732 00:46:11,832 --> 00:46:12,492 Are you ready? 733 00:46:13,467 --> 00:46:13,827 I'm ready. 734 00:46:13,827 --> 00:46:15,482 for my rapid fire questions? 735 00:46:16,062 --> 00:46:16,392 Yep. 736 00:46:16,422 --> 00:46:16,962 I'm ready, 737 00:46:17,832 --> 00:46:18,192 Okay. 738 00:46:18,822 --> 00:46:21,892 Do you consider yourself to be more introverted or extroverted? 739 00:46:23,172 --> 00:46:23,892 introverted, 740 00:46:25,282 --> 00:46:27,982 What do you think your super power is? 741 00:46:29,735 --> 00:46:30,425 caring. 742 00:46:32,305 --> 00:46:34,775 That's a nice one. 743 00:46:35,355 --> 00:46:37,205 What is your dream travel destination? 744 00:46:37,335 --> 00:46:40,339 This is going to be hard for you. 745 00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:41,419 I feel like you have like twenty. 746 00:46:42,699 --> 00:46:46,649 I don't know how I could ever pick I mean I've never been to the Pacific 747 00:46:46,649 --> 00:46:48,659 Northwest when I want to go there Yeah. 748 00:46:49,049 --> 00:46:55,559 Like Pacific Northwest, Europe, I'll say Scotland specifically. 749 00:46:55,899 --> 00:46:57,509 then I'll say Spain. 750 00:46:58,409 --> 00:46:58,829 Oh. 751 00:46:59,799 --> 00:47:02,089 You could do both of those in one trip over a couple weeks. 752 00:47:02,089 --> 00:47:04,889 We'll have to look at your astromap. 753 00:47:05,849 --> 00:47:06,549 Yes. 754 00:47:06,579 --> 00:47:09,249 Well we talked about this cause you want to look at the Pacific Northwest 755 00:47:09,249 --> 00:47:11,439 and why you're like called there. 756 00:47:11,575 --> 00:47:15,080 Yeah, my sun line's in Eugene, oregon So I got to go there, 757 00:47:16,045 --> 00:47:16,735 Yes. 758 00:47:16,795 --> 00:47:17,485 Oh my goodness. 759 00:47:17,515 --> 00:47:18,865 See why you're so shiny there. 760 00:47:20,695 --> 00:47:22,835 I'm not making this very rapid-fire I'm just like 761 00:47:22,885 --> 00:47:24,205 starting a whole new conversation 762 00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:27,280 How do you bring ritual into your daily life? 763 00:47:29,155 --> 00:47:30,115 in the morning. 764 00:47:30,458 --> 00:47:36,038 there's a ritual of waking up and doing yoga and a little bit of meditation and 765 00:47:36,298 --> 00:47:42,038 I let it be fluid, meaning don't the same thing, but I always like make time myself 766 00:47:42,038 --> 00:47:48,398 in the morning , and I try to remember I'm I don't always remember but I try to 767 00:47:48,398 --> 00:47:50,508 remember that everything can be a ritual. 768 00:47:50,628 --> 00:47:53,708 The only thing that you need for a ritual is intention. 769 00:47:54,698 --> 00:47:57,048 You heard it here first from the witch. 770 00:47:57,708 --> 00:47:59,293 That's going on the quotes. 771 00:48:00,053 --> 00:48:00,683 It's true. 772 00:48:00,743 --> 00:48:01,163 It's true. 773 00:48:02,033 --> 00:48:02,503 I love it! 774 00:48:02,963 --> 00:48:04,478 last but not least. 775 00:48:04,508 --> 00:48:06,543 Where do you shine brightest in your life? 776 00:48:08,570 --> 00:48:11,318 In relationship I'm a Libra rising. 777 00:48:11,318 --> 00:48:17,941 I just, I love having a partner and, being able to talk through something 778 00:48:17,941 --> 00:48:24,421 with somebody and I love helping people and I'm happy to do it now because can 779 00:48:24,421 --> 00:48:29,471 do it in a way that doesn't, , violate my boundaries or , you know, , harm me. 780 00:48:30,153 --> 00:48:30,453 yeah. 781 00:48:30,917 --> 00:48:31,847 That's beautiful. 782 00:48:32,507 --> 00:48:34,997 Well, thank you so much. 783 00:48:35,047 --> 00:48:42,287 I learned so much just talking you about your chart I'm so excited to keep 784 00:48:42,287 --> 00:48:48,617 talking to you about astrology and all of the amazing work you're doing and your 785 00:48:48,617 --> 00:48:51,077 locational astrology we'll do that soon. 786 00:48:51,490 --> 00:48:53,530 So where can people find you? 787 00:48:54,183 --> 00:48:57,793 So I'm on Instagram @selfhelpwitch at self-help which and then my 788 00:48:57,793 --> 00:49:00,643 website is selfhelpwitch.com. 789 00:49:00,693 --> 00:49:03,903 So either of those places, and then of course the podcast, 790 00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:05,743 which is also self-help witch. 791 00:49:07,284 --> 00:49:07,594 Thank 792 00:49:07,779 --> 00:49:07,869 you. 793 00:49:08,259 --> 00:49:08,559 Yes. 794 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:09,489 Thank you for having me. 795 00:49:09,489 --> 00:49:10,469 I learned a lot too. 796 00:49:10,721 --> 00:49:14,240 That really was so helpful though, because it's really hard to 797 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:18,080 look past the like scary things. 798 00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:22,370 Like, I, i, that was super helpful So thank you a lot for that. 799 00:49:22,576 --> 00:49:23,846 Oh, for what? 800 00:49:24,212 --> 00:49:26,322 Oh, just like the points you were making about my chart. 801 00:49:26,322 --> 00:49:31,212 Like that was like really nice, like reframe, like, it was a perspective that I 802 00:49:31,212 --> 00:49:34,152 hadn't seen before, so it was like, yeah. 803 00:49:34,272 --> 00:49:34,992 Empowering. 804 00:49:35,022 --> 00:49:36,312 It was, yeah 805 00:49:36,954 --> 00:49:40,669 I know, it's always a little nerve wracking to talk about someone's 806 00:49:40,669 --> 00:49:42,709 chart, who knows about astrology. 807 00:49:42,739 --> 00:49:47,750 But I think like, this is a perfect example of how cool it can be, right? 808 00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:51,827 Like it's like your south node keeps making me laugh because it's. 809 00:49:51,867 --> 00:49:53,907 like, Of course you can't see it. 810 00:49:54,507 --> 00:49:56,937 It's literally just like you need someone to tell you about it 811 00:49:56,937 --> 00:49:58,227 because it's just hiding from you. 812 00:49:59,502 --> 00:50:00,222 Yes. 813 00:50:00,709 --> 00:50:01,144 totally. 814 00:50:01,290 --> 00:50:01,920 Well 815 00:50:01,975 --> 00:50:02,995 Thanks for having me. 816 00:50:03,630 --> 00:50:05,970 Thank so much And thank you for being so open. 817 00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:08,194 Enjoy your night and I will talk to you soon! 818 00:50:08,518 --> 00:50:08,818 All right. 819 00:50:08,818 --> 00:50:09,358 bye! 820 00:50:09,618 --> 00:50:10,048 bye! 821 00:50:11,412 --> 00:50:14,682 That whole conversation with D., it was so insightful. 822 00:50:15,072 --> 00:50:19,932 I just love the way that she helped me shift my perspective on what 823 00:50:19,932 --> 00:50:26,442 self-help is and how to be intentional about the spells that we're crafting 824 00:50:26,472 --> 00:50:28,182 every day in our everyday lives. 825 00:50:28,182 --> 00:50:29,292 Whether we know it or not. 826 00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:32,478 We spent quite a bit of time talking about D.'s chart. 827 00:50:32,594 --> 00:50:34,334 Her chart will be in the show notes. 828 00:50:34,364 --> 00:50:36,224 If you're interested in looking at it. 829 00:50:36,794 --> 00:50:40,517 If you would like a reading with me to take a look at your birth chart. 830 00:50:40,517 --> 00:50:44,417 You can find that@cosmicmoves.com slash shop. 831 00:50:44,747 --> 00:50:48,257 I offer a few different readings and I would absolutely love to work with you. 832 00:50:48,827 --> 00:50:53,237 If you enjoyed what you heard here today, please share it with a friend. 833 00:50:53,237 --> 00:50:57,587 That's one of the best ways that I can think to grow this community. 834 00:50:57,947 --> 00:51:03,047 And of course, if you're interested in notifications for when the next episode 835 00:51:03,047 --> 00:51:06,257 is going to come out in a couple of weeks, please make sure you're subscribed 836 00:51:06,257 --> 00:51:07,907 wherever you listen to podcasts. 837 00:51:08,357 --> 00:51:13,877 And if you're so inclined I would always appreciate a rating 838 00:51:13,937 --> 00:51:16,217 and a review on apple podcasts. 839 00:51:16,749 --> 00:51:22,259 that would just help the podcast get more visibility and it would mean a lot to me. 840 00:51:22,489 --> 00:51:23,749 So wherever you are. 841 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,299 Here's wishing you a stellar day. 842 00:51:26,353 --> 00:51:28,033 And talk to you next time. 843 00:51:28,117 --> 00:51:28,777 Bye.