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Well, all right, ladies and gentlemen, we are the Lost Treasures podcast.

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I'm John Scheel.

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I'm Adam Means, and.

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And let's.

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Let's dive right into it.

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Adam, how have you been?

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It's been a couple of weeks.

Speaker B

Good, man.

Speaker B

This weather's been absolutely terrible.

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I think both of us got sick in, like, last month.

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But it is what it is.

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So the winter, you know, fun stuff.

Speaker A

You know, you can probably hear it in.

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In my little bit.

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Not too bad.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, I'm one of those people, though, that once I start coughing, it's gonna just kill my voice.

Speaker B

I was surprised when I saw you, too.

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I was like, oh, I wonder if he's gonna be all congested.

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You sound a lot better, man.

Speaker A

Well, that's good.

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That's definitely good.

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If my mom were listening, she'd be like, oh, John, I still hear a little bit of the cold, but that's okay.

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That's all right.

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It's just the remnants of losing my voice, and I was as hoarse as could be.

Speaker B

Oh, dude.

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Everybody was sick at work, too, so.

Speaker C

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Speaker A

Well, stay safe out there, ladies and gentlemen, and we're glad you're listening.

Speaker A

So let's dive in.

Speaker A

A couple of the New York Times ran a story, and it was all over the news.

Speaker A

In fact, it was all over my news feed.

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It Was on Instagram.

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It was all over the place.

Speaker B

Yeah, we talked about it at breakfast today.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So they.

Speaker A

They actually found this discovery two years ago, Two and a half years ago, but did not release it until just a few days ago.

Speaker B

In.

Speaker A

In the news.

Speaker A

It was released that the Egyptian Ministry of Tourism and antiquities confirmed in 2020.

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24, 2025 excavation season that they actually found the first tomb, the first royal tomb near the Valley of the Kings since 1922.

Speaker C

Been a while.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

It's crazy.

Speaker A

Completely amazing.

Speaker B

And they found so many there in this, you know, like, pretty much 100 years later, you know?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, I read somewhere that they had dug over 80 different tombs in that particular area, but none of them were of a king or queen.

Speaker A

And then they found this one, and it was the.

Speaker A

The tomb of Thutmose ii, whose wife.

Speaker A

I can't say.

Speaker B

This.

Speaker A

Hat shape.

Speaker A

Hat shape.

Speaker B

Something like that.

Speaker A

Hat sept.

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker B

That's a tough one.

Speaker A

She was the queen.

Speaker A

I did read that she was the queen.

Speaker A

He was the king.

Speaker A

But she was really the pharaoh in charge and one of the most successful female pharaohs.

Speaker A

And his burial was actually moved.

Speaker A

It was in this Valley of the Kings, but it was behind a waterfall and there was some flooding in antiquity.

Speaker A

So they actually broke into it to preserve it.

Speaker A

And they moved it to a different location.

Speaker A

Because his body has actually been in the Egyptian museum for quite a long time.

Speaker A

Like 80 years.

Speaker C

Wow.

Speaker A

So they found it a long time ago, but they didn't actually find the original location.

Speaker B

Got you.

Speaker A

Until done.

Speaker A

2,022.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker B

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker A

What I read was that the.

Speaker A

The way that they knew that this particular tomb was in fact, the tomb of a king was because the ceiling was a blue and had gold stars.

Speaker B

Knew it had something to do with the colors.

Speaker A

It was.

Speaker C

Yeah, it.

Speaker A

It.

Speaker A

This particular painting was unique to the kings.

Speaker A

Like, only the kings were allowed to have this thing.

Speaker B

They knew right away then.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So when they got in there.

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And not only that, then there were fragments of alabaster jars and whatnot that were found.

Speaker B

Yeah, they found quite a few artifacts.

Speaker A

There at the site, too, Which, I mean, honestly, pretty.

Speaker A

Pretty amazing.

Speaker A

But they.

Speaker A

I guess they thought originally that the tomb was of a royal wife.

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But then these fragments of the alabaster jars are what actually identified it as the second.

Speaker B

Gotcha.

Speaker A

And, you know, if you.

Speaker A

If you Google some of this stuff, you're gonna find some interesting wrinkles to this story.

Speaker A

First of all, his wife was also his half Sister.

Speaker A

So, you know, a little game of thrones kind of action going on.

Speaker B

Little.

Speaker A

But.

Speaker A

But I guess, you know, she was pretty successful as a female pharaoh.

Speaker A

But he, you know, his reign, some think that he was king only for like, less than five years.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker A

And then after.

Speaker B

Not a long time.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Then after that, I guess, grand scheme of all.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

Which I got you.

Speaker A

Which is pretty, pretty wild.

Speaker A

But, you know, I mean, a lot of turmoil back in the day, I guess.

Speaker A

And I guess the.

Speaker A

The tomb, just the fact that it.

Speaker A

It, you know, had been laying undiscovered.

Speaker A

It was actually pretty big to be undiscovered for so long.

Speaker A

95ft long.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

That's pretty good size.

Speaker A

And has a 17 by 17 by 11 burial chamber.

Speaker B

Interesting numbers right there.

Speaker B

17 by 17 by 11.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

And I guess again, this color, blue and yellow star motifs is really what tipped them off to it being the royal thing.

Speaker A

And I guess they suspect that it was flooded not long after he was first buried there.

Speaker A

So they went in body engraved goods all moved to a different location, like, because the site was just like, poorly chosen.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

It was right by that water.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

There's like two waterfalls, I guess, real near there.

Speaker A

And then it just.

Speaker A

The.

Speaker A

I guess the 18th Dynasty had wetter weather than prior and.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

Later.

Speaker A

And so it was all.

Speaker A

It was just really not.

Speaker A

Not so good.

Speaker A

But actually, Thutmose's mummified remains were discovered in 1881.

Speaker C

Wow.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Along with a couple of other pharaohs, actually.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So it's actually housed now at the national museum of Egyptian civilization.

Speaker A

And I guess there's some.

Speaker A

Some folks who are still kind of surprised and maybe thinking, like, maybe this wasn't a royal tomb.

Speaker A

But, you know, I. I read that the ministry of culture, you know.

Speaker A

Mr. You know, the famous, famous ones.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

Han Swari.

Speaker C

Yes.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

That guy.

Speaker B

Egyptian.

Speaker B

He's like the primary Egyptologist.

Speaker A

Yes, the.

Speaker A

The very famous one who is like.

Speaker C

Yeah, the.

Speaker A

The leader of.

Speaker A

Of it all over there.

Speaker A

He.

Speaker A

He was convinced that this was in fact Thutmose ii.

Speaker B

Oh, so he even.

Speaker B

He even put his little.

Speaker B

Little signature on there too, did he?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Zahi Hawass.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

That guy.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

He's become quite famous as the.

Speaker B

Oh, yeah, he's super popular now.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

He's on all the Discovery stuff.

Speaker B

Anything on Discovery Channel?

Speaker B

Nobody.

Speaker B

He had some Netflix documentaries.

Speaker B

So it has to do with Egypt.

Speaker B

That dude's going to be there.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

You know, we should put him on our list of.

Speaker A

Of guests.

Speaker A

Like our.

Speaker A

We're going to reach you know, I mean, we could put Taylor Swift on there too.

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

I don't know that she'll be there.

Speaker B

But I'm not going to get into it.

Speaker A

I bet, I bet he could.

Speaker A

You know, he might, he, he might be bored.

Speaker A

He's 77.

Speaker A

What else has he got to do?

Speaker B

Oh, he's just hanging out at his brand new Egyptian museum over there too.

Speaker C

So.

Speaker A

All right, ladies and gentlemen, moving on from Egypt.

Speaker B

Oh, I'll do this one right.

Speaker A

Yeah, this is a good one.

Speaker A

This is good.

Speaker B

This is all right.

Speaker B

So the title, when was this?

Speaker B

This wasn't too long ago.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

Just released the new, we're talking days ago, the news came out.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker B

The article title is Oldest section of China's Great Wall Discovered Pushing Back its origin by 300 years.

Speaker B

I think there is, I mean, I don't know the exact date, but what, what this is pretty much talking about is they found a different part.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker B

Lower.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So actually what we're saying here is the Western Zoo Dynasty was 1046 B.C.

Speaker B

To 771 B.C.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

Wow.

Speaker A

And so this groundbreaking discovery pushes the, the date back of the building of the wall 300 years.

Speaker A

They, I guess thought that it was more in the 700 to 400 BC era, but.

Speaker B

Do you think it's older than that, John?

Speaker A

Well, that's what, that's what they're saying.

Speaker A

I mean, I'm not there, but I'm going to go with the archeologists who believe that.

Speaker A

Yes, indeed.

Speaker A

This is.

Speaker B

So it's definitely old.

Speaker A

Yeah, it's pretty old.

Speaker A

I mean, I think it's really cool that they're, that they're still out there analyzing things, doing soil samples, doing plant samples.

Speaker B

Should be though, you know.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, it's a UNESCO World Heritage site, so isn't it one of the.

Speaker B

Seven wonders of the World?

Speaker A

Yes, Although, you know, that list kind of.

Speaker B

Does it change?

Speaker B

Yeah, but I mean it certainly doesn't get updated that often either, right?

Speaker A

No, but I think, I think it's, I think it's an important list.

Speaker A

I think this one's on there for sure.

Speaker A

But I mean who, who could have predicted that they would find something that would say that it's actually 300 years older?

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Then, you know, that's crazy.

Speaker A

That's pretty significant.

Speaker B

Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Speaker A

Yeah, it's interesting to note that they're, they're still sort of learning the construction techniques along with, you know, what, what wars were going on at the, at the time.

Speaker A

All that Kind of stuff that pays.

Speaker A

It just plays into the whole history of it, which is really kind of cool.

Speaker B

I mean, it's amazing.

Speaker B

Like, just the whole structure of it, where it's placed.

Speaker B

It's humongous.

Speaker A

Yeah, I know.

Speaker A

Can you imagine?

Speaker A

I can't even.

Speaker A

That's.

Speaker B

That'd be something cool to visit.

Speaker B

That'd be a bucket list thing.

Speaker A

Absolutely.

Speaker A

Great.

Speaker B

Wall of China.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Well, we're making lists here.

Speaker A

So, Zahi, we're going to invite him on the podcast.

Speaker B

I'm 50.

Speaker B

50 on Zahi.

Speaker A

I think it would be great.

Speaker A

We could do a zoom call with him, you know, and I mean, he speaks pretty good English, so he wouldn't need to translate.

Speaker B

Yeah, he's not going to like what I found in the park, so.

Speaker C

Oh, really?

Speaker A

Well, okay, let's not say anything bad about him on the podcast.

Speaker B

I'm not talking bad about the guy.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker B

I'm not saying one bad thing about him.

Speaker B

I don't know him.

Speaker C

So.

Speaker A

All right.

Speaker A

Oldest.

Speaker A

Oldest section of the wall is older.

Speaker B

Just got older.

Speaker A

That's pretty, pretty awesome.

Speaker A

Now, listen, since we are just coming out of the winter and we're starting to see all the reports come out, I thought it would be important to kind of do a recap of the 2024 season.

Speaker A

So the most impactful archaeological discoveries of 2024.

Speaker B

And this is not based on our opinion either.

Speaker B

This is what was.

Speaker B

Yeah, this is kind of put out as far as, like, there's one article of stating all these things, right?

Speaker C

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

There's.

Speaker A

I mean, there's a number of different.

Speaker B

Articles and a couple we've already talked about too.

Speaker A

Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker A

We, we have covered a bunch already in.

Speaker A

Just because we like to keep current.

Speaker A

If you're, if you're a fan of our show, we like to pull up current topics in archeology that are, you know, active digs that are adding to the world's knowledge.

Speaker A

We're discovering the lost treasures, bringing some magic back from.

Speaker A

From long lost times.

Speaker A

Right, right.

Speaker A

And of course, we've already talked about some of these impactful discoveries.

Speaker A

We already talked about the, the scroll, the.

Speaker A

From.

Speaker A

From Julius Caesar's father in law's house in Pompeii, where some graduate students using AI technology were able to decipher words.

Speaker B

That's pretty cool.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

And it started with wrinkles on the page and then, you know, chemical analysis and then the analysis of the actual wrinkles and markings.

Speaker A

And then combining that using AI technology, three different grad students pooled their work and ended up producing longer forms of the text.

Speaker A

But what it started with was one word, which was an ancient Latin word for purple.

Speaker A

That's right.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

I remember that now.

Speaker A

And we talked about that on an episode here on the Lost Treasures.

Speaker A

We've talked about Pompeii, certainly.

Speaker A

We've talked about Italy.

Speaker A

We've talked China.

Speaker A

We've talked about coins.

Speaker A

We've talked about all sorts of stuff.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

And of course, there's a lot going.

Speaker B

On in 2024, actually.

Speaker A

Oh, absolutely.

Speaker C

And we.

Speaker A

We did talk about Notre Dame.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

That was the.

Speaker B

Actually last episode we did, which will be out hopefully here tomorrow.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So lots of artifacts came from the repair of the cathedral, which just since we last had an episode, actually they opened it up, which was magnificent unveiling.

Speaker A

I mean, and I don't know if you saw any of the videos on 60 Minutes or whatever, but the clean white marble of that cathedral, I mean, they cleaned every square inch of that place.

Speaker A

It's unbelievable.

Speaker A

I mean, it's like, brand new.

Speaker A

It could last another thousand years and.

Speaker A

And be in great shape.

Speaker B

I wonder how much they had to put into that.

Speaker A

Oh, a lot.

Speaker B

Oh, it had to be a lot.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

But one of the things.

Speaker B

And we'll move on, like a specialty, too.

Speaker B

You have to find specialty people that know how to.

Speaker A

That's exactly what I was going to say.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So the woodworking, they brought in folks who knew how to do the original work, which initially they thought they weren't sure that anyone even knew how to build things the way that they built it originally.

Speaker B

That's a good point.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So they came in with craftsmen and wood and techniques that were used in the original build, and they brought them in and renovated the place and really did a fantastic job.

Speaker A

If you are on TikTok, go check it out.

Speaker A

There are so many videos out there.

Speaker A

You can get a real sense of the site and what it looks like now.

Speaker A

If you happen to be lucky enough to.

Speaker A

To go to Paris, you should definitely put that on your list.

Speaker B

That'd be like, top top three.

Speaker A

I think that adds a.

Speaker A

That's our third bucket list item for this podcast.

Speaker B

We should have a dry erase board with bucket list stuff.

Speaker A

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker A

And you watch.

Speaker A

I'm gonna reach out to Mr. Hawass.

Speaker A

It's gonna be wild.

Speaker B

Have to edit part of this.

Speaker A

Now, the other thing.

Speaker A

The other thing in our list of impactful things that we already talked.

Speaker B

Here we go back on task.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

The jade.

Speaker A

We talked about them last time.

Speaker C

Yes.

Speaker A

So 5,000 year old jade artifacts connecting Inner Mongolia and early Chinese civilizations.

Speaker A

We beautiful talk about that.

Speaker A

So beautiful artifacts.

Speaker A

But some of the cool stuff that we did not talk about.

Speaker A

First, a really interesting discovery right outside of a town.

Speaker A

It's in the Alm Medina province in Saudi Arabia.

Speaker A

Archaeologists under an oasis, they found a city, an ancient fort city, a Bronze Age site of Al Nata in present day Saudi Arabia.

Speaker A

I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right.

Speaker A

It was occupied from 2400 BC to 1500 BC and the ancient town apparently was constructed right around the time people were converting from nomadic cattle herding to like permanent settlements.

Speaker B

Gotcha.

Speaker A

Really kind of interesting.

Speaker A

And it looks like there were about 500 residents across about 3.7 acres.

Speaker A

And that being like the center of the town if you will.

Speaker A

Now I don't know if you recall this, but that 3 acres number, it reminds me of when you and I went.

Speaker A

And those of you watching our TikTok live or listening to the podcast might have to scroll back to one of our earliest episodes where we went and visited one of the sites in North America where the earliest form of corn cultivation was found.

Speaker A

Right here in Cincinnati, Ohio.

Speaker B

Little Miami River.

Speaker A

Little Miami River.

Speaker A

Yeah, that's right.

Speaker B

Three different civilizations of people have been there.

Speaker A

The Ohio state super cool Dr. Robert Cook from Ohio State University leading that excavation.

Speaker A

Of course there have been multiple excavations over the years, but really it wasn't that big of a site.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

It was about three or four acres and they had so many, they had two different like villages over time that they knew kind of were there.

Speaker A

And we were standing kind of on one of them when we visited live.

Speaker A

But it's just amazing to me that 500 residents could live in this Saudi Arabian.

Speaker A

Not a huge area.

Speaker B

3.7 acres isn't huge.

Speaker A

No, I mean think about it.

Speaker A

If you're in an average, you know, let's, let's say slightly above average middle class neighborhood, you're going to be on kind of a one acre lot.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker B

Or half.

Speaker A

So like three, three houses of, of the one acre lot.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

Or maybe six houses on half acre lots.

Speaker B

It's like barely, it's almost four.

Speaker B

But you know, that's not a, not a lot of land.

Speaker C

It's not.

Speaker A

No.

Speaker A

I mean 4 acres is, it's not a lot.

Speaker A

No.

Speaker A

To.

Speaker A

And to have 500 people living there.

Speaker A

Yeah, that's pretty wild.

Speaker C

Yeah, Crazy.

Speaker A

So anyway, metal weapons were found, axes and daggers, along with stones and stone tools.

Speaker A

There were grave goods and it looked like they had One to two story buildings, so some, some decent construction going on.

Speaker A

And of course, this is just like an early urbanization effort, you know, and creating a fortified town in, in this area.

Speaker A

It is interesting that they found traces of spices, frankincense and myrrh.

Speaker B

Oh, they traded.

Speaker B

Yeah, they traded with people, right?

Speaker A

Yeah, so.

Speaker A

So they were clearly on a trade route with Southern Arabia and the Mediterranean, which is really pretty cool.

Speaker B

I think it's pretty funny how people think that they didn't have the ability to move.

Speaker B

Like, you know, you're just, oh, we find these random things from other places.

Speaker B

Well, yeah, they're able to move around, trade.

Speaker B

Like that stuff still happens.

Speaker A

Sure.

Speaker B

Might have been a little harder, but at the same time it's not like that's an impossible theory.

Speaker B

Like, oh yeah, these people like moved all over the place.

Speaker A

Traded all over the place, of course, you know.

Speaker A

Well, I mean, one thing that I think most people need to kind of keep in mind is that humanity from, from our mental standpoint.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

Has been pretty much the same for the last five to 10,000 years.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

So it's not like, you know, like humanity changed.

Speaker A

Just because technology has changed.

Speaker C

No.

Speaker A

Doesn't mean society has changed that much.

Speaker B

Agree.

Speaker A

So, you know, travel, as long as there's been horses, there's been travel.

Speaker B

Or boats.

Speaker A

Yeah, horses, boats, camels.

Speaker B

Yeah, all that stuff.

Speaker A

Now that's why this site is in the top finds of 2024.

Speaker B

Pretty cool though.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

And very, very impactful.

Speaker A

These are, these are things that are made the list because discussion of them will go on for a long time as far as how, how much they impact our understanding of early.

Speaker B

Sean, isn't there a couple of trains of thought to like an isolationist theory and a diffusionist theory where people are either moving around or they're staying in the same place?

Speaker A

As far as some civilizations go, I think that it.

Speaker A

Yeah, it depends on what part of the world that you're talking about.

Speaker B

Exactly.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

But talking about moving around, check this out.

Speaker A

So the next one on our list here is a 2000 year old temple from the Nabataean people.

Speaker A

Now, keep in mind the Nabataeans were Middle Eastern.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

Now their architecture is very well known.

Speaker A

We know who the Nabataeans were, we know about them, but we did not know that they actually were all the way over in Italy.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So there was a temple using the Nabataean architecture and to the Nabataean gods that was found in a port city off the coast of Italy, which, you know, was A trading hub in the Mediterranean under the Romans.

Speaker A

So this is approximately a 2000 year old temple, meaning someone from the Nabataean culture came all the way over here to Italy in the Roman time period and built a temple to their home gods right here off the coast of Italy.

Speaker C

Yep.

Speaker A

Which is super cool.

Speaker B

That is.

Speaker A

And I guess crazy.

Speaker B

It's submerged too.

Speaker A

Yeah, it, I mean, the port.

Speaker B

How much stuff is underwater?

Speaker A

The entire port is.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Pretty wild.

Speaker C

I know.

Speaker A

So 2000 year old temple to the Nabataean God Tushara, the only example of its kind outside the Middle East.

Speaker A

So completely dubbed to what you were.

Speaker B

Super unique.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

But I mean they clearly 2000 years ago were moving, and not just moving around, but bringing their culture with them.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

Super cool.

Speaker B

Yeah, Right by the water too.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Now this one does contain inscriptions in Latin as well as Roman influences, clearly.

Speaker A

But measuring 32 by 16ft, the temple had two large rooms with marble altars decorated with sacred stones.

Speaker A

And unfortunately, volcanic eruptions caused the port to sink into the ocean.

Speaker A

And so there it is off the coast.

Speaker B

The Romans had conquered that part of the world at a certain point.

Speaker B

Right.

Speaker A

Well, this was right south of Rome.

Speaker A

I mean, Patuoli is the name of the town, so good luck on that one.

Speaker A

Yeah, just a little bit south of Rome.

Speaker B

No, that's sweet.

Speaker A

Yeah, so that's the, that's the modern, that's the modern name.

Speaker A

The port city as it was known was Puteoli.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker A

So during, during the Roman Republic.

Speaker B

Gotcha.

Speaker A

But then unfortunately, volcanoes.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

As they got Pompeii and Herculaneum.

Speaker A

They got this one too, but they sold this one.

Speaker A

So now, next on our list.

Speaker B

Awesome.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, back to Egypt.

Speaker A

And again, we're, we're looking at some of the things that have come out in the last couple of years that are going to impact archeology for years.

Speaker A

So 11 sealed burial chambers in Luxor in 2020.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So this is what they call the South Assassin necropolis.

Speaker A

It's next to the temple of Hatsheput.

Speaker B

Hatshepsut.

Speaker A

Hatshepsut.

Speaker A

On the western bank of the Nile river, of course.

Speaker A

And archaeologists found coffins for men, women and children going all the way back to 19.

Speaker A

1938 B.C.

Speaker B

That is a long time.

Speaker C

Wow.

Speaker A

So almost 2,000 years before.

Speaker A

It's almost 4,000 years ago.

Speaker B

Yes.

Speaker A

And experts believed it was a family tomb for multiple generations from the 12th through the 13th Dynasty.

Speaker A

And they were mostly wooden coffins and linen wraps.

Speaker A

And of course there's, there's stuff Jewelry.

Speaker A

But they, they were able to.

Speaker A

Most of the wooden coffins and linen wraps were destroyed by ancient floods, but they did find some.

Speaker A

And then there was jewelry.

Speaker A

Jewelry, burials.

Speaker A

And one well crafted necklace containing 30amethysts and two agate beads and a hippo head amulet and some copper mirrors.

Speaker A

All kinds of stuff.

Speaker A

Some stuff dedicated to Haor, the goddess of the sky, women and fertility and love among ancient Egyptians.

Speaker B

Nice.

Speaker A

And I guess these, these tombs were.

Speaker A

Because they were sealed and we just found them recently, they're opening up a whole world of discussion about what was going on at that period of time.

Speaker A

And basically new discoveries happening in Egypt even to this day.

Speaker B

They'll keep happening.

Speaker A

I mean, it's pretty, pretty incredible.

Speaker B

I mean, it was a huge area too.

Speaker B

And they're not going to find all the stuff that's buried.

Speaker B

Like there's still more out there.

Speaker A

Well, the other thing is, and we know this from talking about Pompeii, is that there are certain areas where they will not go because they know that it'll take too long for the burials, like the excavation season and because they don't have the technology or because it's too deep or because whatever.

Speaker A

But like Pompeii, they are slowly uncovering it, but they've left a ton of.

Speaker A

Because they want to make sure that future technology comes along and they're able to, to excavate and do it better.

Speaker A

Right?

Speaker B

Faster.

Speaker A

Better.

Speaker A

Faster.

Speaker A

Yeah, Keep, you know, more, more preservation.

Speaker A

I got that sort of stuff.

Speaker B

I got you.

Speaker B

So that's smart.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah, smart.

Speaker A

I mean, they, they're really trying to preserve stuff for the future.

Speaker B

I was gonna say, shouldn't like, most of what you're doing be to not only preserve it, but to identify where it is?

Speaker B

Like if you know where it is and then you can come down the road and excavate it, you know, far more efficiently than we could probably right now.

Speaker A

Oh, yeah.

Speaker A

I mean, to what?

Speaker A

Finding it is half the battle.

Speaker A

Getting it out of the ground and getting it in one piece and then learning from it, that's the whole.

Speaker A

That's a whole other.

Speaker B

Yep, another ball of wax.

Speaker A

But it's cool that 11 sealed burials were excavated in just, just these past couple years.

Speaker A

And they're so impactful that they're like on the, the list of 2024's most.

Speaker A

That's important discoveries.

Speaker B

That's impressive.

Speaker A

Yeah, super cool.

Speaker A

So next on our list, let's, let's keep rolling.

Speaker B

What do we got next, John?

Speaker A

We've got.

Speaker A

Oh, this is a good one.

Speaker A

So, so we were just talking about all the women stuff found in these Egyptian tombs.

Speaker A

Decor in recently discovered rooms in Peru suggests the ancient Mochi society was female ruled.

Speaker C

Cool.

Speaker A

So a matriarchal society.

Speaker A

And let's bring up some information on that one.

Speaker A

I, I thought this was particularly cool and really does speak to, you know, right now we got some folks who clearly, clearly want to smash the patriarchy and, and I'm kind of with them.

Speaker A

But it's been done before, ladies.

Speaker A

It's been done before.

Speaker A

And if you're watching on the tick tock, you know, ladies, get out there, you can do it.

Speaker A

So pulling this up, the archaeological site that was once a religious and political center of the ancient Mochi culture dates back to 650 CE.

Speaker A

So 650, which those murals are cool.

Speaker B

Yeah, a lot of different colors.

Speaker A

I mean Honestly, the 600s in Europe was sort of the dawn of the Dark Age ages.

Speaker C

Right.

Speaker A

Not a lot of like the, the Roman, Roman civilization had kind of fallen.

Speaker B

Doesn't sound like fun.

Speaker A

No.

Speaker B

Dark Ages.

Speaker A

I mean that's really.

Speaker A

Yeah, that's really what was.

Speaker B

Got a horrible name.

Speaker A

Well, lots of things.

Speaker A

Plagues.

Speaker B

Doesn't like make anything sound good when it starts.

Speaker B

Dark Ages.

Speaker A

No Barbarians at the gate.

Speaker B

Sounds terrible.

Speaker A

The Fall of the Roman Empire.

Speaker A

If you have not checked it out, ladies and gentlemen, you should check out the rise and Fall of the Roman Empire.

Speaker B

Oh, is that good?

Speaker A

Yeah, it's, well it's, it's an old book, a set of books.

Speaker A

It's like an encyclopedia.

Speaker A

I got you the Fall of the Roman Empire.

Speaker A

But for, for those of you listening, I'm a classics major and some of this stuff comes.

Speaker B

John loves this stuff.

Speaker A

My college degree was literally to study ancient Rome, ancient Greece, Ancient Egypt, all of this stuff.

Speaker B

That's awesome.

Speaker A

I love, love discussing this stuff.

Speaker A

But in 650 CE, all the way across in the new world, unbeknownst to those in the Dark ages was this female culture, which is super cool.

Speaker A

And it is really very cool to see the artwork that is being discovered now in Peru.

Speaker A

And there's, there's pictures of it online if you want to go check it out.

Speaker A

Panamarca is the name of the town and the ancient name was Mochi.

Speaker A

The ancient Mochi people.

Speaker A

And so yeah, chambers found with serpents, paintings of serpents and images of warriors and mythical creatures.

Speaker A

But it is really interesting to show that a woman was seated on the throne while receiving visitors.

Speaker B

That's pretty cool.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

What was this?

Speaker B

This the art news.com is that the article, yes.

Speaker B

Oh, sorry.

Speaker A

It's.

Speaker A

It's all good.

Speaker A

There's lots of articles out there.

Speaker A

You can go see them.

Speaker A

So we do want to spread the word out there.

Speaker A

There's.

Speaker A

There's a lot of information out there.

Speaker A

If you're interested, we can put some of these links up in our website and social media.

Speaker A

But.

Speaker A

But yeah, speaking of which, the news articles that I'm pulling up are giving me troubles on the computer here as we go.

Speaker B

That's part of it, John.

Speaker B

So gotta be the navigator on the computer.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

We've got quite a bit, though, that we can talk about.

Speaker A

Let's just check our time here.

Speaker A

We're running a little low on time.

Speaker A

One of the last things I wanted to talk about, though, was that we're gonna jump back to the middle EAS and there is a calendar that was found that shows some of the earliest known calendars in the Fertile Crescent where they feel like civilization came from.

Speaker A

So experts identified a prehistoric calendar at.

Speaker A

Oh, I love this.

Speaker B

Gobekli Tepe.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker A

Go Beckley tepe.

Speaker B

So awesome.

Speaker A

Turkey.

Speaker A

12,000-year-old temple like complex.

Speaker B

This has been out for a while.

Speaker A

It has, but I don't think we've talked about it too much.

Speaker B

No, I don't think we have.

Speaker C

No.

Speaker A

But this one is important, right?

Speaker A

And this is a good one to kind of wrap up our show on today.

Speaker A

Gobekli Tepe is.

Speaker A

There's so much written about it right now because it.

Speaker A

It's just been discovered in the past couple of years.

Speaker A

Roughly 1312 to 13,000 years ago, this site was occupied.

Speaker A

And the carvings that were developed there are recording comets that hit the Earth about 13,000 years ago.

Speaker A

And the engravings on the monuments track moon phases and sun cycles, making this super accurate too.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

The earliest known Luni Sal Looney solar calendar.

Speaker A

So it uses the moon and the sun to map out the.

Speaker B

Sounds pretty advanced to me.

Speaker A

Pretty amazing.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So the comet strike that they are documenting, though, brought.

Speaker A

It was so impactful on the earth, it brought a miniature ice age and it led to extinction of many large animals.

Speaker A

And as that hit, humans were recording it because it was such a lifestyle change.

Speaker A

So they were changing the lifestyle from hunting and gathering to agriculture.

Speaker A

And the birth of the civilization in the fertile crescent of West Asia is documented by some of these events in this calendar.

Speaker B

So cool.

Speaker A

And it's 12,000-year-old.

Speaker B

Super cool.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Unbelievable.

Speaker B

That's probably one of my favorites.

Speaker B

And then there's another site close to that.

Speaker B

Karen Tepe.

Speaker B

Which.

Speaker B

It's just in the same area, but it's another.

Speaker B

Like, I don't.

Speaker B

I think Karen Tepe is actually a little.

Speaker B

They haven't uncovered as much.

Speaker B

A little bit newer, but, dude, go get.

Speaker B

This is.

Speaker B

Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

Speaker B

All the symbolism on all the monuments and stuff there.

Speaker B

It's pretty impressive.

Speaker C

It.

Speaker A

It truly is.

Speaker A

It's so neat to.

Speaker A

To know that there are folks that are dedicated to finding and preserving this history and bringing it out so that we can learn from.

Speaker B

Oh, there's still a ton they have to excavate, too.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

We're just seeing, like, little bits and pieces.

Speaker B

Pieces right here.

Speaker A

And honestly, Lost Treasures podcast is doing our best to give you an overview and a snapshot, but hopefully what we're doing is planting some seeds.

Speaker A

Folks.

Speaker B

Something interesting to talk about, too.

Speaker B

That's different.

Speaker A

Gosh, for all the people out there, how many of you have been on a dating site?

Speaker A

I don't know if you have, but I'm going to tell you right now, I have some friends who have gone on to dating websites.

Speaker A

And.

Speaker A

And if you look at.

Speaker A

If you look at Hinge, if you're on Hinge, almost every profile of every person out there is saying, hey, I want to travel more.

Speaker A

Right.

Speaker A

Well, now you've got some sites where you can actually go.

Speaker A

Some.

Speaker B

Oh, that'd be so cool.

Speaker A

That'd definitely be.

Speaker B

Bucket list.

Speaker A

So.

Speaker B

Bucket list.

Speaker A

Bucket list.

Speaker A

There we.

Speaker B

There we go.

Speaker A

What all have we talked about today?

Speaker B

We've talked about different things are on our bucket list.

Speaker A

Turkey, southern Italy, Paris with the.

Speaker A

With Notre Dame being reopened, certainly Egypt and their Ministry of Culture and their museums.

Speaker A

Gosh.

Speaker A

What else?

Speaker A

China and the Great Wall of China.

Speaker B

That Great Wall is so cool.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

So I think that should be in that top.

Speaker B

Like, that should be one of the seven Wonders.

Speaker B

That thing's pretty amazing.

Speaker A

I believe it is.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker B

We'll have to talk about those sometime, too.

Speaker A

We should.

Speaker A

We should do a whole episode on the seven Wonders of the World, and which ones still are there?

Speaker B

Which ones are still pretty easy to go see.

Speaker C

Yeah.

Speaker A

Well, ladies and gentlemen, we hope that we've brought a little bit of excitement and magic into your world.

Speaker A

And thank you so much for tuning in.

Speaker A

This has been another episode of the Lost Treasures podcast.

Speaker A

I'm John Scheele.

Speaker B

I'm Adam Means.

Speaker A

Thanks for tuning in, folks.

Speaker A

We'll see you soon.

Speaker C

Sam.