So much of problems that we have in healing

is because we're conditioned to think that the pain we've gotten

used to feeling is who we are. It's not who you are. Who you

are is the opposite of your pain. The purpose of your pain

is to tell you something didn't work for you. But then, because

we're we get habituated. You can't change your childhood

environment as a cage, one you like. Don't even know how to

speak your needs as a kid. You just know something feels bad.

Like adults help to help you with that. No one helps you just

get feelings stuck in your body. They stay there. You're

conditioned to feel them. You think it's who you are, and then

you you go through this reinforcement loop that, because

you have certain feelings and beliefs, you attract and match

to them, it was never who you were, yeah, ever like this is my

whole system, right? You have to understand them and process them

because they were signals of dysfunction in the environment,

not dysfunction in you. Hello,

beautiful. I am so excited for you to hear this

week's episode before we jump in, I want to tell you a little

bit about this very special guest, this magical medicine

woman healer. Medicine woman came into my life in Costa Rica

in 2021 and I have worked with a lot of healers in my life, and

she has developed this system that blew me away, and so many

changes started happening in my life after working with her. So

I think I can even look back and say that perhaps me, so

effortlessly moving to Greece on a whim was partly because of her

and the work I did with her, we did some really, really deep

healing. So she's developed her own system that incorporates

working with subconscious beliefs, body wisdom,

neuroscience, emotional trauma, turning your sensitivities into

your superpower. She's worked with 1000s of people all over

the world. She's very renowned in her healing, and just has

some really high level perspectives on how to start

taking your love life into your own hands and completely up

level your standards and shift how you're doing dating and

relationships. So this is an episode that I think all women

should hear, and of course, like deepening into that spiritual

self is such a big part of it, and she's just just has such a

magical frequency, you'll be able to feel it, I'm sure, and

he'll hear it from the episode. So I'm very excited for you to

hear this episode. Share it with any woman who you know could

benefit and let me know how it lands. Lots of love. Hello,

beautiful. Welcome to the new truth podcast. I am so excited

to share this incredibly beautiful guest with you today.

Hi, Shelly. Shelly and I met in Nosara Costa Rica. When was that

20? It would have been 2021, 2121 Yeah, yeah. It was like

COVID times I escaped I escaped Canada. You escaped Canada. You

escaped Canada. Everyone Canada. And we met in Nosara, Costa

Rica, where everyone was escaping Canada and America, and

we, I mean, you epically changed my life. I had, I don't even

remember how many healing sessions I had with you, but I

have, we did it weekly for a while, and I have all the

recordings. I should go back and listen to them. We did a healing

session every week, my first, my first time to know. So I was

there for two and a half months, and I just turned 40, and I

remember like it was fucking changing my life every week. It

was so like the most powerful healing, and I'd experienced all

healing at that point I'd worked with. So I was a business coach

for woo, woo healers back then, and I done it all. So it was

like the most mind blowing at the perfect time, just going

through a breakup, seven year breakup, and you healed my heart

in so many ways. So thanks for that first.

Thank you for receiving and showing up and

doing the work. It's, it's my honor. Yeah, I only want people

to shine in their power and their truth.

Yeah, that's very true. I just got chills. That's

very, very true about you, and that's why I'm so excited. I was

definitely divinely called to have Shelly on the podcast. I'm

so happy to have you here and to share you with everyone, because

you you really live a life of magic and conviction and getting

to the root of whatever is in the way. And you shine. You're

so sparkly and magical and radiant and and I believe we're

all not. I believe we are all that, yeah, and that's available

to all of us. So this episode ignites the hearts and the the

inspire women everywhere, and

give you the courage to do the excavation

work, yes, hard, because you know healthy relationships,

whether it's like you with your healed self and learning what

that is, and you building healthy relationships around you

that call you into your healed self, like give us. A strength,

you know, to do that deep excavation work and affirm like,

oh, wait, I do get more. Oh, wait, there is another side of

this wound or this pain or this grief that, like, my survival

system is like, don't go there. Yes. And so I there's so much

power in conversations and in holding each other and helping

us have the courage to, like, confront our deepest wounds and

rewrite the story and re embody the story, and like, celebrate

that. And you know, know that it's and ground it, and it's a

fact that we're claiming about our lives. That's how we get to

the sparkly and magic. And thank you for seeing that in me. And

it's, it's, it's, I just think that the everyone has courage

within them, just sometimes you need a little help knowing you

do well said. So beautiful. Yeah, it's, I think

of so this title How to finally let go of talk. I love writing

titles for podcast episodes. It's one of my favorite things.

How to finally let go of toxic relational patterns so you can

experience Healthy Love. This is every like so many women, of

course, our parents weren't given manuals on how to raise us

in a healthy way, or they were not healed most for the most

part. So so many women have these toxic patterns, and they

keep attracting unhealthy love, or they keep not being able to

receive love, like, there's just so much. So let's actually start

with you. If, okay, that's okay, all right, I would love to hear

a little bit about like, so you're when I reached out to

you, you were like, Oh, this is the perfect time to be on the

new truth, because I've been really healing a lot of old

patterns around love, and that's been the area that you've been

now focusing on, because you said you focus on career for so

long, and so I would love to hear a little bit about, like,

what were your relationships like before you healed your

patterns? And, yeah, tell us

your story. So I learned I had a fearful,

avoidant and mixed attachment style. I never knew that my

whole life, and for me, do you want

to explain what that is first? Oh, sorry, not

everyone knows attachment styles. We've

done one or two. So people can be avoidant,

meaning you run from intimacy, like it's your fear. Anxious is

like, you cling. You're like, please stay. Don't leave me

right? And a lot of times anxious and avoidance attract

each other and can like this is just a very messy, complicated

cycle, but that's anxiety ridden for everyone, one person just

shuts down, and the other person gets anxious and chases. I

learned I had, it's also called mixed or disorganized. I thought

I was just career focused. I remember making the decision in

high school that I was watching these girls crying about guys

that broke their hearts. And I was like, that will never be me.

You're not gonna end up with these guys. I'm like, you're

taking time away from achievement. And I just focused

on achievement because I could, I could do anything. I was very

goal and career oriented, and that was very much, actually,

like impact was very much my intention coming into this life.

I didn't come in with, like, I relationship goals, um, I came

in to create impact. And so as i i I went through a very after

reaching a career peak and my best work ever, like billing at

10k a week, base expenses being flown all over the world, having

the privilege of what I say God working through me to facilitate

medical miracles. I'm working on $200 million deals. Like my body

crashed. I pushed it too hard, and I got COVID. And bad I got

COVID, and my heart almost stopped. I was given the choice

to exit this life, and I chose to stay, and I made my intention

for the rest of it. I saw it was career before I'd done

everything I came here to do, and the rest I was like, I just

want to know what love is. Wow. Want to experience love in this

lifetime. And so then became the deep excavation into

understanding attachment wounds, why I hadn't been able to

prioritize a relationship that I was actually avoidant. I didn't

know that. I thought I was anxious before, but not

prioritizing available people.

Oh yeah, that's major avoidance. That's

major avoidant. And then holding on to like the

person you think is, like your soulmate, and you're like,

completely in love with. You're like, I'm just gonna be patient.

I'm just gonna do my work. And you're like, naming it as being

like, spiritual and loving, when you're like, wait. But this

isn't honoring myself and this isn't honoring my work. So I did

a very, very deep dive on, like, letting go. I had to let go of

my family. I

had to, like, wait, wait, I need to pause you for a

sec. So, so just to describe the anxious avoidant, so the

avoidant feels very clear. So you were avoidant when you were

like, I'm focused on career. I don't need love at all. But then

when a guy came along that you liked, you would become anxious.

Is that? You were a little bit of both.

I became anxious, yeah, when I learned I broke

someone's heart. I remember when I was 25 Yeah, in London, and I

was like, Oh, I'm never doing that again. It was just so

great. It was an accident. I was I pulled a player move. I was

rotating, alternating.

Everything is welcome here on the new chair.

I'm young. Shelley. I love you so much.

And I remember I broke his heart, and he was a

good one. And I was like, I'm never going to do that again. I

will never rotate through guys, because I'm being avoidant and

not wanting to break my heart. So I opened my heart, but I

wasn't opening it to healed love. I was opening it from my

attachment point at that place, right, which is like repeating

your trauma cycles that you don't know are there at the time

until you do the work. So what I would attract from my open heart

was avoidant people, so not wanting to hurt them, because I

would hang on. Once I let them in, I would hang on thinking I

was being loving and spiritual, but that's self abandonment. And

so I worked very hard to develop secure love. I crushed it in

business. I learned how to hold my worth right, and it's like,

okay, like, I had to work really hard to be like, no, no, your

heart just who you are as a human. Strip out accomplishment

is worth being treated like a queen. That's it. You don't earn

you don't prove, you don't hang on. You don't work through these

like attachment systems that you have as a baby. Because we need

connection as a baby. We need to hold on to our caregivers. We

can't regulate our emotions. We need them to feed us, you know.

So they're so primal, and they trigger you beyond conscious

recognition, to hold on to people that mirror your parents

and you think that's love, and you think that's safe. And when

you go to let go of that, you have to confront grief. You have

to confront aloneness. There's no instant dopamine hit from

like, staying on a fantasy of like, this person's finally

gonna like mirror the energy of your parents and making them

love you in the way you needed to be loved. It doesn't mean

they didn't love you, feel love for you, right? It's just felt

in the way they loved. That's work. And then changing your

compass to not only learn the qualities of Healthy Love for

you, but then to find that, like, hot and sexy and

attractive is everything for me, like women have learned to take

charge of business. Okay, let's go a level deeper and take

charge of, like, what's hot for us, right? And then you can come

in forward to rise and meet you. Go ahead. I

was just going to say to your So, to the sovereign

woman inside that the the healthy adult version of you,

Healthy Love. I mean that part does is attracted to Healthy

Love, the part that's attracted to toxic relationships and toxic

situations and toxic dynamics, really, because everyone plays a

part. There's so much conversation about what I love

about the the attachment styles is you're looking at both parts

being toxic, and it's the dynamic. It's not, oh, the

narcissists are the toxic ones. It's like you're in a

relationship with a narcissist because there you're in your

pattern too, right? You're you're playing the other side.

You're sacrificing your fantasy, you're Yes, and

that's so I think. Thank you for bringing

that up. There's so subconscious patterns, right? Our

subconscious mind runs 90 to 95% of all thoughts this programming

is largely set from zero to seven. It's also set through

shock, so trauma and repetition. So we have these default

emotional experiences running our beliefs and what we're

attracted to behind the scenes. We can't even see them. So you

like without having done the work to like excavate, we only

tend to find their problems when we end up in toxic

relationships, and we're like, how did that happen? I was like,

really in love, right? It's like, when we get to a problem,

we're like, what is my part attraction wise? Okay, there's

very real experience of being a victim. I'm not minimizing that.

But when we come through it, it's like, okay, how do I do the

work to like shift whatever point of attraction I had for

this experience, we have to look at what beliefs made me think

this was hot, like attractive, and is gonna match with whatever

your emotional experience was. It doesn't matter if someone

else in your house growing up. Had a completely different

experience. It's irrelevant. It's whatever your experience

was, you're going to be attracted to that trauma loop

over and over again trying to resolve it. And it can feel like

hell, right? You get this hit from the dopamine of like, Oh,

they're going to love me. Oh, I'm just going to hang on it.

It's addictive, or the fantasy, maybe they're not even showing

up for you, but the story that they will feel so much better

than the grief of them not being there that you hang on, that's

not love, but it's not a delusion that needs blaming.

Like, don't ever blame yourself as if you if you do that,

because we all need love, we all need connection, but we need

help to understand where this is coming from. A lot of it's not a

conscious choice, right? It is your precious inner child trying

to feel loved.

And if you don't know how to love her, how are

you gonna break the show she's running, the show she's

running? So you're choosing from your

wounds, and you need to one learn your choosing from your

wounds, but not judge that part. Yes. And then we have to learn

how to build up our healed self. I know you call her the heroine.

You're saying, like, how does she come into relationship with

our wound to give him or her or them the security they're

looking for, right? That's a re patterning so that there is a

towards of healthy connection, not through a fantasy, because

the only way you're getting your needs met

right that I'm still, I'm still start are not

stuck, but like, I was so impacted by what you said about

I don't, I'm going to paraphrase, but when you said

the thing about how The fantasy, even though he's not showing up,

the fantasy of him showing up feels so good and actually feel,

yeah, it's like the way the child cell sooses makes up a

fantasy in her mind about what's happening, instead of actually

feels the pain of what's actually happening. And that's

where the survival that is such a great explanation of that what

I teach these saboteur archetypes, and one of them is a

fantasy addict, and that is such a beautiful explanation of why

the fantasy feels better, but it also creates hell internally

because, because the person's not ever meeting the fantasy. So

it's constantly expectation, disappointment over and over

again that little girl would have had as a kid, totally

and two points on this, it creates internal chaos,

like you get a high, but it's also stressful because they're

not there, right? So it's like, feels better than confronting

what is right? There's no, like, dopamine hit from that. So we

have to know why we're going through the grief, why we're

going through the aloneness, all the feelings that we don't want

to feel because we couldn't feel them as kids. If you felt all

that as a kid that your parents can't meet your needs like you'd

like you'd shut down, you have, you have to survive. So we have

these mechanisms in place to ensure our survival, but at some

point, we have to realize, hold up like we're the author of our

life. We are not the victim to what the world's giving us at

all we were we were feeling like the victim to this is the

correct emotion, or like passive, because that's your

experience as a child. So the feeling is accurate, feeling not

who you are, but then we have to shift into the creator, the

artist, whatever you want to call it, the healer, the dream

weaver of like, hold up. No, I can change what I'm attracted

to, and I can regulate myself right to soothe the trauma

wound. So I'm choosing from my healed self who's hot to my

healed self. How does she or they? How do they make decisions

in relationships? How do I regulate myself to consistently

come back to her and you're going to watch your dating

experience change. It has to because your relation, like you,

finally healed the wound, not because this magical person came

in to do it for you, because you understand the architecture of

your mind and trauma. No one can ever magically do that for you

like it's not going to happen. It's just, it's not law. You

have to embody that healing in your mind and then set it as a

pattern, to attract that as a frequency in the world, and then

you're responsible for the choices you make to move the

needle. And you can make it fun to do that. You can like, big up

yourself. We can create the chemical cocktail that gives you

that a hit, a feel good, hit, right? Which motivates you to

keep seeking reward, but from Healthy Love,

yes? Oh my gosh. This is. So powerful. I feel

like there's so many layers to this. I'm just thinking about

our conversation before we hit record, and how you're talking

about your dating experiences now. And one of the most, one of

the things that stands out the most from your shares, and you

can share whatever you want here, but what stood out the

most is that you're you said something about every person

you're attracting right now is an up level and an up level, and

keeps expanding your belief in what's possible and what you get

to experience and receive. And what I love about how you shared

it is like there isn't. So when it's healthy love, when it's

coming from that healed, healthy part of you, sovereign woman,

heroin, I love that you said, Dreamweaver, so beautiful. But

when it's coming from that part of you, that part is going to

not be attached, it's like you're going to be even if

you're three years into a relationship, you can still hold

it with your palm open and not squeeze so tight and think,

Okay, I got to make this work forever and not not be attacked

like actually, just let it organically unfold. And then

you're actually attuned when, when we're able to come from

that sovereignty in that place inside of ourselves and no

longer the Wounded Little girl, you're able to you're able to to

feel when it's not aligned anymore, and let it go, which I

think is one of the gifts of why you and I, our lives are are so

big, and we've created, I mean, you live in Costa Rica, you have

this epic business, this epic life, dating life, friends, all

the things, and me too. And it's like being able to have this

epic life, because people watch me and they're like, but you

just make decisions so quickly. And how can you do that? It's

because it's that part of me that's leading this, not

attached to the future, that trusts when I'm complete

internally with something, whatever's in the future is

going to be my next gift, my next lesson, my next experience

that I'm meant to have. And I

think it comes down to for me, a lot of the

work that preceded the dating work I did was about integ self

integrity. Like, what does that mean? Yeah,

let's talk about that. So,

a practice at a five star resort, they built me

an office. You know, the dream on the outside, but like,

emotionally was not working for me. I'll leave it there. So this

was of my first, I would say, really big moment of like only

choosing myself because I chose to leave the office, I chose to

leave everything and shut my entire business down to build a

project called empathy hills that I knew it was the only

thing I had left to do in this life. And it's a meditation

program to support highly sensitive children and your

inner child to build like the subconscious beliefs that you

need for healing. So that ended up taking off, but it was

but Okay, let's go back. Let's slow down the story

a little bit. So you're in, you're in. Can we say where you

were? Costa Rica, you also it wasn't that, just that you were

complete with this job that was perfect. On paper and this like

office in this setting and the people and the place, but you

were also complete with the place, right? So, oh, so

what I realized is, like living in the jungle

was a gift. It's crazy. You learn amazing survival skills,

and you learn to trust instincts, because, like, the

systems and the infrastructure aren't there. So I'm so grateful

for everything there. But I realized to live in chaos like

that, you have to have a level of trauma in your root chakra to

just agree to keep surviving. It's like, cool, I can survive

crazy things, amazing, but I'm so healed, like I'm protecting

my root chakra very important for relational work too. Like

your literal root chakra, that's where you let people in, like,

sexually, right? Protect it at all costs. Because you're so

valuable as you are. I need to say that. Again, you are so

valuable as you are. There was nothing worth compromising that

for ever, ever, and your body will hold you accountable. Mine

did. I started develop severe allergies to the point I was

going through anaphylaxis, approaching anaphylaxis, my

apologies. So it was like, no, no, no, this invite. I'm too

healed to keep going through this. Let me go where it's

stable and less cool people are like, what are you what are you

doing? Where are you going? You know, I moved to San Jose, the

capital. I loved the place I went to. I love the friendships

I have here. It's like it wasn't a thing you did, but it was an

integrity with myself. And then my career took off. Like I over

quadrupled my income and the impact, you know, I started

remotely changing bodies. That's a gift from God, like, so

it's she means healing people remotely. People

can't wrap their heads around that often, like the long

distance healing. But I had, I had a session the other day, and

it's why you'll have powerful distance healing. Is people,

yeah,

and I had to build the empathy heals program

first, which, like rewires your subconscious mind for calm,

safety, open heart, compassion, empathy, and attunes you to my

frequency. So it sets the neurological tracks in the

background that I can just then go in and kind of remotely

change things, or it just puts the foundation in place so

you're not trying to heal on top of this, only architecture of

trauma, right? Have to like they want me to say that again, so

you're not like tinkering with your conscious mind only trying

to make these sweeping changes, so much of which you can't see.

So like, let's get the tracks in your subconscious mind correct

and supportive to healing. The same is true for dating, yes.

How are you cared for when you are in pain? What do you believe

about that? How do people, do people listen to you when you

speak, or do you silence your voice? Right? These are all

beliefs that get programmed into us, and if we don't rewire them,

they're going to set our expectations for relationship.

And then it's like, well, what's wrong with me? Why can't I

attract more Well, no, what were you conditioned to believe? And

how can we support you to change those beliefs, not only through

willpower subconsciously, but re sculpting the architecture of

what like Healthy Love is and understanding you deserve. That

it's not a question, yeah, go ahead. I

was just thinking, even for people who have who

think they have healthy love, but they don't have sex with

their partner, or they have, like, a nice marriage, they get

along, but they don't really share vulnerably like I think, I

think in the scripted old paradigm of relationship, where

people are in it for a really long time, a lot of people think

they have healthy love, but let's even define what is

healthy love, because there is so much deeper and more you can

have. So even if you think, Oh, I don't have toxic

relationships, my friends do I have good relationships. But is

good? Mundane? Is good? Your, your your roommates, like, what?

What is what actually defines Healthy Love?

This is a beautiful question. The first

instinct I'm getting is it nourishes your heart. Obviously,

yes, obviously. But even deeper than that, I think, is

permission to grow, because what you find at Healthy Love at a

certain level of the work, and what you find healthy love three

months later, six months later, it should be evolving. The more

work you do on yourself, the more your standards should raise

right, the more conscious you can become about your

communication, your needs. So I think healthy love not only

honors your heart and honors your body and honors your

boundaries, right? It lets you be you. Yes, honors your path,

yes, Freedom just to be yourself. It doesn't trap you or

control you or hold you down. And I think the most important

thing for Healthy Love is where you're choosing from, from.

I say that over and over again, that is everything

for every, everything for everything. Where are you

choosing from? You

can take a relationship with a good

foundation, healthy foundation, whatever you want to call that,

but who you're being in the relationship, who you're both

being, but let's just talk for you, dictates the direction it

takes. So you're not only responsible for choosing from

your healed self or like, obviously we're gonna have

meltdowns and get triggered, and it's a beautiful way to see

like, Oh, wow. Let me heal that. Yes, to come to become a more

healed version of myself, relationships are like the best

container for inner work in my experience, or to up level your

vibration, because you can't hide.

I like up leveling. I always say I don't like the

word work because I'm like work. It's just like, that's the

opposite of work. It's like, it's it takes commitment and

devotion, but the you're upgrading and use, you use that

language a lot upgrade. It's like you're upgrading your

system, like, like a software program, we get to keep

upgrading and upgrading and upgrading and upgrading and

upgrading every time you're willing to go in and love the

that wounded part, but be able to be with her from the other,

from the sovereign woman, from the heroin, from the the dream

Weaver,

and have the maturity and the discipline

about okay, I'm triggered right now. I'm feeling some heat,

right? But I'm I'm going to pause, I'm going to take a

minute, and I'm going to choose, or even throughout the dating

process, it doesn't, you don't even need to be in a

relationship with this to apply. This applies to like, every

choice about attraction and love, period. Yes, like, Okay,

where am I choosing from? That's your response, once you can see

the difference between the wound right in your heel itself and

you started to cultivate her, which we all need some help

with, right? So, like, Please receive help with that. If

you're like, right? Because we all need help seeing our blind

spots. We all. Have them from trauma, once you have the

ability to understand what your healed self is, your

responsibility to move through the addictive impulses of trauma

that are like, hang on, it's gonna feel so good. I'm in a

fantasy, right? Getting your emotional needs met through like

dopamine spikes in the present moment versus having the

discipline just like finances, okay, you want to build money in

your bank account and have a good relationship with money,

well, that takes discipline right to go for the long term

reward for me, same in Healthy Love, understand, there's a long

term reward coming from like the discipline to consistently

choose right? Not go for the instant dopamine hit. Choose

your healed self always. Don't break your relationship with

her,

yeah, oh, I love that so much. Don't break your

relationship. Do

that because you don't know how to get your needs

met in this moment. If you can't do that, then we need to help

you get through the pain that's preventing you from being able

to do that like and please, let us help you, because once you

recalibrate this relationship, it ripples what we were talking

about across every aspect of your life. Every time I held my

worth and dating, I get more money in my bank account. It was

amazing. Oh, wow. All I did was be like, No, I get better, but

I'm valuing myself. Yes. What's interesting? I went from a

dating dynamic I thought he was my person. Like, oh, my god, he

was like, the perfect person for my trauma. My trauma. Loved him

so much,

and I honor him little Shelley's like, oh,

like, she was like, This is it. I love her,

and I love that dynamic so much, because there was no better

healing container for me than to, like, see the resistance to

actual love than that. Because, you know, when it's that

intense, everything's magnified. And then as I learned what I

deserved, and slowly up, leveled my beliefs, eventually we just

ended. And I went from same day, one to the next, and the guys

kept increasing in vibration, being so conscious in their

communication, right? I'm in a pretty good situation right now,

which I'm gonna I'm gonna hold, yeah, but it a much, not pretty

good, a much better situation that required me to get really

comfortable with commitment, stop my avoidant tendencies, and

be like, no, no, you're safe. You're safe. And

when we let go of that story, like the person,

like, Oh, it's my person shows up that idea that the person is

forever, that's part of the problem, because it's like,

you're safe right now. And it's that holding it right the open,

non attachment. But that can only if I could say

one thing, yes, that follows choosing from your healed self,

yes, right? Attachment comes from your unhealed self.

Obviously, there's a like connection, a degree of

attachment within a relationship. I feel like, yes,

but it's like, I would call it bonding, deep bonding, and but

if you need the certainty that they're going to be in this for

you for forever, for you to trust you're okay in the

relationship, where's your security coming from? Bring it

from your healed self. Be that open container. Let them love

you deeply in this moment whilst communicating your boundaries

and standards. Yes, they have to rise to meet that. That doesn't

mean you don't have standards, let me be exceptionally clear

about that, but it means you let them rise to meet it, right? You

don't not communicate them because you're afraid you won't

be heard, and that's your conditioning. You don't people

please and not speak up, or you don't hang on because you're

afraid of them losing you. No, I'm in a good relationship with

myself. I trust I am worthy of love. There's not one person

that gives me love in my whole life. Such lack,

yeah, such lack mentality and that, though, just

that, the idea, like, I just think you know when you have

yourself, you know that it everything just gets better, and

life gets better and and, and when you trust, when, when you

and the more the longer you're on this path of coming from that

healed self and being able to work with these younger wounded

parts, which, you know, I still have. They still come up. They

still are still better, yes, unless they still arise. And

both of us have been on this journey a really long time, but

it's like, over time, you just develop so much evidence that

life has you that it's only going to get better. You're only

going to meet more aligned people, more a lot, and you're

you become, like, more willing to let things fall away.

Would you agree? Yeah, two points on that the

evidence is so key. Right? This is why, when you're in the first

learning of the new pattern, we have to reinforce with evidence

from your healed self, even if it's like, you're the best, you

so deserve this. You're the best at letting unhealthy love.

You're so good at letting people adore you and step up and meet

your standards, and they're so secure, and they love choosing

you all the time. You're so chosen, like you can flood the

part of you that's like, I don't know, I don't have evidence that

this is how you can flood it, to give it the evidence which makes

it easy to be more secure in that belief, which creates

secure

attachment, so creating it within yourself,

and you can flood it, you know, your mind doesn't

know the difference between what you tell it is happening, what's

actually happening? So let's help it along, and let's help

those new right neurons connect and form to create that new

belief, which takes energy and repetition. Okay, you can do

that. It's not hard because you can't do it. It's hard because

it's new and like, there's a formula you can follow to create

new beliefs and make them easy. The second part I wanted to say,

are

you going to tell us a formula, or is this a

formula?

Well, it's just, it's just repetition. I mean, it

takes three weeks of consistent act, at least three weeks, at

least three weeks of like repetition to create a new

habit, right? So it's the same for any belief process. So

that's it. Don't expect yourself to magically be able to do this

on day one. You have to consistently do it, and that's

why I created empathy heals the meditation programs to automate

it for you do your homework, right? But it's built on the

architecture because, like, help you build the foundation of calm

and safety in your nervous system before we go into any

trauma regulation. Because I don't see like if you have a bad

memory come up, for example, because our body will try to

flush out pain right as we increase in vibration. But I

don't want anyone going into that until they have the

foundational beliefs to self soothe.

Self soothing. That's such a good word. That's

it. That's what you're doing when, when she's activated and

she wants the hit of doping, means she wants the text from

the guy. She wants to reach out, she wants to see him one more

time. Oh, I see closure. Oh, just need to see him one more

time. I just need to. It's like those moments when you learn how

to self soothe. That is it. That's such a beautiful word.

And I actually built a 26 minute compassionate

to give you empathy for whenever you're going through pain or

hard moment. Oh, you can't outsource it. If you can't get

there yourself, you can just play the meditation. So it's

giving you the soothing right until that becomes so normal,

like I my intention. I'm getting off to I'm going to go back to

my other point, which is about receiving in a moment. Yes, yes,

these do pair together, like, extremely well. I want it to be

normal for your inner child or for actual children, which has

become a huge area of my work with the mamas too, to like,

know that they get soothing when they're in pain,

which is what so many didn't get,

right. And so why are we waiting until we have

crises, like mental health crises, and then, like, fumble

through the dark trying to learn these skills, when, if you

understand how the mind's programmed, you can build it in

from a young age and automate it. And the best part is the

whole family will heal from this. So you can do this for

your own inner child too, and it puts you in the energy of

receiving love. Because masculine and feminine, we both

have these energies. They're both so powerful, so part of the

healed self discipline structure, what do I deserve?

Holding that discipline right to like, not let your trauma run

your life or dictate what's attractive to you sexually, like

you actually can change that. That changed my life. That was

probably I do this in sessions too. Like, make like, what's hot

for you? Like, let a guy who like treats you well, be like,

super sexy. Make it the hottest thing ever. Okay, the next part

is receiving. You don't have to work to be loved. And that goes

back to that non attachment piece. Let them meet you, right?

Let them come if you need to up level, right? You're holding

your worth. Give them space. Let them come towards you. That's

secure. You're literally embodying security there. And if

you're unsure about whether they're going to come, so you're

holding on, you're needing, like, quick feedback. Quick

Feedback. You need to make sure to what are you telling the

universe? I'm not sure you're not embodying secure, stable

love. So how are you going to call it forward in your life?

That is so beautiful, and I just am feeling

the energy of when you told the story about leaving your job,

especially. They are leaving the office, and the fancy every

wellness space, and the Nosara and life, and the life that

looked good on the outside, that like when you told me that story

before we hit record, is so it was so powerful. And I just felt

this like, Oh, I'm committed and devoted to myself and my truth,

and that's it. And this is the new truth podcast is like this.

What the whole podcast is about is that every choice you make is

for you, not for and not extracting feeling good enough

from the world around you, because you'll never get it. The

performance will never it will just reinforce your trauma over

and over and over. Yes, you have

to, and you have to remember like the most

illuminating thing about moving here is because I just loved it.

I felt so safe. I knew my root chakra was protected, so my body

didn't lie. The feeling I got in this place was like, obviously,

the safer and more grounded and healthy my root chakra is, the

more abundance I'm going to grow. It's, it's those two

vibrations are coherent. So of course, even though I went from

completely slashing my income to almost zero for a few months, of

course, I quadrupled it, right, right? Because it's coherent.

And if you don't trust yourself, and you trust society's

correction, what you've been conditioned to do, yes, more

than you trust yourself, you're never going to outgrow your

conditioning, and it's never going to you're never going to

feel just home and able to be yourself. And it was really the

most interesting thing for correction. The hardest part

about the move for me was I was so proud of myself. It was like

the I felt like, I was like, Okay, this is it. Because I

always had external validation. Image for me, used to be safety,

right? If everything looked pretty, I was safe. I grew up in

the horse world, show world, right? And it's a lot of my

family's conditioning, and it's very pervasive within at least

like North American society, right? So to really only have

allegiance to my root chakra was just a huge moment for me, of

like and to watch who fell away from my life because they were

uncomfortable. It was like people I thought were my closest

friends were really uncomfortable with me. Oh,

that's going against the grain.

Yes, this is important moment. Keep going

from this point, really women, a lot of women, when they start to

wake up and they start to listen to that inner compass, there,

they get so challenged by their people in their lives, and want

to hold on to those old relationships that too holding

on. So

this is really important. Whether you're doing

the change in your dating life or it's just the relationship

with self that was probably the hardest part for me, because we

all need support circles, right? Or you have people who are your

people, but it's like, Wait, how much of you was my people

because I made you comfortable based on like, the success or

the image I had crafted, right? That's not being my people,

and you're moving to new frequencies, and so

you're gonna, like, some people let go with you, and some people

will fall away, and then you attract new ones,

but you never lost Exactly. So the only thing

I got was better friends, like, ride or die. I have the best

girlfriends here. There's one girl in my building. I love her

so much. She is like, the most protective female friend I have

ever had in my life. Wow, like a friendship that has just healed

me beyond she won't let me dip in my self worth. She's like, I

am your self worth monitor.

Oh, I love that. Everyone needs a self worth

monitor. Friend, that's amazing,

but there's no people pleasing, because I had

broken that myself, so obviously I'm going to track that back in

the relationships I get and the ones I lost. It's like, you

don't I didn't actually lose anything. There's still moments

of grief sometimes where I'm like, Oh, I love that person. I

wish we were still close. But I can see they're trapped. They're

trapped in society, correction, conditioning, of like, behaving,

doing everything, having the perfect image, no. So there is

that challenge of like people are going to fall back. And

there are people versions of you loved. And I think letting

yourself reformulate what love is in that moment, and you're

allowed to be really proud of yourself for back to this word

courage, for having the courage to hold for more and build more

and not let your attachment to your old support network

actually hinder you

or to anything. Yeah, and I think to the to the

saboteur mind, the ego mind. It's like so afraid to let go in

fear that nothing else is coming. And like we talked about

earlier, like you just collect so much more evidence over your

the further, the deeper you go within yourself in this

relationship, and operating from that healed self, as you said,

and having the healed self, love the little self, the. It, the

deeper you go, the easier it gets, because you just have so

much evidence. It's like, you know, more people are coming the

right aligned and it's gonna feel better than it did before,

because it's coming from your deepest, purest, most aligned

self,

totally. And I think there's, there's also a

really important step that can help you understand where the

saboteur voice is this coming from? For me, it's like the ego

part of our mind. It's the survival part of our mind that

only looks backwards in time. So if we're just listening to that

voice, we think it's the truth, because it's like fear and it's

strong, but it's like, wait, wait, that's the fear part of my

mind. That's the survival part of my mind that only knows

what's possible based on history. So of course, it

doesn't think this can happen, like you're correct based on my

history, like your voice is correct. So we don't make it

wrong. We're not gonna project it onto the present moment. We

just contextualize it so it can relax. We're like, thank you so

much for trying to help me. You're doing like, such a good

job of, like, remembering my history. I know you only want me

to be safe, but I'm good, because I'm creating from all

possibilities right now, not just my history, right? That

once you get there, then we can start to like, like I said,

build the like you're saying, build the evidence. I'm like,

big up the healed reality. And so you claim it as your truth.

Big up. Love it. Yeah, until it's like, fun and it feels

good, so excited about it, and you know you got it, and you can

feel it in your body. And you claim that as your truth. I

think so much of problems that we have in healing is because

we're conditioned to think that the pain we've gotten used to

feeling is who we are. It's not who you are. Who you are is the

opposite of your pain. The purpose of your pain is to tell

you something didn't work for you, but then, because we're we

get habituated. You can't change your childhood environment as a

kid, one you like, don't even know how to speak your needs as

a kid, you just know something feels bad, like adults have to

help you with that. No one helps you. Just get feelings stuck in

your body. They stay there. You're conditioned to feel them.

You think it's who you are, and then you you go through this

reinforcement loop that because you have certain feelings and

beliefs. You attract and match to them. It was never who you

were, yeah, ever like, this is my whole system, right? You have

to understand them and process them because they were signals

of dysfunction in the environment, not dysfunction in

you. And until you can process them like, like, I said,

Separate your identity, validate them, and then move yourself

into your truth, which is the opposite. That's the purpose of

pain to be like, don't do that. Like, it would be super weird if

we felt great about people degrading us. That would be a

very bad guidance system, right? So they're trying to work,

right? But there's just survival patterning mixed in with it to

help us like belong in the tribe. So you just have to

understand how this is all wired together, so you can get back to

your truth. Have the courage to blame that and understand that

the only person who can define your truth is you.

Right. No one's coming to rescue you.

But also, like no one knows better than you, it's

the opposite of your pain. So like, for example, leaving

nosada in that office, I didn't need a five another to have

another five star resort lined up

to to know I was making the right choice. I had the security

in my nervous system, right? I didn't. I didn't have the doubt

that was like, oh, I need to make sure it takes this box and

this box of this box, and I'm good, no, I already felt it

right. So, yeah, so it was my truth. That's all I needed. And

I got there from doing so much trauma work, like, from having

so much trauma happen in that environment that I just knew. So

I think trauma, if I can say something like trauma, is never

something to run from. It's hard and like, for anyone going

through it, I'm really sorry. And when you have the tools to

work through it. Your superpowers are on the other

side of it. I swear to God. I like, swear to God. And your

liberation, yeah?

And you've witnessed that over and over and

over again, not just in your own life, but in Al, the amazing

humans you've helped facilitate healing on the planet with. And

you've facilitated a lot of fucking

Yeah, but to me, that's it. Like Earth is a great

school. It's hard here. Like if you came here to do healing, not

everyone came here to do healing, and that's okay if

you're a sensitive soul and you came here to do healing, Earth

can feel really hard. It can feel like the map you were

given, just like does not. Work. Like, why? Like, what? Why do I

hurt so much and like, why am I trying to make a change? And

it's not happening. But once you start to understand your

conditioning and how you can change it, then you it's like,

the confidence you will develop in yourself from doing hard

things, and the self trust that you can actually ask for more

and hold it and demand it, and the universe will bring it to

you. You're not only elevating your own life, you're you're

changing the frequency on earth of what's possible, and that,

for me is the ascension. Work like it's one choice at a time.

I love the word elevating. Elevating so

beautiful. And we elevate everyone around us. Even some

people will be confronted, but sometimes the confrontation

leads them into their own healing or their own spiral that

leads them somewhere. But we're we're planting seeds regardless,

like,

totally, totally, and that's really important.

I've had the experience of stepping into my biggest power

and people that were the closest to me trying to bring me down,

destroy me. It's one of the hardest things I've ever gone

through. Back to my learnings about love, but it really

illuminated me how much societal conditioning or attachment

wounds can try to keep us safe by clinging to what we've known.

Because to let go of like some of your deepest connections, to

choose actual love is not an easy feat. I don't want to make

light of it. It's hard, but confidence comes from hard

things, and true happiness comes from just knowing you have good

relationships and healthy relationships in your life that

you have built. They're not trauma driven. And you can also

let people not be healed. You can let them have pain because

no one trying to sabotage you is a bad person, like at all, they

just have pain that they're probably not even aware of,

right? That's no important, it. They're not bad,

not about you.

And so that's when you know you're really

healed, when you can, like, hold a boundary, right? And also

understand why not everyone can join you in your reality. It's

their own pain, or they just don't want to heal, and that's

okay. Yeah, yeah, it's okay.

So important. So this is so beautiful. Okay, so

let's summarize everything, like the top, the top three. So you

said the first, I'm trying to remember the first one. Second

one was receiving. What was the first one about

boundaries, holding your worth, holding your

worth, so knowing the difference between your trauma, self,

driving patterns, yeah, yourself. And the great thing

about really hard things is they show you right, your trauma

wounds, right? So we can, we can totally bless every dating

challenge you have. We love it because it's going to give us

the grounds to ask excavate and be like, Okay, how did this

happen? Okay? So trauma self wound itself, who they love

versus who healed self loves. Then hold your worth. Learn the

standards. What are you holding for? And your healed self is

going to do really good job of it. Then receive. Step through

receive. You gotta let it come. You gotta let it breathe. Non

attachment is you so beautifully embody Kate like it, I feel like

you've completely mastered this frequency 100% so for everyone

listening, she lives at 100% right? It's hard to do, so I

respect it greatly. Just let the highest form of love in your

current vibration find you.

Yes, expanded love, yeah, and I think, I imagine,

you have a similar experience. The more we the more we expand

into all those beautiful, loving places within ourselves, the

more expansion we have in all areas of our lives. So then

we're less attack, we get become less attached when you're more

full inside of yourself, when you when you're satiated in all

the ways. Because you're doing workshops you love, you're doing

practices you love, you're going to classes you love, you're

hanging out in neighborhoods, you're living neighborhoods.

You're living in an area that feels super aligned, like me and

Kenya and you and your neighborhood. It's all like,

this is what happens, is like, the more we listen and our

bodies like you and I were talking about before we hit

record, you had allergies at that other place, and you severe

allergies, like screaming at you, I was gonna move in with a

friend, like, when I'm in Kenya, like, leave my stuff there. And

I went for one night, and I the next day, I had eczema under my

eye and five pimples, and I was like, what? And so our bodies

are so intelligent. They're part, I think let's talk about

this for a little bit. They're part of the in. Cater of the

toxic relational dynamics or the situations or places or

whatever.

Yes, and it's having the courage, the

attunement to one, listen to them, because if you grew up in

an environment that invalidated your emotions, you learn to

suppress your truth, to follow what you're taught to do. It

helps you survive, but also teaches you a fundamental

distrust or devaluation of your needs and your body. And the

more sensitive you are, the more painful it is to experience

this, and the more important it is that you listen, because the

more sensitive you are emotionally, and a lot of

healers, right, have high sensitivity, it's a gift, but

the cost of not listening is higher. Word of listening is

higher. So one the courage to listen to your body and let it

guide you. It will never steer you wrong. I mean, I have a

whole other experience. I had a brain injury at 21 and drop out

of school like and I could see energy and feel everyone's

bodies and all their pain. It took me a long time to

understand what this was and how to heal, and that I couldn't

follow society's script anymore. Obviously, there's layers of

external validation. I still have to heal, but I've only been

allowed to be a healer since then, I was never at my body

would not work in an office. Despite having like, an Oxford

degree and being a published researcher in public health, it

was like, nope, right? So what I've learned from this is, even

if it's scary to listen to your body, it will never lie to you

ever. So listen

and there's a there's a distinguishing point.

And I get asked this a lot, I've started to notice people's

physical hand gestures when they're talking from the pattern

versus from the body. Because, because one thing I just noticed

it at my last immersion, I was like, oh, like, when they say,

Oh, that's a no for me, but you put your hand out or you, you're

in the future. You're putting your hands in front of you.

That's your pattern talking. It's resistance versus the no in

your body. You point at your body, or when something's a yes

in your body, people put their hands on their hearts. They're

like, Oh, that feels so good. It's so fascinating. It Yeah, it

was just a sudden I was super plugged in at the last

immersion. And I was like, whoa. I just started seeing things I'd

never noticed before. But that's one thing I want to distinguish,

because our body never leads us astray. However, your mind, your

stories in your mind, will create feelings in your body.

So, for example, like, when you're in fantasy love, and then

your body feels these chemicals, and you're like, my body's

talking to me, You must be the one. There's no like, you know,

there's no script that comes along with the body feelings.

It's like, it's it. Can you talk about that? Because that's so

important.

Kate, this is an amazing point. Thank you for

bringing this up. And this is one of the most confusing things

about dating. Yeah, I swear to God, right. So this is where we

really have to understand what addiction feels like to the

Fantasy Versus your truth. Those are two different feelings,

intuition versus fantasy addiction. This is why for me,

take what feels true for you. We need very objective criteria,

standards. You could call them standards of what a healthy love

relationship, dating dynamic

is and feels like

yes, but also like the the true for me, it

starts with just like, is it taking its time? Are you feeling

rushed? Oh, yeah, right, healthy. Love is slow, but it's

consistent, right? When you voice your need, do they

respond? Are they pushing timelines on you right, or

letting it evolve in its own pace, but showing up

consistently? Are they honoring your needs? Does your heart feel

listened to and safe and held right? People will only reveal

themselves over time. Everyone wants to look great,

yes, and everyone also wants to rush it

because, but that's from lack Yes. So there's

this balance between consistency. For me, it has to

be consistent. That's, that's one of my standards, right? But

not rushed.

I love these standards. They're so yummy.

There's, they're

essential, because it gives you the

framework to listen from, okay? So if you have a framework, and

you can have these kind of objective standards, right, that

you can come back to and be like, does do? I feel like

they're doing this, and then watch when you're going into a

story that's from your trauma, oh, they're the one for me. Oh,

we're going to be in relation. I feel so good I know this is

going to happen, or you're really anxious they're not going

to show up. So you're like, I don't know, making up other

stories about other people. Just relax. Stick to your standards.

Let them meet it. Okay. Learn. What each of those feel like. If

you don't know, go on a journey, I don't know, what does a

consistent person feel like? I'm so deserving of it. I love when

people consistently choose me and show up for me. It's the

best feeling ever. You can create it in a meditation. You

can learn the feeling and then match. If the person is that

I love that. What were the Can You Say it again?

The consistent and slow. So because I think that, yeah, it's

like, it's consistent, but spacious. I love that. Like it's

slowly, organically unfolding. It's not rushed. It's not

getting to the future, getting to the thing, yeah, but, but

it's consistent. That's how Patricio was in the beginning.

He was always consistent, but it was super spacious like that.

But I love the reason I said feel. So actually, I want to

take this another layer, because you described it like a feeling.

So one of the things I've noticed is that there's so many

teachings out there that are like, look for the red flags.

What's wrong? We're like, what look you want to look out for

the narcissist and it has women disconnected from their bodies

and in their minds, looking for who's right, who's wrong, who's

good, who's bad. So now you're disconnected from, actually,

your inner guidance, which is, has all the answers. So, but the

way you describe that, the standards, they are a feeling,

and then you so that's what I love so much about them. It's

like, does it feel consistent? Does it feel you're not like,

looking at him? Like, is he doing a good job? It's like,

what's my experience? That's your experience. That's in your

body. And so the information is in your body. It's both, for me,

it's both facts and yes, yes, facts and feelings. Yes, yes.

When someone's consistent

with you, you're going to feel relaxed, when when

you it's going to feel easy. It's not going to feel like

work, to just coexist. Okay, be together. Build something. It's

you're going to feel calm and relaxed. So it doesn't mean

you're not excited and they're not hot for you. But my

experience, like, if you have a conflict, I had the healthiest

dating transition ever. I'm so grateful for it. Whenever there

is a problem, we could speak. He'd get on the phone right

away. We'd hash it out. He'd take accountability for his

part. I take I later took accountability for my part. It

was so

like, used to be, like, not in the moment I got that.

Oh, wait, there's a part for me. And he just did

the work. Instantly. He listened to everything I said, but that

also gave him permission to bring his truth to the

relationship, the dating. And it was, it was so healthy, because

we could each speak our needs, zero drama, right? So it's like

it just felt easy because we had the courage to do hard things,

right? It's hard to speak your needs, it's hard to trust

yourself, it's hard to hold a boundary and not like, stay in

something when you have another conversation about what you're

both looking for, right? That's your job to be clear, basically

going in, and if you're not clear about what you want and

you don't have standards to measure against, what are you

feeling for? Right? Have your standards. Be brave, say hard

things, let them reject you.

Yeah, because, then you have information because,

and I just think, like, that's the only actual way to real

intimacy, the reason people like rush to get married and live

happily ever after, but they don't have sex. You know, five

years into their relationship, barely at all, or they hate each

other deep down, or they're avoidant, or whatever is

happening inside of the home. Even though they might seem like

they have a good relationship, looks perfect. It looks perfect

on the outside, like, yeah, like you talked about before, is

because they're not having those conversations and deepening in

intimacy and and, and we're afraid to, like you said, be

rejected. But actually, let, let yourself be rejected. I think

that's like, the best, the best way to date, is be rejected so

that you can get clear on who's aligned with you get okay with

it. Yeah, you're

not gonna die. I promise

when you're breaking everything down is so I

knew you. I knew in my heart that you would, because you're

always so clear, and I just feel like how you're articulating

everything is so valuable and so clear, and you're so powerful,

and you're holding the frequency, which, of course, is

the most important thing, that you are embody, the embodiment

of everything you're sharing, and that you're Yeah, your

magic. And this is so such an important, incredibly healing

episode for every woman, I mean, who doesn't have their patterns

leading their relationships. So tell us about So you've talked a

little bit about the meditation, empathy, heels, yeah, practice.

Got that. We'll link everything below, but tell us a little bit

about how to work with you. What are what do you have available

to have to support women further?

I do remote sessions only, but I ask. That

we start with the meditation program, right, where you

program yourself for at least calm for three to four weeks,

and then ideally safety, because it fast tracks everything you're

going to get so much more out of each session, and also gives you

the opportunity to meet my frequency, right? And like,

build trust and build a relationship. So then, when we

go in and do an hour or 90 minute sessions, we get to work.

And I like to work with people consistently, because it's I'm

in it for the real change, like I am going to fight for you. I'm

going to be your cheerleader. I'm going to be hit you

straight, whether it's money or relation or anything. I don't

care what it is, just the real, real to get you in alignment

with your healed self so you can calm the reality that you want.

Empathy heals alone. That's my baby. I work a lot, also with

kids, moms and kids has become my sweet spot, including medical

emergencies. Side note, I also work on business deals, like

high level business sales, like $200

million deals, whatever you need. She's got

whatever you need. I

can do acquisitions also, and supreme

court custody battles, you know, I got covered. Oh my gosh.

Empathy heals. This is my baby. So this is just the meditation

program, and it teaches you also all the things I talked about in

this podcast about your identity being linked to pain, how to how

to move it into your truth and self Soothe the wound through

compassionate empathy. So there's two versions coming.

It's for sale on empathy heals.com. By the time this is

out or empathy heals.me, my apologies, there'll be a kids

one release, so you can give it to your little child to help

them, like, develop the foundation for their healing

that they'll carry forward into future generations. Or you can

do it. It's like it's everything, and the kids are so

happy because they don't know how to ask for what their needs

are. But once they're met, they respond instantly, because a

little nervous systems are so malleable

that is amazing. It's, it's, we

have to do this like and then, or you can do it

for your own inner child. So yeah, phone sessions

are empathy hills, and we'll link everything below.

We'll link your social media too. So, so everyone can follow

you. Thank you for this incredible like, I'm gonna

listen back. I'm so many things you I'm just like, holy shit,

it's so I almost don't have words. It just the way that you

describe everything. I feel like it's so accessible and yet so

wise, and so many things you said, it was like, that's a

quote that needs to be on a t shirt, that needs to be on a

bumper sticker, but incredibly powerful healing you're doing on

this planet. And I'm so grateful to have you in my life, and I'm

and it's also completely like, so beautiful to witness you now,

because I knew you back then, and you've always been the most

profound healer I've ever met, ever Like honestly, the most

extraordinary work I've ever done. The deepest was with you,

and so I'm deeply grateful for how you've impacted my path.

Because right after we worked together, I moved to Greece, and

that I was just I was just following my truth. I was just

in a spontaneous moment, but I was just journaling about how

living because now I'm now I'm being called to Kenya and more

and more. And I was just journaling about how Greece

totally changed my life. And it started with Costa Rica, with

you and me following my truth on my 40th birthday during COVID,

all my friends were trying to plan a Whistler birthday or

something like that, because it was COVID times, and then

everything kept closing, and I was like, you guys, I'm out. Go

to Costa Rica, went by myself, followed my truth and met you

there, and you totally changed my life in such a big ways. And

it's so beautiful to witness where you are now and how much

you've up leveled now. And I feel it, and I see it, and I

honor it, and I yeah, just deeply love. I To me, I'm, I'm,

I'm only a fan of having, you know, sharing the work of women

who are really showing up for themselves and living it, you

know, and you are living it, and you're amazing.

Thank you for having me, and thank you for

doing the work and asking brilliant questions. The one

thing my guides, I'm a channel, so I always have a feed going on

here. They wanted me to share that I was given the choice

after I started empathy hills, to leave this earth, because I

completed everything I came here to do, and I chose to stay, and

I chose to learn love, which I mentioned early. So it feels

like a privilege to get to do this level of work and talk

about it right like so thank you for having me. Thank you for

letting me share. I feel like choosing to be here and really

choosing to explore love and break the attachment

conditioning is probably the greatest gift.

Yeah, I just heard my voice say, maybe I'll choose

love. That is how inspiring. And I'm so glad you didn't leave and

and that how beautiful that you chose. And so it's like now, and

it's the remembering. I think the gift in what you just said

is the remembering that we always have choice, and when we

don't know what we don't know, we don't know, we don't but as

soon as you have awareness, which you all do now, if you've

been listening to the new truth for a long time, you have

awareness. And you know, certainly from this episode, you

have choice as an adult, when you're a kid, you didn't you do

now. So choose, choose, choose something different, choose love

and that that's like, that's what's going to heal this

planet. Yeah, and you have power to choose, and

that's how we get there. Yes, I feel like we're done. It's like,

that is it life? It ripples outwards, and then we make the

world a better place.

We do. We do the famous worlds of MJ, heal the

world, make it a better place. Love you so much. And as always,

share this with every woman who needs to hear this powerful

episode. Listen to it over and over again and let us know how

it landed, and reach out to Shelly because she is magic.

Love you so much. We'll see you all next week. Huh?