1 00:00:00,431 --> 00:00:03,641 Bill: you've logged the hours, you've got the certificate, so why does it feel 2 00:00:03,641 --> 00:00:05,301 like you're guessing up there sometimes? 3 00:00:05,931 --> 00:00:09,731 Turns out there may be a reason for that, and it's not your lack of talent. 4 00:00:10,451 --> 00:00:16,111 Today, we crack it open with Fly ORKA in episode 96 of the Student 5 00:00:16,111 --> 00:00:19,461 Pilot Cast: Fly, Learn, Repeat 6 00:00:48,732 --> 00:00:50,532 Welcome back to the Student Pilot Cast. 7 00:00:50,812 --> 00:00:54,332 I'm Bill, and today's conversation kind of ambushed me. 8 00:00:54,802 --> 00:00:57,722 I sat down with Adriana at Oshkosh this year. 9 00:00:58,152 --> 00:01:03,312 She's the founder of FlyORKA, expecting kind of an app demo. 10 00:01:03,962 --> 00:01:07,682 Instead, I walked away with a line that's been stuck in my head ever 11 00:01:07,682 --> 00:01:10,862 since: logging is not learning. 12 00:01:12,522 --> 00:01:14,682 Adriana's background is kind of wild. 13 00:01:15,122 --> 00:01:19,432 Flight test engineer, glider record holder, someone who's spent her career 14 00:01:19,432 --> 00:01:24,012 learning to fly airplanes nobody's ever flown before, and she's built a whole 15 00:01:24,132 --> 00:01:29,742 training philosophy around one idea: We don't learn from experience directly. 16 00:01:30,262 --> 00:01:33,302 We learn from reflecting on that experience. 17 00:01:34,642 --> 00:01:38,342 That's basically our tagline here at the podcast with some extra steps. 18 00:01:38,352 --> 00:01:41,092 Fly, learn, repeat. 19 00:01:41,732 --> 00:01:46,272 So I wanted to know exactly how she turns that into something a student 20 00:01:46,272 --> 00:01:49,192 pilot can use after every single flight. 21 00:01:50,492 --> 00:01:53,562 So here's my conversation with Adriana from FlyORKA. 22 00:01:54,082 --> 00:01:57,802 I want to say before you watch or listen to this, we had some technical 23 00:01:57,812 --> 00:01:59,742 difficulties during the recording. 24 00:01:59,822 --> 00:02:01,272 Completely my fault. 25 00:02:01,652 --> 00:02:06,662 It was an at Oshkosh kind of problem, bad setup on the camera and the audio 26 00:02:06,902 --> 00:02:11,142 that I have since fixed, but it resulted in us losing some of the footage and 27 00:02:11,442 --> 00:02:13,562 audio randomly during the discussion. 28 00:02:14,352 --> 00:02:19,872 So I had to edit this in a way that makes it seem like it's kind of a normal flow, 29 00:02:19,872 --> 00:02:23,972 but it might seem a little disjointed at times, and it's totally my fault. 30 00:02:23,992 --> 00:02:27,072 My apologies to my audience, as well as to Adriana. 31 00:02:27,622 --> 00:02:30,512 I just think it means we'll have to get together again sometime 32 00:02:30,512 --> 00:02:31,902 and continue the conversation. 33 00:02:32,382 --> 00:02:36,242 But here is the conversation that we had at Oshkosh 2026. 34 00:02:37,423 --> 00:02:39,573 uh, welcome Back SPC listeners. 35 00:02:39,633 --> 00:02:44,383 Uh, I have the honor today to be sitting here with Adriana from Fly ORKA. 36 00:02:44,973 --> 00:02:48,073 Uh, I know you, what you might be thinking, I hadn't heard of it either. 37 00:02:48,773 --> 00:02:55,133 But I saw something that kinda stopped me in my tracks a little bit, and that was 38 00:02:55,433 --> 00:02:58,273 a, a quote, "Logging is not learning." 39 00:03:00,005 --> 00:03:04,455 Adriana, would you mind giving a little bit of background for yourself, and 40 00:03:04,455 --> 00:03:07,285 then also in the process answering the question of what does that 41 00:03:07,285 --> 00:03:08,945 mean and why is that important? 42 00:03:09,385 --> 00:03:09,765 Adriana: Yeah. 43 00:03:10,215 --> 00:03:15,645 Um, well, my background, uh, I, I came into flying wanting 44 00:03:15,645 --> 00:03:17,365 to become a test pilot. 45 00:03:17,995 --> 00:03:23,345 I went … I- I was lucky enough to land in the field of flight test and 46 00:03:23,345 --> 00:03:27,615 practice, uh, flight test engineering professionally as a flight test engineer. 47 00:03:28,585 --> 00:03:36,665 Um, I loved the artistry of flying, and that took me to, that took me into 48 00:03:36,665 --> 00:03:41,775 soaring gliders- Mm … and flying tailwheel airplanes and aerobatics. 49 00:03:42,065 --> 00:03:47,905 Eventually, um, training, uh, focusing on ab initio flight training, working 50 00:03:47,905 --> 00:03:51,915 with a lot of student pilots, uh, helping people get their tailwheel 51 00:03:51,915 --> 00:03:58,935 endorsements all over the world, and, and, and, and, and soaring, you know? 52 00:03:58,935 --> 00:03:59,925 Exploring- 53 00:04:00,035 --> 00:04:00,155 Yeah 54 00:04:00,435 --> 00:04:04,155 … the, how fantastic, uh, soaring can be, which is technically 55 00:04:04,205 --> 00:04:09,235 using the power of the sun to go long distances without an engine. 56 00:04:09,725 --> 00:04:10,425 Bill: Yeah, incredible. 57 00:04:11,145 --> 00:04:11,765 Adriana: Yes. 58 00:04:12,505 --> 00:04:13,045 Yes. 59 00:04:13,645 --> 00:04:19,255 Well, and so you ask a question, well, what do I mean by, by 60 00:04:19,375 --> 00:04:22,115 logging is, is not learning? 61 00:04:22,315 --> 00:04:22,375 Yes. 62 00:04:22,455 --> 00:04:29,095 Um, and I, I go back to, you know, I, I love the analogy of flight 63 00:04:29,095 --> 00:04:35,185 test to explain this because flight test is all about taking a brand new 64 00:04:35,185 --> 00:04:38,675 airplane and making it fly safely. 65 00:04:39,295 --> 00:04:39,475 Mm-hmm. 66 00:04:41,205 --> 00:04:50,155 And we, um, we, we go a- out there as a crew, and when we jump in the airplane, 67 00:04:50,875 --> 00:04:57,915 we, we, we, we are really intentional about observing everything we can, 68 00:04:57,925 --> 00:05:04,235 recording, and coming back from that test flight with something we can share- 69 00:05:04,245 --> 00:05:04,575 Mm-hmm 70 00:05:04,805 --> 00:05:05,875 … with engineers. 71 00:05:05,875 --> 00:05:10,325 You have people working on the engine, on the aerodynamics. 72 00:05:10,335 --> 00:05:14,445 You have people working on, in, in ev- you know, in all parts of what 73 00:05:14,445 --> 00:05:18,895 does it take to, to make a brand-new airplane s- fly safely, right? 74 00:05:19,455 --> 00:05:25,815 And being able to share, uh, to share what, to share information 75 00:05:25,815 --> 00:05:33,415 with them, it's, does something, um, that, well, very powerful. 76 00:05:33,665 --> 00:05:39,665 When you can, when you can share that information, you not only work to fly 77 00:05:39,665 --> 00:05:42,155 safely, but become a competent pilot. 78 00:05:43,265 --> 00:05:43,525 Bill: Okay. 79 00:05:43,775 --> 00:05:44,085 Adriana: Yeah. 80 00:05:44,085 --> 00:05:48,727 Bill: And how does, how does that- H- how is that informed? 81 00:05:48,727 --> 00:05:52,587 What is, what do you think you're bringing that's different from 82 00:05:52,587 --> 00:05:56,957 the way training is happening today from that flight test world? 83 00:05:57,397 --> 00:05:58,347 Adriana: From the flight test world. 84 00:05:58,417 --> 00:05:58,787 Okay. 85 00:05:58,817 --> 00:06:02,987 So the key things is, is it's very subtle, but it's really impactful. 86 00:06:03,467 --> 00:06:07,007 closing the gap between you not being able to do something and 87 00:06:07,007 --> 00:06:11,547 doing it, and, and doing it well, because we have to meet a standard. 88 00:06:11,707 --> 00:06:11,937 Bill: Yeah. 89 00:06:12,017 --> 00:06:14,477 Adriana: So when you focus on, oh, you have to… When you 90 00:06:14,477 --> 00:06:15,687 focus on the milestone, uh, 91 00:06:16,687 --> 00:06:22,147 you lose sight of the actual actions that get you to the milestone. 92 00:06:22,147 --> 00:06:22,487 Okay. 93 00:06:22,487 --> 00:06:27,227 So the in between is how do we learn as humans? 94 00:06:27,237 --> 00:06:27,267 Uh-huh. 95 00:06:27,317 --> 00:06:28,427 How do we learn? 96 00:06:29,047 --> 00:06:30,277 And that's the caveat. 97 00:06:30,367 --> 00:06:34,477 It, yes, we need benchmarks to know how we're doing. 98 00:06:34,487 --> 00:06:38,857 We need milestones because we need to know the standard. 99 00:06:39,437 --> 00:06:44,267 But we want to ask the question, what happens in between? 100 00:06:44,277 --> 00:06:45,167 And that's learning. 101 00:06:45,707 --> 00:06:47,057 That's where learning is not logging 102 00:06:47,057 --> 00:06:47,197 on. 103 00:06:48,017 --> 00:06:54,117 Um, because, uh, so from flight test, then the, um, the, the best thing about 104 00:06:54,117 --> 00:06:57,327 flight test, I think you can learn from it, is that what's happening, 105 00:06:57,427 --> 00:06:58,987 you are testing a brand new airplane. 106 00:07:00,417 --> 00:07:02,517 We don't know what we don't know. 107 00:07:03,427 --> 00:07:13,287 And we approach each flight with, um, the, um, to observe how the a- 108 00:07:13,287 --> 00:07:18,307 airplane behaves, how the airplane responds, almost with curiosity. 109 00:07:18,357 --> 00:07:21,047 Like, we are going to do this, then what happens? 110 00:07:21,147 --> 00:07:21,477 Mm. 111 00:07:22,197 --> 00:07:23,277 Let's go ahead and do this. 112 00:07:23,277 --> 00:07:23,787 What happens? 113 00:07:23,787 --> 00:07:30,097 We are collecting data points and recording all those data points without 114 00:07:30,097 --> 00:07:32,737 judging, just recording the data points. 115 00:07:32,747 --> 00:07:32,777 Okay. 116 00:07:33,147 --> 00:07:36,007 Like, nobody's, nobody's giving you a hard time, right? 117 00:07:36,057 --> 00:07:37,497 It's just, we're just recording, 118 00:07:37,687 --> 00:07:42,267 We all figure out, well, what are the shortcomings of the airplane? 119 00:07:42,637 --> 00:07:45,517 How do we… What's the next step? 120 00:07:46,517 --> 00:07:48,557 And sharing information. 121 00:07:48,667 --> 00:07:48,847 Mm-hmm. 122 00:07:50,047 --> 00:07:55,597 Bill: So I'm diving deeper into this because, um, um, I'm genuinely trying to 123 00:07:55,597 --> 00:07:57,817 find out how, how it's different, right? 124 00:07:58,177 --> 00:07:58,307 Adriana: Yeah. 125 00:07:58,527 --> 00:08:02,917 Bill: So you could make the argument that logging- How you doing? 126 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:03,857 … or time- 127 00:08:04,327 --> 00:08:04,677 Adriana: Yeah 128 00:08:05,177 --> 00:08:08,727 … Bill: would give you the experience to do some discovery. 129 00:08:08,967 --> 00:08:09,577 Adriana: Yes. 130 00:08:09,587 --> 00:08:10,917 Bill: So tell me- How you doing? 131 00:08:11,077 --> 00:08:13,847 … why just the experience isn't enough. 132 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:14,677 Adriana: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 133 00:08:14,687 --> 00:08:19,277 Bill: Tell me what you're bringing that's, that's different, um, so that- Mm-hmm 134 00:08:19,277 --> 00:08:21,707 … that time that you spend logging- 135 00:08:21,887 --> 00:08:22,557 Adriana: Mm-hmm 136 00:08:22,747 --> 00:08:24,957 Bill: is, is used most valuably. 137 00:08:24,997 --> 00:08:25,737 Does that make sense? 138 00:08:25,737 --> 00:08:26,507 Adriana: Yeah, yeah. 139 00:08:26,507 --> 00:08:31,667 Well, um, there is a quote that I really like that, that basically says 140 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:34,067 that we don't learn from experience. 141 00:08:34,117 --> 00:08:34,527 Bill: Okay. 142 00:08:35,037 --> 00:08:37,357 Adriana: We learn from reflecting on experience. 143 00:08:37,447 --> 00:08:37,787 Bill: Okay. 144 00:08:37,937 --> 00:08:41,717 Adriana: And, um, so, like, for this, like you may understand, like 145 00:08:41,757 --> 00:08:49,647 you can think of yourself maybe, uh, repeating, maybe, maybe, uh, picture 146 00:08:49,647 --> 00:08:56,907 yourself, um, like, like screwing up something again and again and again. 147 00:08:58,207 --> 00:09:00,087 And at some point, you choose decision- 148 00:09:00,097 --> 00:09:00,407 Bill: Mm-hmm 149 00:09:01,087 --> 00:09:05,287 … Adriana: to do something different next time, and that's when learning happens. 150 00:09:05,497 --> 00:09:05,867 Bill: Got it. 151 00:09:05,867 --> 00:09:06,237 Yeah. 152 00:09:06,237 --> 00:09:07,347 Yeah, I like that a lot. 153 00:09:07,937 --> 00:09:13,997 Um, the tagline for the podcast is fly- Yeah … learn, repeat. 154 00:09:14,377 --> 00:09:14,747 Adriana: Yeah. 155 00:09:15,327 --> 00:09:15,687 Yeah. 156 00:09:15,747 --> 00:09:18,347 Bill: And so I- Yeah … I like to focus on that learn part. 157 00:09:18,357 --> 00:09:18,377 Yeah. 158 00:09:18,387 --> 00:09:19,367 How do we learn from it? 159 00:09:19,377 --> 00:09:21,297 And, uh, so what I talk about is- Fly, 160 00:09:21,297 --> 00:09:21,787 Adriana: learn, repeat. 161 00:09:21,867 --> 00:09:22,057 Yeah. 162 00:09:22,057 --> 00:09:22,407 Bill: Yeah. 163 00:09:22,627 --> 00:09:22,807 Adriana: Yeah. 164 00:09:22,807 --> 00:09:27,677 Bill: So what I talk about is, um, uh, you know, after every 165 00:09:27,677 --> 00:09:30,027 single flight, take a minute- 166 00:09:30,657 --> 00:09:30,907 Adriana: Mm-hmm 167 00:09:30,907 --> 00:09:33,457 … Bill: to reflect, what did I do- Mm … that could've been better? 168 00:09:33,457 --> 00:09:35,497 What I … And that's kinda what you're talking about, 169 00:09:35,497 --> 00:09:35,577 Adriana: right? 170 00:09:35,577 --> 00:09:35,917 Yeah. 171 00:09:35,917 --> 00:09:39,287 So basically we're breaking out how do we learn, because, 172 00:09:39,377 --> 00:09:41,117 um, it's, it's not your fault. 173 00:09:41,127 --> 00:09:48,927 Like, um, we generally are forgetting about how do we learn best because, uh, 174 00:09:49,187 --> 00:09:54,577 uh, even, even the education system is now focused on so- on the milestones so much. 175 00:09:54,647 --> 00:09:57,997 that we, i- it, it started to forget about learning. 176 00:09:58,047 --> 00:09:58,747 How do we learn? 177 00:09:59,347 --> 00:10:05,527 Um, and so what O- ORKA is, is an acronym. 178 00:10:05,527 --> 00:10:13,037 It stands for observe, record, know yourself, assess and adjust. 179 00:10:13,917 --> 00:10:14,157 Okay. 180 00:10:14,157 --> 00:10:17,347 So we break it down to how do we, how do we best learn? 181 00:10:17,635 --> 00:10:20,915 Bill: So I can tell that there's passion around this. 182 00:10:21,255 --> 00:10:25,715 Would you mind sharing with my listeners and viewers where that passion came from? 183 00:10:25,815 --> 00:10:26,395 Adriana: Yeah. 184 00:10:26,475 --> 00:10:26,935 Okay. 185 00:10:26,935 --> 00:10:29,975 Bill: What was the origin story- Okay … of how you were thinking about this? 186 00:10:29,985 --> 00:10:30,355 Adriana: Oh, yeah. 187 00:10:30,355 --> 00:10:31,975 There are so many different angles. 188 00:10:32,025 --> 00:10:32,615 Okay. 189 00:10:32,975 --> 00:10:37,735 I, you know, we have so many a- a- aspects of ourselves, of our being, and I think I 190 00:10:37,745 --> 00:10:41,595 was moved at, in every aspect of my being. 191 00:10:41,595 --> 00:10:46,595 So the first one was, uh, when I was a flight test engineer, 192 00:10:46,595 --> 00:10:47,835 I remember this perfectly. 193 00:10:47,835 --> 00:10:53,505 I was in the telemetry room, and it hit me, and inside, like, a lot 194 00:10:53,565 --> 00:10:57,835 more than befo- like, more than ever before, people are pursuing flight. 195 00:10:58,755 --> 00:11:06,075 More people have the, the confidence to say, "I want to learn how to fly." And 196 00:11:06,075 --> 00:11:16,145 just recognizing that, that every year, we … It just seems like it is taking more 197 00:11:16,145 --> 00:11:20,065 and more, uh, money to learn how to fly. 198 00:11:20,445 --> 00:11:27,035 But knowing that a lot of that m- a, a lot of that money is, is going 199 00:11:27,035 --> 00:11:32,865 into waste, meaning that people have to repay for flight training- 200 00:11:32,935 --> 00:11:33,255 Mm-hmm 201 00:11:33,415 --> 00:11:33,945 again. 202 00:11:34,625 --> 00:11:34,775 Yeah. 203 00:11:34,845 --> 00:11:41,585 Um, and, and, and almost with a lot of, with a lot of frustration And, 204 00:11:41,745 --> 00:11:45,945 um, the, the other thing is going back to my, my flight training journey. 205 00:11:46,745 --> 00:11:49,895 when I moved to the US, I, um, I was born in Mexico. 206 00:11:50,175 --> 00:11:51,555 I learned to fly in Mexico. 207 00:11:52,065 --> 00:11:53,375 I went through a program. 208 00:11:53,405 --> 00:11:55,855 You graduate, and you get your pilot certificate. 209 00:11:56,018 --> 00:12:03,548 I kid you not, like, the type of, like, for during my entire training journey, I 210 00:12:03,548 --> 00:12:11,178 was, I was really looking for feedback, for some, for, for honest, sincere 211 00:12:11,188 --> 00:12:16,468 feedback to, to help me become the best and most competent pilot- Mm-hmm 212 00:12:16,518 --> 00:12:17,838 you know, that I, that I could be. 213 00:12:19,058 --> 00:12:24,158 And, you know, imagine waiting your entire flight training journey for that feedback, 214 00:12:24,218 --> 00:12:29,148 and when you, and, and when the actual feedback that you get when somebody says 215 00:12:29,148 --> 00:12:33,768 something is like, "Well, you are the worst pilot that I've ever met." Well- 216 00:12:34,448 --> 00:12:38,138 … that was, like, you know, like you've been waiting for somebody to say something. 217 00:12:38,148 --> 00:12:38,168 Mm-hmm. 218 00:12:38,558 --> 00:12:42,398 And what comes out from their mouths is like, "Well, you, you suck." Okay. 219 00:12:42,958 --> 00:12:44,198 And maybe that was true. 220 00:12:45,718 --> 00:12:50,778 But, you know, it made me aware that how, how painful it was not to get 221 00:12:50,778 --> 00:12:56,038 feedback throughout my entire flight training journey, and recognizing that, 222 00:12:56,978 --> 00:13:04,278 um, that we need that immediate, that we need consistent instant feedback- 223 00:13:04,318 --> 00:13:04,608 Bill: Right 224 00:13:05,078 --> 00:13:13,388 Adriana: at every step because we, um … And, and turning the ball around, like, I, 225 00:13:13,718 --> 00:13:16,898 it was, it was not me not being capable. 226 00:13:16,908 --> 00:13:17,268 It was 227 00:13:17,548 --> 00:13:17,578 the, 228 00:13:17,715 --> 00:13:22,135 it was the, the lack of the feedback loop. 229 00:13:22,275 --> 00:13:22,505 Bill: Yeah, yeah. 230 00:13:22,825 --> 00:13:23,075 Yeah. 231 00:13:23,455 --> 00:13:24,795 Adriana: Because as soon as I started going- 232 00:13:24,795 --> 00:13:26,475 Bill: You weren't learning because- I was, yeah. 233 00:13:26,475 --> 00:13:26,935 Adriana: Yeah. 234 00:13:26,935 --> 00:13:27,275 Yeah. 235 00:13:27,385 --> 00:13:32,275 But I wanted, I always- Yeah, yeah … was craving for that, and recognizing 236 00:13:32,735 --> 00:13:36,895 that I, I want to bring that in. 237 00:13:36,915 --> 00:13:40,805 I want people to experience what, what learning feels like 238 00:13:40,825 --> 00:13:42,515 because it's a lot of fun. 239 00:13:42,525 --> 00:13:42,545 Yeah. 240 00:13:42,545 --> 00:13:48,885 And I rediscovered that through, through basically, uh, saying I'm 241 00:13:48,885 --> 00:13:53,895 going to make sure that I am a competent pilot, and how do we do that? 242 00:13:53,955 --> 00:13:59,025 Well, let's go, let's, let's, let's, let's use my flight test 243 00:13:59,025 --> 00:14:01,195 approach and basically train myself- 244 00:14:01,225 --> 00:14:01,595 Mm-hmm 245 00:14:01,805 --> 00:14:05,645 and surround myself with people that will give me feedback. 246 00:14:05,695 --> 00:14:08,985 And next thing you know, I have 34 soaring records. 247 00:14:09,065 --> 00:14:11,185 I have multiple badges. 248 00:14:11,195 --> 00:14:14,285 Mm. I have trained thousands of pilots. 249 00:14:14,305 --> 00:14:18,685 Uh, like I, it's, it's ne- it was never a question of capability. 250 00:14:18,725 --> 00:14:18,945 Mm-hmm. 251 00:14:18,945 --> 00:14:20,505 Never a question of capability. 252 00:14:21,135 --> 00:14:22,725 Bill: It's just the learning process. 253 00:14:22,985 --> 00:14:23,755 Adriana: Yeah, it was- 254 00:14:23,835 --> 00:14:24,125 Bill: Okay 255 00:14:24,155 --> 00:14:24,735 … Adriana: not there. 256 00:14:24,905 --> 00:14:24,955 All right. 257 00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:25,245 Yeah. 258 00:14:26,225 --> 00:14:26,625 Bill: Cool. 259 00:14:27,005 --> 00:14:28,595 So tell me about FlyORKA. 260 00:14:29,255 --> 00:14:30,165 How does it help? 261 00:14:30,785 --> 00:14:31,085 Adriana: Yeah. 262 00:14:31,145 --> 00:14:31,765 Bill: How does it help with that? 263 00:14:32,911 --> 00:14:37,601 Adriana: It's a system that works with this feedback loop. 264 00:14:37,871 --> 00:14:42,631 Um, so the feedback loop is the, the core of the, of what we do. 265 00:14:43,131 --> 00:14:49,051 And everything in the, in the app, um, supports that loop. 266 00:14:49,191 --> 00:14:56,291 Um, FLYORKA, just like fly, learn, do, um, or, and repeat. 267 00:14:56,421 --> 00:14:56,711 Uh-huh. 268 00:14:57,421 --> 00:15:02,841 Uh, it, it stands for, again, observe, record, know yourself- 269 00:15:03,031 --> 00:15:03,221 Bill: Mm-hmm 270 00:15:03,891 --> 00:15:08,545 … Adriana: assess, and adjust And everything we do supports, supports that. 271 00:15:08,725 --> 00:15:09,065 Bill: Okay. 272 00:15:09,235 --> 00:15:17,555 So is it, is it a way to, um, to draw feedback out of experience? 273 00:15:17,605 --> 00:15:17,735 Right. 274 00:15:17,835 --> 00:15:20,935 Um, and then record it and allow you to learn from it? 275 00:15:20,935 --> 00:15:22,235 Tell me how it works. 276 00:15:22,295 --> 00:15:22,645 Adriana: Yeah. 277 00:15:23,255 --> 00:15:26,375 Yeah, so we, um, so the… 278 00:15:26,395 --> 00:15:28,375 We focus on, like, basically one principle. 279 00:15:28,375 --> 00:15:33,985 When you make, when you can see, diagnose your next step. 280 00:15:34,435 --> 00:15:40,375 So we focus on giving you tools to make that visible- 281 00:15:40,795 --> 00:15:41,045 Bill: Okay 282 00:15:41,095 --> 00:15:46,285 … Adriana: and, and make it shareable so that, you know, the, you, if you 283 00:15:46,285 --> 00:15:53,155 can bring people in and more people can, can see it, uh, it's not just you 284 00:15:53,185 --> 00:15:56,785 being able to see something, it's other people being able to see something 285 00:15:56,835 --> 00:16:07,505 and, and it creates the, the, m- the mutual support and the collaboration 286 00:16:07,965 --> 00:16:09,995 to im- to help you gain clarity. 287 00:16:10,195 --> 00:16:10,445 Bill: Okay. 288 00:16:10,545 --> 00:16:12,925 So who are these people that are helping you? 289 00:16:12,925 --> 00:16:18,025 Is it, uh, is it an app that's used by yourself as the learner, your 290 00:16:18,025 --> 00:16:20,805 instructor- Yes … maybe peers? 291 00:16:20,945 --> 00:16:21,215 Adriana: Yeah. 292 00:16:21,215 --> 00:16:21,395 Bill: Like- 293 00:16:21,635 --> 00:16:22,345 Adriana: Everybody. 294 00:16:22,375 --> 00:16:22,755 Yeah. 295 00:16:22,755 --> 00:16:22,855 Okay. 296 00:16:22,855 --> 00:16:26,945 Like, if you want to invite even your family or your girlfriend or, you 297 00:16:26,945 --> 00:16:29,935 know, to follow you along your flight training journey, you can even invite 298 00:16:29,935 --> 00:16:33,675 them, um, to, to see what you're doing. 299 00:16:34,505 --> 00:16:41,565 And it, it is, it is, um… Because it's focused on the process, it's for 300 00:16:41,565 --> 00:16:43,505 students, instructors, and flight schools. 301 00:16:43,605 --> 00:16:43,845 Bill: Okay. 302 00:16:43,855 --> 00:16:45,085 All right. 303 00:16:45,705 --> 00:16:50,135 Um, it's not a curriculum, it's a, it's an assistant to the process. 304 00:16:50,175 --> 00:16:50,645 Adriana: Yes. 305 00:16:50,685 --> 00:16:51,965 It is a pro… Yeah. 306 00:16:52,115 --> 00:16:56,555 Like, uh, I know this may not resonate with students, but, uh, in terms 307 00:16:56,555 --> 00:17:00,785 of… Because, uh, what we are doing here is a systems design thinking. 308 00:17:01,215 --> 00:17:05,865 Uh, it is, it is designed to increase process reliability. 309 00:17:05,915 --> 00:17:06,235 Mm-hmm. 310 00:17:06,305 --> 00:17:07,745 So I'll give you an example. 311 00:17:08,045 --> 00:17:12,465 Um, when you… Let's go back to aircraft, right? 312 00:17:12,595 --> 00:17:15,585 You want to make sure that brand-new aircraft can fly safely 313 00:17:15,585 --> 00:17:17,185 before they reach the customer. 314 00:17:17,345 --> 00:17:17,535 Mm-hmm. 315 00:17:17,805 --> 00:17:23,525 And, and before we do that, we go through a process to ensure that reliability- Okay 316 00:17:23,525 --> 00:17:24,085 of the product. 317 00:17:24,255 --> 00:17:27,565 Um, so it's like the process has to be reliable itself. 318 00:17:27,575 --> 00:17:31,675 is going to go through a process that is reliable, that is going to 319 00:17:31,675 --> 00:17:34,355 allow y- us to build the capability. 320 00:17:35,675 --> 00:17:39,045 Uh, and ideally, the faster we build capability, guess what? 321 00:17:39,105 --> 00:17:42,025 You will have money to work on your next goal. 322 00:17:42,385 --> 00:17:42,875 Bill: Yeah, right. 323 00:17:44,419 --> 00:17:45,519 Kind of repeat the cycle 324 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:49,219 Adriana: Instead of going backwards and repeating lessons, yeah. 325 00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:49,519 Bill: Yeah. 326 00:17:49,699 --> 00:17:50,019 Adriana: Okay. 327 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:54,899 Bill: a lot of my audience are prospective pilots or pilots or instructors. 328 00:17:55,499 --> 00:17:59,679 Um, what is the one thing, even stripped away from maybe the product 329 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:04,779 itself, what is the one thing that you would want them to take away on 330 00:18:04,779 --> 00:18:07,689 how to improve the learning process? 331 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:09,089 Adriana: Mm-hmm. 332 00:18:09,209 --> 00:18:09,589 Mm-hmm. 333 00:18:10,839 --> 00:18:11,339 Yeah. 334 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:13,189 Yeah. 335 00:18:13,619 --> 00:18:18,759 Yeah, well, we are great at wanting things and making some progress, especially us. 336 00:18:19,159 --> 00:18:21,649 I think we, um, I- As pilots, right? 337 00:18:21,649 --> 00:18:21,899 As pilots. 338 00:18:21,899 --> 00:18:23,029 Mm-hmm. 339 00:18:23,109 --> 00:18:29,069 We are highly capable people that will push through any challenge, 340 00:18:29,099 --> 00:18:31,339 and we are hard core people. 341 00:18:31,577 --> 00:18:33,177 you can think of doing aerobatics. 342 00:18:34,707 --> 00:18:40,497 For you to learn aerobatics safely, like you… This is something you 343 00:18:40,497 --> 00:18:42,477 learn from through other people. 344 00:18:42,497 --> 00:18:42,727 Right. 345 00:18:43,067 --> 00:18:46,927 Because it's, it's this tribe, tribal knowledge. 346 00:18:46,927 --> 00:18:47,967 Bill: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 347 00:18:47,967 --> 00:18:51,167 It's not, it's not something that's very safe just to experiment with. 348 00:18:51,657 --> 00:18:52,147 Adriana: Yes. 349 00:18:52,177 --> 00:18:52,397 Bill: Yeah. 350 00:18:52,707 --> 00:18:53,117 Adriana: Yes. 351 00:18:54,097 --> 00:19:00,057 And bringing that tribal knowledge back as the core of how we learn, because we 352 00:19:00,057 --> 00:19:03,597 truly learn putting things together and putting them apart and collaborating. 353 00:19:03,777 --> 00:19:03,997 Okay. 354 00:19:04,057 --> 00:19:13,787 And, and literally, uh, like it, it, this, with this, uh, interactions, right? 355 00:19:13,857 --> 00:19:19,217 So the one key things that, that I will, that I will say is that I know 356 00:19:19,227 --> 00:19:24,597 you guys can do it, but if you want to accelerate your progress, but when you 357 00:19:24,647 --> 00:19:29,927 can see all the pieces of the puzzle in front of you one month from now, 358 00:19:30,477 --> 00:19:37,687 two months from now, three months from now, that on its own is going to reveal 359 00:19:37,807 --> 00:19:40,477 a lot of the gaps you need to close. 360 00:19:40,750 --> 00:19:47,210 And, and, and, and the things that, uh, that will give you the confidence 361 00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:53,680 to say, "I am well prepared," or, "Let me work on these specific gaps." Okay. 362 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,810 But you will know because it will be there. 363 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:59,370 It will not be you overthinking, am I good enough? 364 00:19:59,740 --> 00:20:02,790 Or regretting, oh, I should have- Oh, yeah … I should ha- should ha- should… 365 00:20:02,790 --> 00:20:04,940 No, it's going to be there in front of you. 366 00:20:05,020 --> 00:20:12,010 So document, share, and bring people- Okay … into your journey. 367 00:20:12,010 --> 00:20:12,210 Yeah. 368 00:20:12,210 --> 00:20:12,640 Bill: All right. 369 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:13,150 Thank you. 370 00:20:14,010 --> 00:20:16,150 Um, is there anything I should have asked but I didn't? 371 00:20:17,450 --> 00:20:19,550 Adriana: Um, well, yeah. 372 00:20:19,550 --> 00:20:25,750 So I will say, uh, so ORKA is not only an acronym, it's actually a 373 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Swedish verb that means to have the energy to do something well. 374 00:20:33,702 --> 00:20:38,752 And the cool thing about, uh, FLY ORKA, the acronym, is that that acronym is 375 00:20:38,752 --> 00:20:45,052 designed to build momentum- Mm-hmm … to help improve faster, and it's linked to 376 00:20:45,052 --> 00:20:50,812 the flyorc- the Swedish verb, which is basically having that momentum, right? 377 00:20:50,822 --> 00:20:50,832 Uh-huh. 378 00:20:50,832 --> 00:20:53,342 To that energy to keep, to do something well. 379 00:20:53,882 --> 00:20:54,832 So it really links. 380 00:20:54,842 --> 00:20:59,402 So when you FLY ORKA, when you fly, observe, record, uh, know yourself, 381 00:20:59,402 --> 00:21:04,632 and assess, you are building that momentum to keep going, to keep going. 382 00:21:05,002 --> 00:21:05,362 Bill: Okay. 383 00:21:05,642 --> 00:21:05,882 Uh, yeah. 384 00:21:05,892 --> 00:21:06,262 That makes sense. 385 00:21:06,912 --> 00:21:10,392 Well, Adriana, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us today. 386 00:21:10,392 --> 00:21:11,912 It's a very interesting concept. 387 00:21:12,312 --> 00:21:15,352 I'll make sure everyone knows how to reach your company and 388 00:21:15,352 --> 00:21:16,622 check out your application. 389 00:21:17,182 --> 00:21:22,832 but, really thought-provoking, and I think it'll be helpful for not only students, 390 00:21:22,832 --> 00:21:24,812 but flight instructors like myself- 391 00:21:25,012 --> 00:21:25,282 Adriana: Yeah 392 00:21:25,292 --> 00:21:27,622 Bill: uh, to be able to be thinking all the time about 393 00:21:27,622 --> 00:21:28,932 how you can keep that momentum. 394 00:21:28,932 --> 00:21:30,002 So thank you so much. 395 00:21:30,362 --> 00:21:31,212 Adriana: Likewise. 396 00:21:31,272 --> 00:21:31,762 Yeah. 397 00:21:31,852 --> 00:21:32,122 Yeah. 398 00:21:32,122 --> 00:21:33,312 Let's have some fun, right? 399 00:21:33,352 --> 00:21:33,772 Bill: All right. 400 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:34,362 Thanks. 401 00:21:34,432 --> 00:21:34,842 Adriana: Yeah. 402 00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:38,857 So here's what stuck with me. 403 00:21:38,937 --> 00:21:41,197 First, logging is not learning. 404 00:21:41,527 --> 00:21:44,817 You can rack up hours and still not close the gap between where 405 00:21:44,817 --> 00:21:49,607 you are and where you need to be because logging tracks time, not the 406 00:21:49,617 --> 00:21:51,467 actual learning or the reflection. 407 00:21:52,187 --> 00:21:54,957 Second, that reflection needs structure. 408 00:21:55,227 --> 00:22:01,347 Adriana's ORKA, observe, record, know yourself, and assess, isn't a curriculum 409 00:22:01,347 --> 00:22:02,727 or something she's selling like that. 410 00:22:02,727 --> 00:22:06,107 It's a scaffolding for the thing your brain is already 411 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:07,957 trying to do after every flight. 412 00:22:08,987 --> 00:22:11,247 And third, make it visible. 413 00:22:11,437 --> 00:22:12,367 Make it shareable. 414 00:22:12,647 --> 00:22:16,837 Adriana waited her entire training journey for real feedback. 415 00:22:17,067 --> 00:22:20,677 The fix isn't hoping that one instructor says the right thing at the right time. 416 00:22:20,707 --> 00:22:24,877 It's building a feedback loop with your instructor, your peers, even the 417 00:22:24,877 --> 00:22:26,477 people cheering for you on the ground. 418 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:30,117 And one more thing, and this isn't a sponsorship. 419 00:22:30,207 --> 00:22:31,617 I don't do paid endorsements. 420 00:22:31,847 --> 00:22:35,987 I told Adriana flat out I didn't need anything for mentioning FlyORKA. 421 00:22:36,367 --> 00:22:39,497 She still wanted to offer something to you all anyway. 422 00:22:39,877 --> 00:22:46,337 So code studentpilotcast, all one word, gets you 15% off of FlyORKA for 12 months. 423 00:22:46,687 --> 00:22:49,237 She made 50 of them, so it's first come, first served 424 00:22:50,116 --> 00:22:54,456 If this got you thinking about how you debrief your own flights or FlyOrka 425 00:22:54,456 --> 00:22:56,276 has got you curious, reach out to me. 426 00:22:56,646 --> 00:22:59,616 Let me know how you debrief, how you learn from your flights. 427 00:22:59,646 --> 00:23:02,466 Leave a voicemail through the link in the show notes or drop 428 00:23:02,466 --> 00:23:03,846 me a line through the newsletter. 429 00:23:03,886 --> 00:23:05,496 I read every single one. 430 00:23:06,996 --> 00:23:10,956 So as you heard, Adriana told me that ORKA is actually a Swedish verb. 431 00:23:10,966 --> 00:23:13,666 It means having the energy to do something well. 432 00:23:14,246 --> 00:23:19,296 Not just doing it, doing it well, on purpose, over and over. 433 00:23:20,256 --> 00:23:22,576 And that's kind of the whole point of flight training, isn't it? 434 00:23:23,136 --> 00:23:27,756 So here we are, still flying, still learning. 435 00:23:28,866 --> 00:23:30,576 So go a little ORKA this week