Okay. So qia A two s plus protection ordinance. We touched on this a little bit when I was on Naras show the other day, um, but I'd been kind of prepping to talk about it for this show. I wanted to give just a little bit of background info on the ordinance before Paul shows up. Um, it passed, which is great. It passed on Monday with a vote of five two. I was watching from nine bar and Oh, perfect. Nine bar and Bistro nine, whatever. Um, it was, they had a live watch party there. They opened up for a very rare Monday. They had the council meeting projected on the screen behind them and, oh man, council that. Fan fans. Yeah, I had a blast. Um, there was, you know, there's a bunch of other people there. They, and they piped in, so like if you were signed up to testify virtually, you could do it from nine. They had a microphone that you could get up to and talk at. Oh, how cool. It was really cool. Um, just like very fun. Community vibes. Vibes. Um, and I was there. I got some scene, I wrote a story about it. Uh, but if you have not seen any of the coverage about the ordinance and what it does, it's been one of my sort of like hopeful points for this year. Yeah, I think I woke up the next morning after it passed. Feeling really proud and happy to be a queer journalist in Spokane. Felt like a, a good day to be a spoken night. Yeah. Um. A lot of the stuff that the ordinance does is not purely symbolic, but doubling up on state protections. So there's a lot of stuff that's in state law that says like, oh, Washington will not turn over information to other states who might be trying to prosecute somebody for receiving gender affirming or reproductive healthcare. Here in Washington, that's called a shield law. And Spokane, um, passed in this ordinance, they passed their own version of the SHIELD law, which basically means that if for whatever reason the state law falls or get over, gets overturned, we have the city law to fall back on. That says that Spokane won't ever turn over any of that information. Um. They also updated old language in the human rights code. They added specifically two-Spirit, which is an indigenous queer identity to the definitions and the language in the human rights code. As a group of people that is protected in our city. Um, they guaranteed that city employees and their families will be able to access gender affirming care, reproductive healthcare, um, HIV care through city insurance. Um, they designated a police liaison position with the Spokane Police Department, and this is a person who's already on the force, but it is their job specifically to interact with queer communities to be like the point of contact for pride organizers to help build trust with queer communities here in Spokane. Um, I'm sure there's other things that I'm missing that were, oh, they. It prevents the city from collecting any information about your sex assigned at birth, unless that is specifically relevant to a police. Oh, okay. Um, whether that's, you know, a police call or a police report or charges. So unless that's specifically relevant, the city cannot collect any information about sex assigned at birth. Um. I thought this was pretty cool. I, uh, was really moved by a lot of the testimony from people that was given. And we're gonna see if I can, oh, we've got, we've got a donor. Oh, okay. Amazing. All right. This is Nick Bruno. Nick pledged a hundred dollars. Whoa. And that magically turns into 200. Whoa. Thank you, Nick. Um, thank you so much, Nick. We really appreciate your support. Um, we are gonna ding the bell for you. Yay, Nick. Woo. Whoa. Thank you so much, Nick. And now I am going to try to get the, uh, some of the testimony from the city hall to play. Can, can I ask you something though? Yes. So, you know, uh, Jonathan Bingle was quoted, I guess he went to the right, one of the right wing radio talk show hosts. Jason ran again. Yeah, ran and I, and so I wrote a letter to the editor because I, they, they are so unschooled, I mean, about what they, what they're talking about. So he said basically, you should be, go use the restroom of the gender that you were assigned when you were born. Mm-hmm. That they say that on one hand, but then on the other hand they say, he said, if you're, dude, if you've got a beard, we're just saying you shouldn't use the ladies room. Which. There are a lot of transgender men who have beards, so it's like, do they just not know what they're talking about? I mean, do they, do they not take the time to at least spend 30 seconds to, to explore the people that they hate? That is a great question. I think you brought this up earlier about people playing to their base, um, and I think you see some of these guys will say different things from the DAAs or like different things to local reporters than they will when they go on this talk show. Okay. Um. What Bingo actually believes can be hard to tell because I think he's, you know, I think he was speaking to his base a little bit. However, I do think that with a lot of these people, there is just like a, a fundamental misunderstanding. And I think the hope was there was like over 60 people that showed up to testify. Wow. And, you know, some of those people were like, there was a guy that particularly stood out to me. He was like a blue collar worker, um, a trans guy who's lived in Spokane his whole life. And he talked about how like he almost never talks about this part of his identity because he's able to pass. Mm-hmm. And nobody ever questions him. And like, is he supposed to walk into the ladies' room? You know, like this is a, again, a, a gruff guy with a beard like blue collar worker. And, um, did Bingle have an answer for him? Bingo. So they're not actually allowed to answer your testimony. Oh, that's true. Yeah. They have to sit and listen. Yeah. But they do get a space at the end where they can offer their own commentary and bingo kind of, you know, he, I think one of the quotes was like, I've always been a voice for the voice list. Like I've always been an advocate and, um, he didn't really say anything super specific. He did vote against it. So I guess hearing 60 odd people talk about their experience didn't change his mind or offer any context that would change his vote, but he did offer to go out for coffee with anybody who does not like, who thinks that he's a hateful person or who doesn't understand his point of view. So if you wanna talk to your council member and you wanna have that conversation about where he stands and what he actually believes, and, um. He said he will go out for coffee with anybody who wants to do that. He said that multiple times. So I'm not like putting him on blast or putting him on the spot. Yeah, he did say that from the time on Monday. Yeah, that was, that was in the spokesman review article too. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I didn't quote him in mind. I think with things like this, as a queer reporter, I've been trying to balance, um, you know, I'm not unbiased. We are nonpartisan. Mm-hmm. But our bias is for community and for people who often find like we don't punch down, um, has always been our point of view. And so with stuff like this, it's like, I want people to know what their council member is saying. But also I think it's amazing that this passed and I wanted to celebrate it and make queer people who took the risk to go testify at counsel feel like seen and heard by that. And so I didn't include any of his quotes because I just didn't, I didn't know if I wanted to rehash that, like both sides element of it. Um, but that's always a. A consideration when I'm writing is like, how much of each person's perspective is important here? And with this story, the goal was more so to be able to capture the like, community elation and Yeah, the celebratory the risk too. Yeah. 'cause you're like putting your name and face out there to go talk. Yeah. And I want to like honor that risk and make it count for something. Yeah. Cool. Very cool. Yeah. Um, Paul should be here at any point, but, um, actually I wanna play Lily Navarrete quotes about the ordinance. Um, let me see if this works. Okay. We've gotta plugged into my computer. This is, oh, uh, OX two, right? Okay. Hopefully you can hear this shared. Um, but also I hope you'll felt the support, um, for this ordinance. Uh. Church state separation means that Christian nationalists and their lawmakers allies can't use our country's laws to impose their narrow beliefs on others, or may use misuse religious freedom to deny LGBTQIA two plus people equal rights. But that is exactly what is happening now. What is happening now is that the new administration is discriminating in the name of religion, deny healthcare and erasure of transgender rights and identities. It started with painting over the Washington DC Black Lives Matter mural that erasing the stories of Navajo cult talkers on the Pentagon website to raid towns and homes where non-criminal immigrants are being detained and incarcerated without due process. Are we not the land of the free? Are we not the land where we aren't free to express who we are? Do we have to fit a specific mold to have our rights respected? Why are people so infatuated to tell other people how to live their lives? They're not asking anything from you. But respect. Ask yourselves, are we really the land of the free? Those not affected yet by this fascist ruling that's happening right now? Just wait. I am proud to vote yes and to be a co-sponsor on this ordinance because I am one of the brave who still believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's not going anywhere or as someone why said it best. The true definition of DEI is damn will earn income. I will not stand to see anyone not living in liberty because I will always seek justice for all and I will not see anyone's identity be erased. So I will vote yes on this. All right, so that was council member Lily Navarrete is justification for how she voted on the ordinance. Um, and I had one more clip I wanted to play before we see if Paul actually shows up. Um, one of the narratives that I was most moved by, there was a guy named Jason. And Jason said he had never been to a city council member or a council meeting before. He didn't even know who he voted for on council Okay. Or what district he lived in. But to him it was so important to show up for this meeting. And so I'm gonna play Jason's testimony. Hopefully I'm gonna play Jason's testimony. My name is Jason s I'm a resident of Spokane. Uh, just real quick, I'm here to voice my support for Ordinance C3 6 6 7 'cause I believe the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A two-Spirit members of our community really need our support at the moment. I've always been a passive supporter. I've never shown up, I've never stood up, but it's time to show my support for the vulnerable members of this community. Uh, I don't even know what district I am in. Probably voted for one of you. You're welcome. Uh, obviously I'm not very civically minded, but I'm not here because I think I can change anyone's mind. I. I'm not here because I think I can add anything to the conversation. I'm only really speaking for the people who felt like they couldn't come here. Uh, and I'd just like to say to the members of the L-G-B-T-L-G-B-T-Q-I-A two-Spirit community, that you have more friends than you know and to those friends that they don't know they had, it is really time for you to stand up. All right. That was Jason. Yeah, it was very well said. Yeah. I found myself, you know, I was watching this from nine, and I'm gonna be so for real with you. I was like, two vodka Red Bulls deep when this guy testified. So I was like, I, I never get to watch city council meetings from anywhere. Yeah. But the media table, the bench down at the bottom and you have to stay like really stony faced and quiet. Oh yeah. And not like, let it be known how you're feeling about anything. And, um, when Jason stood up to testify, you know, you're never really sure. You see people come up and you never know what their opinions are gonna be or what they're gonna say. Yeah. And, um, yeah. And, and then that came out of his mouth and I was like, I was tearing up and nine a little bit because you, you don't always know. And I, I called somebody, um. Named Alexander, who was a source on the story I wrote about this, who is a queer person here in town. And Alexander um, told me that like, to him it's really important to know where your friends, your neighbors, the people you, you know, employ or work with. It's important to know where they stand on things. Yeah. And he said that like he just really enjoys his quiet, peaceful life, but he stepped out of his shell to join. Alright, we've got Paul Dylan coming in May, if you wanna let Paul in. And while we're getting Paul settled, I'm actually gonna play you a quote from Alexander. This was not from the interview that we had later, but it was from, uh, from his testimony at the Monday council meeting. A survey of 28,000 presently or formerly trans identified individuals in the US found that only 3% of them ever experienced core detransition, an even, even smaller percentage of that group had medically transitioned. Regret Rates after gender affirming surgery are approximately 1%, which is remarkably low. For context, knee replacement surgeries have a roughly 20% regret rate. Corrective spinal surgery has a 21% regret rate. Generally, surgery regret rates across all studied categories are about 14%. You are 20 times more likely to regret, uh, getting your knee replaced than a trans man is to receive a double mastectomy. The reality is that if you really care for the wellbeing of trans kids and you want to help them statistically, you will have a much better chance of protecting them from things like depression, anxiety, substance abuse, and suicide by supporting them as they seriously weigh the benefits and drawbacks of gender affirming treatment under professional guidance from accredited healthcare providers. At the end of the day, while there are definitely people opposed to trans rights out of down punching contempt, there are also people who just don't know very much about us with opinions informed by reductive caricatures of our experiences. I am trans. I love my quiet, beautifully mundane life. And the things that I want are things that I want for everybody in and outside of my community. All right, so that was Alexander's testimony, um, on the ordinance that passed. And while Alexander's testimony was playing, we were getting a guest settled in our studio. If you're just now tuning in, this is free range on KYRS. I'm here with Maeve and we're turning on council member Paul Dylan's mic right now. You wanna say Hi Paul? Hi Paul. Oh my God. Yeah. So it wasn't my list to talk about your dad jokes. Um, I made a list of all of the most ridiculous things that I've seen in Spokane politics when I've been here. My gosh, been here last night at like 9:00 PM when I realized I was gonna have to do this show alone. And I was like frantically trying to think of things to that I could clip out of council meetings to play on air. And Paul Dad. Or Paul's dad jokes. Question mark was definitely on my list, so, um, all right, well we've been talking about the lgbtqia twos plus protection ordinance. Paul was actually the one who proposed it. Um, he was the sponsor on the legislation. So why don't you tell us a little bit about. How this came about. Yeah. Thank you. And, um, thanks for the intro with the dad jokes. I swear they've gotten a little bit better, but the first time I ever chaired a committee, I did make a dad joke and I swear I just saw like a tumbleweed like blow down the aisle of council chambers. But doesn't that make it funnier a little bit? Yeah, I can tell what it was. It was, uh, an update from the Spokane Regional Emergency Communications Center, which Shrek is Shrek. And I was like, oh, and today we're gonna be talking about Ogers and uh, and it was just silence and everyone was like, what is happening right now? And I was like, okay, so I won't be doing that again. But I did. Um, yeah, so the ordinance, how it came to be, uh, so it was kind of a. I, I think a compounding of a lot of different issues back in, uh, January. I mean, always wanted to bring forth an ordinance, uh, like this. Um, but, uh, particularly elevated after, uh, the election of Donald Trump and the slate of executive orders that were really, uh, dehumanizing and vilifying, uh, the trans community and, um, really attacking the right to, uh, exist in itself. And there was several constituents who did email to want to know kind of what we were doing during that time. Uh, my intern Danielle Goff, who, um, was part of the Gonzaga Pride Club and was a law student, uh, had started, um, doing some research. In drafting, uh, some legislation. But what I'd seen, um, was, uh, resolutions. Resolutions are, are great. I think they do have a place, um, but they are oftentimes more largely symbolic. They're not into code. So Warchester, um, Massachusetts, um, had a resolution around this time that was sort of creating a, a trans sanctuary, and then Olympia had a similar resolution. Um, as we were discussing this and looking at our code, it felt like, okay, this would be much stronger if we actually made it an, an ordinance. And so, uh, we just took that and, and ran with it. And then I think personally too. I was really frustrated with the kind of tenor of the conversation post-election with I think prominent Democrats like, you know, Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, really throwing the trans community under the bus. And I wanted to be very clear that I am not one of those, uh, democrats and, uh, to really, I think, think boldly and go farther, um, into, um, some areas where we we needed to go. Yeah, and I think that point about Gavin Newsom is actually really interesting to me because when I was talking to queer leaders, one of the things that they were telling me is that. We aren't sure where Bob Ferguson stands on things right now. Mm-hmm. There's been a few actions that have come out of his office or like from people under him, very little from him personally. And so people had that nervousness that like, what if we turn on podcast one day and it's Bob Ferguson on, on a podcast talking about how he doesn't care about trans rights. And so having the city like double up on those protections was pretty important to people. Yeah. And I think it's a reverberation of some of his other, um, kind of policy stances. So we actually saw. The Attorney General, Nick Brown, uh, challenging, uh, these executive orders and winning, and I think doing a really amazing job and, uh, kind of filling that void and, and being proactive. But, uh, I think it's a slippery slope from the governor's office taking these positions on, uh, revenue, um, you know, slowing down some other areas. It, I think, shakes a lot of, uh, trust and the foundation of, okay, what's next? Are we next? And, um, that's a very real feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Once someone starts being able or being willing to make one sacrifice, the question is like, where does that list end? Well, it, it's also not smart because you don't, you don't bargain with these people. You don't give them a little bit and say, I think they'd just be done if we just surrender this. Right. I. They're just going to be done. And, you know, and it's like that, that's not how they operate. That's a sign of weakness. And they're going to take you for everything that you have. So it's like, I don't, I don't understand that, that line of thinking. It's not like we haven't seen this before. You know? Mm-hmm. We've, we've seen how we operates. Yeah. It's pretty simple. You fight, you fight it. Yeah. And I think 10 years ago, being involved in, uh, when I worked at Planned Parenthood and some of the coalition work around, at the time, the efforts to overturn the Washington Administrative Code on, uh, gender neutral bathrooms. And so there was this group called Just Want Privacy and how language around privacy and parental rights and safety can be weaponized, um, in a way that is, uh, causing harm and, and really dehumanizing, uh, and to work, uh, with a lot of partners. On decline to sign to make sure that they did not, you know, get on the ballot. That was a very informative, uh, experience for me with just how much language matters and how it can really be weaponized and how it can confuse people. And that's also part of the intention, I think. And so once that debate moves over into, um, yeah, I think like what is, uh, not, uh, a good faith argument. Yeah. And that's when you start seeding ground and you start, uh, losing rights and seeing the erosion of rights. Well, it's this, you know, like the, the trans athlete stuff, which personally I think that there needs to be some. In a lot of cases there is, there is some threshold of testosterone, things like that there, you know, I get that. I mean, if I had a daughter who was competing and, and she lost cont, which is not the case, there's not that many trans athletes, but that were to happen, then I would, you know, I would be upset, I suppose, if this person was, you know, had decided two weeks before that they were. Female, which is not the case. And I think I think about that, uh, the Ben Shapiro documentary quote unquote documentary, where he set out to make a documentary about like all of the women in sports who were losing to trans athletes. And then they couldn't find any cases Yeah. To make the documentary about, so they turned it into a, like a fictional, right. I think it's called Lady Ballers. And it's about these men that form a women's basketball team to, or volleyball, I don't know, to like, go. Absolutely destroy. But the original intent was to make a documentary. Yeah. And then they could not find that. But, but I imagine they're failure. I'm sorry. There's some like, twisted comedy in this of just like, oh, like, I know. Well, you know, but, but it's terrible. But yeah. But to your point about like this, um, genuineness of concern. Yes. It's like, oh, all of a sudden they're, they're concerned about women's athletics, you know, it's like they never were before. So they, they really aren't concerned about women's athletics in this thing at all. And I think that's where, you know, this whole thing, even with the, the trans thing, it says there's not that many trans people. It's not a problem, you know? But when you start to kind of, um, figure, well we can peel these people off 'cause it's not gonna be that many people that we hurt, you know, and then we can just appease him on this. It's like, well, you're next. You know? Yeah. And, and I think that's what's been the beauty about this whole administration so far is that we're, and may have started out with trans people mm-hmm. But now it's like, I mean, I'm, I'm going to be turning 65 in a couple weeks. Mm-hmm. And I applied for my social security and my Medicare three months ago like you're supposed to do. And it got move was moving really far. Quickly, it's supposed to be done in 30 days, and then as soon as they fired, started firing people from Social Security, all my stuff stopped. Mm-hmm. So I probably will not have Medicare or Social Security when I'm supposed to have it. And so that's not me as a trans person. That's me as this almost 65-year-old person. And so we're all in this together, everybody. Is in bad shape because of this administration. So I think the whole thing that, oh, we're just going to appease this. Mm-hmm. And then they'll move on. No, they're, they're out to destroy the whole thing. I think, you know, there was a lot of testimony at the council meeting. I think it was, was it 67 people signed up, I think was the number. Jacoby gave 69. 69, and I at least, I only counted five, maybe six negative testimonies. Mm-hmm. Who were against the ordinance. The other 62 ish mm-hmm. Were for it. And I guess I'm curious, I'm always sitting on the other side of the DAAs mm-hmm. Sitting there. What was the testimony that you still remember today? What stuck with you? Yeah. I think it was one of the most powerful and heartfelt nights that I've had at council. Like, I've been interfacing with Spokane City Council in, I'm gonna age myself a little bit, but in some fashion, like over the last 20 years. And I had never seen. Uh, nights like that. Only one that was sort of similar when we were trying to remove, um, ice and border patrol from the Greyhound station. Mm. And similarly, it was, there was a lot of fear, uh, you know, a lot of dehumanizing language around, uh, immigrants and, um, but when it came time to vote, it was also 90% supportive. And I think that is a testament to the power of organizing that is a testament to the power of community. Uh, and I think some of the stories that were really impactful for me was actually the one who was like, you know, I've, I, I've never spoken to counsel before, but I want you to know that there's a lot more people that see you and love you than not in this community. And that was just very earnest and, and honest. And then also, um, I think really. Putting a, a face on these issues as well. Like I think to say like, yeah, I'm here. I'm trans. I support this. Um, and I think that that does a lot to de-stigmatize, uh, the discussion. Um, I also think too, it puts into more context the absurdity of the opposition because we are talking about real people, their real lives and how this will, uh, make a difference. The other aspect to this too, what people don't see, I think from when you're up on the ES, is just also the calls and emails. Similarly, it was five or 6, 2, 1, uh, in support from people reaching out to us and of like the people that were opposed. They were. Also there that night at council. Ah. So we'd already heard from them, but a lot of what we're hearing for the support was people who didn't come down and wanted to email. And so that, again, was very validating and affirming for, I think, uh, the support, not just the support for this ordinance, but how we are as a community as a whole. Yeah. It was really beautiful to see everybody showing up. Yeah. One thing too, I think, uh, I think we'd spoken about this before, but was the poetry at the podium? Yes. And that was, you know, I, I love poetry at the podium. I'm glad we brought it back. That was. Uh, so beautiful, so powerful. Um, I, I know that that was not, uh, it's not easy to come down to council on any night, um, but to share and, and be vulnerable. And I think that that was just like right out the gate, just such a strong way to start the meeting and it just couldn't have gone any better. Yeah. Um, if you have not had the pleasure of watching the meeting, there was a person who read a poem, um, and these, these are like, this wasn't selected for the meeting, I don't think, was it? Uh, so there is, Spokane Arts will recommend and reach out and find someone, and then they'll talk to, uh, do they sync it up with the, like, not typically, no. Okay. Yeah, no. It was a, a poem about being an out masked lesbian. Um, and at, at first she was talking about her Subaru and I was like, A Subaru interesting. I'm keying into this. And then she straight up said it and I was like, wow, I can't believe they got somebody to come down and read a poem. Mm-hmm. Like this on a, on a night like this, when the room is filled. With supportive faces. Um, so I'm Aaron. This is Maeve. Hello. If you're just now tuning in, this is free range and we've got council member Paul Dylan on the other mic. If you have a question for council member, Dylan, now's a great time to ask it, but you're only gonna be able to do that if you become a member at KYRS. So you can call in at (509) 747-3807. Become a member. It's $36 a year. We've got a matching challenge on, so we'll actually get $72 a year to help us keep doing programming like this. And if you tell the folks on the phone your question, we'll ask Paul Dylan right now. We've got him on the air for another 12 minutes. Yeah. And as a recovering former, uh, KRS dj, yes, I support that statement. KRS is one of the reasons why I really fell in love with Spokane. I was a student reporter at the Easterner. I remember taking the bus out from Chin to Spokane, walking in the dark, uh, back when KRS was at Main Avenue. And seeing this no war sign. 'cause it was the time of, you know, the Yeah. Uh, Iraq War and going up the stairs and someone was playing, uh, like Interpol and it was, uh, John Snyder, uh, who went on city council. Yeah, I bet. He was one of the co-founders of KRS and he was this like madman scientist trying to make all this like lo-fi equipment, try and work. And I was like, you know, his hair, he looked like he might have been electrocuted. Um, and it's amazing to see from then, you know, 20 years ago to now just, it's reach the infrastructure shows like this. Having you both here, uh, was amazing. Yeah. And then I had my own show for about six years on here down to Earth. And, and I think you and I Yes. Known each other probably for 20 years now almost. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And yeah, John Snyder and yeah, that's a lot of water under the bridge, that's for sure. It's yes. You know, Mave, I get to bother Paul anytime of the day that I want. He doesn't have to answer, but I get to bother him anytime I want with questions. Do you have any questions for a city council member? Well, I asked a question when you, when Paul came in, if he was, do you feel a little wistful that George McGrath wasn't there for the L-G-B-T-Q? Yeah. George was a fascinating figure with his, uh, Elmo decor. Yeah. And, uh, his very, you know, we're all a bunch of, uh, bicycle commies, uh, running around. Remember video around, and I remember he a. Applied for a traffic calming project. Yeah. And I sort of imagined he had his project was to like build this like moat around like bike lanes with sharks or like have like a castle with like, and it was actually like a crosswalk, you know? And so that to me always showed like how sometimes people you disagree with can really surprise you. You know? He was so business, he always would sit there and he would like have kind of like hold court, but he was, couldn't talk to you because he was busy working on what he was going to say. Yeah. Beforehand. And yeah. And of course the Chinese got that video tape I remember. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really, that was a weird time when Chinese, that was the propaganda machine. Propaganda. The, yeah. Remember very well were like George McGrath was their guy. And who knew he was asleep? I don't know. We don't know. We don't know. All we know was the Chinese adopted him. And this is all before my time. I had Charles. Um, do you remember Charles? Councilman the guy who showed up to testify on a contract in the consent agenda. Oh yes. About accepting a technology grant. Yes. And this guy shows up out of nowhere, never seen him before. He's like, he's amped, he's got a lot of energy and he's Yes. Talking about how he actually thinks if we get this technology grant, we should be spending the money on rollout. LED dance mats. Dance party dance parties in the pavilion. And Yes, but like specifically as a way to bring down crime. Yes. He thinks if you see people fighting downtown or people who are stressed, the police can use these rollout, LED dance mats to actually do like diffuse conflict. Conflict deescalation. This is, I famously, people tell me I do not have a poker face and that was a night where I had to take my agenda sheet and put it over my face. 'cause I was like just grinning ear to ear and laughing and just like, yeah. I was in hysterics. Yeah. It's just, I think. Nate Sanford, the Inlander reporter was still here when that happened. And like all three of us, all three city hall reporters mm-hmm. Were just like audibly giggling. Yeah. And we have to have an even better poker face than you guys, I think. Yeah. I mean, you're the only ones that can see us. Yeah. But like, we're all trying not to let it be known. I, I lost it. I still, I still think I, I'd like to hear more from this guy. Oh. Oh, would you, babe? I, I mean, because I, I mean, I like idea people, you know, I mean, that's the thing. You know, give an idea. If you, you gimme three seconds, I will get you Charles's testimony. Okay. Yeah. Because, um, yeah. I mean, what could it hurt? No, it's, it's amazing the variety of speakers that you get. And it's always, it. I, I am always very patient. And the fact that people are wanting to come down on their Monday night and spend, I. Time with us and speak their piece. And this is how they civically engage is, uh, for the most part, I mean, when they're, with the exception of disruptions. I mean, it really is a, a beautiful thing and you learn a lot. I mean, just by the sheer breadth of like different issues that people are talking about. Yeah. Like, yes, there are people like Charles who want us to invest in a, a, a laser dance party to solve our public safety issues. Yeah. We're gonna play you just a little bit of Charles. Yeah. My name's Charles. Uh, I have a proposition for cybersecurity. If we're gonna start, uh, having more cameras around. Uh, just a couple things. Um, I think we should start decorating the security cameras with like decorations so we know where they're at, like clown faces and other things. Maybe businesses could start decorating the cameras so we know where they're at. So we could perform for them more and we could say hello to 'em. Maybe we could have signs under the cameras that say, Hey, you know, smile, we enjoy you, you're great, you're awesome. Keep doing what you're doing. Things like that. Um, also on the cybersecurity level, uh, maybe some of this money could go towards, um, conflict resolutions in our society. Let's say there's people fighting on the streets, uh, maybe we could, uh, give security guards an option to have an invention. I created, uh, it's a rollout, LED uh, disco mat, uh, where you have two people that wanna fight and they have to have a dance comp competition. And there's gonna be a couple different options for this dance competition. One, you're gonna have a skilled dance. People, people judging those people say, yes, you win, you win. But there's also gonna be a possibility for trying to make the other person laugh. And if they crack a smile, then they lose the, they lose the, the battle. Uh, so that's conflict resolution dance, uh, idea. Um, this can go into the cybersecurity budget. Also, like I said, putting big clown faces and other silly stuff all on the cameras all over the place so we can see 'em throughout the city. Um, I have one more idea that's, uh, fairly brilliant. I am looking for some investors on these and I am willing to meet with these people that want to, uh, have these kind of ideas with this cybersecurity budget. Um, so, uh, thank you again for listening. Um, got another minute and 14.75 seconds. Um. Okay. So while Charles has another minute and 14 seconds, we are actually not gonna get him minutes. He already sold me of that time. He already me, he sold me. Yeah. Cybersecurity. It's a pressing issue. Yeah. I think what happened right after that is Council President Wilkerson was like, Charles, are you still speaking to the agenda? 'cause you, you are kind of locked in to talking about the thing that you're signed up for. Um, and he was like, yes, yes I am. I've still got my time. Yeah, we, we need a little more of that. Um, okay. I'm trying to think if we have any last questions. Is there anything that you're excited about coming up on the horizon that KYRS listeners should be tuned into? Yeah, I've got a couple different things. I mean, I know a lot of, uh, KYS, uh, rent, uh, listeners care about tenant rights, so gonna be working on, uh, some eviction diversion, uh, work. Uh, we've got some really exciting transportation, uh, updates coming up, particularly around complete streets, which makes sure that our, uh, roads are designed for all users, uh, bike ped, uh, transit users. And let's see, what else? There's a lot, uh, coming up that I think is the cryptocurrency thing I thought was interesting. Mm-hmm. Yeah. This is a strange ordinance. It's also speaks, I think, to. Like why, why I love this job so much? Because it kind of forces you to become an expert in so many different issues. Like one day you're working on off-premise alcohol sales and then the LGBTQ plus light shield law, and then banning, uh, crypto ATMs, which are like, uh, just real, like a scourge on our community. And it's, uh, really sad to read about, you know, people losing their life savings. This is also another way to trump proof Spokane because the Trump administration is completely deregulating, uh, crypto. So this would, uh, remove, uh, these ATMs that are scattered around the city predominantly in low income areas. And we would be the first, uh, city, uh, in the state to do this. So making more, more history, I. All right, so that's very cool. That's a lot of news to look forward to. 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