On this episode.

And the web actually took more time than people think it did. It took about, I don't know, five years. But the key thing was getting high speed Internet. That was a minor but still important milestone because that changed everything. Like, we had to use them from, like, from modems, Right?

So I remember the dial up modem I had at home just to get email.

Right.

Very exciting.

From the coveted corner booth in a little bar at the center of the Coachella Valley universe. Welcome to another big conversation with Patrick Evans and Randy Florence, presented by the McCallum Theater. Visit mccallumtheater.org or reach the box office at 760-340-2787. Gentlemen.

Thank you, Howard. We are here, back in our favorite corner at Skip Page's Little bar in Palm Desert, California. Big Conversations Little Bar. My name is Patrick Evans and I'm joined by my good friend and probably the greatest podcast co host since they invented the medium, Randy Flores.

It would have been inappropriate for me to say it, but it's. It's pretty good that you did. Thank you. Thank you very much.

Don't want to, you know, leave all the heavy lifting to you right now.

I'm old and my back's bothering me because.

Because you are always. You're not only the co host, but you're the research department for Big Conversations Little Bar.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He comes in well prepared, and I come in.

You should say that at the end of the interview, not at the end.

Well, we'll find out how well prepared. And we are really delighted to have a gentleman who really is known nationally and internationally, but calls Palm Springs home. Tom Rielly is with us. Tom, thank you for being here.

It's my pleasure. And it's cool to see this little bar.

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Okay, that's great. Thank you. It's been a great week.

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And it's unanimous. That's our producer, John McMullen. All right, Tom, I want to start here. You are a TED Fellow. Is that the correct terminology?

Actually, I founded the TED Fellows program you found.

So you were the original Fellow, Right, Exactly.

I pitched it to my boss and said, I want to create a program where we recognize super genius young people from around the world. And the smart thing I did is I went and raised a million dollars in advance. So when I went to him, I already had the money. And he's like, okay, well, that makes it a lot.

That makes it easy, very easy, doesn't it?

Steve Martin has an old joke about telling a writing a book how to be a millionaire and not pay taxes. And step one is get a million dollars.

That seems almost necessary. All right, so I know what TED talks are, but I'm not sure I really understand the whole concept of what TED is and does. And so clearly you can tell me.

I think I probably can. It's really founded around the idea of ideas worth spreading or sharing. In this case, it's now sharing. They just changed it. And the idea is it originally was a conference where you bring people together. They pay a lot of money to go. We have people speak on the TED stage. They're often amazing, very inspiring. They get to interact with the audience members. But it was all about ideas. And that's gotten bigger over the year. I went in 1990 for the very first time. So it's been 34 years, and I'm the only one who's been that long, continuously even.

Where does the name come from, Tom?

Well, some people say it stands for technology, Entertainment and design, but we've long since like FedEx abstracted its Ted. Right. So some people still use it with those nouns, but I don't very much got it, so.

But it's become a brand unto itself. You mentioned FedEx. Like, now no one says Federal Express, but we all know what they mean. And so TED is kind of.

That's right.

People just say a TED Talk, and we automatically know what they mean. And so how did you get involved?

Well, back in 1990, I got this brochure in the mail that said, you know, we're doing this conference, and it was really beautifully designed. I care a lot about that. And the speakers are people I'd wanted to see forever, like Nicholas Negroponte and Alan Kay and a bunch more folks. And it was $3,400. And somehow I was like, maybe we can get work to pay for that scholarship. And so my boss and I came and I was like, every single thing I'm interested in is here. I love this. I want to be part of this. And I've never missed a conference since then.

Well, I'm interested in getting up to that spot then. So where were you prior to 1990? What were you doing?

That's a good question. So I started a for profit corporation, a startup, a Silicon Valley startup with venture capital and everything called PlanetOut. And the purpose of PlanetOut was platform for LGBT people for communications, news, arts, etc. And that we unfortunately kind of ran into the dot com crash of 2000, which wasn't.

I lived in Silicon Valley during that time. It was a lot of fun.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Randy crashed several companies right then and there.

Yes, absolutely. So did I. And the thing about being an entrepreneur in Silicon Valley isn't you don't know what you're really doing at all. And the idea is to make as good guesses as you can to stay alive to go to the next round. But it was a very difficult time, and I think it taxes your character. Like the worst parts of your character will come out. But doing my own startup was great. And before that, I had also an LGBT thing called Digital Queers, which was. Well, John was part of it. We, we had folks in our group that raised money from Silicon Valley employees to give money to national LGBT groups that had nothing. They had nothing. And we kind of went over and we called them beauty makeovers because we would do everything for them. So that's a long story. But anyway.

Well, during the dot com time, there wasn't very much advancement for LBTQ and that kind of thing. You were still way behind the curve. So where was the impetus for you to really get started and start pushing that?

Well, because I was working in companies that were part of the Macintosh scene and Macintosh Computer. Yes, yeah. And I was a fanatic. I mean, absolutely fanatic. And I just got this energy. It was like being Johnny Applequeer going out.

And I read that story. Completely wrong.

Right, exactly. And we were able to make a huge difference. And we also taught members of the elite of the LGBT community how to use this technology for you, because the right wing was starting to get their act together about it. But anyway, we were able to make a big difference really fast. And the most important thing is we could only do so many beauty makeovers.

But.

But then everyone saw the other organization, saw what they're doing, and said, okay, well then I need to invest in that. And so all of a sudden, within just a few years, every LGBT organization not only had brand new tech, but they had an IT department and a budget, and it was awesome.

Can I jump in here? Because I think Tom is severely underselling his involvement with this. He was Definitely one of the marketing minds that was in high demand in Silicon Valley. And he brought together tons of his friends who would come to Macworld Expo in San Francisco. And we would have these parties each year that we would raise funds. And this was the organization Digital Queers, which he and his friend Karen Wickery co founded and operated for several years. And the idea was, is at that time a lot of people, people in those religious right organizations, were working very actively to put their technology to use and to use things like email to do a whole new level of outreach to their, you know, to their followers and to get people to support their causes. And what Deque represented, at least to me, is somebody who came into it as being an attendee at a Macworld Expo. Back then in the 1990s was this opportunity to get together and to endow the national organizations on the nonprofit front that worked on all these different human rights and civil rights related causes to have the technology to give them basically a level playing field with the people who they were competing with to achieve these things.

And is this because people were throwing up roadblocks so they couldn't. They meaning anybody. If you were developing an organization to support, very often that's done as a result of something that's not happening.

Right. Well, here's the roadblock. The leaders didn't believe that this was going to be valuable for them. At the beginning, they sure changed their minds. But at the beginning, the first group we did is called the National Gay and Lesbian Task Words now that it now has T and B in the, in the name, but so we raised all this money, like I don't know, 50,000 the first time and then 25,000 on top of that at one, you know, just one party. And this party, by the way, was also a place where I thought you were gay and oh my God, you're totally cute. And like, lots of social components happen. But what we did is we went to see the NGLTF Day. We were supposed to put it in, put this stuff in. One of the board members came and said, tom, can you come talk to the board? And I said, yeah, sure, of course. Like, well, we have some concerns about putting in this technology. We don't know what, what's going to happen. And I said, well, yes, you don't, but okay, I have an idea. And I said, look, let us put it in the way. We want to do it for you and if you change your mind, we'll come back, I'll take pictures of everything, we'll come back and put it all your old stuff the way it was before. And the week later, they called and said, we need RAM upgrades. And I was like, we've won.

You know, so what. What kinds of technology were you supplying?

Good, good question. So Macintosh computers, laser writers, legal software from John. He gave us PageMaker, and I want to say InDesign. But what. What's the design software?

Oh, there were several. I mean, companies like Adobe and Aldous and Quark and Microsoft, you know, people were basically getting all the applications that are used by a lot, a lot of businesses to do everything from word processing and running spreadsheets to databases to being able to do photo and page layout stuff and desktop publishing and so on and so forth.

This was totally empowering for them when they realized the whole point of this was not to help the organizations, the whole point of it was to help the organizations help their constituencies. 10, hundreds of thousands of people, they could all of a sudden do, you know, mailing lists and stuff. And by the way, this is an email time. There's no web and still do a lot.

Yeah, that was a pretty crazy time back then. I remember working, working in an office in 1990 where we all were going to have access to web email for the first time, and there were like 30 of us working, and the company decided to just put in one outlet so we could all plug in in the morning and upload the information because nobody had any clue what it was going to be like.

Well, I remember. I remember because I still have probably in a box in my garage in Cathedral City, a T shirt that was one of the proud calling cards for the organization Digital Queers that boasted, we're here, we're queer, we have email.

And that was inspired by the National Gay and Lesbian Journalists association, who had, we're here, we're queer, we're on deadline. But that became. People responded so well to that that we just. We used it, like, forever.

Where did this passion come from? What was it in your youth or your life that got you to the point where you had the interest in getting involved with something like that? Was there a path?

Well, I like to say that sexual sublimation got me where I am today.

You wouldn't be the first one in this booth that said that, right?

No, exactly. I was through all of this. I was never getting my sexuality. I mean, I was openly gay. But negotiating with your family is something different. And so I was really motivated by this idea of making things better. And then I was kind of, I guess what I was good at is just kind of like looking at stuff and saying, how do these things fit together? And I'm not trying to sound immodest, but that's what I did.

No, it sounds like you. You're pretty much utilizing both sides of your brain for all of this.

Well, I'm lucky. Who else gets the opportunity multiple times to do this? We have even now a new LGBT thing called Chaotic Guide, which is the Chaotic Guide to LGBTQ Moving image. You can get to that from our website. We just did that as a little project because we just thought it would be cool. And most lists on the web of queer movies are just like a list without curation. And what we did is only stuff that was really good and not judged by me, by the film historian Jenny Olsen.

Did I see that? You were in the movie My Bodyguard?

You did that?

That movie meant something to me. So how did that whole thing come together?

Well, at my high school, I went to this high school called New Trier High School. It's well known. And Margaret and Bruce Dern and Rock Hudson, Charlton Heston all went. And so they had a prominent theater program. Really prominent. I was part of that. And I got. One of my theater teachers said, you know, these directors are coming to town, or director and a producer coming to interview kids, possibly for a movie. Do you want to do it? And I was cheeky. I was like, yes, of course I do. And the way that I got the role was by telling John Wayne Gacy jokes to the producer. I was 15. I was.

I've never used that.

I was very precocious, and we were in Chicago, so. But I basically made them laugh, and so they.

Do you remember some of the jokes?

No. I wish I could. I wish I could at least use.

Some good serial killer jokes.

Yeah, yeah. Humor is a big whole part of my life. It's just. It. It's my natural mode, and I enjoy making people laugh.

Is it cathartic?

Yeah, absolutely.

So. So you're in this movie, which was a pretty big. I mean, for any kids who had been bullied growing up, that that movie really meant something.

I'm one of the kids who gets bullied in the film, by the way. Go ahead.

I remember the character. I was. I saw the picture of it. Did you any wish to continue on that path after the movie?

I absolutely did, but I ran up against a brick wall. My dad, he was vulgar and beneath me, and, you know, would. Would conflict with my academics, and he refused to let me do it. Maybe from this. From today's point of View, I might have known how to manipulate him to let me go, but, yeah, unfortunately, I was not able to.

That had to be hard.

Oh, yeah, it was very hard. And, you know, I think I was pretty bad, but I think that I could have gotten a lot better with a little bit of training.

What did he want you to do, dad?

Go to Harvard and study foreign policy? Because that's what he did.

That's not a bad choice.

No, that's not a bad choice.

It's not a bad choice. But where did you come upon your passion for the technology side of things? And when did you start to see. I think you clearly saw the power of that technology before a lot of other people did.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Well, I was not a nerd. I was not a tech person at all.

That super surprises me because most of the people I know today who are Mac aficionados are. They start out as nerds.

Yeah. God bless them. Here's what happened. I was seduced by Steve Jobs. Like, literally.

Not physically.

Not physically. Damn.

We were getting.

I know.

It really is a good story.

Sorry we keep distracting you.

No, no, it's fine. So the Mac. When I was at Georgetown, the Mac came out, and I figured out, without even having one or touching one, just by reading magazines about it and stuff, that it was one of the most important things that would ever happen in the entire world, ever. And, of course, I think you can arguably say that that was probably right.

Well, it's 100% true.

And so it was the seductiveness of Steve Jobs that got, you know, he was kind of cute, that kind of kind of got me into it, and then that it all built from there. But once again, I was not a techie, and. But I became a techie because of the Mac.

When did you get your first get your hands on a Mac and began to realize that your prediction was true?

I got my hands on it in 1985, but that was just like the dealer. And then this shows my fat fanaticism. I actually transferred from Georgetown to Yale because Yale was in the Apple University Consortium program, where you could get by max for half off. So I moved. It's true.

Can you still get that deal?

No. Damn it, no. They were betting that, you know, you.

Could, but you had to get into Yale.

Well, okay, never mind.

So they were breading. They were betting on people who got stuff from that program would grow up and be interesting, important people. And it actually worked. It just. It took a while, but. So I was obsessed before I even had A Mac. I was obsessed with it and then I started learning everything I could learn.

And then Steve kind of went a different direction right around that time, didn't he? The, the next computer. Did you have any involvement in that company?

Not involved with Next. I respected it. But the problem is when you make an education computer, then it's $10,000. That's a hard, hard rope to ho. I think. No I wasn't. But he did. John Scully did fire him. I think it was in 85, 85 or 86. Everyone's still at the time and even now I think he's one of the greatest leaders of all time. Even. Even though he was very difficult.

Were you close enough at all to see the different sides of him?

I only met him two or three times. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say it's fair to say that I knew him well.

How did you meet him?

Oh, at a Mac trade show. But you know, already we know that he'd Invented the Apple II 2 Plus. Yep, two E2C and the Mac. And that was a pretty impressive record.

Oh, it's incredible.

I never cared about any of those computers except the Mac.

That's the only computer I've ever had at home.

And the reason, the reason why is because you could look on the screen and there's a picture and use your hand and move your hand on this mouse and move on the picture. And it just made total sense to me because I'm really more of a artistic kind of person. But yeah, anyway that's, he was the jumping off point for me for sure.

And when did you start to see the possibility? You talked about it. It was a time you were involved in organizations, you were helping them with things like email and databases and that sort of thing. But then suddenly there was the web and the power of these tools became exponential.

That's right. So the second, you know, so there was the PC. We will give IBM the PC as an important, important invention. Well, Commodore. Yeah, exactly. And then the Mac was the tectonic change. But then the web was even more important than that. And what really mattered is if you put a Mac together with the web and then you would be like to 100, the amplification of what you could do would just go up so much. And the web actually took more time than people think it did. It took about I don't know, five years. But the key thing was getting high speed Internet. That was a minor but still important milestone. Cuz that changed everything. Like we had to use them from like from modems, which.

Right, So I remember the dial up modem I had at home just to get email.

Right.

Very exciting.

I ordered Christmas presents one year off of Prodigy on. On dial up.

You were really.

I'm really old masochistic. I think a bunch of those ended up at being delivered to the house like in mid April and stuff like that.

Right? Yeah. Prodigy wasn't my favorite.

No. And you had to pay to get on the web back then. Remember you had to buy the software.

Just so you could. You had to do that with AOL as well. You didn't have to buy the software, but you had to buy it for this service. AOL was also very, very important because it took the. The web and like packaged it in an easy to use way that, that helped people and that was. It was constructed for the non high speed Internet world. Right.

And that was why we ended up with, you know, my middle class household got web because of aol.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course. I mean that. So did I. So did I.

You know, that was just the way it was done.

I want to get into the TED Talk thing. So.

Sure.

I thought that's where we were at.

First and then we went.

Yeah. And then we circled and I brought him back.

Now we're back.

Yeah. All right.

To TED Talks.

So I was a little nervous sitting down because I watched an 18 minute video of you ending one of the TED Talks with your. Your final.

It makes no sense at all. There's no context. You weren't there. There's no reason why you would understand it. But there may be a couple things that are funny.

Watching you walk around the stage pulling up different props, it was fascinating to me. So talk a little bit about how what that role was, what you were actually doing at the end of those TED talks and then how that started.

So my friend Russell Brown, who's the senior art director at Adobe still to this day, was going to do a video for Ted and he was going to do it basically based on a satire of Godzilla. And then I came up and we, you know, we riffed a little bit, but at the very. Eventually in 2005, you know, he did his movie, which he did. And then the night before I was telling him jokes upstairs in the Marriott and he was like, oh my God, you've got to do these downstairs. And he had his assistant help me render them on overhead projector material. Which is. We came up with this notion, which we did for 13 years, which is that the lowest tech version of what had happened was Funnier. So, anyway, I got up there and I told these jokes, and I got a standing ovation. And I wasn't planning on it, but we wrote these jokes, like, the few hours before the end of the conference, and it was awesome. And then they asked me to do it again, and I was very goofy about it. I didn't want to be like, some formal slide humor. We did use slides, but at the service of jokes, but lots of prop humor and, you know, a little bit of risque humor, I think.

How did it go over with the attendees you got a standing ovation on?

They loved it. They loved it.

Were people eventually looking to be one of the ones that you talked about or that you called out? Did that become a badge of honor?

That is a very insightful comment. I don't know if anyone's ever asked me, but it's 100% true. The speakers would get frustrated with me if I didn't make fun of them.

So they're literally doing things to get your attention.

Yeah, exactly. And then. But I also use. I would use it to create cathartic moments for speakers who had been assholes and stuff. I would take the piss out of them. Not in a totally mean way unless they were really deserved it, but for the most part, just doing that. And the whole. The whole process is like, you go to Target and get a bunch of stuff and make it the night before.

I'm curious. I mean, I'm not. I've seen a couple of TED Talks, but, like, someone comes in and uses the stage and they're just a total asshole, and then you get to pick on them about that.

You want that job?

Like, what? Give me an example of that. Someone utilizing their TED Talk to be a jerk.

Sure. The physicist at mit, really brilliant woman, but she was really abrasive in the presentation, and people were, like, not liking her. Her book. I made a slide of it, and it was. That was pretty mean. She. She was. She was. She was mad.

Oh, she got mad.

But almost never. They got mad. They almost were like, I deserve that. You know, And I. And I never. My goal was not to slam people. My. My goal was to make people laugh.

Right.

And you mentioned before we started recording that at one point, you kind of had to stop that because the whole PC thing and there were things you just couldn't talk about.

That's actually not true. I retract. I was starting the TED Fellows program, and I couldn't do both. And I. And I basically had to say one or the other because it was really, really stressful on site. And I just couldn't. I just couldn't. And I. And I chose my new program.

Were people waiting for it? Were they disappointed the first year when it didn't happen?

They're still. They're still disappointed. You know, it's been more than 10 years and people still, like, ask. I really liked it when you did block. And it's so sweet.

You know, one of the things that I hear often from people is TED talks that just impacted their life. It was so important. You have examples of some of those that had an impact on you.

Not that physicist girl.

No, not the. Not her.

She Was Not Stupid book. So here's my favorite TED Talk of all time. That was in 1993. 4. The Speaker's name was Sherwin Newland. He was chair of the psychiatry department at Yale University. And he got up and he told this story about this kid, this man who had issues. Basically. This guy had been. Had an amazingly important job, wonderful wife, lovely house, lovely children. And he started getting depressed. Like, really hardcore depressed. Like can't, you know, like, sleep out in the gutter. His wife left him and, you know, you can have sympathy for her. Basically, he was like, living in the gutter. And this guy with a big, big career. I always tear up when I tell the story. So there were some doctors nearby, and they would step over him on the way to work. And one of them, a young resident, was like, why don't we cure him? We know how to cure him. We'll use ECT and electroconvulsive therapy. And the people at their hospital didn't want them to do it because they're like, if it doesn't work. And the guy was just like, let me try. And they're like, you know, what is there to lose? Right? So he tries this series of ECT and the patient gets better really, really fast. By seven days, he was functioning in the world. By a month, he was perfect.

Wow. Sounds like flowers for Algernon.

It does, yes. And then he said the patient was me. And I was like, oh, man. Yeah. And it's true. True story. And he recently died. I have great affection for him. And he's one of the most popular doctors. You know, he got his. Got everything back. He's the chairman. He. Until he died, he's the chair of the psychiatric, the department of psychiatry. He got a house, he found a new wife, and he got everything back.

That's a remarkable story.

Have you ever seen any. Just total disasters up on stage?

Oh, yes.

Any examples it's all the same life.

It's the same woman.

Okay. There's several. One of them on stage that's most interesting is Ray Kurzweil, who. He invented the Kurzweil synthesizer. And he was a pioneer in AI, basically. And he has apparently some gender dysphoria issues. And he brought in this gigantic rig on the stage that he would puppet this Ramona, his doppelganger.

And it was like an alter ego.

Yeah, but like physical.

Okay.

And it just. It was like excruciating because it was risible. But he's a genius. I mean, he's done so many amazing things. I'm not dissing him at all. It just. This one didn't.

But it was over. Everybody's.

Well, it just didn't. It was too early. I mean, if you. Five years later, doing digital puppets is, you know, a little bit more common. Let me see if I can. Okay. Oh, my God.

Well, you guys were doing digital Cool Queers ten years before that. So digital puppets can't be.

Yeah, exactly. Digital puppets. Digital queers with digital puppets in their hands. I'll tell you, the ex boyfriend of one of my best friends. I'm not going to tell you his name because it's not nice. He was going to do this performance piece on the stage and he came up and he couldn't do it. He couldn't. He couldn't get started. And in the end, he sat down on his. But. And the audience was so with him. Like, they so wanted him succeed, but it didn't. It didn't work. And he. So that's. That's. Those are some examples.

Yeah. So was he like performance art or something? Is that what he was trying to do?

I don't even remember.

Nobody knows.

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Tom Riley and we're digging into the world of TED conferences. And. But I want you to tell me a little bit about the TED Fellows program which you founded. We touched on it at the beginning. Tell me how you put that together and why. And you really kind of devoted a lot of your resources at the time to do that.

Well, I grew up in a nuclear family of six people, three of whom were Fulbright scholars. Wow, that's pretty unlikely.

You guys have good genes over there.

And if, if, you know, if they hadn't been full bright scars, I wouldn't exist. Like. So they, they met in. My mom and dad met in England. And then my sister also was a Fulbright Scholar. Wow.

My sister was a half bright scholar, but that's a whole different story, Right?

Exactly. And I knew a lot about fellowship programs from that world. There's a dad had fellowship programs. He was on the board of the Bosch Fellowship in Germany. And so I was at TED and I was like, there's not enough young people coming to the conference. What if we try to find some super genius young people from around the world who were exemplary and heterogeneous? Many, many fellowship programs are everyone's, you know, a business person or everyone's a lawyer or a doctor. And that's not what I wanted to do. And I wanted the weirdest people I could find. And then what would happen when we put all those people together? That's what they call the most important benefit of the program is the other Fellows, but also for them to have an ability to address the TED audience. And a lot of good things have happened because of that.

I mean, that's got to be just an unbelievable goal for somebody to set to actually get on a stage and do it. TED Talk. Your dad didn't want you to be an actor. Did he get a chance to see what you put together later in life?

I mean. Yeah, I mean, I explained it to him. I don't. He hasn't come to the conference, but he did. He did come to ted. My mom and my dad both came to ted.

Yeah. Did they get to see your end of the show skit? Your satirical thing?

No. No, I don't think. I don't. I don't think so. I don't think the timing worked out, but I was lucky that they got to see what I do. Yeah.

Yeah.

That's very cool.

Yeah.

Was your dad finally appeased the. Even though you didn't go into Foreign affairs, when he saw what you're doing in the world of Technology. When he saw how much you had harnessed all these things to, to move the world in a really interesting direction, was he?

Well, he, I would say that he doesn't know the details of it all that much. I mean like he, I've explained it to him, I've showed him presentations and, and stuff, but I would say he's happy with my trajectory. Yeah, it took him a while.

Yeah.

Oh, my dad always, for years when I was working in television, my dad would always, always ask me when I was going to get a real job.

Yeah, I, I don't remember any of my dads asking me that question.

I think I just, I hate, I hate such patronizing comments because anyway, don't get me going off, but people trying to crush people's dreams and my dad wasn't actually trying to do that. Except for the movie.

Except for that was.

Which he certainly was so felt with fellows. We have now 341 fellows from over 100 countries who we bring them to conference, we pay for them, they get a chance to appear for the most part and it changes their lives. And if they speak, they don't always speak anymore, but they always did when I was in charge of it. Then stuff would happen, like Chris Sacca, famous VCs would come up to him afterwards and say, I want to fund your business, I want to donate to your ngo. And they make these relationships which stay around for a long time. It's so great because everyone's like, oh, you're giving to them. And I think you are so not understanding what we're doing. They are giving to us and we should listen to them and obviously ignore them at our peril because these are people who are going to invent the future, who are inventing the future.

Think of how many of those people you've been able to see over the years because of your involvement in ted.

Yes, and I have a pretty good eye for picking people.

So that was my next question. How do you select these? Say you wanted to put a room full of the weirdest people you could find.

Weird.

Brilliant. So how do you find them?

So up until recently it's been an open application process, but it's now a nomination process. But basically through that process we find a bunch of candidates and then research the heck out of them. And we're so lucky about the results. And you know, one of, one of the fellows, Shivani Soroya, is a financial services for the developing world entrepreneur and she's raised, I think her company's worth a billion dollars and It. The first time she talked about it was on the Ted Fellows stage. The director of the Color Purple, the movie that came out, Ted Fellows next director of the next Star wars movie is Ted Fellow. And then it just goes on and on. There's.

Well, I hope he's better at it than Rian Johnson.

It's a she.

A she.

It's a she. And she's from Pakistan.

Wow.

She's an amazing person. She's already won two Oscars, so I think she's going to be.

She's probably made it.

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, there's just. There's so many social justice people and so many education reformers and. And then crazy inventors. One of the guys, when he was 16 or 15, before I. Before we picked him because he had to be 18, made this tool called Vetigel, which it's basically meant for a soldier. If they get an IED blowing their whole side open, they have about 12 seconds to live. And this is this gel that the other soldier injects. And in 10 seconds, it will close the wound and it will survive the helicopter ride to the military hospital, even though it's really like. Like that.

Holy cow. How old was this?

Sixteen, I think. He had the idea when he's 15 or 16. Holy cow. But he was 18 when we took him in the program. I mean, I. In his case, I was so amazed. I. He was in Business Week, and I just called him and said, you have to apply. Which, no, we would do that.

You'd see these things and just catch your eye.

But they have to get in. They have to.

You know, I'm sure the vetting process is vigorous.

Oh, my God, it's so incredibly vigorous.

And Randy, we're out.

Oh, shoot. Can't spell Ted.

Anyway, so there's. There's multiple levels using both the staff and also the fellows themselves. They. They vet the other folks, and it's really hard to get in.

So when you founded this, you. You had kind of come up with the idea and raised all the money to do it, right?

Well, not all of it. We since made raise a whole bunch more money, but I figured the best way to get your boss to say yes to a new idea is to say that you've already paid for it and that. So that's what we did. And I raised the money from some prominent philanthropists, and Chris was like, great, go for it.

You're damn good fundraiser.

Yeah, I've raised a lot of money in my life, like at least 30 or 40 million.

Wow.

Wow.

Something like that.

That's pretty good. Hey, we got to move on to a short thing here that we do at every episode and you get to play a part in it.

It's our Rapid round.

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I am. Just if I go too long, just tell me.

Oh, you won't be able to go too long.

All right.

We ask very simple.

These are really easy. Dogs or cats?

Cats.

They first one to say.

I think he is our first cats guy.

Should we continue?

Absolutely.

Okay.

Continue chats first. You said you've been in. In the valley about four years now.

Yes.

When you have visitors, come in. What's one one of the first places you like to take them to see the windmills. Ah. And you're able to tell them the whole story of all of that.

Yeah. Yeah. That's cool.

He's our first windmill guy, too.

That's right. You can recommend one book to a college graduate.

1.

What would it be?

Cry the Beloved Country by Alan Payton.

Check that one out. Friends or Cheers, which was your favorite show?

Terribly. I never watched either.

Neither one. So it was a. It was a tie.

It was a tie. They both lost.

You can wear one color for the rest of your life.

Purple.

What you're wearing today?

Yes.

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So what's coming up for you?

Well, end of the year, always lots to do. We're waiting to hear about a grant that multiple millions of dollars which is always makes you feel good when they say yes.

Yes.

I wouldn't know. I'll bet it does.

Call him.

Right. Getting ready for Thanksgiving with my mom and trying to figure out what am I going to do for Christmas. A valid solution Is nothing.

And then I really love the way your mind works.

And then we move. We move into TED 2025 planning. It happens in Vancouver, British Columbia. It's all encompassing for four months.

Are there themes to each one of the Teds?

Yes, they're on the websites. I can't remember.

Okay.

What they are, but yes, like the Bold and the Beautiful was one. Yeah, I can't remember all of them.

Well, listen, I've learned enough about it that I want to start checking them out. I'll be disappointed not to see you at the end of it talking to the crowd.

Well, this has been. Honestly, I don't know that we've had a guest that I really ever felt like I was not keeping up with until you. I'd like to pick your brain a lot more.

Well, the whole TED thing was just fascinating.

I know.

You know, it's kind of one of those things that's out there and everybody talks about it, but now I know what it is.

Yeah, I feel the same way. We had someone who made it who did a TED Talk.We did a Jason Tate follow up.

Look at YouTube at Ted Ed. So Ted Hyphen Ed. Or you can just look it on our website. Okay. It's our program for young people from 7 to 30. Animated lessons about all kinds of different subjects. And they're. They're amazing. They're truly amazing.

I'll check that out.

Thanks Ted.com. do you have children?

Yeah, we both have children, but these are grown ups.

I have 13 year old granddaughters who will probably be very interested in this.

I have a four year old granddaughter named Lorraine who's William's daughter. And it gives me so much joy to be a grandfather.

Oh, it's the best.

It's the best. It's, you know, none of the discipline, all of the right.

The moment my granddaughters were born, I told my son I already liked them better than I liked him.

Right, of course. Well, no, of course. Used. You're used to him, like whatever. And how, how old are your kids?

19 and 16. Both girls.

Good, good kids.

Great kids.

Good.

Our oldest is on the dean's list and honor student at UC Santa Barbara.

Mine are not in prison, so we're both doing pretty well.

Vesta gets straight A's, but she may still get arrested. We don't know. She's our wild child.

Yes.

Tom, thank you so much for joining us.

Tom Riley, our guest on this week's edition of Big Conversations. Little Bar. Thank you. John McMullen, our producer. Thank you to the McCallum Theater, our presenting sponsor. Please patronize as many of their shows as you can. They're always giving you some wonderful cultural opportunities. My name is Patrick Evans. On behalf of my co host Randy Florence, we thank you and be sure to subscribe and listen on any of your favorite podcast platforms.

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