With reaction and insights to the biggest stories and breaking news from the usa and a little bit of history thrown in.
Speaker AThis is America, a history in the making.
Speaker AHello, it's Liam here, and I'm on my own for this one.
Speaker AAnd, uh, normally I'm joined by a guest, but this is a pretty ad hoc recording of in the making.
Speaker ANot something I plan to do, and as you know, we don't do it every week.
Speaker ABut I wanted to jump on the mic and do a quick little solo episode, because I want to talk about higher education and I want to talk about universities, because in the news recently, I've seen just.
Speaker AJust today, actually, it's updating is the settlement between Columbia University and Donald Trump.
Speaker AThey've offered to pay $200 million over accusations that it failed to protect its Jewish students.
Speaker ANow, this is largely a separate issue to some of the things that's going on with other universities like Harvard, but it all kind of ties into the same thing, right?
Speaker ASo since Trump has got back into the White House, there has been, and I don't like to use the term, sort of war on this, war on that.
Speaker ABut there's definitely been an agenda against colleges and universities in the US that appear to not be enthusiastically falling in line with the Trump administration.
Speaker AWe're seeing threats of economic penalties, of legal action, and you might think, why am I jumping on the mic just to talk about this?
Speaker ABut, you know, here's the thing.
Speaker AThis podcast, America A History, was launched just over two years ago now, and I did that in collaboration and still collaborate very heavily with the faculty at the University of East Anglia in the uk.
Speaker AIt's a podcast made with an awful lot of passion and love for what we talk about, because we really feel like it's important to make this podcast in the way that we make it, and we're really proud of that.
Speaker ABut here's where I'm going with this.
Speaker AWe can do the podcast.
Speaker AOther people can do the research they want to do and the projects they want to do, and they can study what they want in the way they want, because higher education and universities have the freedom and create a safe space for people to debate, to discuss, to research, and to have the conversations that need to be had that couldn't be had in other contexts.
Speaker AThe second you start to censor what universities can do and how they do it, obviously there has to be legal parameters, of course.
Speaker AAnd I'm going to just caveat by saying, you know, if Columbia University or anyone else has broken the law, then obviously they need to be held to account.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut I think that what we're seeing in the US is more than that.
Speaker AWhat we're seeing is nothing short of a witch hunt against institutions that don't want to fall in line with the Trump administration.
Speaker AThe long term ramifications of strangling that autonomy that is the real lifeblood of universities and of any higher education institution is that you stop that pipeline of people being able to learn and being able to then leave university and contribute to society in a meaningful way.
Speaker AWhen you start trying to control the narrative and you start trying to dictate at a federal level what universities can teach, what students can say, you're creating an unimaginable amount of issues long term.
Speaker AAnd this is why institutions like colleges and universities need that independence and that autonomy.
Speaker AThat's why they've needed it up to now, and that's why they will continue needing it.
Speaker AWithin the parameters of the law, of course, and wider than this, what we're seeing at a global level, what I have seen from working with UEA and from talking to many academics and dealing with many institutions in the us, the UK and around the world since doing this podcast, is we are seeing budgets tighten, we're seeing money being cut from programs, from departments, we're seeing faculties being stripped to the bare minimum.
Speaker AResources are being frozen and reduced.
Speaker AThere's already an insurmountable amount of challenges that institutions in higher education have to face day to day.
Speaker AWe don't need that added pressure of federal intervention, be it in the US in the UK or anywhere.
Speaker ASo I guess more than me sort of talking about the news and giving my opinion, this is more of a plea from me as someone who deals heavily and collaborates heavily with UEA and other institutions and amazing academics and professors around the world who contribute so much to this is my plea to say we need to keep governments out of the classroom, particularly in universities.
Speaker AWe can't start dictating what's taught and how it's taught, because then what's the difference between that and just propaganda?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AI think that the whole education system worldwide is being stretched enough right now.
Speaker AWe don't need this added unnecessary intervention.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker AAnd so this is me just saying, and really just declaring just how much respect universities and colleges deserve from the decision makers at the top.
Speaker AThe contributions that the faculty, the students, that everyone who uses those facilities make, it's seen as a drain on the bottom line, right?
Speaker AIt's like, oh, we need to make cuts.
Speaker ALet's just, let's just sack some People, or make some people done, or, you know, in the case of the US let's just, let's just sue the university because we don't like what they're doing.
Speaker AWell, then what's left?
Speaker ALike, you end up with people just too scared to speak out, too scared to do the work that is going to make any kind of meaningful contribution long term to society and to the world.
Speaker AAnd I think that the, I think in a time when the economy is strained, it's so easy to look at universities as just these huge loss makers.
Speaker AIt's just a burden on the balance sheet.
Speaker ABut the value that they create is so much wider than that.
Speaker AAnd I just hope that that gets recognized and that gets seen by people that need to see it.
Speaker AAnd I'm talking to you, the decision makers at colleges, at universities all over the world don't pander to pressure to cut budgets for the sake of cutting budgets.
Speaker AI understand you need to have those financial considerations, but let's draw a line.
Speaker ALet's understand why you're there in the first place and why you exist in the first place.
Speaker ABecause if you start taking action like suing universities, if you're the government or, or if you're running a university just making cuts left, right and center, you're going to end up with a university that isn't actually able to deliver the value that makes it worth having in the first place.
Speaker AAnd that's a real issue.
Speaker AI don't know where I'm going with this.
Speaker AJust, I think I've had enough.
Speaker AI think I've seen enough in the news where universities are just targeted for.
Speaker AAnd I see it as, I see it as a cost cutting exercise, I see it as a money making exercise.
Speaker AThey're easy targets now, especially in America.
Speaker ASo I just hope we recognize that.
Speaker AAnd somehow the people that can do something about this, do do something about this.
Speaker ABecause I love making this podcast.
Speaker AI know that all of the amazing faculty at UEA and all of the people that I've collaborated with around the world making this podcast also love.
Speaker AYeah, they love making the podcast, but it's because they love doing what they do.
Speaker AAnd I can assure you there's an immense amount of value in what they do.
Speaker ASo let's support that and let's shout about that as much as we can, particularly at a time when they need people to shout for them and advocate for them.
Speaker AAnd of course, you know, I want to keep this podcast going as well.
Speaker AI'd love to.
Speaker AYou know, we do this for love.
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Speaker AYou can just give us a dollar and it helps us keep the lights on.
Speaker ABut for me this is about trying to create some real world value for the amazing work that's being done within UEA and everywhere else.
Speaker ASo rant over I guess.
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