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Speaker BWelcome to Consulting for Humans.
Speaker BYou're with Mike and Ian.
Speaker BIn each episode, we explore a new topic that gets to the heart of what makes consultants happy and successful.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker AOn the Consulting for Humans podcast, it's our mission to add just a little bit more humanity to the lives of consultants.
Speaker AAnd we love bringing the skills and perspectives of consulting to human lives, too.
Speaker AAnd this week is one such.
Speaker ARight, Mike?
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BSo if you're a consultant who's trying to be more of a human, or, hey, listen up, a human who's trying to be more of consultant a.
Speaker BThen we think you're just our kind of person.
Speaker BSo in the last episode, we began our Becoming a Strategic Partner series covering building trust without Authority.
Speaker BOn that episode, we talked about how internal advisors can build credibility, navigate organizational politics, and influence decisions without formal authority.
Speaker AThat's right, Mike.
Speaker AAnd today it's time to dig deeper.
Speaker AIn part two of the series, we want to talk about the internal advisor method mindset.
Speaker AWhat is it about the way that we look at ourselves and our work that can really help us grow this aspect of us professionally?
Speaker AMany of us are probably already doing it, acting consultatively, as you might say, without realizing it.
Speaker ABut how do we get to know it when we see it?
Speaker AAnd how do we cultivate more of it?
Speaker AWell, if that's interesting to you, then stick around.
Speaker AWe're going to share our strategic partner pyramid model, our thinking framework for looking at why many people have been motivated by to try to climb that pyramid.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BUsing that pyramid and some work around that.
Speaker BWe'll discuss how to take inventory and evaluate the consultative work that you're probably already doing.
Speaker BWe'll look at some common traps and pitfalls for being an internal advisor, and we'll wrap up with some practical exercises that can help you own your journey, working at all levels of that pyramid.
Speaker BSo, Ian, get us started.
Speaker BWhat might it feel like if someone is ready to start developing an internal advisor mindset?
Speaker AWell, Mike, thank you.
Speaker ALet's get into it by thinking about a typical everyday.
Speaker ALet's make it Tuesday.
Speaker AConsider a Tuesday.
Speaker AYou're probably sitting there fielding requests for reports, answering technical questions, providing recommendations to others that might or might not get implemented, and helping colleagues get think through challenges, often challenges that need your expert input.
Speaker AIf you're doing things like this, then maybe without realizing it, you're already functioning as an internal consultant.
Speaker AThis internal advisor mindset that we're talking about here is about recognizing that you're already in this business, the business of helping others to succeed.
Speaker AAnd Then starting to become intentional about the value that you add.
Speaker AAnd whether you're in finance or IT or HR or operations or R and D or any other function, mid level or senior level, individual contributor, project or program manager, if people are coming to you for expertise or insights or guidance, then you're probably already being consultative.
Speaker AYou're probably already being that internal advisor.
Speaker AAnd if you like that about your work, then there's an opportunity to add even more value.
Speaker AThe question isn't whether you're already doing consultative work, the question is whether you're doing it strategically to enhance its impact and enhance the value that you and your customers and colleagues get from it.
Speaker BYeah, that's right.
Speaker BAnd this mindset shift is crucial because it changes how you approach every interaction.
Speaker BInstead of just responding to requests, you start thinking about the bigger picture.
Speaker BWhat's really driving this request?
Speaker BWhat does success look like for the person that's asking, how can you add a little bit more value than they're expecting?
Speaker BAnd this shift from reactive to strategic thinking distinguishes high impact internal advisors from those who remain confined to purely functional or transactional roles.
Speaker BAnd as Ian mentioned, we have a model for this role evolution, the Strategic partner pyramid.
Speaker AMike, I love this and I love the fact that you and I can't remember where it came from exactly.
Speaker AI was saying before we started the show, didn't you work on this?
Speaker AAnd you were saying, no, no, yeah, I think this was you.
Speaker AIt began life somewhere probably as a doodle on somebody's notebook somewhere or on a flip chart or on a post it note somewhere.
Speaker AAnd it's a pyramid that has three levels and you know the kind of thing, why there's a base level and a mid level and then the pointy bit at the top, the kind of nirvana level.
Speaker AAnd the pyramid is a really good analogy for this because it implies progress as you go up, but it also reminds us that the whole thing collapses if we don't have the foundation as well.
Speaker ASo we're going to talk about these three different levels of value creation, each one, like I said, building on the previous one.
Speaker AAnd we found it really useful for our clients and our coaches to help them use this as a roadmap for professional development as individuals or as teams.
Speaker AAnd as well as being that kind of general framework, it's also useful as a diagnostic for assessing where you currently are and what might it mean to go to the next level.
Speaker ASo, Mike, I'm going to try and build the foundations here.
Speaker AIt turns out that, you know, besides WI fi and oxygen and all the other things that are necessary for human life.
Speaker AThere is a base level of professional interaction, and the base level is just answering the question.
Speaker APeople come to us with questions and we do our best to answer them.
Speaker AAnd if this is you, then you're probably valued for the expertise that you bring.
Speaker AJust answering the question doesn't mean that you're junior or that your work is inconsequential because answering a question requires technical knowledge.
Speaker AIt requires attention to detail.
Speaker AIf this is you, then your role probably revolves around responding, responding to somebody else's inquiries, responding to the need to collect and and analyze data, being good at summarizing work and being precise and accurate and careful about how you summarize.
Speaker AThis work is necessary and it's valued, but it's at the base level.
Speaker AAnd that means that it's reactive rather than strategic.
Speaker AMike, I was thinking about who have I seen who does this and when have I seen it in myself?
Speaker AI think people who work at this level are necessarily good at what they do because as we said already, they're producing accurate reports and it's reliable and it's valid and.
Speaker ABut the downside of sticking at this level is that you tend only to accept requests at face value.
Speaker AYou don't tend to question underlying assumptions.
Speaker AYou don't tend to ask much about context.
Speaker AAnd we're going to get into context a lot, right.
Speaker AAs we get up the pyramid here.
Speaker APeople who are good at this level of operating can deliver what's asked for without challenging whether it's actually needed.
Speaker AIt's not wrong, it's not inadequate, it's just a foundational level of work.
Speaker AEvery internal advisor needs this competency of being able to understand a question and answer it directly.
Speaker AThe challenge comes when professionals get so focused on just delivering accurate answers, even if they're very high value, very kind of esoteric answers, that they miss opportunities to add even more value and also I think, therefore to get even more back.
Speaker ASo, Mike, we've talked about the good things and the slightly, the limiting things about the foundational level.
Speaker AWhat's on level two?
Speaker BYeah, Ian, I'm just reminded as I was listening to you talk through the foundational level of Scott Alldack, who was my first partner that I ever worked directly for, and he actually handed out a little cartoon for us all to pin on our walls or take with us wherever we were working, of somebody's car with a star shaped hole in the windscreen on the windshield, as we would say.
Speaker BI know the cartoon you right, exactly.
Speaker BAnd the question is can you cut a piece of GL glass to fit this hole?
Speaker BThe answer was of course, yes.
Speaker BBut that's your point, you know, foundational.
Speaker BYes, that's it.
Speaker BWell, there's a better answer, you know, we shouldn't try to fit a star shaped piece of glass.
Speaker BWhile we can do that, that's not the best thing.
Speaker BIt'd be better if we can move up a level to understanding the problem.
Speaker BAnd that was, he was trying to remind us all the time to say, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker BThe problem is bigger than can you cut a star shaped piece of glass?
Speaker BSo at the middle level, you know, you add greater value by contextualizing the request and reframing them, you know, making sure that you're addressing core issues, pulling out the assumptions, targeting specific problems or opportunities.
Speaker BWhat are we really trying to do here?
Speaker BAnd you use judgment and experience, yours, your teams, even the person that is coming to you, the request, to move beyond merely delivering answers or information to offering up synthesized and actionable insights.
Speaker BBoy, that's where we want to get to here.
Speaker BIf we can put it in a broader context, ensure that the real problem is identified and addressed, that we understand perhaps what decision the person's trying to make when they've made that request, perhaps what constraints they're working under, what success means for them.
Speaker BWell, when we do this again and again ourselves, our team, the people we work with, we can see many more patterns across requests and we can start connecting dots that others might miss.
Speaker BAnd that's where in doing this, we're really adding value all the way around.
Speaker BAnd we start to demonstrate that internal advisor mindset.
Speaker BAnd if you're doing this really well, as you said, foundational, we can do this better and better.
Speaker BNext level, we can do this better and better.
Speaker BNow let's get to that point.
Speaker BPointy bit at the top, right?
Speaker ASo we've done the base level, we've done the mid level of understanding the problem a bit more carefully.
Speaker AAt the top level is the level where we're actually provoking new thinking.
Speaker ASo we're absolutely not being reactive, but we're going out to our colleagues and our stakeholders and our internal customers and saying, hold on a second, I might have noticed something here.
Speaker AMaybe this is worth taking a look at.
Speaker AAnd at this level, you're valued not only for your expertise, but for your ability to bring a fresh perspective, to use an overused word, like a strategic perspective, which means that you get seen as somebody who brings their experience and uses it well.
Speaker AYou're savvy, you're a collaborative thought partner, in the right moment, you can challenge conventional thinking and inspire people to try new things, to innovate.
Speaker AAnd that is where you get lasting value from expertise.
Speaker AI think answering technical questions over and over again, in the end, the value of that starts to decay away.
Speaker AThe real value of somebody who's got technical knowledge is when they can say, hey, I think something new is going on here.
Speaker ALet's take a look at it.
Speaker AThat means being able to anticipate a little bit finding and earning the right to take a moment to say, hey, I have something new here to articulate and identify opportunities that other people might have missed to help shape the questions that the organization should be asking.
Speaker ASo to go back to the question thing, base level, answer the question, mid level, understand the context behind the question and reframe it, top level, bring a whole new question and challenge things constructively.
Speaker AThis level is about being the kind of internal advisor who is also a really true strategic partner who influences direction rather than just responds to it.
Speaker AAnd I think it's worth taking a moment here to think about what it takes to want that.
Speaker AI think lots of people start out, especially in a career, whether you're in a technocracy and you and your expertise and your training are valued because of the technical attributes that you have.
Speaker AIt's sometimes easy to feel that you don't want to bring a new idea that that is somehow somebody else's job.
Speaker AAnd we're going to get into that in a second.
Speaker ABut I think you've used this phrase a few times, Mike.
Speaker AHaving the right answer and making the answer right, like making it right for the organization and right for the situation, is a really valuable thing for us to aspire to.
Speaker BYeah, Ian, I absolutely agree with you there.
Speaker BI mean, it's both.
Speaker BSometimes we think about strategic thinking as like coming up with the right strategy.
Speaker BAnd that is great, you know, having the right answer sometimes, look, the answer's already been made.
Speaker BWe're committed on a path.
Speaker BHow do we make that work?
Speaker BMaybe if we had it to do over again, we would do it differently.
Speaker BSo also making the answer right, all of this, that collaboration with these different stakeholders to do this is so important.
Speaker BBut you and I, this all makes sense.
Speaker BBut we've worked with a lot of these people at a lot of different organizations and kinds of organizations, and some people get stymied at up at a foundational level, perhaps at a mid level.
Speaker BWhat are the kinds of things that we've seen that stop people from wanting to move up the pyramid or being able to work at multiple levels of the pyramid.
Speaker AWell, I think one of the basic things is feeling unsure.
Speaker AWhen we're sure that our technical and scientific expertise is what's got us there, it's very easy to think that that should be what will keep us there.
Speaker ASo feeling unsure about straying outside of our lane, outside of our area of expertise.
Speaker AYou know, I'm a, I'm a clinical operations person and I shouldn't stray into epidemiology or I'm an IT security person.
Speaker AI shouldn't stray into the realm of, I don't know, user interface design.
Speaker ABut I think that overcoming that uncertainty about straying out of your expertise is a really important part of this.
Speaker AAnd seeing yourself in your role in a new way is an important part of getting out of that kind of stymied feeling that you talked about.
Speaker AIf we get there, then I think we feel differently about ourselves.
Speaker ARather than feeling like order takers with little participation in the process, we get to feel like we have a bigger picture and we're bringing a bigger picture perspective.
Speaker AAnd maybe also we're bringing our expertise earlier on in the process.
Speaker AMany, many times I've heard smart, well qualified people say, ah, if only you'd asked me earlier on if you'd involved me, I could have given you better advice.
Speaker AWow, okay.
Speaker AThat's a challenge on us as well, to bring a perspective that gets us involved earlier in the process.
Speaker AAnd Mike, sticking with this idea of the fear of trying something new, I think that people in this situation might not realize that there's value being lost, that continuing to do the things the way that we've always been doing them, this transactional, somebody asks a question and we answer it method, that we're losing value there, that we get held back by a limited vision of what's possible.
Speaker AAnd in the end, when organizations stagnate and businesses start to lose their edge, I think that's often one of the sources of where the stagnation comes from.
Speaker AAnd then finally your question was, what's stopping us?
Speaker AI've focused on ourselves.
Speaker ALet's talk about the people that we're responding to as well.
Speaker AI think it's also sometimes about the perception of the person who's asking for work.
Speaker AThey might not understand much about the value that the answerer, that is to say you, is capable of providing.
Speaker AAnd with a bit more context and a bit more collaboration, they might be able to think the opportunity, think the problem or opportunity through more clearly together.
Speaker ASo what's stopping us is, I don't think it's expertise.
Speaker AI don't think it's access to data.
Speaker AI think it's different people's perspectives of who should be answering what question and who should be bringing the new ideas.
Speaker BYeah, I agree with you.
Speaker BI think so many times people also don't value the, the questions of the brand new.
Speaker BPeople who've walked in those naive things that all of a sudden cut right through all of our assumptions.
Speaker BThose people who don't realize that, oh, the answer to this question is always more or it's always north that say, well, why couldn't it be this?
Speaker BAnd sometimes it's those people who've got that long history that realize, oh my God, the world has moved on.
Speaker BAnd sometimes it's a naive question that realizes that.
Speaker BI guess it's always been that because we've always done it this way or we hadn't thought about it.
Speaker BSo yeah, I love that.
Speaker BHow we stop ourselves, right?
Speaker AAnd there's an interesting challenge for us if we should all be better at asking the naive questions.
Speaker AI think we feel a bit of pride and a bit of anxiety about that.
Speaker AAren't I going to look stupid if I ask the naive question?
Speaker AAm I not going to annoy my internal customers who would just like me to answer the darn question?
Speaker AIf I keep pushing back and keep reframing the question?
Speaker AAm I not just making my life more difficult and my stakeholders more unhappy here?
Speaker BYeah, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker BSo many people are like, you know, that's not what they want.
Speaker BThat's not what they expect to be.
Speaker BYou know, it's that stay in the lane and they're thinking there.
Speaker BAnd you know, in our experience that, you know, the people who bring the answers to the question, that work is still being done.
Speaker BMoving up the pyramid means that you actually get a lot more efficient at doing that and a lot more efficient, effective at doing that.
Speaker BYou know, you start to build in things like automation, process standardization, delegation.
Speaker BYou also get more used to developing that by getting a little bit above that, just that foundational level.
Speaker BAnd that we as the answerers and the people who are doing the asking to us also learn to ask more interesting questions along the way.
Speaker BAnd like you said, sometimes that's the people coming to us asking bester questions, sometimes that's us asking better questions, which may frustrate some of our internal customers who haven't seen or participated in what's impossible.
Speaker BBut our increased efficiency and efficacy helps to make up for that.
Speaker BPlus, what we found in so many organization is Nothing succeeds like success.
Speaker BAll of a sudden our group or ourselves or one of us has had a big breakthrough, and then other people who are the people who typically come to our team or us, go, well, why am I not getting that?
Speaker BActually, because of some of the stuff that's been going on with this stakeholder that doesn't go on between you and me.
Speaker BSo we're trying to work.
Speaker BWe're trying to develop people, we're trying ourselves to work at multiple levels of the pyramid, whichever is required for this situation, and developing the capabilities and relationships to do that here.
Speaker ASo this doesn't mean labeling yourself as a pain in the ass for asking questions.
Speaker AThis means turning yourself into a successful pain in the ass.
Speaker AAnd a successful pain in the ass is not a pain in the ass.
Speaker AThey're a leader.
Speaker AMaybe a maverick, but a leader.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd not thinking.
Speaker BI can only answer questions that I know the answer to.
Speaker BThis is not a lawyer asking a witness a question on the stand.
Speaker BSome of it's just being curious, and that's great.
Speaker BI mean, some of the best people who, you know, it's not that I'm going to think of what that answer is.
Speaker BIt's that person that's coming to me to ask, has this in their mind.
Speaker BI'm just, just helping them to bring that out or to communicate it to me.
Speaker BThey may already have that figured out.
Speaker BBut me knowing that is going to help put me in a better position here.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo, Mike, another objection that I've heard is people say to us, I'm junior.
Speaker ALike, I'm early in my career or I'm early in this particular professional stage of my life.
Speaker AAnd this internal advisor elevating up the pyramid stuff seems to me like it's the territory of senior people or subject matter experts or pushy extroverts.
Speaker AAnd I think this perception that it's not my job or that it's for somebody else is a big hurdle, especially in big matrix organizations like pharma companies, like banks, like certain kinds of tech companies, where we are encouraged in some respects to stay in our lane.
Speaker AWhat do you think about that?
Speaker BIt's interesting.
Speaker BI mean, how much individual and team development actually happens on the job.
Speaker B80%, 90%.
Speaker BSome of the organizations that I've known, probably 99%.
Speaker BIt's pretty much swim or sink, but the strategic pyramid and this approach makes this development much more intentional.
Speaker BLook at the career path of most folks working at that foundational level of asking questions.
Speaker BAt the very least, this kind of thinking really dramatically increases the Rate of speed at which those individuals get up to proficiency and are starting to really add value back to the people that they answer questions for it also by doing it across a team increases the team's effectiveness and efficiency.
Speaker BSo I think that's, you know, that really says juniors are particularly appropriate for this because we don't want them sitting on the back burner for a year until they can really be effective.
Speaker BAnd by doing this as a way of life in our groups, we're bringing everybody up to speed quicker with this contextual thinking and that.
Speaker BBut now we'll say that not everybody that's asking the questions, you know, are all the same.
Speaker BSometimes there's some, it depends here.
Speaker BSo yeah, some of the folks might have that you're a junior, you know, if I, if I want you to help me understand what I think, I'll tell you.
Speaker BBut we'll come back to it depends in a minute here.
Speaker BSo, Ian, we've talked about the concept of the pyramid and potential benefits from moving up the pyramid.
Speaker BHow can our listeners get started if some of this is ringing like that might be a possibility in my position?
Speaker AI think the first thing to do, I think in our introduction we called this taking inventory.
Speaker AA good first step is to take a look at the work you're doing and look at it from the perspective of how far up the pyramid am I already.
Speaker ABecause I think you might be doing more advisory, more consultative work than you already think.
Speaker AYou're probably functioning as an internal advisor or an internal consultant any time that you are helping your colleagues think through problems.
Speaker AAnytime you're providing recommendations beyond just handing over data, anytime you're getting asked for your opinion on decisions and execution of decisions.
Speaker ASo we're sitting here, Mike, It's July, it's coming up to the summertime, people are going on vacation.
Speaker AIt's the time for the kind of mid year reflection.
Speaker AMaybe this is a good time to do a little bit of an inventory, take a look at the work that you're doing.
Speaker ACommon signs that you're already doing advisory or consultative work include being somehow the go to person for certain kinds of decisions.
Speaker APeople coming unannounced to seek your perspective on challenges that lie outside your formal job description.
Speaker ABut where you're known already to have some qualifications and some expertise.
Speaker AIt might be that you're finding yourself in meetings where you're helping others think through issues rather than just reporting information.
Speaker AAnd I think taking a moment to step outside yourself and spot those is really key.
Speaker ABecome a bit more intentional about how you Approach them so that instead of just responding to requests, we start thinking about the broader context and how you can add strategic value.
Speaker ASo I think the first step is taking a look at the work and spotting the exciting opportunities for.
Speaker AFor extending your consultative or your advisory mindset.
Speaker AHere.
Speaker AWe've got some exercises coming later to do with practicing the skill and the mindset itself.
Speaker ABut, Mike, I think that's where we should start with recognizing the consultative nature of the work that we're doing right now.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd if you're looking at that and say, well, that's not me, but that's other people in my group, that could be you.
Speaker BAnd so I think that's another thing to say, yep, there are people in my group that do that, and we're in there.
Speaker BThey perhaps have been doing this longer, or they do it differently, or they do it with certain other stakeholders.
Speaker BBut that doesn't work that way with our stakeholders.
Speaker BAh, these are some great areas of opportunity.
Speaker BNow, we always remember that the person we're providing answers to has a great deal of context knowledge from their domain and experience, but they may not have shared that with you.
Speaker BThey may not have realized that could be really helpful to you doing an even better job.
Speaker BYou having a better idea of what's the target that you're shooting for.
Speaker BYou know all about the data and the analytics.
Speaker BYou know all about how you do certain things in your function.
Speaker BBut what is it that they're really trying to get to?
Speaker BBut you also have a lot of knowledge and experience and context information from inside your team and your team's domain that's going to be very helpful to them.
Speaker BSo if you're doing, for example, contracting, that person does contracting every once in a while for something that might be a commercial partner of yours.
Speaker BYour team does contracting every minute of every day in lots of different situations.
Speaker BSo you can be learning from that as well.
Speaker BNow, this, we keep talking about context knowledge.
Speaker BContext knowledge is the stuff that makes you say it depends.
Speaker BIt makes you recognize that there's often not one best answer, not one golden nugget silver bullet to all situations, but that in any one situation, not all answers are equally good for that situation.
Speaker BSo if in answering the question, you find yourself saying it depends, whether that's out loud or in your mind a lot, that's awesome.
Speaker BYou're our kind of person.
Speaker BIf you don't find yourself saying it, then you should pay especially close attention to this episode, because that's the way the world is.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo be aware of how you know how that context knowledge is shared with other people in your team, how that context knowledge is shared with other people in your network, how that context knowledge is shared with the stakeholders that depend on you or that you work with to serve other stakeholders.
Speaker BAnd as a result, a lot of that context knowledge is available to everybody already.
Speaker BWe just have to focus on it and those kinds of questions and what we're talking about here and is what gets that out and upfront and really adding value.
Speaker BSo, Ian, we're focusing a lot on the benefits of this internal advisor mindset to the person making the request, the person that came to us.
Speaker BWhat about to the benefits of our listeners here?
Speaker BThe benefits to the person who are fielding the requests, who have up to this point, primarily been providing answers.
Speaker AI think this is another reason why it's good to take a moment to reflect on which of the many possible benefits is playing the most strongly in your mind.
Speaker APeople that we've worked with who have been trying to turn themselves into more of a partner, more of an advisor, have found typically, number one, that the job itself becomes more interesting.
Speaker ALots of us are in the kind of work that we're in because it's intellectually interesting and stimulating, but actually thinking more carefully about context in this way makes the job itself more interesting.
Speaker ASecond of all, I think it increases learning.
Speaker AAnd we know from really lots of research that human beings are very, very strongly motivated by the desire to master skills and improve themselves.
Speaker ASo if that's you, then learning something about context is a really important and valid bit of extra personal learning.
Speaker ANumber three, if you care about the value, the consequences and the impact of what you do and how it affects the rest of the organization, then I think it's really clear that thinking more carefully about your advisory work creates more value for you and for the team and for the company from a professional point of view and from a personal point of view.
Speaker ASo it makes the job more interesting.
Speaker AWe learn more, we get to exchange more value as a result.
Speaker AAnd then finally, I think it brings networking into play.
Speaker AAnd we've had conversations before on the podcast about how challenged we all are sometimes in our kind of technical and scientific world to take networking seriously.
Speaker AIf you ever needed a reason, then elevating yourself up the pyramid is a really, really good reason to pay more attention to extending the depth and the interest of your personal network, making relationship building part of the job and part of your value, rather than just an abstract exercise in, you know, how many friends have you got?
Speaker BThose are some of the benefits of using and kind of moving up the pyramid, learning to work at different levels.
Speaker BWhat should we look out for along the way?
Speaker AMike, this is a really good moment because we've kind of sold it quite hard, right?
Speaker AWe've said we've got these three levels.
Speaker AIt's really going to help us.
Speaker AIt's going to transform the way people see us.
Speaker AWe have some great benefits.
Speaker AWe should talk about where we might get stuck because knowing that, I think, is going to increase our confidence.
Speaker AFor me, trap number one is what I call the perfectionism trap.
Speaker ALots of professionals get stuck at the foundation level because they really want to be respected for delivering perfect completist answers to the questions that they field.
Speaker AAnd that then takes priority over the value and the strategic context for the insights.
Speaker AThat means that we spend time, an unlimited amount of time, adding pieces of detail, adding pieces that make it both correct and complete.
Speaker AAnd that means that we miss opportunity.
Speaker AWe don't have enough hours and minutes left in the day to think about the strategic value.
Speaker ASo being perfect and seeing perfect as being complete is a problem for us.
Speaker AOf course, accuracy is important, but perfectionism can prevent you from asking the bigger questions or providing some contextual insights.
Speaker AAnd an insight that's delivered on time with, with a bit of knowledge of context but is only 80% accurate is more valuable than a perfect analysis that's delivered too late for people to understand it or for it to influence decisions.
Speaker ASo we should not let the perfect be the enemy of better.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI've got a couple of bullet wounds, scars that remind me of what I've done, just exactly that.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BEddie, I think the other one is this kind of scope limitation mindset, a pitfall that involves artificially limiting our scope to our formal job description.
Speaker BYou kind of alluded to this a few minutes ago.
Speaker BMany professionals assume that they should only provide expertise within their specific functional area.
Speaker BMissing opportunities to add strategic value by connecting their expertise to the broader organizational challenges or to the specific goals or challenges or opportunities of their stakeholders.
Speaker BTo say, I need to understand it about my area, but I also need to understand it about the people I'm answering questions for or working with to answer questions.
Speaker BAnd by doing that, we start to think beyond just functional boundaries.
Speaker BAnd our expertise becomes more valuable when we can connect it to these broader business challenges and opportunities, even if those connections, and I would say, especially when those connections cross traditional organizational silos.
Speaker BYou know, this is the.
Speaker BFrom silo thinking to process thinking to, you know, our informational connection, all of this says we Know that to really do well, to really create and exchange more value, we have to be able to be both within and across this way.
Speaker AGood.
Speaker ASo, Mike, one way to put that is it's a kind of skepticism, right?
Speaker AWe're saying we should be skeptical about boundaries and silos.
Speaker AI think we can in general be skeptical of anything that we or somebody else thinks they know is.
Speaker ASo what do we think is true?
Speaker ASo this is the assumption acceptance trap or the assumption acceptance pattern.
Speaker AThis involves accepting requests at face value without ever questioning the underlying assumptions.
Speaker ALike the star shaped hole in the glass of the windshield of the car.
Speaker ALike not challenging the assumption.
Speaker ALike, why are we not thinking about just replacing the whole windshield?
Speaker AAnd assuming that people were correct and had all the right assumptions when they originally put their question to us is one of the things that is most likely to keep us stuck at the foundation level.
Speaker ABecause then all you're doing is optimizing your own workload in efficiently answering questions rather than thinking about effectiveness in answering the right questions and in particular in answering questions that solve problems.
Speaker ASo good internal advisors who have this strategic mindset have the habit of gently probing assumptions.
Speaker ASo they take a moment.
Speaker AIt could just be a few sentences, just an exchange of emails, or five more minutes in the call to look at assumptions before diving into the analysis.
Speaker ASo they ask questions like, what's driving this request?
Speaker AOr what would change if we discovered something different?
Speaker AFind out what your frame is for the answer that you're expecting.
Speaker AThis kind of probing helps you to ensure that you're solving the right problem rather than just answering the stated question.
Speaker AAnd I think spotting that moment, Mike, where you can just gently uncover the assumptions and test them out is a really critical moment in the life of an advisor.
Speaker BYeah, I'll tell you, I remember going back a number of years, you know, both this assumption, the scope limitation, the perfectionism.
Speaker BMy daughter was having horrific medical issues and we were being sent from specialist to specialist to specialist to specialists, getting nowhere.
Speaker BAnd we finally landed with one specialist who had a daughter exactly her age and stepped back and took this personally to say, wait a minute, what if this were my daughter?
Speaker BAnd instead of doing what every other specialist had said, which was, nope, in my lane, I don't see this.
Speaker BAnd I did this work based on this thing, and therefore my answer is, and went and looked across everything that everybody had done, and in looking across all that actually was the breakthrough that we needed.
Speaker BSo I think not only in organizations, but in real life, this ability to say, you know, let me start with the mindset of the person I'm answering the question for.
Speaker BAnd, you know, really, I mean, the.
Speaker BThe value that they added to us and our family and my daughter's life is just unbelievable.
Speaker BSo this really rings home for me here.
Speaker BIt.
Speaker BSo we've been working with why to do this, what to do, some pitfalls to avoid.
Speaker BCan we really get down to immediately applying these concepts and helping our listeners as internal advisors with some exercises that they can use as diagnostic tools and development challenges?
Speaker AMike, that's a really, really great question.
Speaker AI think, like you say, we've talked enough about the why and the what.
Speaker ALet's talk a little bit about the how.
Speaker AAnd you and I work with our clients a lot on these kind of topics.
Speaker AWe know that they really start to see the difference when they start applying things.
Speaker AI have a couple of ideas that I want to share, but I know earlier on we were talking about a particular exercise that you had in mind.
Speaker ATell us, what was that about?
Speaker BYeah, yeah, this is.
Speaker BThis is the idea of anytime you have a request, start reframing it.
Speaker BSo, say just for the next week.
Speaker BAnd every time somebody makes a request of you, pause before responding and ask yourself three questions.
Speaker BNumber one, what decision is this request really about?
Speaker BWhat decision you're trying to make?
Speaker BWhat action are you trying to take?
Speaker BNumber one.
Speaker BNumber two, what constraints might be influencing this request?
Speaker BAnd some of these we can ask directly.
Speaker BSome of it we might be saying, well, let me think about it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd number three, what would success look like, like, from the point of view of the person making the request from their perspective?
Speaker BIf we know this, if our team members know these things from past, that's great.
Speaker BEven better.
Speaker BAsk them.
Speaker BAnd then before providing your standard response, ask at least one clarifying question that demonstrates that you're thinking beyond the immediate request.
Speaker BFor example, if somebody says, you know, I'd like you to run a budget variance report, you might say, what specific decisions are you hoping this report will inform?
Speaker BOr are there particular areas of concern you'd like me to focus upon?
Speaker BAnd this reframing, this request, reframing practice helps us move from that foundational level of answering questions up towards and into the middle level of understanding the problem or the opportunity by ensuring that you've got a bit more of the broader context before diving into a, if you will, a tactical response.
Speaker AYeah, that's great, Mike.
Speaker AAnd it's a good habit to have, like you say, right at the beginning of any process of doing data analysis or report writing.
Speaker AMy tip is going to be for what we can do after we've done our piece of work, whatever it is.
Speaker AI'm going to call this the value add identification.
Speaker ASo at the end of a piece of work, or even better, just at the end of every day, look at the interactions you had, look at the questions you have answered for other people, and identify some moments where you think you could have added more value, more value in the context of the bigger picture, more strategic value.
Speaker ASo this prompts us to think more widely than just satisfactorily coming up with the data to answer the question.
Speaker AThis prompts us to look for instances where I did provide what exactly was asked for, but I didn't explore something else that could have been more useful.
Speaker ASo write down an additional question that you could have asked with the benefit of hindsight.
Speaker ALike doing this at the end of the day or the end of the piece of work allows you to have 2020 hindsight and credit yourself with all of that.
Speaker AWhat additional insight do you think might have been available?
Speaker AA retrospective analysis might allow you to look ahead at the beginning of the next opportunity to operate it a bit more strategically.
Speaker AAnd if you're just giving a little bit of self criticism, self reflection, at the end of a piece of work, you might start to recognize opportunities as they come in, in real time.
Speaker ABut jumping straight in and identifying new context and new opportunities from the very, very beginning is going to take a little bit of a learning curve.
Speaker ASo give yourself the chance to exploit the learning curve by looking back at the end and saying, what could I have done differently?
Speaker AWhat questions could I have asked that would have elevated my contribution somehow?
Speaker BAnd I love this because I think the first one is somebody who's more like, I want to jump right into it and be a little more proactive.
Speaker BSecond one say, okay, let's say maybe you're still not ready to do that.
Speaker BAll right, let's look at it afterwards and ask ourselves and think about it and process it a little bit more, because then you will have that ahead of time.
Speaker BI like that.
Speaker BYou know, I'm an old strategy guy.
Speaker BLet me add a third one, a strategic context map.
Speaker BBecause of course, we've said strategic and we said context.
Speaker BAnd I always love having a map.
Speaker BSo choose three of your regular, if you will, customers, three of the people that you are typically advising or fielding requests from.
Speaker BThey're coming to you for information analysis, perhaps recommendations, perhaps just data for each person.
Speaker BCreate a simple map, if you will, that includes what are their key responsibilities, what are their current challenges, what are their success metrics what do they get measured on and what are their upcoming decisions?
Speaker BAnd this starts to, you know, you're doing a little bit of the work ahead of time for your three, if you will, best customers or most frequent customers, to build that context ahead of time.
Speaker BIt helps you to understand their world more completely, which allows you to provide more relevant and strategic support.
Speaker BAnd when they make requests, you then connect your response back to this broader context rather than just fielding that immediate questions.
Speaker BSo continue to update these maps.
Speaker BI would come back to them monthly.
Speaker BAnd your organization may have certain cycles too, you know, really heavy, then we're in between.
Speaker BYou can use those cycles to learn more about evolving priorities and challenges.
Speaker BAnd this helps you develop that strategic thinking that characterizes top level advisors.
Speaker AIf I was going to push it even further, if there's somebody out there who's an important customer or an important stakeholder and I've got a good relationship with them and they're likely to respond well, I could even take my strategic context, my map to them maybe when I'm doing a little bit of review and saying, this is what I think your priorities and your hurdles and your challenges are, help me make it better.
Speaker AIt might generate an interesting conversation all by itself.
Speaker BI love that, Mike.
Speaker ALike you say, I love a map.
Speaker ALet's see if we can get a visual about that, share that online somewhere.
Speaker AThat's really great.
Speaker ALet's look back at everything that we've talked about so far in today's episode and see what are our final thoughts.
Speaker AIt seems to me that the key to this whole internal advisor mindset is, number one, recognizing that we're doing already interesting consultative work and that it's about becoming intentional, about adding value rather than just seeing it happen by accident.
Speaker AThis mindset isn't about changing so much what you do, it's about changing how you think about it and what you do.
Speaker AKind of in the cracks to be more strategic about the value that you create.
Speaker AI remember well, Mike, you said that the process of elevating ourselves up the pyramid isn't about abandoning the foundation, it's actually about building on it.
Speaker ASo we still need to be able to answer questions accurately, we still need to be able to provide reliable expertise, but we need to think strategically about how our expertise can address bigger problems and create greater value.
Speaker AI think that's been the key thing for me, moving up from the foundation, building on it so that we're creating more value.
Speaker BYeah, I absolutely agree, Ian.
Speaker BThis internal advisor mindset is ultimately about seeing ourselves as strategic contributors.
Speaker BRather than just insert your job title or function here, functional experts, mid level managers, senior individual contributors, program project managers, whatever, those are your strategic contributors within them.
Speaker BAnd when we make that shift, we find that others begin to see us differently too, which creates greater opportunities to have even greater impact and for career advancement.
Speaker BSo I think there's, you know, this is, this is one where it is absolutely win, win, win.
Speaker AVery good.
Speaker AI know we've enjoyed talking about it, Mike.
Speaker AI hope listeners, we hope you are enjoying this conversation as well, especially if we've lit one or two light bulbs about how you work internally as an advisor and about what might be in it for all of us if we can get even more intentional.
Speaker ALike you said, Mike, thank you very much for listening to this week's episode of Consulting for Humans.
Speaker ANext time, our Strategic Partner Internal Advisor series continues with Part three, Asking Better Questions.
Speaker AWe've hinted at it a few times.
Speaker ANext week we're going to get deeper into the mechanics of how do you ask really great questions.
Speaker ALike the title says, we're going to build on the foundational skill of answer giving to the much more interesting and deeper skill of question asking and better diagnosis of problems.
Speaker AWe hope that you've enjoyed this week's episode.
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