I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah Industries, manufacturer

of specialty metal roofing and other building materials.

Today, my co host is Ethan Young.

Ethan, you haven't been on here in a while.

We've missed you.

How you

I've, uh, I'm doing good.

I've kind of avoided it, I guess.

Nah, I'm just kidding.

Avoided it.

No, we always have a, have a good time talking to a lot of

interesting people and, you know, hearing their stories and their perspectives.

So glad to be back.

Glad you're here.

Well, yeah, it's kind of like a life sentence being on the show.

So we're glad you're here.

So I do have a question for you.

Yeah.

Why did the pony ask for a glass of water?

Cause his throat was a little hoarse.

Because it was a little horse.

Good one.

I was going to be disappointed if you didn't get that, so I'm glad you got that.

So as a reminder to our audience, once again on this episode, we

are doing our challenge words.

And that means that each one of us on the show today has been given a special word

or phrase by one of the others that we are challenged to work into the conversation

somehow as seamlessly as possible.

And at the end of the show, we will Reveal what our words were and whether

we were successful or not, and you, the audience, all along can be guessing

what our challenge words might be.

So, Ethan, you ready to go?

Yeah, I'm ready.

Let's do it.

Okay.

So, how do you prepare an industry as wide and varied as construction for the future?

Um, that's a great question.

And our guest today is someone with years of leadership experience who is, who is

preparing our industry for the future.

And he sees that as his burning passion.

Today's guest is Mr. Clyde King of Buckhannon, West Virginia.

Clyde, I want to say, served in the U. S. Marine Corps for eight years.

Thanks so much for your service, Clyde.

And then he entered the AEC trades focused on commercial construction, where he has

built a career over the last 30 years.

Someone who loves a challenge, Clyde has spent his recent years focused on

mentoring and training younger folks in our industry, helping to continue the

legacy of those in construction of, you know, those great folks in construction

who have built and grown our nation.

Clyde, welcome to Construction Disruption.

Pleasure to have you today as our guest.

Glad to be here.

Thank you for having me.

Well, again, I want to thank you for your service to our country.

That means a great deal to us.

And, um, one thing I noted, I thought was really interesting was that you

were a drummer in the U. S. Marine Corps Field Drum and Bugle Corps.

Um, before we start talking about carpentry and construction, tell us a

little bit what that was like to be in the, uh, Field Drum and Bugle Corps.

It was an honor.

Um, we got music.

I've been playing drums.

Well, Probably since I was in first grade, so like seven, and I just turned 60.

Wow,

um, but no, I mean, I was always loved, um, marching

field shows in junior high.

I believe we went to see eighth and I, um, for a Friday evening parade.

And I was like, you know what, if I can do it.

That's what I want to do.

So my junior year, I took an audition and was accepted on a music guarantee.

And then after graduation, um, I went to Parris Island, then

went to the school, naval school of music at Norfolk, Virginia.

It's Little Creek's, the, the base, Little Creek Amputee Base is where the school is.

Then from there, um, back then, they kind of had different things with heighth,

and me being on the short side, I didn't go to eighth and I. I went to 29 Palms,

to the Field Drum Corps, and spent from, I was out there from 1984 through 1990.

that had to have been pretty interesting and cool because everyone is

just marveled whenever they see any of the USMC music groups and just amazing.

So thank you.

That's fantastic.

If I'm not mistaken Maybe I'm drawing off of memory wrong here West Virginia

kind of has a bit of a storied history with drum and bugle corps groups

Don't they aren't there a number of real solid ones that have come out

of West Virginia over the years?

Back in the 70s, I believe, um, Pennsylvania, And like, uh, like the

Garfield cadets were out of Garfield, New Jersey, Pennsylvania had to cross,

been in a couple other smaller cores, but like you're a lot of your class A cores,

your open class DCI cores were mainly Midwest, West coast, and then East coast.

Yeah, cool.

Neat stuff.

I always enjoy watching that.

I was never anywhere close to that level of a musician, but, uh, amazing.

So, throughout your career, um, you have worked on a lot of areas

including carpentry, estimating, quality control, being a foreman.

Um, can you give us kind of an overview of your career after

you left the Marine Corps?

Well, after I had moved back home to PA and went to work for.

A subcontractor that was doing, uh, metal studs and drywall, they happened to be

subbing to a job for my dad's company.

Dad left the architectural firm that he was with and became part

owner of a general contractor.

And then throughout those 14 years, I was with the non union side.

Um, everybody kept saying, it's like, why don't you just go into the GC side and

take over for your dad when he retires?

Well, there's, there's a story there or why I didn't, because me and one of the

other owners, we kind of grew up together and we'd, we'd have been button heads.

So I was like, no.

Sometimes we know when a recipe is not made for something good.

So I just kind of, but I went to work.

For actually, it started out as a labor with them, but from my

background with design and everything from dad and then plus working

in the summers when I was home.

Um, it's a Boy Scout camp and that we did be doing carpentry working at

there on the camp for the Boy Scouts.

Um, the foreman knew my background.

I spent a week as a laborer and then I was in tools.

And then within three years I was running, oh, an eight or nine hundred

thousand dollar interior project.

And that was, uh, that was the start of what led to a whole lot more.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I was with that company for 14 years and finally had enough

of a project manager and he wasn't giving, he wasn't supporting the

field superintendents at all.

And I had enough.

I went to the owner.

It's like, either he goes or I go.

He was like, well, he just, I was like, he doesn't need to be in a position he's in.

He doesn't know what he's doing.

And I went to the foreman.

I said, Friday's my last day.

And he goes like, where are you going?

Says, I don't know yet, but by Friday, I'll have another job.

And I did.

I went to work as a superintendent for another interior company.

superintendent had

a heart attack.

So they just, I just finished up a million dollar project under them on another site.

And I was like, well, you know everything that's going on because you

handled all the subs on that project.

So we'll just pay you 28 hours a week from us.

You know, as a ticket, and then, you know, the company

can cover your remaining hours.

So, that, that project, I was kind of bouncing between

the GC side and the sub side.

And then, when we finished it up, is when I had moved down here to West Virginia,

and Ended up joining the union in 2007 and have been literally doing anything and

everything that carpenters do since then.

so all types of projects then you're involved with today.

I mean, commercial, residential,

well, not, we don't really do much residential.

yeah.

Um, we do have a couple of contractors that do some residential work.

The scale's lower, and the benefit package is different.

So I try to stay on the commercial and industrial side.

Well, during your time in all of that.

You know, one of the things you've really developed a passion for, and I know

you and I have spoke before, um, has been leadership and also for training

and encouraging others in our industry.

Kind of curious, where does that drive come from for you?

I mean, is that something you've had your whole life?

You like to bring others along, or did it sort of come out of your Marine

Corps experience, or maybe just because you saw a real need for it out there?

I'm kind of curious what brought that all to be.

It came, the leadership I learned as a Marine when I

became an NCO, I still apply to this day on different things.

You know, trying to get everybody to work together, because even though

I was in the music field, um, we still have to go out and train.

Because during combat, our basic secondary MOS is the commanding general's

perimeter guard and that for the base.

Oh, interesting.

And when Saddam invaded Kuwait, we were up in Washington

State and had our air transportation yanked out from under us, uh, because

they were shipping everybody over.

When we got back down to 29 Palms, we ended up not having

to go over, but I spent my last few months as an MP on the base.

And we had some kids that had never, you know, been in that situation, so

we were trying to train and, um, so, so throughout, you know, their time,

I had a bunch of friends that ended up going over eventually, and I've lost

some friends over there the 1st time and this last time, but, you know, it's.

One of those things, it's, you're always going to have evil in

the world in one way or another.

We all just kind of have to, you know, deal with it in our own way.

Getting close to retirement, I started seeing different friends post on LinkedIn,

you know, trying to pass knowledge on, and that's really what started it.

It's like, you know, I'm 60 now, I just turned 60 in November.

I can go at 62.

Uh, because I'll have 20 years on the union side then, you know, it's like

this knowledge has to get out there.

So that's what started my random thoughts.

And then my other 1, my construction talks unfiltered, which that 1

actually started as to get some information out there about some.

Companies that are, in my eyes, doing things wrong.

Like, uh, my first couple posts wasn't naming any companies, and I won't.

When you've got a superintendent that's playing favoritism at everything with

guys, you know, that's absolutely wrong.

When you've got guys that are outperforming these guys, and then

they're getting laid off and you're keeping the guys that aren't performing

because they're one of your favorites.

Yeah, that's, that's for the talks unfiltered.

That was like, you know, I'm just going to speak my mind.

Now, well, tell us a little bit more about your videos

and things you have out there.

I know you've been spending a lot of time on that.

They're, they're on YouTube.

Is that correct?

Um, I'm trying to get some up on YouTube, but mainly

I've just been keeping everything on the LinkedIn platform.

Um, the construction talks unfiltered.

They're like my video podcast, but they're normally broke down because LinkedIn

will only let you upload 10 minutes.

So, a 30 minute conversation gets broke down to 3 or 4 sessions.

You know, even though I continue it, but I do all my own editing and, and everything.

I use, um, software called Wondershare Filmora that I

was using for the race team.

And I was like, well, I could use the same thing here, bring

the interview off a stream yard.

Into it, but then start breaking down and adding music or doing different things.

And that's where that came from.

encourage folks to check them out for sure.

Well, going back to your career, I mean, you know, you've been

in construction 30 or so years.

Um, what are some of the significant changes you've seen

in the industry over that time?

One significant change that it's still being slow to be

adopted is the switch to digital drawings and digital paperwork.

I mean, I've got probably 15 or 20 of the old big green construction

logbooks full of notes in that from over the years on projects where I ran.

Um, so yeah, that switch over to digital bringing more of quality control.

Into things to, you know, help try to alleviate rework and then just like on

the carpentry side back when I first started when we were laying out talking

lines, putting down bottom tracking that we'd be up at the deck with our

thumb on a plumb bob dangling down to hit that line to mark for the top track.

Well, now we've got rotating lasers and spot lasers and everything

else that, you know, weren't around back in the early 90s.

Well, I mean, talking about that and technology and

things, how do you find that you keep yourself up with technology?

I mean, you, you kind of seem to have a natural bent that way

toward tech, but, um, how, how do you keep up with everything?

One, I find it fascinating to a point.

Um, and then two, my really dove into research and that for the tech through my

Dirt track racing, the evolution of dirt late models from the mid nineties to now,

and all the adjustments and everything that you can do to them, you have to stay

on top of The mechanics and the physics of what flows where what weight transfers,

otherwise, you're just going to be sitting around around the back of the pack.

So that's where the drive to keep learning things kind of started.

But then it's like, you know, I can better my career.

I can hopefully get myself into position because, yeah,

I might pull my pension at 62.

I'll never walk away from construction until probably they put me in the ground.

I'll be involved in one way or another, either going to start my own consulting

business, or if somebody has me in as a superintendent project manager, where I'm

completely out of my tools that I could mentor their younger ones, you know,

that's, you know, all well and good.

Well, yeah, it becomes part of your DNA.

I mean, it's who you are at this point and that's, uh, that's cool.

So dirt track racing, I don't know a ton about that, but is that what they

do at Eldora Speedway here in Ohio?

Okay.

that's one track.

I've been there.

We haven't had the car there, but we did have the, we did race at Bristol

back in 2001 when they first put dirt on the high banks for the very first time.

They did it in 2001 and 2002.

We didn't go back down because we heard a motor the year before while we were there.

So we ended up not actually getting to run the heat races and features.

We heard the motor practice, but.

That's, you know, that love, that passion of going fast and

yeah, it's, it's still there.

Cool stuff.

Good, good deal.

So, you've been a member of the union, the United Brotherhood of Carpenters.

Um, I'm just kind of curious, uh, for our younger audience members out

there, what do you see as the key benefits or even challenges to union

membership, um, for our industry?

One of the key benefits is the training, bar none.

Um, if you go, actually, I didn't go through the apprenticeship because

I had already had so many years.

Experience, but for the younger ones coming in going through the

apprenticeship, you'll get to learn each aspect about the carpentry

trade just for the carpenters because we do for coverings.

We do, uh, ceramic tile, um.

metal studs, drywall, exterior framing, uh, scaffold building, you know,

or what we do covers a wide gamut.

And if you go through certain cities and that, because the apprenticeship

and that is so big, they kind of try to make them specialize into

like one area, either concrete or metal studs and drywall and that.

But down here, since we only have two locals in the state now, since we kind

of, Combine everything with the Eastern Atlantic States Council, um, we get

the guys trained in everything that we do so they can go out, you know,

and on the job and feel confident.

Okay, I can perform, but then, like I said, you know, the advantage

is the training and the safety.

There's been way, way too many, unfortunately.

In my first 14 to 16 years, I was on projects where three people were killed.

Um, one was a ditch collapse, which they should have never been digging

that day because I literally walked out of my boots and I wore lace up

boots trying to get into the building.

My boot got stuck down in In the mud, and I literally came

up out of my laced up boots.

Another one, they overloaded the scaffold with the masons, and

the scaffold collapse killed two.

And another one, they were, um, the backup alarm wasn't working on a dozer,

and the operator didn't see the guy.

So, yeah, I mean, safety wise is another big one.

And then, of course, The benefits, a lot of your non union companies are

paying great wages, real comparable to what we make on the hour.

But then they're asking the guys to take money out of that, to help them cover the

cost of their health insurance or their 401k, you know, even though the employer's

matching a little bit with us, with the benefit package, my healthcare, my pension

and everything is completely part, it doesn't come out of my hourly check.

That's a separate part of the package.

Gotcha.

Makes a lot of sense.

Oh, thank you for that.

It's good stuff.

So, you were part of helping to write a book, um, that was called

Elevating Construction Foreman.

Tell us a little bit about that and why that's important to you.

Again, it goes back to being able to pass the knowledge on to help

leaders, um, today learn to be able to, one, handle the guys, you know,

two, be able to keep track of things.

That was, I forget how many was in that conglomeration,

collaboration, but it was through Jason Schroeder with, um, Elevating

the trades or elevate construction.

It is the main thing he does.

He's got books and elevating construction superintendents, um, lean, tact and

everything else that being able to bring the foreman up to speed and how they

talk to people and talk to their crews in today's day and age when I came in,

we were still screaming and yelling at each other to go get things done.

Well, you know, that doesn't work all the time.

Some guys you still have to do that with, I will say, though, but most of

the time, if you talk to some of these younger kids like that now, they're

just going to blow you off and say, I don't care, and that's the other reason.

It's like, you know, we're out here building a legacy for future generations.

What we do now affects years from now.

As far as building,

Absolutely.

Now, and, and the, you know, you brought up the safety aspect and even

the building safety aspect, making sure the construction is done well.

So, um, it is long term safe as well.

So, so one of the things that caught my eye at the top of your LinkedIn

profile, and I know Clyde would be happy to connect with anyone on there,

but on top of your profile, it says, believe in yourself and your patience.

Um, where's that come from?

And what do you hope people take from that?

just to get people to realize that they have the power

within themselves, you know, believe in your abilities, believe in your

passions, you know, show your leadership skills, let the world know that,

hey, you know, this is what I've done or not being braggy about it.

But this is what I've done.

This is what I can bring to the table.

What are some of the challenges that you're seeing

emerging in construction right now?

And, um, that you see maybe, you know, things we need to be really trying

to address here in coming years.

One of the biggest challenges, and I've been taking a bunch of webinars

and that about, is mental health.

Mental health in the construction industry is a major problem.

Um, one forefront out of Washington does different webinars and that

that I've sat in on and taken.

Well, the one was dealing about the social studies and of

the Dave Dunn as far as data.

And everything else on how mental health affects communities, well,

that translate right translates big time right into mental health and

construction and it's, you know, for years, it was always in the shadows.

I mean, it's been around mental health problems in the construction

industry had been around since the 70s.

I mean, you get hurt on a job, you're going to go, doctor's going to prescribe

you pain pills, you're going to go back to work, you're going to keep popping pills

because it helps you get through that day, well then you start to get anxiety because

you're hurting, you know, it, it gets to be a great big downward spiral, and kind

of gets, you know, it's gotten out of hand, and that's one reason why, um, yeah.

For those of you out there that have seen some of my random thoughts,

you'll see that I have an alter ego, my Blues Brothers hat, and my dark

glasses, and I go under the synonym of Clyde Blues, and we're talking about

mental health, you know, things like alcohol, opioids, and things of that

nature, to just keep it Everybody aware of it and what it does affect.

I've seen way too many people go down a very bad path with, you

know, a mental health problem.

We had one worker that I had worked with, but he thought

his wife was cheating on him.

She wasn't.

Well, he called her one day and to come home, he needed

her at the house right now.

She pulled in the driveway and walked up to the barn.

He blew his head off right in front of her.

I mean, you know, it's mental health is a big time problem in the industry.

No, it is.

And I'm glad you brought that up.

We did have a previous guest on a number of episodes ago, a gentleman

by the name of Chad Dunlap.

And, uh, Chad works for a large commercial roofing firm, but mental health in

our industry is a passion of his.

And he goes around and speaks with students and so forth and really

trying to raise awareness and also to help with suicide prevention,

being another passion of his.

Thanks, Peter.

No, I'm glad you're addressing that as well, because it, it

does seem to affect our industry disproportionately, no doubt about it.

While we're on the topic of challenges, one thing I wanted to ask you,

Clyde, especially you mentioned a couple of times through the interview about, you

know, talking to younger generations and that's something that we've heard from a

lot of different people we've interviewed and, you know, including a guy that helps

run a trade school is just how can we get this younger generation more involved?

How can we kind of, you know, keep this tradition going and not, you know, not

just, you know, a lot of people get.

Oh, you know, kids don't want to do manual labor.

They don't want to, you know, it's like chopping firewood or whatever.

They don't, you know, they didn't grow up doing any of that.

So they don't want to do construction, but what's your opinion on all that?

What do you think we could, we could do to improve it?

One of the main things is when they took the shop classes

and that out of the schools.

And when the schools and the public school system kept promoting college,

kept promoting college, that deterred a lot of young talent away from the trades.

And now they're finding out that, hey, we can make a lot of money into trades.

So we're starting to see more and more come back.

But, you know, I mean, it's still a problem.

But one place to start, um, there's an instructor in a school in New Jersey.

That I follow on LinkedIn that he works with middle school kids, teaching

them how to, um, for doing plumbing and carpentry and everything else.

And, you know, that's a great program.

I wish that most school districts would start trying

to bring things like that back.

Absolutely.

It seems like, you know, trying to get people interested, kids interested

when they're younger and just exposed to things so that they know the

opportunities are out there, uh, seems to be a real positive thing.

Yeah,

So we've talked a lot about, you know, where you are today, and,

um, I know that, you know, you've got this burning passion for the industry.

Um, What, you know, looking out a little bit, you said, you know, you may go into

consulting or who knows, but what is the impact you would like to say, uh, have

folks later say you left on the industry?

just the fact that, you know, I helped pass knowledge on and help.

Young, younger ones realize that passion in themselves to help continue

that legacy, which is another thing that I've tried to do with a couple

of our apprentices that I've had working with me the last couple of

years, you know, being with the union, you get so many different guys for

a job and then they might move on.

Well, when I have an apprentice with me, being in the trades for so many

years, I've got Doubles, triples, and quadruples of so many of the hand tools

that, you know, we're supposed to carry.

Um, you know, power tools and that are technically up to the contractor,

but our hand tools, you know, your hammer, your saw, square, framing

square, you know, things of that nature, we're supposed to have all the time.

So, when a young apprentice, especially a first year, comes along and works with me,

before he leaves me, I give him one of my tools that I've got doubles or triples of.

You know, I've passed on a handsaw to him to keep in his toolbox from then on,

uh, framing square, um, one youngster I had, we were doing some door hardware.

And trying to replace some doors, I had to get my impact screwdriver out

that has a great big number three tip.

Then you smack with a hammer to get that screw to loosen up.

I showed him how to use that.

Well, when he left me, that went in his toolbox for him

to carry with him for future.

That's cool.

Yeah, they'll certainly remember you for that as well.

That's good stuff.

Well, Clyde, this has been a great discussion.

We're thankful for your time today.

Um, we're close to wrapping up kind of what we call the business end of things.

Is there anything we haven't covered yet today that you wanted to be

sure to share with our audience?

Just the fact that for companies out there, you

know, look to your older workers.

Lean on them for advice at times if they need, you know, take them into

the office if you need to let them come in and learn a little bit about that.

And if they haven't had that experience, but they can also pass their knowledge

down like for superintendents, you got a young superintendent sticking with

one that's been around for a while.

Let him learn from them on, because every building, it doesn't matter

if it's retail, um, a hospital, yeah, the codes might change.

You might have different fire rating things that you have to deal with.

But still, the basic principle of any building has a step by step process

from the underground, clear through to hanging the curtains, and, you

know, lean on the older generation to show you all some shortcuts.

Um, like, one of the things I pride myself on is my ability to think

on my feet sometimes on a project.

The One theater that I ran, they started me three months behind because of design

changes, and then they kept pushing the timeline, pushing the time frame.

Well, I kind of looked at the superintendent and was like, stay

in your trailer, you know, if it's something important, come get me.

Let me bounce the trades around, because the only way we're going to get this done

is if everybody works together, and it's going to mean bouncing around because

you're missing material for something.

Well, let them get in here and get their work done.

And, you know, that ability has served me well, and it's also shot

me in the foot a couple times, but, you know, things happen.

You, you learn and grow.

Above all, keep learning.

Love it.

Good advice.

Great stuff.

So, um, one of the things that we always do here at the end of the show

is what we call rapid fire questions.

So these are 7 questions.

We will ask you.

You have no idea.

We're going to ask.

Um, some are serious, some are silly.

Um, all you have to do is give a response.

So you want to give it a try for rapid challenge, rapid fire?

Yeah, why not?

Awesome.

Um, Ethan, you want to ask question number one?

Yeah, I can get us started.

Um, oh, this is always a fun one.

Uh, what's a product or service that you bought recently that

was a game changer for you?

I'd say product was one of my, um, stair tread tools

for measuring stair treads.

I used to do it the old fashioned way.

Yeah, that little tool saves a lot of time.

Nice.

Good stuff, good answer.

Um, question number two.

What is your favorite meal?

Manicotti.

Manicotti.

See, now I think that and I think Manicotti with a tangerine for dessert.

I'm good to go.

So, good one.

Uh, question number three.

I guess we already kind of talked about this, but what did the eight year old

Clyde dream of being when he grew up?

The eight year old me, definitely wanted to be a

drummer or an architect with dad.

So is this going to be a drummer in a rock band

or what was this going to be?

More than likely, probably rock band.

I, I've got a diverse music back style.

I mean, I listen to club music, I listen to some country, but I do

like my heavy metal, heavier rock.

good stuff.

Okay, next question.

Oh, if you had to eat a crayon, what color of crayon would you choose to eat, Clyde?

Uh, probably a red one to go with my blood stripes on my uniform.

Okay, gotcha.

Good one.

I honestly don't know where the crayon thing started with the marines.

Oh, yeah.

That's an inside joke with a lot of marines about, you

know, we're crayoneating lunatics.

Oh my, I did not even know that.

Oh, that's interesting.

Had no idea of that when I asked that question.

but yeah, it's probably be a red one to go with

the blood stripes on my uniform.

Oh, this is a fun question.

Okay.

Um, would you rather have to shout all the time or only whisper?

Only whisper when I shout.

You can hear me across the job site.

You know it.

Oh, good answer.

Next to last question.

So, um, what historical figure, dead or alive, would you like to have dinner with?

And what is one question you'd want to ask them?

I'm gonna throw this one out there.

Be Frank Lloyd Wright

Oh,

to go with my architectural 'cause I love architecture and the

one question I would ask him was what prompted him to do designs

like falling water, which is 13 miles from my parents' house in pa.

oh, wow.

And to bring nature in to that design, the way he did there.

That would be a fascinating discussion.

Good stuff.

Alrighty.

Last question.

I am going to change it up a little.

Um, what do you think the most important tool a contractor can have is?

Honestly, his brain, you use your brain as a

contractor, more than anything.

If you don't have the proper tool for a particular thing, there is so many

different ways to do it without that tool.

Yeah.

The tool is there to make life easier, make production come, but being able

to think, And think that process through and see the big picture.

Otherwise, it's definitely your brain.

Makes sense to me.

Great answer.

I know I grew up with the saying, there's more than one way to skin a cat.

And I always wondered who these cat skinners were out there, but, uh, there

is more than one way to do things.

Good, good stuff.

So Clyde, thank you again so much for being with us today.

Um, for folks who want to get in touch with you, uh, what's, or

to, to watch your videos, what's the best ways for them to do that

Right now, the best place to get a hold of me is on LinkedIn.

And, um, like I said, things are crazy right now because I'm kind of off.

I'm waiting on badging for a job.

And then probably going to end up back up in PA, but the easiest place, because I'm

checking in on LinkedIn a couple of times a day, normally, even when I'm working

lunchtime, I'll check, see what's going on and when I get home and, uh, for those

out there also that are on LinkedIn, if you're not on a LinkedIn premium package,

I would suggest to try it out and look into the LinkedIn learning library.

If you get down through.

My profile in the last three years, I've completed probably 190 different

classes and have certifications for them all through LinkedIn learning.

So there's a wealth of knowledge out there on many different things.

good advice.

And, uh, yeah, folks can find Clyde King pretty easily on, uh, LinkedIn I

found so encourage folks to, uh, join up with you, hook up with you that

way and connect and see where it goes.

So good stuff.

So guys, uh, we were all successful working in our challenge words.

Um, I didn't think I was going to get mine in there to be honest.

Um,

about yours for a minute.

That I kind of cheated, I always try to get it in before

the rapid fire because she usually can figure out a way to sneak it

in the rapid fire, but I couldn't.

So, so my word was tangerine that I worked in there.

Ethan, you had,

I had firewood, which is a little bit iffy, but I got it in there.

got her in there and Clyde, you had,

Social studies.

I don't think any, you worked it in there so smoothly.

I don't think anyone would have ever dreamed.

That was what you were challenged to say.

So that was good job.

Good job.

Well, thank you again so much, uh, Clyde, for being with us today.

We've enjoyed this time together and appreciate it.

I had fun.

Well, and thank you to our audience for tuning into this episode

of Construction Disruption, uh, with Union Carpenter Foreman, um, now we're

talking social media extraordinaire, uh, Clyde King of Buckhannon, West Virginia.

He's a great industry veteran, and he just wants to give it

back and teach at this point.

So, uh, kudos to him.

Uh, and please watch for future episodes of our podcast.

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Until the next time we're together, keep on disrupting, keep on looking

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And most importantly, don't forget to have a positive impact

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So God bless and take care.

This is Isaiah Industry signing off until the next episode

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