1 00:00:01,860 --> 00:00:04,393 Amin: Hello, and welcome back to the Be Well, Do Well podcast. 2 00:00:04,393 --> 00:00:16,183 Today I'm super excited to have a conversation with an amazing entrepreneur, Brendan Kamarasamy is the founder of Master Talk, where he helps ambitious executives and coaches become top 1% communicators in their industry. 3 00:00:16,753 --> 00:00:23,953 I recently attended one of his presentation workshops and it was so well crafted that I felt like I was watching a master painter do his thing. 4 00:00:24,403 --> 00:00:25,753 Brendan, welcome to the show, 5 00:00:26,713 --> 00:00:27,683 . Brenden Kumarasamy: You're too kind Amin. 6 00:00:27,733 --> 00:00:28,483 Thanks for having me, man. 7 00:00:28,963 --> 00:00:29,293 Amin: Awesome. 8 00:00:29,298 --> 00:00:38,143 So first things first, I'm curious how you decided or what happened to you in your life that you decided that public speaking was something that you wanted to get into. 9 00:00:38,143 --> 00:00:41,263 I'm always curious about what brings people to what they're doing today. 10 00:00:41,923 --> 00:00:42,493 Brenden Kumarasamy: For sure. 11 00:00:42,546 --> 00:00:45,884 so the origin story started in university slash college. 12 00:00:45,884 --> 00:00:51,404 I went to business school, but the goal is never for me to be this entrepreneur communication coach. 13 00:00:51,974 --> 00:00:58,874 The way out for me and most immigrants who come to Canada, my parents immigrated from Sri Lanka in the early nineties, was the education system. 14 00:00:59,144 --> 00:01:00,734 So I went to business school to be an accountant. 15 00:01:00,974 --> 00:01:01,424 That was the goal. 16 00:01:02,149 --> 00:01:05,419 So I went there and I started doing these things called case competitions. 17 00:01:05,749 --> 00:01:08,539 Think of it like professional sports, but for nerds. 18 00:01:08,869 --> 00:01:12,739 So all the guys my age were playing rugby or football or baseball. 19 00:01:13,189 --> 00:01:14,629 I wasn't one of those guys. 20 00:01:14,629 --> 00:01:18,919 I did presentations competitively and that's how I learned how to speak. 21 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:22,879 But I accidentally got really good at coaching communication. 22 00:01:23,304 --> 00:01:24,564 , especially since I was doing it for free. 23 00:01:24,564 --> 00:01:26,064 Back then, it wasn't even a business. 24 00:01:26,364 --> 00:01:31,254 I was just helping the other students get better at it so that they could win competitions. 25 00:01:31,554 --> 00:01:37,783 And then when I graduated from college and I started to work as a technology consultant at a Fortune 500, I had the idea for Master Talk. 26 00:01:37,783 --> 00:01:42,573 Cause I realized that everything I was sharing with them wasn't for, wasn't free on the internet, and then it led to what it is today. 27 00:01:43,573 --> 00:01:43,938 . Amin: That's awesome. 28 00:01:43,943 --> 00:01:46,308 And you are bilingual. 29 00:01:46,308 --> 00:01:47,718 You speak English, you speak French. 30 00:01:48,078 --> 00:01:52,803 Was that something that helped you quite a bit when you were trying to teach others how to public speak? 31 00:01:52,803 --> 00:01:56,673 Because both languages have different nuances and different styles. 32 00:01:57,303 --> 00:01:58,023 Brenden Kumarasamy: Absolutely. 33 00:01:58,173 --> 00:02:01,473 So it was a hindrance at the beginning and then it became a benefit later. 34 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:02,623 So what does that mean? 35 00:02:02,623 --> 00:02:06,332 as I grew up in Montreal, which is a city for those who don't know where you need to speak French. 36 00:02:06,332 --> 00:02:09,327 So if you don't know the language, You're in trouble basically. 37 00:02:09,597 --> 00:02:14,967 So my parents actually sent me to French school to learn the language, but I did not know the language. 38 00:02:15,297 --> 00:02:17,307 So my whole life I was presenting. 39 00:02:18,192 --> 00:02:19,562 and I didn't know what I was talking about. 40 00:02:19,598 --> 00:02:22,644 because it was a language I didn't know and it caused a lot of stress. 41 00:02:22,644 --> 00:02:26,544 So I actually never thought I was a great speaker until maybe seven, eight years ago. 42 00:02:26,664 --> 00:02:29,874 So this is pretty recent that I realized I had to gift for this. 43 00:02:29,964 --> 00:02:32,694 Cuz most of the time, all of the presentations I did, I suck. 44 00:02:32,784 --> 00:02:36,324 And I also got a crooked left arm cuz of a surgery I had when I was younger too. 45 00:02:36,714 --> 00:02:39,073 So I, I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was the guy. 46 00:02:39,353 --> 00:02:40,463 For communication. 47 00:02:40,673 --> 00:02:44,123 But then later in my career, actually being bilingual was super helpful. 48 00:02:44,128 --> 00:02:45,301 One in the Montreal market. 49 00:02:45,301 --> 00:02:47,041 I actually trained some of my clients in French. 50 00:02:47,371 --> 00:02:52,951 But the other piece to that is because I resonate a lot with the whole idea of how to present in a second language. 51 00:02:52,951 --> 00:02:54,361 Cause I struggle with that for most of it. 52 00:02:55,231 --> 00:02:55,591 Amin: Yeah. 53 00:02:55,651 --> 00:02:56,101 Interesting. 54 00:02:56,431 --> 00:02:58,381 Do you enjoy public speaking yourself? 55 00:02:59,596 --> 00:03:00,995 Brenden Kumarasamy: I do, I definitely do. 56 00:03:00,995 --> 00:03:06,272 I think communication is super fun and public speaking is super fun, but I have nerves like everyone else. 57 00:03:06,272 --> 00:03:14,906 so I don't just, for example, the analogy I always give is, let's say men, you are getting lunch and Elon Musk calls me and he goes, Hey, I saw your episode on Amin's podcast. 58 00:03:14,906 --> 00:03:15,446 It was great. 59 00:03:15,451 --> 00:03:16,076 I saw your YouTube joke. 60 00:03:16,076 --> 00:03:16,736 Can you coach me? 61 00:03:16,976 --> 00:03:17,816 I'll pay a million dollars. 62 00:03:18,266 --> 00:03:19,316 Would I be stressed out? 63 00:03:19,316 --> 00:03:19,586 Yeah. 64 00:03:19,614 --> 00:03:22,729 it's Elon, of course, I think the fear is always going to be there. 65 00:03:22,734 --> 00:03:24,019 It's just a different level for other. 66 00:03:25,209 --> 00:03:25,414 . Amin: Yeah. 67 00:03:25,594 --> 00:03:25,774 Yeah. 68 00:03:25,803 --> 00:03:27,813 and what do you do when you get those nerves? 69 00:03:27,841 --> 00:03:28,512 we all do, right? 70 00:03:28,512 --> 00:03:30,412 But what do you do when you feel that anxiousness? 71 00:03:31,022 --> 00:03:37,939 Brenden Kumarasamy: the way I see it is it's a relationship to manage like a marriage rather than something you need to divorce yourself from. 72 00:03:37,939 --> 00:03:38,839 So what does that mean? 73 00:03:39,109 --> 00:03:42,259 So let me give you the analogy that I was used, which is the boxing ring analogy. 74 00:03:42,529 --> 00:03:46,729 Let's say there's one side of the ring which has our fear has our stress has our anxiety. 75 00:03:47,084 --> 00:03:48,824 And the other side is the message. 76 00:03:48,824 --> 00:03:49,934 Why is this important? 77 00:03:50,324 --> 00:04:00,194 The goal is not for the fear to leave the ring Amin, but rather make sure that when the message and the fear meet in the middle of that match, that your message gets the knockout punch. 78 00:04:00,374 --> 00:04:04,454 So for me, if you use me as an example, I had every excused not to do Master Talk, right? 79 00:04:04,454 --> 00:04:06,284 I think I started the YouTube channel, I was like 22. 80 00:04:06,284 --> 00:04:07,694 I started coaching and I was 19. 81 00:04:08,024 --> 00:04:10,094 And a lot of the people I work with today are much older than I am. 82 00:04:10,484 --> 00:04:12,584 So why did I have the confidence? 83 00:04:12,854 --> 00:04:14,924 The reason I did it had nothing to do. 84 00:04:15,409 --> 00:04:16,039 Older people. 85 00:04:16,039 --> 00:04:19,129 It had everything to do with the 15 year old girl who couldn't afford me. 86 00:04:19,309 --> 00:04:21,050 So I just thought, nobody's helping that person. 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:31,700 So even if I had a lot of fear and no money, and I was making videos on my mother's basement for the first year, the message was incrementally more important than the fear that it was attached to. 88 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,050 So I always overcame it. 89 00:04:34,295 --> 00:04:34,835 Amin: That's awesome, man. 90 00:04:34,835 --> 00:04:35,645 That's pretty powerful. 91 00:04:36,245 --> 00:04:37,415 you've done a lot of podcasts. 92 00:04:37,415 --> 00:04:47,818 You and I are just talking right before we hit record, that, you've done, 500 plus podcasts, so obviously that helps when it comes to doing the reps, but how do you find the time to do all of this? 93 00:04:49,003 --> 00:04:49,963 Brenden Kumarasamy: It's a great point, man. 94 00:04:49,963 --> 00:04:52,183 I think for me it's about making the time here. 95 00:04:52,183 --> 00:04:54,087 Here's a question that I get people to think about. 96 00:04:54,087 --> 00:05:06,263 I call it the focus question that I got inspired by Warren Buffett from, and the question is, if you could only accomplish three things in your life, and only three in your entire life, what would you want those three things to be? 97 00:05:06,443 --> 00:05:14,273 And I feel a lot of people why they're unsuccessful is they're always marrying themselves or rather not even marrying themselves. 98 00:05:14,273 --> 00:05:22,463 They're always jumping from one idea to another versus going, if I could only contribute one thing that's meaningful to society, what would that one thing be? 99 00:05:22,733 --> 00:05:25,193 And I realized for me, I'm terrible at most things. 100 00:05:25,242 --> 00:05:27,073 I don't cook, I don't know how to do chores. 101 00:05:27,073 --> 00:05:27,868 Like I'm not good at that stuff. 102 00:05:28,513 --> 00:05:29,503 But when it comes to. 103 00:05:29,703 --> 00:05:37,353 Communication and rather conveying the idea of communication in a way that gets the larger public to say, oh, this is cool. 104 00:05:37,353 --> 00:05:38,253 I wanna work on this. 105 00:05:38,433 --> 00:05:45,123 I felt I was the only person in the world who had that gift, or very small people who did for communication, public speaking specifically. 106 00:05:45,633 --> 00:05:50,103 So I told myself, how do I prioritize my time to make that work? 107 00:05:50,163 --> 00:05:57,348 So the point that we didn't talk about in that 500 podcast, whatever the number is, 80 to 90% of those shows Amin had zero listeners. 108 00:05:57,398 --> 00:05:58,778 Like literally zero. 109 00:05:58,778 --> 00:06:00,668 I was episode one, two, or three. 110 00:06:00,858 --> 00:06:03,558 and some of them were sports podcasts or weed podcasts. 111 00:06:03,558 --> 00:06:04,578 There's a bunch of random stuff. 112 00:06:04,788 --> 00:06:06,048 So why did I say yes to them? 113 00:06:06,318 --> 00:06:12,448 Because I was repping for my future self, the person who was going to be on the bigger shows, the person who was going to be on those platforms. 114 00:06:12,588 --> 00:06:16,758 I was preparing myself in a way that most people in their twenties couldn't have before. 115 00:06:16,758 --> 00:06:20,147 Cuz podcasting is a new vehicle of conveying a message. 116 00:06:20,317 --> 00:06:22,773 So I'm preparing myself for 35 year old Breden. 117 00:06:23,413 --> 00:06:24,247 Amin: Yeah, that's amazing. 118 00:06:24,247 --> 00:06:29,256 And a lot of our listeners are actually probably in their forties or fifties, 35 year old Brandon's gonna be pretty powerful. 119 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:34,389 I wanna get back to the idea of ambition, but first I wanna talk about what you brought up as your crooked arm. 120 00:06:35,259 --> 00:06:37,659 So when you were growing up, kids. 121 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:47,293 Are just sometimes cruel and they're, and they, they say things, they don't mean to be unkind, but it can come off as unkind and parents are even more protective of their kids. 122 00:06:47,653 --> 00:06:53,261 So can you just talk a little bit about if it impacted you at all growing up and how your parents played into that? 123 00:06:54,186 --> 00:06:54,786 Brenden Kumarasamy: for sure. 124 00:06:54,811 --> 00:06:57,934 so I feel for my parents' side, it was actually worse than at school. 125 00:06:57,994 --> 00:07:06,670 And the reason is because in Indian culture, which is the one I'm from, or Sri Lankan culture, they always have a tendency of reemphasizing your flaws. 126 00:07:06,970 --> 00:07:10,180 So for example, let's say somebody doesn't have an arm, which I'm grateful I have both. 127 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:13,270 Let's say somebody doesn't, if you never comment on you just talk to them. 128 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:14,720 They never realize they have a problem. 129 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:19,702 But if you come up to me and you go, oh, I'm so sorry that you, oh I'm, you must be really hard for you. 130 00:07:20,032 --> 00:07:21,682 The first time you go, it's not that hard. 131 00:07:21,832 --> 00:07:28,042 But after the hundred time you hear, your mind gets conditioned into believing that it's actually a bad thing. 132 00:07:28,222 --> 00:07:34,370 So growing up as a kid, a lot of cousins and aunties, they would always come to my house and always touch my arm. 133 00:07:34,370 --> 00:07:37,999 But in my head I was just like, but they both work, as you can see on this podcast, in this video. 134 00:07:37,999 --> 00:07:41,731 Like they, like I can dance with both and I can get a glass of water with my left one. 135 00:07:41,851 --> 00:07:46,351 So I never saw it as a problem Amin until other people labeled it as a problem. 136 00:07:47,181 --> 00:07:50,181 So I always grew up with the insecurity that other people gave to me. 137 00:07:50,421 --> 00:07:52,161 I got lucky in school though. 138 00:07:52,161 --> 00:08:03,981 I think the reason is because I'm Canadian, so even if people picked on me like every other kid, it wasn't as bad because a lot of my friends who didn't speak English, by the way, they would try and converse with me through their body language. 139 00:08:04,161 --> 00:08:07,311 They would defend me in front of the other kids, and I just got really lucky with that. 140 00:08:07,926 --> 00:08:08,475 Amin: Oh, nice. 141 00:08:08,522 --> 00:08:14,993 the, there's this book I read, it's called The Four Cs, by, Dan Sullivan, and he talks about how confidence actually happens at the end. 142 00:08:15,063 --> 00:08:19,773 You start with commitment, then you have courage, then you find the capability, and then eventually confidence. 143 00:08:19,884 --> 00:08:20,484 it's a great book. 144 00:08:20,484 --> 00:08:21,812 If you haven't read it, it's actually really good. 145 00:08:21,817 --> 00:08:31,070 It's short, quick, but for me, when it comes to what you exhibit as confidence, know, I can see that you made that commitment and you're like, all right, I'm gonna, Arm, whatever, right? 146 00:08:31,070 --> 00:08:32,150 It's just another person. 147 00:08:32,162 --> 00:08:36,992 we were talking about, I can't pronounce his name, but Nick Voitchitch, I think is, this is his name. 148 00:08:36,992 --> 00:08:38,042 No arms, no legs. 149 00:08:38,462 --> 00:08:47,148 And the guy is, he's a happy guy doing his thing, but if other people didn't point it out right, and he was surrounded by others that had no arms and no legs, it would just be another normal for him. 150 00:08:47,148 --> 00:08:49,671 And so you work with what you have and you, move on from there. 151 00:08:50,426 --> 00:08:58,826 Now coming back to your ambition, you are probably on the top like five of my list of people that have huge ambitions, right? 152 00:08:58,826 --> 00:08:59,996 And it's awesome. 153 00:08:59,996 --> 00:09:05,332 Like I love talking to you and I, I get more energized after I talk with you because of that one thing specifically. 154 00:09:05,692 --> 00:09:07,942 So how, where does that ambition come from? 155 00:09:08,055 --> 00:09:10,575 some people will be happy with where you are now. 156 00:09:10,601 --> 00:09:11,660 you're not 40 yet. 157 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,160 And you've achieved your level of success, people will be happy with that. 158 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,060 And they'll be like, all right, I'm good, but you wanna go ten, hundred, thousand times bigger. 159 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,230 So tell me about that. 160 00:09:20,235 --> 00:09:22,480 Like where does this ambition, where does this drive come 161 00:09:22,485 --> 00:09:22,760 Brenden Kumarasamy: from? 162 00:09:22,785 --> 00:09:27,190 first of all, Amin, that's a very kind of you, since you, since your, I'm sure your network is a lot more impressive than mine. 163 00:09:27,190 --> 00:09:30,367 So if I've already made your top five list of ambitious people, it means a lot. 164 00:09:30,367 --> 00:09:30,899 so thank you. 165 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:32,379 , so I'll start there. 166 00:09:32,390 --> 00:09:34,553 I think at the beginning it came from a bad place. 167 00:09:34,553 --> 00:09:38,663 So when I was younger, I grew up in a dysfunctional household, and my dad was an alcoholic. 168 00:09:38,963 --> 00:09:42,803 So for me, a lot of that early stage was proving him wrong. 169 00:09:43,223 --> 00:09:45,701 So a lot of it was driven by anger, I'm going to be the best. 170 00:09:45,701 --> 00:09:49,314 I'm gonna prove everyone that I can do this and that's what ended up happening. 171 00:09:49,704 --> 00:10:03,920 So I, I got the job that I wanted, but then after he passed away, I realized that the game was rigged, . It's like, oh, I wasn't trying, I was trying to be this person, but I wouldn't have became that person if you never immigrated to Canada in the first place. 172 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,714 He's the reason I became successful. 173 00:10:05,714 --> 00:10:09,693 , as Tony Robbins says, if you're gonna blame someone for your failures, you have to blame them for your success too. 174 00:10:10,203 --> 00:10:15,183 And then when that happened, I started realizing, okay, what's the bigger game that I want to play? 175 00:10:16,158 --> 00:10:17,688 What's the real point of my life? 176 00:10:17,688 --> 00:10:30,443 And I think the reason I became so ambitious over time, besides the whole situation with my dad, was this idea that when you ask yourself really hard questions about life, like the one I asked earlier, that's just one of them. 177 00:10:30,448 --> 00:10:32,003 I call them 80 20 questions. 178 00:10:32,096 --> 00:10:33,986 , you know how like we have the 80 20 principle. 179 00:10:34,476 --> 00:10:36,966 What are 20% of the actions that get you 80% of the result? 180 00:10:37,326 --> 00:10:39,396 I'm framing that in the context of questions. 181 00:10:39,396 --> 00:10:44,466 What are 20% of the questions that lead to 80% in one's clarity in life? 182 00:10:44,766 --> 00:10:50,606 So I've just asked myself thousands of these questions and I just realized this idea that we're all gonna die anyways. 183 00:10:51,446 --> 00:10:57,296 So going back to the reverse, when we reverse engineer the end, go, what's the point of life? 184 00:10:57,356 --> 00:11:00,476 Am I, would I be happy with just having a few million dollars in my bank here? 185 00:11:00,776 --> 00:11:10,308 And I realize that I'm just one of those people, like I'm not, I'm not gonna compare myself to Kobe, but I think we have the same personality trait where it's like we don't get a high off just success. 186 00:11:10,368 --> 00:11:13,608 We get a high off of doing really cool shit. 187 00:11:14,323 --> 00:11:16,693 and I just think we're, people are just wired differently that way. 188 00:11:16,769 --> 00:11:16,949 Amin: yeah. 189 00:11:16,949 --> 00:11:19,989 So you're like thriving on the actual process rather than the outcome. 190 00:11:20,639 --> 00:11:23,794 Brenden Kumarasamy: Yeah, I call this visualizing iconic moments. 191 00:11:24,124 --> 00:11:27,004 So where you spend time visualizing the iconic mo. 192 00:11:27,004 --> 00:11:39,036 So for me, the iconic moments that haven't happened yet that I know will eventually is, having a hundred thousand subscribers on my YouTube channel and partying up with all my cousins and putting nice suits on for a day and renting out like a dinner. 193 00:11:39,036 --> 00:11:47,248 So I think about those iconic moments or getting on the podcast that I don't have access to yet, or getting on that stage or shaking that person's hand or coaching Elon Musk one day. 194 00:11:47,278 --> 00:11:48,858 That's also on one of my goals list. 195 00:11:49,118 --> 00:11:51,403 So it's not about achieving it. 196 00:11:51,403 --> 00:11:51,793 Ah, Amin. 197 00:11:52,093 --> 00:11:54,763 It's more about the visualization. 198 00:11:54,763 --> 00:12:02,947 And one example from this is from a documentary that I highly recommend people listen to and watch called Free Solo by, I forgot what the guy's name is. 199 00:12:02,947 --> 00:12:03,487 Did you watch it? 200 00:12:03,502 --> 00:12:06,708 . Amin: This is that, the one where he is climbing, the wall in Yosemite. 201 00:12:07,158 --> 00:12:07,638 You got it. 202 00:12:07,638 --> 00:12:08,872 that's an awesome video. 203 00:12:08,872 --> 00:12:10,882 It scares the crap outta me watching it, but it's Yeah. 204 00:12:10,887 --> 00:12:11,512 Tell me about it. 205 00:12:12,022 --> 00:12:13,162 Brenden Kumarasamy: Yeah, I was so scared. 206 00:12:13,173 --> 00:12:15,341 and the guy I just remember, his name is Alex Holmote. 207 00:12:15,473 --> 00:12:21,617 and the guy, what was interesting cause there's one scene in that documentary I'll never forget for the rest of my life. 208 00:12:21,997 --> 00:12:23,822 And the scene was about him and his girlfriend. 209 00:12:24,032 --> 00:12:29,981 He said, my girlfriend gets enjoyment out of her family and buying gifts and celebrating the holidays, and that's all amazing. 210 00:12:29,981 --> 00:12:36,461 Like he's not hitting on that by any means, but then he goes, for me, I get excitement in life from doing important. 211 00:12:36,826 --> 00:12:37,546 Things. 212 00:12:37,606 --> 00:12:40,336 So for the last 10 years I was scared of El Capita. 213 00:12:40,336 --> 00:12:44,206 I didn't wanna phrase solo that, but then I thought to myself, what if I did? 214 00:12:44,506 --> 00:12:46,846 What lies on the other side of that? 215 00:12:47,266 --> 00:12:52,576 Because if I did that, everyone else growing up would look up to me and say, I wanna climb something bigger. 216 00:12:52,726 --> 00:12:58,296 And it sounds insane, but I think that's the way that ambitious people look at life, cuz it's just more fun. 217 00:12:58,846 --> 00:12:59,126 . Amin: Yeah. 218 00:12:59,271 --> 00:13:09,650 And I think it was the same, show, the same documentary where they did, they put him under an MRI and they watched his brain patterns when there was things that would scare other people. 219 00:13:09,950 --> 00:13:11,540 And for him it was just stable. 220 00:13:11,595 --> 00:13:13,395 there was nothing there, like there was no fear. 221 00:13:13,815 --> 00:13:14,445 That was cool. 222 00:13:14,475 --> 00:13:17,595 That was really cool to see that his brain functions differently. 223 00:13:17,595 --> 00:13:19,965 So when he is climbing free solo, for those that don't know, it's no. 224 00:13:20,645 --> 00:13:21,935 No anything, just chalk. 225 00:13:21,935 --> 00:13:22,445 I think that's all. 226 00:13:22,445 --> 00:13:24,545 He's got a bag of chalk in his, on his waist. 227 00:13:25,055 --> 00:13:30,659 And, when he's faced with something terrifying, his brain is like, all right, just next step, keep going. 228 00:13:31,964 --> 00:13:32,534 Brenden Kumarasamy: Exactly. 229 00:13:32,534 --> 00:13:36,917 In other words, for people listening, if you miss one of the shots as you're going, you die. 230 00:13:37,047 --> 00:13:37,227 Yeah. 231 00:13:37,407 --> 00:13:38,747 , that's essentially what Amin has said. 232 00:13:38,796 --> 00:13:38,876 yeah. 233 00:13:39,276 --> 00:13:39,546 Amin: Yeah. 234 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:47,524 You're way up to, and I think that's why, gave me so much anxiety watching that show, cuz the camera angles, you're way up high and he's just dangling there with one finger, two fingers. 235 00:13:47,580 --> 00:13:48,250 awesome. 236 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,280 Highly recommend everybody watch that show. 237 00:13:51,505 --> 00:13:54,835 There's so many cool shows and books and audios right now. 238 00:13:54,835 --> 00:13:58,945 Is there something that you're reading that's really exciting or that you have read in the past even? 239 00:13:59,455 --> 00:13:59,965 Brenden Kumarasamy: For sure. 240 00:13:59,965 --> 00:14:02,575 I always like to recommend Thirsts by Scott Harrison. 241 00:14:02,575 --> 00:14:04,555 Scott Harrison's the CEO of Charity Water. 242 00:14:05,065 --> 00:14:05,905 It's a nonprofit. 243 00:14:05,905 --> 00:14:08,455 He started to help people gain access to clean drinking water. 244 00:14:08,635 --> 00:14:15,685 And the reason I like Scott, he's one of my heroes as well, but the reason I'm so fascinated by his story is he's a great example. 245 00:14:16,115 --> 00:14:18,905 Of anybody in the world can create impact. 246 00:14:18,905 --> 00:14:21,471 You just gotta make the decision that person is you. 247 00:14:21,621 --> 00:14:24,651 He literally went from being a nightclub promoter in his twenties. 248 00:14:24,831 --> 00:14:26,631 He was getting people drunk in New York City. 249 00:14:26,636 --> 00:14:31,761 He's one of the top 10 nightclub promoters in the city, which is actually really impressive since it's a really tough scene there. 250 00:14:32,091 --> 00:14:33,151 He, he had everything. 251 00:14:33,151 --> 00:14:34,561 His girlfriend was on Vogue Magazine. 252 00:14:34,561 --> 00:14:35,791 He had a Rolex watch, BMW. 253 00:14:36,091 --> 00:14:38,401 Most miserable human being that he knew of. 254 00:14:38,911 --> 00:14:41,461 And then he started Charity Water at 31. 255 00:14:41,491 --> 00:14:45,091 And Charity Water Today is the largest water charity in America. 256 00:14:45,091 --> 00:14:47,511 It's raised upwards of 700 million dollars. 257 00:14:47,641 --> 00:14:48,961 He's helped over 15 million. 258 00:14:48,961 --> 00:15:00,241 People get access to water, and there's a great quote in the book that I always like to share, and the quote is, the goal is not to live forever, but rather create something that will, and it always stuck with. 259 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:01,446 Nice. 260 00:15:01,446 --> 00:15:01,656 Amin: Nice. 261 00:15:01,656 --> 00:15:02,316 Say that one more time. 262 00:15:02,886 --> 00:15:06,816 Brenden Kumarasamy: The goal is not to live forever, but rather create something that will 263 00:15:07,206 --> 00:15:07,836 Amin: Oh, that's amazing. 264 00:15:07,866 --> 00:15:08,286 I love that. 265 00:15:08,346 --> 00:15:08,616 I love that. 266 00:15:08,616 --> 00:15:09,456 We'll put that in the show notes. 267 00:15:09,456 --> 00:15:11,856 That's a good one because, it speaks to legacy, right? 268 00:15:11,856 --> 00:15:14,316 Like where are you trying to go and what are you trying to do? 269 00:15:14,411 --> 00:15:15,071 That's beautiful. 270 00:15:15,124 --> 00:15:19,739 we talked about you being busy making time for things rather than finding time for things. 271 00:15:19,949 --> 00:15:27,569 Do you have any productivity tips or hacks that you use in your daily life to get things done, to get more done? 272 00:15:28,229 --> 00:15:38,297 Brenden Kumarasamy: I would say the one I'd recommend Amin is, but I'm sure you got a lot better tips than I would pull out, is really on the idea of thinking about your life in reverse. 273 00:15:38,747 --> 00:15:44,312 So for me, what I do, Is when I look at my time, it's not really a vector. 274 00:15:44,312 --> 00:15:49,832 I think it's more about you test the different aspects that are available and you choose what works for you. 275 00:15:49,832 --> 00:15:52,982 So like for me, I don't, I'm not a 5:00 AM club guy. 276 00:15:53,102 --> 00:15:54,422 Like I don't wake up in the morning. 277 00:15:54,422 --> 00:16:04,352 I think I woke up like at six today by accident, but most of the time I wake up at eight or 9:00 AM I don't only start my meetings at 10, I just work until 10 or midnight, cuz it just works better for me. 278 00:16:04,742 --> 00:16:07,982 So I think the key is A) test everything. 279 00:16:08,012 --> 00:16:09,032 I don't like cold showers. 280 00:16:09,032 --> 00:16:09,992 I don't meditate yet. 281 00:16:09,992 --> 00:16:11,252 I'm still productive and I get the job. 282 00:16:11,842 --> 00:16:17,032 And other people like Alex for mozy, just get up at 4:00 AM and just have a coffee and they just start working until noon. 283 00:16:17,037 --> 00:16:20,242 They don't take meetings until noon, so everyone's different. 284 00:16:20,242 --> 00:16:28,365 So I'd encourage people to never, be religious about which one they're following, but rather have the courage to try all of them. 285 00:16:28,660 --> 00:16:30,370 To then figure out what works for them. 286 00:16:30,370 --> 00:16:32,740 Like intermittent fasting works perfectly for me. 287 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:38,349 I don't eat until 2:00 PM and it works great, but other people just can't tolerate that, like my business partner. 288 00:16:38,559 --> 00:16:39,489 So that's one piece. 289 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:46,839 The other piece is then looking at what are the three high ROI activities in my week that I want to keep repeating. 290 00:16:47,079 --> 00:16:48,669 So for me, it's pretty simple. 291 00:16:50,009 --> 00:16:51,324 Guesting on podcast. 292 00:16:51,384 --> 00:16:55,764 It's not a high revenue generating roi, but it's really just cuz I just like having these conversations. 293 00:16:56,094 --> 00:17:01,074 The second one is sales calls, and the third one is free trainings, like hosting those free trainings that you went through. 294 00:17:01,314 --> 00:17:03,854 So with those three things in mind, I just optimize that all the time. 295 00:17:04,479 --> 00:17:05,109 . Amin: Oh, that's amazing. 296 00:17:05,169 --> 00:17:05,565 Amazing. 297 00:17:05,565 --> 00:17:06,538 I wouldn't have expected that. 298 00:17:06,538 --> 00:17:09,846 I thought, that you would be a early riser, meditator, that sort of thing. 299 00:17:09,846 --> 00:17:12,189 Cuz I think your circle is more like that, aren't they? 300 00:17:12,249 --> 00:17:12,819 Brenden Kumarasamy: Yes. 301 00:17:13,059 --> 00:17:13,719 Literally. 302 00:17:13,719 --> 00:17:15,699 That's actually a fantastic observation. 303 00:17:15,699 --> 00:17:16,424 I you're absolutely right. 304 00:17:16,754 --> 00:17:19,724 Everyone in my circle does that, except for me. 305 00:17:20,223 --> 00:17:21,213 I break every rule 306 00:17:22,173 --> 00:17:22,803 . Amin: That's perfect. 307 00:17:23,223 --> 00:17:27,595 Is there anything else that your, friends or people that know you would be genuinely surprised to learn about? 308 00:17:27,595 --> 00:17:27,745 You 309 00:17:29,125 --> 00:17:31,115 Brenden Kumarasamy: Genuinely be surprised. 310 00:17:32,095 --> 00:17:36,376 I'm such an open book, so it's hard to answer this question cause I share everything about my life. 311 00:17:36,676 --> 00:17:42,376 I would say the thing that they would be surprised to know is that, but a lot of people know this, is that I still live with my mother. 312 00:17:42,796 --> 00:17:48,874 Like I still live in her basement and the reason is more because I read a blog called, "Wait, But Why" By Tim Urban? 313 00:17:49,114 --> 00:17:51,064 And he talks about this idea that. 314 00:17:51,469 --> 00:17:57,379 You're going to be spending a lot of time with your friends, like your brothers and sisters, but you actually don't have that much time with your parents. 315 00:17:57,859 --> 00:18:02,959 So a lot of us in our twenties, like I already lost my dad three years ago, so who knows how long my mom's gonna live. 316 00:18:03,259 --> 00:18:07,507 Whereas what a lot of kids do when they're young is they move out of their parents' house really fast. 317 00:18:07,597 --> 00:18:11,677 They move to another country and do something else, and then it's only in the last one, they realize they're sick. 318 00:18:11,682 --> 00:18:14,997 They come back and see them, and I just didn't want that regretted in my life. 319 00:18:15,657 --> 00:18:15,937 Yeah. 320 00:18:16,177 --> 00:18:16,317 Yeah. 321 00:18:16,342 --> 00:18:16,762 Beautiful. 322 00:18:16,792 --> 00:18:16,972 Love 323 00:18:16,972 --> 00:18:17,122 Amin: that. 324 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,244 I'm sorry to hear about your father and, parents and family. 325 00:18:20,244 --> 00:18:22,944 It's so important In Indian, you're Sri Lanka and I'm Indian. 326 00:18:22,944 --> 00:18:24,160 there's, it's so important. 327 00:18:24,460 --> 00:18:30,460 Though I think it would be surprising to maybe the non-Asian crew to learn that you do that. 328 00:18:30,460 --> 00:18:32,620 But it's actually fairly normal in our culture, isn't it? 329 00:18:32,620 --> 00:18:32,950 To live. 330 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:33,100 Yeah. 331 00:18:33,105 --> 00:18:33,490 Live at home. 332 00:18:34,705 --> 00:18:42,715 Brenden Kumarasamy: And actually that's the tip I give most entrepreneurs who are getting started, which isn't your audience cuz they're in the forties and fifties, though some of them might be starting their first business. 333 00:18:42,835 --> 00:18:45,805 It's just the tip doesn't apply so much, which is income combining. 334 00:18:45,805 --> 00:18:53,656 Like I think the reason I was able to leverage up capital super efficiently is because it's not because I'm a rich guy or I came from money or of it inheritance. 335 00:18:53,656 --> 00:18:58,816 Cause I really didn't, my parents were factory workers and I only retired my mom like three years ago. 336 00:18:58,966 --> 00:19:00,166 But there's a reason I was able to. 337 00:19:00,786 --> 00:19:05,346 because if you combine my income with my sisters and my moms, we all live together in the same house. 338 00:19:05,646 --> 00:19:10,026 You're all paying down one mortgage, so you have a lot more excess cash to reinvest in the business. 339 00:19:10,056 --> 00:19:14,916 So I have a lot more capital deploy than somebody who's 10 years older than me who has all these expenses. 340 00:19:14,949 --> 00:19:18,148 and that's just the easy hack that nobody implements cuz of stigma. 341 00:19:18,148 --> 00:19:18,670 Amin: That's awesome. 342 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,980 What are you working on right now that's got you really excited? 343 00:19:22,445 --> 00:19:25,235 , Brenden Kumarasamy: I would say there's no specific project I'm working on. 344 00:19:25,235 --> 00:19:25,775 That's exciting. 345 00:19:25,775 --> 00:19:27,865 Cause I'm always doing the same thing over and over again. 346 00:19:27,985 --> 00:19:28,045 Yeah. 347 00:19:28,045 --> 00:19:29,855 And I think that's what Alex Hermosi says, right? 348 00:19:29,855 --> 00:19:36,305 It's not about doing the extraordinary things, it's about doing the ordinary things for an extraordinary amount of time. 349 00:19:36,355 --> 00:19:37,645 and being consistent with that. 350 00:19:38,065 --> 00:19:39,680 So I would say for me it's the main three. 351 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:45,842 I think the only thing I started recently that's exciting is being on TikTok and Instagram, investing the capital to start doing that. 352 00:19:45,847 --> 00:19:54,618 So that's going to be, . I would say the next piece though is really just to keep tracking with the same actions with the podcast and things like that and doing more workshops and keynotes for b2b. 353 00:19:55,098 --> 00:19:55,398 Amin: Yeah. 354 00:19:55,398 --> 00:19:55,908 That's awesome. 355 00:19:55,908 --> 00:19:56,358 That's awesome. 356 00:19:56,358 --> 00:19:57,802 And, consistency is key, right? 357 00:19:57,802 --> 00:20:00,172 And so you keep doing that in an extraordinary way. 358 00:20:00,232 --> 00:20:00,862 That's amazing. 359 00:20:01,312 --> 00:20:05,152 Where can somebody reach out to you if they wanted to ask any questions or get to know more about you? 360 00:20:05,757 --> 00:20:06,327 Brenden Kumarasamy: Yeah, for sure. 361 00:20:06,327 --> 00:20:07,273 Amin great to be on the show. 362 00:20:07,273 --> 00:20:07,933 Thanks for having me. 363 00:20:08,143 --> 00:20:09,403 So two ways to keep in touch. 364 00:20:09,403 --> 00:20:11,053 The first one is the YouTube channel. 365 00:20:11,233 --> 00:20:15,703 Just go to MasterTalk In one word you'll have access to hundreds of free videos on how to speak. 366 00:20:16,033 --> 00:20:21,253 And the second piece is the workshop that we run that's free over Zoom, that's live and interactive. 367 00:20:21,253 --> 00:20:27,264 So if you wanna jump in on one of those free calls, just go ahead and register at RockstarCommunicator.com 368 00:20:27,928 --> 00:20:28,378 Amin: nice. 369 00:20:28,378 --> 00:20:31,138 You are a rockstar and I appreciate your time here. 370 00:20:31,138 --> 00:20:32,438 Thank you so much, Brendan. 371 00:20:32,438 --> 00:20:34,990 I really appreciate your time and energy. 372 00:20:35,410 --> 00:20:36,370 Hope to talk to you again soon. 373 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:37,420 Brenden Kumarasamy: Thanks, Amin. 374 00:20:37,420 --> 00:20:38,020 Really appreciate it. 375 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:38,470 All right, 376 00:20:38,470 --> 00:20:38,590 Amin: man. 377 00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:39,210 Have a good one.