Welcome to the
Vesna:Peak Revival Podcast.
Vesna:My name is Ner.
Vesna:Today I'm gonna talk about
Vesna:the shadow side that drives
Vesna:high performing women.
Vesna:Now, in the last episode,
Vesna:I talked about the drivers.
Vesna:There are five drivers
Vesna:for high performing women,
Vesna:and in this episode I'm
Vesna:gonna talk about how those
Vesna:drivers have a shadow side,
Vesna:have a dark side you, I
Vesna:guess you could call it.
Vesna:And if we are not aware
Vesna:of it, it will impact our
Vesna:energy and our performance
Vesna:and our sustainable success.
Vesna:So it's important to
Vesna:understand the shadow side
Vesna:because we can make better
Vesna:decisions and we can include
Vesna:routines that are specific for
Vesna:each driver that protect your
Vesna:energy, your mental health,
Vesna:give you boundaries, give
Vesna:you more clarity, everything
Vesna:that you need to protect your
Vesna:wellbeing and your success.
Vesna:so with each driver, what
Vesna:we are looking at doing
Vesna:is increasing capacity.
Vesna:So I think one of the things
Vesna:that I talk about a lot is
Vesna:energy is elevated, mood is
Vesna:improving sleep and nutrition
Vesna:and all of these things.
Vesna:All of that is to increase
Vesna:your capacity, because
Vesna:the more capacity that we
Vesna:have, the more we can do,
Vesna:the more output we have,
Vesna:the better productivity.
Vesna:The better our relationships,
Vesna:the better our wellbeing,
Vesna:our mental wellbeing,
Vesna:the better our experience
Vesna:of our day-to-day life.
Vesna:And so therefore, anything
Vesna:that we can do to improve
Vesna:or increase our capacity
Vesna:will mean basically that.
Vesna:Our day becomes easier and
Vesna:easier for us to handle
Vesna:and we can handle more, but
Vesna:still with a lot more ease.
Vesna:So the first driver I talked
Vesna:about was the visionary.
Vesna:So that, driven by potential
Vesna:self-actualization, living
Vesna:a big life, expanded
Vesna:life, having lots of
Vesna:ideas of what to do.
Vesna:And so the visionary
Vesna:is never satisfied.
Vesna:It's always chasing
Vesna:the thing that's next.
Vesna:And so.
Vesna:The shadow side is that
Vesna:you are always looking
Vesna:ahead and you're missing
Vesna:the beauty of now, right?
Vesna:You can be comparing yourself
Vesna:to what you want to achieve.
Vesna:So once we hit a certain goal,
Vesna:we're not acknowledging that
Vesna:goal or that progress or that
Vesna:win, but we are moving on to
Vesna:the very next goal and we're
Vesna:almost, I guess, competing
Vesna:against ourselves, right?
Vesna:We.
Vesna:We've, ticked off a goal
Vesna:or something that we wanted
Vesna:to achieve, or implemented
Vesna:something, created
Vesna:something, and then we're
Vesna:already looking at the gap.
Vesna:We've already created a
Vesna:new idea or a new version
Vesna:of ourselves that we
Vesna:want to be, and therefore
Vesna:we have a gap now.
Vesna:And so instead of
Vesna:acknowledging our wins,
Vesna:we only look at the gap.
Vesna:That's the shadow aside.
Vesna:And so what we want to do
Vesna:is not just achieve and
Vesna:feel satisfied with our
Vesna:achievement, we want to
Vesna:step more into fulfillment.
Vesna:So satisfaction is
Vesna:really fleeting.
Vesna:We can have, you know,
Vesna:heaps of goals and achieve
Vesna:them, and then we are
Vesna:looking for the next one.
Vesna:And that's
Vesna:satisfaction, right?
Vesna:But fulfillment.
Vesna:Is energizing.
Vesna:It's restorative
Vesna:and fulfillment.
Vesna:We don't get by doing
Vesna:anything fulfillment.
Vesna:We get by being in a place
Vesna:of presence and if we are
Vesna:always looking ahead and
Vesna:we're always looking for the
Vesna:next thing and the next goal.
Vesna:We are not spending
Vesna:much time, if any time
Vesna:in the present moment.
Vesna:And I don't mean present while
Vesna:you are working on your task.
Vesna:I mean really sitting
Vesna:in your presence.
Vesna:So the things that you can do
Vesna:here is to build some space
Vesna:into that momentum, right?
Vesna:So I know that as you
Vesna:build momentum, you don't
Vesna:wanna stop the momentum.
Vesna:I totally, uh, recognize that.
Vesna:But you have to create space.
Vesna:'cause without space, we
Vesna:don't get that mental.
Vesna:Emotional, physical
Vesna:rejuvenation, right?
Vesna:We really need to value the
Vesna:space because it's within
Vesna:space that we increase
Vesna:our mental bandwidth, that
Vesna:we increase our capacity,
Vesna:that our nervous system
Vesna:begins to regulate.
Vesna:And so whatever you can do
Vesna:to shut the, the noise, the
Vesna:goals, the outside world
Vesna:out, in order to create
Vesna:that space, it's gonna be.
Vesna:So key to, I guess in a
Vesna:way move faster, right?
Vesna:So it's a little bit
Vesna:counterintuitive.
Vesna:We think that if we stop,
Vesna:we're gonna lose momentum and
Vesna:we we're going to be behind.
Vesna:But actually creating that
Vesna:space builds more momentum
Vesna:and gets you moving faster.
Vesna:Also acknowledge your wins
Vesna:and your progress is a really
Vesna:key part because the visionary
Vesna:is always looking ahead.
Vesna:It never acknowledges the wins
Vesna:that it's already created.
Vesna:Also, look for making sure
Vesna:that you have good fuel
Vesna:for brain performance,
Vesna:because nothing is going
Vesna:to work for you when
Vesna:you have a foggy brain.
Vesna:So making sure
Vesna:nutrition is in order.
Vesna:The second thing I talked
Vesna:about was a mission
Vesna:driven the driver to
Vesna:make a difference, right?
Vesna:So your work is about
Vesna:making a difference.
Vesna:So there's a real mission and
Vesna:a cause behind what you do.
Vesna:And the shadow side to
Vesna:that is that you can
Vesna:become a bit of a martyr.
Vesna:you can be over responsible
Vesna:or over functioning, and
Vesna:that leads to burnout.
Vesna:And it can be a little
Vesna:bit of a badge of honor.
Vesna:And so we end up saying
Vesna:yes to everything because,
Vesna:the cause matters.
Vesna:we struggle to set boundaries
Vesna:because we feel guilty.
Vesna:We feel.
Vesna:Responsible for other
Vesna:people's outcomes, right?
Vesna:So this is a really key part.
Vesna:The mission driven leader
Vesna:will, step into this rescuer
Vesna:role, and this is where
Vesna:it becomes exhausting.
Vesna:So stepping into the
Vesna:rescuer role is where
Vesna:you over-function and
Vesna:you don't think that.
Vesna:Anyone else has the ability
Vesna:to do it without you.
Vesna:You have to be in the process.
Vesna:And so therefore, the rescuer
Vesna:steps in and if it's meant
Vesna:to be, it's kind of up to
Vesna:me and doing everything.
Vesna:And that level of
Vesna:over-functioning means that
Vesna:when we step into rescuer, we
Vesna:put the other person into the
Vesna:victim role and we basically
Vesna:rob them of their greatness.
Vesna:We rob them of their
Vesna:resources, their
Vesna:ability to step.
Vesna:In or step up and make the
Vesna:changes that are necessary.
Vesna:Instead, we jump in there
Vesna:and we make the changes,
Vesna:so we rob them of that,
Vesna:if that makes sense.
Vesna:I did a whole episode on this
Vesna:on episode 27 because such
Vesna:a key part if you are doing
Vesna:any kind of mission work or.
Vesna:Work that really
Vesna:makes a difference.
Vesna:And you're out there
Vesna:trying to make some huge
Vesna:impact in the world, you've
Vesna:gotta be aware that that
Vesna:rescuer driver is there
Vesna:and it's not a bad thing.
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:I think if we didn't have
Vesna:rescuers, people talk so
Vesna:badly about it, but I think
Vesna:the rescuer driver, it
Vesna:puts you in that position
Vesna:where you're caring for
Vesna:people that you really
Vesna:wanna make a difference.
Vesna:And I think that's really
Vesna:important in this world, but
Vesna:you really have to be aware
Vesna:And see when you're stepping
Vesna:too much into the rescue and
Vesna:how it's not serving people.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:It's really holding
Vesna:people back.
Vesna:The other one, for the mission
Vesna:driver is that you really
Vesna:have to prioritise self-care.
Vesna:You're going to have to
Vesna:make sure that you take
Vesna:care of yourself because
Vesna:you absolutely cannot expand
Vesna:and increase your capacity
Vesna:when you are exhausted.
Vesna:So you're gonna have to
Vesna:pull away, create some
Vesna:boundaries, and create some
Vesna:space and create some hard
Vesna:nos, some non-negotiable
Vesna:time that you can pull back
Vesna:and, take care of yourself.
Vesna:And thirdly, detach
Vesna:from the outcome.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:Because often with the
Vesna:mission driver and the
Vesna:rescuer, there's a, an
Vesna:attachment to the outcome.
Vesna:Like, I have to help them
Vesna:to get these outcomes.
Vesna:It's up to me, right?
Vesna:And so at the end of the
Vesna:day, we can work really
Vesna:hard for something and
Vesna:it doesn't work out.
Vesna:And that's because a lot
Vesna:of things are beyond our
Vesna:control, even though we don't
Vesna:like to see it that way.
Vesna:and it's important that you
Vesna:let go of those outcomes.
Vesna:The third one was the
Vesna:high standards driver.
Vesna:So this is about being
Vesna:a perfectionist, doing
Vesna:really great work.
Vesna:So there's a real driver to
Vesna:do a really good job, okay?
Vesna:And so that drives
Vesna:your ambition.
Vesna:And so, but the shadow
Vesna:side to that is that
Vesna:it can be hyper control
Vesna:it can be micromanagement
Vesna:of yourself and others.
Vesna:It can be fear of
Vesna:failure or messiness.
Vesna:And so therefore you go into.
Vesna:Hyper control, hypervigilant.
Vesna:So, feeling safe, doing
Vesna:the right things, being
Vesna:scared of making a mistake
Vesna:or experiencing anxiety
Vesna:or panic or shame when
Vesna:things don't go to plan.
Vesna:So you end up overworking
Vesna:to maintain control.
Vesna:And all of that can be
Vesna:totally exhausting, right?
Vesna:Because you, you're trying to
Vesna:keep your finger on the pulse
Vesna:on everything and making ev
Vesna:making sure that everything's
Vesna:at a hundred percent and
Vesna:it's just going to drive a
Vesna:lot of fatigue and burnout.
Vesna:So the shift here is in
Vesna:delegating more, and the shift
Vesna:is from control to trusting
Vesna:the process that and trusting
Vesna:that whatever happens, that
Vesna:you can deal with it, right?
Vesna:At its core, perfectionism is
Vesna:a fear of criticism and so.
Vesna:We do things perfectly
Vesna:so nobody can call us
Vesna:out or we feel ashamed
Vesna:if we've made a mistake.
Vesna:And so to avoid that
Vesna:criticism, we do
Vesna:everything perfectly right.
Vesna:But I think at the end of
Vesna:the day, there has to be,
Vesna:you have to let go a little
Vesna:bit and go, you know what?
Vesna:Whatever happens,
Vesna:I can deal with it.
Vesna:I've dealt with it in
Vesna:the past and we all know
Vesna:that you can do things.
Vesna:Perfectly and someone still
Vesna:criticizes something, right?
Vesna:And so we can overcome
Vesna:criticism even if it's
Vesna:quite often just our
Vesna:own personal criticism,
Vesna:not even from others.
Vesna:But we can overcome that
Vesna:and we need to feel safe
Vesna:with allowing things to
Vesna:be at even 90%, right?
Vesna:It's not going to ruin your
Vesna:life plans if things are
Vesna:at 90%, and it will allow
Vesna:a lot more flexibility
Vesna:and ease into your life.
Vesna:And you'll also have
Vesna:to have some weekly
Vesna:rituals to kind of reset.
Vesna:So things that kind of
Vesna:take you out of that
Vesna:environment and also give
Vesna:you that sense of control.
Vesna:When you have those reset
Vesna:rituals, you feel kind of
Vesna:more connected to yourself
Vesna:and more in control.
Vesna:The fourth one was the success
Vesna:or the achievement driver.
Vesna:So this is the thrill of
Vesna:achievement, the thrill
Vesna:of being the best in the
Vesna:world at what you do, right?
Vesna:So this the shadow side is
Vesna:this addiction to success,
Vesna:and that your identity, is
Vesna:tied to your output, right?
Vesna:And so you're always chasing
Vesna:the next big win, and
Vesna:you struggle to slow down
Vesna:without feeling guilty.
Vesna:So you push to keep that
Vesna:momentum going and you feel
Vesna:a sense of self worth through
Vesna:the results that you create.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:And so there's almost
Vesna:this feeling that if
Vesna:I'm not creating, if
Vesna:I'm not achieving, if
Vesna:I'm not successful,
Vesna:then I'm irrelevant.
Vesna:And that's a shadow side
Vesna:of the success driver.
Vesna:So for this one, you really
Vesna:need to harness recovery
Vesna:time, and it's almost like
Vesna:train, like an athlete.
Vesna:Like when you look at
Vesna:athletes, they put themselves
Vesna:under an enormous amount of
Vesna:stress, mental, physical,
Vesna:and emotional stress.
Vesna:Yet they are champions.
Vesna:And if you look at what
Vesna:they do differently,
Vesna:they add recovery time.
Vesna:So stress plus recovery
Vesna:will equal, success and
Vesna:your high performance.
Vesna:The other thing is to track,
Vesna:non achievement based goals,
Vesna:like your joy, your presence,
Vesna:your play, your laughter,
Vesna:time with family, like,
Vesna:track other things other
Vesna:than just these, you know,
Vesna:achievement based goals.
Vesna:the fifth and final
Vesna:one is the redefine.
Vesna:So this is, you know,
Vesna:success on your own terms.
Vesna:And the shadow side
Vesna:of this is that the
Vesna:avoidance of ambition and
Vesna:inconsistent follow through.
Vesna:So this, you know,
Vesna:wanting freedom and ease
Vesna:meant that there's no
Vesna:structure and there's no,
Vesna:follow through either.
Vesna:And so.
Vesna:There's a fear of
Vesna:being burnt out.
Vesna:There's a fear of being
Vesna:over ambitious, and really
Vesna:the Redefiner should
Vesna:really own their ambition.
Vesna:Okay.
Vesna:Without any guilt.
Vesna:I.
Vesna:Releasing that guilt of
Vesna:wanting more in your life
Vesna:or creating more and to
Vesna:schedule in some white space,
Vesna:right, to schedule in some
Vesna:space and some time to.
Vesna:Really get clear about
Vesna:your next steps in order
Vesna:to create consistency and
Vesna:some checkpoints in there
Vesna:would be good as well to
Vesna:track energy, mood and sleep,
Vesna:and things that impact, um,
Vesna:your day to day and things
Vesna:that need to be adjusted.
Vesna:I.
Vesna:So those were the drivers
Vesna:and the shadow side to
Vesna:the driver, and as you
Vesna:can see, each shadow side
Vesna:has actually a different
Vesna:kind of core problem and a
Vesna:different way to address it.
Vesna:So I'd love for you to let
Vesna:me know in the comments
Vesna:below if you see an option
Vesna:to leave a comment to.
Vesna:Let me know.
Vesna:what would be one of the first
Vesna:habits that you would include?
Vesna:Like what was your driver
Vesna:and what's one of the first
Vesna:thing that you could include
Vesna:to help, increase your
Vesna:capacity with that shadow?
Vesna:Let me know in the
Vesna:comments below.