Welcome back to the Maya Games.

This is part seven of 2026, the cosmic context.

Just a handful more to go.

Welcome also to Saturn in Aries.

I'm recording this Intro on Friday, February 20, early in the morning here in Pacific time.

And I was kind of delighted just now to open up my Astro Gold software, take a look at what is happening and see that both Saturn and neptune are at 0 degrees, 44 minutes.

Aries.

I think the exact conjunction is technically still a couple of hours away.

So this episode will be perhaps finding some of your ears, those of you early listeners, as the conjunction is happening, which is cool and not intentional.

At least not intentional per my humble ego mind.

I recorded this conversation with my dear friend Aliyah Walston over a week ago now.

We recorded on Thursday, February 12, which was the day before Saturn entered Aries.

And we talk a little bit about this in our convo.

So I won't rehash it out here, but it ended up being really cool to get to record while Saturn was in its final full day in Pisces and to capture the energy of

the

pregnant, almost bursting Saturn in the very, very, very, very, very final moments and final minutes of arc minutes of Pisces before slingshotting forward into Aries.

And you know, things do already feel a bit different on the Saturn in Aries ingress.

I feel like a different.

Yeah.

As I listened back to the Saturn convo ahead of recording this intro and ahead of releasing it, I like, I almost couldn't feel myself in the conversation like the version of me that was recording this episode.

Yeah, we've moved on in some ways, but.

And I really approached this episode, I remember really approaching the conversation with Aleeya from this mind space of really wanting to pay homage to the journey of Saturn not only in the last few years, but over a longer stretch of time.

I mean, 30 years if you want to look at a Saturn revolution.

But I have been working with Saturn consciously as an astrologer since Saturn was in Scorpio about a decade ago.

So I was feeling into

the moment

that Aleeyah and I recorded and the moment of the ingress that we all have recently experienced.

If you're listening to this in early 2026 or in 2026 at all, with the intention of really pausing to honor all that we have been asked into and held within in Saturn's time, as I said, not only in Pisces, but over the last 30 years, perhaps, and consciously for me, really over the last decade, of Saturn in Scorpio, Sagittarius Capricorn, Aquarius and Pisces.

Because all of that has been building to this moment, as is the case with every transit, right?

Aries isn't the only part of the zodiac where what has been unfolding in the past mutates into something new that happens with every shift, with every moment of Kairos time unfolding.

But there's something very distinct about this shift from 29 degree Pisces into zero Aries.

And we'll be observing that distinction, that shift all year and for many years moving on from now as a result of not only Saturn's ingress, but Neptune's ingress and the conjunction that happens today and is happening as I speak these words in real time.

So yeah, just as per usual, delighted by how accidental electional astrology unfolds in my own timing.

This conversation with Aleeyah was so fun to have.

Aleeyah is my oldest friend on the series.

Aleeyah and I know each other from several worlds colliding.

We talk about it a few episodes back when Aleeyah joins me for the episode that preceded this series, Know Thyself and Spin the Wheel.

We talk about 2025 having been a hermit year, in 2026 being a wheel of Fortune year.

That was a really fun convo.

So a little more of our history is in that episode.

But yeah, it was cool to be

able to go really wide and big and zoomed out as far as some US politics, some mention of global politics, spiritual, other realmly, other dimensional contexts.

But we also zoom way in in this conversation.

We know each other and we know amount of each other's pasts and we've been following big transits together as friends for a long time.

So bits of that come into the conversation too, which yeah, that's always my favorite to be able to look at the fractal consciousness symbolism in transits from all these different scopes of angles.

I think it really enriches each different fractal lens you can look through to look at all of them.

Which I guess then this is a good moment to remind you all that ascendant assemblies starts in just a couple weeks from the day of this conversation's release.

So if you would like to discuss retrospectively Saturn in Pisces with folks of the same rising sign as you and looking forward to Saturn in Aries and perhaps some things you already have felt in this shift when Saturn was in Aries for a little bit last year and in these first week or so of Saturn in Aries.

Now please join us for Ascendant assemblies.

The schedule has been confirmed.

You can look on my Patreon for the exact times, but I do recall that Air and Earth Risings are going to meet on Saturday, March 7, and fire and Water Risings are gonna meet on Saturday, March 14.

And you have access to those live calls for your Elemental Rising sign, as well as recordings and a bunch of other stuff through my mostly parasocial Patreon tier, which is called the Solarium Self Study Warmup to the work.

That's $15 a month.

I haven't said this yet on the series.

Don't join from your iPhone.

Don't join or upgrade tiers from your iPhone because Apple will charge you something like 30 extra percent.

So you can.

Yeah, you can.

Maybe if it's easy to join from your iPhone, you can use my links in the show notes just to get on the free tier, but don't do any paid subscription until you're on a desktop.

If you have an iPhone, I think it's fine from Android from what I've heard.

Anyways, that's getting started soon, and Aleeyah and I talk a little bit at some point in the episode about how valuable those types of calls have been for us as astrologers and human beings witnessing our lives unfold in the episode.

Other things you'll find on my Patreon I have currently for free my 2027101 workshop, which Aleeyah and I do get into quite a bit.

Saturn in ar, the big Aries Transits in general, as well as the Sextile coming up this year to Uranus in Gemini, which I believe Lex and I will be talking about this weekend.

That's gonna be the second to last episode though, Uranus.

But anyways, yeah, Aries, Gemini, Sextiles feel so the same as a lot of the Keys of the Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix and the Cross of Penetration.

So when I'm talking about these Aries transits, and I anticipate when I talk about Uran in a few episodes, the 2027 global cycle change stuff is just like so right here.

And I reference it a lot.

So if you're one of the folks tuning in to this series who's much more familiar with the language of astrology than human design or even if you're a human design nerd, but you've yet to understand the mechanics of global cycles and what some of us are talking about when we say the 55 is the new way and the 53 is the new leader, I break down in a Very simple, digestible way on my 2027, 101 workshop that I taught for patrons last November and decided early this year to make free, at least for a time.

So if you go to my Patreon and you find the free collection, you'll be able to stream that and then.

Oh yeah, Jessa and I.

So I know a lot about 2027.

Only a little bit of it gets into that 101 workshop.

That 101 workshop is really just me trying to help people see what we're talking about.

But it's a brief.

I mean it's over three hours.

But it's an introductory workshop.

Jessa and I over the summer taught a six part one where we go really, really deep into it and we get it.

We use human design astrology, gene keys, pull a lot from our personal experience and we talk together at length about how we're seeing this stuff unfold in ourselves and in the collective.

And it takes an even deeper look at the mechanics and how each of our own human design and each of our own differentiation are facilitators of this unfolding.

So it's a much more multidimensional offering than just my intro.

If you take in the intro episode and you want more, Jessa and I just lowered the price of that workshop from it's not a workshop, it's a full on course.

It's like basically a whole podcast with lots of resources.

Podcast, like season.

It's a lot anyways, we just lowered

that from like 1:65 to $85.

So you can get that at the link in the show notes as well.

It's on both of our websites, Kelseyrosetort.com and Jessaread.com and we also taught a class on authority in our Authority you can read about on our websites too.

We just lowered that one from 200 to 85.

And okay, I guess this is the episode where I just wanted to share

a bunch of resources.

If you are one of the folks that are newer to human design or you're finding yourself with an interest in filling some gaps, read Human Design.

In case you somehow haven't heard, I have a whole podcast called the Living youg Design Podcast where I release like 22 plus hours of lecture on human design.

It's my entire entire foundational human design course called Living youg Design.

I teach human design from scratch.

And that podcast completed itself last month in January of 2026.

So every single lesson is officially dripped out on the podcast.

So check out the LYD podcast, Living youg Design podcast for lots of other free stuff.

And if you've been enjoying this series and you want and you want to contribute beyond the free exchange, please join me on Patreon.

I'm still feeling into how I want to set up a different way of inviting folks to resource future podcast projects, but for now it's Patreon.

So join me on Patreon.

There's several tiers including a $5 tip tier, the $15 solarium.

That's my parasocial tier.

Lots of resource there with minimal contact.

I have a tier called the altar for 55, which is my bridging the parasocial tier where I get to get more familiar with me and you have access to live calls with me and my community and yeah, okay, I thought I was gonna say more about this actual conversation.

Maybe I'll come back to that.

Let me also invite you to check out Aleeyah's work aliawalston.com Aleeyah has a substack called you'd Are the Spell Aliyah is offering Year Ahead Tarot readings.

They also do tarot mentorships and have several workshops on their site, so check out their work.

Aleeah is such an amazing representation of Saturn.

On this call.

Aleeah has, as we discuss Saturn in Sagittarius in the 12th house, they're cap rising so they're ruled by Saturn and specifically that Sagittarian 12th House Saturn.

And there's so many moments in the conversation where the Jupiterian influence onto Saturn and then the Saturnian influence onto Aliyah as a whole.

Aleeyah's wisdom as a whole in Aleeyah's life as a whole really comes through.

And yeah, having that fire ruled Saturn in Aleeyah's chart I think is a really, really beautiful influence.

That's a trine from Aleeya's natal Saturn to the Saturn that we're primarily discussing in this episode, Saturn in Aries and the Saturn that we are all experiencing in real time now for the next few years.

And yeah, Leah brings so much fire, so much context, so much valuable meaning to how to work with Saturn, to what is likely and probable in the unfolding of Saturn over these next few years in Aries.

As I mentioned earlier, this conversation looks through a lot of different lenses.

There's several moments at the end where things get really heated, really fiery, and

I remember those feeling really good.

I remember getting really lit up by the fire that was coming through Aleeyah and me at certain points, but mostly Aleeya.

And it takes us a while to get there, but there's a lot of foundation laid in how we think about Saturn and how we're looking at this really unprecedented shift in 2026.

So, yeah, I hope you'll enjoy it.

It was really fun to record.

And coming up next, two conversations I already recorded on Mercury and on the nodes, and then I've got two more to record on Uranus and Venus.

And then we'll be calling it wraps on a cosmic context of 2026 on the Maya Games.

All right.

I hope this conversation between Aleeya and I on Saturn helps you to feel grounded, devoted, committed, a little bit on fire, and most importantly, resourced to be accessing deeper levels of honesty with yourself and with how you meet the world.

Enjoy.

Okay, cool.

I'm just gonna keep going on the train of thought I was on.

So you were talking about the intensity of the energetic degree.

And we're recording about Saturn today on its final day in Pisces.

So there's a big, like, almost there energy to it.

And as you were talking about your lived experience with the last degrees of signs as of late made me think about something I've really been thinking about lately.

And I was leading with I pulled the nine of wands for my card of the month for February.

I just did a spread with my friend, like just a week ago.

We finally got to.

We've been wanting to pull cards for our year together, and we just finally did it and pulled the nine of wands for February.

And it just felt so right.

And I've also, yeah, I heard myself telling Amalia, who's one of the collaborators on this series, that in the reflection they were having, that things are feeling what they were talking about for themselves.

I said, feels extremely like 9 and 10 of swords energy.

And this has felt like something that's been ebbing and flowing, but has been a prevalent component of the last several months of time, if not more.

When I think of the nine and ten of Swords, to me it feels like we're almost done.

We're almost done.

We're almost done with this particular neuroses, with this particular narrative, with this particular whatever.

But not yet, but not yet, but not yet.

And there's like a complete.

Exhaustion isn't even quite the right word.

Cause it's like exhaustion, but also agitation that feels relevant.

And then this morning I was awake in the middle of the night because Selima cried out in her sleep and didn't wake up herself.

But then I was awake and I scrolled for a moment.

And I found this poem that I think I want to read by James A. Pearson, who's a poet that I follow on Instagram.

And it felt like it so perfectly encompassed this feeling that I think you're talking about.

And to maybe more formally usher ourselves or usher listeners, I don't know, welcome listeners into the conversation.

We're here.

I'm here with Aaliyah.

Hi, Aliyah.

Hello.

To talk about Saturn in 2026, but we are interestingly recording on the final day of Saturn in Pisces, when for the remainder of 2026, Saturn will be in Aries.

So there's a real energy of almost, almost, almost.

And there's a lot that comes with that.

And that's what we were talking about before we hit record.

Yeah.

And I was talking about how.

Hello, everyone, my name is Aaliyah.

The just how in the last few years I've noticed like, the potency of the 29 and 0 degree transition and how like, especially in the cardinal signs, of course, and how potent those days have been.

Like, those exact days of like, the ingress has been like, wild, like.

And I'm, I'm really like, just like struck by how on the nose it is.

Especially because for the transits I'm thinking about, these are long transits.

I'm thinking about the outer planets, not the inner planets.

And so it's really amazing to know even though these planets will have these years long impact, that they make themselves known, though they're like busting through the door, kicking the door down, like, hello, everyone, we're here.

And it might quiet down after that, but that opening is like, you cannot miss me.

Very Aries, of course.

And I'm thinking specifically of when Saturn first went into Aries last year before it went retrograde again.

I was in bed that weekend.

I was in bed fighting for my life.

And now I'm here.

But I feel a bit more clear this year.

But I could still feel how deep the vulnerability is necessary to be able to really feel what you're moving through right here, you know?

Yeah.

The fact that we're recording today, February 12th, when Saturn goes into Aries tomorrow, February 13th.

There was a moment yesterday and I said this to a Leo where I was like, wait, should we wait till Saturn's in Aries?

But then as I sat with it more and as I talked to you a little bit about what's been coming up with Saturn in Aries, I started to feel like, oh, my body is like it's there.

Like, it's at the edge, like part of me, my hesitation for a.

My fleeting hesitation of wait, should we reschedule?

Was like, wait, I want to feel the fire of it.

And then as I was processing with you, I was like, oh, I feel the fire of it, but I feel the fire of it right now from this place on the edge.

But then I had this moment of like, no, I think there probably is something really significant and meaningful to recording the convo at this end of the Slingshot, like right before it goes in.

And I don't know what, but I just feel really like I guess Saturn in Pisces, trusting that there's something from this moment in these final, not just the final degree, but the final minutes that Saturn in Pisces wants to be a part of this transmission of what Saturn in Aries is this year.

Okay, I have a question and then I'm gonna say some other stuff, but the question is like I'm curious if you intentionally scheduled it for this or if you were even aware of it would be Saturn's last day in Pisces.

But okay, then the thing I said I want to come back to is let's talk about when Saturn was in Aries last year and what that felt like and then the difference between that and when Saturn came back into Pisces.

Cause I've been reflecting on that and it's felt really intense and I think is relevant per this pulled back slingshot moment that we're in that we're about to be slung forward into.

So yeah, did you mean to schedule this on Saturn's last day in Pisces?

What do you think the answer to that is?

No.

Yeah, no I didn't.

That's just how it works with me though.

Like I literally just choose the vibe and I'll pull a card.

And I remember I did pull cards around what day to meet with you and I can't remember what the cards were, but it was clear that it was this day.

And this is just like another Aries related thing as we talk about Saturn moving into Aries.

The same thing happened when I had a major surgery that I had in 2023 and I just chose.

They gave me two options and one date was April 20th and the other date was May something.

And I was just like haha, the weed number 420.

So I'll just choose that day.

And then it turned out to be the solar eclipse in Aries that made

it one of the biggest dates of the year.

Yeah, yeah, huge.

And it was perfectly divinely timed at exactly the day that I needed to be doing it.

So that's kind of the instinctual relationship that I have with astrology.

And of course, I think it's so perfect that we're doing it today because I do feel that sense of like being on the precipice.

Especially like it feels like.

I don't know if you've ever seen the movie Barton Fink.

It's a Coen Brothers movie with John Goodman.

There's like a hotel is like prominently in it.

There's like a fire that happens in the hotel.

And there's these slow motion shots of John Goodman, who's kind of like a villain, like kind of running down hallways and like there's fire all around him.

Like, I kind of see it's not as dramatic when I see it in my head, but I like see down the hallway this kind of inferno or this presence of Aries is coming towards us.

And it's like, okay, ready or not, we're moving through this portal and we're all about to be transformed and kind of consumed by it.

Because it's in a narrow pathway, we all have to kind of be engorged by it, but in these narrow pathways, basically that's the image that's coming through most of all as we're in this 29° to zero energy.

Yeah, yeah.

So let's paint like a linear time picture a little bit.

I want to paint it because I've been looking at it myself the last few days and it feels very relevant.

Saturn has been in Pisces since March of 2023.

I think I'll check.

So, yeah, Saturn's been in Pisces since March of 2023.

And then May 24th of 2025, it went into Aries until September 1st.

So basically, like all of spring, most of summer 2025, we had our little dip of Saturn into Aries.

And then, yeah, September 1st it went back into Pisces.

So we've closed out 2025 with Saturn back into Pisces.

And then on February 13th, which has passed for those listening, but which is tomorrow at our time of recording, it'll Aries.

And I think, yeah, the kind of high level reflection that I've had with that dip in and back out that I want to share is that I really noticed a lot of forward momentum with that dip of Saturn into Aries.

I just this morning was checking to see that my first notes when I was launching Collaboratory, the first notes I ever took on that offering behind the scenes, I was starting to put words to the idea were on May 28, so three days after the ingress of Saturn into Aries.

And then the offering started in August.

And the first where I was meeting with folks and the first few weeks of that container were so fiery and alive and there was so much momentum.

And then it became something really different for the rest of it, where it was a lot more fluid and emotional and kind of swampy.

And the fire that was alive at the beginning of it stayed with us in a way, but it just really morphed into something else.

So, yeah, I was just really kind of moved by that.

And I also noticed that while for the Saturn in Pisces transit as a whole, I would say maybe the Saturn in Pisces that I experienced in 2023, 2024 and early 2025, I was really happily willingfully embracing the assignment of surrender.

And then I was really enjoying the momentum when we got that little window of Saturn into Aries.

And when Saturn came back into Pisces, I was really resisting having to go back to the curriculum of surrender and not entirely resisting it, but.

But yeah, I was kind of annoyed that we weren't done.

Which, you know, that just kind of goes to show that that's a really meta, I guess, way of me seeing that there was more for me to do in terms of my own relationship to surrender and trust and faith.

So yeah, that big arc was kind of helpful for me to reflect on on this eve of Saturn finally leaving Pisces, that there was some heavy.

There was some heaviness to having to come back to it this last bit.

And I feel really, really excited for the momentum of the slingshot of Saturn into Aries.

But I also can see how this last bit has helped me get, I don't know if I would say more clear, but I can see that there's been a level of maturation to my sense of trust and my sense of connection to things beyond my individuality that are going to resource the momentum that we're on the eve of in a way that has even more weight and integrity to it than the version of me this time last year or during the Saturn in aries ingress in 2025 was capable of.

Yeah, I definitely feel that sense of a deeper sense of trust too.

But I am also feeling the impatience.

Cause I feel like I would like to get my brain back from the grips of Saturn transiting my third house and just be able to.

Because I feel the excitement and I feel the potential and the doors opening and I Also, yeah, it's time to get out the pond to a certain extent.

I feel both ways about it.

I feel like, like I feel really grateful for the protectiveness of the Saturn in Pisces.

Transit the space to feel or to like not feel at times too, you know, to like just kind of be in that womb space and that.

Yeah.

And to like kind of.

Yeah.

Surrender to things that are not pressing and just be with what helps you feel loved and safe, but in a way that's sometimes kind of blurry, like kind of blurring the lines between escapism and creativity.

So I do appreciate that.

And it was also like the whole Saturn dipping into Aries for a bit.

And then experience was so on the nose for me because Saturn's will be transiting my fourth house when it's in Aries.

And I started having to think about housing changes for myself.

Like I moved during that period.

I didn't move yet, but I moved in October.

October, September 20th or the last day of September is when I moved.

So, you know, the planning and moving, looking at places was all on my mind all summer.

And like, and not just the moving thing because the moving thing was important to me.

I'm a Taurus moon, I want my place to be cute and I have a cat who's also particular.

It's important for my environment to be nice.

But this was something deeper that I was processing.

Moving in alignment, moving in alignment, moving

in a foundational, trusting myself, rooting into myself, really asking what home is, what I'm seeking from home and why I, I, why at times I felt like separated from home, wrapping up ancestral stuff, like it was been like a really, it was potent as fuck.

Like, and that was, that was just what, three, four months.

Like, I have no idea what the rest of this was gonna be like because that was like a lot that happened in a very, very quickly without me having to really do a whole lot.

But shit was happening.

Like it was happening around me and I was like, okay, well here's my chance, I'm gonna go and go for it.

And that's what it felt like the whole time.

Even when I wasn't fully engaged in a way that I preferred to be, it still was like, okay, we're doing

this thing the way you're describing how that felt for you, that shift into Saturn and Aries and the context around your fourth house stuff, the way you're describing it.

And we were in fairly close contact at that point too, so I was also witnessing it.

And I know a lot of your context about your relationship, home and things that go with this for you.

So I have a good idea of the energy of that and the way you're describing it right now, reminding me of it.

And I don't know how aware I was that Saturn was in.

I don't know if I was making that conscious connection, what was happening.

So you making that connection for me right now is really like.

It's having a really profound impact because it's very easy for me to transpose that onto what my experience was, was in my fifth house.

When I brought up collaboratory as an example, this is my fifth house creation.

It was fun, right?

Yeah.

There was something really precise around the alignment that I felt in regards to how I was moving through this fifth house process of gestating something and creating it and expressing it and letting it see the light of day, but really resourcing it from this place deeply within.

And I think, yeah, part of what feels really relevant about this 0 degree Aries, it's such a distinct and important part of the zodiac and we know it's home to this Saturn, Neptune conjunction.

This year is like that feeling I had around my creative process during those few months of Saturn in Aries.

It felt so, ugh, can I find words?

It felt so.

It didn't feel like it was just about my fifth house and just about one thing.

Like I felt like, oh, this is me.

Like this is me.

And this is the culminating.

This is the culmination of a shit ton of processing and excavation and work and surrender and knowing and calibration and alignment coming through the like, precision of this singular point.

So just like as I'm describing it, I'm just really feeling like from 29 degrees of Pisces to 0 degrees of Aries, it's like taking everything and funneling it in to this one singular point, this one like precise direction.

And yeah, I'm just kind of like capturing that from what you're sharing about your experience transposed onto mine.

And it feels like a good entry point to talking about like, what is this Saturn ingress?

We're coming from everything.

We're coming from the end of everything, from the complete assimilation of it all into the most singular point of forward motion from a very individuated.

And we haven't brought this part in yet, but like self reliant, self aligned.

I don't remember how I started the sentence.

So noun, insert noun.

Place.

We're squeezing the baby out.

I don't know.

I had this very visceral.

I mean, you're the parent.

I'm not, but I had this very visceral image of just plopping a child out from going from Pisces with Saturn in particular, like, the restriction, like, okay, we're wringing out everything else that came before, and we're coming in hot.

That's like, what I see.

And it's like it's a tightening is what I.

What I feel, too.

And it's not bad necessarily.

It's not all bad.

It's meant to refresh and realign, but it is still intense.

It's structure, it's discipline, and it takes a little bit of effort, you know, to get it through.

I think I want to read this poem, and I think I'm wanting to slide it in now because it feels a bit more like Saturn at the energetic degree of Pisces than Aries.

And I'm excited to probably spend most of the rest of our conversation really focusing on Saturn in Aries.

But I want to pay homage to the pregnancy and the gestation for what is about to come and what will already be here when people are listening by honoring what this stretch of Saturn in Pisces has been.

And because Pisces is the everything, the culmination, we're not just talking about what these last few years of Saturn in Pisces has been.

We're talking about the last 30 years of Saturn's cycle coming into a point of assimilation to birth.

What is about to come through with Saturn in Aries?

I'm actually going to read the caption first, and then I'll read the poem.

So this is by James A. Pearson, a poet.

Okay, so the caption says, a few years back, I heard that some places in the world talk about a fifth season between winter and spring.

So I looked it up.

It happens in places like Maine, Vermont, and other Northeastern states.

The winter cold breaks just enough that the snow starts to melt.

But below the surface, the Earth is still frozen.

So instead of seeping down into the deep aquifers.

Is that how you say that word?

All that snow melt just sits on the surface, turning everything into a thick boot sucking mud.

Dirt roads close, trails become impassable.

Meanwhile, the weather can swing wildly.

One day dawn's warm and sunny, the next, freezes over again.

They call it mud season.

When I first heard about it, I was at the tail end of a long, uncertain season in my own life.

For years, I'd felt newts, new seeds of life, stirring in me.

But at first I had no real idea what they were and even as I started to rediscover my love of writing and poetry and being outdoors, they seemed tender and elusive, hard to bring into the full light of my life.

On one hand, what was coming alive in me felt desperate to bloom into the world.

On the other, it seemed very hesitant to make itself known, even to me.

And it goes on.

So I'll put the link to this post in the show notes if people want to read more of the context there.

But I liked that context to go along with this actual poem to read about what inspired but here's the poem, which is a bit shorter.

The Mud Season Patience, darling, it's still too early to trust the season with that tenderness you hold in your globed hands I can feel it too, the yearning to plant your fingers in the warming earth and release what's so alive in you into the scrum of all life.

But the ground's still frozen beneath all this mud and winter even on its way out will take with it anything that opens too soon so hold your longing a little longer in the sheltered care of your body like soft green starts on the windowsill of your heart Seedlings from the tree of good and evil.

Yeah, I read that at three in the morning and just felt so moved by it.

And it felt so like what this retrograde period of Saturn back into Pisces has been.

It felt like the nine of wands I pulled for myself.

It felt like Aquarius season.

It felt a bit like some of what John and I talked about in the last episode.

That's like the scope of things and how even though on some level things are really gonna move this year, but looking at Pluto is still back in Aquarius.

Our slowest anchor, our drone, is still all the way back there in Aquarius.

So there was something about that conversation with John about Pluto in Aquarius this year that really felt like it kind of of recalibrated my sense of time and scope on the unfolding of the transformation that's happening.

And yeah, it just gave me a perspective that I needed, I think, to be able to relax a little bit more and not put pressure on these next couple of years to save us.

Which feels like a way that I'm thinking about the upcoming south node in LEO transit.

But yeah, so the intensity of feeling almost ready but not quite, and the wisdom of this fifth season, like it's not just winter, it's like winter's winter.

Yeah, I mean the thing that's coming through for me, I mean the bit about the winter taking things that open Too soon, even on its way out was impactful.

But I also am just like, just hearing the other things you're saying.

I'm starting to feel about like the reason part of this feels so impactful and why the kind of birthing analogy feels so right in this kind of Spacey 2001 A Space Odyssey kind of way is because some of this human design context and stuff too, 2027, and what Saturn and Neptune in Aries conjunct together with that means for what's coming.

And yeah, I mean, it is cool to think about how this is just like the beginning of something that's going to be, that this planet is gonna be moving through for a long time.

And we are like at this precipice of dueling this new way of being in.

And so, I mean, Saturn gets such a bad rap because it shows up like, hey, are you paying attention?

Are you doing your homework?

Are you checking in with yourself?

Do you know yourself?

Do you even know yourself?

And so if you're not paying attention, if you're not connecting, then Saturn can feel like punishment.

But Saturn is really, to me, it's trying to teach you mastery, it's trying to teach you growth.

And when it's at its best, it's more like a mentor, it's like a grandmother.

It's like the energy is trying to guide you without trying to take things away from you unnecessarily.

It's not trying to punish you, it's trying to help you be the best version of yourself.

And so when I see that in my mind and I see the responsibility that we all have during this time of us like catching that baby that's shooting out of the cosmos right now, it's like, okay, we've gotten ourselves to this point and so what are we going to do with this moment that's so impactful, that is so like sensitive to our ability and our willingness to create and to like trust at the same time.

It's like the, the faith and the creativity at the same time working together to create new life.

It's this, it's, it's hard to like kind of overstate the impact I feel like of what we're in right now.

I mean, which is obvious just, you know, even from like a political point of view, of course.

But I, I also want us to like, not to not get kind of caught in the fucked up weeds of the political right now and keep remembering what it is that we're doing this for.

It's because we're catching this Baby, not because we're in a struggle, but because we're catching this baby and Saturn is here to help us with that.

Saturn is a guide.

Saturn is a good.

You have to talk to Saturn like you actually respect it.

Don't approach Saturn like you're afraid of it it or you're trying to fight it.

Welcome to Saturn.

As a teacher, that is how you develop a relationship with planets in the first place.

But I've had to do this myself as someone who Saturn rules Saturn in the 12th house especially.

I'm ruled by Saturn in the 12th.

If I don't bring consciousness to Saturn, it'll wreck my life.

And so I have to come at it with respect.

I have to be very intentionally choosing to see it as its full self and not try to start a fight with it because that's just destroying myself from within, basically.

So Saturn, it deserves our respect because it's a reflection of us at our best.

So what are we gonna do at this time?

Let's catch that damn baby.

I wanna catch the baby.

I wanna meet all the babies.

I'm excited about this time overall.

I mean, it's a lot.

I'm tired, but I'm also excited.

Excited for what's coming.

No shortcuts with Saturn.

No fooling Saturn.

Some of what I was feeling, and yeah, you said it, but this was feeling like a good time to introduce some of your differentiation.

Cap rising, different energy than a sag rising.

Caprising.

Yeah.

Ruled by Saturn in sag in the 12th.

Aliyah is also a 1 3.

And I was like 13 sacral generator.

I was feeling into the cap rising 13 overlap.

When you were talking about the mastery and the teacher and the lesson, I'm really glad that that's the direction that you're taking us here because one of the things I was thinking about that I wanted to talk to you about, and you have pretty much already answered this question.

I was thinking about, like, it's not a question, it's whatever.

I was gonna ask you, what do you think of this?

But you just answered it already.

I was thinking about how I've heard people talk about Saturn as, like, pointing out that we tend to look at Saturn.

The first few things you'll hear about Saturn are, oh, it's hard.

Like, Saturn comes and kind of forces you to get your shit together and in alignment with a lot of what we've just been talking about.

Saturn's slow.

You know, it's the slowest of the traditional planets.

So that's why we attribute Such a sense of authority and finality to Saturn because of the seven traditional planets, the planets that astrologers have been working with for millennia.

By the time you have a Saturn return, it's like every part of you has seen every part of life.

And so there's something very final and mature about Saturn.

And that's where it's like no shortcuts thing comes from.

And Saturn puts a lot of emphasis on a part of our life for a few years at a time.

And it carries such weight there.

And it really requires a lot of our attention there, but not in any quick fix kind of way.

It's a slog.

Working with Saturn is a slog.

And it's not because Saturn is, is mean or bad.

It's because Saturn's not gonna go until it's time, until you've earned it in a way.

Right.

And so the thing that you were bringing up that I was excited to check in with you about is I remember at some point early ish on in my studies hearing for the first time this idea that Saturn doesn't just bring hardship.

Saturn also brings rewards for the hard work that you've done.

And I feel like with this ingress of Saturn into Aries, this is like the first time that I have felt really tangibly connected to that part of Saturn.

Which is not to say that I'm not gonna have lessons of my own, you know, and like work and maturization processes with Saturn in Aries.

But there's something about how I've gotten a taste of Saturn in Aries.

I think in part chart, you know, a lot of it's just per my subjective chart, how it hits my chart being in Aries, like I'm very comfortable and familiar with Aries energy.

That's already a pretty maturized energy in my system.

So Saturn coming in and being like, let's further develop Aries, I'm like, fuck yeah.

You know, but also it's my opening Saturn square.

So I've also had like, I'm pretty far past my Saturn return at this point.

And if we liken the opening Saturn square to the lunar cycle, this is the first quarter moon where the light is starting to really take hold over the dark.

So the next new thing is starting to really land in the system.

And that is what Saturn in Aries, the little dip of it that I have had has felt like.

It's felt like almost like it's time to get my flowers.

The level of commitment and devotion I've already had to the Aries principles of differentiation and alignment and radical honesty is a lot of how I'm thinking of Saturn in Aries.

I will still, like I said, have my hardship, have my challenges, have my further maturation processes.

And it does kind of feel like the work I've already done in this area is going to start to take hold and pay dividends in ways that I've not gotten to experience in the past.

So yeah, that was something I was thinking about and wanting to talk to you about is just the idea of yes, Saturn is hardship, but it's hardship that's worth it.

And even I was curious about your experience with and your own thoughts around Saturn not only bringing hardship but also bringing like.

I can't find a good word for it.

Maybe you have some.

I have a word for it.

I was thinking about this already.

Opportunity, I think is what Saturn brings too.

I know that Jupiter gets, gets a lot of the credit for that, as it should.

But also Saturn does, I think a similar thing because it needs to give you opportunity to show your mastery, to practice mastery, to be an apprenticeship.

And so it gives you the internship, it gives you the conditions in the environment for you to practice that stuff.

And so I think about that a lot.

I was talking with a friend who is a cancer rising.

And so Saturn is moving through, there will be moving through their 10th house once it's in Aries.

And so I was like, yeah, there's like challenges and they've already kind of like experienced a lot of challenges with career stuff.

But it's going to give you a stage too.

It's going to give you the opportunity to actually be up there so that you can learn and get sharp.

It gives you chances to play and it's thorough.

It's two and a half years like it gives you.

I mean, I think that's also why people feel like it's punishing because it's so long, like you were saying.

But I feel like at the end of a Saturn transit, I think the growth that is noticeable if you are showing up in the feeling of accomplishment and the fresh perspective I think is very clear with Saturn in a way that's different because it comes in so hot with its restriction at times when it gives you the chance to see how far you come.

It's like, it's like a proud parent.

But it's like you are that proud parent.

Like you can really like own that power.

Be like, damn, I got myself here.

There's a lot of it helps you develop like your inner elder Saturn does.

And there's like a lot of like.

I think that's also the reason why people don't like Saturn.

I mean, we live in a profoundly ageist society as well.

Too profoundly.

Yeah.

We don't value the level of lived, experiential, true, embodied, integrated.

No, no, I mean like this from top to bottom, even leftists.

Doesn't matter where you're on the spectrum, no matter what diversity level diversity you're at.

Ageism is like just rampant.

And so I think there's also that antagonism towards the sense of time moving forward.

It can feel really hard.

But like if you develop a relationship with Saturn where you're like, I'm imagining myself as an elder me guiding myself now and seeing that as that mirror, that portal for you to understand Saturn, that really changes your relationship to where you're not beefing with Saturn all the time, but you're like, hey, I want to grow old.

I want to see getting older as a gift.

I want to keep appreciating my increase in wisdom and I want to see myself in my old age remembering myself, guiding myself in these moments I'm in now.

And that's how you develop respect for where you're at now and where you're going too.

And Saturn brings that.

Of course, Saturn deals with time historically, and so we're thinking about that, but it's not just about time.

It's like the active relationship with time.

Oh, there's so much here.

This is so good.

Okay, I want to talk about the glyph of Saturn and Jupiter and I want to talk about Saturn exalting in Libra and being in fallen Aries.

I think I was thinking I wanted to go to the glyph first, but yeah, that piece just now just like lit me up.

Everything you're talking about with our relationship to aging as a society and all of that, but this piece that you just brought in at the end of.

It's not just the passing of time, it's the active relationship with the passing of time.

That's the intention that has been the primary intention of this entire series is like inviting people, inviting myself, inviting my conversation partners and inviting listeners to not think about the astrology of this year as something that's outside of us and something we can look to to either like save us or to be doomy in fear.

But like understand that this is the unfolding of our own process of developing and that that I think there's something to attuning to these really core invitations of what each planet is up to.

That can help us be honest about it as it's unfolding in our lives and in our internal systems.

And so, yeah, I just got really excited about that distinction you're making because, yeah, we don't just get wiser and gain integrity with age just because of the age itself.

It's about being in active, responsible relationship with how our lives are unfolding.

And that just, I'm just gonna say for the eighth time now, just really struck me because it feels very aligned with what I'm thinking about and what I'm wanting to offer right now.

But then the way that I came back with the specific phrasing of like, we have to be in relationship with time, gave me this new way in real time just now, understanding Saturn's exaltation in Libra, and Libra in many ways being like our relationship with any other.

So, yes, other humans, but also anything outside of us.

And this idea of reality as a mirror, mirroring back our most inner truths, most inner experiences back to us.

So, yeah, I don't know if I think I'm articulating it clearly, but just this idea of Saturn exalts in Libra because Saturn, Saturn, it forces us in Libra.

We have to be in relationship with the unfolding of time in our external reality.

And that's what brings back to us the actual potential of Saturn to maturize us.

So what does it say about time?

If it's an Aries, then it's so interesting because time becomes so individualized.

Our process becomes about radical presence in a way, because it is just a moment by moment in the now.

What opportunities are you taking?

What lessons are you integrating here and now?

Well, I also.

If you don't care if this isn't blueballing you on Saturn and time and Saturn in Aries.

I also wanted to circle back to something you said about Saturn bringing opportunity.

And right when you brought it up, you were like, well, and Jupiter.

Right, right.

But one of the ways that I really like to calibrate to Saturn and Jupiter, which to me are kind of like each other's yin and yang, is through the glyphs and understanding that they're actually made out of the same two symbols flipped.

So the Jupiter glyph, if we picture it as like it's a cross of matter.

Yeah, it's weird.

When you said the glyph thing right away, I, like, immediately I had not thought about that.

But as soon as you mentioned it, I was like, oh, yeah, they're the same thing.

I know it doesn't before you even said it.

I thought, that's so weird.

Yep.

You don't always see it it, but this is how I teach it.

It was taught to me at some point at the Portland School of Astrology.

And this is always my starting point for teaching these planets is Jupiter is the crescent of the mind over the cross of matter.

So it's like literally mind over matter, right?

Jupiter is like, okay, here's what is.

But what if we could believe in something else, right?

Expansion.

And then Saturn is literally the opposite of that.

So it's the cross of matter.

This is what is over the crescent of the mind.

So Saturn's like, you want.

Okay, well, here's what you have.

And you're gonna have to chisel what you want out of what you have.

Like a hard material reality.

This is what is.

Deal with it.

Can you.

Can you deal with it?

And through dealing with it, can you still get to the place of the mind's hope, dreams, whatever?

And like, the crescent of the mind is the crescent moon.

So there's like lunar themes in here as well.

So when you were talking about opportunity with Saturn, that's how I found myself automatically relating to that is like, Jupiter presents an opportunity outside the realm of current material reckoning, which feels we need that.

But Saturn is like, okay, well, I'm gonna create a physical container for you to access those hopes, those dreams, that nourishment, those wishes, whatever.

The crescent of the mind might represent a physical container for you to find it, but because it's a physical container, there's going to be limitation, there's going to be reckoning.

And so, yeah, it feels like the other side of opportunity to me.

I think it's interesting because bringing together all the things you've just said in the last few minutes, including Saturn exalting in Libra, Saturn in Aries is a time for the freaks.

It's a time for the people that, like, have been marginalized and have struggled with, like, having and like, possessing and responsibility over things and like, learning to make do with what we have.

And I think that that's like a very radical, like, it's a very anarchist point of view.

It's a.

It's a way of like, kind of thinking about, like, splinter cells or like, you know, zine workshop, just like, kind of networks in general of people, like, kind of making do with what it is that we have in front of us and really being able to shape things in the now from and not from, like, waiting for a consensus.

Like, you don't have to Wait for the consensus to start shaping things.

And I think this is going to be the time for the people who have a different relationship to justice.

And like, we've talked about, this is something that you brought into the conversation when we were kind of checking in before this, like, this idea of, like, we've had this one kind of template of what justice looks like for the last however many years.

And, like, there's this new story of, like, how we relate to what justice can be and what actually frees us, what actually liberates us.

It's a time of ingenuity because we just have to do with what we have on ourselves, what we're carrying on our own.

What can we do with that?

I think that's a really exciting and interesting question to think about.

It makes me think excited about what type of ways people will start relating to networks in general.

Like, just, like, making things smaller.

Like, we're in this, like, very globalized context.

But what is it gonna look like when things get more local, when we're more.

When the groups are smaller, when it's more tactile, when we have to, like, deal with more material stuff just in general?

Because it's not going to be as simple or safe to be online in the same way, too.

Like, I mean, just kind of projecting or thinking about the landscape that we're currently in.

Probability View.

Trust that.

Probability View.

Gosh.

Is that what I have?

Sorry, I'm like, blanking.

Yeah, sorry.

Yeah, you have Probability View.

No, I know.

I know this.

You know how I am with.

I just wanted listeners to know that they were hearing a Probability View person riff.

I appreciate that.

Yeah, it's like, it's.

It's.

It's an opportunity for the freaks to come out and.

And shape things, which I think is cool.

Yeah.

Saturn exalted in Libra in fall in Aries.

Justice.

That feels so.

Yeah.

Okay.

I had written something on my notes app this morning that feels relevant here, and it was feeling inspired by this last thing we've talked about, the thing before, the last thing of Saturn also kind of bringing you your flowers, you know, or even like diamonds under pressure.

That cliche feels kind of Saturnian a little bit too.

I wrote down for Saturn in Aries.

The degree to which you've outsourced your sense of alignment, authority and accomplishment is the degree to which you'll have to reckon with how much you've abandoned alignment with your internal sense of authority and accomplishment.

And one of the thoughts that preceded this is I was thinking about.

And this Is kind of per recent news with the Epstein files, which I do.

I mean let me know what Probability view sees, but Power view sees this is gonna be really relevant to the Saturn.

This is one of the major ways that collective consciousness is experiencing the Saturn.

Neptune co presence in conjunction in Aries is in our relationship to this particular atrocious event and the unfolding of it.

But I was thinking about how the more reliant any of us is on external reality to validate our sense of authority, whatever that means, like for ourselves in community, on the planet, whatever, the less we are potentially the less we are required to establish that sense of authority, that sense of internal alignment and respect for ourselves.

And so, so for folks for whom dominant culture has been providing a consistent sense of validation of their authority, of their respectability, there perhaps may be less of a call to internally source that sense of respect and validation and authority.

And this is just like yeah, just thinking about, for most of us when we think about some of these acts of harm, it's like we can't even imagine it.

We're like what how?

Like how does one get to a point where they are permissing themselves to act in this way?

And one of the ways that's helped because I am always trying to understand, you know, like universal universality.

I'm always trying to understand how for everything, like that's one of the ways that I've connected to it is like, well, they've been patting each other's back and society has been validating for them that they're good, that they're leaders, that they're in integrity, that they should be respected.

And so when society is telling you that when the, what is it called Old boys club is like validating that for you there isn't as much of a necessity perhaps question mark for you to validate that within.

So that feels related to what you were saying with like for the freaks, you know, for the marginalized folks, like you know, at a certain point, the parts of you that knew that external reality, that dominant culture was never going to pedestalize you, those parts of you have been working, have been relying on your internal guidance already.

And those parts of us are the parts of us that are going to have, have Saturn in Aries come and yeah validate the internal work that's already happened.

Like Saturn being this long term process of validation and maturation in the sign of Aries, that is this very localized internal impulse of alignment.

I think people in general too will also just have this kind of clear, impulsive, doesn't have to like, like not holding, like, not feeling like they one needs to like hold on to things.

It's like, I don't need to be bothered with this energy anymore.

I don't need to be exposed to these like ghoul, ghoulish men who are like controlling everything.

Like, I don't, I don't want to feel played anymore by any of these institutions and all these people, these, these people with that play at power.

Yeah.

Like, it's just gonna be the sense of like, fuck this.

Like I'm over it.

Like I'm tired of it, I'm bored.

Like it's gonna feel like boredom.

And which is also why attention and presence and like some self awareness is necessary because otherwise, like where do you turn your energy if you're feeling agitated?

Like, how do you diffuse that agitation?

Like, where does it go?

If you, if there's an other, you can always direct it towards the other.

And it's easy to do that in so many different contexts relationally, like globally, politically.

And so that's also another thing we are going to have to think about.

Like with that shadow of Saturn being in its falls, are we gonna turn into us versus them kind of thing?

Because we're trying to protect ourselves so much.

But I think, yeah, that's one of the things that I can see happening kind of on a shadow level, but on other levels.

Yeah, it can be an opportunity for you to see the different ways, the cracks in the armor and like where you can get through the like kind of places that we can crawl under the fence to like plant the seed, to make the true grow.

Like, I don't know, this is, maybe this is like a too vague or maybe not, maybe not everyone is into like.

Ever since I was like a child, I've had these dreams of like being like a revolutionary and doing like this kind of like secret, like kind of clandestine seeping around like, and hiding from institutions.

Like literally.

This is a recurring theme I've had in my life since I was a child.

Dream after dream after dream after dream for the last almost four decades.

There's like this little group of people of networks I'm networking with and I'm.

We're evading and fighting against like a larger institutional structure.

And so I see elements of that in this time where again there are these opportunities to find where things are broken and to plant new things in and to like have new growth emerge ultimately from the cracks of these institutions.

Subversion, right?

Is a lot of what you're describing and you and I had both reshared something recently that used the word like irrelevance.

Do you remember what I'm referring to?

It's like we don't.

We're not going to gain power over these systems through exclusively, at least through like fighting them.

Right.

Because they're designed to just devour what any fight.

Like they're designed.

Yeah, I've never, I've never heard myself use these words before but like to like harvest the energy of our fight,

you know, like adrenochrome.

No sir.

Yeah, yeah, but it is that.

It's literally that though.

It is that, that.

But we win by making them irrelevant, which happens through exactly what you're describing, which is very Saturn in Aries.

It's like how can we.

So if Saturn is.

And here's Saturn in fall in Aries too, right.

Like if Saturn, it's cross of matter over mind, it has a lot more to do with the actual physical, external, collective in a way.

Right.

Like orientation to reality.

And so that's why it exalts in Libra, because Libra is always looking out at reality and looking at the relationship of self to what's outside of self.

It's in Fall in Aries, because Aries is very internal, it's very innate, it's very personal, it's extremely localized.

And so with Saturn in fall in Aries, it's like, like every.

Anything that is Saturnian, we have to come into relationship with it in some way that is extremely.

I guess.

Yeah, subversive feels like the right word of our typical orientation to it.

So justice, systems, structure, like all of this stuff that clearly needs to die.

It's actually going to die through a million rebirths, through a million retending to concepts like Saturnian concepts like justice, like integrity, like material reality through something very different, which coming back to aries and like 0 degrees Aries and Aries following Pisces, you know, Aries is closer to this very immaterial realm than typically Saturn is.

It's closer to the, the immaterial realm than the material realm, is what I'm trying to say.

So Aries as the next step after Pisces is it's spirit breaking apart from source, breaking apart from oneness.

So all this watery, what we've been in, we've been in Jupiter in Cancer Trine, Saturn in Pisces, until like a weekish ago.

We also had Neptune in Pisces for 16 years or something like that.

14 years, 12 years, I don't know, a long time there's been all this water, there's been all this like gestating, all this spiritual attunement under the surface emotional alchemy and all of that is resourcing.

To come back to what you and I really started with at the top of this call is really resourcing this like breaking apart, this Martian separation, this momentum, this action.

So there's like a contradiction in it I think that I'm trying to get to.

That's like, okay, Saturn in Aries is in fall because it's all of these more collective and external and physical things having to be applied through the lens of this very personal localized thing.

But it's Aries personal locality in a way that is the natural evolution of the most collective thing that exists in Pisces, which is how we're all, all deeply connected.

So like the way that Saturn in Aries is going to ask us to change the world through constant moment to moment spontaneous realignment with the self that is based upon our inherent and undeniable and non negotiable connection to the all.

And that the integrity of the self, the alignment of the individual self is not a separate thing from the integrity of the all.

From the alignment of the all.

Yeah, yeah, I love that.

And even just thinking about like how having to like kind of take, take justice into our own hands.

And I don't mean that in terms of like you know, fight a fight a battle necessarily.

I mean that just like on the internal level, like, like your mind, like your attention.

And I just keep thinking about, about self discipline too.

Because again, with Saturn in Aries being in its fall, there isn't that institutional structure that is like upholding the idea of right and wrong, which it never was.

You know, as we, you know, for the most part as we understand American as like a. Oh gosh, America is just like a colonialist project tax evasion scheme.

But like it's, it's just like this.

We have to like find these internal, internal compass for what is right.

And like I'm just thinking about on a practical level like this, imagine this on a practical level, I guess this is probably Saturn.

Bring it.

Well, it's Saturn.

Like let's go Cap rising.

Yeah.

What's the practicality of it?

Well, just being online scrolling all the time is not going to fucking work.

Which I know we all know and we all talk about, but like actually for real at this point it's getting to a point where it's really not going to be like, I just saw something.

I'm not Going to get into what I actually saw.

But I saw something disturbing this morning related to the Epstein files.

It was censored, but it was still fucked up, whatever it was.

And this was just like, in a video, like a.

Like something like a TikTok.

I don't know if it was a.

Was a TikTok a real.

Some shit and about talking about.

God, what was it?

It was the context of something.

It was Epstein related, but it was something global too.

But it just, like at the beginning of this video, this, like, flash, no trigger warning of this very unsettling thing.

At a certain point, people are going to be like, like, why the fuck am I trusting, like, some random dude maybe in a halfway around the globe,

maybe whatever, with my attention.

With my attention.

I'm trying not to clap into the microphone.

It's like, why would I listen to all these, like, the views of every dipshit on Earth?

Sorry, not to be rude.

Maybe this is like.

No, that's pre.

You're not paying.

Dipshits who have just been flooding our attention for the last decade.

Why are we subjecting ourselves to this?

And I'm yelling at myself too, especially, like.

Cause we feel lonely.

Like, I. I know why I'm doing it, you know, like, we're in this very difficult time, and we.

We created something amazing with the Internet and we let a bunch of fucking nerds and a bunch of people that hate everyone, including themselves, take control of everything.

And so now Saturn's like, y' all step the fuck up and, like, figure out how you're gonna solve this problem.

Pay attention.

Don't keep.

Don't keep looking at that thing that's burning you.

That's burning you alive right now.

Now get out the fire.

Use the fire.

Take the fire for yourself and make something with it.

Like, we just can't.

Like, I just had this moment when I saw that shit this morning.

I'm like, oh.

The last, like, few weeks, few months have been these over and over again moments where I'm just like, oh, integrated.

Exactly.

Why?

Like, not just knowing intellectually why my attention is important, but just, like, experiencing it in real time.

Because I'm seeing horrific dumbass shit all the time.

And I'm.

And that's.

They're telling me that's what the world is.

Is.

That's not what my fucking world is.

Right?

My world is sensitive, beautiful, flawed.

Plenty of flawed people who are trying their best to understand each other, to look out for each other.

That's the world that I live in.

I don't live in the world where people are like betraying each other.

I live in a world where people are constantly trying to reorient, to trust over and over and over again.

I'm blessed that those are the people that I surround myself with.

I don't like that.

The thought like, you know, am I the asshole?

Stuff on Reddit?

Like the story, like even, not even that bad, but the stories I hear from people like feeling trapped in relationships and trapped in these codependencies.

And I'm like, you don't have to live like this, literally.

And if you don't let yourself see that there's another way to live, you're never going to get there.

And if you don't blame the discipline that Saturn is bringing and the rage like how I'm bringing through now, you're not going to get there and you're going to keep doing the same shit over and over and over again.

And then in 30 more years, Saturn return, comes back again, you get fucked again.

Who wants to deal with that shit?

We know too much as a collective to keep doing the same stuff over and over again.

That's Saturn too.

We know too much of the collective to keep doing this shit over and over and over again.

Okay, there you go.

That's what I've been feeling.

Chef's Kiss.

So glad we recorded today.

Yeah, right.

So good.

The codependency piece is huge.

You know, I was thinking this morning about how this conversation of the 11, I think that are going to be in this series has been gestating the longest because you and I have been talking for like seven, eight, nine months or something like that about like let's do something on Saturn in Aries, right?

And this is the.

Or the manifestation of it, right?

Like yeah, but yeah, that piece of the codependency, the like being in your own authority.

You know, I talk all the time about how the Zodiac was my first teacher, first really like concrete teacher at least about how all the parts of the whole are equally sacred and they just butt up against each other in these different ways.

And it's another way of feeling into the Libra, Aries axis and Saturn in exaltation versus in fall.

Here is Libra's truth that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

That we are in this co created reality.

Capricorn's truth of our physical realm, responsibility and obligation to one another in the world we build together.

Those are true.

And fucking Aries truth of our individuated experience is also true.

And with Chiron moving Through Aries for the past eight or so years, I think think it's really been revealed to me and to many how painful it is for so many people to acknowledge the part of truth that is the Aries truth.

And yes, we are living in a shared reality.

And yes, there is true disempowerment in this shared reality.

And what fucking about Aries truth, which is that we do have agency and we are all having infinitely differentiated experiences here.

And through the nature of reality being so infinitely fragmented, the nature of passenger consciousness being that consciousness wants to experience itself through each of these distinct individual vessels, there is agency that lies in there.

That does not negate the truth of our shared collective reality, but that adds a layer of experience and truth to it.

That that where we currently are in the unfolding of human evolution has been dismissed, has been disregarded.

And so there is truth in both that we live in a fucked up world with fucked up power dynamics.

And there is truth in that each of us is having a uniquely different experience and each of us has power in living in the seat at the center of that distinctly unique experience which.

Enter Jupiter in Leo this year, right.

Enter Pluto in Aquarius and kind of like excavating our relationship to collective reality in a way which started in many ways with Pluto in Capricorn.

And this piece that you're bringing in around, like, I mean you spoke just so passionately and eloquently about it.

I'm wanting to just like briefly reference it and then add.

My piece is like the piece of the attention.

The.

I can't find words.

But everything you were talking about with attention.

Why am I giving them my attention?

And yeah, kind of what I like similar to what I was talking about with the harvesting energy thing.

You know, it's like that feels very connected to me to specifically Saturn and Neptune in Aries and Chiron for most of this year as well, still in Aries.

Sextiling Pluto in Aquarius and halfway through the year sextiling Uranus in Gemini and that Uranus in Gemini, my transit being the transit after Uranus in Taurus, where I think Uranus in Taurus brought so much calibration to Taurus is what follows Aries, the individuated body, the nervous system.

My body can show me what I have capacity for and what I don't in terms of my energy output, in terms of my attention.

And so there's gonna be.

It's gonna be a crazy year.

It is going to be a crazy year out there.

But each of us, many of Us are resourced to be able to stay in a seat of power, stay in a place of, if not regulation, the ability to manage the ecosystem of our body and the process of coming back to regulation, even when we leave it.

And yeah, just thinking about, like I've talked about.

I think I talked about this with you, Aliyah.

And I know I've talked about it a lot, lot, like at least pseudo publicly lately.

It might be mostly on Patreon Convos.

I can't remember in this moment if I've talked about this like, super publicly.

I think maybe not.

But I've been really noticing lately my.

My physical experience per the human design framework of like my spleen, my defined spleen, showing me pay attention to this.

So there's like certain things in the news cycle that I'm noticing do grasp.

Like my spidey senses turn on and I'm like, okay, I need to pay attention to this.

And I don't always know why, but having that experience has been really validating for me because I've spent a lot of the last many years being a lot less attentive to the news cycle than I used to be.

And even when I am attentive, feeling less moved, like personally moved by it, even though I remain with a sense of like, deep compassion and deep empathy, I feel it thrusting itself upon me and my own nervous system less.

In other words, I feel more connected to and tethered to what you were just so beautifully yelling about.

That's like, no, in my world, there's peace, there's equanimity, there's love, there's joy, there's all these other things too.

I'm not repressing them, but they are not the predominant experience in my world.

And I think there's a.

There has historically been like, recent historically in my demographic, maybe our demographic of like, peers on the Internet, there's been a lot of like, shaming flung around around.

You're not allowed to feel at peace.

You're not allowed to.

Whatever, whatever, whatever.

It's selfish.

It's selfish.

It's selfish.

And like, this is what Saturn in Aries in large part is coming in to do is to clean up our projections onto the concept of selfishness.

Like, what the fuck are we all project projecting onto selfishness that we think think it's harmful to honor the individuated experience of your vessel.

Like, I know I've been thinking that so much too.

Like, and like, there's a lot of what you just said there, but this, this one thing Real quick, like the idea of people being attention seeking or attention getting and like people using that as like an insult to someone.

It's like, why are we so.

I mean like, I just think that codependency, like the, the, the rude awakening, the, that the world is going to get around codependency is going to be profound.

And I think that like it's going to be intense for some people because like I don't think folks really, I think it's challenging in our world to like really interrogate our relationships and our codependency in general.

When a lot of habits that are like kind of memed about and assumed as like natural are I think going to be harder and harder habits to like fall into.

And I think there is like a need to be like the whole like main character syndrome.

Like we all literally are main character.

Like what else am I in my own story?

Of course I'm the main character.

Like of course that some people like you know, are caregivers and stuff to family and all that stuff and parents, all that.

And also I'm the only person in this vessel.

I am the only person that exists 24, seven years on end in this body.

I have to be the main character in my story because who else is going to advocate for me?

Me?

Who else is going like.

And I'm saying this of course, speaking as a black non binary queer person too.

Like it's especially Black History Month in Black History Month it is especially important that I say my story or else if I don't say my story, you know, it can get erased.

One can act like it never exists.

Especially in this age we're in now with all this technology changing, with all this Iranian Plutonian changes in technology where they can just literally tell, tell a different story.

And how are we going to know the difference?

That's also why thinking about Pluto in Aquarius as north node in Aquarius, knowledge in general I think is going to be more important.

I don't mean not necessarily going to college and getting a degree in something, but just reading a book, just reading, just being more intellectually engaged in general and not making that can lead to again probability view.

I think some weird scientific stuff where we get very narrow minded.

But I think it can also this kind of like a return to intellectualism to a certain extent of like let's be snobby.

Like I want to be a snob.

I used to be such a snob.

Let's be a snob again.

Like can we like gatekeep a little Bit, please.

So that we don't have a bunch of people wrecking our shit because we feel like we have to, like, I just have.

I just want to talk about this a little bit more for a second.

For a second.

Just because, like, this is, like, a white supremacist thing too, Like.

And also, let's retire the white supremacy word.

Word.

I'm sure people have seen there's, like, a video going around about, like, changing the phrasings from white supremacy to white narcissism.

Because that's really what we're dealing with here.

But just, like, kind of thinking about the story of.

Hold on a second.

I need to get it back.

What was I saying?

Colorblindness, this idea of colorblindness stuff.

This idea that everything.

That we can just, like, approach things from this state of, like, not acknowledging difference just doesn't work.

And if we just kind of let everything lay flat, we get this, like, the melting pot stuff without any accountability, without any reflection.

There's a lot of heroism, but there's no actual telling real story and real history.

So we can't just, like, live in this lala, like, where you just selectively quote Martin Luther King, I have a dream.

And think that we're all disposed to ignore our differences.

Our differences and our selfishness aren't vital.

You know, here's the other side of what we were talking about earlier on with, like, you don't just get the wisdom from time passing.

You have to engage with it.

Yes.

You have to relate to it.

Libra.

Well, you can't have Saturn's version of Libra without the other side of it, which is engaging with it honestly, in the moment as your fucking self.

Right, exactly.

And you had said.

You had said, like, with all the AI and the technology, like, how are we gonna know the difference?

And what came up for me, there is, like, it's not just Pluto in Aquarius and Uranus in Gemini.

It's also Saturn, Neptune, Chiron and Aries.

Like, that differentiation, that discernment, there's, like, a piercing discernment there.

And, like, I don't have really.

I mean, I have, like.

You know, there's things that my mind is afraid of, of things that could unfold in the near future that could, like, come up and touch my body, you know, and my life.

I'm not in denial that that is beginning to happen, you know, And I'm not afraid of being fooled because I've been in.

Yeah, I've been in a deep, deep, deep process of, like, getting to Know the patterns of Maya that exists in my own system, that exists in the collective reality that exists in these technologies.

Like discernment is literally like what will protect us.

And we see this in the global cycles stuff.

We see it in some of the key changes like 57.

57 is the new example in the new era.

Like 57 is the gate that's all about cutting through to the truth in the now.

And it's a splenic gate, like through this intuitive sense of knowing just attune.

And one of its potential channels is of connection.

One of its gates that it connects to In a channel is 20, which is another key in the new era, which is the now.

And there's so much in the next era that's about like, authenticity, cutting through the noise of like one of the crosses of the last era was literally called the Maya.

Cutting through the noise of our material reality to get into this individual discerning truth of the now.

So yeah, I bring all of that in to say like, yes, reality is going to continue to get trippier.

And anywhere that we have been relying on external sources of authority, of direction, we are going to be losing access to that because it's going to become either increasingly confusing, AI et cetera, et cetera, or increasingly violent or increasingly the word I'm looking for invalidating of the truth that we know internally.

And so this is also Saturn going into Aries and coming back to that idea of.

And giving us our flowers.

The self attunement that has been happening.

The pattern recognition of the tools of Maya, of, of mass hypnosis, of everything, having everything we're like afraid of.

We've been in, we've been, we've been those.

And like, I never know how to talk about this part because there is like those of us who have been and those of us who haven't been.

And like I, I haven't done enough of my own.

I don't know, I just like don't.

I'm not ready to universalize on that.

I don't get it.

But there is something there and I think there's something there too.

Like Saturn coming into Aries too.

We gotta be ready for this fallen version of Saturn.

And if we're not, I don't know, I don't know what that's gonna be like.

I guess I'm curious to see what this lesson will be like for those.

But at the same time I'm like, well, what is this lesson?

Like every Saturn transit, every transit leading up to now has been Preparing us for this moment.

So if you haven't been actively engaging with it with honesty, I don't know what you're.

What have you been doing?

Yeah, where are you?

Are you okay?

On a similar note, I see how for myself even being what some might call quite awake to all of this, I still see, I can still see ahead what some of my own Saturn and Aries stuff, like there's still stuff in the dark dark that I'm going to be like weeding through and detangling, you know, so maybe it's not that relevant of a question.

This last question I brought in, what

are people doing that?

Like, if you've been, if you've not been gaining the discernment, if you've not been learning how to be honest with yourself and trust your body, if you've not been divesting from external sources of

authority, then I mean, I think, I mean we're seeing to a certain extent the cult stuff like Maga, like this kind of like falling, falling in line with.

And also I'll say, you know, like people, this is something that people started talking about last year, like even before we got to this point and I started noticing it too slowly is that more men, people are going to, are going to try to go back to institutions and try to go back to things that feel safe in like tradition.

They're going to of swing wildly into Saturn and Libra kind of energy.

Like the Libran energy of like, tell me what to do, come with me, don't leave me.

Like, tell me I'm safe.

Like I'm thinking people like, who are.

This is something I've noticed a lot with some folks, especially in the black community that have, that became, that became kind of well known because they're kind of like a little bit more New Age mystical kind of influencer types.

But now they're Christian again and they're going back to capital G, God, capital H. He, you know, which, you know, I tried.

I have respect for the journey that Christianity can offer people.

As a former Christian myself, and also I think it's one of the most destructive institutional forces that has ever existed on this planet.

And it needs a real reckoning.

And I think that like there's so much about it that is, brings active harm to this, to this planet.

And I think that people are gonna go back to the comforts of like the rules, the traditions, like this is the way it's supposed to and when it doesn't fall into line, they're going to get mad because it's Aries, and they're going to fight back and lash out.

I'm so stoked for your.

Oh, shit, my headphones came unplugged.

Okay.

I'm so stoked for your probability view perspective on this podcast because, like, I. Yeah, I literally, like, can't see that.

I think that I can feel my personal distraction in there.

Like, I'm so.

I see the power and then when I try to see, like, well, this has been my.

My experience.

I've been fucking evolving and preparing for this, haven't you?

Like, I'm literally confused about that because that's like a personal view lens which power distracts to.

So I'm really loving the probability view piece of it.

And I do see it.

Like, I do have some evidence of it, but I think like, of.

Of people starting to budge, basically, who haven't in the past.

But I think I'm just.

I'm so.

I'm so calibrated to the pattern of the relentlessness of the mind and the ego mind to keep people from acknowledging their shadow because of their fear of death and their fear of ego death that I'm just like.

It's like, I'm just like, I'll believe it when I see it that it's actually happening in any kind of mass way, you know?

Know.

Yeah.

But there is this other piece we voice noted a little bit about this last night too, of the plan for the last era and coming into the new era, which there's eight locks and eight keys in every era, and they're all really important.

But I have kind of found myself looking at that plan lock and the key that fits into it as being like, deeply influential to the the era as a whole.

Like the eight constructs of each era as a whole.

And the way I've been.

It comes from Gate two in human design, which I know you know, because you have it.

Is that your Earth or your sun?

It's my Earth.

Your Earth.

Yeah.

So, okay, so it would be a Taurus Gate because you're Scorpio sun.

But yeah, Gate two.

I like find that I have this.

I started to associate it, like not entirely associated, but kind of feel into its relevance, being sort of similar to the High Priestess in a way.

Like, it's this energy, this kind of like obscured energy knowing pulse behind the veil that's pulling all the other keys into this like, orchestration of programming that's unfolding on the planet and the collective consciousness.

And the plan in the Light last era was 42.

So in the Cross of planning and the cross of Maya era.

The plan was gate 42 endings and increase.

So like this moment that we're at in 2026, on the cusp of one world and a new one, the plan for the last 400 and some years has been increased to the point of complete excess where there's no choice except for for endings.

So like late stage capitalism.

Right.

And the plan in the next era is gate 51 which is shock and like being shocked into awakening.

So when I see how much like the evolution of humanity not just on a consciousness level, but on a material level.

Because in the last era we were really dealing with materiality and collective materiality through all those eight keys together, I see how it really led to 42 increase to the point of excess, to the point of endings.

And I look at like what is 400 and some years of shock?

Yeah, shock.

Shock towards awakening going to be, you know, like this is not, not Saturn in Aries.

This is not Saturn, Neptune in Aries with Pluto in Aquarius, Uranus in Gemini.

And yeah, I want to hear anything that that all is bringing up for you, but I also just want to throw this in so we don't forget it to circle back to it later.

You had brought up up this conjunction happening at 0 Aries, which is also where the lock lives for the way.

And I'd be interested in maybe like playing with that a little bit too.

Yeah, I would like to hear what you have to say about that.

But the thing that I was thinking about with the shock and what you're saying about, I'm not gonna get it right because

you know, go on, go on.

Vibes, vibe away.

The splenic, the splenic thing like this, like this intuitive and like two, the gate two being a high priestess kind of energy, the yin energy, it's like this is what it's like.

We're moving into an era of the intuition where intuition can come back and flourish.

And it comes back with a bang, with a, with a bit of fire, with a bit of gusto.

It's like to me it feels like profound psychic awakening.

It feels like crazy ass natural disaster.

Things that like we can't even.

And you know, post natural, like I don't know if post natural is not a thing, but like extra natural kind of things, you know, it's like things we can't even fathom.

Which is why shock 400 years of shock is truly nuts to think about.

It's absolutely nuts.

I had a friend several years ago, like 10 years ago, gave me a past life reading and like past life stuff, generally speaking.

And I'm saying this as someone with a north node at.

Is it 1 degree of Aries?

I'm not meant to be someone that's really dwelling on past life stuff a lot.

So I don't get into it a lot personally.

But I think about this one past life story that my friend told me when she gave me a psychic reading like 10 years ago.

So I'm thinking about shock.

This idea of shock.

It feels very electric to me.

And the story that she gave me about one of my past lives is I was like, kind of.

It's not.

Not exactly like pre language but like kind of.

Of primitive language era.

But there is still some sort of like agriculture.

And anyway, I'm walking in a forest and I've got like my dogs with me and I'm just like in a forest, in the woods.

And all of a sudden lightning strikes right in front of me.

A tree right in front of me.

And it knocks me off my feet and I just like.

And I'm just like on the ground and I'm shocking.

My dogs go everywhere and I'm staring at this and that's like my first experience of God.

Like the tree is lit on fire.

I knock on my ass and I'm like, holy shit.

And I've been chasing that high.

That's like the story from that memories.

I've been chasing the high of that moment ever since.

I feel like that might be a little bit what this era might be where like, well, we're in nature, everything's just as it's meant to be in a 3D material way.

Boom.

Lightning.

What is this?

I'm knocked on my ass and now I'm just like contemplating.

I'm like.

In this era, it's not just contemplation.

It's like.

It's not even reception necessarily.

It's just like witnessing.

Just like witnessing and acting an instant and just like, this is what I do next, this is what I do now.

And like just holding it all in at the same time.

It's really hard to describe, but it's.

I can feel it.

I can feel that past life story.

Well, you know.

Yeah.

I have like three really clear things I want to talk about.

And I also really have to pee.

Can we take a quick break?

Break.

Go for it.

Yeah.

I was really glad that you brought back the like the splenic piece, like reference.

What I was talking about when I was saying I was getting some splenic hits because the context in which I've brought that up in the past, which I think I have only shared in like private places, felt important and I did want to like loop it back to what feels important and practical about that.

To me, me I was referring to it as like in my body the defined spleen is a part of my inner authority system.

So I have emotional authority, you have sacral authority.

So like our primary center to connect with in our body's experience for our ultimate knowing is not necessarily the spleen, but we do both have splenic definition.

So those like light soft chills, sort of spidey senses hits that we get are a part of our body's authority system.

System.

And yeah, like the bigger piece that I was wanting to bring in there is like so no, it was a while ago now that we were talking about that, but is I don't have to pay attention to all of the news, but I also don't have to just react to my awareness that there is an attention hoarding thing happening in the world.

By not giving anything my attention, I can trust my body to bring me in and out of co created reality, in and out of relationship to another person, to politics, to the news, to social media.

I can trust my body to guide me in and out of that.

And a lot of people are going to have opinions on what's the quote, right way to do that, right?

But that obsession and fixation with finding the right way to do it is the same thing that has led us as a collective to this moment of fascism being like so present, right?

Like any.

If we are obsessed with finding one external solution, one systemic solution, that is the right way, that is always going to repress the truth of our individuation, repress the truth of our differentiation, repress the truth of our physical distinct individual autonomy.

And so that's what I wanted to offer is like you know, undefined spleens, you're constantly going to be feeling the load of the collective like fear and nervous system.

Because if you have an undefined spleen, you're catching all the dangers, you know, but that's not your authority.

So what is your authority?

What?

And whether you know about this through the language of human design or not, like you know your body, you know yourself, you know your body, you can trust your subjective reality.

Like you were saying when you were talking earlier about like I have to tell my story or it will get erased, right?

Like I really hear your Saturn in Sagittarius there, right?

Like the fire signs are all about My subjective reality.

And Sagittarius is about my story, the last fire sign.

What has all of this meant for me?

So your sense of responsibility to your story that so beautifully came through as a representation of your Saturn and Sag as your chart ruler.

And yeah, I think this year on the Neptune episode, Jess and I kind of talked about how the consensus reality, the dominant culture consensus reality has kind of already divested from itself.

Like, Trump is pooping his pants on national television.

Pam Bondi or whatever is, like, kind of, like, laughing at herself as she's deflecting from, like, the Epstein Files to the Dao.

Like, she can't even, like, hold her character, you know, like, it is so absurd at this point that the reality has already divested from itself.

And so, like, the time has passed for us to put our power into that reality that has already become fake.

It's not even real anymore.

So.

Yeah, I just.

Yeah, I'm glad that you brought it back to that splenic thing because I didn't get around to before, but wanted to underline, like, our bodies know how to wade through the seeming contradiction Aries Libra of our individual subjective experience and our shared relational, collective experience.

There isn't one way that we're all meant to navigate that.

That seeming contradiction.

Our bodies know how to navigate it.

Yeah, I think that's gonna be just so interesting to see how that plays out over the next couple years with Saturn in Aries and even.

I mean, beyond that, when Neptune is alone in Aries, what that's gonna look like.

But because we're talking about Saturn today, just like the.

Yeah, I mean, I guess similarly to the question that you're asking.

I was like, what.

How are.

How are people going to manage that this feels?

Because I think there is going to be this sense of wanting to double down and.

Yeah, again, I think that's going to bring up a thing about codependency.

And I think that it's going to be important to also know what relationships to leave behind when it's not like, a fun conversation to have too personal.

But, like, I think that more and more people will need to know who they can, like, actually really develop trusting relationships with, like, in general.

And they're going to be.

I think that people will have fewer people as part of their inner circle or people that they call, like, family, necessarily through this, because it requires.

Yeah.

All those things where.

Just talking about, like that.

Yeah, yeah.

And like, coming back to.

You were bringing in a lot earlier kind of like the spontaneity and the moment to moment, the present of Aries, that's super reflected as I was talking about in the keys of the new two crosses, Phoenix, Sleeping Phoenix and Penetration as well.

But one of the things that really strikes me about this shift is the big shift is we're moving from one individual, five collective or four collective channels to five individual, one collective.

But we're also moving from three tribal to two tribal.

And tribal is really where we deal with material reality and relationship and physical resource and support.

And so like family, my inner circle, the people moving through this world with me.

And there is a slight decrease in that emphasis from, from the pre2027 era to the one we're moving into.

But to me, what really strikes me is the difference in what those keys are.

And One of the two tribal keys moving forward is 59.

And along with all of these other keys that have so much to do with spontaneity and discernment in the now, 59 is about deep penetrative intimacy and not necessarily for the sake of holding onto anything or building anything.

Continuity was a key in the last era.

It's not now, but for the sake of the way I understand it, utilizing relationship and external reality to see something in myself more clearly and honestly.

So even the use of relationality and tribal support in the next era is a lot more about awakening to the truth in the now of the self.

Right.

It's like a very different context for relationship.

It's not about bargain, it's not as much about like material world resource.

So yeah, like how we relate to each other is massively changing.

It's less utilitarian and more for the purposes of finding truth in each other in the moment.

Like sometimes in a fleeting moment, like one of the keys for 59 per human design has something to do with like the one night stand.

Like, it's not necessarily about the longevity of relationship, it's about the honesty and the potency of connection of relationship in the moment, which feels relationship anarchy.

Relationship anarchy.

Brand of polyamory will thrive.

Yeah, 100%.

Yeah.

It's so wild because.

And I, I have a friend who was born six months before me on the same year, six months of the day, same year.

And our relationship has been interesting because it's been one of polarity, where we see our.

The things that bring us together.

We have a lot of similar interests, but like our profound divergence and like how we approach them and how we prefer things, even if we have a lot of similar interests and like things.

And I Just makes me think about, like, those of us who have been like, deep in this shit, in.

Deep in this relational stuff.

Deep, like in the trenches is like this relationship that I have with this friend is one of.

One that is extremely important to me.

And also it was one of the most.

It's been painful as hell at times too, because of that awareness of difference.

Run away from yourself.

You can't run away because we're constantly going up against different.

And we're constantly seeing each other constantly too.

And so I feel like this sense of like, to people who the last few years have been in the trenches of like, dealing with all the themes of what's coming through with this new era.

1.

I'm hoping there's some aspects of life for us that are a little bit less relentless because of that preparation we've done ahead of time to break the bonds of codependency and to bring it back to the Saturn idea.

The reason why I'm saying this is because.

Because again, bringing this back to responsibility, like, if we've been through this shit, if we've been through the wringer.

I'm saying this at the pep talk to myself and any other person who feels like they hold themselves back for all kinds of reasons that you've been conditioned to believe that you're not meant to share your gift or your creativity or your voice or your opinion.

Large and small, infinitesimal and gigantic.

We do certainly have responsibility to.

To like, guide things along for ourselves too.

Not just like, for the collective, but, like, so that we can actually live in a world that's tolerable and beyond tolerable for ourselves.

If we want to see difference, we have to, like, really take the lessons that we've learned and be of service to the vision that we have.

Like, we can take it outside of, like, being of service to people individually, just taking this.

Being of service to life, being of service to, like, a passion and just like, kind of showing up because we know.

Know it's not enough to live the old way and that we're never gonna feel settled and so we can't just.

I know this is the meme that's going around like, no one's gonna save us, da, da.

But I just.

I guess I just feel the sense of wanting to encourage myself and others, anyone who, like, needs it.

Like, these last few years have been readying so many of us for what we're seeing.

And.

And I know that personally, I feel stronger than I did seven years ago or nine years ago when I first Started this intentional journey into this life longer than that, like 10 years ago, 11 years ago.

And I just want to.

Yeah, again, I'm in this because I'm a Capricorn rising.

And I just want to think about what it's possible for us to actually show up for responsibly and to not like to take this, this opportunity, to really take this chance and this opportunity

to like attorney an opportunity.

Bring it, like we can bring it.

Imagine a world run by people that actually are like choosing awareness.

Yeah.

How good it could be.

I want that for us.

There's so many things here in this, like, yeah, Hope, transmission that feel really related to a couple things that came up at the end of my conversation with Britain on Jupiter and Jupiter in Leo.

And look at the people who have the audacity now, who are taking up the space now on a more collective consensus, reality, dominant culture plane, who have taken up that space for centuries as part of this plan, man from the last era.

And how the repression of the shadow and self acceptance and the compulsion for self rejection and projecting to kind of come back to something I was messily dancing around with earlier, projecting this sense of validation onto the external world, projecting a sense of alignment and authority onto the external world.

Like these are the quote, leaders, creators of the world that we're leaving behind.

And imagine if, Like I don't even imagine if.

It doesn't even sound right because it is what is happening.

What is happening is the, the people who have had no choice but to activate discernment inner alignment learn to take care of themselves in a culture that doesn't take care of themselves or parts of them or yeah, certain parts of all of us.

Those are the parts of us that we've had to tend to because external reality and dominant culture didn't tend to it for us.

And that is the occasion we're rising to.

We are rising to the occasion.

And I lost my way a little bit.

But imagine if the empaths, the intuitives, those of us doing the shadow work, et cetera, et cetera, were the ones leading.

And that is what is starting to happen.

But it's not leadership in the form of the old era, it's leadership in the form of the.

This alchemy of this awareness, of this love, this trust, this faith, this self acceptance on the granular individual level.

Exactly.

And it's just like so simple too because we're going to be all so focused on our own shit, we don't have time to worry, to be all up in other people's business and try to control their lives.

We have whole inner worlds that are enough.

I think that's also what's liberating about like the.

That.

That the breaking codependency.

Once your life is so filled with your own creativity and your own connection, you don't have time or energy even, like the thought to police other people.

It sets us all free when we have.

When we let our visions grow, you know,

that kind of feels like the end to me.

Yeah, I agree.

Dope.

This was fun talking to you.

Yeah, this was amazing.

I'm so happy this conversation exists.

Thank you, Aliyah.

Thank you for help and also thank you for.

I appreciate the fact that since you're Sagittarius rising, you're one house ahead of me.

And I always appreciate your insights on the planets and stuff as

totally like, I passed them housewives, I passed them off to you.

And I thank you for helping me through Saturn and those last bits of Saturn in my third house so I can finally be free.

And it's been nice to free my voice with you in a way that's very vibey and flowy.

Oh, I love that.

Okay, that's your reflection on Saturn in the energetic degree of your third.

I want to do it.

Do me.

That's fine.

Saturn in my fourth.

My last moments of it, some of them spent with you.

I don't know if it's very obvious.

Yeah, I guess, like, it doesn't feel dissimilar to like, the freeing of the voice.

I've been on a whole journey with this podcast series myself.

Like, it's getting easier for me as I go.

I felt kind of restricted around it at the beginning.

And yeah, I think I just have.

I've had a lot of.

I have a natural innateness of like, audacity as an Aries.

But the last several, many years have been been requiring me to refine that audacity and master that audacity.

And there's been a lot of like, yeah, painfulness and contraction and yeah, self hatred that's come up out of the weeds and codependency, like more subtle for me, I think, than for many, but subtle codependency.

And yeah, I think Saturn in Pisces as a whole in my fourth, it's helped me to really trust more the stuff that I'm constantly preaching, which is that the individual is a part of the whole.

The separate individual fending for themself is connected to the all.

And that's a big part of what I've been reaffirming and healing in myself is that.

That is true even for me.

So

I don't know.

I don't even know if I'll keep that in.

But I got jealous of your clarity and I wanted something for myself.

It's just that the Saturn and the third is so fucked.

Like, I just don't have a great.

We've talked about the third house blindness before.

I think it's just probably like.

I think you're probably more aware of the 4th House consciously on the day to day than I typically am within my third house on any given day.

So the clarity one is there is very profoundly negotiating.

The cadent houses are like.

Like I call them the static, the negative space.

It's really hard to pinpoint it.

But looking back on Saturn in the third for me was absolutely a transformative time.

And another thing that's like, I feel myself reaping the benefits of the clearing and the cleaning up that Saturn did in my third, which.

Okay, now I just have to plug Ascendant assemblies.

Did you know that?

That I'm reinitiating Ascendant assembly?

I saw the.

Your.

The.

Yeah, yeah.

Putting stuff out there.

Are you excited?

Yeah, I am excited.

Yeah.

And if people want to have this kind of reflection in community with folks who, you know, for instance, are passing Saturn off from one house or one trine of houses to the other, that's exactly the kind of thing that we're getting into in Ascendant Ascending.

So that's cool.

Yeah.

Aliyah is one of the people that facilitated those.

When it was my pre Saturn return version of the initiative, that was way too much.

And 12 rising sign groups meeting.

It was fun, though.

It felt so nice to be seen.

It's incredible.

Just.

Even if everyone was so different, but coming together in the same virtual space and just seeing the similarities and seeing this, you're just like, oh, wow.

We really are like, shouldering a similar burden together, even if it's not the

same journey, you know, so unique and powerful to see, like the slice of the cosmos being juxtaposed onto your chart the same way as other people.

It's like incredible.

Like, incredible to clarify and validate the experience one is having, but also like, as a learning tool.

Like, so cool to see that shit.

Yeah.

So I'm really excited about it.

And maybe, maybe, who knows, maybe it will be able to.

To unfold into rising signs specific to just Cap Risings versus Cap Taurus, Virgo Risings all meeting together, which is what this iteration of it's gonna be.

Cause yeah, there's something so unique and cool about that.

So yeah, that's being resurrected.

Very cool.

There's one other thing about Saturn going over.

I was thinking about Saturn in Aries for you personally, one perhaps gift.

But I remember Saturn growing up in my sun in Scorpio several years ago.

Those are great kind of fun years.

It's like the year that it was the exact over my sun.

I remember having a lot of fun that year.

It was like I was really feeling myself and so hopefully you have that to look for.

I was thinking about that the whole time.

You're talking about receiving your flowers.

Yeah.

Saturn and Scorpio.

I felt super, super hot.

I had tons of friends that my son is in the 11th house.

Like it was like a really beautiful kind of time.

Like, you know, not without challenges, but I was feeling.

But like challenges that were.

That you were up for.

Right.

Like that's kind of how I'm feeling.

Like I live so holy in my fifth house.

It's such a place of importance for me.

And I also am a person that's just really internally committed to integrity.

And so the opportunity for Saturn to come in and can continue to develop me on this aligned path that I've been on.

You know, also thinking about the 5th as like where it is in the chart on the way up.

Right.

Like since Saturn was in sag, I've been in this deep dive and now I'm starting to feel it turn around and again it's like cracking away from my Saturn return.

So yeah, I really am.

It's not that I don't feel there's gonna be hardship.

It's just like I know the way that Saturn asks me to work now and I respect it.

Like you were saying early on and I'm ready for the level of, yeah, like deeper alignment and the consequences of that deeper alignment that I think I'm going to be experiencing this year.

So yeah, that feels great to hear you validate.

Like, yeah, there's something about Saturn on the sun.

Ooh, another little sprinkle thought.

When Saturn was in SAG and I began this downward trajectory, Saturn was on my moon.

And that shit was hard.

And I'm thinking in this moment about how Saturn's a dissect planet and Saturn on a luminary hard no matter what.

But the moon is this internal, sensitive landscape.

Night sect.

I just want to be cozy with my moon and Saturn doesn't provide coziness at all.

Right.

So that's a really fucking hard trance transit.

But you've got me thinking in a new way about Saturn on the sun.

The sun is about being in the seat of your consciousness, of your power, and shining outward as yourself with integrity.

Right.

That's why the sun exalts in Aries.

Right.

So there is this feeling of like, all right, yeah, clean up my shine, Saturn.

Let's go clean up my shine.

Is that what I said?

Yeah.

Like, day sect malefic on my day sect luminary.

There's something more, like, clearly beneficial, I don't know, clearly supportive, potentially, about that.

So we'll see.

Maybe this is vegetarian silver lining.

We need that.

I'll take it.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I loved it when it started, and I'm looking forward to getting back into it.

So cool.

Amazing.

Thank you.

Love you.