Janice Porter: Dan, hello, hello, and welcome to this
week's episode of relationships rule. This week is going to be
different, because I have a dynamic duo with me today, and
I'm quite excited about it today. We're going to be talking
about a kind of relationship we often overlook the one we have
with ourselves Joining me are Danielle Moore and Shelby
iloria, co founders of Black Sheep Co, a company that
empowers individuals to reclaim their voice, rediscover their
path, and redefine success on their own terms through their
work in brand strategy and personal identity, Danielle and
Shelby guide people to step into their full selves, flaws, quirks
and all, and turn what makes them different into their
greatest asset. In this episode, we'll explore how embracing your
black sheep identity can actually be the most powerful
move you make in life and business. Welcome, welcome,
Shelby Eloria: thank you for having us My
Janice Porter: pleasure so we're not visual for most people. So
I'm going to say Danielle is the blonde of the duo, and Shelby is
the brunette of the duo, and they both have distinct
personalities, and hopefully those will come out as we chat
today. So first of all, you describe Black Sheep at Black
Sheep CO as a place for people to reclaim their voice. What
does that mean to you personally? And I think I would
ask both of you that question. So whoever wants to go first,
maybe say who you are first, so that people will know as we go
through
Shelby Eloria: Awesome. Well, Shelby here what it means to me.
It's really there's parts of us that we over time, we tend to
hide or we push down or we overlook because it doesn't
match the plan that we've created, or what we're what
we're building in our lives. And so those little parts of who we
are, we tend to just be like, Oh, it doesn't matter. Or how I
often like to call it is, I learned that good girls stay
small, and there was parts of my own personality that I kept down
and small, even though I felt I had this big vision and these
grand dreams. And I think that that's what to me, what black
sheep is all about. It's reconnecting with who you are
inside, and giving that a voice in what you do and how you
approach your life.
Janice Porter: Perfect. Danielle, over to you, I don't
know how to follow that up. Shall we say?
Danielle Mohr: Sure, you do, but, but as a writer, yeah, I
think giving voice to those parts of us that we don't often
give voice to, is so important. And one of the interesting
things about our relationship with ourselves is that we are
constantly evolving, and so being able to have an outlet and
have a voice for ourselves as things change, I think, is
really important as well as we develop and grow and being able
to communicate that to others so that they can support us on our
journey.
Janice Porter: Beautiful. See you did just just so I do have
to ask where the concept of Black Sheep originated and why
it was the right symbol for your brand. So who wants to start
there with that one? I'll let
Danielle Mohr: Danielle go for this. Okay, so we Shelby and I
will, first of all, we call ourselves non romantic life
partners. Say that one more time, non romantic life
partners, okay, yes,
Janice Porter: Eff, really, right? And yes,
Danielle Mohr: we do a lot of things together. So we do
personal development together travel. We do business together.
It's just kind of all encompassing. And so that's
where the life partners piece comes in, and and a lot of what
we do is traveling together. So a couple of years ago, we
traveled to Shelby's family cottage in Quebec, and it was,
it's a really special place for Shelby, and it was really cool
for me to be able to go and experience and you know, see why
it's important to her. And so we went, just the two of us, in
September, it was kind of rainy and cold for part of it, and so
the one day we were huddled in the family cabin under blankets
and just cold, and we were trying to kind of distract
ourselves from from the cold. And we decided there was someone
had left a little stack of cards, little deck of cards,
that's like a conversation starter, and it was all about
your family. So it was like, Really, just talking about, you
know, your family, how you grew up. And it was really
interesting. We had some really cool conversations. What we
realized through that conversation was that both of
us, at times, felt like the black sheep in our family. And
this conversation kind of spiraled into, wow, I. That a
lot of people feel this way in their lives, not necessarily
even in their families, but you can feel like the black sheep at
work in social situations in your family. There's so many
areas where this can happen, and then it's so interesting,
because it's actually, you know, we think of it as I'm the only
one and I'm the odd one out. But everyone you know, we were
talking about our siblings, and we thought, you know, a lot of
our siblings probably feel that way in some aspects as well. So
it's more broad and applies to more people than you think. And
so we wanted to create something where we can speak to those
people who are feeling that way and help them embrace that piece
of themselves, rather than trying to kind of tuck it away
and and hide it.
Janice Porter: So it made me think when you were talking
about how one person may think they are different from the rest
of their family or their friends or whatever in their class or
wherever they're they're experiencing this, but it's not
necessarily so it's their perception of themselves versus
the perception that other people have. So it, I would think, can
be kind of a opening Pandora's box in a way, because right you
don't The reason someone feels that way could be pretty deep,
but you don't know that until you start working with them. So
how do you guys sort of handle that when you're working with
people? Because, you know, you're not psychologists. And
I'm not saying it to be right. So speak to me on that.
Shelby Eloria: Well, one of the things our main program that we
have is called authentic, you right? Six week program that we
take individuals through. And one thing we say up front is
that we are not psychologists. And if, if you feel through this
process, some some traumatic feelings or things that you do
need more help with, we are happy to connect them with a
psychologist. So we make it very clear that that's not our
purpose,
Janice Porter: right? It's more personal growth. And in, yes,
Shelby Eloria: okay, exactly, exactly, and then the other part
of it, because I agree, it is like Pandora's box, because
there's so many parts of who we are and facets of who we are.
And one of the things that we go through in this six weeks is we
identify, Okay, yeah, there might be all these parts that
are results you don't like in your life and things you want to
tackle. However, we say, choose one. Choose one to start with,
because then it's not so overwhelming, and sometimes that
that then can help alleviate some of the others. When you
choose one, and we say, this is, this is a journey. It's a growth
journey, and you may want to take it again and again to
tackle some of those so we feel it ourselves, and we have felt
it ourselves, and therefore we definitely address that right up
front.
Janice Porter: Okay, that's so how has embracing your own black
sheepness or your own differences shaped your
relationships in business and beyond?
Danielle Mohr: I think that one of the greatest things you can
do is just embrace who you are. I think a lot of people just
spend so long kind of fighting, fighting against it, right, and
trying to fit in and doing what we're told. Shelby mentioned the
good girl mentality, you know? I think it's especially true for
women. I mean, we handle, we serve women and men, and they
have great results, but women in particular, you know, we kind of
get ingrained into these roles and what we're supposed to do,
and Shelby and I have gone in our personal lives in a bit of a
different direction than we even thought, you know, than what we
had planned. And so it's really about figuring out who you are
and and what's important to you outside of some of these
external things that we're we're always faced with, and just
trying to navigate our own path and block out some of those,
those external factors, which they're always going to come
back into play, and you're going to have to deal with them. But,
you know, separating that outside world and saying, Okay,
here's me and here's what I really want.
Janice Porter: Yeah, and everyone has their own baggage,
whether it's nurture or or or nature kind of thing, whether
it's been shaped by their environment, they've they've
found themselves in, or put themselves in, or whether it's
the deep, ingrained things that came from their upbringing,
they're all different, right? So I'm sure that it's fascinating,
because everybody, everybody brings their own story. Story to
the table. Do you have a story yet? Because I know your
business isn't that old, and that's that's great. But do you
have any story of transformation that you've witnessed where
someone owning their identity has changed their their
trajectory, business wise or life wise?
Shelby Eloria: Well, one of them for me is it's going back to
that good girls stay small. And I've really fought that for a
long time, because I had the belief that if and where it came
from, I can't really say exactly where it came from. Oddly
enough, this is an aside. Is where my sister and I actually
grew up, same family, same parents, all of that, and she
never struggled with the good girl feeling, whereas I did,
what's the age difference? Just out of curiosity, four and a
half years she's younger than that's a lot.
Janice Porter: That's a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Shelby Eloria: And so what I found is I kept I had this big
dream that chose me when I was 16 years old, and it was that I
would be on stage in front of in a huge stadium, in front of
1000s of people as a speaker. And I, I fought it because I was
like, I, who am I to be on stage? What do I have to talk
about? What do I have to say that hasn't already been said,
and it would not leave me. The stinking dream would not leave
me. And I've I've noticed that through the plan I had, the plan
I had for my life was go to college, get a career, get
married, have kids, buy the house, go on the vacations. And
it hasn't turned out that way, and I've had to really embrace
what that looks like in my life and find out that it actually
has given me a story. It has given me something that I can
share with others. And I've I've really had to work on making my
voice heard and being comfortable with sharing that
story. It's a battle. Danielle knows it's been a battle. I've
had a lot of I just recently spoke on a stage in Mexico, and
I've really challenged myself to share a very vulnerable story of
my marriage and my journey of not becoming a mom and what that
did, and my separation, and it was really vulnerable, and it
was really hard. I fought against that however, I knew, I
knew that good girl inside of me needed to be released, and I
needed to take up that space and own it. And I felt really proud
of myself for doing it, and for starting to just own my story
and who I am. So that's that's been, for me, one of the biggest
transformations, that it's still a journey, and it's still going
to be a journey. However, up until that this point,
Janice Porter: was there any time or any thought once you
made that decision to share that story that made you feel, or
that that not made you feel, but that that you thought by being
able to now share that you were going to help other people,
like, was that part of it? Did that become part of it? Or was
it always like, was that part of was that a light bulb moment?
Shelby Eloria: It was, it was a light bulb moment. It was
interesting, because after I shared the story, I had
individuals come up to me and be like, Oh, I related because of
this, and I knew, like I've been transformed by people's stories.
So I know that when we share our stories, there's transformation
that happens, even if it's not the exact same. And what I
realized in that it was almost like it was confirmation that,
yes, Shelby, you're doing the right thing. Your story matters.
YOUR Story can impact other people. And so I don't know if I
would say it was a full light bulb, but it was almost like
this confirmation inside of me that this is, this is the right
Danielle Mohr: path, right? And one of the reasons that we
choose to run group sessions in Black Sheep CO is because we
want to foster this sense of belonging, right, individuality,
but also belonging, right? You belong here, even though, even
when you feel different from other people,
Janice Porter: and feeling different doesn't know isn't
necessarily a negative thing, it's just being that individual
that you are and being accepted for who you are, for sure,
Danielle Mohr: yes, and just embracing it Yeah. And we had,
you know, in our in our launch group, we had just people
sharing really amazing stories and and just getting very
vulnerable. And through that, I think people were able to pick
up on different things. And. And and bring it back and apply it
to their own lives, right? So it's kind of this interesting
thing where, you know, we are all connected as people, and yet
we are so individual, and so fostering both sides of that is
really important, I think, in Black Sheep CO and really what
we want to do through the group program. So we had some people
have some, like, incredible breakthroughs in that first
session or group run, I guess it's a six program, yeah,
Janice Porter: yeah. I was just gonna say, was there an age
average or they because you two are younger in my in my life,
you you would be considered younger. And do you attract the
people that are around your age, or did they come from different
age groups and walks of life?
Danielle Mohr: Yeah, they came from very different age groups.
But I want to say, you know, generally it's people around
like 40 to 60 who are starting to think about this, I think a
lot of what we a lot of people we work with end up coming to us
because they're in some kind of transition phase. So they're
transitioning
Janice Porter: out of a role, looking for something into
Danielle Mohr: something new, exactly, and so like retirement
or empty nesters, or new careers, new businesses, those
kind of things really spark that change, because you start to see
yourself differently, and you need to evolve, and you need to
have clarity around that. And that's really what authentic you
provides, is clarity around the direction you're going, where
you've been and where you are right now.
Janice Porter: Love it. That's great. Why do you think, and I'm
gonna say in business, in this instance, why do you think
people resist being fully themselves? What gets in the
way?
Shelby Eloria: I think it's this feeling of I should be a certain
way. So Danielle and I, we, there are certain things that we
do differently. We're we're different. And one, one example
that I always make it relates to people, is
Janice Porter: she knows what you're going to say, right?
Yeah.
Shelby Eloria: She does is this idea that you have to wake up
early at 5am to be a good business owner? Oh yeah, I wake
up at 5am typically, I just naturally do. That's the way my
body is. Danielle doesn't.
Janice Porter: Neither do I. Danielle,
Danielle Mohr: we're on the same page. Oh yeah. And
Shelby Eloria: Danielle's tried, Danielle has definitely tried to
do it, and there's just something to celebrate that we
are different in that. And that's a really cool thing that
we can work together on. Obviously, there's other things,
but that's just a very simple example that in business, you
don't have to be something that doesn't align with who you are.
Janice Porter: You know that that rings such a bell with me.
For four years I was part of a BNI group, and this was 12 years
ago. This is a long time ago, and I was part of a BNI group
that met at seven o'clock every morning, every week, one
Wednesday morning. But in order to be at that meeting at seven
o'clock, and in order to get the value that I needed to get, I
wanted to be the the welcome host, okay, so that I got to
meet the guests, and I got to network with those people,
really, every time I had to be there at 630 which meant I had
to find a parking spot too at 615 which meant it took me half
an hour to get there, and I had to get dressed and look
presentable before that. So every week, on Tuesday night, I
would have an anxiety attack because I had to get up so early
the next morning, then the meeting would be, I'd be on my
you know, full stop. I'd be the best greeter and all of that
good stuff. But by the next morning, I had a migraine.
Thursday morning I was useless. I had a migraine every week, and
it took me four years to to then say, You know what, why am I
doing this? This does not sit right with who I am. And ever
since I left that group, when somebody says, Can you meet at
730 or can you do a breakfast? No, I cannot. I don't do it
anymore. So I fought that for a very long time, and I'm like,
why? That's not who I am, and I think that's what you're saying
in in a way. So I truly lived that myself, and I can't, I
can't do that anymore. No, thanks.
Danielle Mohr: I was laughing as you were talking, because I had
exactly the same experience. Janice, I exactly the same,
except when I started, I would actually book nap time
Janice Porter: after I can't nap. That's the problem.
Danielle Mohr: Okay, okay, well, that was my that was my relief
for it. You know, it's about knowing your. Yourself enough,
just those boundaries, right? And just say, I'm not meeting at
7am I'm not at my best. You're not going to get my best. So why
would I subject you to that? How about this instead, and just
allowing people to allow that in themselves, right? Permission.
Shelby talks a lot about giving yourself permission, and I
think, and I
Janice Porter: think that's what we did, exactly. And since,
since COVID, the world opened up. And I have a lot of clients
in different areas of the world, like Australia and England. And
like, somebody messaged me today and said, Oh, I've scheduled
this for CWT or whatever, that central European cet time. I
don't know what time that is. I have to go figure that out now.
But if it doesn't align, I'm not doing it. Yeah, it just, it's
just the way it is. I'm too old to worry about it anymore. So
there you go. I get to do what I want to do. And I think that's
so does that also come into play that you see people gain
confidence. Does that happen as well to owning who they are, and
then they gain confidence because they're allowing it?
Shelby Eloria: Yeah, yeah, exactly gay. The people that
we've seen go through our program is, you see that
confidence of, Oh, it's okay for me to be this way. Oh, I'm I am
allowed to feel this way. And it can feel very scary, because
it's like, well, if I let this part of myself out, is that
going to ruin everything I've created? Yeah, and the, the
beautiful thing is, it's about learning what that is, and then
figuring out, how do you create that in the life that you have?
And it doesn't have to be that you have to blow up your entire
life to be yourself. It's start with understanding yourself, and
then how do you make that work within the life that you've
created? For some people, it will be blowing up your life.
Most people It won't be
Janice Porter: right, right. Okay, so I've got a couple of
questions here around kind of fits into what the other part of
your world, because you both have companies of your own, as
well as the company you have together, which right away tells
me that you're true entrepreneurs, because that's
what happens. So how do identity, self image and
personal style influence? No, I'll read this again. How do
identity, self image and personal style influence the way
we build professional relationships?
Shelby Eloria: That is a great question. So I am also an image
consultant. I have a image consulting personal styling
business, and that is a really big I've seen that personal
identity part of it. I'm really big on aligning who you are with
what you wear. And when you create that alignment, that's
where the impact can really happen in your life. And I've
seen this over and over in the style clients I've worked with,
is what they really want, is they want to feel like
themselves and who they are in what they wear. And I see that
as soon as someone starts wearing something that feels
like them, they show up differently. So you see this in
business meetings, is when someone starts wearing something
that feels like them, even though they may have thought
they could never wear it like, oh, that that's not for me.
That's for someone else, but now they have this confidence that
someone told me that I can wear this, and this is who I am, and
I feel like a 10 out of 10 in this they're going to show up to
that networking meeting and be like so on fire, because they
feel like themselves in what they're wearing. And I love it.
And it's not that you have to wear a suit or anything like
that. It's just simply who you are. And I mean, I could talk
for hours about all the different types of styles, but
that's really it's that individuality and that who you
are. And I met someone recently. He loves to wear really wild
suits. That's who he is. And I saw how he lit up when he talked
about it. And I'm like, that's amazing. Do it? Keep doing it?
Because that's what
Janice Porter: lights you up well. And do you want to add to
anything? Derek, Danielle,
Danielle Mohr: I mean, as as, yeah, as a client of Shelby. I
mean, it makes all the difference, right? You work walk
into a networking room completely differently if you're
comfortable in what you're wearing and and it can make, it
can make a big difference in in building relationships, right?
And talking about relationships like it gives you that that
confidence boost to go out there as an introvert. For me do a
networking event, and, you know, actually talk to people and
really connect with them. So,
Shelby Eloria: right? And I have one more thing on that is I had
a client where he's an accountant. He was told, you
have to wear a suit. And so when we talk about I asked him, and
he didn't want to, and I asked him, I'm like, Well, who are
your ideal clients, right? And he said, owners of construction
company. And I said, Well, if you show up in a three piece
suit to meet with them, what's going to happen? And he's like,
they're going to laugh at me and kick me out. So you can't build
that relationship. So you in business, you really want to
think about who is your client, who are you trying to connect
with, and your people, who are your people? Yeah, so that makes
a big difference as
Janice Porter: well. Yeah, it's funny. When I was getting
dressed this morning, I was thinking about you because I'd
watched a little clip of something you had done with
somebody who used to be a broadcaster. Yeah, yeah. And
you're talking about, you know, what you should wear on camera
and stuff. And I gotta tell you, this is hysterical, because I
never wear prints. I always wear plain. And there was just
something today I felt like I wanted to, I liked this neck,
and I wanted to wear this top. And then I thought, Oh, God, is
is Shelby going to think that, you know, because I get that
image consultant piece in my head, because I worked with one
for many years, myself and and sometimes it just, but anyway,
it's not really busy here, so I think I'm okay. But
Shelby Eloria: yeah, no, you're okay. You don't have that tiny
like, the thing is, with really tiny patterns, it makes. Oh,
thanks. No, you're you're good.
Janice Porter: Oh, great. Okay. Next question, Danielle, from a
brand strategy and writing standpoint, what's the business
case for leaning into your uniqueness.
Danielle Mohr: Well, I think the biggest thing that I'm finding
right now is that we're so inundated with messages all the
time, and a lot of it is just information, and what what
people are can actually connect with is stories. And a lot of
business owners entrepreneurs are a little hesitant to share
their own stories, and so one of the things that I'm doing in a
program that I've created called Lean marketing Lab, which is
basically teaching entrepreneurs, you know, giving
them a plug and play system to to tell their story and use use
tools like AI to do it. Well, okay, in that program, you know,
the focus is really on the storytelling and getting them
kind of out of their comfort zone with telling those stories.
Because I think a lot of people, and I know Shelby struggles with
this as a speaker, too, you kind of feel like your story is
insignificant, right? Right? People out there with these big
stories, and it's dramatic, and it's like, it's not about the
content of the story, sometimes, as much as how you tell the
story. And so that's what I'm trying to incorporate, get
people to incorporate into their marketing, their branding is,
you know, what personal stories do you bring to this? What you
know, why does it matter to you? Because if you can say why it
matters to you, then it will matter to someone else. So
Janice Porter: I've never heard it said that way. That's really
good, because I'm one of those people who think I listen to
these, you know, big, grandiose stories that people tell, and I
think, God, that's so I don't have a story like that. So, you
know, why would anybody care? But is, are you saying that it's
more about the, the presentation of it, or, just like the it's
not embellishing it so much as as putting the heart into
Danielle Mohr: it exactly, exactly, and, yeah. And, I mean,
it's not presentation, is I mean, obviously, I'm a writer. I
like the technical aspects of, you know, telling a story well
and doing it correctly. And there's stories, sure, there's
all these different things that go into it, but really, yeah,
it's about putting the heart into it, right? And and having
these connection points and this relatability, where people are
like, Oh yeah, you know, Shelby talked about her her speech, and
people related to it in very different ways. And just giving
people an opportunity through that storytelling to connect in
some way is the important piece, I think, right? So you're not
just telling a story at someone and like you said, you're not
embellishing. It doesn't have to be dramatic. It doesn't matter.
You know, like, we get fascinated on social media by
people who are just going about their every day, right? But
they're telling a story about it. They're, I know they're
making it relatable, and that's what we love,
Janice Porter: yeah, okay, fair enough. All right, I think you
can each answer this one if, and I think this will be the last
one around, last question around the black sheep Cohen. Then I
got a couple of quick questions for you before we wrap up. If
being the black sheep is a superpower. What's the first
step in learning how to use it?
Shelby Eloria: I think the first step is acknowledging it okay,
and acknowledging that it is part of who you are, and looking
for ways to use it in your life.
Danielle Mohr: Perfect. I would agree, acknowledging it for me,
a lot of things come. Down to awareness and just being more
aware of yourself and how you relate to the world and how you
relate to others. And once you have the awareness piece, then
you can start to think about what you're going to do with it.
Right? Like, a lot of times it's like, we want to just jump right
into change and be like, Okay, I'm going to be this person. I'm
going to do this and, you know, this big, dramatic change, I
totally Shelby is laughing at me, because I totally have a
tendency to do that. So what I have to do, and what I think
other people have to do, is really slow down, take it back a
step, and just ask some questions. And that's what
Shelby and I are really good at, is asking people questions that
get them thinking differently about who they are and how they
relate to the world and then what they want that to look
like.
Janice Porter: Now, now I have to ask another question. See, I
just got another question, and that that is when you work in
your what's it called? Your course? Sorry. Authentic. You
authentic you? Do you each take different components of it, or
do you feed off each other during the the the program
Shelby Eloria: I have primarily been leading it, and then we
have Danielle pop in to to kind of add stories, or add, you
know, different components of it. So that's what we've done so
far.
Janice Porter: Yeah? Because you're the speaker, you're the
one that wants to be on stage, and you're looking at it and
writing the stuff and putting it in, I can tell now, yeah,
putting it into, yeah, we have
Danielle Mohr: a good, we have a good, yeah, yeah, I do. I do
some teaching as well, and we're gonna, we're just about to
launch a memoir course, so I'll be, I'll be teaching that one,
but this one was kind of Shelby's brain child, and it
came out of, you know, our eight years of kind of exploring
personal development and personal growth and just putting
it all together into A process that guides people without,
without making them feel like they have to do it this way, or,
you know, we're rebels. We don't like being told what to do. And
like, like Shelby said, we do things differently, and so we've
had to adapt things. You know, we can read the same book and go
about getting the results we want from it very differently,
Janice Porter: differently. All right, couple of quick fire
questions, how do you get your how do you best like to get your
own information, like by reading or by video or by audio,
whatever? Shelby,
Shelby Eloria: I listen to a lot of audio books and non fiction
audio books, and that's where I get a lot of my info. Okay,
Danielle,
Danielle Mohr: I think that's Shelby. I don't know. That's a
shallow answer for you. Shelby is always looking for
information like she everywhere she finds conversations,
networking,
Janice Porter: curious one audio, oh, yeah, she's
Danielle Mohr: absolutely a curious mind. So, I mean, yeah,
you listen to a lot of audio books, but I think that yeah
Unknown: is a little too shallow.
Danielle Mohr: I also prefer audio which is kind of funny,
but I read a lot in a day in terms of reading words. So for
me, I prefer audio podcasts. Audio books are a big one for
me, and then, yeah, networking, I love one on one conversations
with people and asking those questions. Okay,
Janice Porter: perfect. And curiosity, innate or learned?
Danielle, you go first.
Danielle Mohr: Oh, for me, totally, totally innate. Yeah,
since I was a kid, like books. Books for me is where I satisfy
what
Janice Porter: are you reading right now?
Danielle Mohr: Oh, what am I reading right now? I you know
what? I've done, this thing where I started reading, like
six books at once, so all kinds of stuff, business wise, right
now, Shelby and I are actually rereading 10x is easier than 2x
Oh, okay, a
Janice Porter: classic for us. Yeah, I haven't read that one.
What's his name?
Shelby Eloria: John Sullivan and Benjamin Hardy. Hardy? Oh,
that's
Janice Porter: not the one I was thinking of. Okay, I was
thinking of the guy from the 10x but, but I've heard that that
book that you're reading is really good, and Dan Sullivan is
amazing. So yeah, okay, cool, Shelby, curiosity, innate or
learned? I
Shelby Eloria: feel like, for myself, it's a little bit of
both. I think it was innate, however, the what I learned was
that to good girls, stay small, and my I really quelched My
curiosity for a long time. I didn't see myself as a curious
person, I would say, until the last decade, when I started to
realize, Oh, I am curious. I do want to know these things. So I
think it's a little bit of both for Okay, and what
Janice Porter: are you reading or learning about right now?
What are you curious about right now?
Shelby Eloria: I am reading a book called The Seven
frequencies of communication. I just started. A friend had
recommended it to me, and she's been telling me she's like,
Shelby, you'll love this, you'll love this. And so far, I'm only
on chapter two. I am fascinated by it because it talks about
those stories we tell ourselves and how we communicate with
ourselves.
Janice Porter: Fantastic. Fantastic. You guys have been
great. I really enjoyed talking to you both, and I hope my
audience will explore some of the work that you're doing,
because I think any anybody in business and anybody that's
cares about growing themselves can benefit from the work that
you're doing. I think that you guys remind us that the
relationship we have with ourselves forms the foundation
for every other connection that we build in life and business.
When we have the courage to own our story, embrace our quirks
and show up fully, it changes the game. Whether you're
rebranding, rebuilding or simply rethinking how you show up in
the world, maybe it's time to let your black sheep shine. So
thanks for listening to relationships rule. Thanks for
being here Shelby and Danielle. And if today's conversation
resonated with you, please share it with someone who needs a
reminder that who they are is more than enough.
Shelby Eloria: Thank you guys, amazing. Thanks for having us.
Well. Said. My pleasure. You.