Kattie: And my parents came into my room and they're like, we know how bad you feel.

Kattie: We're not going to like, I hope you've learned your lesson kind of thing.

Kattie: They didn't like harp on me too much. They just kind of opened the door and

Kattie: were like, we're very disappointed in you. And we know how bad you feel.

Kattie: So you're going to have to deal with this and see your grandma today.

Danny: Hi, and welcome to Five Random Questions, the show where every question is an adventure.

Danny: I'm your host, Danny Brown, and each week I'll be asking my guests five questions

Danny: created by a random question generator.

Danny: The guest has no idea what the questions are, and neither do I,

Danny: which means this could go either way.

Danny: So sit back, relax, and let's dive into this week's episode.

Danny: Today's guest is Kattie Laur, an award-winning freelance podcast producer and

Danny: writer based in Brantford, Ontario. That's in Canada, by the way.

Danny: She has a lifelong love of public radio and has been clinging to the podcasting space since 2013.

Danny: Kattie

Danny: writes a bi-weekly newsletter for the Canadian podcasting ecosystem,

Danny: Pod the North, whose regular readers include many media executives from the

Danny: likes of CBC Podcasts, Spotify, and Apple Podcasts.

Danny: She's also just wrapped the first season of her debut podcast,

Danny: Canardian, which took Canadian podcasters back to the roots to share gossip about their hometowns.

Danny: So Kattie, welcome to Five Random Questions.

Kattie: Thank you so much for having me, Danny. I'm so excited.

Danny: You're very welcome. And I feel obviously we'll get into our five questions

Danny: shortly, but I feel this may be the most important question of the day and that

Danny: is how many zucchinis have you been given by friends and family?

Kattie: I haven't been given any yet, but I have definitely been doling them out.

Kattie: I have a zucchini plant in my backyard that is producing like crazy.

Kattie: So I am the person sneaking them into everybody's cars and into everybody's

Kattie: purses. You know, zucchinis galore.

Danny: And it's, I mean, you mentioned on Twitter or X, if you want to call it X,

Danny: you want to be proper and, you know, go down that road.

Danny: But you did mention that this is the season. So, you know, you're warning everybody

Danny: to look out for zucchinis.

Kattie: Yeah. Look out for zucchinis in your passenger car seat. People be sneaking them everywhere.

Danny: They be sneaking them. I'm going to use that on a t-shirt. They be sneaking them everywhere.

Kattie: Zucchinis be sneaking.

Danny: I like it. That could be like a little gif or a meme or something.

Danny: And I mentioned there, you've just wrapped the first season of Canardian,

Danny: which funnily enough is your debut podcast.

Danny: Obviously you've been in the podcasting space for a while, but this is your

Danny: own debut podcast. So how do you find that?

Kattie: I am loving it. It's so relaxed.

Kattie: I think making my own podcast for just myself and doing whatever I want on it. It's been really nice.

Kattie: I don't feel that pressure to do anything as a people pleaser for other people.

Kattie: It just comes down to me and what I'm capable of.

Kattie: So I have been having a great time with it and I'm already in the works working

Kattie: on season two. So stay tuned.

Danny: Awesome. And it's a real interesting concept. Like you say, you take your guests

Danny: back to their hometown and their roots and you talk about some of the gossip from there.

Danny: So I'm curious, of all the episodes that you had and all the guests that you

Danny: had on and shared some amazing breaking news, if you like, it was pretty cool to hear.

Danny: What was the most outlandish or

Danny: unexpected fact that came from any of your guests about their hometowns?

Kattie: Oh, man.

Kattie: There is so much wild stuff that came up about it.

Kattie: I think talking to Niko Stratus about her hometown of Whitehorse was really

Kattie: interesting because I really have no context about what goes on in the northern hemisphere of Canada.

Kattie: And talking to her about the Sour Toe cocktail, which I only heard like a little

Kattie: bit about and was more familiar with Screechin, which is a East Coast thing in Canada.

Kattie: But the sour talk, Sour Toe cocktail for anyone who

Kattie: isn't familiar is essentially you go up to Whitehorse, and

Kattie: they have a preserved human toe that they

Kattie: put in a shot glass along with a liquor of your

Kattie: choosing. And you have to drink it, and the toe has

Kattie: to touch your lips and then you've been initiated into coming to Whitehorse,

Kattie: and if you eat the toe you get a massive fine. But there have have been people

Kattie: who come in with the money and slam it on the bar and just eat the toe and there's

Kattie: a variety of different toes like it's so nuts it's so nuts.

Danny: And that's the thing, I mean a, the the whole concept of the toe. I know like, you can

Danny: do that with like um worms or whatever and you know um tequila if you want to

Danny: do it properly you know the the proper way for tequila, but a toe like a physical toe being...

Kattie: A human toe.

Danny: But people willing to put that in their mouth and pay for the experience it just what.

Kattie: No i would never do that i would never that's.

Danny: It i mean if they did so if you i mean if they swallow it what's the process

Danny: there do you wait for this person to come back after nature's taken its course?

Kattie: No that's the thing, there's a variety of toes so people apparently, like I guess

Kattie: locals who pass away will sign a waiver to be like you can have my toe next like.

Danny: I don't know, Canadians

Kattie: They try not to get people to eat the toe that's why the fine is there, because

Kattie: if you eat it then they run out of toes and human toes are hard to come by i guess so.

Danny: There you go listeners if you've got a penchant for seeing what a dead person's

Danny: toe tastes like when mixed with your beverage of choice you know where to go

Danny: and hit Kattie up she can give you some tips on the best recipes i'm sure.

Kattie: Whitehorse, Yukon.

Danny: Awesome. So, so Kattie, as is our want, we are on Five Random Questions.

Danny: We have two there to start with, so that's a bonus.

Danny: So you get seven random questions today, I guess.

Danny: Anywho, let's see what the random question generator brings up.

Danny: Just a reminder to our listeners, as always, these are 100% random questions.

Danny: I've never seen them before. Kattie definitely hasn't seen them before.

Danny: And we'll just see where this takes us.

Danny: All right, Kattie, I like this one. Question one. When you're old or older.

Danny: Old. Now I'm going to go old, because you're not old. You're not even older

Danny: at the moment. Kattie, when you're old, what do you think children will ask you to tell stories about?

Kattie: Oh my God, this is such a deep question. I have to really think about this.

Kattie: I mean, I guess the worst case answer is snow and winter and maybe skiing.

Kattie: Actually, that might be my answer to this because growing up,

Kattie: I did ski racing all throughout my early teens and late teens and traveled around

Kattie: Ontario to different ski races and got to go to different hills.

Kattie: So I don't know. The ski season is already in decline. So I think maybe some

Kattie: kids might be asking me about winter sports about where it was, and I probably

Kattie: would end up telling them about winter sports too just because I can't help it I love winter sports.

Danny: I wonder if kids will even have snow when that's

Kattie: I wonder.

Danny: I mean when I'm older kids will still have snow because I'm old now so older is

Danny: probably like two months away! But yeah I just, I do wonder like you say I know

Danny: that the Canadian snow and skiing scene has been really impacted,

Danny: you know, by the warmer climate that's been, you know, affecting everything.

Danny: So yeah, so you mentioned ski racing. So were you a competitive skier then or

Danny: was it competitions that you entered?

Kattie: Yeah, I was like a semi-competitive racer. So I wasn't like the top of my team by any means.

Kattie: I skied out of a ski club called the Milton Heights Racing Club,

Kattie: just in in Milton, Ontario.

Kattie: And that took place at a hill called Glen Eden.

Kattie: And Glen Eden is a pretty small hill just off of the escarpment here in Ontario.

Kattie: And probably takes you about 30 seconds to ski down and about 15 minutes to

Kattie: go up on the chairlift. It took forever.

Kattie: So yeah, the Milton Heights Racing Club was a part of, I guess,

Kattie: an entire Ontario racing club competition.

Kattie: So I would go to other different clubs around Ontario usually every weekend and go do a race.

Kattie: And races were a variety of either a slalom race course or a Super G race course,

Kattie: which were either just depends on how close the gates are all together.

Kattie: Yeah, and I did that throughout all of my teen years. And it was super fun going

Kattie: to hanging out with my teen friends at different hotels across the province

Kattie: and going to ski races the next day.

Kattie: And I think by grade 12, I really wasn't, I wasn't expecting to continue racing after I graduated.

Kattie: So I was just taking it easy and hanging out with my friends. It was, it was great.

Danny: And you still ski now then? You still get up to any resorts,

Danny: et cetera? Because Ontario's got some amazing ones, right?

Kattie: Yeah, I still ski when I can. It's been a little bit tricky over the last few

Kattie: years, but my partner is a snowboarder.

Kattie: So we've been trying to go up skiing and going to Blue Mountain in Ontario,

Kattie: which is like sort of the biggest one Ontario has to offer.

Kattie: But yeah, the ski season has just been really awful the last couple of years.

Kattie: So we just haven't been able to like the timing just hasn't really worked out

Kattie: for us. So hoping to get back on the snow this year at some point. We'll see.

Danny: And I guess if the worst comes to the worst, if you ever find a severed toe

Danny: because it's been frozen in the snow, you know where to take it.

Kattie: Yep.

Kattie: Just go over to the Yukon and find some snow there.

Danny: Perfect. Perfect. So what would you tell kids, do you think?

Danny: What would you tell them about your time as a teen or just in skiing in general

Danny: and why it's such a cool thing to do?

Kattie: I don't know. I think I would maybe talk to them about, I think I would maybe

Kattie: tell them about my just experience as a teenager and a kid doing competition sports.

Kattie: I think it's such a fun part of life if you have the ability to do it.

Kattie: You make so many more friends outside of school.

Kattie: This was, if I was ending up in basically my exact parents shoes,

Kattie: I would probably be telling children that you don't have to be a copycat of your friends at school.

Kattie: You can make friends in other places and find people that you really get along

Kattie: with in a variety of different places to figure out who you really are.

Kattie: So I think skiing was such a great opportunity for me to be a part of a team

Kattie: and meet people outside of my hometown because people came from kind of across

Kattie: the Halton region to come to my ski place.

Kattie: So, yeah, I think that was a big part of me finding independence, was just making

Kattie: friends in a variety of different places.

Kattie: And I think team sports are a big, big part of doing that as a kid.

Danny: No, definitely. And hopefully kids will still be able to enjoy snow,

Danny: you know, when they're a bit older, and you're telling them and regaling them

Danny: of these tales. So that'd be awesome to hear, for sure.

Kattie: And if they can't, they can do my other winter sport, which was speed skating,

Kattie: which will take place indoors in a ski arena, or a skating arena,

Kattie: which hopefully will be still around in a number of years.

Danny: Yeah, I think they're still popular. Where we live, we have a little outdoor

Danny: skating rink that they put together.

Danny: So the community puts that together every winter. And that's getting used all

Danny: the time by the local kids, etc. So that's good to see.

Kattie: Amazing.

Danny: Definitely. all righty so that was an interesting one to kick the old episode

Danny: off with yeah, let's see where we go from here. Question number two - what's something

Danny: that you've tried that you'll never ever try again?

Kattie: Oh, these are such hard questions! Um, I immediately thought about food items but

Kattie: i'm I'm not a very picky person.

Kattie: You know what? If I can get really, really real about this, I think ecstasy.

Kattie: I've tried ecstasy before a couple of times in my early 20s,

Kattie: and it was an experience, but I don't think I will ever do it again.

Kattie: It is the worst that... People will try and convince you to do these types of

Kattie: drugs and tell you, hey, there's no hangover.

Kattie: It's great. It's the happiest you've ever felt in your life.

Kattie: And while you will feel very happy that night, the next day,

Kattie: I thought I was going to die.

Kattie: Straight up, it was the worst feeling of all time and definitely not worth it. So I would say...

Kattie: I wouldn't do any drugs other than weed, if I'm going to be totally honest.

Danny: No, I hear you. I mean, I was like, and I've never really shared this before

Danny: either. So you're getting on about with me here as well. So kudos there.

Danny: But yeah, I was like, I think 31, 32, I think, back in the UK.

Danny: And I never really tried any hard drugs. The main thing I tried was weed,

Danny: like you say. Seemed fairly popular.

Danny: And a bunch of friends said, so we're going to this rave down in Manchester.

Danny: Do you want to come? so I thought yeah cool I've never been to a rave.

Kattie: Oh, and in the UK that would be highly tempting I'm sure.

Danny: It was crazy it was a really good evening. Like, the the sounds, the visuals, everything -

Danny: great experience um but yeah I'm same as you I

Danny: tried uh some ecstasy and felt really

Danny: euphoric on the evening and that did help with the pulse and

Danny: bass, and all the lights that was going on. But the day after it's the

Danny: the worst like come down I guess, yeah, you know I felt lethargic, didn't want

Danny: to do anything. It has a really interesting side effect for men as well, which

Danny: makes a certain part of their body very very small um so i will leave that i

Danny: will leave that there.

Kattie: I feel, like that tells you everything you need to know though. I feel like your body

Kattie: is just in shock it's just like I am so tense but feel awful. Like, the entire

Kattie: day I don't think I got out of bed until like 5 p.m like it was brutal absolutely

Kattie: brutal i've never felt so awful in my life.

Danny: And I'm curious if you ever have kids of your own for example, um because obviously

Danny: you've had experiences of your your own, if they said they want to experiment

Danny: what would your advice to them be maybe?

Kattie: This is so funny because i was listening to a podcast yesterday that kind of

Kattie: um touched on this a little bit which was this guy was talking about how he

Kattie: had asked his mom about wanting to try weed.

Kattie: And he said, his mom said to him, well, you know, I've tried it before.

Kattie: It just kind of made me really sleepy and eat a lot. And it's not really my thing.

Kattie: And he was like, oh, okay, well, that doesn't sound very exciting to me.

Kattie: So he just never ended up smoking weed. And he didn't end up trying it until he was in his early 30s.

Kattie: Because he just had no interest in it. He didn't really care.

Kattie: And to this day, he's not like a big drinker. He's definitely not a drug user,

Kattie: like he just isn't into that stuff.

Kattie: And not like, I think that's the ideal outcome for everybody that they want for their child.

Kattie: I don't know if it's necessarily realistic.

Kattie: But I think if I had a kid and they asked me about drugs, I'd probably be just

Kattie: as honest as I'm being right now about how it was.

Kattie: Like you feel good the night before, you feel like trash the next day. Like.

Kattie: You can't stop kids from trying something anyway, especially if you say no,

Kattie: they're usually going to say they're usually going to do it, I feel like.

Kattie: So I just try and be honest about it and be like, it's up to you.

Kattie: But I wouldn't recommend going crazy about this.

Kattie: And if you want to try it, try a small amount first kind of thing and go from there.

Kattie: Or if something is definitely extremely dangerous, I'd be like,

Kattie: this is how dangerous this is. maybe send them some articles and just be like

Kattie: read this before you decide to make this decision.

Danny: Well that's it's like you say it's that fine line where you're trying to

Danny: a um not be judgmental because you did the same

Danny: thing you know as a younger person um so they can throw that back you. But as

Danny: you say, you don't want to put them, you don't want to encourage them by trying

Danny: to put them off too much because then it's just going to make them rebel that's

Danny: what kids do, that's what we did as kids, we rebelled against whatever our parents

Danny: told us not to do we would. So I can imagine it being like, thankfully,

Danny: I've not had that discussion yet or had to have it with my kids.

Danny: Not looking forward to that. We'll see how that goes.

Danny: But yeah, I feel like that's almost most things that make you feel great at

Danny: the time when you're enjoying lots of ice cream, for example,

Danny: all the burgers, all the whatever at a food fest.

Danny: But then you know you're going to pay for it the day after you know in not a

Danny: good way and maybe that's the reason they do that you know maybe they're trying

Danny: to give you a lesson say well if you're stupid enough to come back the week

Danny: after after having gone through that more fault you.

Kattie: This is what happened to me as a kid when I was, I think, maybe 15 or 16.

Kattie: I went to a Halloween party and definitely drank way too much red wine.

Kattie: And my mom picked me up from that party. And I just she's like,

Kattie: I remember the door opening and you just falling out of the door. And I was like, oh, no.

Kattie: And my parents were like, Kattie doesn't drink.

Kattie: She doesn't do any of these bad things.

Kattie: And so that was like the shock of their life was seeing me just inebriated coming

Kattie: out of a friend's house. And the next day I had to go visit my grandma and I

Kattie: felt like absolute trash.

Kattie: And my parents came into my room and they're like, we know how bad you feel.

Kattie: We're not going to like, I hope you've learned your lesson kind of thing.

Kattie: They didn't like harp on me too much. They just kind of opened the door and

Kattie: were like, we're very disappointed in you. And we know how bad you feel.

Kattie: So you're going to have to deal with this and see your grandma today.

Kattie: So I was like well I definitely have learned my lesson I think.

Danny: Well and self-punishment is often the best kind of

Danny: punishment because you know I don't want to do that again. Yeah autonomy punishment.

Danny: Autonomy punishment - there you go, that's a great band name you can see like an

Danny: alt rock band from from Brantford popping up there. Awesome. So there you go kids

Danny: just say no. Let's have a look at

Danny: question number three.

Danny: Ooh, now here's an interesting one. Question three, Kattie, what would be harder

Danny: for you: to tell someone you love them or that you do not love them back?

Kattie: Ooh, this is such an interesting question because in one instance,

Kattie: this is really a question around would you rather be rejected or reject someone?

Kattie: And rejection is so hard on both ends.

Kattie: I think I think it would be harder for me to tell someone I don't love them back.

Kattie: I have like pretty high people pleasing tendencies.

Kattie: And I think like when I love something, I really do love something and I'm pretty

Kattie: obvious about it too. So I think it'd be pretty easy for me to tell somebody I love them.

Kattie: I don't think it's easy for me to like fall in love. But I think if I got there,

Kattie: I could definitely tell them.

Kattie: But yeah, to tell them I don't love them back would be extremely difficult.

Danny: Have you ever been in a position where you've been with someone and they're

Danny: clearly more into you than you are into them?

Danny: And if so, maybe not in a love factor, but certainly in a relationship before

Danny: love was involved, for example.

Danny: How did you deal with that? How did you manage that then?

Kattie: Interesting. Honestly, like, no. My dating and romantic history has pretty much

Kattie: always been being dumped and basically just ending up in the friend zone with everybody.

Kattie: But there was one instance that I can think of. I got out of a long-term,

Kattie: like a three and a half year relationship right after university,

Kattie: at the end of university.

Kattie: And that was like basically all of my early 20s

Kattie: and late teens so I was ready to date at

Kattie: that point. Um, so I spent like basically

Kattie: a year dating and that's when I kind of

Kattie: had these instances and there was one specific person

Kattie: that I can tell you the the story about, telling them and rejecting them. Um, and

Kattie: actually we went on a lot of really fun dates and had a lot of fun a lot of

Kattie: fun together, and it was clear that he was really into me and I usually always

Kattie: had to tell him like, hey I'm just sort of out here dating I just got out of

Kattie: a long relationship. I'm not ready to make anything serious.

Kattie: And I think because he kept pestering me a bit, it was easier for me to tell

Kattie: him because it was starting to get a bit annoying.

Kattie: And I wasn't in the headspace where I was taking dating very seriously at that time.

Kattie: And then eventually we went on a date and he made some homophobic remarks,

Kattie: which made rejecting him a lot easier for me.

Kattie: And at the end of that date, I was like, sorry, this is, I don't like you.

Kattie: I I don't like that behavior and we're done here.

Kattie: And he was pretty upset about that.

Kattie: But I was able to be like, no, we're done. That's the biggest instance I have of that.

Danny: It always surprises me. Well, I guess not, because, I mean, obviously people

Danny: are different in what they share openly and what they keep until they feel they

Danny: can share that, because they might have seen something else in that person.

Danny: But it always kind of surprises me when people, because most people that are

Danny: good people, that are open and accepting, make that very clear.

Danny: It comes across when you're talking about people, when you're in environments, etc.

Danny: So it always surprises me when when someone comes out that's been with you a

Danny: while, or around you for a while, comes out with something that's completely opposite

Danny: to what they must know about you as a person and just come up straight out and say something like that.

Kattie: Yeah it is so interesting like you should know me well

Kattie: enough we've gone on like what four or five dates now,

Kattie: and i'm pretty obvious about the things that i value in life and uh yeah it's

Kattie: so interesting when that happens you're like, wait have we been like have we

Kattie: been on the same page this whole time? Clearly not. It's so so wild in that instance

Kattie: too because you're just like what has this been this whole time exactly.

Danny: And that must have come a bit of a surprise for you because you mentioned you've

Danny: been on some amazing dates I guess, up until that point yeah, there'd be no sort

Danny: of red flags or warning signs that this person was homophobic.

Kattie: Totally yeah and it was it was a super surprise. And I think this is a super

Kattie: stereotype, but one of the funniest parts to me was that he was a barista at Starbucks,

Kattie: which is like, there are so many people in the LGBTQ community who are baristas and work at Starbucks.

Kattie: I'm like, what is up with you, man? Like, you work amongst these people all

Kattie: the time. Like, what is wrong?

Danny: That's crazy. I know my friend over in Toronto likes to go to Starbucks for that very reason.

Danny: Who's a cute one that's on barista duty today? So I hear you.

Danny: Yeah, that would be a deal breaker for me, 100%. I think for most people as well.

Kattie: I would hope so.

Danny: Definitely.

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Music: Music

Danny: All righty. So we're going through this. This has been some interesting questions.

Danny: Yeah, I have very interesting answers. I'm enjoying this.

Danny: Let's see what we have in store for question number four.

Danny: Hmm. Interesting one. Okay.

Danny: If you could question four, if you could disinvent one thing, what would it be?

Kattie: Patriarchy. If we could go way back in time and really look at leadership roles in communities

Kattie: and start working with the matriarchy i would love to see where the world would be right now.

Danny: And it's crazy because you look at um obviously

Danny: most of the powerful roles since history as

Danny: you mentioned since like politics began, and presidents and all that

Danny: have been men and look where

Danny: it's got us. You know, we're looking, you look at all wars have

Danny: started you look at you know um all the sort

Danny: of right-wing crap that's coming out, and obviously there are right-wing women

Danny: as well as there are men, but if you look at the the political leaders and everything

Danny: like that, it it does seem that we need... well it doesn't seem, it is we need to

Danny: give a fair shot and it's about time

Danny: we give a shot to women leaders. And unfortunately, if you look at uh some

Danny: of the women leaders that's been in place they've been forced out again because

Danny: of you know the old uh the old school tie network unfortunately.

Kattie: It, it's so wild the more you think about how

Kattie: deeply embedded male leadership is in society

Kattie: even like around the world and i've been

Kattie: learning a lot through um some actually some indigenous podcasts

Kattie: that i've been producing uh around matriarchy. And,

Kattie: and just thinking about how embedded in leadership women have been in the past

Kattie: and then sort of pushed out of that is so interesting to know that we really

Kattie: don't have any perception of what a women-led society is or would be at this point. We have no idea.

Kattie: I think we could probably look at New Zealand and their prime minister there,

Kattie: but it's because of the nature of it still being within a democratic society.

Kattie: It's still different right like we it could be a

Kattie: totally different type of political uh leadership

Kattie: style if women had been in charge from the beginning, so like we really have

Kattie: absolutely no perception and that's why sci-fi can be such a great genre, because

Kattie: people imagine these things in a variety of different ways and i think that's

Kattie: what makes you and I Star Wars fans too, so yeah,

Kattie: But it's, yeah, I think it would just be so interesting to see where things

Kattie: would be right now if women had been in charge of all these things.

Kattie: I wonder if colonialism would have even happened.

Danny: That's a good question, because I'm obviously, as you mentioned,

Danny: you work with a lot of indigenous podcasters.

Danny: And you're one of the things I always appreciate about your newsletter is you

Danny: share water advisories for indigenous communities, communities

Danny: and yeah it's again you go

Danny: back to i guess maybe because i mean

Danny: i'm thinking of the the European colonization as well, um

Danny: a lot of that was by decree of Queen

Danny: um Elizabeth i feel the first

Danny: one, is it Queen Victoria maybe. So i mean i i do feel the majority is obviously

Danny: male driven, um because you just have to look at political histories to see what

Danny: what happens there, so it would be curious to see if that would be if it would

Danny: be there and even if it was there to what degree. Would it still be there but

Danny: to a smaller degree or would it not be there whatsoever yeah?

Kattie: So interesting, so interesting.

Danny: What's funny as well, yeah it's not funny, you mentioned the

Danny: New Zealand prime minister and she got forced out if i recall because

Danny: she had the audacity to enjoy herself a nightclub one time, and there was a huge

Danny: like discourse about it and like political opponents were hammering her and

Danny: she was, she just got bombarded. And you flip that to the other side and you look

Danny: at Justin Trudeau was over in the UK and okay,

Danny: he got a bit of a flak for being at,

Danny: I don't know if it was a nightclub or a restaurant or something,

Danny: he was having some fun, relaxing, letting his hair down when he should have been at this big event.

Danny: And you're thinking, come on, even as a politician, there's a time when your

Danny: day job stops and you can just have fun.

Danny: And I feel there's a lot more criticism of women leaders and higher standards to live up to there.

Kattie: Totally. And if you think about Donald Trump, who literally owns party venues

Kattie: and is there all the time, like, what is he doing the majority of the time?

Kattie: I'm sure it's not work. I'm willing to put money on that.

Danny: I think he's probably eating burgers. I don't know if he's got a bowling alley

Danny: at the Mar-a-Lago. He probably has. He golfs a lot, obviously.

Kattie: Yeah.

Danny: Interesting, interesting. So disinvent patriarchy.

Kattie: Yeah.

Danny: Alrighty.

Kattie: Not a simple task, but we're imagining here.

Danny: Yeah, and it's interesting because I was expecting maybe disinvents or something

Danny: that had been invented from a technical point of view or whatever,

Danny: but I like that. I like that a lot.

Danny: Alrighty, so we've reached question number five. We've flown through this and

Danny: it just shows when you're having fun and a great conversation, time does fly.

Danny: So let's see how we can wrap this one up, Kattie.

Danny: Okay. Question number five. And I feel I may have an idea here,

Danny: but I'm not going to put my life on it.

Kattie: Yeah, definitely don't do that.

Danny: I'm not going to put my Toonie or Loonie on it. That's Canadian dollar and two

Danny: dollars for our non-Canadian listeners. Okay, Kattie.

Danny: Question number five. What do people do too much of today?

Kattie: Oh, man.

Kattie: These are such hard questions and there's absolutely no way to prepare for them either.

Danny: That's the beauty of randomnicity.

Kattie: What do people do too much of today. Um, I

Kattie: think people are just

Kattie: like too chronically online, I think

Kattie: that's my answer. They do too much of of trying

Kattie: to find themselves through the internet and maybe just

Kattie: yeah i don't know if that's a very clear answer.

Kattie: But it would be nice if people felt like they

Kattie: could uh turn off their phones and just

Kattie: like exist in the world again. Um, a

Kattie: podcast i was listening to yesterday, Resurrection, which i

Kattie: have to shout out it's a wonderful podcast um and

Kattie: the story kind of follows two lovers

Kattie: sending letters to each other and having phone calls uh living abroad. And i

Kattie: was like oh man i refer, i remember that, being a time when i was a kid going

Kattie: to camp and sending letters to my family and being so disconnected and living

Kattie: in the moment, and still kind of communicating when the time was right.

Kattie: And in those instances of communicating with your friends and loved ones through

Kattie: letters and phone calls that aren't as often and easily accessible,

Kattie: it makes those connections just so much more valuable.

Kattie: And this podcast, Resurrection, there's an entire, the first season includes

Kattie: an entire stack of hundreds of love letters.

Kattie: And it's only the one side of these love letters and seeing kind of how they've

Kattie: interacted and how the breaks between the times are when they were together.

Kattie: So there is no documentation.

Kattie: They were just living in the moment and we'll never know what that was like.

Kattie: But then you get the letters from

Kattie: when they're separated and you kind of understand their love story there.

Kattie: And I don't know, I think, yeah, not being so chronically online would make

Kattie: people less depressed, would make people hate themselves less,

Kattie: I think, and find more joy in the world, I would hope.

Danny: And it's interesting you mention a time of, you know, sending letters,

Danny: exchanging letters, etc.

Danny: When I was a teen, and we're going back years here, mid-80s,

Danny: my first serious girlfriend, we ended up being together for four years.

Danny: But this was way before the internet, obviously. So we would either be on the

Danny: phone, like a landline phone with a big cable, no cell phones,

Danny: no mobile phones or anything, or we'd write each other a letter once a week.

Danny: And now and again we'd put little mixtapes in

Danny: with these letters and we'd have the the track listing

Danny: on the letters, and an explanation of why that song was added. (I love this). It

Danny: was amazing and like i say this was going back, oh my grief 40 years now at least,

Danny: um and yeah now i feel like my kids now they've just started having their own

Danny: phones so they'll text. My son, my 14 year old son has got his first girlfriend.

Danny: Oh, second girlfriend, actually. Oh, yeah. A little bit of a player.

Danny: A little bit of a player on that one.

Danny: But yeah, second girlfriend, but they're texting all the time.

Danny: And I feel that's great, but I feel there's something just missing to your point of, you know,

Danny: I was watching the Glastonbury Festival. BBC kindly streamed it for the first

Danny: time and they streamed a Coldplay concert and I was watching that and at the

Danny: end, they were doing their encore and Chris Martin,

Danny: they were doing Galaxy of Stars, I think it's called, or Universe of Stars, Sky of Stars.

Danny: The song that's got stars in it. And he said before he started,

Danny: okay, this is just going to be me, the band and you guys.

Danny: So put your phones in your pockets, put them all away and we're just going to

Danny: be in the moment and sing this song together and be a 100,000 piece band. And

Danny: everybody did that, you watched it and it was amazing and I was getting goosebumps

Danny: just watching that performance because nobody was on the phone.

Kattie: Yeah I think it's interesting like the novelty of

Kattie: connection is almost gone now because it just feels so accessible, at least in

Kattie: the western world, so it's just so interesting that it almost, you almost take

Kattie: your relationships and the people that you meet for granted at this point because

Kattie: they're just so accessible and easy to reach.

Kattie: Um yeah it's i think that and also

Kattie: i've made a conscious effort too because i love taking photos and videos and

Kattie: everything and with my phone, it's been so easy to do that um and especially

Kattie: like great quality photos and videos too, like phones are so amazing. And i've

Kattie: purposely tried to take a shift, have like a little bit of a mindset shift in

Kattie: that i'm taking photos and videos for

Kattie: myself and not to post online.

Kattie: And one of my, I still like look through all the photos that I've taken over

Kattie: the number of years on like my Facebook albums and all the old photos I've taken.

Kattie: So I love looking at photos and videos.

Kattie: So now I'm just like trying to purposely take my mind out of like,

Kattie: this is something I want to post and share with the world.

Kattie: And this is just something that I want to like look at later and document for another time.

Kattie: This is something I've been thinking about out a lot lately, is just like making

Kattie: sure that I track things in my life for myself future down the line when I can

Kattie: look back at my life and yeah, not feeling the pressure to share with everybody all the time.

Danny: And I wonder if the new, so next year, I think, the new curriculum in Ontario

Danny: for schools, elementary and high school, there's a restriction on phone usage

Danny: and social media usage in class, etc.

Danny: I wonder if that will help maybe encourage more of our kids to be,

Danny: obviously, parents have got the job to encourage and educate the dangers of online.

Danny: But while encouraging, but we don't want to stop you using technology.

Danny: We just want to use it effectively, like you mentioned. So I wonder if that

Danny: curriculum might help, do you feel, for moving forward?

Kattie: I would hope so. I mean, I think if anything, like just living in the moment

Kattie: a little bit more, it will help with that.

Kattie: Help people focus on classroom content rather than things to post and looking online all the time.

Kattie: Yeah, we're just so used to absorbing so much content at the same time now.

Kattie: I feel like it might be a little bit tricky for people to get used to it again.

Kattie: But I have like a bunch of canoe trips planned this summer and cannot wait to

Kattie: just like be, be somewhere where I have absolutely no internet access.

Kattie: Don't feel the pressure of people reaching out to me and people I have to get back to.

Kattie: Don't feel the pressure of needing or wanting to post things.

Kattie: I can just live in the moment, hang out with my family and just enjoy life. Ready for that.

Danny: And canoeing is perfect for that. Getting out on the water just because it's

Danny: just, it's so like going back to basics of humanity, right?

Danny: It's just, I love, we are very fortunate. and we have a lake about 20 minutes walk from our house.

Danny: So I'll take, I've got a lot of, certainly blow up inflatable kayak.

Danny: So I'll take that up, just get it off and then disappear for a couple hours. It's gorgeous.

Kattie: That sounds perfect.

Danny: And I guess it's like, hopefully, I mean, the problem is the genie's at the

Danny: bottom when it comes to tech, but hopefully, like you say, if we can shift mindsets

Danny: and people start to appreciate, you can still use tech, but now just be in this moment for now.

Kattie: Yeah, that's the hardest part. I think, sorry, not to keep ragging on this,

Kattie: But I think people have just gotten so

Kattie: stuck into like everything is content mindset now, where I'm thinking specifically

Kattie: of this woman that I was watching a YouTube video about on TikTok, about she

Kattie: was making a video sitting in her car about how she couldn't reach her son and

Kattie: how he was supposed to be in detention at school,

Kattie: but she couldn't get a hold of anybody at the school.

Kattie: And people like why are you filming this video, go to

Kattie: the school already, like go find your

Kattie: son! It's just everything is content and people just

Kattie: have to make things for for no reason and go on TikTok make a video and ask

Kattie: people for advice, when you should have friends and family close enough to you

Kattie: to give you sound advice with the context and the nuance of who you are as a

Kattie: person. So I don't know it's just so weird that people just go online for everything now Well.

Danny: It's like the people, just to elaborate on your point there as well,

Danny: it's like people, they're filming a fight or they're filming a car crash and

Danny: the person's still in the car. You're filming it and you're thinking,

Danny: Why aren't you calling 911? Why aren't you helping?

Danny: It's like clicks and views seem to be pervasive in our society, unfortunately.

Danny: Again, hopefully, as more people realize the dangers of online and too much

Danny: connectivity, hopefully we'll start to peel some of that back for us.

Kattie: Yeah, I hope our relationships have value again sometime soon.

Danny: Unless they're homophobic, obviously. Exactly. Get rid of these ones.

Kattie: Toss them in the trash.

Danny: So Kattie as I mentioned, I really enjoyed these five question and answers. In

Danny: all 100% fairness, I always do this every week, I feel it's only fair that you

Danny: get to ask your own random question of me because I have put you through the

Danny: ringer for the last 30 minutes or so okay.

Kattie: Um what is the worst food combination you've ever tried?

Danny: Oh that is like... I mean I'm Scottish so there's probably with some really bad

Danny: food combinations anyway. Ah, food combinations.

Danny: I feel there's something to do with a breakfast I had in the US because the

Danny: US has got some interesting breakfast choices, if that's the right word.

Danny: And I feel there was something where it was a, oh, you know what it is?

Danny: It is breakfast, but you can also have it for lunch, etc.

Danny: And I was trying to think what the food was and I still don't understand.

Danny: I'm sure, oh, you know, a lot of people do like it.

Danny: What's the fascination with fried chicken on waffles and sometimes with some ice cream at the side?

Kattie: Oh with the ice cream on the.

Danny: Side the ice cream at the side

Kattie: Oh listen i think it's just like

Kattie: the sweet and savory combo sometimes, and this

Kattie: is the thing with sweet and savory, and i'll go out and say it - sometimes it hits

Kattie: and sometimes it doesn't. And i think chicken and waffles is one of those things

Kattie: where you have to have, like, it has to be perfect. The chicken can't be dry it

Kattie: has to be juicy because it has It has to kind of go along with the waffle,

Kattie: which is also often a dry food.

Kattie: So you have to cook it perfectly for a chicken and waffles to hit.

Kattie: Otherwise, it's just kind of nasty and you'd prefer to eat them separately.

Kattie: But otherwise, savory and sweet. They do go together sometimes.

Danny: Sometimes. I will have to take your word for it. I just, I always think of waffles.

Kattie: There's no scientific evidence to that.

Danny: I just think of waffles as a dedicated breakfast thing.

Danny: So maybe you have waffles and my daughter has waffles with strawberries on it,

Danny: sometimes bananas, some little bit of syrup, whatever. And that's her breakfast. She likes that.

Danny: Whereas other times, I don't know, maybe you do put ice cream on top of a warm

Danny: waffle. But to take like a greasy, I guess it depends on how greasy the chicken is as well.

Kattie: I don't think I would combine fried chicken and ice cream.

Danny: Well, no. I mean, Scottish people have some weird things like fried Mars bars.

Danny: Never had one. Have no interest in having one ever.

Danny: So I can't really speak as a cultural, you know, example.

Danny: But yeah, I just can't. Like chicken, waffle, ice cream all on the same plate. That was bizarre to see.

Kattie: Interesting answer.

Danny: Interesting question. Thank you for that. So Kattie, as I mentioned, I really enjoyed this.

Danny: For people that want to learn more about you and your role, what you do as a

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Kattie: Yeah, the best places to connect with me online are through my newsletter, of course.

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Danny: Awesome. And as always, I'll be sure to leave those links in the show notes.

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Danny: So again, Kattie, thanks for appearing on 5 Random Questions.

Kattie: My pleasure. Thank you for having me, Danny.

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