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Righto, welcome back to the Mindful
Builder, except today, unfortunately

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for the listeners, Hamish and Matt
have lost control of their own podcast.

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I'm Joel from HeidiBuild, and
for one episode only, this

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is now the Mindless Builder.

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There'll be no blower door tests, no
thermal bridges, and most importantly,

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no one saying building envelope.

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We are here to find out who Hamish and
Matt actually are, whether Passive House

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builders can still be fun at a barbecue-
… and how two blokes this nerdy somehow

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built a podcast people actually listen to.

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So strap yourself in This could
be educational, but I'll do

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my best to make sure it isn't.

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This one is for the rest of
us builders and tradesmen.

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All

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right.

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We can Brilliant.

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I love that.

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So just for reference, Hamish has got his
me- uh, Joel's meta glasses on for that.

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So, uh-

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I, I actually had the idea before, uh, I
was chat- chatting with Joel yesterday.

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I go, "Wouldn't it be cool if we all had
meta glasses on and we're all just looking

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at each other without the cameras?"

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Just be like…

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It'd be sick.

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And that would, that would be hilarious.

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It'd be an

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editing nightmare.

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It would be absolute editing nightmare.

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Righto, boys.

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We're gonna warm up with
some rapid fire questions.

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We're just gonna get things moving here.

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Who's the bigger building science nerd?

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Matt.

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Yeah, I'd probably say.

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That was convincing.

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The bigger building science nerd.

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Is that because of your
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I love data.

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I just- Yeah … numbers make sense to me.

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Fa- You- Yeah … you s-

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you, you went to university as well

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Yeah, but I didn't do, yeah

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Hamish has got a very good idea.

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Like, we're both… Like, we're talking,
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Do, do you know what, though?

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Like, I think I, I get all of it
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and I, and I can ans- I could
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but do you know where I struggle?

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I actually forget the numbers.

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He'll get into the granular

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stuff.

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The, the numbers and the granular
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technical.

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All right.

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Who would last longer on a volume
build site before having a mentee B?

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Matt.

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I, I, I would, I would
last longer, I reckon.

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I definitely- You would last longer.

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Oh, yeah.

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100%, Hamish.

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'
Cause I, I could throw a tool
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enjoy throwing frames up.

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You'd, you'd, you

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could- I'd enjoy, I'd enjoy the intensity

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… 
you could let go of all
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So- … a little bit.

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Like, just if you were framing, could
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I could get in the frame headspace
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I'd, I'd look at it- But could you

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just whack it up?

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Are we talk- So what concept we talking?

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Are we, are we-

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Volume build.

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Oh, wait, wait.

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Like, where that's not my- The opposite
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but that's… No, but there's two
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understand about volume build is like-

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He's, he's the more detailed guy

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No, I think I'm figuring it out now.

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Yeah, but like vol- volume build,
like, as I've learnt listening to SBA

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podcasts, like they have a role, yeah?

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Are we talking about what is
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This is rapid

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fire, Matt.

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Rapid fire

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questions.

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Yeah, but see, just the way he's
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last longer on a volume build site.

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No, but, but, but there's like, are we
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some people that care that their volume
builder work and the work they do, but

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some just don't give two shits and throw
the… What scale are we talking here?

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Well, I think maybe just the
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stereotypical build, which is just
nothing like what you guys do.

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That's the point of it.

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I, I reckon I could, I could throw
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couple of weeks, I'd, I'd actually
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I don't know about my body.

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Do you reckon

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you could?

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I, yeah, I used to, I used to- You
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belt on

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and- I, I… Look, I'd work it out again.

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I'd be, like, probably
a third-year apprentice.

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But like, I… If you want me to cut, if
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So when I, I was like,
that's, we work that speed.

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Do you find that

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cathartic ever, like, doing

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that, like- Yeah, I used to
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I, I don't, I don't enjoy, I
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Who'd be the first

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one to mention, mention thermal
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Probably Matt.

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No, I reckon

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it's you.

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I know, I reckon it might be you.

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Because I, I just give you the numbers.

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The, is it the sign number?

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and she maybe… I, do you know what?

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I- Like you

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said, big

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ideas … so do you know what?

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I was actually at the pub the other day
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one's a builder, one's, um, uh, he's
a, he's a camp coordinator, and I was

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actually looking at one of the aluminum
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So I'm like, "That's probably
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I was thinking

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in my brain- You know
the Carlton beer draft?

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He's like, he's like talking
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There's a dew point from inside out.

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Let me explain to you what, uh,

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condensation is.

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You just can't turn it off.

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What the dew point is, yeah.

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It's like when a chippy sees
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Oh.

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"
Oh, that's annoying." Yeah.

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Which y- that would
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That'd bug

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me, yeah.

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Who's more likely- Just like your
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barbecue by over-explaining ventilation?

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I reckon neither

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because we don't explain it.

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I actually don't think, well,
do, do- Does it happen at

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barbecues and stuff for you guys?

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Do, do people like- No … you know,
it's this- No, I know, like doctors,

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when doctors go to a, a barbecue
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this sore on my foot." You know, like…

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Do you know what?

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I, I think that I'm a lot better
these days of reading a room.

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I think if you would've g- got me
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I used to do CrossFit, right?

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Right?

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I was telling everyone about
fucking CrossFit, and then-

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I think that's the
prerequisite for CrossFit

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… 
and then I realized not many
people gave a fuck about it.

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And then I think my lessons from
that are not everyone cares about

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the type of buildings that I build.

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But I think that's the reason why we
build and, and we get such high hit rate

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of people wanting to build the way we
do, is because we don't talk about it.

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And I think we don't over…
Because the hardest part t- trying

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to get your first passive house or
better-built house is people want

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to talk too much detail, and that's
not what they, clients want to hear.

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They just want to hear fresh filter there.

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Go over their head.

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Bang.

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Done.

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Yep.

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Yeah, okay.

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We can, we, we can solve that problem.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Next job sort of thing.

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All right, so I can, I'm safe to
invite both of you to a barbecue then.

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Yeah.

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I think so.

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I, I

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don't drink, but, um-

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Is Andre going

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to be there?

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That's all right.

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Yeah, Andre's there.

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Talking conversation on the
windows and double bridging.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Andre gets upset if I have a
barbecue and he's not there, so,

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uh, now this one's got me stumped.

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Who's the bigger tight ass?

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Hmm.

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I don't know

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In which context?

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Yeah, that's a hard one,
'cause I don't know.

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With money.

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Yeah, but in what context?

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Not like physically.

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'Cause, 'cause I'll, 'cause
I'll spend money on…

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Like, I'll spend money on stuff which
other people may not spend money on.

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Yeah.

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It's

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why- But then, but then
I- Like an, like an

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excavator.

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I couldn't give two shits.

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I wouldn't give a fuck about that.

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Yeah, but the thing is, I wouldn't
go and spend money on clothes.

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'Cause I'm like, I've got,
like, I've got 20 Sanctum Homes

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T-shirts in the, in the cupboard.

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Yeah.

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Why don't I just wear that every day?

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But I…

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Yeah, I wouldn't.

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I- What about at work?

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Like, who, who do you think, with- out of
you two, who runs, like, a tighter ship

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from a financial perspective?

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I hope Ham- Hamish, and I hope
in a year that I… That is me.

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I feel like I'm, I'm not as
tight as I need to be, though.

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I, I

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reckon I'm getting better.

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No, no, no, you tighter ship.

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I don't… My- I think I'm getting
better … that's, I'm working on my

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financials and knowing them back to front.

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I think I'm getting

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better.

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Okay.

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So in

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a year, I want, I, I hope if you
ask me that question again, I

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can be like, "Yes, that's me."

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So, 'cause you're, you're quite science-y.

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Yeah.

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But it's not translated to the-
I just, it's in my head … to

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the, to the financial reporting

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side.

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It's all here.

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Yeah.

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Mm. I need to look at it here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's all my brain.

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And I, so now I'm working
on models to understand it,

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and again, gone way too far.

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Th- this is too, supposed to be
rapid fire, but I'm actually quite

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curious about, about that, 'cause
I reckon I really got that wrong.

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Like, I would've thought, like, from a
financial perspective, like, just your

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general, you know, just interacting
with you generally, I would've

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thought you'd have been like fucking

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all across it.

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I know it.

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I can have the conversation, but
not to what I think is adequate

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enough for a small business.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it's the most important
thing that I've negated for years.

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It's the most important thing that
I think both of us aren't doing.

301
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Yeah, yeah.

302
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Well… And, and w-

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Yeah, right.

304
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Yeah, and I think, yeah, like,
again, y- we can build a house.

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We know, like, my cost tracking
has been nonexistent on projects

306
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for price, for projects for years,
but I know it's been profitable.

307
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Yeah.

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Like, I've, I know you, you shouldn't
just look at a P&L, uh, at the end

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and see if you, what your net is, and
take that as that's what you made.

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Yeah.

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But, like, I need to now, like,
I'm starting to get my head around

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monthly WIPs and, and cash flow- Yeah
… forecasts and budgeting forecasts for 24.

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WIP's

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important as a builder.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think both of us have realized in
the last 12 to 18 months, um, our,

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you know, cup-half-full attitude, ADHD
kind of energy can only get you so far.

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Yeah.

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And I think a lot of builders
realize that- I mean, you probably

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realized that at some point as well.

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That it's like- And this
is where AI's helped me

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I, my, my, you know, y- we,
I would say the three of us

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operate a lot on our gut feel.

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Yeah.

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And I'd say 80% of the time it's right.

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Yeah.

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So you'd bet on that most times.

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Yeah.

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But I kinda feel like it's that 20%
that we- they're unsure of, that's

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probably the difference between me
having a really successful business- Mm

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versus just a good business.

333
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Yeah,

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okay.

335
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And that's my focus now.

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Yeah.

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And I know you're the

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same.

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Yeah.

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Well, I know this, like hopefully in the
next 24 months I really scale to where

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I wanna be, but I can't do that without
not knowing my numbers back to front.

342
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Yeah.

343
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Mm. So I made a decision early this
year that I was gonna turn myself

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into, like, a CFO of my own business.

345
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Yeah.

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Like, corporate stupid talk,
but ultimately it was to make

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sure that I knew the financials.

348
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And I've gone and learned
building science back to front.

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I've gone and learned
marketing back to front.

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So I know I can do it, I just need to put
time and effort into it and champion it.

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So that's become my focus for the next…

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That, that's it.

353
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And, and this is why I say AI is really
helpful, not creating models and stuff.

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I know you can do that, but it's
a really good learning platform to

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be like, "Hey, I don't understand
how WIP works. What is it? Can you

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talk it down in layman terms?" Yeah.

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You can explain to me WIP as

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a builder.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Can you just- And I- … start
talking in, in, in, as if you're

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talking to, like, a 15-year-old

363
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This is good, 'cause it's actually
makes you guys more normal builders.

364
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Yeah.

365
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'Cause otherwise the rest of us kinda
see you as this d- different sort

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of- No, no, we're not … level, but
that's a, that's a normal builder

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thing that you guys are doing- Yeah

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is probably not where you think you ought
to be with your understanding of numbers.

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Can we speak about it?

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So I'd, I'd say that I'm actually
pretty good with my numbers.

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Yeah.

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Um, just the way my brain works, like,
accounting has always made sense to me.

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Yeah.

374
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Um, and I've always been interested
in, in P&Ls and stuff like that.

375
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Yeah.

376
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But I could never make- my P&Ls and my
balance sheets and everything w- make

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fucking sense when I was a builder.

378
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Mm. I was like, and every time I did, I'm
like, "This is such a bad business." Yeah.

379
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So, but now as a trade,
it's so much easier.

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Yeah,

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okay.

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I find it heaps easier,
'cause WIP fucks you up.

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So, so let

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me- WIP messes with your reporting.

385
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Can I, can I actually ask you- Yeah.

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Yeah, no, absolutely it does.

387
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Yeah.

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Yeah, 'cause you might have half a
million dollars in the bank at June

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30, and then your, your account
might go, "Oh, look at all the money

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you've made." And then next week it
might all go back out the door again.

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That's why you need to account for WIP.

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Yeah.

393
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Yep.

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Absolutely.

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And then what's your, what's your
cash in advance position like for

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all this?

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And for the other builders and
tradesmen out there that don't know

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what WIP is, it's work in progress.

399
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Yeah.

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So basically, it's stuff that
you, you might have to do,

401
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like in the future, right?

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Like, um- Yeah, what's

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left over.

404
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You have, that you haven't… Yeah,
have you got too much money in the

405
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door that there's more expenses
to come out than what you've

406
00:10:01,229 --> 00:10:02,330
already, that you can charge for?

407
00:10:02,330 --> 00:10:02,360
Yeah.

408
00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,679
Yeah, and I seriously recommend
any builder, like go on

409
00:10:04,689 --> 00:10:06,770
ChatGPT, ask it about WIP.

410
00:10:06,839 --> 00:10:07,049
Yep.

411
00:10:07,060 --> 00:10:08,779
Like- There's a really- And it's not WHIP.

412
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It's work in progress.

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W-

414
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So there's a really good webinar online
from these accountants in Queensland.

415
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They do a month, they do, they do a
monthly webinar, and they did one on WIP.

416
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They've done a few of them,
and that's where I started.

417
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And then just take this, just
learn one thing at a time.

418
00:10:23,229 --> 00:10:23,479
Yeah.

419
00:10:23,479 --> 00:10:24,139
Don't overcomplicate it.

420
00:10:24,149 --> 00:10:24,480
If you…

421
00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,719
Don't spend your time on AI,
spend your time on this shit.

422
00:10:26,969 --> 00:10:28,369
You said a really
interesting thing before.

423
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Yeah.

424
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Can I just, can I just touch on it?

425
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You, you are a licensed builder and
have been- Yes … a builder, builder

426
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where you've built lots of homes, but
you just said now you're a tradesman-

427
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Yeah

428
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… 
or trades person.

429
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Yeah.

430
00:10:37,170 --> 00:10:37,519
So you're- That's

431
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my business now.

432
00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:38,664
Yeah, right, okay.

433
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I,

434
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I don't work as the
head contractor anymore.

435
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I work for other builders.

436
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Right.

437
00:10:41,889 --> 00:10:43,299
Do you need your license at all?

438
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Could you just get rid of it?

439
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Um, I, I could, but I've got, say,
Carrumburra that I'm gonna build.

440
00:10:50,310 --> 00:10:50,420
Yeah.

441
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Um, I've got, um- I can't wait

442
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to be invited over by the way.

443
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Is that your,

444
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is that your house?

445
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That'll be sick.

446
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Yeah.

447
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Yeah.

448
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Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna build it.

449
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We're not sure whether we're gonna keep
it long-term or what we're gonna do.

450
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It's kind of the financial situation's
gonna depend on what we do there.

451
00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:03,080
How

452
00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:03,980
much land do you have there?

453
00:11:04,029 --> 00:11:04,910
Just six acres.

454
00:11:04,950 --> 00:11:05,160
Yeah.

455
00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:05,420
Jesus.

456
00:11:05,420 --> 00:11:05,880
It's enough.

457
00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,589
Oh, like as in like- Car- yeah,
but, yeah, but Carr- We call

458
00:11:08,589 --> 00:11:09,650
it a farm, but it's not a farm

459
00:11:09,650 --> 00:11:11,449
… 
Ca- Carr- Carrumburra though, like is

460
00:11:11,490 --> 00:11:13,020
like- Is nothing.

461
00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:14,333
Six acres is nothing … it's,
it's, like six acres is like a-

462
00:11:14,333 --> 00:11:14,836
Would you build a passive house?

463
00:11:14,836 --> 00:11:15,490
… drop of interest.

464
00:11:16,049 --> 00:11:17,200
Would I build a passive house there?

465
00:11:17,249 --> 00:11:17,639
No.

466
00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:18,119
Why not?

467
00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:18,930
I can't afford it.

468
00:11:19,549 --> 00:11:21,940
I, I can barely afford
to build a fucking house.

469
00:11:22,899 --> 00:11:26,149
Like, I'm doing it as cheap as I can,
and honestly, man, I just don't think

470
00:11:26,289 --> 00:11:28,660
it's gonna get me the value back-
Yeah … if I do need to sell it.

471
00:11:29,009 --> 00:11:31,439
I'm not in a position- But you've got
some good quality windows … financially

472
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where I can kind of lean into that.

473
00:11:33,899 --> 00:11:36,280
I did build a house in the past
where I lent into it and stuff.

474
00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:36,630
Yeah.

475
00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,170
And, and it worked and everything,
but I'm just not there anymore.

476
00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:39,400
I'm-

477
00:11:39,409 --> 00:11:41,290
Yeah, you're starting…
You've almost started again.

478
00:11:41,420 --> 00:11:41,650
Yeah.

479
00:11:41,650 --> 00:11:41,749
Yeah.

480
00:11:41,759 --> 00:11:44,709
So we're sort of, we're just like, "Look,
if we can do this, let's just do it.

481
00:11:44,709 --> 00:11:47,579
Let's just…" And I actually
wanna be like, "Hey, can I build

482
00:11:47,909 --> 00:11:49,549
a good quality, cheap house?"

483
00:11:49,849 --> 00:11:50,229
Mm. Yeah.

484
00:11:50,469 --> 00:11:50,679
Right?

485
00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:51,229
And that's what I'm gonna try and do.

486
00:11:51,229 --> 00:11:51,479
Will you

487
00:11:51,479 --> 00:11:52,519
build it yourself though, yeah?

488
00:11:52,519 --> 00:11:52,840
Your team?

489
00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,509
Yeah, so I was gonna get a builder, but
I really tried speaking to a few guys,

490
00:11:56,509 --> 00:11:59,429
and I guess it just didn't kinda take
off, and maybe it wasn't feeling right

491
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for me- Yeah … so it didn't happen.

492
00:12:00,589 --> 00:12:00,689
Yeah.

493
00:12:00,689 --> 00:12:01,269
That's… But, but yeah, okay

494
00:12:03,132 --> 00:12:04,932
We're gonna keep going 'cause we've
got other stuff to talk about.

495
00:12:04,932 --> 00:12:05,072
Okay.

496
00:12:05,302 --> 00:12:10,291
But who has the more cooked client story,
and do you have the balls to share it?

497
00:12:11,432 --> 00:12:13,112
I've spoken about mine once.

498
00:12:13,182 --> 00:12:14,791
I've spoken about mine as well.

499
00:12:14,891 --> 00:12:15,391
Yeah?

500
00:12:15,671 --> 00:12:17,062
I've had, I've had a couple.

501
00:12:17,121 --> 00:12:17,541
You go.

502
00:12:17,552 --> 00:12:17,651
Yeah.

503
00:12:18,081 --> 00:12:20,752
I had the one, I had, I had
the one that I've spoken about.

504
00:12:20,771 --> 00:12:23,291
I just lost control of them during COVID.

505
00:12:23,462 --> 00:12:26,781
Actually, so, and it got to a point
where, like, I walked in on their job

506
00:12:26,781 --> 00:12:29,701
site on the, during COVID, and there
was a bag of coke on the ground that

507
00:12:29,731 --> 00:12:30,791
they'd been partying on the weekend.

508
00:12:30,801 --> 00:12:30,911
Empty.

509
00:12:31,021 --> 00:12:31,592
Oh.

510
00:12:31,631 --> 00:12:32,111
Empty bag, empty bag.

511
00:12:32,111 --> 00:12:32,122
Yeah.

512
00:12:32,311 --> 00:12:36,981
I also had a client that when I was,
uh, I wasn't actually my own business.

513
00:12:37,711 --> 00:12:42,041
They were a spoilt little asshole, and
when they didn't get their way, they would

514
00:12:42,071 --> 00:12:43,942
sort of damage things on the site until I-

515
00:12:43,952 --> 00:12:44,541
Jesus Christ.

516
00:12:44,592 --> 00:12:48,242
Well, see, the, in, on both of those
stories, that's… I don't know if people

517
00:12:48,242 --> 00:12:51,181
realize, like, you possess that site.

518
00:12:51,321 --> 00:12:52,071
That's your site.

519
00:12:52,101 --> 00:12:52,131
Yeah, I

520
00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:53,621
know, and that's why I lost
control- Yeah, it's like- … of it.

521
00:12:53,621 --> 00:12:55,901
But now I'm, but now
I d- I vet my clients.

522
00:12:55,901 --> 00:13:00,151
Like, whilst the client will decide they
work with us, we also pick them now too.

523
00:13:00,151 --> 00:13:01,561
So, like, I've, I've gone through that.

524
00:13:01,571 --> 00:13:01,581
Mm.

525
00:13:01,621 --> 00:13:01,881
Yeah.

526
00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:02,331
Yeah.

527
00:13:02,551 --> 00:13:02,751
Yeah.

528
00:13:02,751 --> 00:13:04,592
I, I mean, I, I talked
about mine recently.

529
00:13:04,592 --> 00:13:08,462
So we were, um, up in a project in,
in the hills, near the Dandenongs,

530
00:13:08,501 --> 00:13:14,538
and, um, it was a reno extension We,
uh, started the project, did demo.

531
00:13:14,928 --> 00:13:18,238
There was a long weekend that came,
and we came back on the Tuesday,

532
00:13:18,268 --> 00:13:21,708
and the clients had moved in on
site, set up these ramshackled

533
00:13:21,727 --> 00:13:23,637
like they moved into a bus on site.

534
00:13:23,638 --> 00:13:24,828
The kids were in this sort of-

535
00:13:24,838 --> 00:13:25,718
No

536
00:13:25,748 --> 00:13:28,348
… 
like they ended up camping on site
for the duration of the build.

537
00:13:28,358 --> 00:13:29,287
What a nightmare.

538
00:13:29,328 --> 00:13:32,947
And at the time I'm like,
I really wanted this job.

539
00:13:33,057 --> 00:13:36,838
I was probably recently licensed,
and I'm like, "Oh, this is a cool

540
00:13:36,838 --> 00:13:39,767
job. This is what I want to be
doing." Kind of just let it go.

541
00:13:40,217 --> 00:13:42,047
And as you can imagine,
it just turned to shit.

542
00:13:42,348 --> 00:13:43,528
Yeah, man.

543
00:13:43,557 --> 00:13:46,077
Oh, I swear to God, if there's
one piece of advice I give new

544
00:13:46,078 --> 00:13:48,887
builders, it's just don't be too
keen to do your first fucking job.

545
00:13:49,387 --> 00:13:50,567
They're gonna own you for 10 years.

546
00:13:50,627 --> 00:13:50,977
Yeah.

547
00:13:51,307 --> 00:13:51,567
Yeah.

548
00:13:51,567 --> 00:13:52,057
That, I

549
00:13:52,057 --> 00:13:52,407
have a godly- And they all do

550
00:13:52,407 --> 00:13:52,537
it.

551
00:13:52,567 --> 00:13:53,167
We all did it.

552
00:13:53,167 --> 00:13:53,498
I- I have a

553
00:13:53,498 --> 00:13:53,567
god.

554
00:13:53,567 --> 00:13:54,698
Oh, mate, we've… Yeah.

555
00:13:54,967 --> 00:13:58,518
Look, and, and look, I, I reckon, I,
I don't want to poopoo the clients too

556
00:13:58,518 --> 00:14:00,058
much, but I allowed that to happen.

557
00:14:00,247 --> 00:14:00,567
Yeah.

558
00:14:00,598 --> 00:14:01,457
That was m- that's all on me.

559
00:14:01,457 --> 00:14:01,587
That- But a

560
00:14:01,587 --> 00:14:02,288
lot of, a lot of-

561
00:14:02,288 --> 00:14:02,467
That is all on me

562
00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:05,538
a lot of issues that builders deal
with is what they allow to happen.

563
00:14:05,547 --> 00:14:05,567
Yeah.

564
00:14:05,567 --> 00:14:05,767
That's on me.

565
00:14:05,767 --> 00:14:06,617
You're a head contractor

566
00:14:06,618 --> 00:14:06,914
for a reason.

567
00:14:06,914 --> 00:14:07,328
That's on me.

568
00:14:07,328 --> 00:14:12,228
So I ha- I say to anyone, if you, if
there's a problem, look at yourself first.

569
00:14:12,238 --> 00:14:12,258
Yeah.

570
00:14:12,267 --> 00:14:15,027
So usually I will always blame myself
first, then I'll blame my team.

571
00:14:15,147 --> 00:14:15,387
Yeah.

572
00:14:15,387 --> 00:14:18,177
I will not, like the last resort
is the architect or the client.

573
00:14:18,187 --> 00:14:18,197
I

574
00:14:18,197 --> 00:14:18,767
wouldn't even blame your team.

575
00:14:18,767 --> 00:14:19,187
Like you s- No, no,

576
00:14:19,188 --> 00:14:20,377
no, because, like, it's a natural step.

577
00:14:20,377 --> 00:14:22,948
I'll blame us first.

578
00:14:22,948 --> 00:14:23,198
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

579
00:14:23,198 --> 00:14:23,301
And then, then the team.

580
00:14:23,301 --> 00:14:23,396
It's like look internally.

581
00:14:23,396 --> 00:14:23,727
Like us, yeah, internally.

582
00:14:23,727 --> 00:14:23,898
Yeah, yeah.

583
00:14:23,978 --> 00:14:26,448
And then I will then, it's then if-

584
00:14:26,448 --> 00:14:28,547
I agree with that because it's
like, and look, only worry about

585
00:14:28,548 --> 00:14:29,428
what you can control, right?

586
00:14:29,428 --> 00:14:30,088
Yeah, 100%.

587
00:14:30,088 --> 00:14:30,108
So,

588
00:14:30,717 --> 00:14:36,908
um, so Matt, in your bio, you
say you're, you're like not

589
00:14:36,917 --> 00:14:38,127
the best chippy on the tools.

590
00:14:38,277 --> 00:14:40,167
Whose idea was it to publish that?

591
00:14:40,317 --> 00:14:44,347
Because it's, I mean, it's obviously
super honest, but it's also, I

592
00:14:44,347 --> 00:14:45,877
feel like it's terrible marketing.

593
00:14:46,188 --> 00:14:46,908
But I'm not, not- But you

594
00:14:46,908 --> 00:14:47,061
own it.

595
00:14:47,061 --> 00:14:47,291
Yeah, but you're

596
00:14:47,291 --> 00:14:48,898
not getting me on the tools.

597
00:14:49,048 --> 00:14:49,498
Yeah.

598
00:14:49,688 --> 00:14:52,187
Like, do you work on the tools
on your s- jobs a lot of time?

599
00:14:52,597 --> 00:14:53,437
Not much anymore.

600
00:14:53,438 --> 00:14:53,658
Yeah.

601
00:14:53,787 --> 00:14:55,467
But that's kind of how I pitch myself.

602
00:14:55,478 --> 00:14:56,827
That's the- Like, I, I enjoy it.

603
00:14:56,897 --> 00:15:00,488
So I put, like, put people good
in their positions around you.

604
00:15:00,497 --> 00:15:00,517
Yeah.

605
00:15:00,618 --> 00:15:05,988
So I put amazing carpenters, uh, that
are better at what they do than I do, so.

606
00:15:05,988 --> 00:15:08,877
So you don't identify as a
carpenter so much anymore, but

607
00:15:08,877 --> 00:15:10,837
I feel like you do- I, I was
never passionate about carpentry.

608
00:15:10,847 --> 00:15:10,867
Yeah.

609
00:15:10,877 --> 00:15:13,007
I, it was a means of getting to
where I wanted to be a builder.

610
00:15:13,087 --> 00:15:13,707
Means to an end.

611
00:15:13,707 --> 00:15:14,028
Yeah, yeah.

612
00:15:14,057 --> 00:15:14,377
Yeah.

613
00:15:14,647 --> 00:15:14,867
Which is

614
00:15:14,877 --> 00:15:15,718
not, not- I love it.

615
00:15:15,718 --> 00:15:15,894
I love it.

616
00:15:15,894 --> 00:15:15,953
Yeah.

617
00:15:15,953 --> 00:15:16,070
But I

618
00:15:16,070 --> 00:15:16,188
love trades.

619
00:15:16,188 --> 00:15:16,857
I love trades, mate.

620
00:15:16,868 --> 00:15:18,287
So I have passion about trades.

621
00:15:18,287 --> 00:15:18,447
Okay.

622
00:15:18,447 --> 00:15:20,117
My dad's an electrician,
brother's a plumber.

623
00:15:20,237 --> 00:15:20,497
Yeah.

624
00:15:20,497 --> 00:15:23,088
Like, so fair- like
trades run in the family.

625
00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:27,898
So I'm, I'm more as a trades passionate
about, as we spoke about earlier

626
00:15:27,898 --> 00:15:33,727
today, lifting that, that floor up
to start championing trades and ce-

627
00:15:33,727 --> 00:15:36,137
like we celebrate- Yeah … when kids
go to university and finish a degree.

628
00:15:36,237 --> 00:15:37,998
Let's fini- let's celebrate when
they finish an apprenticeship.

629
00:15:38,008 --> 00:15:38,788
Yeah, agreed.

630
00:15:39,127 --> 00:15:39,607
Agreed.

631
00:15:39,618 --> 00:15:39,638
Um-

632
00:15:40,478 --> 00:15:41,647
Why do you think it's bad marketing?

633
00:15:44,452 --> 00:15:46,232
Oh, I don't know, like for, 'cause
it's just I identify as a carpenter,

634
00:15:46,232 --> 00:15:50,422
and I think, you know, as a builder,
like the ideal builder is like

635
00:15:50,422 --> 00:15:52,202
the carpenter builder, you know?

636
00:15:52,352 --> 00:15:52,372
Yeah.

637
00:15:52,392 --> 00:15:54,982
And it's, uh, not that it's
like bad marketing, but it's

638
00:15:54,982 --> 00:15:56,331
like you're a carpenter.

639
00:15:56,892 --> 00:16:01,162
You've got that trade background
and- But you, you kinda own the

640
00:16:01,162 --> 00:16:01,232
fact that- I, I under- I under-

641
00:16:01,232 --> 00:16:02,541
y- like he always says,
like, "I'm terrible.

642
00:16:02,542 --> 00:16:02,932
I was a terrible

643
00:16:02,932 --> 00:16:03,652
carpenter" I understand it.

644
00:16:03,652 --> 00:16:05,762
I could sit and talk to
anyone, tell you how to do it.

645
00:16:05,782 --> 00:16:06,982
I just can't do it myself.

646
00:16:07,022 --> 00:16:08,132
Yeah, that's fair.

647
00:16:09,041 --> 00:16:09,421
All right.

648
00:16:09,561 --> 00:16:13,031
Um, so did you guys… We're gonna
talk a little bit about your origins.

649
00:16:13,121 --> 00:16:13,261
All right?

650
00:16:13,272 --> 00:16:13,512
Yeah.

651
00:16:14,092 --> 00:16:16,611
Did you guys meet on a webinar,
or was it one of those sustainable

652
00:16:16,612 --> 00:16:18,372
builder arranged marriage deals?

653
00:16:18,491 --> 00:16:18,841
No.

654
00:16:18,841 --> 00:16:18,961
No.

655
00:16:18,961 --> 00:16:21,001
We… Ma- I think Matt slid into my DMs.

656
00:16:21,542 --> 00:16:22,481
Slid into the DMs.

657
00:16:24,801 --> 00:16:24,881
Yeah.

658
00:16:24,891 --> 00:16:24,955
Slid in.

659
00:16:24,955 --> 00:16:24,979
Yeah.

660
00:16:24,979 --> 00:16:25,098
Mr. Slide Over One Night.

661
00:16:25,098 --> 00:16:25,822
It was during, it was during COVID.

662
00:16:26,051 --> 00:16:26,211
Yeah.

663
00:16:26,211 --> 00:16:26,501
Yeah.

664
00:16:26,502 --> 00:16:26,642
Right.

665
00:16:26,642 --> 00:16:27,031
We were just chatting.

666
00:16:27,031 --> 00:16:27,151
Yeah.

667
00:16:27,171 --> 00:16:27,361
Was

668
00:16:27,362 --> 00:16:27,572
it?

669
00:16:27,632 --> 00:16:30,052
I think I had… I got my first
Passive House and you were doing one.

670
00:16:30,052 --> 00:16:30,089
Yeah.

671
00:16:30,089 --> 00:16:32,041
I just asked you a few
questions- Yeah … and just

672
00:16:32,592 --> 00:16:33,271
did this.

673
00:16:33,292 --> 00:16:33,422
Yeah.

674
00:16:33,422 --> 00:16:34,972
So you were the first in Passive House?

675
00:16:35,432 --> 00:16:37,962
Oh, no, I think we both got our- Like-
I think I got the first one on site.

676
00:16:37,971 --> 00:16:38,411
Yeah, I

677
00:16:38,561 --> 00:16:41,101
think you were like m- maybe, yeah,
a month ahead, but you just got-

678
00:16:41,101 --> 00:16:44,391
Yeah … your f- you'd just got your
windows, and I just… Uh, you'd just

679
00:16:44,391 --> 00:16:45,492
installed your windows, I remember.

680
00:16:45,502 --> 00:16:45,522
Yeah.

681
00:16:45,522 --> 00:16:46,672
And I'd got my windows.

682
00:16:46,672 --> 00:16:48,422
I'm like, "How did you
do this detail?" Yeah.

683
00:16:48,422 --> 00:16:48,692
Yeah.

684
00:16:48,751 --> 00:16:53,411
And I think, um, I think we both got our
Passive House trades person qua- like

685
00:16:53,411 --> 00:16:55,791
certificate- Yeah, yeah … whatever
that fucking means- Yeah … uh, at

686
00:16:55,791 --> 00:16:58,341
a very similar time, like '17 or '18.

687
00:16:58,382 --> 00:16:58,942
Okay.

688
00:16:59,071 --> 00:17:03,502
But, um, I do remember talking to
you at one point saying, "I'm still

689
00:17:03,502 --> 00:17:05,631
trying to decide whether or not
I wanna pivot my whole business"

690
00:17:05,632 --> 00:17:06,841
and I think at the time- Yeah

691
00:17:06,841 --> 00:17:08,561
I'm like, "No, this is what I wanna do."

692
00:17:08,761 --> 00:17:09,041
Mm.

693
00:17:09,051 --> 00:17:09,071
Yeah.

694
00:17:09,081 --> 00:17:11,601
So then I think we, well, I'm
talking within months of each other.

695
00:17:11,632 --> 00:17:11,812
Yeah.

696
00:17:11,812 --> 00:17:12,092
Yeah.

697
00:17:12,271 --> 00:17:15,831
So you, you guys… And that's
probably how it all started for

698
00:17:15,831 --> 00:17:18,431
you, you both, 'cause you're on
the Passive House side of things.

699
00:17:18,761 --> 00:17:19,312
I think so.

700
00:17:19,382 --> 00:17:23,512
I think then what you also respect is
when we did that course, social media

701
00:17:23,512 --> 00:17:26,372
w- or anything, there was no other
information on building better whatsoever.

702
00:17:26,382 --> 00:17:26,402
Yeah.

703
00:17:26,402 --> 00:17:29,252
So that was the only thing that
you could learn to learn better.

704
00:17:29,281 --> 00:17:32,642
So when you do the course and you spend
seven days, yeah, you drink the Kool-Aid

705
00:17:32,642 --> 00:17:35,451
because you're like, "Well, there's
another way of doing something." Mm. Now,

706
00:17:35,452 --> 00:17:39,461
social media, you can log on and look up
subfloor and find a better way of doing it

707
00:17:39,481 --> 00:17:40,031
instantly.

708
00:17:40,041 --> 00:17:42,921
But I think, I think the other
thing that, that probably brought us

709
00:17:42,921 --> 00:17:46,181
together is that we at the same time,
independent of each other, just really

710
00:17:46,181 --> 00:17:47,381
started sharing what we're doing.

711
00:17:47,391 --> 00:17:47,631
Yeah.

712
00:17:47,632 --> 00:17:47,982
Yeah,

713
00:17:47,982 --> 00:17:48,061
okay.

714
00:17:48,121 --> 00:17:51,081
And, and we just started flogging on
social media that this is what we were

715
00:17:51,081 --> 00:17:53,321
doing, and then I think it's all just…

716
00:17:53,721 --> 00:17:56,711
That's kinda like how it sort
of started with me and Hoppo

717
00:17:56,711 --> 00:17:56,942
being mates and stuff- Yeah.

718
00:17:56,942 --> 00:17:58,541
Yeah … is like that social media thing.

719
00:17:58,542 --> 00:17:58,632
Yeah.

720
00:17:58,632 --> 00:18:00,131
You sorta end up
connecting on there, right?

721
00:18:00,131 --> 00:18:00,234
You

722
00:18:00,234 --> 00:18:00,336
share.

723
00:18:00,336 --> 00:18:03,261
Like we, we don't h- like I, I don't
know, I've actually ironically probably

724
00:18:03,261 --> 00:18:07,011
become, I probably started to gatekeep
a little bit more recently, not from,

725
00:18:07,261 --> 00:18:11,211
say, the group that we hang out with,
but more from a wider s- wider thing

726
00:18:11,212 --> 00:18:14,712
because, like, I don't know, sometimes
I feel that people just want…

727
00:18:15,121 --> 00:18:19,132
Like, I've got some guy in my in-
like inbox right now who's every wants

728
00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:20,722
every second detail detailed for him.

729
00:18:20,722 --> 00:18:22,646
I'm like, "Dude- Go do your job

730
00:18:22,716 --> 00:18:23,226
Yeah,

731
00:18:23,226 --> 00:18:24,819
yeah, yeah Like, I'm not… I don't work

732
00:18:24,819 --> 00:18:24,857
for you.

733
00:18:24,857 --> 00:18:24,876
Yeah.

734
00:18:24,876 --> 00:18:25,346
Yeah.

735
00:18:25,356 --> 00:18:29,765
I, I'll, I won't, I won't go about,
like, sketching up a design or something.

736
00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:29,795
No.

737
00:18:29,795 --> 00:18:31,366
I'll jump on and, and leave a voice note.

738
00:18:31,366 --> 00:18:31,515
That's it.

739
00:18:31,515 --> 00:18:32,176
Yeah, yeah.

740
00:18:32,226 --> 00:18:32,426
Yeah.

741
00:18:32,426 --> 00:18:32,856
I'm, I'm the same.

742
00:18:32,956 --> 00:18:34,476
I'm giving you the, I've
given you the answers.

743
00:18:34,495 --> 00:18:37,846
Or my pet hate, and I fucking hate
this, is when I tell them how to do

744
00:18:37,846 --> 00:18:40,625
something, "Here's the video," then
they go do it completely different,

745
00:18:40,636 --> 00:18:42,765
and then go, "Oh, well, how do I fix
it now?" I'm like, "I literally gave

746
00:18:42,765 --> 00:18:44,035
you- No … I gave you the answer.

747
00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:44,845
I actually- You're an asshole.

748
00:18:44,845 --> 00:18:47,365
I actually- Yeah … gave you the
answer- Yeah … on what you're after.

749
00:18:47,366 --> 00:18:47,730
Yeah, yeah.

750
00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:48,985
But you tried to be too smart.

751
00:18:49,285 --> 00:18:49,676
Yeah.

752
00:18:49,956 --> 00:18:53,476
So but it's, it's really because you
guys have been, you were sharing things

753
00:18:53,476 --> 00:18:56,235
on social media, so you kind of… I
feel like you guys are championing,

754
00:18:56,305 --> 00:18:58,386
championing the movement a bit.

755
00:18:58,495 --> 00:19:00,705
Yeah, I f- I, I feel like we
were probably some of the f- I

756
00:19:00,705 --> 00:19:01,906
mean, Devon who's, who's here.

757
00:19:02,025 --> 00:19:02,205
Yeah.

758
00:19:02,205 --> 00:19:02,535
Yeah.

759
00:19:02,576 --> 00:19:03,555
Uh, he-

760
00:19:04,105 --> 00:19:04,775
Before us

761
00:19:04,785 --> 00:19:06,385
… 
well before us, like years before us.

762
00:19:06,385 --> 00:19:06,745
Yeah.

763
00:19:06,745 --> 00:19:07,665
Same with Justin O'Connor.

764
00:19:07,725 --> 00:19:09,755
But it, but it sort of takes
the, the guys doing it.

765
00:19:09,765 --> 00:19:11,535
Like these guys- Yeah … are
selling products and- Yeah.

766
00:19:11,826 --> 00:19:13,575
But no, do- You know, obviously they're,
they're science- We were just loud and

767
00:19:14,635 --> 00:19:15,445
a bit louder Yeah, we were just,
we were just louder I think.

768
00:19:15,445 --> 00:19:15,615
Yeah.

769
00:19:15,615 --> 00:19:15,935
We were just louder.

770
00:19:16,146 --> 00:19:16,305
Yeah.

771
00:19:16,305 --> 00:19:16,686
Yeah.

772
00:19:16,885 --> 00:19:17,045
Yeah.

773
00:19:17,045 --> 00:19:20,655
I think though, like, you know, and I
think, I guess with the DeWalt thing,

774
00:19:21,495 --> 00:19:24,995
if you're selling a product, people
i- immediately go, "Oh, yeah, but

775
00:19:25,025 --> 00:19:29,175
you, that's your motive." Whereas for
you guys that's, like, not a motive.

776
00:19:29,205 --> 00:19:29,415
No.

777
00:19:29,506 --> 00:19:31,295
Like, you know, it's like
you're just being yourselves.

778
00:19:31,296 --> 00:19:31,546
Yeah.

779
00:19:31,675 --> 00:19:33,795
You really care about, you
know, passive house building.

780
00:19:33,835 --> 00:19:33,855
Yeah.

781
00:19:33,855 --> 00:19:36,985
But have you ever thought like,
"Fuck, why can't I just do normal

782
00:19:37,035 --> 00:19:39,846
builds?" Or have you ever thought
about going and doing a normal build?

783
00:19:39,985 --> 00:19:41,885
Does it get- I'd make- I'm
sure it gets dropped on you

784
00:19:41,896 --> 00:19:43,315
… 
I'd make more money I reckon.

785
00:19:43,335 --> 00:19:43,735
Yeah.

786
00:19:43,855 --> 00:19:44,575
It'd be easier.

787
00:19:44,625 --> 00:19:48,085
I just think that I know, like
if I think about the risk profile

788
00:19:48,116 --> 00:19:51,495
of how we did things in the past
and how we're doing things now,

789
00:19:51,535 --> 00:19:53,055
it just, then it's not worth it.

790
00:19:53,125 --> 00:19:53,365
Yeah.

791
00:19:53,365 --> 00:19:53,470
I

792
00:19:53,470 --> 00:19:56,145
think- And, and purely from a, from
a building fabric point of view.

793
00:19:56,436 --> 00:20:00,325
Forget about ventilation, forget about
your, your windows, forget about your

794
00:20:00,325 --> 00:20:01,735
thermal bridges, forget about that shit.

795
00:20:02,245 --> 00:20:07,466
Wrapping your pr- And I'm not giving them
a plug, but maybe I am the cheapest, um,

796
00:20:07,466 --> 00:20:08,706
insurance policy that you've got I reckon

797
00:20:08,706 --> 00:20:10,545
ventilation's not too
far off considering the

798
00:20:12,136 --> 00:20:13,053
code changes as well Well, okay,
but, but, but, but okay, I, I'm, I'm

799
00:20:13,053 --> 00:20:13,785
just trying to not- Uh, in general

800
00:20:13,785 --> 00:20:17,025
I'm just trying not to kinda h- you know,
sit on the whole passive house thing.

801
00:20:17,216 --> 00:20:17,416
Mm.

802
00:20:17,426 --> 00:20:18,456
But for me it's, it's-

803
00:20:18,456 --> 00:20:19,226
Reliability, like-

804
00:20:19,226 --> 00:20:20,045
… 
reliability, yeah.

805
00:20:20,295 --> 00:20:20,335
That's

806
00:20:20,735 --> 00:20:21,885
why I put it to it Yeah, 'cause
that's probably a big thing

807
00:20:21,886 --> 00:20:23,045
is, like, the 10-year warranty.

808
00:20:23,045 --> 00:20:26,596
Like, people need to understand, as
builders all, we're always thinking

809
00:20:26,596 --> 00:20:30,305
about, "Fuck, that house I just built,
oh, it's fucking pissing down," which

810
00:20:30,396 --> 00:20:33,856
is one of these rooves that, you know,
that we did on a two-degree pitch.

811
00:20:33,896 --> 00:20:34,835
Like, you know?

812
00:20:34,835 --> 00:20:37,085
Mate, I've got- But you guys don't have
that thing because everything's sealed.

813
00:20:37,085 --> 00:20:39,835
Yeah … I've got four projects,
past projects at the moment that

814
00:20:39,835 --> 00:20:43,345
I'm, I'm working through where
there's some kind of water something.

815
00:20:43,535 --> 00:20:43,735
Mm.

816
00:20:43,745 --> 00:20:46,855
And they're well before we started
doing the passive house stuff.

817
00:20:46,935 --> 00:20:47,195
Yeah.

818
00:20:47,196 --> 00:20:49,725
I don't know, if we did the same
thing now it wouldn't be an issue.

819
00:20:49,745 --> 00:20:50,765
Wouldn't have, have the problem.

820
00:20:50,765 --> 00:20:53,145
And now we're working through
it and there's, you know, some

821
00:20:53,635 --> 00:20:56,715
that was client's fault, some was
our fault, some trade's faults.

822
00:20:56,935 --> 00:20:58,415
We're just getting in there
and getting it sorted.

823
00:20:58,485 --> 00:20:58,916
Yeah.

824
00:20:59,275 --> 00:21:02,145
Yeah, I think, I think the thing is,
like, what w- what is normal building?

825
00:21:02,155 --> 00:21:05,455
But ultimately, like, I sort out
passive house originally as, as

826
00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:07,515
a de-risking profile for- Yeah

827
00:21:07,525 --> 00:21:09,926
if I want to be a builder and I'm
signing off on something for 10 years,

828
00:21:10,415 --> 00:21:13,515
I don't want to be coming back all
the time at a minimum standard because

829
00:21:13,686 --> 00:21:15,010
ultimately I'm the one that pays for it.

830
00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:15,134
Yeah.

831
00:21:15,134 --> 00:21:15,258
Yeah.

832
00:21:15,258 --> 00:21:16,745
I couldn't, I couldn't, I
couldn't build a code build.

833
00:21:16,775 --> 00:21:19,185
Yeah, I c- like, yeah, I d- I, I
couldn't do that, no I know, I know

834
00:21:19,966 --> 00:21:22,185
too much about the risks associated with

835
00:21:22,186 --> 00:21:24,435
it as a builder And when you know too
much in a legal sense, if anything was to

836
00:21:24,436 --> 00:21:25,675
happen they'd be like, "You know better."

837
00:21:25,716 --> 00:21:26,616
Yeah, you know better.

838
00:21:26,635 --> 00:21:28,508
That's a big thing as a
builder, like, you know better.

839
00:21:28,508 --> 00:21:28,815
You know better.

840
00:21:28,815 --> 00:21:29,015
Yeah.

841
00:21:29,015 --> 00:21:31,815
You know, but even if you, even
if it was to code, you knew

842
00:21:31,815 --> 00:21:32,996
better and you didn't do it.

843
00:21:33,205 --> 00:21:33,555
Yeah.

844
00:21:33,555 --> 00:21:33,705
Okay.

845
00:21:33,705 --> 00:21:33,765
So

846
00:21:33,765 --> 00:21:34,916
we got no turning back now.

847
00:21:35,025 --> 00:21:35,265
Yeah.

848
00:21:35,285 --> 00:21:37,585
What was it like apprenti-
apprenticeship-wise?

849
00:21:37,585 --> 00:21:40,285
Like, what were you exposed to as
apprentices or- Quite the opposite.

850
00:21:40,285 --> 00:21:40,495
Yeah.

851
00:21:40,495 --> 00:21:43,257
Yeah Renovations Like, yeah

852
00:21:43,628 --> 00:21:46,058
But like just- Code … a small
builder, you did an apprenticeship with?

853
00:21:46,058 --> 00:21:47,747
Yeah, yeah, just minimum code stuff.

854
00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:48,028
Yeah.

855
00:21:48,028 --> 00:21:49,068
But yeah, but like good jobs, but- It's

856
00:21:49,068 --> 00:21:50,058
still, still good.

857
00:21:50,058 --> 00:21:50,178
Like-

858
00:21:50,178 --> 00:21:52,178
Yeah, yeah, yeah … the, like-
No, like, oh, they were awesome.

859
00:21:52,227 --> 00:21:53,138
They do great work.

860
00:21:53,368 --> 00:21:53,398
Yeah.

861
00:21:53,398 --> 00:21:56,197
I've got a, I've got a… I, I
actually am not a qualified carpenter.

862
00:21:56,298 --> 00:22:00,477
I just did… I, I was, uh, just jumped
into it, and carpentry made sense to me.

863
00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:00,507
Yeah.

864
00:22:00,558 --> 00:22:02,477
So I'd, I'd picked it up really easily.

865
00:22:02,947 --> 00:22:06,388
But my… I spent a lot of
time doing decks and pergolas.

866
00:22:06,457 --> 00:22:06,897
Oh, yeah.

867
00:22:07,128 --> 00:22:09,157
But I pitched a lot of roofs doing that.

868
00:22:09,297 --> 00:22:09,607
Yeah, right.

869
00:22:09,757 --> 00:22:09,927
Yeah.

870
00:22:10,027 --> 00:22:13,048
So I could, I could still jump in now and
pitch a roof, no- Yeah … no problem.

871
00:22:13,097 --> 00:22:13,377
Yeah.

872
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:18,457
Did a lot of renos extensions, and then I
did about two years doing, like, factory

873
00:22:18,457 --> 00:22:20,198
fit outs and a bit of commercial stuff.

874
00:22:20,537 --> 00:22:25,947
So I've got this broad spectrum of skills
that I can- Yeah … draw on, which has

875
00:22:25,947 --> 00:22:27,288
allowed me to be able to problem solve.

876
00:22:27,397 --> 00:22:27,657
Yeah.

877
00:22:28,397 --> 00:22:29,067
Yeah, okay.

878
00:22:29,588 --> 00:22:35,287
Like, it's, it's, I think… So there was
no real, like, passive house thing- No

879
00:22:35,368 --> 00:22:36,677
like, back when you were apprentices and

880
00:22:36,677 --> 00:22:36,747
stuff?

881
00:22:36,747 --> 00:22:39,177
I, I looked, I looked as well
future, like, what is actually

882
00:22:39,177 --> 00:22:40,177
into housing gonna look like?

883
00:22:40,227 --> 00:22:42,967
People are gonna want sustainability,
whatever that meant at the time.

884
00:22:43,017 --> 00:22:43,317
Yeah.

885
00:22:43,317 --> 00:22:44,407
And this just fit the bill.

886
00:22:44,417 --> 00:22:44,437
Yeah.

887
00:22:44,457 --> 00:22:48,388
So I was also looking future,
securing my, my business.

888
00:22:48,388 --> 00:22:50,087
I wasn't anywhere near
as calculated as that.

889
00:22:50,138 --> 00:22:53,267
I'm like, "I'm a sustainable
builder," and it didn't mean anything.

890
00:22:53,337 --> 00:22:54,408
I had no context around it.

891
00:22:54,408 --> 00:22:54,587
Yeah.

892
00:22:54,748 --> 00:22:59,398
I'm like… And then when I found Passive
House, it actually allowed me to actually

893
00:22:59,428 --> 00:23:03,927
put it against something because- Yeah
… it was so- Measurable … prescriptive.

894
00:23:04,027 --> 00:23:04,297
Yeah.

895
00:23:04,608 --> 00:23:06,348
Yeah And I'm like, okay, well,
this kind of fits the narrative

896
00:23:06,348 --> 00:23:09,257
that I'm giving about, you know,
sustainability- Sustainability

897
00:23:09,277 --> 00:23:11,797
energy consumption,
health, and all that stuff.

898
00:23:12,027 --> 00:23:13,628
It was just a nice way
to put a bow around it.

899
00:23:13,678 --> 00:23:13,978
Yeah.

900
00:23:14,047 --> 00:23:16,997
Yeah, I knew this was gonna happen,
but I, like, we're gonna have

901
00:23:16,998 --> 00:23:18,048
to go off this because- Yeah.

902
00:23:18,147 --> 00:23:23,208
Okay … what you guys are talking about
as, like, sustainab- sustainability,

903
00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:26,797
Passive House, do you find, like,
people are really interested in

904
00:23:26,797 --> 00:23:29,778
it and they're, like, drinking the
Kool-Aid until they see the quote?

905
00:23:30,447 --> 00:23:31,288
I just don't talk about it.

906
00:23:31,297 --> 00:23:34,777
So, so there's a number of miscon-
like, so let's, let's start here

907
00:23:34,777 --> 00:23:37,807
with the cost conversation, because
what are you comparing it to?

908
00:23:37,827 --> 00:23:40,257
Are you comparing it to the
architectural jobs that you used to do?

909
00:23:40,417 --> 00:23:40,767
Yeah.

910
00:23:40,818 --> 00:23:43,757
Because I- Yes … would argue that
they're gonna be very, very similar.

911
00:23:43,917 --> 00:23:44,137
Yeah.

912
00:23:44,187 --> 00:23:47,137
If you're gonna compare it to a volume
builder code builder house, well,

913
00:23:47,138 --> 00:23:48,447
we're not comparing apples and apples.

914
00:23:48,527 --> 00:23:48,797
Yeah.

915
00:23:48,928 --> 00:23:49,098
So-

916
00:23:49,098 --> 00:23:50,357
Well, let's, let's talk actual numbers.

917
00:23:50,357 --> 00:23:54,177
I did, the last architectural house
I did was about 56 grand for a square

918
00:23:55,096 --> 00:23:56,996
$56,000 per square

919
00:23:57,026 --> 00:23:58,626
What's that convert to square meterage?

920
00:23:58,776 --> 00:24:00,586
Uh, that's divide by nine Five, five

921
00:24:00,586 --> 00:24:01,286
odd grand.

922
00:24:01,746 --> 00:24:03,816
That's pretty low at the moment.

923
00:24:03,836 --> 00:24:04,936
Look, well, that actually, that

924
00:24:05,116 --> 00:24:05,276
was

925
00:24:05,276 --> 00:24:05,516
years ago.

926
00:24:07,186 --> 00:24:07,996
Oh, this is, this going per,
per, per, per old school square.

927
00:24:07,996 --> 00:24:08,776
Yeah, old school square.

928
00:24:08,776 --> 00:24:09,716
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

929
00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:09,746
Okay.

930
00:24:09,756 --> 00:24:09,996
Sorry.

931
00:24:10,015 --> 00:24:11,462
So five, five- Is it

932
00:24:11,462 --> 00:24:11,826
nine?

933
00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:11,876
Is it

934
00:24:12,046 --> 00:24:12,076
nine?

935
00:24:12,076 --> 00:24:12,656
So it's a five- Five and a
bit … five and a bit grand.

936
00:24:12,695 --> 00:24:13,856
Yeah, but that was a long time ago.

937
00:24:13,856 --> 00:24:14,575
That was a long time ago.

938
00:24:14,576 --> 00:24:17,475
Okay, so how- It's probably equivalent
of about seven and a half or eight Yeah.

939
00:24:17,475 --> 00:24:17,965
Oh, yes.

940
00:24:18,105 --> 00:24:19,315
Which is what we would be building

941
00:24:19,336 --> 00:24:19,606
almost now.

942
00:24:19,635 --> 00:24:19,945
Yeah.

943
00:24:20,016 --> 00:24:20,236
Yeah.

944
00:24:20,236 --> 00:24:22,945
Yeah, so I, I know our homes,
uh, we could, we could- Which is,

945
00:24:23,375 --> 00:24:24,846
I still think is crazy, was crazy

946
00:24:25,045 --> 00:24:27,185
because the times sucked We could, we
could scratch it through, I reckon, at

947
00:24:27,185 --> 00:24:30,636
six and a half now, but I reckon it's
more like seven, seven and a half.

948
00:24:30,825 --> 00:24:31,766
But that's a new build.

949
00:24:31,766 --> 00:24:33,526
Like a renovation extension is gonna be-

950
00:24:33,536 --> 00:24:34,566
More expensive … a lot more expensive,

951
00:24:34,566 --> 00:24:34,646
right?

952
00:24:34,696 --> 00:24:36,865
Well, and again, I guess it depends.

953
00:24:37,106 --> 00:24:37,406
Yeah.

954
00:24:37,406 --> 00:24:37,665
Like it depends.

955
00:24:37,665 --> 00:24:38,136
Like the site.

956
00:24:38,225 --> 00:24:41,225
I think, I think the cost one's
an interesting one because I

957
00:24:41,446 --> 00:24:43,166
think build- I just think it's
just fucking expensive to build

958
00:24:43,166 --> 00:24:45,345
buildings is just, yeah, let's just-
It's expensive to build It is now I,

959
00:24:45,345 --> 00:24:50,431
I just think that we, we see so many
people wanting an old- People won't

960
00:24:50,431 --> 00:24:54,131
like this comment but, "Oh, we've got
to help those who can't afford to build

961
00:24:54,262 --> 00:24:57,692
blah blah blah blah blah." Ultimately,
aren't we all trying to like… These

962
00:24:57,692 --> 00:25:01,161
are architects, builders, consultants,
we're all saying that, but we go

963
00:25:01,192 --> 00:25:04,192
still build a million to $2 million
house because they can afford it.

964
00:25:04,192 --> 00:25:07,141
Like, no one's spending their time
helping the people that can't afford

965
00:25:07,141 --> 00:25:08,231
it because they don't pay the bills.

966
00:25:08,242 --> 00:25:10,461
Mm. And building is now
expensive, like period.

967
00:25:10,462 --> 00:25:13,751
Like there's no… We live in an economy
in a world right now where there's a

968
00:25:13,751 --> 00:25:15,861
war and shit is expensive everywhere.

969
00:25:15,871 --> 00:25:18,961
You go to supermarket, you go
to fill up the car, you want to

970
00:25:18,962 --> 00:25:20,171
buy anything, it's expensive.

971
00:25:20,271 --> 00:25:20,701
Yeah.

972
00:25:21,331 --> 00:25:23,701
Like we, we… It's just not building.

973
00:25:24,331 --> 00:25:24,772
Yeah.

974
00:25:25,121 --> 00:25:26,052
Like what does a car cost you?

975
00:25:26,052 --> 00:25:29,051
You know cars back to front compared
to what they used to be 10 years ago.

976
00:25:29,352 --> 00:25:30,221
Shit loads.

977
00:25:30,222 --> 00:25:30,641
Yeah, exactly.

978
00:25:30,951 --> 00:25:31,031
Yeah, yeah.

979
00:25:31,031 --> 00:25:33,141
So we don't complain about a car-
They've gone through the roof, man … or

980
00:25:33,141 --> 00:25:36,111
a fucking pen, like 10 bucks for a
pen, like that used to be 50 cents.

981
00:25:36,211 --> 00:25:36,361
Yeah.

982
00:25:36,361 --> 00:25:36,521
We don't complain about- I've got a

983
00:25:36,521 --> 00:25:38,826
Hilux for sale by the way, if

984
00:25:38,826 --> 00:25:39,301
you want to- No idea … look
after your team, yeah.

985
00:25:39,301 --> 00:25:39,539
Don't, don't, don't do this

986
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:39,634
to me.

987
00:25:39,634 --> 00:25:39,871
I'm a sucker for a

988
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:41,061
Hilux.

989
00:25:41,062 --> 00:25:44,382
Building, building is an easy
sell, an easy media clickbait.

990
00:25:44,521 --> 00:25:46,281
2023, 49,000 K. Oh, stop it.

991
00:25:46,281 --> 00:25:46,421
Yeah.

992
00:25:47,301 --> 00:25:47,751
I'll just keep whispering.

993
00:25:47,751 --> 00:25:47,771
Just keep…

994
00:25:47,771 --> 00:25:47,911
Karl's

995
00:25:47,911 --> 00:25:52,421
like, "Fuck's sake." It's only

996
00:25:52,421 --> 00:25:54,041
$28,000.

997
00:25:54,091 --> 00:25:55,232
Get me back to my pre-heated

998
00:25:55,232 --> 00:25:55,261
car.

999
00:25:55,581 --> 00:25:57,331
Let's, let's talk, let's
talk about cars, Karl.

1000
00:25:57,331 --> 00:25:57,571
Comes, comes with,

1001
00:25:58,172 --> 00:25:58,971
comes with three stickers.

1002
00:25:59,021 --> 00:25:59,471
All right.

1003
00:25:59,541 --> 00:26:01,942
What's the most un-passive house
thing about… Oh, 'cause you've got

1004
00:26:01,942 --> 00:26:06,072
a pretty nice… Both of you have nice
houses that you've both renovated.

1005
00:26:06,381 --> 00:26:07,101
I have now.

1006
00:26:07,172 --> 00:26:08,071
I don't anymore.

1007
00:26:08,462 --> 00:26:08,572
I've

1008
00:26:08,572 --> 00:26:09,112
got a new one.

1009
00:26:09,112 --> 00:26:09,302
So have you not

1010
00:26:09,302 --> 00:26:09,752
moved yet?

1011
00:26:09,911 --> 00:26:10,231
Yeah.

1012
00:26:10,361 --> 00:26:10,781
Okay.

1013
00:26:10,812 --> 00:26:11,935
You can watch mine on
Grand Designs, can't you?

1014
00:26:11,935 --> 00:26:11,951
Yeah.

1015
00:26:11,951 --> 00:26:12,121
That's, that's been on

1016
00:26:13,111 --> 00:26:13,221
Grand Designs.

1017
00:26:13,311 --> 00:26:14,821
Yeah, yeah, I remember seeing that.

1018
00:26:14,821 --> 00:26:14,962
Yeah,

1019
00:26:14,962 --> 00:26:15,372
yeah.

1020
00:26:16,001 --> 00:26:17,991
So what's… Okay, so what's
the most un-passive house

1021
00:26:17,991 --> 00:26:18,051
thing about you at the moment?

1022
00:26:18,051 --> 00:26:19,052
So like what's a, a
non-passive house thing?

1023
00:26:19,562 --> 00:26:19,702
Oh, the

1024
00:26:22,352 --> 00:26:26,411
one thing that I bang on at the moment
is we got a full house, uh, full

1025
00:26:26,411 --> 00:26:29,952
water filtration system in the house
to filter out all the water so it's

1026
00:26:29,962 --> 00:26:31,481
like clean water when you drink it.

1027
00:26:31,701 --> 00:26:34,791
One, when you shower, like there's
no shit on the screen anymore so

1028
00:26:34,791 --> 00:26:36,421
it's like crystal clear every time.

1029
00:26:36,742 --> 00:26:39,861
Two, it's gonna extend the longevity
of my taps and fittings and fixtures.

1030
00:26:40,341 --> 00:26:43,811
And three, like I thought
drinking like water from a

1031
00:26:43,812 --> 00:26:45,671
filter would be like what a wank.

1032
00:26:45,672 --> 00:26:46,761
It sucks, stupid.

1033
00:26:47,191 --> 00:26:48,561
I hate drinking other water now.

1034
00:26:48,611 --> 00:26:50,482
So that is the most
non-passive house-y thing.

1035
00:26:50,482 --> 00:26:51,732
Why is it non-passive house?

1036
00:26:51,732 --> 00:26:52,771
I think it's very- I feel like
that is passive house … very-

1037
00:26:52,771 --> 00:26:55,841
No, it's… That's just, that's
not got nothing to do with the con-

1038
00:26:55,891 --> 00:26:58,041
This guy cannot consume power if he…

1039
00:26:58,112 --> 00:26:58,621
Like that's,

1040
00:26:58,651 --> 00:27:00,011
that's not- That's, that's nothing
to do with the pow- the, the

1041
00:27:00,011 --> 00:27:00,881
performance of a home though.

1042
00:27:00,881 --> 00:27:02,211
That's, that's the, the

1043
00:27:02,211 --> 00:27:02,281
quality.

1044
00:27:02,282 --> 00:27:04,181
I'm talking about like, do
you go to Calder Park Drags?

1045
00:27:04,181 --> 00:27:05,841
I mean, I mean, I know you don't.

1046
00:27:05,841 --> 00:27:06,031
Ask me, ask me, ask me.

1047
00:27:06,061 --> 00:27:06,822
But like… Yeah, go on.

1048
00:27:06,851 --> 00:27:08,532
Yeah, so- What's your
un-passive house thing?

1049
00:27:08,612 --> 00:27:10,431
I love driving my 300 series Land Cruiser.

1050
00:27:10,472 --> 00:27:10,812
Yes.

1051
00:27:11,071 --> 00:27:11,331
Oh.

1052
00:27:11,341 --> 00:27:11,391
I take that to mean.

1053
00:27:11,562 --> 00:27:15,707
And, and, and- I love burning
a wood fire in my house.

1054
00:27:15,717 --> 00:27:15,918
Yeah,

1055
00:27:15,918 --> 00:27:16,697
I like wood fires too.

1056
00:27:16,697 --> 00:27:17,888
So wood fires, you know-

1057
00:27:18,078 --> 00:27:19,048
Mm. Sorry, Cam.

1058
00:27:19,108 --> 00:27:19,477
Sorry, Cam … yeah.

1059
00:27:19,507 --> 00:27:21,388
Do a lot of passive houses
have wood fires in them?

1060
00:27:21,538 --> 00:27:21,725
No, no.

1061
00:27:21,725 --> 00:27:21,812
You just don't need it.

1062
00:27:21,812 --> 00:27:21,882
You don't need it.

1063
00:27:21,882 --> 00:27:22,078
It's not a thing.

1064
00:27:22,088 --> 00:27:23,608
You don't need it.

1065
00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:24,247
We… Yeah.

1066
00:27:24,247 --> 00:27:24,737
You don't need it.

1067
00:27:24,737 --> 00:27:26,158
What if someone wants it,
would you build it for them?

1068
00:27:26,158 --> 00:27:27,767
Do you wanna go… How
technical are we allowed to go

1069
00:27:27,917 --> 00:27:27,987
into this?

1070
00:27:27,987 --> 00:27:28,867
Or is it s- or is it s- Yeah, okay.

1071
00:27:28,867 --> 00:27:30,467
Not too technical, 'cause it's also now.

1072
00:27:30,828 --> 00:27:32,328
No, so there's two,
there's two, two reasons.

1073
00:27:32,328 --> 00:27:35,077
One, you're airtight so you gotta bring
in air to, to light the fire, so oxygen.

1074
00:27:35,077 --> 00:27:35,407
To keep it

1075
00:27:35,408 --> 00:27:35,618
moving.

1076
00:27:35,618 --> 00:27:37,283
So it's gotta have a dedicated
vent- Make… Yeah … it's

1077
00:27:37,283 --> 00:27:37,858
gotta have dedicated airflow.

1078
00:27:37,858 --> 00:27:38,187
Otherwise

1079
00:27:38,187 --> 00:27:39,467
it'll pull the oxygen

1080
00:27:40,227 --> 00:27:40,318
out of the room.

1081
00:27:40,318 --> 00:27:40,575
It just won't light.

1082
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:40,671
It just won't light.

1083
00:27:40,671 --> 00:27:41,030
Yeah, it's… Two, the other question I'll
ask is, like, and we look- It'll overheat.

1084
00:27:41,030 --> 00:27:41,638
It'll overheat too

1085
00:27:44,527 --> 00:27:48,108
… we look at health aspect of just human
health right now, and the healthcare

1086
00:27:48,127 --> 00:27:51,757
bill that we c- in a state like Victoria
is through the roof, and we can't

1087
00:27:51,858 --> 00:27:56,507
maintain it, yet we decrease doctors
and so nurses, which we need more of.

1088
00:27:57,227 --> 00:28:03,288
The burden of asthma and burning fires
is sh- is a huge- Is huge … is a huge

1089
00:28:03,297 --> 00:28:04,947
burden on our healthcare system right now.

1090
00:28:05,207 --> 00:28:05,717
And the thing is- Really?

1091
00:28:05,757 --> 00:28:06,097
Yeah.

1092
00:28:06,097 --> 00:28:06,127
Dude,

1093
00:28:06,247 --> 00:28:07,197
stop judging me,

1094
00:28:07,197 --> 00:28:07,242
man.

1095
00:28:07,242 --> 00:28:07,419
No, no, no, no.

1096
00:28:07,419 --> 00:28:07,507
It's fine.

1097
00:28:07,507 --> 00:28:08,917
I love my

1098
00:28:08,917 --> 00:28:09,068
fire.

1099
00:28:09,068 --> 00:28:11,477
I, I fucking… It was the biggest
thing that I didn't want to give up.

1100
00:28:11,627 --> 00:28:11,647
I've

1101
00:28:11,647 --> 00:28:12,367
got, like, four fireplaces.

1102
00:28:12,377 --> 00:28:12,857
Yeah, no.

1103
00:28:13,178 --> 00:28:16,577
It, it's one thing that I didn't
want to… Like, for years, this is

1104
00:28:16,577 --> 00:28:20,058
the part I hated about Passive House
and it was mentally, I've given up

1105
00:28:20,058 --> 00:28:26,087
on it not because I don't like it,
it's because it's the part that…

1106
00:28:26,687 --> 00:28:27,818
How do I even speak about this?

1107
00:28:27,818 --> 00:28:32,387
Like, y- y- y- it's… So when you
burn a wood fire, it's, it doesn't

1108
00:28:32,387 --> 00:28:35,407
affect you, it affects everyone else
around you 'cause it blows everywhere.

1109
00:28:35,427 --> 00:28:35,707
Yeah.

1110
00:28:35,707 --> 00:28:38,850
So, so I guess I think it's
all within context though.

1111
00:28:38,850 --> 00:28:39,246
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:28:39,246 --> 00:28:42,507
So I live on a couple of acres,
my back onto a state park.

1113
00:28:42,537 --> 00:28:46,157
I live, you know, there's fireplace down
there, there's a fireplace down there.

1114
00:28:46,227 --> 00:28:47,297
Like, I, I- So you just

1115
00:28:47,297 --> 00:28:48,547
have them outside though now.

1116
00:28:49,128 --> 00:28:53,747
Well, I mean, I've, I've got a
fireplace in my old 1970s home,

1117
00:28:53,797 --> 00:28:56,297
which I, I, I really enjoy the heat.

1118
00:28:56,308 --> 00:28:56,328
Yeah.

1119
00:28:56,467 --> 00:29:00,167
Now, w- if, if a client said to me,
"Hey, I wanna put a wood fire in," I'd

1120
00:29:00,167 --> 00:29:01,957
be like, "Well, no, you can't." Yeah.

1121
00:29:01,957 --> 00:29:05,597
"'Cause you're airtight, your house
is gonna overcook. You know, I'm

1122
00:29:05,597 --> 00:29:08,937
respecting your neighbors there,
which is, like, 10, 20 meters away."

1123
00:29:08,937 --> 00:29:11,297
Like, there's… I think it's all,
it's gotta all be within context.

1124
00:29:11,347 --> 00:29:12,057
Yeah, right.

1125
00:29:12,317 --> 00:29:14,167
So you have a fireplace in your house.

1126
00:29:14,167 --> 00:29:16,327
Your house is not
currently… is unrenovated?

1127
00:29:16,367 --> 00:29:17,357
It is unrenovated.

1128
00:29:17,408 --> 00:29:17,707
Okay.

1129
00:29:17,827 --> 00:29:18,517
But you're gonna renovate it.

1130
00:29:18,527 --> 00:29:18,657
I'm

1131
00:29:18,658 --> 00:29:19,247
gonna renovate it,

1132
00:29:19,247 --> 00:29:19,317
yeah.

1133
00:29:19,317 --> 00:29:20,157
Passive House standards.

1134
00:29:20,187 --> 00:29:21,217
Uh, probably, yeah.

1135
00:29:21,217 --> 00:29:21,517
Yeah.

1136
00:29:21,547 --> 00:29:21,787
Yeah.

1137
00:29:22,007 --> 00:29:24,517
And mine is a more- So Carlin, do you…
I live in a certified Passive House,

1138
00:29:24,518 --> 00:29:26,047
but mine's on environmental reasons.

1139
00:29:26,047 --> 00:29:30,447
So I, I care about sustainability,
but not as much as you probably think.

1140
00:29:30,757 --> 00:29:31,877
I care what makes sense.

1141
00:29:31,887 --> 00:29:34,047
So durability and longevity
makes sense, the home.

1142
00:29:34,327 --> 00:29:34,347
Yeah.

1143
00:29:34,348 --> 00:29:35,337
I don't wanna keep maintaining it.

1144
00:29:35,628 --> 00:29:37,747
Two, it's cheaper to be all electric.

1145
00:29:38,158 --> 00:29:42,238
Like- Yep … three, I want
good air in- door air quality.

1146
00:29:42,247 --> 00:29:42,267
Yeah.

1147
00:29:42,408 --> 00:29:42,857
That's it.

1148
00:29:43,178 --> 00:29:43,348
Yeah.

1149
00:29:43,348 --> 00:29:45,727
I don't, like, materials and that,
making it healthy was a bit of

1150
00:29:45,727 --> 00:29:47,217
a test and fun and play around.

1151
00:29:47,217 --> 00:29:50,197
But- Yeah … ultimately, like,
I look at it as a common sense

1152
00:29:50,197 --> 00:29:53,257
approach, not, not sustainability.

1153
00:29:53,257 --> 00:29:56,087
The by-product that I
have is sustainability.

1154
00:29:56,787 --> 00:29:57,117
Yeah,

1155
00:29:57,117 --> 00:29:57,127
sure.

1156
00:29:57,127 --> 00:29:57,337
Okay.

1157
00:29:57,378 --> 00:29:57,578
I…

1158
00:29:58,458 --> 00:29:58,828
Yeah.

1159
00:29:59,077 --> 00:30:00,457
Look, that… I mean, that makes sense.

1160
00:30:00,467 --> 00:30:04,907
But you… So there's, there's still
nothing un-Passive House about this

1161
00:30:04,908 --> 00:30:05,207
guy.

1162
00:30:06,268 --> 00:30:07,738
Um, no, it's not P- like-

1163
00:30:10,902 --> 00:30:11,102
I feel

1164
00:30:11,132 --> 00:30:12,502
like, there needs to be something

1165
00:30:12,732 --> 00:30:13,272
Yeah.

1166
00:30:13,332 --> 00:30:13,602
What else?

1167
00:30:13,652 --> 00:30:13,782
No.

1168
00:30:13,782 --> 00:30:16,412
I mean, he… I

1169
00:30:16,412 --> 00:30:18,742
don't know You're talking to a
guy that's got like a 6.9 liter-

1170
00:30:18,742 --> 00:30:21,931
I travel in a car … carbie'd
car that he drives on the weekend.

1171
00:30:21,932 --> 00:30:23,096
I need, I need something here.

1172
00:30:23,096 --> 00:30:23,182
Um-

1173
00:30:23,182 --> 00:30:25,392
I saw, I drive a Mazda
BT-50 as my other car.

1174
00:30:25,602 --> 00:30:26,242
Oh, okay.

1175
00:30:26,411 --> 00:30:26,672
Um- Oh, yeah.

1176
00:30:26,672 --> 00:30:27,182
That's un-passive there.

1177
00:30:27,182 --> 00:30:28,042
That's cute.

1178
00:30:28,262 --> 00:30:28,522
Yeah.

1179
00:30:29,282 --> 00:30:30,501
So to give you statistics, here we

1180
00:30:30,501 --> 00:30:30,521
go.

1181
00:30:30,521 --> 00:30:30,891
Diesel.

1182
00:30:30,891 --> 00:30:33,162
'
Cause I, I li- I like, I'll throw this
one for you 'cause I like numbers.

1183
00:30:33,452 --> 00:30:38,931
So 4.1% of Melbourne households
use a wood fire, and it is, uh,

1184
00:30:39,661 --> 00:30:41,201
generates 50% of the air pollution.

1185
00:30:41,581 --> 00:30:43,802
Mm. So only 4% of houses burn it.

1186
00:30:43,821 --> 00:30:44,682
100% of the fucking

1187
00:30:44,682 --> 00:30:45,016
ambience

1188
00:30:45,016 --> 00:30:45,931
though, you know what I mean?

1189
00:30:45,941 --> 00:30:49,531
So if, if, if the question is
who's, who's, who's more less

1190
00:30:49,531 --> 00:30:50,641
passive house, it'd be me.

1191
00:30:50,691 --> 00:30:50,851
It

1192
00:30:50,851 --> 00:30:50,871
is you.

1193
00:30:50,871 --> 00:30:51,271
Yeah.

1194
00:30:51,421 --> 00:30:52,041
Okay.

1195
00:30:52,041 --> 00:30:52,156
Yeah.

1196
00:30:52,156 --> 00:30:52,272
Yeah.

1197
00:30:52,272 --> 00:30:53,351
Um, but you know what?

1198
00:30:54,362 --> 00:30:57,342
I think sometimes it's some of the
stuff, like I, I fucking couldn't

1199
00:30:57,342 --> 00:30:58,632
give two shits about recycling.

1200
00:30:59,542 --> 00:31:00,691
I just don't find it interesting.

1201
00:31:00,891 --> 00:31:01,761
Oh, there we go.

1202
00:31:01,812 --> 00:31:02,113
See, I do.

1203
00:31:02,113 --> 00:31:02,671
That's very un-passive house.

1204
00:31:02,671 --> 00:31:03,011
Yeah.

1205
00:31:03,092 --> 00:31:03,562
Yes.

1206
00:31:03,592 --> 00:31:04,131
I just don't care for it.

1207
00:31:04,131 --> 00:31:04,291
Really?

1208
00:31:05,631 --> 00:31:06,751
Like, like I just can't.

1209
00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:09,341
So what, do you just like throw
shit, rubbish in the recycling bin?

1210
00:31:09,341 --> 00:31:09,682
I try,

1211
00:31:09,691 --> 00:31:10,211
I try my best.

1212
00:31:10,211 --> 00:31:10,501
Whereas

1213
00:31:10,501 --> 00:31:12,042
I, I agonize over it.

1214
00:31:12,042 --> 00:31:12,171
Yeah.

1215
00:31:12,171 --> 00:31:12,521
Yeah.

1216
00:31:12,521 --> 00:31:13,541
I, I, I really-

1217
00:31:13,541 --> 00:31:14,401
Don't you guys have the bins?

1218
00:31:14,401 --> 00:31:14,501
Yeah, I have all that.

1219
00:31:14,501 --> 00:31:14,521
Yeah.

1220
00:31:14,521 --> 00:31:14,741
Yeah, yeah.

1221
00:31:14,741 --> 00:31:14,872
On site and

1222
00:31:15,732 --> 00:31:15,772
stuff.

1223
00:31:15,932 --> 00:31:16,242
I separate my

1224
00:31:16,402 --> 00:31:16,442
stuff.

1225
00:31:16,841 --> 00:31:17,601
I'm worse at home.

1226
00:31:17,601 --> 00:31:19,142
I just don't give a fuck sometimes.

1227
00:31:19,231 --> 00:31:19,591
Yeah.

1228
00:31:19,591 --> 00:31:21,842
Like- So you're better
on, on your jobs with it.

1229
00:31:22,211 --> 00:31:24,358
Don't… Wouldn't your clients
would surely demand a certain level?

1230
00:31:24,358 --> 00:31:24,832
Well, no, we, it's

1231
00:31:24,832 --> 00:31:25,272
just, it's actually

1232
00:31:25,281 --> 00:31:26,691
cheaper to recycle sometimes, so

1233
00:31:26,691 --> 00:31:26,801
it's-

1234
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:27,271
Yeah, yeah.

1235
00:31:27,292 --> 00:31:29,631
Now, whereas, whereas for me,
that's been for… Like, I've

1236
00:31:29,631 --> 00:31:30,801
got, I've got lengths of timber.

1237
00:31:30,961 --> 00:31:33,492
In fact, one of my clients sent
me something on the weekend.

1238
00:31:33,911 --> 00:31:38,881
You know that guy on social media who does
all those funny kind of dad, um, reels?

1239
00:31:39,131 --> 00:31:41,271
And he goes, "Oh yeah, that little
bit of tim- that little bit of weather

1240
00:31:41,271 --> 00:31:44,891
board's gonna come in handy late,
uh, one time." Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1241
00:31:44,891 --> 00:31:44,921
Yeah.

1242
00:31:44,921 --> 00:31:45,012
I'm like that.

1243
00:31:45,012 --> 00:31:45,671
I'm that guy.

1244
00:31:45,671 --> 00:31:45,781
Yeah,

1245
00:31:45,781 --> 00:31:46,071
yeah.

1246
00:31:46,091 --> 00:31:49,811
I've got like piles of little offcuts,
um, of shorts for- I'll use one day sort

1247
00:31:49,821 --> 00:31:51,471
of thing … for, for boxing for a slab.

1248
00:31:51,472 --> 00:31:53,771
I'm like- Oh … "I reckon
I'll use that on my barn slab."

1249
00:31:53,821 --> 00:31:54,221
Yeah.

1250
00:31:54,221 --> 00:31:54,451
Yep.

1251
00:31:54,451 --> 00:31:54,671
Yeah.

1252
00:31:54,682 --> 00:31:58,151
I collect a fair bit of shorts for boxing-
Yeah … and then I just throw them out.

1253
00:31:58,211 --> 00:31:59,911
I just move them around
four times before I do.

1254
00:31:59,921 --> 00:32:00,661
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1255
00:32:00,671 --> 00:32:02,031
Like, I don't care for the use of foam.

1256
00:32:02,031 --> 00:32:03,701
Like, I've got a whole job
of putting a ton of foam in.

1257
00:32:03,701 --> 00:32:06,271
Like, at the end of the day, if
I can increase the performance of

1258
00:32:06,271 --> 00:32:10,151
a house at the cost of like using
petroleum-based product, I'll take the-

1259
00:32:10,811 --> 00:32:11,881
The easy win sort of thing

1260
00:32:11,891 --> 00:32:14,701
… 
I'll take the, the cheaper option to make
the client a healthier, comfortable home.

1261
00:32:14,981 --> 00:32:15,611
Yeah, okay.

1262
00:32:16,152 --> 00:32:16,292
So

1263
00:32:16,292 --> 00:32:16,461
I think-

1264
00:32:16,461 --> 00:32:16,531
You seem very passive house still though.

1265
00:32:16,531 --> 00:32:17,362
You seem very passive house

1266
00:32:17,531 --> 00:32:20,581
… 
material, material choice, I don't
really care as long as it makes sense.

1267
00:32:20,671 --> 00:32:21,551
Are you a bogan though?

1268
00:32:21,561 --> 00:32:22,881
Do you have any bogan traits?

1269
00:32:24,290 --> 00:32:25,400
Stupidly still play football

1270
00:32:25,700 --> 00:32:25,870
Do you?

1271
00:32:25,870 --> 00:32:26,280
Yeah.

1272
00:32:26,430 --> 00:32:26,710
Yeah.

1273
00:32:26,740 --> 00:32:27,840
Yeah, okay.

1274
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:28,110
So yeah.

1275
00:32:28,110 --> 00:32:30,160
I wouldn't… Bogan would
not be what I think about-

1276
00:32:30,180 --> 00:32:30,510
No

1277
00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:31,080
when I think

1278
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,140
about you, no.

1279
00:32:31,140 --> 00:32:32,640
No, but that's why I'm like,
there's gotta be something.

1280
00:32:32,780 --> 00:32:32,800
No.

1281
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,550
I've gotta give something
to the, to the tradies.

1282
00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:34,580
No.

1283
00:32:34,580 --> 00:32:36,720
To the guys that are- Yeah,
okay … we're trying to get the

1284
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,050
rest of the building industry to-

1285
00:32:38,060 --> 00:32:42,629
Yeah … I'm a bit more like, 'cause like
obviously I've got a podcasting company,

1286
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:47,089
like I, I can have very inappropriate
jokes at times, but they will be

1287
00:32:47,089 --> 00:32:48,690
shared between people that I trust.

1288
00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:51,480
I'm not gonna put that out there.

1289
00:32:51,969 --> 00:32:52,789
Um,

1290
00:32:53,259 --> 00:32:53,539
yeah.

1291
00:32:53,539 --> 00:32:54,289
But you still play footy?

1292
00:32:54,430 --> 00:32:55,259
Stupidly, yep.

1293
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:55,619
Yeah.

1294
00:32:55,649 --> 00:32:55,859
Yeah.

1295
00:32:56,150 --> 00:32:58,520
How's it go on the body nowadays?

1296
00:32:58,529 --> 00:32:59,029
Fucked.

1297
00:32:59,110 --> 00:33:01,029
Like- He's always injured … doing
my calf and hammy every second week.

1298
00:33:01,029 --> 00:33:01,309
He's always

1299
00:33:01,310 --> 00:33:01,600
injured.

1300
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:02,269
Soft tissues.

1301
00:33:02,270 --> 00:33:03,649
You're, you're, you're almost in your 40s.

1302
00:33:03,659 --> 00:33:03,679
Yeah.

1303
00:33:03,689 --> 00:33:04,269
Soft tissues.

1304
00:33:04,290 --> 00:33:08,289
I screwed, I broke my ankle, like bone
last year and then fucked it again.

1305
00:33:08,290 --> 00:33:08,370
And

1306
00:33:08,370 --> 00:33:09,130
now you're back in footy

1307
00:33:09,130 --> 00:33:09,248
again.

1308
00:33:09,248 --> 00:33:09,484
Still play.

1309
00:33:09,484 --> 00:33:10,709
I got no PCL left.

1310
00:33:10,709 --> 00:33:14,929
I've got b- I've got metal all through
my arm still from breaking bones.

1311
00:33:15,139 --> 00:33:16,646
So there's a bit of dumb tradie in there.

1312
00:33:16,646 --> 00:33:16,909
There's a little

1313
00:33:16,909 --> 00:33:17,209
bit of dumb tradie.

1314
00:33:17,209 --> 00:33:17,689
Yeah.

1315
00:33:17,829 --> 00:33:18,279
Fuck yeah.

1316
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:18,859
Now we're talking.

1317
00:33:23,770 --> 00:33:26,059
I've been around a b- He's doing his
best to derail my podcast … I've

1318
00:33:26,059 --> 00:33:26,189
been, put it this way, I've been
around a footy club- Fucking educate

1319
00:33:26,189 --> 00:33:27,849
people … since the age of like eight.

1320
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:28,209
Yeah.

1321
00:33:28,299 --> 00:33:31,539
All through seniors when, yeah,
I, I can, I can, the other

1322
00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:32,459
side, yes, you will get that.

1323
00:33:32,459 --> 00:33:33,169
Massive on footy.

1324
00:33:34,129 --> 00:33:34,179
All right.

1325
00:33:34,959 --> 00:33:38,049
Um, do you guys judge us normal builders?

1326
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:38,580
No.

1327
00:33:38,639 --> 00:33:38,949
No.

1328
00:33:38,949 --> 00:33:40,109
No.

1329
00:33:40,109 --> 00:33:42,949
You gotta, you gotta s- everyone,
like you start somewhere.

1330
00:33:43,170 --> 00:33:44,869
Everyone start, we were
all level one at one

1331
00:33:44,869 --> 00:33:44,909
point.

1332
00:33:44,909 --> 00:33:46,919
But you see what you guys
do as the destination.

1333
00:33:47,159 --> 00:33:49,359
No, okay.

1334
00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:49,439
No.

1335
00:33:49,439 --> 00:33:50,259
So for, I can, I'll talk
from my side, right?

1336
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,400
So as a business, we choose
to build a certain way.

1337
00:33:53,569 --> 00:33:53,839
Yeah.

1338
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:57,470
Sustainable Builders Alliance, my goal
would be that every single builder in

1339
00:33:57,499 --> 00:33:58,829
Australia just build a little bit better.

1340
00:33:59,089 --> 00:33:59,429
Yeah.

1341
00:33:59,589 --> 00:34:01,549
Whatever, whatever that
is on that spectrum.

1342
00:34:01,639 --> 00:34:01,939
Yeah.

1343
00:34:01,939 --> 00:34:06,319
'
Cause if, if me and Matt building four
or five passive houses a year means

1344
00:34:06,339 --> 00:34:10,979
nothing unless all of these other
builders throughout Australia, uh,

1345
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:12,229
aren't getting a little bit better.

1346
00:34:12,369 --> 00:34:12,619
Yeah.

1347
00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:15,850
Now for me, it's not about like
throw sustainability out the

1348
00:34:15,850 --> 00:34:21,012
door, like throw- I don't know,
recycling performance, all that.

1349
00:34:21,012 --> 00:34:21,742
Just throw all that out.

1350
00:34:21,742 --> 00:34:22,232
Carbon.

1351
00:34:22,242 --> 00:34:22,992
Just build better.

1352
00:34:23,152 --> 00:34:23,502
Yeah, yeah.

1353
00:34:23,502 --> 00:34:23,982
Just build a little bit better.

1354
00:34:23,992 --> 00:34:25,112
Reliable, reliability.

1355
00:34:25,112 --> 00:34:25,842
A reliable home.

1356
00:34:25,842 --> 00:34:26,042
Yeah.

1357
00:34:26,042 --> 00:34:26,682
Absolutely.

1358
00:34:26,691 --> 00:34:28,052
That's something I
don't care about carbon.

1359
00:34:28,052 --> 00:34:31,612
Like I, I, I don't understand it well
enough, but I just don't care about carbon

1360
00:34:31,931 --> 00:34:31,971
stuff.

1361
00:34:31,972 --> 00:34:32,382
Yeah.

1362
00:34:32,762 --> 00:34:34,202
Yeah, I think it's something
that gets thrown around.

1363
00:34:34,221 --> 00:34:34,241
Yeah.

1364
00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:37,452
But like, okay, so what you guys are
doing, like say with the… I think when

1365
00:34:37,452 --> 00:34:40,812
people think about Passive House, they
think about membranes and wraps and stuff,

1366
00:34:41,101 --> 00:34:45,432
and I would argue that the, the standard
of wraps, building wraps has increased.

1367
00:34:45,432 --> 00:34:45,521
Absolutely.

1368
00:34:45,532 --> 00:34:47,981
You still get the old- Yeah, yeah
… foil shit that you see sometimes.

1369
00:34:48,041 --> 00:34:48,061
Yeah.

1370
00:34:48,101 --> 00:34:50,621
But generally speaking,
most of us won't use it now.

1371
00:34:50,621 --> 00:34:50,641
Yeah.

1372
00:34:50,652 --> 00:34:51,561
Especially small builders.

1373
00:34:51,771 --> 00:34:51,921
Yeah.

1374
00:34:51,931 --> 00:34:53,721
Like you'd be like, "Fuck, I'm
not using that old foil shit." No.

1375
00:34:53,721 --> 00:34:53,781
Yeah.

1376
00:34:53,781 --> 00:34:53,931
But

1377
00:34:53,931 --> 00:34:59,061
you know, like even, even looking at
Sammy Atkins, uh, one of his reels

1378
00:34:59,061 --> 00:35:02,112
where he taped all the joins for
the foil backed stuff, I think that,

1379
00:35:02,132 --> 00:35:03,281
even that in itself- That's fine

1380
00:35:03,281 --> 00:35:04,602
is a, is a, is a much better-

1381
00:35:04,602 --> 00:35:05,481
Durability wins.

1382
00:35:05,492 --> 00:35:05,512
Yeah.

1383
00:35:05,521 --> 00:35:08,191
Like that's ul- ultimately all I
care about is durable buildings.

1384
00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:08,381
Yeah.

1385
00:35:08,381 --> 00:35:08,548
Yeah.

1386
00:35:08,548 --> 00:35:08,882
That's it.

1387
00:35:08,882 --> 00:35:09,271
That's it.

1388
00:35:09,271 --> 00:35:11,301
Like screw sustainability.

1389
00:35:11,301 --> 00:35:11,861
There's no point.

1390
00:35:12,202 --> 00:35:14,982
I can build you the most sustainable
house in the world, but if it doesn't

1391
00:35:14,982 --> 00:35:16,592
last 10 years, is it really sustainable?

1392
00:35:16,592 --> 00:35:16,632
It's not sustainable, yeah.

1393
00:35:16,632 --> 00:35:18,311
So for me, I'd rather build durable.

1394
00:35:18,501 --> 00:35:18,921
Yeah.

1395
00:35:19,222 --> 00:35:19,622
Yeah.

1396
00:35:20,301 --> 00:35:23,371
Or is that maybe the way to make
Passive House a bit more marketable

1397
00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:24,171
to everyone, like durability?

1398
00:35:25,172 --> 00:35:29,082
So again, like I can- 'Cause honestly,
I fucking don't drink the Kool-Aid.

1399
00:35:29,111 --> 00:35:30,081
You guys know that about

1400
00:35:30,831 --> 00:35:30,971
me, right?

1401
00:35:30,971 --> 00:35:31,011
That's, but that's fine.

1402
00:35:31,011 --> 00:35:34,622
But the thing is, I actually, I
don't think, and sorry Australian

1403
00:35:34,622 --> 00:35:37,751
Passive House Association, I actually
don't think the solution is- Passive

1404
00:35:37,852 --> 00:35:39,051
that every house should
be a Passive House.

1405
00:35:39,051 --> 00:35:39,632
It's part of.

1406
00:35:39,632 --> 00:35:44,851
What I do think is I think that every
school and every daycare should be, or

1407
00:35:44,852 --> 00:35:46,691
close to, because we're talking about-

1408
00:35:47,631 --> 00:35:47,721
A hospital.

1409
00:35:47,721 --> 00:35:49,561
Yeah, but this shit's already fucking
expensive, like government spending

1410
00:35:49,562 --> 00:35:49,741
and- Yeah.

1411
00:35:49,741 --> 00:35:50,022
Yeah, okay.

1412
00:35:50,022 --> 00:35:50,971
Yeah, but, but- You

1413
00:35:50,971 --> 00:35:51,141
gotta

1414
00:35:51,151 --> 00:35:53,571
s- But they're gonna spend the money
anyway, and we're talking about children's

1415
00:35:53,571 --> 00:35:58,262
education and, you know, if your kids are
anything like my kids at 1:30, 2:00 in

1416
00:35:58,262 --> 00:36:01,682
the afternoon when they've been sitting
in the same classroom for six hours of

1417
00:36:01,682 --> 00:36:05,681
the day and the carbon monoxide levels
are going through the roof, how the fuck

1418
00:36:05,681 --> 00:36:09,121
are they meant to concentrate in there
when it's four degrees outside, there's

1419
00:36:09,121 --> 00:36:10,621
condensation dripping down the window?

1420
00:36:10,971 --> 00:36:14,182
Where would you prefer your kid
to be, in that classroom or a

1421
00:36:14,182 --> 00:36:17,651
beautifully ventilated, healthy
classroom with good oxygen levels?

1422
00:36:18,601 --> 00:36:18,921
Yeah.

1423
00:36:18,922 --> 00:36:19,541
I don't know, man.

1424
00:36:19,551 --> 00:36:20,131
I'll be honest with you.

1425
00:36:20,132 --> 00:36:23,762
The whole education thing and
like my kids and all that stuff, I

1426
00:36:23,762 --> 00:36:28,072
really don't feel like the education
system really is really hitting

1427
00:36:28,081 --> 00:36:29,762
anything for me and I don't- I agree

1428
00:36:29,902 --> 00:36:32,721
I don't know that I'd want my kids in
that environment either, in either.

1429
00:36:33,031 --> 00:36:33,201
It's

1430
00:36:33,201 --> 00:36:33,611
your only trick.

1431
00:36:33,611 --> 00:36:35,461
Like I think- That has been the
challenge … the reason why I say

1432
00:36:35,462 --> 00:36:41,422
that is I don't want my kids to be
not, um, exposed to the weather and to

1433
00:36:41,422 --> 00:36:44,041
the elements, and if anything, I kind
of want my kids to be outside more.

1434
00:36:44,091 --> 00:36:44,301
Yeah.

1435
00:36:44,301 --> 00:36:44,468
But that,

1436
00:36:44,468 --> 00:36:44,525
that's-

1437
00:36:44,525 --> 00:36:45,561
In the fucking cold weather … that's not

1438
00:36:45,561 --> 00:36:46,152
what I'm talking about though.

1439
00:36:46,152 --> 00:36:46,482
Yeah.

1440
00:36:46,531 --> 00:36:46,641
That's

1441
00:36:46,801 --> 00:36:46,861
not what

1442
00:36:46,861 --> 00:36:48,601
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm- 'Cause you made
the comment about you got to spend it.

1443
00:36:48,602 --> 00:36:49,271
It's more expensive.

1444
00:36:49,271 --> 00:36:51,131
You've already got a, a
spending problem, which we do

1445
00:36:51,132 --> 00:36:52,312
in Victoria, so let's be mindful

1446
00:36:52,341 --> 00:36:52,416
of that.

1447
00:36:52,416 --> 00:36:56,151
I, I'm, I'm talking about kids in a
classroom who, you know, let's face

1448
00:36:56,151 --> 00:36:57,031
it, kids have got to go to school.

1449
00:36:57,182 --> 00:36:58,382
If they're in primary school,
they've got to go to school.

1450
00:36:58,391 --> 00:36:58,811
Yeah, yeah.

1451
00:36:58,891 --> 00:37:01,251
Like why not put them in an
environment that's healthy for them

1452
00:37:01,531 --> 00:37:02,632
and where they can concentrate?

1453
00:37:02,811 --> 00:37:03,171
Yeah.

1454
00:37:03,492 --> 00:37:05,992
And, and to, and to comment on
spending, like we have, we've got a

1455
00:37:06,021 --> 00:37:07,551
massive spending problem in Victoria.

1456
00:37:07,551 --> 00:37:12,796
Like our government in Victoria is
fucking cooked right now, but- It's

1457
00:37:12,796 --> 00:37:15,486
about spending money wisely and
redistributing the correct areas.

1458
00:37:15,496 --> 00:37:19,386
So we can cut on things and then spend in
the right areas, and you can save money.

1459
00:37:19,666 --> 00:37:21,556
Again, I go back to the comment
on the healthcare system.

1460
00:37:21,716 --> 00:37:25,045
What if we can decrease the risk on
the healthcare system by building

1461
00:37:25,056 --> 00:37:29,096
better c- indoor air quality homes, and
then all of a sudden we've completely

1462
00:37:29,096 --> 00:37:31,675
halved the asthma we spend, was it a
billion dollars on asthma per year?

1463
00:37:32,006 --> 00:37:34,815
Half that, and all of a sudden you
got $500,000 that we can now either

1464
00:37:34,825 --> 00:37:35,986
save or put to something else.

1465
00:37:36,016 --> 00:37:36,625
Yeah, look,

1466
00:37:36,875 --> 00:37:38,826
I'm- Or go and waste on a
new freeway or something.

1467
00:37:38,875 --> 00:37:39,135
Yeah.

1468
00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:41,826
Yeah, yeah, like- I'm hearing
what you guys are saying.

1469
00:37:41,836 --> 00:37:43,696
Like, um, again, I'll
be, I'll just be honest.

1470
00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:46,135
I, I hear- No, it's fine … what
you guys are saying, but it's fucking

1471
00:37:46,136 --> 00:37:48,945
such a gap to bridge, I think, like…

1472
00:37:48,945 --> 00:37:49,675
Do you think, though?

1473
00:37:50,245 --> 00:37:50,615
Yeah.

1474
00:37:50,616 --> 00:37:50,936
Fuck yeah.

1475
00:37:50,936 --> 00:37:51,407
Like- Do you think so?

1476
00:37:51,407 --> 00:37:52,085
Like- What, what counts,

1477
00:37:52,195 --> 00:37:53,936
what parts of the gap to bridge?

1478
00:37:54,405 --> 00:37:57,355
Like, I'm talking about look at the
kind of dog shit houses that are

1479
00:37:57,355 --> 00:38:00,006
still getting built out on sites.

1480
00:38:00,065 --> 00:38:03,425
Like, I… Man, I don't know what's going
on with my algorithm at the moment, but my

1481
00:38:03,425 --> 00:38:08,046
fucking socials are getting flooded with
shit fucking builds and shit trades, man.

1482
00:38:08,046 --> 00:38:09,065
So is that our problem or

1483
00:38:09,065 --> 00:38:10,055
that's their problem?

1484
00:38:10,175 --> 00:38:10,675
'Cause that's-

1485
00:38:10,956 --> 00:38:12,645
I'm just saying, like, you've got this-

1486
00:38:12,686 --> 00:38:13,006
Yeah

1487
00:38:13,166 --> 00:38:16,535
… 
down here, and then you guys
are, like, all the way at the

1488
00:38:16,535 --> 00:38:17,596
other end of the spectrum.

1489
00:38:17,895 --> 00:38:21,205
Like, I'm, I'm talking about… Like, did
you guys see that slab that got poured?

1490
00:38:21,205 --> 00:38:21,648
Yeah, yeah.

1491
00:38:21,648 --> 00:38:22,105
I still can't

1492
00:38:22,105 --> 00:38:22,695
work that out.

1493
00:38:22,805 --> 00:38:24,135
I'm- Far too- … I'm still trying to work

1494
00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:24,285
my

1495
00:38:24,285 --> 00:38:25,736
way out … how is, how do they get past?

1496
00:38:25,736 --> 00:38:27,575
Like, that is, I-

1497
00:38:27,645 --> 00:38:30,305
As soon as you put concrete on that,
that's, that plastic was gonna tear.

1498
00:38:30,315 --> 00:38:30,335
Yeah.

1499
00:38:30,586 --> 00:38:32,364
I, I- That just- I started second-

1500
00:38:32,364 --> 00:38:33,685
The steel, the steel's probably

1501
00:38:33,875 --> 00:38:34,155
this thick.

1502
00:38:34,155 --> 00:38:36,296
That's fucking… Like, l- those
leagues and everything, I'm

1503
00:38:36,296 --> 00:38:37,696
like, these are not fucking…

1504
00:38:37,696 --> 00:38:40,965
There, surely there's no engineering
document that looks like what

1505
00:38:40,965 --> 00:38:42,146
you fucking put served up.

1506
00:38:42,146 --> 00:38:42,175
Like,

1507
00:38:42,175 --> 00:38:44,955
who, who… I don't know if, a-
and people probably have seen it,

1508
00:38:44,955 --> 00:38:46,925
'cause it's- Fucking everywhere
… spinning, spinning around.

1509
00:38:46,925 --> 00:38:49,415
There would've been 200
cubes of concrete in that.

1510
00:38:49,415 --> 00:38:50,765
I started second-guessing

1511
00:38:50,775 --> 00:38:52,975
my- And then a bloke hanging
out in a fucking tree branch.

1512
00:38:52,976 --> 00:38:53,076
Yeah.

1513
00:38:53,076 --> 00:38:54,445
What the f- Like, fuck me, man.

1514
00:38:54,445 --> 00:38:54,845
Like-

1515
00:38:54,875 --> 00:38:55,195
Yeah.

1516
00:38:55,226 --> 00:38:55,355
Do you

1517
00:38:55,355 --> 00:38:55,455
know

1518
00:38:55,455 --> 00:38:55,835
what I'm talking about?

1519
00:38:55,955 --> 00:38:56,618
I don't care where you're from.

1520
00:38:56,618 --> 00:38:57,465
Yeah, I know.

1521
00:38:57,465 --> 00:38:57,665
It's

1522
00:38:57,665 --> 00:38:58,555
just that- It's just more, it's just
more- … I went through and watched

1523
00:38:58,555 --> 00:38:59,476
all those videos … a fucking

1524
00:38:59,476 --> 00:38:59,796
circus

1525
00:38:59,796 --> 00:39:03,285
… 
I actually started second-guessing my
building knowledge, being like, "Am

1526
00:39:03,415 --> 00:39:04,135
I doing something wrong here?"

1527
00:39:04,135 --> 00:39:06,625
Yeah, am I doing… Like, a- a- are
you actually… I was like, "Oh,

1528
00:39:06,665 --> 00:39:09,125
can you do that?" And I was like-

1529
00:39:09,245 --> 00:39:10,795
I'm more concerned about the pipes.

1530
00:39:11,155 --> 00:39:11,785
Like- No,

1531
00:39:11,825 --> 00:39:12,565
no, like- The risers and shit?

1532
00:39:12,565 --> 00:39:13,055
Yeah … the risers.

1533
00:39:13,055 --> 00:39:13,395
Yeah.

1534
00:39:13,625 --> 00:39:14,645
Like, so, so Stormi- Oh, my God.

1535
00:39:14,645 --> 00:39:16,285
You see the sewer was, like, running down.

1536
00:39:16,285 --> 00:39:16,685
God.

1537
00:39:16,805 --> 00:39:19,655
So, so let's, let's work that, 'cause
that is what people see as building.

1538
00:39:19,655 --> 00:39:22,556
That's what they see as the m-
the, the standard of construction,

1539
00:39:22,785 --> 00:39:23,626
and then they compare it to us.

1540
00:39:23,626 --> 00:39:24,096
So like- Yeah, hang on,

1541
00:39:24,115 --> 00:39:24,296
hang on.

1542
00:39:24,296 --> 00:39:24,956
Wait, wait, wait … hold on.

1543
00:39:24,956 --> 00:39:27,055
You're, you're- That house, that house
is in, was in North Born or something.

1544
00:39:27,055 --> 00:39:30,136
I, I, I… D- does- That's a
million, million plus dollar house.

1545
00:39:30,136 --> 00:39:30,166
Like,

1546
00:39:30,246 --> 00:39:30,796
it doesn't matter.

1547
00:39:30,965 --> 00:39:34,265
Just like there are crappy cars,
there's also awesome cars, and

1548
00:39:34,266 --> 00:39:35,655
so there's a scale on anything.

1549
00:39:35,805 --> 00:39:39,246
You can go buy an awesome designer
bag, you can go buy a shitty bag.

1550
00:39:39,275 --> 00:39:42,155
I don't… There's a scale on everything
and everything we do in society.

1551
00:39:42,156 --> 00:39:45,325
You go buy amazing pasta that's 20
bucks worth of packet of pasta, or

1552
00:39:45,325 --> 00:39:46,976
you can go buy the dollar pa- packet.

1553
00:39:47,225 --> 00:39:48,086
The same as housing.

1554
00:39:48,175 --> 00:39:51,465
You can buy something that's
extremely awesome, or you can just

1555
00:39:51,465 --> 00:39:53,365
get the fucking bottom end of things.

1556
00:39:53,445 --> 00:39:54,575
I've got a question for you.

1557
00:39:54,755 --> 00:40:00,673
Do you, when you see us on social
media, do you think… Okay, let's

1558
00:40:00,673 --> 00:40:01,445
talk about me on social media.

1559
00:40:01,546 --> 00:40:04,955
Do you think that the information
that I'm sharing is trying to

1560
00:40:04,955 --> 00:40:06,716
convince you to build a passive house?

1561
00:40:10,638 --> 00:40:11,238
Do I think?

1562
00:40:11,278 --> 00:40:11,898
No Yeah,

1563
00:40:12,508 --> 00:40:13,658
'
cause it's not my goal.

1564
00:40:13,668 --> 00:40:13,698
Like-

1565
00:40:13,748 --> 00:40:14,778
No, I don't think it is.

1566
00:40:14,778 --> 00:40:16,388
I don't, I don't get that impression.

1567
00:40:16,438 --> 00:40:16,668
Yeah.

1568
00:40:16,678 --> 00:40:17,598
Like, I don't feel like-

1569
00:40:17,598 --> 00:40:21,188
But I- But I, I never feel like you guys
are, um- Slamming it down throats … y-

1570
00:40:21,237 --> 00:40:24,728
you don't, you don't… No, you don't
come across as guys that are selling it.

1571
00:40:25,008 --> 00:40:26,907
You come across as guys
that are educating.

1572
00:40:26,988 --> 00:40:27,248
Yeah.

1573
00:40:27,257 --> 00:40:27,327
Right?

1574
00:40:27,377 --> 00:40:27,798
Um-

1575
00:40:27,828 --> 00:40:30,877
I, I'm glad to hear that because
my, my goal is go, "Hey, this is

1576
00:40:30,877 --> 00:40:33,357
how I choose to run my business."

1577
00:40:33,427 --> 00:40:33,737
Yeah.

1578
00:40:33,798 --> 00:40:37,908
I'm not trying to make you do it,
not trying to make- Yeah … the

1579
00:40:37,908 --> 00:40:38,937
person down the street do it.

1580
00:40:38,937 --> 00:40:41,227
I'm saying, "Hey, this is what I'm
doing and I'm sharing my journey."

1581
00:40:41,228 --> 00:40:44,327
But, uh, like, I guess what
I see sometimes, sorry to

1582
00:40:44,327 --> 00:40:45,008
cut you off- That's all right

1583
00:40:45,178 --> 00:40:50,877
but I see a rocket scientist talking to a
fucking mechanic, and it's like, man, we

1584
00:40:50,877 --> 00:40:54,587
might both use fucking bolts, but you're
doing very different things with yours-

1585
00:40:54,597 --> 00:40:56,857
Yeah … and your bolts are made out of
very different materials than mine are.

1586
00:40:56,917 --> 00:40:57,138
Yeah, okay.

1587
00:40:57,138 --> 00:40:57,538
Right?

1588
00:40:57,607 --> 00:41:00,937
Like, I'm going to Bunnings and getting
some gal coach bolts and you're fucking

1589
00:41:00,937 --> 00:41:03,287
got some high tensile fucking- I know.

1590
00:41:03,287 --> 00:41:03,787
I'm a, I'm a- You know

1591
00:41:03,787 --> 00:41:04,927
… 
I'm a, I'm a Bunnings guy.

1592
00:41:04,927 --> 00:41:05,217
Yeah, yeah.

1593
00:41:05,217 --> 00:41:05,697
Gal coach.

1594
00:41:05,708 --> 00:41:06,434
No, but do you know what I'm saying?

1595
00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:08,607
Like, it's- But again, that's like the
housing system … it's, it's just feels-

1596
00:41:08,618 --> 00:41:13,827
Yeah … like, and this is kind of, um,
kind of my bone to pick with you guys-

1597
00:41:13,837 --> 00:41:19,688
Yeah … is what you do is so fucking
disconnected from the bottom end, and then

1598
00:41:19,697 --> 00:41:23,428
even for what I do, I feel like what I
do is disconnected from the bottom end.

1599
00:41:23,428 --> 00:41:23,568
Yeah,

1600
00:41:23,568 --> 00:41:24,038
yeah.

1601
00:41:24,127 --> 00:41:27,187
Even, and but so f- for, for what
I'm trying to do, I'm like, I agree.

1602
00:41:27,507 --> 00:41:28,537
Want to lift the standard.

1603
00:41:28,748 --> 00:41:28,957
Mm-hmm.

1604
00:41:28,968 --> 00:41:29,348
Right?

1605
00:41:29,647 --> 00:41:36,286
But guys like me don't really
educate the guys at the bottom end.

1606
00:41:36,296 --> 00:41:38,625
Instead, I get fucking just shitted off.

1607
00:41:38,636 --> 00:41:40,875
So the b- the biggest problem
is education, and that's where

1608
00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:42,006
it starts because at, at…

1609
00:41:42,046 --> 00:41:43,595
And the thing that I hate is, one-

1610
00:41:43,605 --> 00:41:44,576
Well, I think it's regulation

1611
00:41:45,415 --> 00:41:45,696
as well Okay.

1612
00:41:45,696 --> 00:41:47,196
So, do, so here's a good conversation.

1613
00:41:47,415 --> 00:41:50,056
Do you think that we should
have licenses for carpenters?

1614
00:41:50,156 --> 00:41:50,796
Fucking oath.

1615
00:41:50,806 --> 00:41:51,445
Okay, cool.

1616
00:41:51,485 --> 00:41:52,255
We're on the same page.

1617
00:41:52,535 --> 00:41:55,886
So then you should have upskilling,
so you continue to upskill and learn.

1618
00:41:56,076 --> 00:41:56,206
Yeah.

1619
00:41:56,206 --> 00:41:57,495
So I, I think, and I know also-

1620
00:41:57,496 --> 00:42:00,405
As in like con- like, as in like
do it like what the doctors do?

1621
00:42:00,405 --> 00:42:00,415
Professionals.

1622
00:42:00,415 --> 00:42:00,936
Yeah, yeah.

1623
00:42:00,936 --> 00:42:03,645
So like the new, like a new 1684
comes in, hey, you've got to

1624
00:42:03,645 --> 00:42:04,825
go do a four-hour course on it.

1625
00:42:05,335 --> 00:42:06,675
Does that just not make sense?

1626
00:42:06,735 --> 00:42:07,365
Like- I think so

1627
00:42:07,446 --> 00:42:11,695
… 
so then you also have like wire and other
trades license, and I think the moment you

1628
00:42:11,696 --> 00:42:16,316
can start to do that, then you can h- I
can go, "Hey Joel, you got your license.

1629
00:42:16,345 --> 00:42:17,245
You want to keep operating?

1630
00:42:17,246 --> 00:42:19,645
If you don't keep doing the right
thing, we'll take it off you."

1631
00:42:19,915 --> 00:42:20,225
Yeah.

1632
00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:22,395
And then that's how you f-
you have to lift the bottom.

1633
00:42:22,876 --> 00:42:24,005
These fucking sh- But, but then

1634
00:42:24,005 --> 00:42:25,365
it's going to add fucking cost.

1635
00:42:25,516 --> 00:42:26,245
But is, but is it?

1636
00:42:26,246 --> 00:42:28,485
But also you're going to decrease,
you should also decrease cost

1637
00:42:28,485 --> 00:42:30,585
because you're going to actually have
people being taught the right thing.

1638
00:42:30,586 --> 00:42:32,216
You're going to have more, you're
going to have service- Less callbacks.

1639
00:42:32,216 --> 00:42:32,226
Less-

1640
00:42:32,226 --> 00:42:34,505
You're going to decrease
supply of carpenters, though.

1641
00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:35,465
Who cares?

1642
00:42:35,906 --> 00:42:37,685
Fucking, the economy will care.

1643
00:42:37,725 --> 00:42:37,946
But do they?

1644
00:42:37,946 --> 00:42:40,875
People that don't have houses,
like we've got a supply crisis of

1645
00:42:40,996 --> 00:42:41,086
houses.

1646
00:42:41,086 --> 00:42:41,725
Do, do we actually?

1647
00:42:41,756 --> 00:42:43,015
Do you know anyone that's not in a house?

1648
00:42:43,045 --> 00:42:45,955
This is a whole conversation, like
we get, we keep getting told we're

1649
00:42:45,955 --> 00:42:47,575
in a, like a cost of living crisis.

1650
00:42:47,875 --> 00:42:50,166
We are, but when it comes to
housing crisis- Yeah, but I,

1651
00:42:50,166 --> 00:42:51,205
I- … do, like, are we actually?

1652
00:42:51,235 --> 00:42:54,002
Are we just trying to support the mi-
the immigration that comes in per year?

1653
00:42:54,002 --> 00:42:54,135
Look,

1654
00:42:54,135 --> 00:42:56,066
you're honestly probably
going over my head with that.

1655
00:42:56,066 --> 00:42:56,095
I know.

1656
00:42:56,095 --> 00:42:57,415
Like, I'm not going to argue

1657
00:42:58,065 --> 00:42:58,730
something I don't know about.

1658
00:42:58,730 --> 00:42:59,042
I'm being devil's advocate here.

1659
00:42:59,042 --> 00:42:59,166
And we,

1660
00:42:59,166 --> 00:42:59,866
and we probably don't know enough

1661
00:42:59,866 --> 00:43:01,795
about- No … um, the actual
stats and all that stuff, yeah.

1662
00:43:01,795 --> 00:43:04,376
But I'm being devil, I'm
being devil advocate here.

1663
00:43:04,405 --> 00:43:08,665
But like, so who c- to, we've got
to go back a step to go forward.

1664
00:43:08,905 --> 00:43:11,876
We keep trying to like, as you
introduce 50-year-old carpenters

1665
00:43:11,876 --> 00:43:14,685
and, or we're going to shortcut the
apprenticeship to three years now.

1666
00:43:14,826 --> 00:43:15,456
They're just short.

1667
00:43:15,456 --> 00:43:15,495
Yeah, I agree.

1668
00:43:15,495 --> 00:43:15,555
I, I don't agree with that.

1669
00:43:15,555 --> 00:43:16,875
That's just fucking ridiculous.

1670
00:43:17,095 --> 00:43:21,055
How about we go backwards, start training
everyone properly, spend the time.

1671
00:43:21,055 --> 00:43:24,645
So yes, you might halve the amount of
carpenters, but in 40 years we now have a

1672
00:43:24,646 --> 00:43:26,765
trade that is super proud of what they do.

1673
00:43:26,765 --> 00:43:27,506
Well, I, yeah.

1674
00:43:27,716 --> 00:43:30,015
It kind of comes back to like what we
were talking about before, about like

1675
00:43:30,065 --> 00:43:33,145
getting an 18-year-old apprentice and
whether you'd actually want that or

1676
00:43:33,145 --> 00:43:35,445
not, and that's why I'm like, yeah,
because I want someone that could

1677
00:43:35,445 --> 00:43:39,525
actually maybe get passionate about
it when they're young, and then have

1678
00:43:39,525 --> 00:43:42,606
a longer career to actually serve the
industry for a longer period of time.

1679
00:43:42,615 --> 00:43:42,635
Yeah.

1680
00:43:42,645 --> 00:43:44,145
Not a fucking 50-year-old apprentice.

1681
00:43:44,196 --> 00:43:46,735
I've got nothing against
50-year-old people that want

1682
00:43:46,735 --> 00:43:47,596
to start an apprenticeship.

1683
00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:50,365
I'm just saying that's not
the solution- No, it's not.

1684
00:43:50,375 --> 00:43:51,276
I- … to a skills shortage.

1685
00:43:51,435 --> 00:43:51,535
I

1686
00:43:51,536 --> 00:43:51,856
agree.

1687
00:43:51,885 --> 00:43:54,236
But there's n- the, the thing
is there's no skill, there's no

1688
00:43:54,286 --> 00:43:55,635
answer and there will never be.

1689
00:43:55,635 --> 00:43:58,535
It's been the same conversation
forever, and we keep having it because

1690
00:43:58,536 --> 00:44:00,106
that's what clickbait and media sells.

1691
00:44:00,106 --> 00:44:02,685
It's like housing crisis, that
sells, it gets people interested.

1692
00:44:02,685 --> 00:44:04,765
That's what gets people
complai- Yeah … complaining.

1693
00:44:04,905 --> 00:44:08,245
So ultimately what we've got to do is if
you want to, if you want to go forward,

1694
00:44:08,245 --> 00:44:09,606
you're always going to have to go back.

1695
00:44:09,885 --> 00:44:11,375
You're going to have to stop and reassess.

1696
00:44:11,385 --> 00:44:11,405
Yeah,

1697
00:44:11,465 --> 00:44:12,520
but we can't afford to go back now.

1698
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:12,618
We

1699
00:44:12,618 --> 00:44:13,285
c- we can.

1700
00:44:13,295 --> 00:44:14,155
Not at the moment.

1701
00:44:14,305 --> 00:44:14,525
Why?

1702
00:44:14,535 --> 00:44:15,455
We're fucking broke as a state.

1703
00:44:15,455 --> 00:44:15,675
Exactly.

1704
00:44:15,795 --> 00:44:16,038
Think about Victoria.

1705
00:44:16,038 --> 00:44:16,885
So you've got to stop.

1706
00:44:17,256 --> 00:44:17,626
Yeah.

1707
00:44:17,695 --> 00:44:20,565
So it, to go, to, to get more money
back in the account, you've got to stop.

1708
00:44:20,786 --> 00:44:23,546
When you can't, like you don't go buy
the Ferrari because you can't afford it.

1709
00:44:23,575 --> 00:44:26,106
You just said you can't build a
house because you can afford it.

1710
00:44:26,176 --> 00:44:26,945
Same principles.

1711
00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:29,235
If we don't, we've got
to slow down to go ahead.

1712
00:44:29,305 --> 00:44:33,218
I th- yeah, but I think this is
where I look at it differently And

1713
00:44:33,218 --> 00:44:36,078
I've got real world experience-
Yeah … of having run a business that

1714
00:44:36,088 --> 00:44:37,918
was completely hemorrhaging money.

1715
00:44:38,018 --> 00:44:38,258
Yeah.

1716
00:44:38,918 --> 00:44:43,378
The only way I could actually rescue the
business was to change what I was doing,

1717
00:44:43,427 --> 00:44:45,678
but the number one thing was to cut costs.

1718
00:44:45,678 --> 00:44:45,757
I,

1719
00:44:45,757 --> 00:44:47,387
I, I 100% agree.

1720
00:44:47,558 --> 00:44:51,418
But everything that you've suggested will
fucking increase costs in the short term.

1721
00:44:52,278 --> 00:44:52,997
In the short term.

1722
00:44:53,358 --> 00:44:54,648
Long term, sure- So have
a look, so have a look at

1723
00:44:54,827 --> 00:44:55,788
China right now.

1724
00:44:55,917 --> 00:44:59,887
They're arguably a global power
because they went the 40-year approach

1725
00:45:01,038 --> 00:45:02,438
Yeah, but you can't compare us to China.

1726
00:45:02,618 --> 00:45:03,478
But you, but we- We've

1727
00:45:03,478 --> 00:45:04,618
fucking got less population than

1728
00:45:04,878 --> 00:45:05,108
New York City

1729
00:45:05,108 --> 00:45:07,838
No, no, no, but no, you, you can use
the, the, you can use the longevity

1730
00:45:07,838 --> 00:45:10,908
and forward thinking rather than
thinking for a four-year political term.

1731
00:45:10,908 --> 00:45:12,748
We won't get, we won't
get there though, man.

1732
00:45:12,757 --> 00:45:16,047
We won't get past the next
fucking few years, is my point.

1733
00:45:16,668 --> 00:45:20,347
But what I, I think we're actually
agreeing on where we're trying to…

1734
00:45:20,347 --> 00:45:22,118
And maybe I'm just not
communicating it correctly.

1735
00:45:22,427 --> 00:45:23,968
I agree we need to stop spending.

1736
00:45:24,188 --> 00:45:24,408
Yeah.

1737
00:45:24,408 --> 00:45:25,938
So we, let, let's start there.

1738
00:45:26,708 --> 00:45:30,607
Yes, h- how it will drive
the price up, we're-

1739
00:45:30,618 --> 00:45:32,027
I don't think we should
need to stop spending.

1740
00:45:32,247 --> 00:45:35,978
If we stop spending, we won't get, like,
the, the economy will collapse on itself.

1741
00:45:36,507 --> 00:45:37,037
I think we're gonna-

1742
00:45:37,037 --> 00:45:37,957
I think the government needs to

1743
00:45:42,867 --> 00:45:42,977
stop spending.

1744
00:45:42,977 --> 00:45:43,084
No, no, no, okay.

1745
00:45:43,084 --> 00:45:43,137
No, no,

1746
00:45:43,137 --> 00:45:44,012
so yes, this is what I think we're
talking about politics right now.

1747
00:45:44,012 --> 00:45:44,146
The government probably
needs to, the, yeah, okay.

1748
00:45:44,146 --> 00:45:44,230
That's what we're talking politics.

1749
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:44,380
You know what, I've, I've…
Yes, this is politics.

1750
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:46,117
Yeah, I don't, I don't want to touch
the subject either, to be honest.

1751
00:45:46,117 --> 00:45:46,447
I'll fucking talk about it.

1752
00:45:46,447 --> 00:45:46,687
Yeah.

1753
00:45:46,797 --> 00:45:47,998
But like it's, but it's like a business.

1754
00:45:47,998 --> 00:45:49,488
If you can't afford something,
you don't go invest in it

1755
00:45:49,928 --> 00:45:49,998
or buy it.

1756
00:45:49,998 --> 00:45:52,288
I, I think getting, getting back
to what the original question, if

1757
00:45:52,288 --> 00:45:56,167
I fucking remember what it was, I
think that what Matt and I are doing

1758
00:45:56,167 --> 00:46:00,467
on social media and the, and the
information that we're, um, projecting,

1759
00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:03,887
the education that we're projecting,
I think is good for the industry.

1760
00:46:03,937 --> 00:46:09,887
I think what you're doing with
Joel from hy 建 build, uh, and you

1761
00:46:09,927 --> 00:46:13,368
actually showing passion about
your business and being a trade-

1762
00:46:13,567 --> 00:46:13,887
Yeah

1763
00:46:14,008 --> 00:46:15,148
… 
is helping the industry.

1764
00:46:15,377 --> 00:46:19,277
I think what Hoppo's doing and how
passionate he is and motivating

1765
00:46:19,277 --> 00:46:20,688
people is great for the industry.

1766
00:46:20,987 --> 00:46:22,847
Collectively, we're all-
We need passionate people

1767
00:46:22,858 --> 00:46:24,718
we're all, we're all, okay, we're
all passionate people, but we're all

1768
00:46:24,718 --> 00:46:30,077
lifting a person over here who arguably
is a little bit lower than what we

1769
00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:31,177
are, and we're bringing them up.

1770
00:46:31,258 --> 00:46:31,538
Yeah.

1771
00:46:31,557 --> 00:46:32,527
So collectively we're bringing up.

1772
00:46:32,538 --> 00:46:34,037
We're just a different,
we're doing different things.

1773
00:46:34,057 --> 00:46:34,147
And

1774
00:46:34,148 --> 00:46:36,367
if you're gon- Well, yeah … if you're
gonna do something, just do it right.

1775
00:46:36,377 --> 00:46:37,314
That's my thinking, obviously.

1776
00:46:37,314 --> 00:46:40,087
So- If you're gonna go be a carpenter,
just go fucking do it right.

1777
00:46:40,267 --> 00:46:40,597
Yeah.

1778
00:46:40,597 --> 00:46:43,377
But, okay, and also- So- … I, I'm,
I'm also, sorry, trying to, I'm, so

1779
00:46:43,377 --> 00:46:46,217
I'm sitting here trying to find a
good response to this, but I'm also

1780
00:46:46,218 --> 00:46:47,557
just trying to ignore the noise.

1781
00:46:47,807 --> 00:46:48,017
Mm.

1782
00:46:48,027 --> 00:46:52,487
Like, I have a pretty good vision of what
I want to try and do with my life, and

1783
00:46:52,487 --> 00:46:54,017
whether that's with the podcast- Yeah

1784
00:46:54,078 --> 00:46:57,608
whether that's with Sustainable Builders
Alliance or with Sanctum Homes, like I

1785
00:46:57,608 --> 00:47:01,707
am really just trying to ignore all the
other shit that's- All the bullshit,

1786
00:47:01,707 --> 00:47:06,647
yeah … all the bullshit around me, and
just focus on doing that really well.

1787
00:47:06,898 --> 00:47:10,268
Well, I think, you know, that's what
I've been doing, like, and even with

1788
00:47:10,268 --> 00:47:14,688
the social media stuff, I kind of ignore
the, all the people that tell you,

1789
00:47:14,688 --> 00:47:16,757
"You should do this, and you should
do that," and the fucking business

1790
00:47:16,758 --> 00:47:18,938
coaches and the guys that say, "You
know, scale your fucking trade business

1791
00:47:19,407 --> 00:47:19,967
to-" What's your thoughts,
what's your thought on bus-

1792
00:47:19,967 --> 00:47:21,397
thoughts on business coaches?

1793
00:47:21,567 --> 00:47:22,147
I don't use them.

1794
00:47:22,478 --> 00:47:22,788
Why?

1795
00:47:22,797 --> 00:47:23,467
Have you ever had one?

1796
00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:24,217
No.

1797
00:47:24,588 --> 00:47:24,978
Why?

1798
00:47:25,387 --> 00:47:26,877
'
Cause I fucking don't want one.

1799
00:47:26,907 --> 00:47:29,857
I, I don't, oh, I don't want
to fucking piss them all off.

1800
00:47:29,957 --> 00:47:30,267
Yeah.

1801
00:47:30,267 --> 00:47:30,317
No, just piss them off.

1802
00:47:30,317 --> 00:47:30,427
I

1803
00:47:30,478 --> 00:47:32,117
feel like they're the
worst people to piss off.

1804
00:47:32,167 --> 00:47:33,608
Like, I feel like they're
all gonna come for me.

1805
00:47:36,004 --> 00:47:38,854
It, mate, if you fucking need a
business coach, go for it, but I

1806
00:47:38,864 --> 00:47:40,473
fucking don't wanna be told what to do.

1807
00:47:40,794 --> 00:47:43,973
And I do… A lot of things that
I do, I work it out backwards.

1808
00:47:43,973 --> 00:47:45,973
I go in arse first to situations.

1809
00:47:45,984 --> 00:47:46,004
Yeah.

1810
00:47:46,314 --> 00:47:46,334
Yeah.

1811
00:47:46,344 --> 00:47:47,814
And that's just how I fucking do things.

1812
00:47:47,824 --> 00:47:48,014
So you

1813
00:47:48,014 --> 00:47:48,254
know I

1814
00:47:48,274 --> 00:47:51,274
said- But I've worked it out, and I
don't want someone to tell me, "You

1815
00:47:51,274 --> 00:47:54,423
need to fucking do this and scale your
business to fucking eight figures, and

1816
00:47:54,423 --> 00:47:55,753
then you can get out of the business."

1817
00:47:55,783 --> 00:47:57,144
I don't wanna get out of the business.

1818
00:47:57,173 --> 00:47:58,133
I like my business.

1819
00:47:58,554 --> 00:47:59,464
I like my team.

1820
00:47:59,503 --> 00:48:00,574
So now I say we're probably gonna- I'll be

1821
00:48:00,603 --> 00:48:01,043
bored.

1822
00:48:01,163 --> 00:48:03,794
You know how I said we're probably
gonna agree on a lot of, like-

1823
00:48:03,814 --> 00:48:04,163
Yeah … it was surprising?

1824
00:48:04,304 --> 00:48:05,053
I agree with you.

1825
00:48:05,093 --> 00:48:05,473
Yeah.

1826
00:48:05,574 --> 00:48:09,994
Like, I think, yeah, that a lot of
coaches will throw stuff down your

1827
00:48:09,994 --> 00:48:12,973
throat to keep them dangling the carrot.

1828
00:48:13,033 --> 00:48:15,611
Yeah, and that's why I don't… Like,
people have said, "Hey- Not all of

1829
00:48:15,611 --> 00:48:17,803
them … do you do mentoring? Do you do
coaching- Yeah … or are you gonna do…"

1830
00:48:18,033 --> 00:48:21,313
No, I'm not, because I don't… Because
then I'll have to change what I do.

1831
00:48:21,473 --> 00:48:23,353
Mentoring, I think, is
different to coaching.

1832
00:48:23,353 --> 00:48:24,354
They're two different things, though.

1833
00:48:24,443 --> 00:48:25,303
Coaching is, like…

1834
00:48:25,353 --> 00:48:28,153
Mentoring is, like, me calling,
like, "Hey, what do we do here?

1835
00:48:28,153 --> 00:48:30,493
I'm, I'm a bit… Like, you've had
this problem." That's mentoring.

1836
00:48:30,533 --> 00:48:31,194
Yeah, sure.

1837
00:48:31,413 --> 00:48:33,363
I think, I think you'd actually be a
very good- I think we all do that anyway.

1838
00:48:33,433 --> 00:48:33,631
Yeah, but I

1839
00:48:33,631 --> 00:48:36,023
think you- I feel like, I feel
like men- mentoring is, like, this,

1840
00:48:36,023 --> 00:48:38,613
um, sort of top-down kind of- Yeah

1841
00:48:38,633 --> 00:48:40,844
thing, whereas, you know- More just peers.

1842
00:48:40,844 --> 00:48:43,353
I might be looking up at someone who,
who, yeah, is helping me, and then I'm

1843
00:48:43,353 --> 00:48:44,773
looking down, helping that person there.

1844
00:48:44,783 --> 00:48:46,654
Like, that for me is,
like, that sort of mentor.

1845
00:48:46,704 --> 00:48:49,464
Yeah, like y- you wanting to help
the kid and get to take on an a-

1846
00:48:49,464 --> 00:48:51,584
apprentice, and then that's mentoring.

1847
00:48:51,783 --> 00:48:52,083
Yeah.

1848
00:48:52,083 --> 00:48:52,924
Yeah, absolutely.

1849
00:48:52,924 --> 00:48:53,303
Yeah, that- And that-

1850
00:48:53,323 --> 00:48:54,001
Well, that's what it should

1851
00:48:54,001 --> 00:48:54,723
be … that's not coaching.

1852
00:48:54,734 --> 00:48:54,924
That's mentoring, yeah.

1853
00:48:54,924 --> 00:48:55,014
What

1854
00:48:55,794 --> 00:48:57,484
a lot of carpenters think it is
is cheap labor, which it isn't.

1855
00:48:57,484 --> 00:48:57,703
Yeah.

1856
00:48:58,204 --> 00:48:58,794
Um-

1857
00:48:58,884 --> 00:49:00,493
What else have you got in that…
For how many… We haven't even

1858
00:49:00,493 --> 00:49:01,523
got through the top first page.

1859
00:49:01,523 --> 00:49:01,553
Mate,

1860
00:49:01,553 --> 00:49:02,614
I… No, we have.

1861
00:49:02,623 --> 00:49:03,633
We've gone through a couple, but-

1862
00:49:03,633 --> 00:49:03,708
Oh,

1863
00:49:03,708 --> 00:49:03,858
have we?

1864
00:49:03,858 --> 00:49:04,213
… there's a lot.

1865
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:07,303
But, like, I be- I guess, you know,
I'm in insurance and make safes, right?

1866
00:49:07,353 --> 00:49:08,983
Like, we're on the total
opposite ends of the spectrum-

1867
00:49:09,223 --> 00:49:10,204
Yeah … here, of the, of the-

1868
00:49:10,293 --> 00:49:10,563
Yeah

1869
00:49:10,634 --> 00:49:10,874
… 
thing.

1870
00:49:10,874 --> 00:49:13,203
My… Like you, you said,
you don't work weekends.

1871
00:49:13,204 --> 00:49:14,894
It's like- Yeah … 7:00 to 5:00 or- Yeah.

1872
00:49:14,894 --> 00:49:15,183
Yeah

1873
00:49:15,183 --> 00:49:15,614
5:00 to

1874
00:49:15,614 --> 00:49:15,674
whatever.

1875
00:49:15,674 --> 00:49:18,853
I, I just, I like, I'll do 12 hours
a day, but I… Weekends is my time.

1876
00:49:18,873 --> 00:49:19,083
Yeah.

1877
00:49:19,094 --> 00:49:19,334
Family

1878
00:49:19,334 --> 00:49:19,413
time.

1879
00:49:19,413 --> 00:49:20,533
We're 24/7.

1880
00:49:20,533 --> 00:49:20,673
Yeah.

1881
00:49:20,703 --> 00:49:20,853
Yeah.

1882
00:49:20,943 --> 00:49:22,863
Like, you guys do beautiful stuff.

1883
00:49:23,333 --> 00:49:26,203
You've got, like, architects and
all this stuff, and I've, you

1884
00:49:26,204 --> 00:49:28,673
know, been there, not done Passive
House, but- Yeah … close to it.

1885
00:49:29,223 --> 00:49:34,663
And now we walk into,
like, water damage, fire.

1886
00:49:34,663 --> 00:49:36,553
We're going in there after firefighters.

1887
00:49:37,024 --> 00:49:39,573
Um, we're doing make safes, mold.

1888
00:49:39,734 --> 00:49:42,323
Like, just the worst work.

1889
00:49:42,353 --> 00:49:42,373
Do

1890
00:49:42,373 --> 00:49:42,803
you?

1891
00:49:42,803 --> 00:49:42,993
Yeah.

1892
00:49:42,993 --> 00:49:46,663
But a lot of s-, a lot of shit
happens because of a poor building.

1893
00:49:46,844 --> 00:49:47,184
Yeah.

1894
00:49:47,193 --> 00:49:51,464
Like, a, a bad building to start
with, or bad wiring, or you know.

1895
00:49:51,663 --> 00:49:55,544
So I guess we're kind of looking at
the same problem from opposite ends.

1896
00:49:55,553 --> 00:49:55,863
Mm. You know?

1897
00:49:55,973 --> 00:50:00,193
I'm, I'm just… And then when we
rectify and we're doing something

1898
00:50:00,443 --> 00:50:04,534
through insurance, you s- you
have to bring it up to code.

1899
00:50:04,633 --> 00:50:06,163
Mm. You can't now deliver something-

1900
00:50:06,163 --> 00:50:06,453
Yeah

1901
00:50:06,784 --> 00:50:07,973
… 
that doesn't comply.

1902
00:50:08,174 --> 00:50:08,424
Mm.

1903
00:50:08,603 --> 00:50:10,653
So we're sort of trying to lift-

1904
00:50:11,303 --> 00:50:11,443
That

1905
00:50:11,443 --> 00:50:12,423
end up … you know, things in that way.

1906
00:50:12,424 --> 00:50:13,654
But I don't know.

1907
00:50:13,743 --> 00:50:15,524
I think, I think we're, um…

1908
00:50:15,734 --> 00:50:17,423
Yeah, we are… It's the same problem.

1909
00:50:17,454 --> 00:50:18,463
I think we're in agreement.

1910
00:50:18,573 --> 00:50:18,803
Yeah.

1911
00:50:18,803 --> 00:50:19,033
Yeah.

1912
00:50:19,463 --> 00:50:19,623
Just how we actually-

1913
00:50:19,623 --> 00:50:20,033
Yeah.

1914
00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:20,193
Yeah.

1915
00:50:20,193 --> 00:50:21,634
With two s- totally different angles.

1916
00:50:21,644 --> 00:50:21,664
Yeah.

1917
00:50:21,664 --> 00:50:25,792
And one of my concerns is- What
you guys are doing is how, how

1918
00:50:25,792 --> 00:50:30,532
much is it helping when these guys
down here are just so fucking bad,

1919
00:50:30,542 --> 00:50:31,622
and they're almost getting worse

1920
00:50:31,702 --> 00:50:34,232
And no one wants to talk about the
cost because they're too scared

1921
00:50:34,232 --> 00:50:35,782
of not selling a client, saying…

1922
00:50:35,782 --> 00:50:38,982
They- they're too scared to say that
it's more expensive and lose the client.

1923
00:50:39,432 --> 00:50:42,751
That's, that's the reality, but-
Yeah … I think the reality is passive

1924
00:50:42,752 --> 00:50:45,682
house is more expensive, and that's
okay because it's a premium product.

1925
00:50:45,771 --> 00:50:46,061
Yeah.

1926
00:50:46,351 --> 00:50:46,772
That's it.

1927
00:50:46,772 --> 00:50:47,462
And to a- Yeah.

1928
00:50:47,462 --> 00:50:48,151
Well, look, even in

1929
00:50:48,212 --> 00:50:49,441
what I do, I'm a premium service.

1930
00:50:49,441 --> 00:50:50,022
Yeah, exactly.

1931
00:50:50,022 --> 00:50:51,682
You know, and at the end of the day-
Comes with costs … pe- pe- we're

1932
00:50:51,682 --> 00:50:53,951
not… You're not holding a gun to
someone's head and telling them to

1933
00:50:53,951 --> 00:50:55,671
spend $2 million to build a house.

1934
00:50:55,721 --> 00:50:55,982
Yeah.

1935
00:50:55,991 --> 00:50:56,712
It's their choice.

1936
00:50:56,761 --> 00:50:57,161
Yeah.

1937
00:50:57,281 --> 00:50:57,541
Yeah.

1938
00:50:57,552 --> 00:51:00,152
And if they, they can afford
it, that's up to them.

1939
00:51:00,162 --> 00:51:03,562
And if that's what they want, like
really we're just satisfying the market.

1940
00:51:03,942 --> 00:51:04,302
Yeah.

1941
00:51:04,371 --> 00:51:06,061
I, look, I mean, we- I'm
doing the same thing.

1942
00:51:06,061 --> 00:51:06,321
Fixing it.

1943
00:51:06,331 --> 00:51:10,651
I'm, I, I, the, I s- I charge more
than some carpenters out there, but

1944
00:51:10,651 --> 00:51:11,902
when my phone rings I answer it.

1945
00:51:12,111 --> 00:51:12,321
Yeah.

1946
00:51:12,521 --> 00:51:14,798
And then when I say I'm gonna
be somewhere, I'm there.

1947
00:51:14,798 --> 00:51:14,982
Even in the middle of the podcast.

1948
00:51:14,982 --> 00:51:16,091
Yeah, I did do that once.

1949
00:51:16,541 --> 00:51:18,281
But in my defense the camera
stopped working anyway, so.

1950
00:51:19,892 --> 00:51:20,641
Um, all right.

1951
00:51:20,681 --> 00:51:23,031
I've got some technical stuff
that I wanted to ask you guys.

1952
00:51:23,041 --> 00:51:23,191
Yeah.

1953
00:51:23,191 --> 00:51:26,211
Um, but technical that's, I feel
like is relatable to the average

1954
00:51:26,212 --> 00:51:26,821
punter, which is what I'm- Yeah.

1955
00:51:27,021 --> 00:51:28,272
We'll dumb it down … sort
of, you know, want to do.

1956
00:51:28,431 --> 00:51:28,581
Yeah.

1957
00:51:28,581 --> 00:51:30,432
Yeah, I'm looking at you here.

1958
00:51:31,861 --> 00:51:34,442
What would you fix in the
average Australian home?

1959
00:51:34,821 --> 00:51:38,481
Like, what's the, what's the first thing
you'd fix in the average Australian home?

1960
00:51:39,121 --> 00:51:39,881
In a co-built home,

1961
00:51:39,881 --> 00:51:40,202
like- All right.

1962
00:51:40,202 --> 00:51:41,551
Well, let me tell you, put it this way.

1963
00:51:41,562 --> 00:51:45,281
If I gave you a standard 1990s brick
veneer home in Narre Warren North with

1964
00:51:45,281 --> 00:51:49,251
blow-in ceiling insulation, no wall
insulation, and single glazed windows

1965
00:51:49,251 --> 00:51:52,502
with no seals, this is self-serving
'cause that's my fucking house.

1966
00:51:52,502 --> 00:51:52,811
Yeah.

1967
00:51:53,471 --> 00:51:54,682
What's the first thing you'd do?

1968
00:51:54,991 --> 00:51:57,228
Draught proof it really simple.

1969
00:51:57,908 --> 00:51:58,178
Go-

1970
00:51:58,178 --> 00:51:58,578
Yeah.

1971
00:51:58,578 --> 00:52:02,778
I, I, I, I draft proof it and maybe
just chuck in a, an air quality,

1972
00:52:03,048 --> 00:52:06,028
like a purifier or just see, let's
just test it to see what your indoor

1973
00:52:06,028 --> 00:52:07,507
quality, indoor air quality is.

1974
00:52:07,858 --> 00:52:08,648
That's a good point, actually.

1975
00:52:08,648 --> 00:52:11,807
You probably want to see, like
what is the, what is the baseline-

1976
00:52:11,907 --> 00:52:12,157
Yeah.

1977
00:52:12,218 --> 00:52:12,460
Just test it out.

1978
00:52:12,460 --> 00:52:14,837
Yeah, like how can people improve their
h- like my house- What, what's- … is

1979
00:52:14,838 --> 00:52:15,688
horrible at the moment, mate.

1980
00:52:15,707 --> 00:52:15,967
Yeah.

1981
00:52:16,218 --> 00:52:16,687
So, so-

1982
00:52:16,757 --> 00:52:17,177
Cold?

1983
00:52:17,238 --> 00:52:18,227
So bad.

1984
00:52:18,277 --> 00:52:18,567
Yeah.

1985
00:52:19,228 --> 00:52:21,648
So there, there's a magnitude
of like, there, there's an

1986
00:52:21,648 --> 00:52:23,407
order of like things you can do.

1987
00:52:23,437 --> 00:52:26,397
Like right down at the, at the lower
end, there's just draft proofing.

1988
00:52:26,457 --> 00:52:26,697
Yeah.

1989
00:52:26,707 --> 00:52:27,328
Simple draft

1990
00:52:28,018 --> 00:52:28,078
proofing.

1991
00:52:28,078 --> 00:52:29,427
Draft, draft… It's like, it's
like, i- it's just like let's

1992
00:52:29,427 --> 00:52:30,827
just give yourself 20 grand.

1993
00:52:30,907 --> 00:52:32,297
Is that probably a fair amount on p- or

1994
00:52:32,398 --> 00:52:33,187
you could probably even do 10, 10-
Go to Bunnings and get some caulking

1995
00:52:34,287 --> 00:52:36,883
guns and- So yeah … and a couple of
door stops- So do that … and, and

1996
00:52:36,883 --> 00:52:37,577
spend 100

1997
00:52:37,578 --> 00:52:37,778
bucks.

1998
00:52:37,778 --> 00:52:37,837
Yeah.

1999
00:52:37,837 --> 00:52:38,027
Yeah.

2000
00:52:38,027 --> 00:52:38,788
Do that.

2001
00:52:38,977 --> 00:52:41,748
I would then also put some
ceiling insulation- Yeah … some

2002
00:52:41,748 --> 00:52:42,817
thick ceiling insulation, R6.

2003
00:52:42,817 --> 00:52:43,067
Suck,

2004
00:52:43,067 --> 00:52:43,737
suck that stuff out

2005
00:52:43,737 --> 00:52:43,747
basically.

2006
00:52:43,747 --> 00:52:43,918
Yeah.

2007
00:52:43,957 --> 00:52:47,347
Yeah, I got a quote for 10 grand
to remove all the blow in- Really?

2008
00:52:47,348 --> 00:52:48,377
… and put ceiling batts in.

2009
00:52:48,418 --> 00:52:50,168
Oh, inc- including in… Yeah, okay.

2010
00:52:50,168 --> 00:52:50,657
That's pretty good.

2011
00:52:50,697 --> 00:52:51,027
Yeah.

2012
00:52:51,067 --> 00:52:55,921
And then I'd also then go and,
um, make sure all your ventilation

2013
00:52:55,921 --> 00:52:58,017
is ducted outside externally-

2014
00:52:58,117 --> 00:52:58,347
Yeah

2015
00:52:58,347 --> 00:52:58,767
automatically.

2016
00:52:58,808 --> 00:52:59,008
So range

2017
00:52:59,008 --> 00:52:59,337
hoods,

2018
00:52:59,337 --> 00:53:01,377
your- Range hoods … your exhaust
fans Yeah, 'cause it didn't used to be.

2019
00:53:01,377 --> 00:53:02,228
It all used to be into

2020
00:53:02,228 --> 00:53:03,198
the ceiling space.

2021
00:53:03,198 --> 00:53:05,007
So I'd, I'd start with that, and
if you draft, I'd draft proof it.

2022
00:53:05,037 --> 00:53:08,277
What, what's the benefit for people
that don't understand, like what's

2023
00:53:08,277 --> 00:53:10,321
the benefit of having that go
into the atmosphere- So, so if-

2024
00:53:10,321 --> 00:53:13,707
and not into the- We've,
we've got a big truss roof

2025
00:53:13,777 --> 00:53:15,007
It's still gonna get moldy in there.

2026
00:53:15,067 --> 00:53:15,377
Yeah.

2027
00:53:15,377 --> 00:53:18,158
So we have this thing called we breathe,
we shower, we cook and moisture.

2028
00:53:18,158 --> 00:53:22,167
We want to just get that moisture and
we, we want to get that air outside.

2029
00:53:22,497 --> 00:53:24,758
Yes, we're not br- 'cause it's
not airtight, we're not bringing

2030
00:53:24,758 --> 00:53:28,048
the cleanest of air, but at least
we're removing any potential-

2031
00:53:28,328 --> 00:53:28,348
The

2032
00:53:28,348 --> 00:53:28,637
bad

2033
00:53:28,637 --> 00:53:28,887
stuff

2034
00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:32,137
any moisture within the air that could
cause a mold and condensation issue.

2035
00:53:32,188 --> 00:53:32,418
Yeah.

2036
00:53:32,907 --> 00:53:34,767
Uh, so ventilation's another simple thing.

2037
00:53:34,767 --> 00:53:36,287
Time, time, timed-

2038
00:53:36,298 --> 00:53:36,638
Fans

2039
00:53:36,648 --> 00:53:37,168
… 
fans in

2040
00:53:37,168 --> 00:53:38,007
your- That should be
in the code … in your

2041
00:53:38,008 --> 00:53:38,278
areas.

2042
00:53:38,278 --> 00:53:39,997
Timed fans and then
duct them out the eave.

2043
00:53:40,297 --> 00:53:40,537
So,

2044
00:53:40,657 --> 00:53:42,697
so as in, so they run for longer after you

2045
00:53:42,697 --> 00:53:42,957
switch

2046
00:53:43,137 --> 00:53:43,217
it off.

2047
00:53:43,217 --> 00:53:43,237
30 minutes.

2048
00:53:43,237 --> 00:53:43,307
Yep.

2049
00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:47,247
So ev- ev- every single… The code
should be that every bathroom that has

2050
00:53:47,247 --> 00:53:50,157
a ducted outside mechanical ventilation
fan, like where you would just do

2051
00:53:50,197 --> 00:53:54,097
extraction fan, should be on a 30-minute
on when you press the switch, should then

2052
00:53:54,398 --> 00:53:54,638
go

2053
00:53:54,688 --> 00:53:54,927
bang for 30 minutes.

2054
00:53:54,927 --> 00:53:56,279
Yeah, just 'cause what, 'cause, 'cause
what do you do as soon- Yeah, every

2055
00:53:56,279 --> 00:53:56,328
time

2056
00:53:56,328 --> 00:53:59,168
as soon as you turn the lights out in your
bathroom, what, what else do you turn off?

2057
00:53:59,168 --> 00:53:59,977
Turn the fan off.

2058
00:54:00,037 --> 00:54:02,398
And the kids not turn it on,
like so that's, that, that should

2059
00:54:02,407 --> 00:54:03,447
be, that should be the function.

2060
00:54:03,447 --> 00:54:04,489
I'm shocked, and I don't turn it on.

2061
00:54:04,489 --> 00:54:04,585
Yeah.

2062
00:54:04,585 --> 00:54:05,727
It turns my bathroom into a steam room.

2063
00:54:05,728 --> 00:54:05,908
Yeah.

2064
00:54:05,908 --> 00:54:08,838
Yeah, so I think that's the one
code that should be changed.

2065
00:54:08,838 --> 00:54:09,203
It's like a Finnish, Finnish bathroom.

2066
00:54:09,203 --> 00:54:11,227
That's, that's the biggest code change
we could possibly make in a hou-

2067
00:54:11,297 --> 00:54:11,657
Okay … in

2068
00:54:11,657 --> 00:54:12,117
the NCC.

2069
00:54:12,297 --> 00:54:12,647
All right.

2070
00:54:12,997 --> 00:54:15,188
Well, I'm, I'm actually
gonna maybe think about it

2071
00:54:15,237 --> 00:54:15,387
and look into it.

2072
00:54:15,387 --> 00:54:16,598
And they're all really cheap ones.

2073
00:54:16,598 --> 00:54:20,048
And if you can then afford to change
windows, yes, but- So what's the

2074
00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:21,607
cheapest upgrade to someone's house?

2075
00:54:21,607 --> 00:54:23,370
Like, you know- What, what are
we- … we're talking about

2076
00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:23,957
draft proofing … what do we
call cheap, what do we call

2077
00:54:23,957 --> 00:54:24,457
cheap though?

2078
00:54:24,717 --> 00:54:25,357
Like give us

2079
00:54:25,357 --> 00:54:25,407
a number.

2080
00:54:25,407 --> 00:54:27,157
Oh, well ju- I just, um- Yeah,

2081
00:54:27,217 --> 00:54:27,927
give me a budget

2082
00:54:27,937 --> 00:54:31,257
… 
I don't know if there's a number on it,
like let's say, but like what's something

2083
00:54:31,467 --> 00:54:35,247
that I could do aside from the obvious of
order some new windows for my brothers?

2084
00:54:35,317 --> 00:54:35,487
Yeah.

2085
00:54:35,487 --> 00:54:35,707
'Cause like-

2086
00:54:35,907 --> 00:54:36,408
Windows is a

2087
00:54:36,568 --> 00:54:40,097
big one … for example… All right, I'll
actually, I'll tell you guys something.

2088
00:54:40,648 --> 00:54:44,487
Our front room flooded, which is slightly
disconnected from the house- Yeah … um,

2089
00:54:44,487 --> 00:54:47,108
'cause it used to be a carport- Yeah
… and then the previous owners enclosed it.

2090
00:54:47,108 --> 00:54:47,377
Yep.

2091
00:54:47,427 --> 00:54:47,697
Yeah.

2092
00:54:48,107 --> 00:54:48,647
It flooded.

2093
00:54:49,167 --> 00:54:53,187
Um, when it flooded we had
to strip everything out.

2094
00:54:53,317 --> 00:54:57,138
It was carpeted and stuff- Yeah
polished the concrete that was there.

2095
00:54:57,198 --> 00:54:57,218
Yeah.

2096
00:54:57,218 --> 00:55:00,448
I'm like, "I'm not recarpeting it- Yeah
… in case it fucking floods again." And,

2097
00:55:00,448 --> 00:55:03,078
um, I s- pulled all the plaster out.

2098
00:55:03,368 --> 00:55:06,988
I left the ceiling plaster
in, but I insulated the walls.

2099
00:55:07,157 --> 00:55:07,507
Yeah.

2100
00:55:07,867 --> 00:55:11,698
And I, um, and I just put,
like, VJ lining board, right?

2101
00:55:11,708 --> 00:55:12,047
That's fine.

2102
00:55:12,047 --> 00:55:12,397
Sweet.

2103
00:55:12,918 --> 00:55:18,477
The room is noticeably warm, and because
of the exposed slab and it gets sunlight-

2104
00:55:18,547 --> 00:55:21,388
Yeah … from the big sliding doors
there, the room is always noticeably

2105
00:55:21,388 --> 00:55:24,788
warmer than the rest of the house,
and it's still got blow-in insulation.

2106
00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:25,468
So, so there's, so-

2107
00:55:25,497 --> 00:55:27,717
And a single glazed aluminum sliding door.

2108
00:55:27,728 --> 00:55:27,748
Yeah.

2109
00:55:27,748 --> 00:55:27,888
So-

2110
00:55:27,888 --> 00:55:30,488
So I would, I'd blow-in in your
walls if you had the ability.

2111
00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:33,458
The cost, it might cost you eight grand
to blow-in insulation into your walls,

2112
00:55:33,458 --> 00:55:35,707
little holes in the plaster or the
brick, and it'll just blow into the, the

2113
00:55:35,707 --> 00:55:38,778
cavity and fill- So as in use blow-in

2114
00:55:38,778 --> 00:55:38,988
insulation?

2115
00:55:38,988 --> 00:55:39,428
Yeah, yeah.

2116
00:55:39,428 --> 00:55:40,567
Yeah, they'll use a-
Cellulose … ce- cellulose.

2117
00:55:40,567 --> 00:55:41,197
Cellulose.

2118
00:55:41,418 --> 00:55:42,168
Completely fine.

2119
00:55:42,778 --> 00:55:43,008
Yeah.

2120
00:55:43,087 --> 00:55:45,907
I'd just bl- I just, I would
literally come around in, um,

2121
00:55:45,907 --> 00:55:46,568
in- So I can do that to my-

2122
00:55:46,577 --> 00:55:47,147
in my Flex?

2123
00:55:47,147 --> 00:55:48,278
… to my existing house.

2124
00:55:48,287 --> 00:55:48,307
Yeah.

2125
00:55:48,317 --> 00:55:49,068
We just, we just did it.

2126
00:55:49,068 --> 00:55:49,207
They'll cut, they'll

2127
00:55:49,208 --> 00:55:52,607
cut little, they'll cut little holes
in, in each sort of stud bay, and

2128
00:55:52,607 --> 00:55:53,708
you just go through and patch it up.

2129
00:55:53,827 --> 00:55:54,767
In the end they just fill it up.

2130
00:55:56,046 --> 00:55:56,546
Yeah, right.

2131
00:55:56,546 --> 00:55:56,685
Super cheap.

2132
00:55:56,685 --> 00:55:56,736
And

2133
00:55:56,736 --> 00:55:59,725
you can thermal im- thermal image it
and see whether they've missed anything.

2134
00:55:59,725 --> 00:56:01,415
We just did that on the
little renovation we did.

2135
00:56:01,426 --> 00:56:03,546
Mm. Cost us four grand
for all external walls.

2136
00:56:03,966 --> 00:56:04,566
Fuck off.

2137
00:56:04,645 --> 00:56:05,125
It's not that expensive.

2138
00:56:05,125 --> 00:56:05,576
Is that it?

2139
00:56:05,576 --> 00:56:07,205
Yeah, but you… Look,
it was a small house.

2140
00:56:07,605 --> 00:56:09,545
But you do the windows, you do that,
but then because- 'Cause there's

2141
00:56:09,546 --> 00:56:12,725
all these '90s houses, which I didn't
even realise, even as a builder I thought

2142
00:56:12,725 --> 00:56:15,015
I should've known this, they didn't
have to have fucking wall insulation.

2143
00:56:16,776 --> 00:56:16,966
No, it's only until

2144
00:56:16,966 --> 00:56:16,982
1990s.

2145
00:56:16,982 --> 00:56:16,999
No.

2146
00:56:16,999 --> 00:56:17,015
No.

2147
00:56:17,015 --> 00:56:18,895
So until the star come in.

2148
00:56:18,895 --> 00:56:22,295
But I would look at… The, the issue
is once you start to introduce one

2149
00:56:22,296 --> 00:56:23,905
or two things, you start to have a-

2150
00:56:24,585 --> 00:56:25,815
Yeah, you change the
physics of the building.

2151
00:56:25,815 --> 00:56:26,256
Yeah, so- So

2152
00:56:26,256 --> 00:56:29,645
that's when you need, really need to start
thinking about ventilation and, and air

2153
00:56:29,645 --> 00:56:30,075
quality and things like that.

2154
00:56:30,075 --> 00:56:32,605
I would say a really good… If you,
if you, your ability to change your

2155
00:56:32,625 --> 00:56:35,625
windows over, once you do your windows
inside externally- Yeah … and

2156
00:56:35,625 --> 00:56:38,415
then you, then you have to make
sure that you have a ducted system

2157
00:56:38,445 --> 00:56:40,926
going for your fans to extract air.

2158
00:56:41,125 --> 00:56:41,405
Yeah.

2159
00:56:41,405 --> 00:56:42,315
'Cause it'll naturally
become more airtight.

2160
00:56:42,915 --> 00:56:45,615
And then a few air purifiers and
just monitor the indoor air quality.

2161
00:56:45,636 --> 00:56:47,245
You just might have to open
a window here and there.

2162
00:56:47,245 --> 00:56:50,776
You know the, those building wraps, you've
got the external one and the internal one.

2163
00:56:50,785 --> 00:56:50,805
Yeah.

2164
00:56:51,316 --> 00:56:54,635
If I don't have an external one or if
it's like a shit old foil one that's not

2165
00:56:54,645 --> 00:56:56,435
taped, is it worth putting an internal

2166
00:56:56,435 --> 00:56:56,635
on?

2167
00:56:56,645 --> 00:56:57,445
Oh, that's a good question.

2168
00:56:57,445 --> 00:56:59,805
So we've ripped them
out mult- Nah, so, oof.

2169
00:57:00,395 --> 00:57:00,575
It,

2170
00:57:01,055 --> 00:57:01,165
do you know what?

2171
00:57:01,655 --> 00:57:01,843
Now I know you're gonna get ya.

2172
00:57:01,843 --> 00:57:01,901
Do you know what?

2173
00:57:01,901 --> 00:57:02,205
It, it depends.

2174
00:57:02,205 --> 00:57:02,585
Yeah.

2175
00:57:02,586 --> 00:57:03,905
I, I actually, I genuinely wanna know.

2176
00:57:03,915 --> 00:57:04,876
So- Because like say- It, it,

2177
00:57:04,876 --> 00:57:05,406
it depends

2178
00:57:05,406 --> 00:57:07,336
because- There's rooms that I'm
gonna be stripping out completely.

2179
00:57:07,336 --> 00:57:09,675
So remove the foil b- so
remove the insulation.

2180
00:57:09,705 --> 00:57:11,845
That's the f- that…
Remove, remove the foil face.

2181
00:57:11,876 --> 00:57:12,805
That's the first thing.

2182
00:57:12,805 --> 00:57:12,994
Yeah.

2183
00:57:12,994 --> 00:57:13,750
That's the first thing.

2184
00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:14,505
That's a vapor blocker.

2185
00:57:14,505 --> 00:57:14,705
Yeah.

2186
00:57:14,705 --> 00:57:15,035
So, so-

2187
00:57:15,445 --> 00:57:18,925
And then, and then get a, and then get
a hydrophobic or, or, or- It's blown

2188
00:57:18,925 --> 00:57:20,175
cellulose

2189
00:57:20,175 --> 00:57:21,565
or polyester back … or pol-
polyester back, 'cause it can,

2190
00:57:21,595 --> 00:57:22,775
it can handle getting a bit wet.

2191
00:57:22,775 --> 00:57:22,849
Well, I

2192
00:57:22,849 --> 00:57:23,525
can't… I've got a brick veneer

2193
00:57:23,525 --> 00:57:23,565
here.

2194
00:57:23,565 --> 00:57:24,426
So there's two parts here.

2195
00:57:24,426 --> 00:57:27,835
So when you do the, when you do the,
the polyester, it's in the stud bay,

2196
00:57:27,836 --> 00:57:29,225
it doesn't touch the brick veneer.

2197
00:57:29,225 --> 00:57:29,505
Okay.

2198
00:57:29,505 --> 00:57:29,956
That's okay.

2199
00:57:29,985 --> 00:57:30,195
Yeah?

2200
00:57:30,196 --> 00:57:30,585
Yep, yep.

2201
00:57:30,675 --> 00:57:33,055
So the, the second thing is we've
gotta worry about is pressure

2202
00:57:33,055 --> 00:57:35,936
driven moisture from the, from the
out- Bricks … from the bricks.

2203
00:57:36,175 --> 00:57:38,346
So if you can put a sealant on
the bricks or something to pre-

2204
00:57:38,395 --> 00:57:40,925
prevent that moisture being pushed
through, you're gonna stop water.

2205
00:57:40,925 --> 00:57:42,195
So we're not talking about s- So making

2206
00:57:42,195 --> 00:57:43,775
them, making them basically not porous.

2207
00:57:43,785 --> 00:57:43,805
Yeah,

2208
00:57:43,805 --> 00:57:45,115
we're not ma- Yeah … yeah,
we're not making, we're not

2209
00:57:45,116 --> 00:57:46,265
talking sustainability here.

2210
00:57:46,266 --> 00:57:50,285
And this is, I think, where we get not
misjudged or confused, is we're actually

2211
00:57:50,285 --> 00:57:54,055
just talking about durability and health
and how the house actually function.

2212
00:57:54,205 --> 00:57:54,445
Yeah.

2213
00:57:54,445 --> 00:57:58,346
So I, I would, if I was in your case,
I'd actually just go get cellulose

2214
00:57:58,346 --> 00:58:02,605
insu- insulation, because I think it
has a lower perm rate and it's not

2215
00:58:02,605 --> 00:58:05,126
as, it will not- From my understanding
of the workshop I think the

2216
00:58:05,126 --> 00:58:07,906
long and short of it, I would, I
would engage someone like Cameron

2217
00:58:07,906 --> 00:58:10,632
Munro to do a report on your building,
and that's where I would- Yeah

2218
00:58:10,632 --> 00:58:10,976
that's what I'd do.

2219
00:58:10,996 --> 00:58:13,856
May- maybe this is m- It would cost
you two and a half grand, and he would

2220
00:58:14,066 --> 00:58:17,746
give you a baseline understanding of
where your home or how your home's

2221
00:58:17,746 --> 00:58:21,356
performing, and then he would do
a couple of different studies on

2222
00:58:21,565 --> 00:58:22,837
if you did X, Y, and Z- All right

2223
00:58:22,837 --> 00:58:23,143
… 
here's the

2224
00:58:23,143 --> 00:58:23,755
impact it would have.

2225
00:58:23,755 --> 00:58:23,908
Uh,

2226
00:58:23,908 --> 00:58:24,825
let's, let's, let's one-up it.

2227
00:58:24,825 --> 00:58:27,886
How about me, you, and Cam do a
podcast, and we say, "How would

2228
00:58:27,886 --> 00:58:28,966
you attack this home with a-

2229
00:58:29,026 --> 00:58:29,565
Yeah, great … $30,

2230
00:58:29,565 --> 00:58:30,976
$30,000 budget?"

2231
00:58:31,165 --> 00:58:31,445
Yeah.

2232
00:58:31,536 --> 00:58:32,945
That, that's not-
Yeah … that's not a bad idea.

2233
00:58:32,945 --> 00:58:33,425
That's a good idea.

2234
00:58:33,425 --> 00:58:36,275
We did… So there's also… We've,
we've just done a retrofit playbook,

2235
00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:40,696
um, live event for Sustainable Builders
Alliance, which is available to buy.

2236
00:58:40,816 --> 00:58:41,090
Yeah, right.

2237
00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:42,155
So we recorded the whole thing.

2238
00:58:42,156 --> 00:58:44,076
I think it's, like, 10 or 20 bucks.

2239
00:58:44,125 --> 00:58:44,526
Yeah, okay.

2240
00:58:44,796 --> 00:58:46,085
Uh, and there is, there's- Holy

2241
00:58:46,085 --> 00:58:48,145
shit, I might actually buy
something that you guys are doing.

2242
00:58:48,185 --> 00:58:49,719
Sarah from QE Architecture.

2243
00:58:49,719 --> 00:58:49,915
He's gonna be

2244
00:58:49,945 --> 00:58:52,275
driving around in a, in a Tesla soon.

2245
00:58:52,276 --> 00:58:53,546
He's gonna be all environmental.

2246
00:58:53,586 --> 00:58:53,616
But

2247
00:58:55,415 --> 00:59:00,605
yeah, but the thing is, what, what you're
talking about now is y- So ironically,

2248
00:59:01,195 --> 00:59:03,665
you want to make your home perform better.

2249
00:59:03,785 --> 00:59:04,285
Yeah.

2250
00:59:04,546 --> 00:59:04,995
Ironic- 'Cause it's

2251
00:59:04,995 --> 00:59:05,455
uncomfortable.

2252
00:59:05,475 --> 00:59:05,735
Yeah.

2253
00:59:05,735 --> 00:59:10,675
And, and, and I guess what I'm saying
is, like, you don't have to be a fucking

2254
00:59:10,675 --> 00:59:13,245
tree-hugging hippie to- Yeah … want to
be comfortable and healthy in your home.

2255
00:59:13,245 --> 00:59:13,575
Yeah.

2256
00:59:13,616 --> 00:59:16,026
Like, I mean, I used to do the
double glaze windows, triple

2257
00:59:16,026 --> 00:59:17,216
glaze, you know, all that stuff.

2258
00:59:17,216 --> 00:59:17,226
Yeah.

2259
00:59:17,226 --> 00:59:19,465
So I sort of get it, but I was never

2260
00:59:19,735 --> 00:59:20,507
really- Do, do you know what?

2261
00:59:20,507 --> 00:59:23,665
I, I am not gonna judge you or
think anything less of you if- No.

2262
00:59:23,785 --> 00:59:25,835
You, you've still got two
V8s sitting in your driveway.

2263
00:59:26,135 --> 00:59:28,995
There's a 200 series- As long as you
get that toilet venter in the bathroom

2264
00:59:29,325 --> 00:59:29,479
… 
and there's a Bal- Bentley?

2265
00:59:29,479 --> 00:59:29,510
Bentley?

2266
00:59:29,510 --> 00:59:29,603
What's your- HK

2267
00:59:29,603 --> 00:59:29,665
Prem, yeah.

2268
00:59:29,665 --> 00:59:30,655
HK, yeah, Prem, yeah.

2269
00:59:31,105 --> 00:59:31,505
Um-

2270
00:59:31,546 --> 00:59:32,336
So there's a few th- there's

2271
00:59:32,336 --> 00:59:34,915
also- It's not gonna change anything
with your masculinity if you

2272
00:59:35,935 --> 00:59:36,155
do all this stuff.

2273
00:59:36,155 --> 00:59:37,905
So, so there's a, there's a few
things when we t- And this is a really

2274
00:59:37,906 --> 00:59:43,055
important thing, is when we talk about
the ev- comfort, comfort is not running

2275
00:59:43,055 --> 00:59:44,345
the heater all day and all night.

2276
00:59:44,406 --> 00:59:44,976
That's just not comfortable.

2277
00:59:44,976 --> 00:59:46,625
No, we fucking argue about
it all the time as well.

2278
00:59:46,625 --> 00:59:50,305
Yeah, y- Lauren's either- Yeah … too
hot, and I'm fucking cold or…

2279
00:59:50,345 --> 00:59:50,365
Yeah.

2280
00:59:50,445 --> 00:59:50,755
Yeah.

2281
00:59:50,965 --> 00:59:52,986
So I, so I'm living in a passive house.

2282
00:59:52,986 --> 00:59:53,725
I woke up this morning.

2283
00:59:53,726 --> 00:59:57,165
It's, it's eight degrees outside, 21
inside, haven't turned anything on.

2284
00:59:57,906 --> 01:00:01,025
The comfort that I, I really now
struggle to talk about the, that

2285
01:00:01,025 --> 01:00:04,286
comfort because it's, it's so different.

2286
01:00:04,325 --> 01:00:06,096
Like, you just, it's just
like living in a house.

2287
01:00:06,096 --> 01:00:06,656
It works.

2288
01:00:06,656 --> 01:00:09,455
Mate, the last house I was in
was seven something star rated.

2289
01:00:09,455 --> 01:00:09,585
Yeah.

2290
01:00:09,585 --> 01:00:10,615
It was almost eight star.

2291
01:00:10,615 --> 01:00:10,635
Yeah.

2292
01:00:10,635 --> 01:00:12,775
It was 120 mil stud walls.

2293
01:00:12,775 --> 01:00:12,795
Yeah, yeah.

2294
01:00:12,795 --> 01:00:14,695
And I, I insulated it well.

2295
01:00:14,695 --> 01:00:14,705
Yeah.

2296
01:00:14,705 --> 01:00:16,415
I insulated all the
internal walls as well.

2297
01:00:16,455 --> 01:00:16,755
Yeah.

2298
01:00:17,125 --> 01:00:17,806
And it was- It makes

2299
01:00:17,806 --> 01:00:18,215
a difference

2300
01:00:18,226 --> 01:00:20,176
… 
fucking, it was 60 squares as well.

2301
01:00:20,215 --> 01:00:21,345
It was a huge house- Oh, shit

2302
01:00:21,345 --> 01:00:22,965
with a double height ceiling in the back.

2303
01:00:22,995 --> 01:00:23,241
Where was that?

2304
01:00:23,241 --> 01:00:23,289
Where was that?

2305
01:00:23,289 --> 01:00:24,126
In Pascalle South.

2306
01:00:24,185 --> 01:00:24,605
Yeah.

2307
01:00:24,815 --> 01:00:25,225
Wow.

2308
01:00:25,255 --> 01:00:25,825
And, um- Why'd you sell

2309
01:00:25,825 --> 01:00:26,115
that?

2310
01:00:26,866 --> 01:00:27,186
Hey?

2311
01:00:27,235 --> 01:00:27,995
Why'd you sell that?

2312
01:00:28,095 --> 01:00:28,596
We moved.

2313
01:00:28,785 --> 01:00:29,625
We wanted land.

2314
01:00:29,836 --> 01:00:30,046
Yeah.

2315
01:00:30,106 --> 01:00:30,936
Like, we wanted a bigger- That's all

2316
01:00:30,936 --> 01:00:31,136
right.

2317
01:00:31,136 --> 01:00:31,286
That's

2318
01:00:31,286 --> 01:00:31,316
a good- Yeah.

2319
01:00:31,316 --> 01:00:31,666
Well, I- I've done a few jobs in Pascalle.

2320
01:00:31,705 --> 01:00:33,415
Oh, yeah.

2321
01:00:33,415 --> 01:00:33,465
Yeah.

2322
01:00:33,465 --> 01:00:33,875
There you go.

2323
01:00:34,185 --> 01:00:38,966
But the- Well, it, like, going
from that then to this I didn't

2324
01:00:38,966 --> 01:00:41,241
realise the contrast it would be.

2325
01:00:41,241 --> 01:00:41,415
Like it-

2326
01:00:41,415 --> 01:00:43,176
Also in that area you've got flight paths.

2327
01:00:43,176 --> 01:00:45,875
So we talk about comfort, we got
sounds- Sound, yeah … vibrations,

2328
01:00:45,915 --> 01:00:47,265
odors, uh, air quality.

2329
01:00:47,266 --> 01:00:49,665
So there's… We, when we talk,
everyone thinks comfort is just thermal.

2330
01:00:49,886 --> 01:00:50,816
There are multiple things.

2331
01:00:50,826 --> 01:00:54,295
So comfort for you might not be thermal
and you might be okay for running the

2332
01:00:54,295 --> 01:00:57,446
heater all day and night, but you're under
a flight path and sound is a huge thing.

2333
01:00:57,475 --> 01:00:57,845
Mm.

2334
01:00:58,065 --> 01:01:01,425
I mean, can I… Or, do you know, sort of
land back on what I was getting at before.

2335
01:01:01,435 --> 01:01:03,036
It sounds like we all want the same thing.

2336
01:01:03,085 --> 01:01:03,105
Yeah.

2337
01:01:03,505 --> 01:01:03,515
Mm.

2338
01:01:03,675 --> 01:01:06,576
Like w- w- with our home, we
want the same thing, we just

2339
01:01:06,576 --> 01:01:07,815
happen to put a label on it.

2340
01:01:08,616 --> 01:01:12,426
Well, yeah, I think, well, it's,
well, to, for, the… To be honest,

2341
01:01:12,475 --> 01:01:15,306
for me, and for, I think for a
lot of guys, it just seems like

2342
01:01:15,685 --> 01:01:20,086
unattainable or like kind of over there-
Yeah … in comparison to what we do.

2343
01:01:20,086 --> 01:01:22,205
It, it just- Whereas what we've
been discussing just in this

2344
01:01:22,205 --> 01:01:25,375
last part, I'm going, "Yeah.

2345
01:01:25,445 --> 01:01:25,765
All right.

2346
01:01:25,815 --> 01:01:28,169
Maybe I need to put some effort- Yeah

2347
01:01:28,169 --> 01:01:30,035
into this, and this is gonna
make my life a bit better." And-

2348
01:01:30,035 --> 01:01:30,555
It's like a

2349
01:01:30,556 --> 01:01:33,025
cake … maybe the air quality
for my kids, and- I think, I think

2350
01:01:33,025 --> 01:01:34,828
it- … now I'm starting to think
about the air quality of my kids.

2351
01:01:34,828 --> 01:01:34,944
Yeah.

2352
01:01:34,944 --> 01:01:36,845
I, I… It's just like the
thing is, what Passive- I'm not

2353
01:01:36,845 --> 01:01:37,875
drinking the fucking Kool-Aid by

2354
01:01:41,176 --> 01:01:41,685
the way.

2355
01:01:41,685 --> 01:01:41,755
What Passive… He's, he's- I sipped it.

2356
01:01:41,755 --> 01:01:43,725
What Passive House did was
literally just take good building

2357
01:01:43,725 --> 01:01:45,255
practice and put a badge on

2358
01:01:45,385 --> 01:01:45,545
it.

2359
01:01:45,545 --> 01:01:45,555
Yeah.

2360
01:01:45,555 --> 01:01:46,356
It didn't invent it.

2361
01:01:46,675 --> 01:01:47,616
Like it's- Physics is physics.

2362
01:01:47,625 --> 01:01:47,866
Physics

2363
01:01:47,866 --> 01:01:47,965
is physics.

2364
01:01:47,965 --> 01:01:50,005
I think the big thing is
it just seems so nerdy.

2365
01:01:50,056 --> 01:01:51,226
Like it's so science-y.

2366
01:01:51,226 --> 01:01:52,306
So no, it's passionate.

2367
01:01:52,315 --> 01:01:52,335
Yeah.

2368
01:01:52,446 --> 01:01:54,265
People are passionate- Passionate
… and people are willing to share

2369
01:01:54,266 --> 01:01:56,334
information, and they care
about the work they're doing.

2370
01:01:56,334 --> 01:01:58,045
Yeah, but why can't like cooler
people be more passionate?

2371
01:01:58,056 --> 01:02:01,365
You guys are cooler people- … I
think compared to what it used to be.

2372
01:02:01,375 --> 01:02:02,485
Like, uh, cool people, okay.

2373
01:02:02,556 --> 01:02:02,696
Yeah.

2374
01:02:02,696 --> 01:02:03,596
No, but don't… No, but like
you're saying you- No, but

2375
01:02:03,596 --> 01:02:04,575
like you're saying I'm cool

2376
01:02:04,615 --> 01:02:05,905
Yeah, you guys are pretty cool.

2377
01:02:05,986 --> 01:02:06,006
Yeah.

2378
01:02:06,405 --> 01:02:09,185
The bit that… Matt, I, I
thought Matt was cool after

2379
01:02:09,185 --> 01:02:10,155
he started bagging me a bit.

2380
01:02:10,346 --> 01:02:11,108
Like, you know, giving me shit.

2381
01:02:11,108 --> 01:02:11,516
I'm start- I sta-

2382
01:02:11,516 --> 01:02:12,915
I have started trolling you

2383
01:02:12,915 --> 01:02:12,970
slightly.

2384
01:02:12,970 --> 01:02:13,135
Just ribbing you.

2385
01:02:13,135 --> 01:02:15,785
I was like, "All right. I,
I, I like this guy now."

2386
01:02:16,405 --> 01:02:18,065
Um, what other questions you got?

2387
01:02:18,075 --> 01:02:18,095
Yeah.

2388
01:02:18,135 --> 01:02:20,885
I thought you were cool when you were, uh,
when I knew you had your own excavator.

2389
01:02:20,895 --> 01:02:21,686
I was like, "Yeah." Yeah,

2390
01:02:23,816 --> 01:02:23,836
yeah.

2391
01:02:23,836 --> 01:02:25,216
That's- That's cool … that's
a b- b- investment worthwhile.

2392
01:02:25,236 --> 01:02:25,796
Um-

2393
01:02:25,806 --> 01:02:26,665
Let's do a couple more.

2394
01:02:26,725 --> 01:02:26,855
Let's, uh-

2395
01:02:26,865 --> 01:02:27,935
Yeah … I'm getting hungry.

2396
01:02:27,935 --> 01:02:31,145
Biggest, biggest waste of money
in, um, biggest waste of money

2397
01:02:31,145 --> 01:02:32,675
that people think is sustainable.

2398
01:02:32,696 --> 01:02:33,026
Cars.

2399
01:02:33,035 --> 01:02:33,775
My excavator.

2400
01:02:35,025 --> 01:02:37,045
No, but no one thinks an
excavator is sustainable.

2401
01:02:37,045 --> 01:02:37,525
Cars.

2402
01:02:37,975 --> 01:02:39,195
Like as in electric cars?

2403
01:02:39,255 --> 01:02:40,395
No, just cars in general.

2404
01:02:40,425 --> 01:02:43,316
But like for, for people- Biggest waste-
… like especially with young, you start a

2405
01:02:43,335 --> 01:02:46,965
business, "Oh, I buy a top car", and bl-
that's where I, where I'm getting at.

2406
01:02:46,975 --> 01:02:47,806
Oh, we'll come to that.

2407
01:02:47,815 --> 01:02:47,845
Okay.

2408
01:02:47,856 --> 01:02:50,426
What's one thing every chippy
should understand about moisture?

2409
01:02:51,205 --> 01:02:54,568
You need to stop it from getting
in your frame And it's gonna

2410
01:02:54,738 --> 01:02:55,618
ruin your building Moisture- So

2411
01:02:55,938 --> 01:02:57,348
like basically building wraps.

2412
01:02:57,378 --> 01:02:57,618
Building

2413
01:02:57,618 --> 01:02:57,658
wraps

2414
01:02:57,818 --> 01:02:58,318
are huge.

2415
01:02:58,438 --> 01:03:01,218
Yeah, no, I, I, I would go as, I
would say as long as it can dry out.

2416
01:03:01,798 --> 01:03:04,288
Wet i- it's like wet i-
wedding is okay as long as

2417
01:03:05,548 --> 01:03:05,568
you-

2418
01:03:05,758 --> 01:03:05,798
Oh, okay.

2419
01:03:05,798 --> 01:03:05,828
You know what?

2420
01:03:05,828 --> 01:03:05,858
I- Dry exceeds

2421
01:03:05,858 --> 01:03:07,978
wedding … I, I he- I hear that,
but let's just- Yeah, don't let

2422
01:03:07,978 --> 01:03:09,637
it, don't complicate … let's
just, let's not confuse it and just

2423
01:03:09,637 --> 01:03:10,727
fucking wrap your building well.

2424
01:03:11,107 --> 01:03:11,257
Yeah.

2425
01:03:11,287 --> 01:03:11,737
Yeah.

2426
01:03:11,737 --> 01:03:11,768
Yeah.

2427
01:03:11,768 --> 01:03:12,417
Just wrap your building.

2428
01:03:12,418 --> 01:03:13,807
Don't overcomplicate

2429
01:03:13,807 --> 01:03:13,817
it.

2430
01:03:13,817 --> 01:03:13,827
Just

2431
01:03:13,827 --> 01:03:13,867
like stop the water.

2432
01:03:13,867 --> 01:03:15,078
And we use Pro Clima products.

2433
01:03:15,078 --> 01:03:15,877
They are a sponsor.

2434
01:03:15,918 --> 01:03:18,067
But like they have so many, and
I'm not saying this 'cause they

2435
01:03:18,068 --> 01:03:20,677
are a sponsor, they have so
many educational free resources.

2436
01:03:20,678 --> 01:03:20,848
Yeah.

2437
01:03:21,207 --> 01:03:24,317
If you're in Victoria, Performance
Membranes now, they do a training course.

2438
01:03:24,607 --> 01:03:26,067
It's free to come learn how to use it.

2439
01:03:26,067 --> 01:03:26,237
Yeah.

2440
01:03:26,237 --> 01:03:26,617
Yeah, okay.

2441
01:03:26,617 --> 01:03:27,448
J- just it's a care thing.

2442
01:03:27,608 --> 01:03:31,407
You, if you're gonna care about putting
the, the, the architrave on or routing

2443
01:03:31,408 --> 01:03:34,797
out the door, there's no difference with
a membrane in caring how you install it.

2444
01:03:34,967 --> 01:03:35,467
Yeah.

2445
01:03:36,377 --> 01:03:38,767
Oh, I'm gonna ask one more serious
question, then we've got this other

2446
01:03:38,768 --> 01:03:39,908
funny little thing at the end.

2447
01:03:39,998 --> 01:03:40,318
But

2448
01:03:42,848 --> 01:03:44,207
Like, it's not as simple as this.

2449
01:03:44,207 --> 01:03:47,738
Like, the emotional cost of caring
this much and actually running your

2450
01:03:47,738 --> 01:03:53,647
business, your building business, based
on values rather than profitability.

2451
01:03:54,457 --> 01:03:56,337
You can still be- Because-
We're, we're still profitable.

2452
01:03:56,388 --> 01:03:58,058
No, but- Yeah … you know what I mean.

2453
01:03:58,067 --> 01:03:58,848
I- You said it already before.

2454
01:03:58,848 --> 01:03:59,047
Yeah.

2455
01:03:59,047 --> 01:03:59,057
No,

2456
01:03:59,057 --> 01:03:59,357
no,

2457
01:03:59,357 --> 01:03:59,548
no.

2458
01:03:59,548 --> 01:04:02,258
I've, I've, I battle with this.

2459
01:04:02,317 --> 01:04:08,017
And, you know, I go to bed at night
time now knowing that- Even though

2460
01:04:09,258 --> 01:04:12,718
I am not making as much money as I
probably could or even that I care

2461
01:04:12,718 --> 01:04:17,817
about it a little bit too much, it, it
means more to me than the money in the

2462
01:04:17,817 --> 01:04:19,227
bank, knowing that I've done it right.

2463
01:04:19,348 --> 01:04:19,658
Yeah, okay.

2464
01:04:19,658 --> 01:04:19,798
'Cause th-

2465
01:04:20,107 --> 01:04:22,787
'
cause I, 'cause I'm, I, as I said
before, I'm dealing with projects

2466
01:04:23,008 --> 01:04:25,948
that I've done in the past which
weren't up to the standard that

2467
01:04:25,948 --> 01:04:27,968
we're doing now, and that, that-

2468
01:04:28,138 --> 01:04:32,577
So it's, so it's a le- it's a, it's
you take a less slight cut, let's just

2469
01:04:32,577 --> 01:04:39,217
say, but the no- the, the long term is
probably gonna be beneficial because

2470
01:04:39,618 --> 01:04:41,788
your, your risk is completely de-risked.

2471
01:04:41,978 --> 01:04:45,078
So in nine years you might get a tap
on the, the, the shoulder and like,

2472
01:04:45,098 --> 01:04:47,307
"Your house is fucked. All the hou-
the roof needs to come off 'cause

2473
01:04:47,307 --> 01:04:50,497
it's all moldy and completely water
damage." We don't have that risk.

2474
01:04:50,747 --> 01:04:51,448
Yeah, okay.

2475
01:04:51,577 --> 01:04:53,388
Like it's completely d- it
shouldn't s- we don't have it.

2476
01:04:53,417 --> 01:04:54,127
It's very-

2477
01:04:54,287 --> 01:04:54,867
Lower, the risk

2478
01:04:54,868 --> 01:04:55,127
is lower.

2479
01:04:55,127 --> 01:04:57,657
So, so we get to sleep at night,
so we don't get… That, that

2480
01:04:57,667 --> 01:05:01,237
number in financial we talk is,
like, mental health side of things.

2481
01:05:01,727 --> 01:05:05,497
Like we, we have a pretty good
work-life balance lifestyle.

2482
01:05:05,508 --> 01:05:07,897
Some people might not think
that we do, but we d- reality

2483
01:05:07,897 --> 01:05:09,848
is we've got a great balance.

2484
01:05:09,857 --> 01:05:09,877
Yeah.

2485
01:05:10,057 --> 01:05:12,737
So how can you factor in those
other things when, when we

2486
01:05:12,737 --> 01:05:14,327
say, "What's the, the risk?"

2487
01:05:14,327 --> 01:05:17,568
And from a company perspective, look,
I think you can still make it money.

2488
01:05:17,568 --> 01:05:21,377
We see other builders like, uh, it seems
like Kyle down in Tassie's making it work.

2489
01:05:21,377 --> 01:05:23,838
You see that Jackson in
his- Luke, Luke Davies.

2490
01:05:23,838 --> 01:05:23,958
Yeah, Luke.

2491
01:05:23,958 --> 01:05:25,377
They're making- Yeah … like,
it's profitable.

2492
01:05:25,377 --> 01:05:26,077
It can work.

2493
01:05:26,397 --> 01:05:27,078
It's just the- Fucking

2494
01:05:27,078 --> 01:05:27,577
hard.

2495
01:05:27,877 --> 01:05:28,477
Anything's hard.

2496
01:05:28,477 --> 01:05:28,557
I don't, I don't even think mine are.

2497
01:05:28,557 --> 01:05:29,337
If it was easy, if it

2498
01:05:29,337 --> 01:05:30,271
was- I don't, I don't, I
don't think what I do is hard

2499
01:05:30,271 --> 01:05:32,827
now … if it was easy,
everyone would be fucking doing

2500
01:05:32,827 --> 01:05:33,021
it.

2501
01:05:33,021 --> 01:05:33,214
No.

2502
01:05:33,214 --> 01:05:33,407
No.

2503
01:05:33,407 --> 01:05:34,447
I don't think what I do is hard, man.

2504
01:05:34,507 --> 01:05:35,587
Yeah, yeah, you just- To make money.

2505
01:05:35,697 --> 01:05:35,967
Yeah.

2506
01:05:36,098 --> 01:05:37,127
Like I focus on profit.

2507
01:05:37,577 --> 01:05:37,787
Yeah.

2508
01:05:37,787 --> 01:05:42,057
I, I, I mean, all I need to do to
make my business profitable is run it

2509
01:05:42,068 --> 01:05:44,557
efficiently and do, do it correctly.

2510
01:05:44,568 --> 01:05:44,598
Like-

2511
01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:46,027
So what's the difference with us then?

2512
01:05:46,217 --> 01:05:47,338
We can still do the same thing.

2513
01:05:47,517 --> 01:05:47,662
More money.

2514
01:05:47,662 --> 01:05:50,987
'Cause I, I'm, I'm- More money … I
make more profit than I did as a builder.

2515
01:05:51,028 --> 01:05:51,777
Yeah, no, no, I'm not, I'm saying

2516
01:05:51,777 --> 01:05:52,497
as a- And I'm de-risked … oh,

2517
01:05:52,627 --> 01:05:53,647
okay, as a builder, yes.

2518
01:05:53,697 --> 01:05:54,537
I'm- Yeah, yeah.

2519
01:05:55,007 --> 01:05:57,987
'Cause I'm not, I'm not functioning
as the principal contractor anymore.

2520
01:05:58,098 --> 01:05:58,308
Yeah.

2521
01:05:58,357 --> 01:05:58,597
Yeah.

2522
01:05:58,767 --> 01:05:59,017
Yeah.

2523
01:05:59,397 --> 01:06:00,157
That's all right.

2524
01:06:00,157 --> 01:06:04,067
I wanted to… I look, I, I, I n-
I just remember what it felt like

2525
01:06:04,068 --> 01:06:07,928
for me trying to do the right thing,
running a building company, trying

2526
01:06:07,928 --> 01:06:09,587
to build better houses and reaching.

2527
01:06:09,977 --> 01:06:12,257
Archi- And the fucking toll it took on me.

2528
01:06:12,477 --> 01:06:12,885
You're doing very

2529
01:06:12,885 --> 01:06:14,947
high- I couldn't handle it … you're
doing very high in architecturals, and

2530
01:06:14,947 --> 01:06:18,077
that is where I think the problem is,
and you've spoken about this before.

2531
01:06:18,278 --> 01:06:21,928
Mm. I think there's a huge difference
in the level of s- I see it visibly

2532
01:06:21,938 --> 01:06:26,398
from my team on site, the Abbey
contract versus a non-Abbey contract.

2533
01:06:26,438 --> 01:06:29,908
The team, when it's in, uh, our
contract, the client relationships

2534
01:06:29,908 --> 01:06:33,598
are better, the, the mood on site is
a lot better, there's less eggshells

2535
01:06:33,598 --> 01:06:36,647
to walk on, and there's just a more
positive input attitude from everyone.

2536
01:06:36,837 --> 01:06:37,077
Yeah.

2537
01:06:37,108 --> 01:06:40,668
And I think that is something that…
And I've done Abbey contracts that have

2538
01:06:40,677 --> 01:06:44,974
worked perfectly and fine, but I think
that is a big a big thing when we talk

2539
01:06:44,984 --> 01:06:48,394
about the type of builds because you just
weren't doing the average build either.

2540
01:06:48,774 --> 01:06:50,464
No, there was a lot of bespoke-

2541
01:06:50,734 --> 01:06:51,234
Exactly

2542
01:06:51,244 --> 01:06:52,154
… 
fabrication- Ex-

2543
01:06:52,154 --> 01:06:52,323
yeah

2544
01:06:52,323 --> 01:06:54,354
carpentry, all kinds of- So
that comes at a cost too.

2545
01:06:54,564 --> 01:06:54,714
Yeah.

2546
01:06:54,784 --> 01:06:55,154
That's like- And how do

2547
01:06:55,154 --> 01:06:56,174
you, how do you probably approach that?

2548
01:06:56,594 --> 01:06:57,154
Badly.

2549
01:06:57,154 --> 01:06:57,174
You're guessing.

2550
01:06:57,174 --> 01:06:57,524
You're like-

2551
01:06:57,563 --> 01:06:59,264
And we, we- Badly … I,
I don't do those jobs I

2552
01:06:59,264 --> 01:07:00,244
price them all poorly, yeah.

2553
01:07:00,244 --> 01:07:03,023
Yeah, I don't do those jobs because
they're just, I look at them and go, "Why?

2554
01:07:03,073 --> 01:07:04,163
They're not fucking
possible." It's too fucking

2555
01:07:04,164 --> 01:07:04,423
hard, man.

2556
01:07:04,434 --> 01:07:04,654
Yeah.

2557
01:07:04,713 --> 01:07:05,414
All right, quick fire.

2558
01:07:05,564 --> 01:07:05,594
Hit

2559
01:07:05,594 --> 01:07:05,614
me.

2560
01:07:05,614 --> 01:07:05,884
All right.

2561
01:07:05,944 --> 01:07:06,814
Rapid fire, let's go.

2562
01:07:06,894 --> 01:07:07,324
Rapid fire

2563
01:07:08,758 --> 01:07:10,308
Mindful or mindless?

2564
01:07:10,778 --> 01:07:12,998
So I'm gonna say a thing,
and then you're gonna decide.

2565
01:07:12,998 --> 01:07:16,008
We've got two control questions to
start with, so to get a, an idea.

2566
01:07:16,337 --> 01:07:17,357
Blower door test.

2567
01:07:17,558 --> 01:07:17,968
Mindful.

2568
01:07:18,048 --> 01:07:18,377
Mindful.

2569
01:07:18,397 --> 01:07:18,798
All right.

2570
01:07:19,828 --> 01:07:20,718
Buying another ute.

2571
01:07:20,718 --> 01:07:21,038
Mindless.

2572
01:07:21,038 --> 01:07:21,837
Mindless.

2573
01:07:21,988 --> 01:07:22,468
All right.

2574
01:07:22,848 --> 01:07:23,531
Now the third question- De- or it depends.

2575
01:07:23,531 --> 01:07:23,798
It depends … yeah,

2576
01:07:23,798 --> 01:07:24,218
depends.

2577
01:07:24,448 --> 01:07:27,118
Buying a machine or, or a tool for a job.

2578
01:07:27,957 --> 01:07:29,187
Depends on the situation.

2579
01:07:29,198 --> 01:07:29,888
Or mindless.

2580
01:07:29,888 --> 01:07:31,178
I'm gonna go, no, you gotta pick one.

2581
01:07:31,237 --> 01:07:31,877
I'm gonna go mindless.

2582
01:07:31,877 --> 01:07:32,268
N- mindless.

2583
01:07:32,277 --> 01:07:34,518
I'm gonna say mindful.

2584
01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:34,812
Yeah,

2585
01:07:34,812 --> 01:07:38,028
there's no, there's, uh- Yep … you,
you will always justify it.

2586
01:07:38,028 --> 01:07:38,607
You never would.

2587
01:07:38,607 --> 01:07:38,717
No,

2588
01:07:38,718 --> 01:07:39,107
no, because

2589
01:07:39,107 --> 01:07:40,937
I'd like, I would like just outsource it.

2590
01:07:41,067 --> 01:07:42,867
Yeah, yeah, this, th-
this is my guy over here.

2591
01:07:42,877 --> 01:07:43,317
Yeah.

2592
01:07:43,317 --> 01:07:44,987
I'm just, I'm, I'm, I'll buy the tools.

2593
01:07:45,078 --> 01:07:45,498
Yeah.

2594
01:07:45,677 --> 01:07:48,227
Um, posting a reel instead
of doing an invoice.

2595
01:07:50,058 --> 01:07:51,597
Come on, 'cause you
guys are big on socials.

2596
01:07:52,757 --> 01:07:53,787
Mi- Mindless

2597
01:07:54,577 --> 01:07:55,927
Mi- mindful- Yeah … 'cause
it could bring in

2598
01:07:55,927 --> 01:07:56,397
the next client.

2599
01:07:56,397 --> 01:07:59,467
'
Cause my reels- There you go … my
reels, my reels- No … uh,

2600
01:07:59,677 --> 01:08:02,677
happen outside of work hours, so.

2601
01:08:02,677 --> 01:08:04,717
Yeah, I spend only three
hours on my socials a week.

2602
01:08:04,738 --> 01:08:06,987
Invoice- Yeah … invoicing's
sort of done, you know- Okay

2603
01:08:07,897 --> 01:08:08,067
… 
normal work hours.

2604
01:08:08,067 --> 01:08:09,627
And, yeah, invoice- invoicing is easy.

2605
01:08:09,827 --> 01:08:11,978
We don't, I probably don't send,
spend, send as many invoices-

2606
01:08:12,007 --> 01:08:12,467
Yeah … as what you do.

2607
01:08:12,547 --> 01:08:12,857
Yeah.

2608
01:08:13,097 --> 01:08:13,967
No, we do a lot of invoicing.

2609
01:08:14,038 --> 01:08:14,967
Yeah, I don't do much invoicing.

2610
01:08:15,177 --> 01:08:16,838
No, you guys would be- Progress
claims … every fucking

2611
01:08:16,838 --> 01:08:17,947
eight- Pro- progress
claim … eight weeks or

2612
01:08:17,947 --> 01:08:18,167
something

2613
01:08:18,407 --> 01:08:18,747
… 
yeah.

2614
01:08:18,747 --> 01:08:18,767
Send it.

2615
01:08:18,767 --> 01:08:19,398
Yeah, which is shit.

2616
01:08:19,457 --> 01:08:19,657
Yeah.

2617
01:08:19,657 --> 01:08:20,328
Yeah.

2618
01:08:20,328 --> 01:08:21,017
I don't miss that.

2619
01:08:21,097 --> 01:08:22,727
Oh, fuck, I'm in

2620
01:08:23,207 --> 01:08:23,437
the… Yep.

2621
01:08:23,437 --> 01:08:24,948
All right, don't get too
technical on this, Kyland.

2622
01:08:25,048 --> 01:08:25,758
Triple glazing.

2623
01:08:26,997 --> 01:08:27,627
It depends.

2624
01:08:27,688 --> 01:08:28,098
Mindless.

2625
01:08:28,098 --> 01:08:28,133
No.

2626
01:08:28,133 --> 01:08:28,918
No, no, no, no, no.

2627
01:08:28,918 --> 01:08:29,028
Mindless?

2628
01:08:29,048 --> 01:08:30,718
I'm saying mindful 100%.

2629
01:08:30,747 --> 01:08:32,197
I'm, I'm, I think I'm
with you on mindless.

2630
01:08:32,197 --> 01:08:32,807
Mindful.

2631
01:08:33,067 --> 01:08:34,438
Like you, like living in a window.

2632
01:08:34,438 --> 01:08:35,178
I don't think it's required.

2633
01:08:36,067 --> 01:08:39,237
I think double glazing, you,
it's just diminishing returns.

2634
01:08:39,337 --> 01:08:40,267
Sound, the sound.

2635
01:08:40,657 --> 01:08:40,877
Yeah.

2636
01:08:40,877 --> 01:08:41,237
Okay.

2637
01:08:41,328 --> 01:08:43,258
I mean- Well, even with
sound, it's better- Oh … to

2638
01:08:43,258 --> 01:08:44,697
have… Now I can be nerdy.

2639
01:08:44,697 --> 01:08:44,947
Yeah.

2640
01:08:45,097 --> 01:08:47,457
It's better to have two
differing layers of glass.

2641
01:08:47,457 --> 01:08:47,677
Yes.

2642
01:08:47,707 --> 01:08:50,108
Uh, d- differing thicknesses, layers
of glass than to have triple glazing.

2643
01:08:50,137 --> 01:08:50,417
Yeah.

2644
01:08:50,417 --> 01:08:53,127
Yes, I, yeah, I, I, I understand
that, but there's all… Yes.

2645
01:08:53,137 --> 01:08:54,157
I can be a nerd sometimes.

2646
01:08:54,157 --> 01:08:54,397
Yeah.

2647
01:08:54,807 --> 01:08:56,917
Um, arguing in Instagram comments.

2648
01:08:57,017 --> 01:08:57,647
Mindless.

2649
01:08:57,677 --> 01:08:58,187
Mindful.

2650
01:09:01,137 --> 01:09:01,988
Could have predicted that.

2651
01:09:02,617 --> 01:09:04,467
Uh, knocking off early for beers.

2652
01:09:04,727 --> 01:09:04,897
Mindful.

2653
01:09:04,898 --> 01:09:07,357
Well, you don't drink, but or
well for the boys and- Mindful.

2654
01:09:07,387 --> 01:09:08,562
Uh, mindful, definitely.

2655
01:09:08,562 --> 01:09:08,857
Mindful.

2656
01:09:08,857 --> 01:09:09,127
Yeah, yeah.

2657
01:09:09,127 --> 01:09:09,437
Yeah.

2658
01:09:09,648 --> 01:09:12,207
I think there's a bit of a
stereotype around that, you know?

2659
01:09:12,207 --> 01:09:12,277
Yeah.

2660
01:09:12,277 --> 01:09:13,187
But it's actually good.

2661
01:09:13,227 --> 01:09:13,477
Yeah.

2662
01:09:13,537 --> 01:09:13,797
You know?

2663
01:09:14,067 --> 01:09:14,157
Or the Negroni.

2664
01:09:14,157 --> 01:09:14,957
Just knocking, knocking off early.

2665
01:09:14,957 --> 01:09:15,442
You know what

2666
01:09:15,442 --> 01:09:15,766
I mean?

2667
01:09:15,766 --> 01:09:18,028
Like wh- whether you- Yeah … put
a beer or whether you put a-

2668
01:09:18,097 --> 01:09:19,487
Negroni … coffee on or whatever.

2669
01:09:19,518 --> 01:09:19,538
Yeah.

2670
01:09:19,658 --> 01:09:21,237
A p- pub meal, whatever it is, yeah.

2671
01:09:21,277 --> 01:09:21,507
Yeah.

2672
01:09:21,587 --> 01:09:24,177
Mm, working Saturday
because you misquoted a job.

2673
01:09:24,537 --> 01:09:25,137
Mindless.

2674
01:09:26,087 --> 01:09:28,537
Mi- well, I don't, I couldn't do
the last- Sometimes you have to

2675
01:09:28,537 --> 01:09:30,857
c- well, I couldn't do the last
time I worked a Saturday on a job.

2676
01:09:30,857 --> 01:09:31,117
Yeah.

2677
01:09:31,117 --> 01:09:31,137
You

2678
01:09:31,197 --> 01:09:31,878
should be able to get your shit

2679
01:09:31,887 --> 01:09:32,057
done on the day.

2680
01:09:32,057 --> 01:09:33,198
Saturdays, Saturdays are my joint.

2681
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:33,757
Yeah.

2682
01:09:33,768 --> 01:09:34,807
Building your own house.

2683
01:09:35,107 --> 01:09:35,397
Mindful.

2684
01:09:35,577 --> 01:09:35,837
Mindful.

2685
01:09:36,497 --> 01:09:36,917
All right.

2686
01:09:37,087 --> 01:09:37,927
Starting a podcast.

2687
01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:37,997
Mindful.

2688
01:09:38,367 --> 01:09:39,027
Mindful.

2689
01:09:40,188 --> 01:09:41,287
Letting me host your podcast.

2690
01:09:41,287 --> 01:09:41,518
Mindful.

2691
01:09:41,518 --> 01:09:42,018
Mindful.

2692
01:09:42,237 --> 01:09:42,767
Hey.

2693
01:09:42,908 --> 01:09:43,297
All right.

2694
01:09:43,347 --> 01:09:43,577
Definitely.

2695
01:09:43,578 --> 01:09:44,517
I thought you were gonna say mindless.

2696
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:46,870
All right.

2697
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:49,690
Well, boys, unfortunately we did
accidentally learn something,

2698
01:09:49,690 --> 01:09:51,880
so I apologize to the listeners.

2699
01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:53,640
This has been The Mindless Builder.

2700
01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:58,000
Same c- podcast, same podcast,
less science, more damage.

2701
01:09:58,069 --> 01:09:58,960
Thanks for letting me hijack.

2702
01:09:59,689 --> 01:10:00,000
Thanks, Joel.

2703
01:10:00,010 --> 01:10:05,430
Um, we do have to finish with one
segment, Mindful Moment, MEGT, Australia's

2704
01:10:05,430 --> 01:10:07,209
leading apprenticeship experts.

2705
01:10:07,299 --> 01:10:08,149
I can go here.

2706
01:10:08,219 --> 01:10:08,570
Yeah, go.

2707
01:10:08,629 --> 01:10:09,579
Because, um- The

2708
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:10,229
whole episode?

2709
01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:10,850
Yeah.

2710
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:14,020
No, I just think the whole episode,
but also the f- and this is what I find

2711
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:15,510
really interesting about you, Joel.

2712
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:19,879
As a ch- as a carpenter, or as an
apprentice and then a carpenter, like,

2713
01:10:19,879 --> 01:10:23,650
the, the transition is to then the g-
the holy grail is and become a builder.

2714
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:26,209
You've got there and realized, "Oh
shit, I don't like it up here."

2715
01:10:26,749 --> 01:10:30,469
And I think m- my messaging now
is that that is absolutely okay.

2716
01:10:30,629 --> 01:10:30,889
Yeah.

2717
01:10:30,889 --> 01:10:34,129
'
Cause I look at you now, and I actually
remember distinctly chatting with your

2718
01:10:34,129 --> 01:10:38,189
brother, probably just after COVID,
that we were just waxing lyrical about

2719
01:10:38,190 --> 01:10:39,829
how fucking shit the industry was.

2720
01:10:39,899 --> 01:10:40,179
Yeah.

2721
01:10:40,209 --> 01:10:41,649
And he was saying this before I met you.

2722
01:10:42,139 --> 01:10:46,310
And Andre's like, "Joel's just decided
to get out of it. He's doing insurance

2723
01:10:46,319 --> 01:10:47,690
stuff now. He's fucking jacked of it."

2724
01:10:47,819 --> 01:10:48,209
Yeah.

2725
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:51,780
And I remember listening to that going,
"Fucking wonder if I could do that." But

2726
01:10:51,809 --> 01:10:56,410
I guess what I'm trying to say is that
you are the epitome of it being okay- Yeah

2727
01:10:56,410 --> 01:10:58,899
to take a step back and
then enjoy life a bit more.

2728
01:10:58,949 --> 01:10:59,359
Yeah.

2729
01:10:59,359 --> 01:11:01,269
Yeah, I think you've just got
to know, like, where you sit.

2730
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:01,299
Yeah.

2731
01:11:01,739 --> 01:11:02,009
You know?

2732
01:11:02,010 --> 01:11:03,049
And what works for you, right?

2733
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:03,350
Yeah.

2734
01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:06,129
And just because you're seeing
big businesses doing these awesome

2735
01:11:06,129 --> 01:11:09,040
projects on Instagram doesn't mean
it's always fun or profitable.

2736
01:11:09,309 --> 01:11:09,360
Yeah, true.

2737
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,819
Man, it's okay to do $3 million a year.

2738
01:11:11,819 --> 01:11:12,899
It's okay to do a million.

2739
01:11:12,910 --> 01:11:14,979
It's okay to do, like, 600 grand.

2740
01:11:15,050 --> 01:11:15,360
Yeah.

2741
01:11:15,419 --> 01:11:18,129
Like, wherever you're comfortable
and what works for you, just fuck it.

2742
01:11:18,129 --> 01:11:18,297
It's

2743
01:11:18,297 --> 01:11:20,189
okay to do 100K if it's just pure profit.

2744
01:11:20,189 --> 01:11:20,679
Yeah.

2745
01:11:20,679 --> 01:11:21,779
Yeah, that's right.

2746
01:11:21,779 --> 01:11:24,019
Yeah, and you're working, like,
you know- Yeah, yeah … 25

2747
01:11:24,019 --> 01:11:24,409
hours a week or something.

2748
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:25,330
Yeah, exactly.

2749
01:11:25,480 --> 01:11:27,919
It's okay just to, just
to trade Bitcoin as well.

2750
01:11:28,580 --> 01:11:31,379
Well, my wife would be better
at that than me, but…

2751
01:11:32,289 --> 01:11:32,869
I've never done it before.

2752
01:11:33,719 --> 01:11:34,899
I just wanted to sound smart.

2753
01:11:34,969 --> 01:11:36,200
Depends on the capital gains rules.

2754
01:11:38,219 --> 01:11:38,419
Oh,

2755
01:11:42,409 --> 01:11:42,439
fuck.

2756
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:42,449
Oh.

2757
01:11:42,449 --> 01:11:42,569
Don't start.

2758
01:11:42,569 --> 01:11:42,659
No,

2759
01:11:42,659 --> 01:11:44,219
no, no, no, no.

2760
01:11:44,219 --> 01:11:44,299
This is Mindless.

2761
01:11:44,299 --> 01:11:44,409
This is gonna go Mindless.

2762
01:11:44,409 --> 01:11:44,479
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2763
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:45,369
I just knew- No, no,
no … that would get him going.

2764
01:11:45,409 --> 01:11:45,499
No,

2765
01:11:46,019 --> 01:11:46,249
nah.

2766
01:11:46,389 --> 01:11:46,539
He,

2767
01:11:46,539 --> 01:11:47,239
he gets me.

2768
01:11:47,319 --> 01:11:48,519
Like shoots fish in a barrel.

2769
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:48,830
Tracey,

2770
01:11:48,899 --> 01:11:50,360
turn, t- turn, turn it off because
I want to talk about… Turn it off.

2771
01:11:52,149 --> 01:11:52,649
Thanks, guys.

2772
01:11:52,649 --> 01:11:53,199
Thanks, mate.

2773
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:53,739
Thank you