Speaker 1 00:00:05 Hey there, thoughtful listener. Are you looking for introductions to partners, investors, influencers and clients? Well, I've had private conversations with over 2000 leaders asking them where their best business comes from. I've got a free video you can watch with no opt in required, where I'll share the exact steps necessary to be 100% inbound in your industry over the next 6 to 8 months, with no spam, no ads, and no sales. What I teach has worked for me for over 15 years and has helped me create eight figures in revenue for my own companies. Just head to up my influence comm and watch my free class on how to create endless high ticket sales appointments. Also, don't forget the thoughtful entrepreneur is always looking for great guests. Go to up my influence. Com and click on podcast. I'd love to have you. With us right now it is Nick Smith. Nick, you are the president of Loud Canvas. Nick. You're found on the web at Loud canvas.com. Thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 2 00:01:18 Josh, thanks so much for having me today.

Speaker 1 00:01:19 Yeah. Well give us an overview of what you do at Loud Canvas, who you serve and the impact you have in the world.

Speaker 2 00:01:25 Sure. Well, Loud Canvas media is a little over 20 years old. We've worked with Main Street America brands all the way up to Madison Avenue, fortune 100 brands that you'd probably recognize if I said their names. and we've got a little over 1000 websites that we support on an ongoing basis, as well as, that's distributed across about 400 active clients, currently. And so a lot of Canvas Media Group is a group of companies that include, you know, different industries, but we all serve, the same sort of services marketing, full service marketing, from discovery and strategy all the way to implementation, implementation data and reporting and analytics.

Speaker 1 00:02:05 All right. So I would imagine then you know at your your time with loud canvas. And you know in this industry you've been seeing some evolution taking place. You know, especially if we're, you know, in the area of marketing, advertising, all of that.

Speaker 1 00:02:22 What don't you seeing trend wise right now in your world, that that has, maybe picked up a lot of speed or momentum this year?

Speaker 2 00:02:32 Yeah. Well, we're seeing a lot of brands, whether small or large, focusing more on user generated content. everyone is really looking for, you know, how can I be more present within my audience base? How can I get my brand message out there, amplify it more loudly and for cheaper costs? and so, you know, you've seen a large uptick in, you know, TikTok reels or Instagram Reels, you know, a lot of video content, and, and content that's created specifically by the users of the products. And you know, that's fantastic. You see a lot of great returns when you do that. You've got the patient or you've got the customer, depending on what your audience is, voice being represented in a unique way and speaking the exact same language as your other ideal customer targets. but really, the next step from there is the ability to track and, you know, compare how well those videos or those different types of media modalities are doing.

Speaker 2 00:03:27 not only in, in, in market against one another in terms of, you know, impressions and clicks and average views. But, you know, also what happens afterwards, you know, what is taking place post interaction on that media content within your ecosystem, whether that be your website, whether that be your, your appointment booking or your phone's being called.

Speaker 1 00:03:49 Yeah. so just covering the services that I see on your website and by the way, your friend that's listening, if you go to loud canvas.com, you'll see exactly what I'm seeing here. But, I mean, everything from, you know, obviously paid advertising, pay per click advertising, SEO. it looks like you get into social media, video photography, these I mean, that's quite a broad suite of services that you're able to provide.

Speaker 2 00:04:19 Sure. Well, you know, we started, really just boots on the ground in only a few services. Primarily web support, web design and development. and over time, we found that our clients really needed, a marketing partner that they could rely on to help deliver, you know, a full suite of services at an accessible, you know, more affordable, rate.

Speaker 2 00:04:39 And so that's really how we became a full service, digital marketing company. you know, by listening to the customers and saying, wow. Well, you know, you said you came in here and you needed, Facebook ads, but it turns out, or you needed a website, but it turns out that you also need, headshots for your bios, or you also need a video to post on that Facebook. And, and certainly we'd love to help you figure that that problem out.

Speaker 1 00:05:01 Yeah. And you, do you mind sharing just a little bit more about the scope of work that you've done? and, you know, maybe someone that said, you know, okay, let's go ahead and invest in this effort or this initiative. And what are some of the what's some of the work that you've done that you've seen the biggest or most stark transformation? I don't know, maybe something that's kind of emotionally satisfying to participate in.

Speaker 2 00:05:31 Oh, well, I, you know, we find a lot of value in, in all of the work that we do.

Speaker 2 00:05:36 And it's kind of a part of who we are as a company, a core, core kind of value of who we are is taking every approach from a real humanistic point of view. And so one of our core values, is that we actually, are, indebted to those who have entrusted us with their business. Right. And so we feel very passionate about the work that we're doing because we recognize that it's somebodies, business and it's somebody's dollars and cents that somebody's Christmas. oftentimes that's on the line. And so the, the satisfaction satisfaction comes in every aspect. But I would say starting with strategy and understanding what is the business owner or the brand managers needs. and what are their goals? you know, that that tends to be something that people say, but when you actually spend time diving into it and understanding what it is that they're trying to accomplish, you recognize that there's a lot of, you know, human needs, the the natural experience that we have in society. shared common, common experiences that are driving what it is that we're trying to accomplish.

Speaker 2 00:06:35 And so seeing the satisfaction of a business owner who is worried about how they're going to get, you know, new customers, new appointments, books, when we show them that we generated 25 new quality customers for them this month, you know, something that keeps us moving, seeing patients get on therapy for, you know, those those of our, our client brands who are bringing new products to launch, that are trying to make a difference, you know, in, in, in those who are sick. and so watching six sick people get well, helping new patients get on on therapy, that's something that keeps us moving, watching small business owners scale and go from how do we acquire new clients to how do we acquire new staff members. It changes their lives, right. And so, you know, again, going back to that humanistic idea, you watch them go from, you know, concerned about how they're going to, to keep their staff, to concern about how they're going to attract new staff.

Speaker 2 00:07:27 and you watch them as they post on their Facebook, you know, fun family vacation where their business is running kind of automatically in the background without them. When, you know, six months ago or 12 months ago, they were in the heat of it, trying to solve some serious problems and were losing sleep, wondering how they were going to make it out of it. those are the things that really, that really excite us and keep us moving on the day to day.

Speaker 1 00:07:49 so I know that, for our friend that's been listening to our conversation, you know, it can be challenging, to, to choose a partner. And I think, I think if I speak for, You know, most entrepreneurs that have been in this space for a decade or more, we've we've all likely been burned. You know, we've we've all invested in something that hasn't worked out. And that's really frustrating. Are there any maybe tips or tricks that you would recommend to to make sure that if you're going to hire a marketing solutions provider or consultant, like, how can we de-risk that a little bit?

Speaker 2 00:08:32 Yeah, it's about managing the perceived likelihood of achievement.

Speaker 2 00:08:35 Right. And then monitoring, you know, am I getting the results that I expected that I was promised? You know, oftentimes we'll deal with a situation where a client will come to us and they'll be running, you know, paid media. And the only reporting mechanism that they have on that is by the vendor who's running it for them. and so, you know, we like to say that's a lot like having the fox guard the hen house. if the person who's doing the performance ads is reporting on the performance, then it doesn't leave much room for for you to actually quantify that and qualify it to see if it's truly hitting the goals that you were looking to see. And so oftentimes one way that you can de, you know, you can kind of mitigate risk or de-escalate some of that risk is by having an independent, data capture and analytics system that's allowing you to see what's happening, as opposed to rely on the vendor themselves to report on it and tell you how well they're doing.

Speaker 1 00:09:28 I like that, I like that.

Speaker 1 00:09:30 So the question is, is almost like, and even just, you know, being insistent upon how will we know by month three, month six, month 12 that this is successful? How can we measure that so that we can make course corrections if necessary? And it's almost like working. I mean, I'm just kind of thinking this out, but I, you know, I know we've done this, you know, we've gotten wiser, but just like, you know, you know, and also, plans like, you know, if we, you know, what are those? what's the word I'm thinking? Not mitigation, you know, just, gosh, you know, if this doesn't work, we got a plan B like that, we can solve that. So, like, if we don't hit this matrix, like, what would you advise us to do? Like, those are really good questions.

Speaker 2 00:10:23 Yeah. Again starting with.

Speaker 1 00:10:25 Contingency. That's the word I was thinking of. Goodness.

Speaker 1 00:10:28 Not a terribly difficult one.

Speaker 2 00:10:29 And I know that we're speaking, you know, kind of generically. But I would say when you start with a real sound strategy, you put together a roadmap, you understand, hey, here are the target, audiences that we're trying to reach. Here's the goals that we hope to achieve. You can start to work out a formula where you can say, you know, what is it going to cost to reach? How many touch points is it going to take? what do we expect? The conversion rate, what does industry standard conversion rates look like. And then you can start to math out, you know, what is this going to cost. How should I estimate if I want ten new books. you know, cash collected agreements. it's going to take me maybe 15 or 20 actual books appointments, which means it's going to take me 100 digital downloads or however that that sequence looks. Again, speaking generically here, but there is a formula and you don't have to go in blind and you can hold, you know, if you're if you're working with multiple vendors and you're doing multiple media buys, you have a different set of modalities, a segmented marketing approach by way of maybe TV, radio, brochures, in-person field agents, as well as digital web, you know, websites, phone calls, Facebook's things of that nature.

Speaker 2 00:11:42 then, you know, yes, those contingency plans are important, being able to qualify the traffic that's coming from each and every single one of those marketing efforts, being able to understand what the level of effort went in for you to put that marketing effort out there, and if you're getting that return on your investment is crucial. I don't know how how else you can, you know, run your business without having access to to those insights.

Speaker 1 00:12:04 Yeah. Loud canvas. Com to a friend that's listening. Where do they go from here? What would you recommend they do?

Speaker 2 00:12:11 Well, you know, we just, like making relationships, partners, partnering up with other business owners, people who are out there making a difference in the world again. we have a mission. We want to make our communities better. We want to thrive within the work that we do. And we want our creatives to be excited about the work that they're doing. and so, you know, we love the Super Bowl ads and all of the fantastic, you know, things that make us smile when we see advertising and marketing done well.

Speaker 2 00:12:36 and then behind every single one of those ads is made by a creative who, you know, had to come up with that. And so keeping those creatives excited about the mission and the work that they're doing. and so if you've got something that you're passionate about, if you've got a business that you feel like is bringing value to your local community, in one way or another, you stand out, you're unique, and you need help in any way. we're always just open for a free conversation. Just just to just to see what it might be and how we might be able to help you. And so you can head over to Loud canvas.com. There's a chat bubble there at the bottom of the website, and I'm on the other side of it, and I'd love to have that conversation with you and just see if there's anything we can do to help you out.

Speaker 3 00:13:11 Nick Smith.

Speaker 1 00:13:12 Your website loud canvas.com. Nick, it's been a great conversation. Thank you so much for joining us. Josh.

Speaker 2 00:13:19 Thanks for having me.

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