In this episode, we're going to respond to a message that we had left for us on our SpeakPipe page. So let's have a listen to the message. Hi, I had massive panic attacks about 10 years ago, which I cannot seem to get over. I think total overwhelmment from, um, divorce, three jobs, building a house, just too much stress, really. And it all came out in my car. Um, I've tried various hypnotherapists, I'm now going out with a driving instructor, which I did years ago. Nothing seems to, to help, sadly. So thank you so much for leaving that message, because that gives us. Plenty to be, to be talking about I'm responding to. Yeah. And it's, it's, we're going to probably tackle all of it, but at the same time, we'll just do it bit by bit and what we noticed and what we heard. Yeah, definitely. I'm starting off with the fact that. You actually have a really great awareness that the cause of the problem is not your drive in. The cause of the problem. Came back to that period in your life. About 10 years ago, where you just had so much going on that life was incredibly. Stressful. No, because the thing is with, we've talked about this before, haven't we. The thing is when somebody is a driver and they're an experienced driver. Then they often do some of their driving on autopilot. And what that means is that freeze up thinking space. So you're driving, you're very aware of what's going on around you, but at the same time, you do have a bit of spare capacity. That means that sometimes you're thinking about other things in your life. Now I feel life is incredibly stressful. Then those are the things you tend to think about your, you know, this is a time where maybe you're on your own. You're alone with your thoughts. You're trying to problem solve some of the things that are going on in your life. What can I do about this? What can I do about that? And it's those thoughts, those thinking about those stressful things. That then leave you feeling. I don't sure. Yes. And to the point where actually you can start to feel really panicky. Now of course it's. If this is going on while you're driving, that's terrifying. Isn't it. Well, yeah. And it's, it's almost like, um, you've created an anchor for yourself. Where everything in your life is happening. And it's all come to a head almost while you're driving. Yeah. The anchor is, as soon as I'm driving. That place or that speed or doing whatever it is that road, that type of road. That's the anchor that you start to think of. Oh, no, this panic attack is going to happen again. Yes, because it's sort of like when I did this, I fell like this. Now our brain sets us up is all about survival and actually not just survival. It's all about trying to avoid those really uncomfortable things that go on. So your brain's gone. We don't ever want to repeat that experience. That was horrible. Um, let's not do that again. And in your brain. Sort of like a portions owl, the blame onto the activity, which was the driving. Whereas actually it would have been much more. I'm cure. If your brain had apportioned the blame. To thinking about stressful things in your life. Yeah. But it doesn't, it always goes to the activity first. Yeah. That's it. And so it's set you aren't with this association, like kept, says. An anchor and association with drive in wherever you were or whatever speed you were with those feelings. And this then has a knock-on effect. And for you, this has had a knock on effect for, for many years. Thank you for listening. Find out about the different ways that you can work with us on our website, www.confidentdrivers.co.uk, and begin to transform the way you feel about driving.