What if I told you that one of the simplest tools you might

be overlooking could drastically transform how your architecture

business gets found online.

I'm joined by Melanie Boyland to help you make the best use

of Google business profiles.

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Now let's talk about Google business profiles.

Melanie Boylan is an award winning social media trainer, digital marketer, speaker,

journalist, and award winning podcaster with the Monday Morning Marketing Podcast,

and has been training and managing social media accounts for business since 2013.

Melanie is also a Google Business Profile Specialist.

To learn more about how Melanie Can help you in your business.

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Melanie, welcome to Architecture Business Club.

Hi, thanks for having me.

No, it's a pleasure to have you here.

I believe that outside of work, you're, um, you're quite into space and science as

one of your areas of interest, aren't you?

Could we, could we talk a little bit about that?

Um, I've always had a personal interest as a child.

Um, and then when I had my first child, I had the opportunity

to share that passion with her.

And we, we, we're based in, um, the Republic of Ireland.

And from a very early age, her and her younger sister were being dragged up to

Burr Castle, which is an old observatory.

We've got Dunsink Observatory over here in the Republic.

And then up in Northern Ireland, we've got Armagh Planetarium.

Um, and then when my daughter was nine years old, she approached me and said,

I'd like to, to do something like you do.

Um, I'd like to write a blog or have a website or something like that.

And we're talking a nine year old here.

But we thought, let's explore this.

And she came back to us and said, I'd really like to

talk about space and science.

So we set up a website.

And she started a YouTube channel and she started talking as about,

um, STEM and space and science.

And over the course of about three years, using my connections as a journalist

and my passion in space and science, we managed to meet astronauts, Nora

Patton and the, the Mars scientists.

Um, we went over to the jet propulsion laboratory in California, um, and Um,

we, we just did a lot of space and sciency related things and she actually

wrote blogs for the Arma planetarium and did reviews and yeah, she did really,

really well for about three years.

And then sadly she started secondary school and that was

also the same time as COVID hit.

Um, so that kind of all came to a standstill, but the

interest is still there,

Oh, that sounds absolutely amazing.

My, um, my son, my, my 12 year old son, he he's really into

space and science as well.

Actually.

Uh, he's got a telescope.

He doesn't have a YouTube channel or anything like that, but it's

definitely one of his keen interests.

Actually it's a really.

I guess it's a really exciting time at the moment, isn't it?

Space travel.

You've got like Blue Origin and, um, see, you've got Virgin, Richard

Branson and Virgin Galactic.

And what's the other big, the big one as well?

Because you've got Jeff SpaceX.

That's the other one I'm thinking of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Some really exciting stuff going on in the world of space travel at the minute.

What makes it more, um, exciting right now though is

because we're heading back to the Moon and now we've got Gateway coming, um,

along which is going to be incredible.

It's, that's going to then be a jumping zone from the Moon to directly to Mars.

Oh, wow.

Do you know when the They're scheduled to get to the moon then, what

year is it that they're planning?

Yeah, it was initially scheduled for 2025 but

it keeps on getting pushed out.

Um, so it may still be 2025, but honestly, most people think it's going to be 26.

Yeah, that's going to be so exciting.

We're going to talk today though.

We could talk about that for a while.

Cause I'm like sort of nerd out a bit, get onto the subject of space.

But we're going to talk about Google business profiles so that

architecture firm owners can learn.

Why they're so important and how they can make best use of them as

part of their marketing strategy.

So I think a really good place to start would just be with the basics.

So could you, could you tell me what is a Google business profile?

It's a product of Google.

So any product of Google will always get found in search first.

Um, as you know, YouTube is also a Google product as well.

So that gets found in search as well.

And.

It's, I mean, it used to be called Google my business, um, but due to a

massive safety issue, um, about five, six years ago, it's unsurprisingly

got sunsetted and replaced a year later by Google business profile.

Um, what it does is it helps.

Build an online presence for you, even if you don't have a website.

Um, now I personally have the standpoint that you should always have a website

first anyway, but if you don't have one, certainly at the beginning, um, Google

business profile is a fantastic secondary place to put your business online.

Um, it can be discoverable, um, Using lots of different search terms, as

long as you fully optimize the profile, and it helps you get found, um, using

images, using links, because you can also put your social links up there.

It can also help you get found using blogs, and obviously you've got the calls

and directions as well available there.

Cool.

So, so basically when we, when we use Google to search for something, um, The

Google business profile is like when we go on maps and we're searching for say a

local business, that the Google business profile is that listing that comes up

that features in Google search results.

And often the stacked right at the top, you mentioned they get prioritized.

They can be right at the top of the page.

And then also, if we're looking on Google maps.

Those business listings that come up, if we were looking for like a

coffee shop or a plumber or, or an architects, then, um, that's, it's the

That's referred to as the map pack.

The one you're talking about there, it's normally in the collection of three.

And that's referred to as the map pack.

The map pack.

Okay.

Yeah.

Which I guess if you're, um, a local business, you want to be, you want to

be appearing in that map pack in those search results at the top of the page.

Don't you?

Cool.

So what are the, what are the common myths around?

Google business profiles.

Are there some misconceptions about them?

Most people don't realize that it's actually

another social platform.

They think it's just a static sort of, um, thing you must do when

you add a map to your website.

Now that's only because it's.

Usually added or created by a website designer.

And when you've, when they've gone to the trouble of actually setting

it up, they've claimed the account.

They've, you know, if you've got a business address, your business

address goes in there, but it doesn't matter if you don't have a business

address, a lot of us have cottage.

Businesses or cottage industries that work from home.

So you can just select a service area when you first register your business.

And then as you go further on, you do have to put an address in because

it's a privacy and security issue.

Um, but.

You can select a service area.

And I think some people think that you A, have to put your

address in, um, for it to work.

Yes.

And no, you don't have to put your address in publicly.

Um, and some people think that once you've created the Google business profile,

that's all you need to do to a point.

Yes.

But to make it more effective, you need to then post to it and get people

to put Google Business Reviews on it.

And the more Google Business Reviews you get on it, the

faster you're found in search.

Cool.

I like that.

I, I was going to, that, that point you made, um, about the address thing.

I think that's worth just reiterating that, that there's going to be

a lot of the listeners that are thinking, I, I, I work from home.

So, you know, can I, can I have a Google business profile?

Should I have a business profile?

The fears of like, Oh, well, I don't want like customers turning up on my doorstep.

But you, you just explained there that there's a way that you can set

this up so that you don't necessarily have to share your address publicly.

You can have, you called it, was it a service area that you mentioned?

So when you're first going into setting up the accounts,

you put in your business name, then it will ask for your address.

Um, but you can then.

Skip that and, and go to a service area.

And then you can put in, um, a lot of people put in towns, but you can also

put in counties as well, if you prefer.

Google business profile is optimized for local search.

So you can't put the whole of the UK or the whole of Ireland, because

that's, it doesn't work like that.

Um, There are ways around it.

So you can develop locations.

So let's say you have multiple offices, um, or multiple service areas potentially.

Um, so then you, you have to opt to put in extra locations, but then I will

be honest with you, you are creating a bit of extra work for yourself.

Unless you've got somebody who's actually going to be managing

those multiple locations.

Got it.

Got it.

But for the.

For the average service business, that's, you know, and in the case

of our listeners, they're generally architects, architectural designers,

architectural technologists that are generally, uh, a service business serving

a relatively local geographic area.

Most of the customers tend to gravitate to working with somebody local.

So Google.

Google business profiles are ideal for this, aren't they?

If it's a business that you're serving, uh, around a radius around your local

town or city, then if, if you don't have one of these set up, then you're

really missing a trick by the sounds of things from what you're telling us.

Could we run through some of the benefits for the average architecture practice

owner or service business owner, um, of developing their Google business

profile, we've, we've touched upon some of those already, I think, but could we,

could we elaborate on that a bit more?

well, one of the massive benefits is how easy it makes to contact

you because it's normally multiple clicks when people do a Google search.

If you haven't optimized your Google business profile in the first place,

then you'll be found in a Google search.

And if your details aren't.

In the Google business profile to call you.

They'll have to go to one of your other social platforms or to

your website, then go to contact now, then to find your details.

Whereas if you do a Google search, get found in a, a local search, it just says

Call now , or send email, or send message.

And so there's the instant gratification of being able to actually reach

somebody immediately from the search.

Yeah.

And I, I've had that experience where, um, when I've been practicing architecture,

that sometimes people would get in touch, they, they wouldn't necessarily

even get to the website because they would discover, they'd discover me

through Google search and then they'd find the, the Google business profile

and, uh, They'd just see the reviews and the call now or contact now, and

then they'd just get straight in touch.

If somebody's like looking for somebody and trying to get in touch with the

right person and your profile pops up there and there's some good reviews,

then, uh, yeah, it can really fast track, people getting into contact with

you and remove some of that friction that might be in the way otherwise.

There's a couple of other things that you can get from it.

Cause as you pointed out, there is the Google reviews that people can,

can check through first, but there's also FAQs frequently asked questions

and that can actually streamline somebody contacting you even better.

So those are frequently asked questions that either other people can ask you

or you can actually put up your own.

Frequently asked questions and answer them.

And that can actually help get rid of the tire kickers, if you know what I mean, who

aren't entirely sure what you're covering.

Um, I mean, stomp doesn't tell you what I do, whereas my business

is actually stump social media training, but the website is stomp.

ie.

Um, so.

Just having a fuller understanding of what you do just by using those frequently

asked questions can actually help eliminate that to ing and fro ing and

that time wasting that you get with people who are just wanting to clarify stuff.

That's a brilliant idea.

So, and I love that you.

Well, you, you mentioned there that not only can you answer questions

on your Google business profile, but you can ask the questions as well.

So rather than, I mean, you could take your, uh, FAQ FAQs that you, you get,

maybe you've got some on your website already, but you could, you can put

those on that Google Business profile.

You can ask the question and answer it.

So the common, uh, and actually thinking about, I guess.

Those common questions that people need answering when they get in touch.

Things like, for the case of architects, it could be, what is your service area?

What services do you offer?

What's your, your pricing format?

How much does it, the prices start from?

What's the price banding?

Can you help us get planning permission?

How does the process work?

Like there's, there's so many questions and.

I mean, even just that one thing, if people did that, that's, that

would be an amazing way to, um, save time when, well, to answer people's

questions and help them in the first instance, you repel the tire kickers.

And then the people that are a good fit are the ones that are

then going to hit the, the call now button and, and, and get in touch.

I love that.

That's a really good idea.

And I have one more thing that, so I'm sorry, I'm trying

to give you all the bonuses here

Yeah.

Yeah.

GCP account, um, is you can also attach, um, like a Calendly

or an iCal or something like that.

So again, you don't have to go to somebody's website with all the

multiple clicks that that will take.

You can actually book to speak to somebody directly from the Google business profile.

So it really is So much faster, um, less clicks and it all simply

gets found in a Google search.

I love that.

So there's a couple of different tools you mentioned there.

So these are like calendar booking tools.

If, if people are listening and are not familiar, there are, there

are tools available as Calendly.

Was it iCal was under the one

I Cal's another one.

Um, but there are paid and free versions that you can do.

Um, I've never tried putting in Google, um, bookings.

Um, so I'm not sure if that can go in or not.

Um, but those, Calendly and I Cal are the ones I see most frequently,

but there will be others, um, that will have an API there.

Yeah,

There's another one I can throw in the mix that I recently

discovered called TidyCal, which, at the moment, you can buy it, you have

to pay for it, but it's a one time fee of like 29 or something at the

moment, um, rather than a monthly subscription based fee, like some of them.

So if you're a small business, um, that might be a good, a good one

to check out and take a look at.

But they're all very similar, aren't they, in how they work.

Basically you can link it to your calendar and you know, you can set the.

Time slots that are available, um, but for people to be able to literally

just go straight from seeing your profile in Google search or on Google

maps, seeing your, hopefully your five star reviews and then going,

wow, this company looks amazing.

I want to talk to these people to just be able to click a button and book straight

into your calendar for a conversation or a discovery call, something

like that, that's really powerful.

Brilliant.

So was there any other, um, features on Google business profiles that you

think are worth mentioning, Melanie, to, to be able to run through?

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One of the, I think, most interesting features, although it can be

a little challenging in the same breath, is over time, once you've set up and fully

filled out and optimized, and I'm sure your listeners are slowly understanding

I'm saying, Fully optimize your profile.

As you start to post onto this profile, all you need to do is post

once a week to make it effective.

I mean, if you want to post more, absolutely, please do.

But, um, if you're posting on your Google business profile once a week, I can almost

guarantee you that you're doing more than your competitor is because most of

them just create it and just leave it.

Um, so that's one thing.

Um, but.

As you're posting Google kind of monitor the, the topics that you're covering.

So obviously as a social media trainer, I know my audience is also

interested in websites and graphic design, um, conferences, events, other

people's blogs, that sort of stuff.

Um, so I share other people's content as well.

And.

Over time, it will slowly add other areas that you show interest in.

Um, or it might assume that you have an interest in.

So every sort of four to six months, I go back into my, um, fully

optimized Google business profile and it says, um, website designer.

No, I'm not a website designer, so I removed that.

Um, life coach, I'm not a life coach, so that comes out.

Um, but then other times it will give you, because let's say,

um, I say social media training.

Um, and then it will see that I've also posted about social media management.

And I was, Oh, I hadn't put that in, I'll leave that in, um, or managing

Facebook or it will find the, you know, the same topic written in different ways

that it will slowly add in by itself and you have to go in and make sure that

it's still current and, and up to date.

And each of those subcategories are helping you get found in search.

Um, but you do have to go in and kind of police it because otherwise you're not

managing potential customers expectations because they'll expect you'll be a life

coach, a website designer, and a social media trainer, and you're not, so.

Okay.

So, so what happens when we set our profile up?

There's, we have to choose a category.

Yeah,

So, so we would say the category might be,

for example, architects.

That could be the main category, but then Google over time, depending on what

we're posting on our profile, will make, does it's making suggestions for all the

categories that we could also fit into.

Hmm.

So it will, it will suggest other products and services.

So your category itself, you, you have a primary category that you set.

Um, and then you can have two or three other secondary categories.

Um, but then when you go into your products and services, you can, um, add

your own products and services, but then Google over time will say what, and I

think it's also populated by the fact that how people find you in a search.

Yeah.

Um, so it's not just, they're just flinging these, these topics at you.

I think if people found you in a search whilst you were doing, whilst

they were looking up website design or something like that, um, I'm only

talking about mine here cause I don't want to throw people off saying the

wrong thing about your industry.

Um, so that's why, um, that category is sort of allocated to your product or

services, even though it's not accurate.

Um, so.

Be careful, once you've fully optimised it, Maybe diary it for four months,

every four months and go back in and just make sure that you're still managing

potential customers expectations.

Cause the last thing you want is to say, Oh no, I don't do that.

Cause that, that disappoints people.

Yeah, absolutely.

So just going back to the posting thing, like what can, when we talk

about posting to a Google business profile, what can we actually post?

Like, can we post anything that we would post on Instagram or LinkedIn?

Like, could we put a, a text post or a graphic or photos or videos?

Like, can we literally post any, any type of media to our Google business profile?

I haven't found a media that you can't post.

You can put podcasts, video, audio, graphics, photos, or text.

Oh, wow.

Oh, that's really cool.

So it's very flexible.

Yes.

In terms of, um, frequency, because some of the, the social platforms

like and Instagram, they can be very content hungry machines that like you, you

have to keep feeding them and you could end up posting several times a day, even.

Whereas you mentioned earlier with Google business profile that.

You don't necessarily need to post anywhere near as frequently as that.

So would you say that like once a week would be enough to kind

of stay ahead of everybody else?

Pretty much.

Um, what I've said to people who come in to see me is, um, you know, whatever

you're putting up on your other social profiles, you can literally use that to

share onto your Google business profile.

It can be square.

It can be rectangular.

Um, obviously being, uh, YouTube is a product of theirs.

They're more than happy to share videos.

Um, so there's really nothing that you can't put up there.

And what I like As well is it's not just putting up the images.

They also leave you with a call to action as well.

And you can put in links.

So the call to action could be buy now, learn more, call now, um, see

offer, read blog, so there's lots of options that you can put in as a, as

a call to action, and it's simply just by adding an update when you're going

into your Google business profile.

What I haven't made very clear yet is it's accessible.

Not just on your laptop, but also on your phone through Google Maps.

It can be found in Google Maps, or it can be found in a Google search.

So it really is extremely easy to access.

You're making this sound like a no brainer that we should,

we should just all be on that.

Pretty much.

Yeah.

Could you share some recommendations for getting started or.

It ought to improve an existing profile.

What would be your top recommendations for somebody that thinks either, yeah,

this sounds great, but I'm just not sure where to start or someone that's

thinking, well, we have a Google business profile, but like we set it up five

years ago and I've done nothing with it.

Um, my top recommendation would be everybody

wants to get found in search.

Everybody wants to have an improved their search engine optimization.

And it sounds like such a complicated thing to do.

Now, when you're doing a website in general, uh, you've got to have a good

understanding of keywords and focusing words and highlighting words and

bolding words and, you know, Metadata and it just, it goes on and on and on.

And it's all incredibly important and very, very useful to do on your website.

But if you don't have that sort of mindset or time by simply doing it on

Google business profile, you're already.

Um, probably doing it better on your Google business profile than you

would be doing on your own website, unless you had certain training.

Uh, so when I speak to customers, I suggest, please do get a website first.

A website is really important because it's the only place where

you own what you're putting up.

Um, because we don't, we're just renting space on all of these social

platforms at the end of the day.

And.

If you can have a Google business profile, it's just supporting what you've got

on your website, but it's more easy to find on search engine results pages.

It's almost better to find it in a Google business profile than in your website.

That's how effective it is.

I love that.

So first port of call, get the website sorted up and running

if you don't have one already.

And I, uh, I would encourage people to, it's better to have something

than nothing, even if it's just a really simple brochure site

that's just got one or two pages.

Just you don't, I, I think the first website build that I did, or I worked

with an agency that built it for me.

I was so overly ambitious, like there were so many things I wanted

to include, so many pages, and it took forever to get it done, and it

was a bit of a beast to then to kind of keep on top of and, and maintain.

And, It doesn't necessarily have to be that complicated.

So particularly if you're just starting out, like simple and clear

is better than, um, something that's, you know, a huge overstuffed site.

You can build a lot.

You can build from that.

Can't you over time?

I've gotta agree with you.

I, I say to people, you do not need an All Bells singing and dancing

website at the beginning, unless you're an e-commerce website.

I agree.

You do need an all singing, all dancing if you're an, if you've got an online shop.

It's got to be secure and it's got to be user friendly.

But if you are just a services, which a lot of you are, um, you just need

something that's functional that.

You know, maybe costs under a thousand or something like that.

And then once you've got some money in the bank, then you can get somebody

to update it, um, make it more, you know, give it a bit more swagger, a bit

more personalization, customization.

Um, cause it's normally the largest amount of money that you spend is your website.

And if that's, if you spend all that money at the very beginning of your business

and you struggle to go in the black after that, it can, it can close your business.

yeah, absolutely.

I think though that, The idea that with Google business profiles, that it's

potentially a really easy win for people that once, once you've got the website set

up, and then if you set up your Google, business profile, which you can do.

Like it's not, it's not hugely complex.

Like I think originally I set mine up myself.

Obviously you can get somebody to help you to do it if you don't have the time

or you'd prefer to get some support.

So listeners feel free to contact Melanie about that.

Um, but if you did want to try and do it yourself, you can do.

And as you mentioned that once you've got it up and running, that it's not

something you're having to pour like hours into every week, like potentially

some of the social platforms, A little bit, just a little bit of consistency

with it could really be really powerful and really increase the, the reach.

And I, I can speak from firsthand experience when I've like over the

years, um, hazard loads of inquiries that have come in from architectural

clients, and I would say probably more than 75 percent of them came

via that Google business profile.

There was some that were referrals, but then even those would then when

they search for me online, they would often come via that profile and some of

them wouldn't even get to the website because they would just get in touch.

They'd see the reviews and were like, wow, this guy sounds

like he knows what he's doing.

Let's, let's just contact him.

And they just get straight in touch from the Google business profile.

So incredibly powerful thing that people could do for free.

Oh yeah.

It's completely free.

yeah, yeah.

It's just a no brainer.

Like if they haven't got it set up, like they need to just

go and set it up like today.

Melanie, is there anything else about the topic that you wanted to

add that we haven't already covered?

Yes.

Um, unfortunately it's not possible to at the moment currently schedule for

free using Google business profile.

However, there are paid for platforms that you can, you can use.

Um, you can use a tool called plannable, um, which is free.

actually has an API that goes to Google business profile.

Um, but as far as I know, that's the only tool that I'm aware of that's free.

Um, that will schedule to all of your standard ones, Facebook, Instagram,

X, LinkedIn, but it will also.

Schedule to Google business profile.

But then if you, um, recollect John LinkedIn didn't have scheduling for

years and years and years and years and years, um, of their own, uh, then

they gave the API to everybody else.

And then only very recently they started allowing scheduling direct

That's right.

Yeah.

The scheduling thing.

I mean, that can be really.

Important to think about using scheduling because if you're relying on just

remembering to post things, you could be really busy working on delivering

results for your client or other things, or got meetings and things.

And, um, by scheduling things in advance, you can, you can

be so much more consistent.

At that tool you mentioned, plannable.

I'm going to go and check that out because, um, That sounds

like a really cool tool.

And the fact that there's a free tier of it, a free version,

definitely sounds worth checking out.

I've previously used a paid tool called, um, SmarterQ, which did allow

you to schedule to the Google business profile, but that was a paid tool.

And as far as I know, they don't have a free version.

So, um, yeah, if you're a small business, if you're a business of one or a micro

sized business, The, these tools can start to add up these different paid tools.

So definitely check out some of the, the free alternatives.

Um, when you decide in what to use, that's been really helpful.

I've got one other question.

It's nothing to do with Google business profiles.

I just like to ask all of the guests on the show.

Uh, I love travel and discovering new places.

I was just wondering if you could.

Share one of your favorite places and what you love about it.

Mm, Rome,

Rome.

Rome.

I've been to Rome so many times.

Um, you can go on your own, which I have frequently.

Um, and I've gone with friends and family and I just love the vibe there.

It's so, it's so nice to be there.

I normally go in September or October.

So, so warm, but it's not so warm that you sort of melt in bed at night.

Um, and they just know how to have a good time in the evenings.

Um, everywhere is open.

Um, the food is incredible.

Um, and it's not a very long flight.

It's only a couple of hours.

Um, so yeah, I love Rome.

Oh, Rome.

What a place.

This, this actually, this came up actually recently.

There was another guest on the show and their favorite place was Rome as well.

With, with good reason.

It's an absolutely amazing city.

Um, and I, I have been to Rome a long time ago, uh, but it was in my

backpacking days in my early twenties.

And my trip to Rome was, uh, It was a very boozy week in Rome, which it

did, like you mentioned about the, uh, they know how to enjoy themselves.

We certainly enjoyed ourselves that week.

We, my friend and I, we had an amazing time and we met loads of really friendly

locals and, um, in fact, actually that was the problem why we couldn't leave.

Funnily enough, we, uh, we, uh, We stumbled across a bar while we were there

and the bar staff, they were so friendly.

We, we were only meant to be there about three days and we ended up trapped in

Rome for a whole week because every day we went back to this bar and they

kept playing us with, um, free booze.

And, uh, every day we woke up and we're like, Oh, can't face getting

that train to the next place.

Should we stay here another day?

And then we ended up going back to the same bar and then getting

stuck there for another day.

And this happens a number of days in a row.

And then after a while, they, the bar staff are like, you guys aren't leaving.

Are you like, you said you were leaving like three days ago.

And like, you, you know, you're, you're actually not being

truthful here with us, are you?

Do you like live in Rome or something?

Uh, so it was pretty funny.

We did eventually escape Rome, but, um, I'm probably due another

trip back there to actually do a more grown up trip to Rome.

It's a story for another podcast, I guess.

So Melanie, thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your expertise.

I'm really grateful for you joining me today.

Where is the best place online for people to connect with you?

it would definitely be my website.

Um, Every single problem that anybody is experiencing in social media is

answered on my website, which is why you should have a website, because when

you're sharing posts on social, all you're doing is sharing small little

excerpts of a problem or, um, sharing a post, um, with a small call to action.

But if I get people to go to stomp.

ie forward slash services, um, that's Sierra, Tango, Oscar, Mike, Papa.

It's like stomp your feet.

ie cause I'm based in a, in Republic.

Um, and you'll see a list of all my services there and just

contact me directly from there.

Oh, that's fantastic.

Thanks so much, Melanie.

Thank you for having me.

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