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Speaker BThis is Ashley Winch in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Speaker AAnd I'm Jamie Jennings in Norman, Oklahoma.
Speaker AYou're listening to Horses in the Morning on the Horse Radio Network.
Speaker AWork for Wednesday, February 26th, episode 3635.
Speaker CHello, Horse World.
Speaker CIt's Wednesday, the day you start daydreaming of a weekend with your horses.
Speaker CWe'll help you get there with more silly horse talk on Horses in the Morning.
Speaker BWe've got a great show ahead for you guys.
Speaker BWe are jumping back into our Breeds A to Z segment and are on the letter D.
Speaker BI'm very.
Speaker AOh, I gotta guess.
Speaker AI gotta guess.
Speaker BOkay, go ahead.
Speaker ADalmatian Ponies.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker BSo close.
Speaker BOh, my God, was it close?
Speaker BEverybody knows that.
Speaker BThat's my favor.
Speaker BFake breed of horse.
Speaker BWe actually.
Speaker BI'm really excited to learn more about Dale's Ponies.
Speaker BI.
Speaker BI don't know anything about them.
Speaker BThey look like miniature Friesians.
Speaker BI'm really excited to learn more.
Speaker BWe have a wonderful guest joining us from the UK to teach us all about Dale's Ponies.
Speaker BThen, for our horse health segment, we're going to be joined by our friend Madeline Boast of Balanced Bay Nutrition to educate us all on digestible energy in.
Speaker BHa.
Speaker ABecause see, Glenn rolling his eyes right now.
Speaker BIsn't he's.
Speaker BHe's probably happy he's not on Today.
Speaker BJokes aside, I'm filling in for Glenn as we've lost someone dear to us in the podcast community.
Speaker BNeil Ghiarte.
Speaker BHe was a podcast and video editor and best friend to Glenn.
Speaker BHe was the founder of Wild Style Media and the director of the podcast documentary film the Messengers, which, you guys might recall, Glenn was in as well.
Speaker BHe was also a regular fixture at PodFest, and he leaves behind his wife, Naomi.
Speaker BAnd we are sending our love to Neil's friends and family during this difficult time.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThis is like the first time we are gonna do a double daily Winnie.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker ABecause as we sit down before the show, we go over things that we're gonna do and turns out we both have the same, same daily Winnie.
Speaker DThis is so exciting.
Speaker AOkay, not really.
Speaker ASo go ahead, tell what you did.
Speaker BI thought.
Speaker BI think we should count down and do it at the same time.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AThree, two, one.
Speaker BI wrote, we rode, we went riding.
Speaker BNot Together, unfortunately.
Speaker AAnd I'm in Oklahoma.
Speaker ABut you had your first ride post baby.
Speaker BHuge shout out to our auditor Emily, who owns a brand of riding apparel called and Horses.
Speaker BShe had sent me these amazing breeches.
Speaker BAnd I'll be honest with you guys, like having a baby, it's a lot.
Speaker BAnd my body was not exactly the same as it was, you know, two years ago when I was riding more regularly and I was really afraid, frankly my breeches wouldn't fit.
Speaker BAnd I slipped these bad boys on.
Speaker BIt was.
Speaker BThey were so comfortable.
Speaker BI felt so confident.
Speaker BThey were in the prettiest, like wine color.
Speaker BSo anyway, fash aside, it felt so good to ride again.
Speaker BJamie.
Speaker BWe walk, trot, canard.
Speaker BWe were going up through like craggy mountains and across valleys.
Speaker BI rode this gorgeous mustang with my friend.
Speaker BHer name is also Ashley.
Speaker BAnd I'm actually trying to get her on the show.
Speaker BShe's actually an extra horseback rider in tons of Netflix movies and TV shows.
Speaker BCuz Netflix has a HQ out here in Albuquerque.
Speaker BAnd I was like, wait, I want to do that any.
Speaker BIt was so great.
Speaker AI want to do that.
Speaker BI want to do that.
Speaker BSo I want to get her on the show to teach us all how to be the girl horse girls in movies because like, we need to represent.
Speaker BYou know what I'm saying?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd it just, it felt so good, you guys.
Speaker BI couldn't wipe the smile off my face all day long.
Speaker BIt was fantastic to have be covered in horse hair, feel the wind blowing through my helmet vent.
Speaker BIt was just gorgeous.
Speaker BWhat about you, Jamie?
Speaker BI think you rode a little illegally, if I am correct.
Speaker AWell, I did confess to the physical therapist yesterday that what I did.
Speaker AAnd it's so funny because these people don't know anything about horses.
Speaker AWhich is weird because I'm like, I feel like everybody in Oklahoma should know what horses are.
Speaker BAgreed.
Speaker AAnd I was like, you know, I was joking.
Speaker AI was like, yeah, I rode yesterday.
Speaker AAnd he was like, what?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AI'm like, yeah, I wrote a horse.
Speaker AThat's what we've been talking about this whole time, is getting me ready to go back to horses.
Speaker AHe's like, did you put your saddle on?
Speaker AAnd I was like, no, I just rode bareback.
Speaker AI mean, then it just got weirder, you know, I was like, don't worry, I didn't have to do very much.
Speaker AI didn't put a saddle on.
Speaker AI just hopped up and he's really small and he's like a hundred years old.
Speaker AHe's a hundred.
Speaker AI was like, he goes, that Seems really old for a horse.
Speaker AOh, my gosh.
Speaker AHe's not really 100.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AI'm just.
Speaker AAnyway, so my.
Speaker AWhereas may babes or.
Speaker AAnd horses.
Speaker AShe's rebranding.
Speaker AIt have.
Speaker AThat they have, like.
Speaker ABasically it's for, like, moms.
Speaker ABasically, it's a.
Speaker AIt's a breach that has underwear built in, and they're fantastic.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AWhat I need from Emily is for you to make a breach with a bra built in.
Speaker ABecause I.
Speaker ABecause of my shoulder surgery, I can't have.
Speaker ACan't wear a bra.
Speaker AAnd this blessed little quarter horse something or other that I rode, which we named him Carl.
Speaker AGirl, I'm sitting on him, and he is so wide that I feel like I'm doing a split, right?
Speaker ASo I'm on him and I'm on a bareback.
Speaker AAnd I.
Speaker AI start.
Speaker AI'm like, I'm gonna trot him around.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AI mean, my boobs aren't very big, but, girl, I was clasping those bad boys with one hand.
Speaker AWell, thank God he neck reins, because I was like, neck raining with my right hand and holding my boobs with my left hand, trying not to bounce all over the place.
Speaker ASo crazy.
Speaker ASo I was like, I need, like, some sort of, like.
Speaker AI guess what I should do is just wrap.
Speaker AVet wrap around them, you know?
Speaker BOh, yeah.
Speaker BLike, it's.
Speaker BI mean, it worked in National Velvet.
Speaker AThat's true.
Speaker AWho could I get?
Speaker AI mean, I only have farm boy out here.
Speaker AI'm not.
Speaker ANo, no.
Speaker BWell, if you find like a fence post maybe, or a piece of rebar, and then twirl yourself around it real.
Speaker AFast, that's a good idea.
Speaker AI'll just have a spool method there.
Speaker AYeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI just got on.
Speaker AI was like, let's just jig.
Speaker AJog on down.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AOh.
Speaker ASo, yeah, So I.
Speaker ABut I've done it twice now.
Speaker AI wrote him again yesterday.
Speaker AAnd it's funny because, you know, when you.
Speaker AWhen you think of getting a horse that is kind of a been there, done that, who's a hundred years old, right?
Speaker AHe's kind of done everything.
Speaker ABut what I've realized is he's not very educated.
Speaker ALike, he's tolerant as all get out, but not very educated.
Speaker AHe does neck rain most of the time.
Speaker ASo I.
Speaker AYou know, standing on a mounting block, he was like, what are you doing up there?
Speaker AYou know, like.
Speaker AAnd so when I go to sit on him, he's like, what are you doing?
Speaker AYou know, I think he's used to people Kind of like jumping on him, you know?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo even just from day one to day two.
Speaker ADay one.
Speaker ASo the first thing I do when I get on a horse is I back them up a couple steps just so they don't think you sit on them and go, go.
Speaker ABecause then they learn to walk off.
Speaker ASo I'm in just to Julie Halter.
Speaker AHe hasn't had his teeth done yet.
Speaker AThat's tomorrow.
Speaker AAnd so I go to back him up, and he first, Dave is like, I don't know what you're.
Speaker AWhat you're telling me.
Speaker AWhy are you pulling on my halter?
Speaker ASo I get him to back up, and then he wouldn't go straight.
Speaker ALike, he was just like, kind of like a drunken guy, like, veering left and right and left.
Speaker BHe was avoiding the wolves, Jamie.
Speaker AI know, right?
Speaker AI mean, he's not stressed at all, but he just has no idea how to just.
Speaker AJust walk.
Speaker AJust walk straight.
Speaker ASo I have the dressage letters out in my arena.
Speaker BPerfect.
Speaker ASo I was like, we're walking to E.
Speaker AAnd so I'm like.
Speaker AI would stare at E, and then we would take 400 steps to make the 10 steps to go straight to the letter E.
Speaker ASo I was like, left, right, left, right, left, right.
Speaker ASo then we did that, and then he wouldn't stand still.
Speaker AHe doesn't want to stand still.
Speaker AI think he's been kind of like, go, go, go.
Speaker ABecause you could tell he.
Speaker AAs soon as you get on him, he's like, where are we going?
Speaker AWhere are we going?
Speaker ASo he.
Speaker AI got him just to calm down.
Speaker AWalk to the letter that I'm staring at after standing still for the mounting block, and then stand still.
Speaker AAnd so when you're teaching him to stand still.
Speaker AOkay, I'm gonna ask you to just, like, literally, your job is going to be walk and stand still.
Speaker AEverything is going to work out for you.
Speaker AYou're going to be fine.
Speaker ABut just walk and stand still.
Speaker ASo day one, it was like when they go to walk off, and you let him walk off a couple steps, and then you back him up.
Speaker AYou know, say he walks off two backs up six.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker ASo all of that, I was constantly having to work on that the first day.
Speaker AAnd then yesterday I wrote him again.
Speaker AHe backed up perfect.
Speaker AHey, let her.
Speaker AWent straight and stood still the entire time.
Speaker AAnd I was like, he's so smart.
Speaker BHe's brilliant.
Speaker BCarl's a genius.
Speaker AYou can teach an old dog new tricks.
Speaker AI was quite proud.
Speaker BEven if they're a hundred.
Speaker AA hundred years old.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AJeez.
Speaker ACome on, Mason, get it together.
Speaker BOh, that's so exciting.
Speaker BThat's so exciting.
Speaker AI was pretty, pretty pleased.
Speaker AI was pretty pleased with them.
Speaker ASo I just think it's gonna get better and better.
Speaker AAnd it is funny to climb up on a mining block because I'm.
Speaker AI'm used to getting on thoroughbreds right.
Speaker ATaller.
Speaker AI mean, Ace is 16, two, and everybody's high.
Speaker AAnd then I have to get on the mounting block and step down.
Speaker ALike, I don't think I need the three step mounting block for this horse.
Speaker BMaybe just one.
Speaker AMaybe just maybe just from the ground, throw my leg over.
Speaker ABut no, it was really fun.
Speaker AAnd I'm just really pleased on how quickly he learned.
Speaker ASo I was like, there's a.
Speaker AThere's a thing.
Speaker AAnd I don't know if you've ever read the book.
Speaker AWhen I was a child, I would.
Speaker AA teenager, I would read any book that had the name horse in it.
Speaker BAbsolutely.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker AAnd there's a John Steinbeck book called the Red Pony.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AAnd I was like, oh, it's a book about horses.
Speaker AA pony.
Speaker AI get.
Speaker AThat's not a happy book about.
Speaker BNo, like, it certainly is not.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker AIt's John Steinbeck.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker ABut I was.
Speaker AI don't know why it was.
Speaker AI mean, it's disturbing for, like a teenage horse girl, but I learned a very valuable thing in this book, and I say it all the time, and I almost said it when I was talking about this horse, but I might as well just explain it to all y'all, because this is what I do when I'm teaching or something.
Speaker ASo in the book, this red pony is kind of a wild pony, and they.
Speaker AThey put him in the field, and it's barbed wire, and the horse goes running across the field, and they're all waiting for this wild pony to go straight through the barbed wire.
Speaker AAnd they.
Speaker AThe dad's kind of like, this one might be really stupid, you know, like, kind of.
Speaker AI'm paraphrasing.
Speaker ABut he puts him out in the barbed wire, and they're fully expecting this horse to just run through the barbed wire.
Speaker AAnd he's visualizing all the carnage that's going to happen when the pony runs to the barbed wire.
Speaker AWell, the pony runs out to the field, gets to the fence and turns and, like, doesn't go through the barbed wire.
Speaker AAnd the little boy was so excited that he's like, it turned him, Paul.
Speaker AIt turned him.
Speaker AIt turned Paul, like, so his pony wasn't stupid.
Speaker AAnd so anytime something like that happens where I got on him yesterday and he backed up and he went straight and he stood still.
Speaker AI was like, it turned it out.
Speaker AI don't.
Speaker AIt's just something in my head I hear, like, echoing from the.
Speaker AFrom the disturbing books that I read as a child, just trying to read about ponies.
Speaker AWe can cut this all out if this is weird, but I don't know.
Speaker AIn my head I was like, it turned.
Speaker AAnd Paul and I do that a little too often.
Speaker ALike the.
Speaker ABut it's just one of those, like, core memories that you have.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker AIt just one.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AMaybe that's weird.
Speaker AAnd again, if you think it's weird, just cut all this.
Speaker BNo, I love it.
Speaker BAnd I think we should do Jamie book reviews far more often, frankly, because Steinbeck has never sounded so exciting.
Speaker AWell, I.
Speaker ATrust me, there are some very disturbing things in that book for this poor little pony.
Speaker AHowever, again, I haven't read it in probably 30 years, so excuse me if I'm.
Speaker ADon't nobody write me.
Speaker ASend your complaint claims to jennifer@horseradionetwork.com if you're like a Steinbach junkie and I've misquoted the book, but in there, in that book, it says, it turned ball.
Speaker AAnd I hear that all the time.
Speaker AAnd I've tried to explain that to farm boy when he does something with his horse, and I'm like, it turned and ball.
Speaker AAnd he's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker ASo it's like a thing in my head all the time that happens.
Speaker AAnd I just felt like I should explain it to y'all today because y'all are crazy along with me because we all have horses.
Speaker BI love it.
Speaker BI love it.
Speaker BAnd with that, let's learn about Dale's ponies.
Speaker CIt's time for breeds of the Alphabet, from Arabians to zebras, we take you on an adventure, highlighting a breed for every letter of the Alphabet.
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Speaker BAnd joining us now all the way from the UK is Anna, who is the owner and breeder of Nipna Native and Rare Breeds, here to tell us all about the Dale's pony.
Speaker BSo, Anna, at first glance, to me, these ponies look like Mini Friesians.
Speaker BI'm sure that is nowhere in their bloodline, but that's what they look like to me.
Speaker BThey're just precious.
Speaker DYes, yes.
Speaker DA lot of people do say yes, Mini Friesians.
Speaker DAlthough it does make us slightly cringe.
Speaker BFair.
Speaker DWe can totally see it.
Speaker DAnd we.
Speaker DWe understand why, but, yes, they've probably got an older history than, than the Friesians but they are absolutely wonderful ponies.
Speaker DBrilliant, brilliant animals.
Speaker DBut yes, they have that, that impressive big black black beauty type pony look to them, don't they?
Speaker BThey certainly do.
Speaker BIf you could tell us a bit of the history of the Dale's pony.
Speaker DYeah, so the Dale's pony, really it's, well it's always been known as a working animal so way back in time in round our way, you know, I'm based in Yorkshire and they were the, the farmer's horse.
Speaker DSo they would do the plowing of the land, they would do the, the work and then on a Saturday they would take the farmer and his family smartly to, to market and they, they were that sort of, they've always had the tagline of the great all rounder and that's come from their history and that ability to turn a hoof to, to whatever's been asked, be it farmland work, be it even further back.
Speaker DThey, we have the old lead mining routes and whilst they were never a pit pony, they were too big for that.
Speaker DThey were the, the would take the, the lead ore from the mines to the depots where it was weighed and, and such like.
Speaker BWow.
Speaker BThey really have been along a long time and I love, I love the all around aspect.
Speaker BSo tell me about their temperaments.
Speaker BI imagine if, if they're great all arounders they have to be pretty even keeled ponies.
Speaker DYes, definitely.
Speaker DAnd, and they, they, the, the beauty of the Dale 20 is that they're never boring.
Speaker DThey are, they're great characters, they're great willing workers but they, they want to, they want to please and they want to work for you.
Speaker DThey're not steady, steady cobs if you know what I mean.
Speaker DThey, they, they just want to work and they want to, to please you and when you, you know, when you, when you get them on side or when you have a real partner, they're an amazing partnership.
Speaker DThey're, they're full of energy.
Speaker DThey're, they're known over here for their trotting ability and their ability to sort of pick up some pace and really look smart and it all goes hand in hand with that willingness and temperament.
Speaker BWhat kind of disciplines would you see Dale's ponies in today?
Speaker BI mean it sounds like dressage would maybe be a great little discipline.
Speaker DYeah, definitely, definitely.
Speaker DWe have some great ponies that are doing some really good things in dressage and we do a lot of flat showing driving ponies.
Speaker DThey are so good as a driving pony.
Speaker DSo smart and endurance and trek anything that they can engage the brain with, any obstacles and that sort of item.
Speaker BNow we have a.
Speaker BMight be a silly American question, but we have to ask it.
Speaker BAre Dale's ponies related to the Queen's Ponies, the Fell Ponies, at all?
Speaker DOkay, so, so, so basically, the Fell Pohones are on the west of the, the Pennines, which is the, the mountain range in the, in the UK that sort of divides the center of the, of the, the north of the country and the, and the Dale's ponies are on the, the east side of it.
Speaker DSo there is a bit of shared history.
Speaker DWay back, the Fell Ponies are a little bit smaller when the Dell's ponies are that bit bigger.
Speaker DBut yes, there is a bit of.
Speaker DBit of shared history.
Speaker BWell, that makes us feel better that it wasn't a completely silly question.
Speaker BNow, in my research for today's segment, I found that the Dale's Pony is considered a rare breed and they are listed as critical by the Rare Breed Survival Trust.
Speaker BAnd clearly you're, you're out there breeding and, and, you know, doing the work to help this breed.
Speaker BTell us about, about your work in conserving them as a breed.
Speaker DYes, so as a, as a breed, they are critically endangered.
Speaker DAnd we, we have about 130, 140foals born a year.
Speaker DAnd that's it.
Speaker DAnd that's you.
Speaker DThat's worldwide.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker DYeah.
Speaker DSo it's, it's very few.
Speaker DAnd.
Speaker DBut the breed society is brilliant.
Speaker DWe, you know, we, we have a really active, busy society that we're out there promoting them and doing what we can to show the world this brilliant pony.
Speaker DAnd actually, in some ways, we can't breed to the demand, if you know what I mean.
Speaker DIt takes a long time to build up numbers.
Speaker DBut we, you know, but we have so many brilliant breeders both in the UK and, and in the, in the us You've got some brilliant breeders across there that are doing a bit to promote the breed and to show how great they are.
Speaker DAnd it's anything anybody can do to show Adele's pony and say, this is what we are, this is where we are, and come and meet them is the best thing anybody can do to conserve the breed.
Speaker BThey're just beautiful, beautiful animals.
Speaker BI'm hoping to see one.
Speaker BMaybe we have a big horse exposition in April in Ohio and they highlight a bunch of rare breeds, and I'm hoping that maybe we'll see one at Equine affairs if people wanted to learn more about you, your work, the breed itself, where could they go to learn more?
Speaker DOkay, so the in terms of the breed itself, we have our own Dales Pony Society website so you can go there which is www.dalespony.org.uk.
Speaker Din terms of myself, in terms of the, the Nitna herd of Dale's ponies, we have our own website which is www.nipna.co.uk.
Speaker Dboth of us, the society and myself have a social media presence on Facebook.
Speaker DSo you can sort of find us all over the place.
Speaker BFantastic.
Speaker BWell, thanks again for taking time.
Speaker BI'm so glad it worked out and I've really enjoyed learning about these beautiful, beautiful ponies.
Speaker BSo thank you, Anna.
Speaker BI hope you have a great rest of your day.
Speaker DThank you very much.
Speaker DIt's been a pleasure.
Speaker DThank you for taking the time to speak to us.
Speaker DThat's really good.
Speaker DThank you.
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Speaker AThis horse health report is brought to you by Daily Dose Equine Non GMO Core nutrition for horses and ponies of all ages.
Speaker AI would like to welcome to the show Madeline Bose.
Speaker AShe's an independent nutritionist at Balance Bay Nutrition in Ontario, Canada.
Speaker AAnd while she may be in Ontario, she works with horses and nutrition all over the world.
Speaker AThanks for joining us, Madeline.
Speaker EThanks so much for having me.
Speaker EI'm excited to chat.
Speaker AWell, we're going to talk today about the energy content in horse hay.
Speaker AAnd so tell us, I guess give us a reader's digest on what that is and why it's important.
Speaker ESo when we talk about digestible energy content of hay, that is the calorie content.
Speaker EAnd I would say this is one of the most overlooked values when we're looking at the nutritional Content of hay, especially with the rise we're seeing in easy keepers and horses that are overweight.
Speaker ESo a lot of people want to focus on sugar content, but I think calorie content is so critical when we're trying to have our horse gain or lose weight.
Speaker AYeah, I think it's important for humans, so might as well be important for horses, too.
Speaker AYeah, I look at that one when I on the labels.
Speaker ASo what is digestible energy?
Speaker AWhy is that crucial compared to looking at protein, sugar, all of the different things we look at.
Speaker ESo it is one of the critical values because it is a nutrient requirement for the horse as well.
Speaker ESo a horse needs a certain amount, number of calories to maintain their weight.
Speaker EOf course, if we want them to gain, we need to provide them calories above that requirement.
Speaker EAnd if we want them to lose weight, they need to be in a calorie deficit.
Speaker ASo we've got all these different kind of avenues of using digestible and all of these different things.
Speaker AHow do we know what we're giving our horses?
Speaker EThe only way to know truly what you're giving your horse is to have your forge tested.
Speaker ESo what I like to present to owners is a lot of the time we'll be so focused on the concentrate or supplements that we're providing our horse.
Speaker EHowever, realistically, 90% plus of their diet is going to be hay in most cases.
Speaker ESo when we don't know the nutritional content of that hay, we're missing such a large piece of the puzzle.
Speaker ESpecifically, I would say for easy keepers and horses that maintain their weight really, really well, providing a forage that is high energy and high in calories, you're never really going to be able to elicit safe weight loss because that forage is going to have to be restricted to an unsafe level for that animal to lose weight and for the calorie content in the diet to be low.
Speaker AYeah, I'm trying to think of my horses like I, I have a lot of off the track thoroughbreds and then I have of couple, excuse me, chunky quarter horse and illusion types.
Speaker ASo it is, excuse me.
Speaker ASo it is very different, kind of like all the different nutritional needs that they need.
Speaker AAnd so, I mean, aside from like muzzling, should I have a variety of different types of haze for the different kinds of horses or I mean, because, look, literally I'll be like, stop eating so much and it never works.
Speaker EYeah, it is.
Speaker EI would say it's much harder to take calories away than it is to add calories.
Speaker ESo I'll use my Horses as an example, I have a quarter horse and a quarter horse cross.
Speaker EOne is about 28, he needs a lot of supplemental calories and the other is a very, very easy keeper.
Speaker ESame thing gets fat on air sort of deal.
Speaker EAnd so they live together.
Speaker EAnd I prioritize a forage that has adequate protein and is low sugar because both of them have metabolic issues.
Speaker EAnd I do prioritize it being lower in digestible energy or calories because I know that I can supplement calories really easily with concentrates and fats or things like beet pulp and oils to the more senior horse that needs that supplemental calorie content to maintain weight.
Speaker AOkay, so basically you kind of focus on less great hay and just supplement on top of it for the, for the senior horse because again, I have a senior horse as well.
Speaker ASo it's like, it's like horses provide you with, with a variety of nutritional challenges.
Speaker AAnd so basically, yeah, you kind of look at each one.
Speaker ABut you're saying start at the kind of the, the bottom and work your way up.
Speaker EYeah, I would say in most cases that tends to work quite well.
Speaker EThe other, the other thing that a lot of people will do will purchase in a really rich supplemental hay.
Speaker ESo they will have their base, kind of their base hay that is good for the base of the herd.
Speaker EBut then those that need extra, they'll have a richer premium quality hay that they supplement to those other horses on the other, on the other kind of flip side, if you're managing say a facility that has brood mares and they have very, very high energy requirements, especially during lactation.
Speaker ESo for those horses, I find it is critical to prioritize premium quality hay or else you end up spending a lot of money on supplemental feeds to maintain their condition and have them be happy and healthy throughout their whole pregnancy and lactation.
Speaker AOkay, so the million dollar question is how do we know, how do we know what we're giving our horses?
Speaker EYou have to test it.
Speaker EAnd I know a lot of people aren't super keen on hay testing.
Speaker EHowever, it is something that is not very difficult to do and is not very costly.
Speaker EIt often costs far less than a container of a joint supplement, for example.
Speaker EAnd I actually, I really don't like when people aren't testing hay simply because they don't know.
Speaker ESo if anyone wants to email me to get hay testing instructions, I send those out completely free of charge just because I don't want people not knowing to be their barrier to getting their hay tested.
Speaker AThat was my question is like you talk about hay testing.
Speaker AHow, how do we do it?
Speaker ASo how do we do it?
Speaker AIs we just email you, you tell us how?
Speaker EYeah, I will send out instructions.
Speaker EYou can work with a nutritionist from your local feed store.
Speaker EOftentimes they will have a hay corer so they can come out and take that sample for you.
Speaker EIf that isn't available in your area, there are ways for you to take the sample on your own and you can ship it in the states.
Speaker EMostly equa analytical is the lab that is used.
Speaker EBut you can also normally send it through your local feed store and they will have a lab that they ship out to.
Speaker AOkay, this is probably a dumb question but I mean like I get my hay from a dealer and I get, you know, 50 bales at a time and then I get 50 more bales or I get round bales from somebody.
Speaker ADo I, do you suggest we test every hay every time we get it or how do you do that?
Speaker ESo the gold standard would be to be testing every batch of hay that you get.
Speaker EThat is not always practical, especially in really large facilities that are sometimes getting a new batch of hay every single week.
Speaker ESo what I often do in those cases is we test a few of the first batches or I will actually go visit the hay supplier and take a whole bunch of samples and then we average them out to get your, your average basically nutritional content and we balance to that.
Speaker EIt's not perfect.
Speaker EObviously testing every batch of hay would be ideal, but it gives you a really good estimate.
Speaker AOkay, so you mentioned people contacting you to get information on how to do it.
Speaker AWhere do they contact you?
Speaker EThey can email me@ balancedbaynutritionmail.com and if you just put in the type the subject line of the email, hey, testing instructions, I will get those sent out to you.
Speaker AFantastic.
Speaker AWell Madeline, thank you so much for joining us and talking about all of this.
Speaker AWe appreciate it.
Speaker AAnd again, do you have a website?
Speaker EYeah, balancebaynutrition.com has lots of information and a ton of educational articles if people are interested in reading more.
Speaker AFantastic.
Speaker AWe'll put all of that in the show notes and try.
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Speaker CTime to learn why some days you're embarrassed to be part of the human race in Jamie's weird news.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker AIt's the time of the week where I tell you the weird news stories that are happening all over the globe.
Speaker AThis time it is an international weird news story with a twist.
Speaker AI'm gonna tell you that I got so many stories that are completely different yet incredibly similar.
Speaker ASo that makes no sense until you hear what I'm gonna tell you later.
Speaker ASo here we go.
Speaker AI would like to thank these people for sending me in weird news stories.
Speaker ALaureen, Shelly, Stephanie, Lindsay, and Janelle all sent me a bunch of weird news stories.
Speaker AAnd here we go.
Speaker ALet's.
Speaker ALet's start with this is.
Speaker AThis is just really weird.
Speaker AWe're gonna go to Berlin, to Germany, because the police in Munich are investigating a mystery.
Speaker AAre you.
Speaker AAre you intrigued?
Speaker AAshley?
Speaker BI.
Speaker BI love anything with a mystery.
Speaker AThis is crazy.
Speaker ASo imagine you're in a grave in a cemetery, and you're walking through this cemetery and you notice on every grave there's a QR code stop.
Speaker ALike a sticker of a QR code on a grave.
Speaker ASo, I mean, if it was me.
Speaker BI'm gonna scan it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo apparently thousands of stickers were put on gravestones and wooden crosses at three cemeteries in a German city without any indication of who did it or why they did it it.
Speaker AAnd they all have a QR code on It.
Speaker AAnd when you scan the QR code, it shows you the name of the person buried there and its location in the cemetery, but nothing else.
Speaker BBut I'm already there, and I can read the name, and I'm at the location.
Speaker BI'm very confused.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AThe police are trying to figure out why anybody would put QR codes on graves, saying that it's disrespectful.
Speaker AObviously, they're trying to find him out behind the stickers.
Speaker ABut also, apparently, there's, like, gravestones were damaged and discolored when the stickers were removed.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo somebody's going to jail, they catch him.
Speaker ABut I just thought, what a weird waste of time.
Speaker BI honestly.
Speaker BI thought you were gonna say, like.
Speaker BAnd then we scanned it, and there was an AI version of that person who had passed away, and we had a conversation about their lives.
Speaker BLike, I thought it was going way cooler than it was.
Speaker AI thought it was gonna be like, if you scan it, it's a picture of the dead body inside.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI just.
Speaker AMy mind went really dark.
Speaker AReally dark.
Speaker ABut it turns out it's just the name of the person and, like, the date they died, and it just makes no sense.
Speaker AAnyway, it's weird.
Speaker AThat's why this is weird news.
Speaker BIt's weird.
Speaker BIt's weird.
Speaker AThis one.
Speaker AThis one.
Speaker AThis next one is.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker AI'm gonna tell you the story, but I would encourage you people not to Google it because the photos that I'm seeing are just really gross.
Speaker AOkay, so we're going to Bogota, Colombia.
Speaker AColombia.
Speaker APolice.
Speaker AI mean, if you think Colombia and you think police, what do you think?
Speaker BI mean, should I say it?
Speaker BWe're a morning show.
Speaker ADrugs.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ADrugs are bad.
Speaker AAnd this is involving cocaine.
Speaker AIt is Colombia.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIt's a thing.
Speaker AOkay, so Colombian police is.
Speaker AThere's this guy, and he's going through.
Speaker AI can't pronounce the name of this airport, and he's about to board a flight to Amsterdam.
Speaker AWhat could possibly be shady about a guy gone from Columbia to Amsterdam?
Speaker BHe's just really passionate about Van Gogh.
Speaker BJamie.
Speaker BI don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker AHe just wanted to get you into the.
Speaker AHe probably wanted to go see some flowers or something.
Speaker ESure.
Speaker ASo he starts to walk through these scanners, and I believe it was a.
Speaker AA drug dog that was alerted.
Speaker ALike, hey, sir, we're gonna need you to come over here.
Speaker AAnd they look at him.
Speaker AThey're like, he looks really weird.
Speaker AThere's something really weird about his head.
Speaker ALike, he has A funny shaped head.
Speaker ASo they send him through a scanner, and they reveal that there is 220 grams of cocaine packed into tiny little bags strategically placed underneath his toupee.
Speaker BStop it right now.
Speaker A$10,000 worth of euros of cocaine in this guy.
Speaker AIn between his head and the wig.
Speaker ASo what do they have to do?
Speaker AThey're like, they got to scalp him.
Speaker AThey got to scalp him.
Speaker BOh, my God.
Speaker AIs where I said, don't Google this because it's really gross.
Speaker ABecause they had to put on blue gloves and remove the suspect's wig with scissors.
Speaker AAnd so the picture is half of the scalp lift lifted up with little baggies of cocaine, and it's their bald head.
Speaker AIt's really gross.
Speaker AAnyway, it's weird, and that's why it's here.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker BI can't remove this image from my mind's eye.
Speaker AYou're welcome.
Speaker AAnd finally, the last weird news story is not really a last weird news story.
Speaker AIt's a lot of weird news stories all together because there was a theme of all the submissions.
Speaker AAnd then I went down a rabbit hole and found even more.
Speaker AOkay, so what it is is there is a collection of animal weird news stories, and I just.
Speaker AI couldn't cover them all.
Speaker ASo I'm just going to read you the headlines, and I'm going to swipe through the screenshots of all of these weird news stories, and I want you to see if you find in this a general theme.
Speaker BOkay?
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AWe're gonna start with a porcupine.
Speaker AI mean, how can you tie a porcupine with any other animals?
Speaker ABut escaped porcupine captured in Tennessee.
Speaker ARemarkably rotund beaver wanders through Chicago.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker AWaldo the Scottish highland bull is on the loose.
Speaker AIn Connecticut, a goat was rescued from the fifth floor window of a ledge.
Speaker AIn Madrid, horse rescued after falling halfway through a wooden bridge.
Speaker AIn England, police rescue a deer entangled in a dangling rope.
Speaker AIt's, like, wrapped around his antlers.
Speaker AAnd that is in Michigan.
Speaker ASassy pony leads Indiana troopers on a.
Speaker AA hoof chase.
Speaker BOh, God.
Speaker ARed panda escapes zoo and is found in a Polish hospital parking lot.
Speaker AAlabama police search for the owner of a runaway goat, an owl.
Speaker AThis is a little behind, but it just got released.
Speaker AAn owl strikes a pose on a Christmas tree after.
Speaker AAfter flying down somebody's chimney.
Speaker AIn Virginia.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker AMidland fire and Rescue was alerted to find a large horse had become loose and walked across a pool cover and fell into the pool.
Speaker BOh, no.
Speaker AAnd finally.
Speaker AI mean, so obviously the theme.
Speaker AWould you like to Put it all together.
Speaker BI mean it.
Speaker BThey're taking over.
Speaker BAnimals are taking over the world.
Speaker AA week of animals are on the loose all over the world.
Speaker AYou're right.
Speaker AI think it's a thing.
Speaker AThen finally, this one is my favorite.
Speaker AAnd I try to imagine what would happen if this happened to me.
Speaker AAnd the headline is vulture, that quote loves people, escapes a nature show in Georgia.
Speaker AHere's the thing.
Speaker AI had to read this one because a rescued black vulture escaped from his home in Georgia.
Speaker AThat is a dozen nature show.
Speaker AAnd has been seen wandering loose south of Atlanta.
Speaker AOkay, Atlanta, not an animal friendly place.
Speaker ANo, I would just go with his.
Speaker AThey.
Speaker AThey alerted everybody because somehow he got loose from his enclosure.
Speaker AAnd here's the quote.
Speaker AThey alerted everybody because they just don't want you to hurt Buzz, okay?
Speaker ABecause Buzz loves people, loves cuddles, and loves uppies, and may try to fly to you.
Speaker BOh, stop it right now.
Speaker ACould you imagine if you were, like, walking around the streets of Atlanta and.
Speaker BA freaking vulture wanted to jump in your arms?
Speaker BThat is the foulest thing.
Speaker BOh, pun intended.
Speaker BOh, my God.
Speaker AI would freak out.
Speaker AThey.
Speaker AI will be honest.
Speaker AThey are my favorite birds words because they have a very valuable place, very important job.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BFor sure.
Speaker ABut that valuable place should be very far from me.
Speaker BThey nasty.
Speaker BThere's a reason they don't have feathers on their head.
Speaker BIt's because they're gross.
Speaker AIf you was like, walking around the streets of Atlanta and like this, this vulture buzzard was like, hey, can I get in your arms?
Speaker BHey, bestie.
Speaker AAnyway, it was last spotted.
Speaker ABuzz was last spotted Thursday in a Columbus, Georgia residence yard.
Speaker ABut he left before the owner could be found or could get there.
Speaker AMy God.
Speaker BOh, I just.
Speaker BI need Buzz to have a reality TV show.
Speaker BI need cameras following him.
Speaker AI think so.
Speaker ASo anyway, all of these weird animal stories, they're all.
Speaker AEverything's on the loose.
Speaker AAnd just watch out for everything.
Speaker AHow about that?
Speaker BPerfect.
Speaker AWell, everybody have a wonderful day.
Speaker AI gotta get down to the ferrier.
Speaker AAshley, he just told me.
Speaker AI'm sorry.
Speaker AWhen does this ever happen?
Speaker AMy farrier is gonna be here early.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AThat doesn't happen.
Speaker BI think you should ride because that's a sign of good luck.
Speaker ASo it's a beautiful day here in Oklahoma.
Speaker AI think I might have to do that.
Speaker AAnd everybody, thank you for joining us.
Speaker AAshley, thank you for popping in.
Speaker AOh, Glenn texted me and he wanted me to read you something.
Speaker ADid you get this text?
Speaker BMy phone's on do not disturb because I'm a.
Speaker BI'm a responsible podcaster.
Speaker AOh, I am very irresponsible, but otherwise I wouldn't get all of this fun information.
Speaker AGlenn says close the show with this.
Speaker AAnd so imagine this is his voice.
Speaker AI'm not going to do his voice because that would be insulting.
Speaker AWhat's it like owning a horse?
Speaker AImagine caring for a giant hyperactive drama queen with the appetite of a vacuum and the survival instincts of a potato.
Speaker ALove you, Glenn.
Speaker ASpanded or dulled everybody?