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You are listening to the Horse Radio Network, part of the Equine Network family.

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What a beautiful day for Horses in the morning.

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You are listening to the number one horse podcast in the world.

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Here's your entertaining look at the horse world and the people in it.

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Foreign.

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This is Ashley Winch in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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And I'm Jamie Jennings in Norman, Oklahoma.

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You're listening to Horses in the Morning on the Horse Radio Network.

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Work for Wednesday, February 26th, episode 3635.

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Hello, Horse World.

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It's Wednesday, the day you start daydreaming of a weekend with your horses.

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We'll help you get there with more silly horse talk on Horses in the Morning.

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We've got a great show ahead for you guys.

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We are jumping back into our Breeds A to Z segment and are on the letter D.

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I'm very.

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Oh, I gotta guess.

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I gotta guess.

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Okay, go ahead.

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Dalmatian Ponies.

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Oh, my gosh.

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So close.

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Oh, my God, was it close?

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Everybody knows that.

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That's my favor.

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Fake breed of horse.

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We actually.

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I'm really excited to learn more about Dale's Ponies.

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I.

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I don't know anything about them.

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They look like miniature Friesians.

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I'm really excited to learn more.

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We have a wonderful guest joining us from the UK to teach us all about Dale's Ponies.

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Then, for our horse health segment, we're going to be joined by our friend Madeline Boast of Balanced Bay Nutrition to educate us all on digestible energy in.

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Ha.

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Because see, Glenn rolling his eyes right now.

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Isn't he's.

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He's probably happy he's not on Today.

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Jokes aside, I'm filling in for Glenn as we've lost someone dear to us in the podcast community.

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Neil Ghiarte.

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He was a podcast and video editor and best friend to Glenn.

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He was the founder of Wild Style Media and the director of the podcast documentary film the Messengers, which, you guys might recall, Glenn was in as well.

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He was also a regular fixture at PodFest, and he leaves behind his wife, Naomi.

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And we are sending our love to Neil's friends and family during this difficult time.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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This is like the first time we are gonna do a double daily Winnie.

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Why?

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Because as we sit down before the show, we go over things that we're gonna do and turns out we both have the same, same daily Winnie.

Speaker D

This is so exciting.

Speaker A

Okay, not really.

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So go ahead, tell what you did.

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I thought.

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I think we should count down and do it at the same time.

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Okay.

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Three, two, one.

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I wrote, we rode, we went riding.

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Not Together, unfortunately.

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And I'm in Oklahoma.

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But you had your first ride post baby.

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Huge shout out to our auditor Emily, who owns a brand of riding apparel called and Horses.

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She had sent me these amazing breeches.

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And I'll be honest with you guys, like having a baby, it's a lot.

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And my body was not exactly the same as it was, you know, two years ago when I was riding more regularly and I was really afraid, frankly my breeches wouldn't fit.

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And I slipped these bad boys on.

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It was.

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They were so comfortable.

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I felt so confident.

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They were in the prettiest, like wine color.

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So anyway, fash aside, it felt so good to ride again.

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Jamie.

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We walk, trot, canard.

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We were going up through like craggy mountains and across valleys.

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I rode this gorgeous mustang with my friend.

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Her name is also Ashley.

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And I'm actually trying to get her on the show.

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She's actually an extra horseback rider in tons of Netflix movies and TV shows.

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Cuz Netflix has a HQ out here in Albuquerque.

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And I was like, wait, I want to do that any.

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It was so great.

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I want to do that.

Speaker B

I want to do that.

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So I want to get her on the show to teach us all how to be the girl horse girls in movies because like, we need to represent.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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And it just, it felt so good, you guys.

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I couldn't wipe the smile off my face all day long.

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It was fantastic to have be covered in horse hair, feel the wind blowing through my helmet vent.

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It was just gorgeous.

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What about you, Jamie?

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I think you rode a little illegally, if I am correct.

Speaker A

Well, I did confess to the physical therapist yesterday that what I did.

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And it's so funny because these people don't know anything about horses.

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Which is weird because I'm like, I feel like everybody in Oklahoma should know what horses are.

Speaker B

Agreed.

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And I was like, you know, I was joking.

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I was like, yeah, I rode yesterday.

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And he was like, what?

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Why?

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I'm like, yeah, I wrote a horse.

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That's what we've been talking about this whole time, is getting me ready to go back to horses.

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He's like, did you put your saddle on?

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And I was like, no, I just rode bareback.

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I mean, then it just got weirder, you know, I was like, don't worry, I didn't have to do very much.

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I didn't put a saddle on.

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I just hopped up and he's really small and he's like a hundred years old.

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He's a hundred.

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I was like, he goes, that Seems really old for a horse.

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Oh, my gosh.

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He's not really 100.

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Okay.

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I'm just.

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Anyway, so my.

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Whereas may babes or.

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And horses.

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She's rebranding.

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It have.

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That they have, like.

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Basically it's for, like, moms.

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Basically, it's a.

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It's a breach that has underwear built in, and they're fantastic.

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Okay.

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What I need from Emily is for you to make a breach with a bra built in.

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Because I.

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Because of my shoulder surgery, I can't have.

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Can't wear a bra.

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And this blessed little quarter horse something or other that I rode, which we named him Carl.

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Girl, I'm sitting on him, and he is so wide that I feel like I'm doing a split, right?

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So I'm on him and I'm on a bareback.

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And I.

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I start.

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I'm like, I'm gonna trot him around.

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Oh, my God.

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I mean, my boobs aren't very big, but, girl, I was clasping those bad boys with one hand.

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Well, thank God he neck reins, because I was like, neck raining with my right hand and holding my boobs with my left hand, trying not to bounce all over the place.

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So crazy.

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So I was like, I need, like, some sort of, like.

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I guess what I should do is just wrap.

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Vet wrap around them, you know?

Speaker B

Oh, yeah.

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Like, it's.

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I mean, it worked in National Velvet.

Speaker A

That's true.

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Who could I get?

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I mean, I only have farm boy out here.

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I'm not.

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No, no.

Speaker B

Well, if you find like a fence post maybe, or a piece of rebar, and then twirl yourself around it real.

Speaker A

Fast, that's a good idea.

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I'll just have a spool method there.

Speaker A

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I don't know.

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I just got on.

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I was like, let's just jig.

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Jog on down.

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Oh, my God.

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Oh.

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So, yeah, So I.

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But I've done it twice now.

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I wrote him again yesterday.

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And it's funny because, you know, when you.

Speaker A

When you think of getting a horse that is kind of a been there, done that, who's a hundred years old, right?

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He's kind of done everything.

Speaker A

But what I've realized is he's not very educated.

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Like, he's tolerant as all get out, but not very educated.

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He does neck rain most of the time.

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So I.

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You know, standing on a mounting block, he was like, what are you doing up there?

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You know, like.

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And so when I go to sit on him, he's like, what are you doing?

Speaker A

You know, I think he's used to people Kind of like jumping on him, you know?

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

So even just from day one to day two.

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Day one.

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So the first thing I do when I get on a horse is I back them up a couple steps just so they don't think you sit on them and go, go.

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Because then they learn to walk off.

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So I'm in just to Julie Halter.

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He hasn't had his teeth done yet.

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That's tomorrow.

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And so I go to back him up, and he first, Dave is like, I don't know what you're.

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What you're telling me.

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Why are you pulling on my halter?

Speaker A

So I get him to back up, and then he wouldn't go straight.

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Like, he was just like, kind of like a drunken guy, like, veering left and right and left.

Speaker B

He was avoiding the wolves, Jamie.

Speaker A

I know, right?

Speaker A

I mean, he's not stressed at all, but he just has no idea how to just.

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Just walk.

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Just walk straight.

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So I have the dressage letters out in my arena.

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Perfect.

Speaker A

So I was like, we're walking to E.

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And so I'm like.

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I would stare at E, and then we would take 400 steps to make the 10 steps to go straight to the letter E.

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So I was like, left, right, left, right, left, right.

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So then we did that, and then he wouldn't stand still.

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He doesn't want to stand still.

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I think he's been kind of like, go, go, go.

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Because you could tell he.

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As soon as you get on him, he's like, where are we going?

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Where are we going?

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So he.

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I got him just to calm down.

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Walk to the letter that I'm staring at after standing still for the mounting block, and then stand still.

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And so when you're teaching him to stand still.

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Okay, I'm gonna ask you to just, like, literally, your job is going to be walk and stand still.

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Everything is going to work out for you.

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You're going to be fine.

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But just walk and stand still.

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So day one, it was like when they go to walk off, and you let him walk off a couple steps, and then you back him up.

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You know, say he walks off two backs up six.

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Yep.

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So all of that, I was constantly having to work on that the first day.

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And then yesterday I wrote him again.

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He backed up perfect.

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Hey, let her.

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Went straight and stood still the entire time.

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And I was like, he's so smart.

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He's brilliant.

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Carl's a genius.

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You can teach an old dog new tricks.

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I was quite proud.

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Even if they're a hundred.

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A hundred years old.

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Oh, my God.

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Jeez.

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Come on, Mason, get it together.

Speaker B

Oh, that's so exciting.

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That's so exciting.

Speaker A

I was pretty, pretty pleased.

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I was pretty pleased with them.

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So I just think it's gonna get better and better.

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And it is funny to climb up on a mining block because I'm.

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I'm used to getting on thoroughbreds right.

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Taller.

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I mean, Ace is 16, two, and everybody's high.

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And then I have to get on the mounting block and step down.

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Like, I don't think I need the three step mounting block for this horse.

Speaker B

Maybe just one.

Speaker A

Maybe just maybe just from the ground, throw my leg over.

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But no, it was really fun.

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And I'm just really pleased on how quickly he learned.

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So I was like, there's a.

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There's a thing.

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And I don't know if you've ever read the book.

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When I was a child, I would.

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A teenager, I would read any book that had the name horse in it.

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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And there's a John Steinbeck book called the Red Pony.

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Yes.

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And I was like, oh, it's a book about horses.

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A pony.

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I get.

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That's not a happy book about.

Speaker B

No, like, it certainly is not.

Speaker A

It's.

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It's John Steinbeck.

Speaker B

Exactly.

Speaker A

But I was.

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I don't know why it was.

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I mean, it's disturbing for, like a teenage horse girl, but I learned a very valuable thing in this book, and I say it all the time, and I almost said it when I was talking about this horse, but I might as well just explain it to all y'all, because this is what I do when I'm teaching or something.

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So in the book, this red pony is kind of a wild pony, and they.

Speaker A

They put him in the field, and it's barbed wire, and the horse goes running across the field, and they're all waiting for this wild pony to go straight through the barbed wire.

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And they.

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The dad's kind of like, this one might be really stupid, you know, like, kind of.

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I'm paraphrasing.

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But he puts him out in the barbed wire, and they're fully expecting this horse to just run through the barbed wire.

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And he's visualizing all the carnage that's going to happen when the pony runs to the barbed wire.

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Well, the pony runs out to the field, gets to the fence and turns and, like, doesn't go through the barbed wire.

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And the little boy was so excited that he's like, it turned him, Paul.

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It turned him.

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It turned Paul, like, so his pony wasn't stupid.

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And so anytime something like that happens where I got on him yesterday and he backed up and he went straight and he stood still.

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I was like, it turned it out.

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I don't.

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It's just something in my head I hear, like, echoing from the.

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From the disturbing books that I read as a child, just trying to read about ponies.

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We can cut this all out if this is weird, but I don't know.

Speaker A

In my head I was like, it turned.

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And Paul and I do that a little too often.

Speaker A

Like the.

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But it's just one of those, like, core memories that you have.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker A

It just one.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

Maybe that's weird.

Speaker A

And again, if you think it's weird, just cut all this.

Speaker B

No, I love it.

Speaker B

And I think we should do Jamie book reviews far more often, frankly, because Steinbeck has never sounded so exciting.

Speaker A

Well, I.

Speaker A

Trust me, there are some very disturbing things in that book for this poor little pony.

Speaker A

However, again, I haven't read it in probably 30 years, so excuse me if I'm.

Speaker A

Don't nobody write me.

Speaker A

Send your complaint claims to jennifer@horseradionetwork.com if you're like a Steinbach junkie and I've misquoted the book, but in there, in that book, it says, it turned ball.

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And I hear that all the time.

Speaker A

And I've tried to explain that to farm boy when he does something with his horse, and I'm like, it turned and ball.

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And he's like, what are you talking about?

Speaker A

So it's like a thing in my head all the time that happens.

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And I just felt like I should explain it to y'all today because y'all are crazy along with me because we all have horses.

Speaker B

I love it.

Speaker B

I love it.

Speaker B

And with that, let's learn about Dale's ponies.

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It's time for breeds of the Alphabet, from Arabians to zebras, we take you on an adventure, highlighting a breed for every letter of the Alphabet.

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Can we do it?

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Stay tuned in 2025 and find out.

Speaker B

And joining us now all the way from the UK is Anna, who is the owner and breeder of Nipna Native and Rare Breeds, here to tell us all about the Dale's pony.

Speaker B

So, Anna, at first glance, to me, these ponies look like Mini Friesians.

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I'm sure that is nowhere in their bloodline, but that's what they look like to me.

Speaker B

They're just precious.

Speaker D

Yes, yes.

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A lot of people do say yes, Mini Friesians.

Speaker D

Although it does make us slightly cringe.

Speaker B

Fair.

Speaker D

We can totally see it.

Speaker D

And we.

Speaker D

We understand why, but, yes, they've probably got an older history than, than the Friesians but they are absolutely wonderful ponies.

Speaker D

Brilliant, brilliant animals.

Speaker D

But yes, they have that, that impressive big black black beauty type pony look to them, don't they?

Speaker B

They certainly do.

Speaker B

If you could tell us a bit of the history of the Dale's pony.

Speaker D

Yeah, so the Dale's pony, really it's, well it's always been known as a working animal so way back in time in round our way, you know, I'm based in Yorkshire and they were the, the farmer's horse.

Speaker D

So they would do the plowing of the land, they would do the, the work and then on a Saturday they would take the farmer and his family smartly to, to market and they, they were that sort of, they've always had the tagline of the great all rounder and that's come from their history and that ability to turn a hoof to, to whatever's been asked, be it farmland work, be it even further back.

Speaker D

They, we have the old lead mining routes and whilst they were never a pit pony, they were too big for that.

Speaker D

They were the, the would take the, the lead ore from the mines to the depots where it was weighed and, and such like.

Speaker B

Wow.

Speaker B

They really have been along a long time and I love, I love the all around aspect.

Speaker B

So tell me about their temperaments.

Speaker B

I imagine if, if they're great all arounders they have to be pretty even keeled ponies.

Speaker D

Yes, definitely.

Speaker D

And, and they, they, the, the beauty of the Dale 20 is that they're never boring.

Speaker D

They are, they're great characters, they're great willing workers but they, they want to, they want to please and they want to work for you.

Speaker D

They're not steady, steady cobs if you know what I mean.

Speaker D

They, they, they just want to work and they want to, to please you and when you, you know, when you, when you get them on side or when you have a real partner, they're an amazing partnership.

Speaker D

They're, they're full of energy.

Speaker D

They're, they're known over here for their trotting ability and their ability to sort of pick up some pace and really look smart and it all goes hand in hand with that willingness and temperament.

Speaker B

What kind of disciplines would you see Dale's ponies in today?

Speaker B

I mean it sounds like dressage would maybe be a great little discipline.

Speaker D

Yeah, definitely, definitely.

Speaker D

We have some great ponies that are doing some really good things in dressage and we do a lot of flat showing driving ponies.

Speaker D

They are so good as a driving pony.

Speaker D

So smart and endurance and trek anything that they can engage the brain with, any obstacles and that sort of item.

Speaker B

Now we have a.

Speaker B

Might be a silly American question, but we have to ask it.

Speaker B

Are Dale's ponies related to the Queen's Ponies, the Fell Ponies, at all?

Speaker D

Okay, so, so, so basically, the Fell Pohones are on the west of the, the Pennines, which is the, the mountain range in the, in the UK that sort of divides the center of the, of the, the north of the country and the, and the Dale's ponies are on the, the east side of it.

Speaker D

So there is a bit of shared history.

Speaker D

Way back, the Fell Ponies are a little bit smaller when the Dell's ponies are that bit bigger.

Speaker D

But yes, there is a bit of.

Speaker D

Bit of shared history.

Speaker B

Well, that makes us feel better that it wasn't a completely silly question.

Speaker B

Now, in my research for today's segment, I found that the Dale's Pony is considered a rare breed and they are listed as critical by the Rare Breed Survival Trust.

Speaker B

And clearly you're, you're out there breeding and, and, you know, doing the work to help this breed.

Speaker B

Tell us about, about your work in conserving them as a breed.

Speaker D

Yes, so as a, as a breed, they are critically endangered.

Speaker D

And we, we have about 130, 140foals born a year.

Speaker D

And that's it.

Speaker D

And that's you.

Speaker D

That's worldwide.

Speaker B

Oh, my gosh.

Speaker D

Yeah.

Speaker D

So it's, it's very few.

Speaker D

And.

Speaker D

But the breed society is brilliant.

Speaker D

We, you know, we, we have a really active, busy society that we're out there promoting them and doing what we can to show the world this brilliant pony.

Speaker D

And actually, in some ways, we can't breed to the demand, if you know what I mean.

Speaker D

It takes a long time to build up numbers.

Speaker D

But we, you know, but we have so many brilliant breeders both in the UK and, and in the, in the us You've got some brilliant breeders across there that are doing a bit to promote the breed and to show how great they are.

Speaker D

And it's anything anybody can do to show Adele's pony and say, this is what we are, this is where we are, and come and meet them is the best thing anybody can do to conserve the breed.

Speaker B

They're just beautiful, beautiful animals.

Speaker B

I'm hoping to see one.

Speaker B

Maybe we have a big horse exposition in April in Ohio and they highlight a bunch of rare breeds, and I'm hoping that maybe we'll see one at Equine affairs if people wanted to learn more about you, your work, the breed itself, where could they go to learn more?

Speaker D

Okay, so the in terms of the breed itself, we have our own Dales Pony Society website so you can go there which is www.dalespony.org.uk.

Speaker D

in terms of myself, in terms of the, the Nitna herd of Dale's ponies, we have our own website which is www.nipna.co.uk.

Speaker D

both of us, the society and myself have a social media presence on Facebook.

Speaker D

So you can sort of find us all over the place.

Speaker B

Fantastic.

Speaker B

Well, thanks again for taking time.

Speaker B

I'm so glad it worked out and I've really enjoyed learning about these beautiful, beautiful ponies.

Speaker B

So thank you, Anna.

Speaker B

I hope you have a great rest of your day.

Speaker D

Thank you very much.

Speaker D

It's been a pleasure.

Speaker D

Thank you for taking the time to speak to us.

Speaker D

That's really good.

Speaker D

Thank you.

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I would like to welcome to the show Madeline Bose.

Speaker A

She's an independent nutritionist at Balance Bay Nutrition in Ontario, Canada.

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And while she may be in Ontario, she works with horses and nutrition all over the world.

Speaker A

Thanks for joining us, Madeline.

Speaker E

Thanks so much for having me.

Speaker E

I'm excited to chat.

Speaker A

Well, we're going to talk today about the energy content in horse hay.

Speaker A

And so tell us, I guess give us a reader's digest on what that is and why it's important.

Speaker E

So when we talk about digestible energy content of hay, that is the calorie content.

Speaker E

And I would say this is one of the most overlooked values when we're looking at the nutritional Content of hay, especially with the rise we're seeing in easy keepers and horses that are overweight.

Speaker E

So a lot of people want to focus on sugar content, but I think calorie content is so critical when we're trying to have our horse gain or lose weight.

Speaker A

Yeah, I think it's important for humans, so might as well be important for horses, too.

Speaker A

Yeah, I look at that one when I on the labels.

Speaker A

So what is digestible energy?

Speaker A

Why is that crucial compared to looking at protein, sugar, all of the different things we look at.

Speaker E

So it is one of the critical values because it is a nutrient requirement for the horse as well.

Speaker E

So a horse needs a certain amount, number of calories to maintain their weight.

Speaker E

Of course, if we want them to gain, we need to provide them calories above that requirement.

Speaker E

And if we want them to lose weight, they need to be in a calorie deficit.

Speaker A

So we've got all these different kind of avenues of using digestible and all of these different things.

Speaker A

How do we know what we're giving our horses?

Speaker E

The only way to know truly what you're giving your horse is to have your forge tested.

Speaker E

So what I like to present to owners is a lot of the time we'll be so focused on the concentrate or supplements that we're providing our horse.

Speaker E

However, realistically, 90% plus of their diet is going to be hay in most cases.

Speaker E

So when we don't know the nutritional content of that hay, we're missing such a large piece of the puzzle.

Speaker E

Specifically, I would say for easy keepers and horses that maintain their weight really, really well, providing a forage that is high energy and high in calories, you're never really going to be able to elicit safe weight loss because that forage is going to have to be restricted to an unsafe level for that animal to lose weight and for the calorie content in the diet to be low.

Speaker A

Yeah, I'm trying to think of my horses like I, I have a lot of off the track thoroughbreds and then I have of couple, excuse me, chunky quarter horse and illusion types.

Speaker A

So it is, excuse me.

Speaker A

So it is very different, kind of like all the different nutritional needs that they need.

Speaker A

And so, I mean, aside from like muzzling, should I have a variety of different types of haze for the different kinds of horses or I mean, because, look, literally I'll be like, stop eating so much and it never works.

Speaker E

Yeah, it is.

Speaker E

I would say it's much harder to take calories away than it is to add calories.

Speaker E

So I'll use my Horses as an example, I have a quarter horse and a quarter horse cross.

Speaker E

One is about 28, he needs a lot of supplemental calories and the other is a very, very easy keeper.

Speaker E

Same thing gets fat on air sort of deal.

Speaker E

And so they live together.

Speaker E

And I prioritize a forage that has adequate protein and is low sugar because both of them have metabolic issues.

Speaker E

And I do prioritize it being lower in digestible energy or calories because I know that I can supplement calories really easily with concentrates and fats or things like beet pulp and oils to the more senior horse that needs that supplemental calorie content to maintain weight.

Speaker A

Okay, so basically you kind of focus on less great hay and just supplement on top of it for the, for the senior horse because again, I have a senior horse as well.

Speaker A

So it's like, it's like horses provide you with, with a variety of nutritional challenges.

Speaker A

And so basically, yeah, you kind of look at each one.

Speaker A

But you're saying start at the kind of the, the bottom and work your way up.

Speaker E

Yeah, I would say in most cases that tends to work quite well.

Speaker E

The other, the other thing that a lot of people will do will purchase in a really rich supplemental hay.

Speaker E

So they will have their base, kind of their base hay that is good for the base of the herd.

Speaker E

But then those that need extra, they'll have a richer premium quality hay that they supplement to those other horses on the other, on the other kind of flip side, if you're managing say a facility that has brood mares and they have very, very high energy requirements, especially during lactation.

Speaker E

So for those horses, I find it is critical to prioritize premium quality hay or else you end up spending a lot of money on supplemental feeds to maintain their condition and have them be happy and healthy throughout their whole pregnancy and lactation.

Speaker A

Okay, so the million dollar question is how do we know, how do we know what we're giving our horses?

Speaker E

You have to test it.

Speaker E

And I know a lot of people aren't super keen on hay testing.

Speaker E

However, it is something that is not very difficult to do and is not very costly.

Speaker E

It often costs far less than a container of a joint supplement, for example.

Speaker E

And I actually, I really don't like when people aren't testing hay simply because they don't know.

Speaker E

So if anyone wants to email me to get hay testing instructions, I send those out completely free of charge just because I don't want people not knowing to be their barrier to getting their hay tested.

Speaker A

That was my question is like you talk about hay testing.

Speaker A

How, how do we do it?

Speaker A

So how do we do it?

Speaker A

Is we just email you, you tell us how?

Speaker E

Yeah, I will send out instructions.

Speaker E

You can work with a nutritionist from your local feed store.

Speaker E

Oftentimes they will have a hay corer so they can come out and take that sample for you.

Speaker E

If that isn't available in your area, there are ways for you to take the sample on your own and you can ship it in the states.

Speaker E

Mostly equa analytical is the lab that is used.

Speaker E

But you can also normally send it through your local feed store and they will have a lab that they ship out to.

Speaker A

Okay, this is probably a dumb question but I mean like I get my hay from a dealer and I get, you know, 50 bales at a time and then I get 50 more bales or I get round bales from somebody.

Speaker A

Do I, do you suggest we test every hay every time we get it or how do you do that?

Speaker E

So the gold standard would be to be testing every batch of hay that you get.

Speaker E

That is not always practical, especially in really large facilities that are sometimes getting a new batch of hay every single week.

Speaker E

So what I often do in those cases is we test a few of the first batches or I will actually go visit the hay supplier and take a whole bunch of samples and then we average them out to get your, your average basically nutritional content and we balance to that.

Speaker E

It's not perfect.

Speaker E

Obviously testing every batch of hay would be ideal, but it gives you a really good estimate.

Speaker A

Okay, so you mentioned people contacting you to get information on how to do it.

Speaker A

Where do they contact you?

Speaker E

They can email me@ balancedbaynutritionmail.com and if you just put in the type the subject line of the email, hey, testing instructions, I will get those sent out to you.

Speaker A

Fantastic.

Speaker A

Well Madeline, thank you so much for joining us and talking about all of this.

Speaker A

We appreciate it.

Speaker A

And again, do you have a website?

Speaker E

Yeah, balancebaynutrition.com has lots of information and a ton of educational articles if people are interested in reading more.

Speaker A

Fantastic.

Speaker A

We'll put all of that in the show notes and try.

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Speaker F

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Speaker C

Time to learn why some days you're embarrassed to be part of the human race in Jamie's weird news.

Speaker A

That's right.

Speaker A

It's the time of the week where I tell you the weird news stories that are happening all over the globe.

Speaker A

This time it is an international weird news story with a twist.

Speaker A

I'm gonna tell you that I got so many stories that are completely different yet incredibly similar.

Speaker A

So that makes no sense until you hear what I'm gonna tell you later.

Speaker A

So here we go.

Speaker A

I would like to thank these people for sending me in weird news stories.

Speaker A

Laureen, Shelly, Stephanie, Lindsay, and Janelle all sent me a bunch of weird news stories.

Speaker A

And here we go.

Speaker A

Let's.

Speaker A

Let's start with this is.

Speaker A

This is just really weird.

Speaker A

We're gonna go to Berlin, to Germany, because the police in Munich are investigating a mystery.

Speaker A

Are you.

Speaker A

Are you intrigued?

Speaker A

Ashley?

Speaker B

I.

Speaker B

I love anything with a mystery.

Speaker A

This is crazy.

Speaker A

So imagine you're in a grave in a cemetery, and you're walking through this cemetery and you notice on every grave there's a QR code stop.

Speaker A

Like a sticker of a QR code on a grave.

Speaker A

So, I mean, if it was me.

Speaker B

I'm gonna scan it.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

So apparently thousands of stickers were put on gravestones and wooden crosses at three cemeteries in a German city without any indication of who did it or why they did it it.

Speaker A

And they all have a QR code on It.

Speaker A

And when you scan the QR code, it shows you the name of the person buried there and its location in the cemetery, but nothing else.

Speaker B

But I'm already there, and I can read the name, and I'm at the location.

Speaker B

I'm very confused.

Speaker A

Yes.

Speaker A

The police are trying to figure out why anybody would put QR codes on graves, saying that it's disrespectful.

Speaker A

Obviously, they're trying to find him out behind the stickers.

Speaker A

But also, apparently, there's, like, gravestones were damaged and discolored when the stickers were removed.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

So somebody's going to jail, they catch him.

Speaker A

But I just thought, what a weird waste of time.

Speaker B

I honestly.

Speaker B

I thought you were gonna say, like.

Speaker B

And then we scanned it, and there was an AI version of that person who had passed away, and we had a conversation about their lives.

Speaker B

Like, I thought it was going way cooler than it was.

Speaker A

I thought it was gonna be like, if you scan it, it's a picture of the dead body inside.

Speaker A

I don't know.

Speaker A

I just.

Speaker A

My mind went really dark.

Speaker A

Really dark.

Speaker A

But it turns out it's just the name of the person and, like, the date they died, and it just makes no sense.

Speaker A

Anyway, it's weird.

Speaker A

That's why this is weird news.

Speaker B

It's weird.

Speaker B

It's weird.

Speaker A

This one.

Speaker A

This one.

Speaker A

This next one is.

Speaker A

It's.

Speaker A

I'm gonna tell you the story, but I would encourage you people not to Google it because the photos that I'm seeing are just really gross.

Speaker A

Okay, so we're going to Bogota, Colombia.

Speaker A

Colombia.

Speaker A

Police.

Speaker A

I mean, if you think Colombia and you think police, what do you think?

Speaker B

I mean, should I say it?

Speaker B

We're a morning show.

Speaker A

Drugs.

Speaker B

Yeah.

Speaker A

Drugs are bad.

Speaker A

And this is involving cocaine.

Speaker A

It is Colombia.

Speaker A

Yeah.

Speaker A

It's a thing.

Speaker A

Okay, so Colombian police is.

Speaker A

There's this guy, and he's going through.

Speaker A

I can't pronounce the name of this airport, and he's about to board a flight to Amsterdam.

Speaker A

What could possibly be shady about a guy gone from Columbia to Amsterdam?

Speaker B

He's just really passionate about Van Gogh.

Speaker B

Jamie.

Speaker B

I don't know what you're talking about.

Speaker A

He just wanted to get you into the.

Speaker A

He probably wanted to go see some flowers or something.

Speaker E

Sure.

Speaker A

So he starts to walk through these scanners, and I believe it was a.

Speaker A

A drug dog that was alerted.

Speaker A

Like, hey, sir, we're gonna need you to come over here.

Speaker A

And they look at him.

Speaker A

They're like, he looks really weird.

Speaker A

There's something really weird about his head.

Speaker A

Like, he has A funny shaped head.

Speaker A

So they send him through a scanner, and they reveal that there is 220 grams of cocaine packed into tiny little bags strategically placed underneath his toupee.

Speaker B

Stop it right now.

Speaker A

$10,000 worth of euros of cocaine in this guy.

Speaker A

In between his head and the wig.

Speaker A

So what do they have to do?

Speaker A

They're like, they got to scalp him.

Speaker A

They got to scalp him.

Speaker B

Oh, my God.

Speaker A

Is where I said, don't Google this because it's really gross.

Speaker A

Because they had to put on blue gloves and remove the suspect's wig with scissors.

Speaker A

And so the picture is half of the scalp lift lifted up with little baggies of cocaine, and it's their bald head.

Speaker A

It's really gross.

Speaker A

Anyway, it's weird, and that's why it's here.

Speaker B

Oh, my gosh.

Speaker B

I can't remove this image from my mind's eye.

Speaker A

You're welcome.

Speaker A

And finally, the last weird news story is not really a last weird news story.

Speaker A

It's a lot of weird news stories all together because there was a theme of all the submissions.

Speaker A

And then I went down a rabbit hole and found even more.

Speaker A

Okay, so what it is is there is a collection of animal weird news stories, and I just.

Speaker A

I couldn't cover them all.

Speaker A

So I'm just going to read you the headlines, and I'm going to swipe through the screenshots of all of these weird news stories, and I want you to see if you find in this a general theme.

Speaker B

Okay?

Speaker A

Okay.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker A

We're gonna start with a porcupine.

Speaker A

I mean, how can you tie a porcupine with any other animals?

Speaker A

But escaped porcupine captured in Tennessee.

Speaker A

Remarkably rotund beaver wanders through Chicago.

Speaker B

Okay.

Speaker A

Waldo the Scottish highland bull is on the loose.

Speaker A

In Connecticut, a goat was rescued from the fifth floor window of a ledge.

Speaker A

In Madrid, horse rescued after falling halfway through a wooden bridge.

Speaker A

In England, police rescue a deer entangled in a dangling rope.

Speaker A

It's, like, wrapped around his antlers.

Speaker A

And that is in Michigan.

Speaker A

Sassy pony leads Indiana troopers on a.

Speaker A

A hoof chase.

Speaker B

Oh, God.

Speaker A

Red panda escapes zoo and is found in a Polish hospital parking lot.

Speaker A

Alabama police search for the owner of a runaway goat, an owl.

Speaker A

This is a little behind, but it just got released.

Speaker A

An owl strikes a pose on a Christmas tree after.

Speaker A

After flying down somebody's chimney.

Speaker A

In Virginia.

Speaker B

Oh, my gosh.

Speaker A

Midland fire and Rescue was alerted to find a large horse had become loose and walked across a pool cover and fell into the pool.

Speaker B

Oh, no.

Speaker A

And finally.

Speaker A

I mean, so obviously the theme.

Speaker A

Would you like to Put it all together.

Speaker B

I mean it.

Speaker B

They're taking over.

Speaker B

Animals are taking over the world.

Speaker A

A week of animals are on the loose all over the world.

Speaker A

You're right.

Speaker A

I think it's a thing.

Speaker A

Then finally, this one is my favorite.

Speaker A

And I try to imagine what would happen if this happened to me.

Speaker A

And the headline is vulture, that quote loves people, escapes a nature show in Georgia.

Speaker A

Here's the thing.

Speaker A

I had to read this one because a rescued black vulture escaped from his home in Georgia.

Speaker A

That is a dozen nature show.

Speaker A

And has been seen wandering loose south of Atlanta.

Speaker A

Okay, Atlanta, not an animal friendly place.

Speaker A

No, I would just go with his.

Speaker A

They.

Speaker A

They alerted everybody because somehow he got loose from his enclosure.

Speaker A

And here's the quote.

Speaker A

They alerted everybody because they just don't want you to hurt Buzz, okay?

Speaker A

Because Buzz loves people, loves cuddles, and loves uppies, and may try to fly to you.

Speaker B

Oh, stop it right now.

Speaker A

Could you imagine if you were, like, walking around the streets of Atlanta and.

Speaker B

A freaking vulture wanted to jump in your arms?

Speaker B

That is the foulest thing.

Speaker B

Oh, pun intended.

Speaker B

Oh, my God.

Speaker A

I would freak out.

Speaker A

They.

Speaker A

I will be honest.

Speaker A

They are my favorite birds words because they have a very valuable place, very important job.

Speaker B

Yep.

Speaker B

For sure.

Speaker A

But that valuable place should be very far from me.

Speaker B

They nasty.

Speaker B

There's a reason they don't have feathers on their head.

Speaker B

It's because they're gross.

Speaker A

If you was like, walking around the streets of Atlanta and like this, this vulture buzzard was like, hey, can I get in your arms?

Speaker B

Hey, bestie.

Speaker A

Anyway, it was last spotted.

Speaker A

Buzz was last spotted Thursday in a Columbus, Georgia residence yard.

Speaker A

But he left before the owner could be found or could get there.

Speaker A

My God.

Speaker B

Oh, I just.

Speaker B

I need Buzz to have a reality TV show.

Speaker B

I need cameras following him.

Speaker A

I think so.

Speaker A

So anyway, all of these weird animal stories, they're all.

Speaker A

Everything's on the loose.

Speaker A

And just watch out for everything.

Speaker A

How about that?

Speaker B

Perfect.

Speaker A

Well, everybody have a wonderful day.

Speaker A

I gotta get down to the ferrier.

Speaker A

Ashley, he just told me.

Speaker A

I'm sorry.

Speaker A

When does this ever happen?

Speaker A

My farrier is gonna be here early.

Speaker A

What?

Speaker A

What?

Speaker A

What?

Speaker A

That doesn't happen.

Speaker B

I think you should ride because that's a sign of good luck.

Speaker A

So it's a beautiful day here in Oklahoma.

Speaker A

I think I might have to do that.

Speaker A

And everybody, thank you for joining us.

Speaker A

Ashley, thank you for popping in.

Speaker A

Oh, Glenn texted me and he wanted me to read you something.

Speaker A

Did you get this text?

Speaker B

My phone's on do not disturb because I'm a.

Speaker B

I'm a responsible podcaster.

Speaker A

Oh, I am very irresponsible, but otherwise I wouldn't get all of this fun information.

Speaker A

Glenn says close the show with this.

Speaker A

And so imagine this is his voice.

Speaker A

I'm not going to do his voice because that would be insulting.

Speaker A

What's it like owning a horse?

Speaker A

Imagine caring for a giant hyperactive drama queen with the appetite of a vacuum and the survival instincts of a potato.

Speaker A

Love you, Glenn.

Speaker A

Spanded or dulled everybody?