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In 1811, Newitt Vick, a Methodist minister from Virginia, purchased a large

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tract of land in the Mississippi area.

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thriving

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Vick saw the potential for a thriving river port and began to plan a town.

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He envisioned a bustling community that would serve as a vital link

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between the Mississippi River and the fertile interior of the state.

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didn't Tragically, Newadvick didn't live to see his dream realized.

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He fell victim to yellow fever in 1819, just as his plans

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were beginning to take shape.

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However, his family, particularly his son in law, John Lane, carried on his vision.

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The town was officially established in 1825 and named

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Vicksburg in honor of its founder.

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Its location on a high bluff overlooking the Mississippi River proved to be ideal.

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The natural defenses provided by the terrain combined with the easy access

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to river trade quickly made Vicksburg an important commercial center.

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the As steamboats began to ply the waters of the Mississippi with increasing

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frequency, Vicksburg grew rapidly.

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Cotton planters from the surrounding region recognized the town's value as

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a shipping point, and soon Vicksburg was handling a significant portion

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of Mississippi's cotton exports.

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The founding of Vicksburg is a testament to the foresight of Newitt Vick and the

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determination of those who followed him.

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From its humble beginnings, the city would go on to play a crucial role

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in American history, particularly during the Civil War, cementing its

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place in the nation's narrative.

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Jenn:

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plan on visiting places like Vicksburg.

Jenn:

Yeah.

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So if you're like me and you're driving somewhere and you're like,

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Oh, is there a podcast about that?

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So I can know what to see before I get there.

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I would have loved one about Vicksburg because we stumbled upon

Jenn:

some really awesome things and it would have been nice to know those

Jenn:

were there even before we had set

Scott:

Yeah, I was very impressed.

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surprised at the different spots that Vicksburg outside

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of the battlefield, right?

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Because we kind of spent two days there.

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I was surprised at how much history there was just in the city itself,

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regardless of the actual battlefield, which everybody knows it for.

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But there was a lot of history that happened there.

Jenn:

Absolutely.

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And we will do a battlefield podcast.

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So if you're looking for specific Vicksburg battlefield information,

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that's going to be on a separate podcast, but we are going to cover that.

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But if you want to listen to this, if you're visiting the.

Jenn:

city.

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And you're like, I have more time than just going to the battlefield.

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This is what this is for you.

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So we get to Vicksburg and Scott is super, super smart.

Jenn:

I have to say he looks up like a downtown area because we get there

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kind of late and we have the kids and we want to let them out and play.

Jenn:

So he looks up a playground.

Jenn:

And when we get to downtown Vicksburg, it is Amazing.

Jenn:

They have these murals painted along the river of the history of Vicksburg,

Jenn:

and they have these great play areas that look like old steamboats, where the

Jenn:

kids could play and have a great time.

Jenn:

It was blasting like jazz music.

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really cool.

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And like the sun was setting, it was beautiful.

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And if you watch our video on this, like I flew my drone real quick to

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kind of get some cool drone shots.

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we got down there and we were just kind of trying to get out of the car because

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we didn't want to go to the Airbnb yet.

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And so I looked up a playground and kind of thought a lot of times cities will

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have playgrounds near their commercial centers or near a touristy area.

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And this was right on the waterfront.

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Yeah.

Jenn:

It was so cool.

Jenn:

Amazing.

Jenn:

They downtown Vicksburg, it's, they say it's, it's vibrant

Jenn:

and charming and walkable.

Jenn:

It's all of those things, but it was very like uniquely Southern and it was

Jenn:

just a really beautiful place to be.

Jenn:

And I recommend going down there in the evening, in the morning when

Jenn:

it's a little cooler, especially in the summer months, like with us.

Jenn:

Now, what you're going to see the waterfront there is the Yazoo River.

Jenn:

In the time of the Civil War, that was the Mississippi River.

Jenn:

The Mississippi River has changed course, and now it just has an

Jenn:

inlet now to the Mississippi there.

Jenn:

But that used to be the course of the Mississippi River.

Jenn:

So if you want to go out and stand on that riverfront, that

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is what the steamboats went down.

Jenn:

That's what the ironclads went down, the timberclads.

Jenn:

But when we got down there to downtown Vicksburg, it walks you through the

Jenn:

history of Vicksburg with these murals and it tells you just some really

Jenn:

unique, fun history about Vicksburg.

Jenn:

Things that I didn't know Teddy Roosevelt and he had come down to Vicksburg He

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was like 25 miles north of Vicksburg for a four day bear hunt and a hunter had

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went out before him and Scouted a bear.

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It was an older bear who was kind of injured and he had tied it to a tree

Jenn:

Waiting for the president to come so the president could easily kill it and when

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Roosevelt arrived he couldn't shoot this defenseless injured bear and political

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cartoonists drew Roosevelt getting to this poor defenseless bear and he called

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it drawing the line in Mississippi toy manufacturers started producing teddy

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bears in response to this, like in honor of Roosevelt for not killing the bear.

Jenn:

And so that is something that's such a part of Americana, the teddy

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bear, you see teddy bears everywhere and people have owned some sort

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of teddy bear in their lifetime,

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and I have a feeling too, because I'm pretty sure we've watched what is

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it, Antiques Roadshow, and, there was teddy bear figures made before 1902.

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I think some of the famous ones we always see on Antiques

Scott:

Roadshow is the stife ones, right?

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So they're probably in the late 1800s, but I think this is where the nickname,

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the moniker of Quote unquote teddy bear kind of really had its roots and I

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thought that was so neat because these murals did such a good job And so this

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again if you go watch the video we'll kind of show you the locations and we'll

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show you these murals, but it's teddy roosevelt sitting on a horse with his

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whole entourage that's how the press heard about it because he's the president he's

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traveling with an entourage And there's this bear just kind of looking up and

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teddy roosevelt's kind of looking out at you from the mural and then learning

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about Why this was there because it happened right there outside of Vicksburg.

Jenn:

Yeah, and what's really neat about each of these murals is they

Jenn:

have kind of like a historic marker right in front of them that is in

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bronze that kind of tells you the whole history of the mural as you look at it.

Jenn:

One another one that I thought was neat, they have about

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eight or nine historic markers.

Jenn:

Like actually at that downtown commemorating different ships, different

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times in history, some to the Civil War, the first shots fired, the

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first ship that was sank during the Civil War, iron clads, timber clads.

Jenn:

But one of the ones I thought that was very interesting was the Sultana.

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this was an interesting story, and you told it in a good way on the video.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

So what's interesting about the Sultana is it actually sinks in Memphis.

Jenn:

And we know it here in Memphis has a little museum to it, but it's the biggest

Jenn:

maritime disaster in American history.

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was like a kind of classic steam paddleboat type ship,

Jenn:

Yes.

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Just a side wheel steamboat.

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And it sank on the Mississippi river, April 27th, 1865,

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killing more than 1500 people.

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What's significant about Vicksburg is Vicksburg is where it was loaded up.

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The captain was approached by a quartermaster at

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Vicksburg with a proposal.

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Thousands of recently released Union prisoners of war who were held in

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these confederate prison camps had been brought to Vicksburg and they were

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awaiting release to the Northern States.

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And he was going to pay like a big sum of money, I think like

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3 per enlisted, 8 per officer.

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to take him up north.

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Now this ship is only supposed to hold about 300 people and he ends up

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loading on again like 2, 000 people.

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So if you imagine a steamboat, it's very top heavy anyway, and when you get

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all that weight on it rocks, so if It made it from Vicksburg up to Memphis.

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And then at Memphis is where it really starts rocking.

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And these boilers get super hot with the rock.

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And when it leans to the other side, they explode.

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And so these 1500 men go into the water and they die because

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they're weak and they haven't been, they're just prisoners of war.

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And so it's this big, It's a huge maritime disaster.

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All these men are killed, but no one knows about it because another really

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famous man was killed the day before.

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And that was John Wilkes Booth.

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And that filled the headlines of newspapers.

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So no one knows about the Sultana, but they had a marker there in

Jenn:

Vicksburg to that loading of those men.

Jenn:

And then we'll do another story about what happened in Memphis and we'll

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actually take you to a grave site where most of those men are buried.

Scott:

Yeah, and there's a whole mural there.

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I actually read when I was prepping for the podcast that there are more

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men who died in the Sultana accident than who died on the Titanic.

Jenn:

Yeah, that's, the biggest maritime disaster in history.

Jenn:

It's like

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it's, it's one of those ones you hear about it, you're like, wait, what?

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How?

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How is this not something that I knew about?

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More people died in that accident than died on, on the Titanic.

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And it was buried, essentially, because it was the same day that John

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Wilkes Booth was hunted down and shot.

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So it was really fascinating.

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If you get to Vicksburg, I highly recommend going down to the waterfront

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and seeing these murals if you're going to do one or two things.

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We're going to talk about a couple more, but there's so many, you can

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just kind of spend like probably a good hour easily just kind of walking

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and reading and looking at the murals.

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It's quite fascinating.

Jenn:

one of the things I didn't realize was how much Jefferson

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Davis was from Vicksburg.

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He's from the area.

Jenn:

Yeah, I had no idea.

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And, There's a mural to him and I was reading it and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh

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So Jefferson Davis, not only is he, he he's the confederate president During

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the Civil War, but he had his plantation right outside of Vicksburg Just a few

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miles outside of Vicksburg and when he receives the news that he's been

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elected president of the Confederacy.

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Mississippi is one of the first states to secede from the Union.

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And so he leaves there to go get sworn in as president.

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But I had no idea.

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I was like, I'm looking at this mural and it shows him at his plantation

Jenn:

getting the news and he's there with his wife, Rina and his children.

Jenn:

Now we've covered Jefferson Davis before because we did

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his home in Richmond, Virginia,

Scott:

Yeah, we actually got a great comment on that white

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house of the Confederacy video, right from, from Richmond.

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Someone watched that video.

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Cause we go inside and we actually take you in there and we show you.

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It's when we started getting better at our videos.

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I started getting a little bit better with.

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b roll shooting and stuff like that and so we go inside and it was

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really cool and we got a really nice comment someone said it was one of

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their favorite videos on that topic

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yeah, it's a very interesting place.

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The White House of the Confederacy.

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This is where Jefferson Davis will live.

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during his time as president of the Confederacy is in Richmond, Virginia.

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He learns of his selection there at Vicksburg.

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And there's a mural to that.

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But like I said, you can walk along these murals.

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They're just fantastic.

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They tell you there's so much more history, I'm not going to tell you.

Jenn:

touch here, something about the the most played melodrama in history.

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It's from Vicksburg.

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There's there's a lot of musicians, especially blues musicians from Vicksburg.

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There's just a lot of great history along those murals.

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But speaking of Jefferson Davis.

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We went to this house, and it's right down the road from the original marker

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of Vicksburg, and it's called Achuca.

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And it's an antebellum home built in the late 1820s.

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And it's where Jefferson Davis will go after he's pardoned

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in 1868 by President Johnson.

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that was like christmas day like he issued he issued his

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pardon on christmas day to basically all of the men who participated

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in the rebellion in the civil war

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exactly.

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it was kind of a forgiveness.

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giving and reconciliation moment for President Johnson.

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He's the president after Lincoln, and he's trying to have

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some healing for the nation.

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So he pardons everybody involved in the rebellion.

Jenn:

And Jefferson Davis is held in prison.

Jenn:

We've been there.

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If you want to see what Jefferson Davis's cell was.

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Monroe in Virginia.

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And so we have a whole video on that.

Jenn:

But He comes back to Vicksburg, and he comes back to the home of his brother,

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Joseph, who is right along that main road into this Greek style home called Anchuca,

Jenn:

which means a happy place in the Chickasaw language, which is the Native Americans

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of the area and he goes up onto the balcony and they say that's where he gives

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his last public address to the people.

Jenn:

It's from that balcony.

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So I stand in front of it.

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I show you now the people of Achuca.

Jenn:

It's, it's open for business.

Jenn:

And they saw that video on Instagram and they would just love to have

Jenn:

more people come out and see it.

Jenn:

It is a very neat place.

Jenn:

It's open for dining.

Scott:

I think we probably would have done that had we known, you could go

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eat dinner there or something like that.

Jenn:

Yeah, they have dinner and they have brunch.

Jenn:

So it's just a great place.

Jenn:

It's, full service and you can really have a good Southern meal in the

Jenn:

same place that Jefferson Davis ate,

Jenn:

And so there's another kind of famous home in Vicksburg, the McRaven house.

Jenn:

they claim it's the most haunted house in Mississippi.

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the whole state.

Jenn:

In the whole state, which it's an old state and it's, I

Jenn:

would say there's a lot of traumas that have happened in that state.

Jenn:

So for this house to claim to be the most haunted, to hold onto that

Jenn:

emotional trauma, it's very interesting.

Jenn:

They have had.

Jenn:

Ghost hunters, they're famous ghost hunters.

Jenn:

If you're a ghost hunter enthusiast and to watch some of those shows

Jenn:

They have had some people from those shows go to that house.

Jenn:

So the McRaven house was built in 1797 So it's very old and it was

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built by an Andrew Glass At the time the house was called Walnut

Jenn:

Hills and He was a highwayman.

Jenn:

So we talk about the Natchez Trace, which was a famous trail for people

Jenn:

to travel from Natchez, Mississippi up to Nashville and basically will

Jenn:

take you all the way up north into the more populated areas of America at the

Jenn:

time But highwaymen were people who would rob people along those trails

Jenn:

You hear about them in London and in France, and we had

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them in America as well.

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so he would rob people then come back to his house and

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kind of look at his treasures.

Jenn:

Eventually, he's killed by his wife and they say he haunts McRaven house.

Jenn:

Now it's had other things happen there as well.

Jenn:

In 1838 there was a sheriff that owned McRaven house and he had a young bride

Jenn:

who dies in childbirth in the house and other people have owned the house.

Jenn:

They have also died in the house.

Jenn:

And it was used as a confederate hospital during the siege of Vicksburg.

Jenn:

So there were men not only in the house, but out among the yard in

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makeshift tents who were dying.

Scott:

So you get you kind of do you sense the theme here?

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There's been a lot of death around this house And so you can kind of guess as to

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why people would say this is one of the most haunted houses in all of Mississippi

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

And those ghost hunters, they claim to have contacted the ghost of Andrew Glass,

Jenn:

who is the aggressive ghost of the house.

Jenn:

But McRaven house is also open for you to dine and to tour.

Jenn:

And so it's another place if you're looking for something

Jenn:

fun to do in Vicksburg and you're into that sort of thing.

Jenn:

It used to be on McRaven road and that's why it has the name McRaven

Jenn:

house, but that's no longer the road.

Jenn:

It's now 1503 Harrison street, but you can tell it's the original area of Vicksburg.

Scott:

Now one of the things that I liked and I don't know if this

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is what you were gonna move on to next was more of the downtown with

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some, some modern day ties, right?

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And this was the Coca Cola memorabilia museum.

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I had not even thought to think of something like that.

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And you said, Oh, there's a Coca Cola museum.

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I was like, why is there a Coca Cola museum here?

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And it was because the very first bottle of Coke was bottled there in Vicksburg.

Jenn:

Yeah.

Jenn:

How interesting is

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It's crazy.

Jenn:

So Coca Cola is invented in, as we all know, in Georgia.

Jenn:

And it is invented by a confederate.

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think that's where the big museum is.

Jenn:

It's what the big museum is.

Jenn:

And in 1894, the owner of the downtown Vicksburg candy shop Benningham

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Bite and harn.

Jenn:

He decides to bottle this for his rural customers.

Jenn:

So Vicksburg is not only like a rural area, but they're on the Mississippi.

Jenn:

So you can imagine they can get to people easily.

Jenn:

That's the main.

Jenn:

It's a good transportation hub.

Jenn:

And so he feels like if I could bottle this fountain drink for my customers,

Jenn:

it would be really great for business because Coca Cola time is thought of

Jenn:

as more than just a refreshing drink.

Jenn:

They use it for medicine and to calm the stomach and things like that.

Jenn:

So Coca Cola gives them the okay, gives them the recipe and they're

Jenn:

the very first people to bottle it.

Jenn:

Now, this is downtown Vicksburg.

Jenn:

This is not along the waterfront where the murals are.

Jenn:

This is like the main street.

Jenn:

So it's 1107 Washington Street.

Jenn:

And you can tell there's cool kind of ghost writing on big buildings

Jenn:

there from the times when this was probably happening in the 1800s.

Scott:

Yeah.

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And I'll put a link in the show notes.

Scott:

So I, when we go to these locations, I try to be good about kind of marking

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each spot and kind of collecting it as like a Google map kind of folder.

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So I'll actually, I'll put a link and if you click on this Google

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maps link, it'll show you all of the spots that I saved, whether it's the

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waterfront murals, the Coca Cola museum.

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The different houses and you can click on it.

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It'll open up your Google maps app, and then it'll show you

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all these places to be visited.

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So if you are going down there and you're listening to this on the way

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down, look in the show notes of this podcast episode, click on that Google

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maps link, and then automatically you have all these spots just ready to go

Jenn:

Absolutely.

Jenn:

And two places we really didn't get to see, but I want to touch on them is rape.

Jenn:

Well, three actually right beside the Coca Cola museum is a awesome little park and

Jenn:

it says Vicksburg and it has 200 and has a great place where you can put your phone

Jenn:

and you can stand by the sign and click.

Jenn:

There's also a great maritime museum and it's made from an old steamboat

Jenn:

that they've dry docked and they've retrofitted and you can go visit this

Jenn:

museum to the history of the Mississippi and the different boats and the people

Jenn:

who have worked along that river.

Jenn:

And then there's also a little Civil War museum along that

Jenn:

street that I hear has some really great relics and things in there.

Jenn:

it's not well known, but it's really cool from what I hear.

Jenn:

So that's another place we didn't get to visit, but it's

Jenn:

all along that main street.

Scott:

and that main street where the Coca Cola Museum is, where the Vicksburg Park

Scott:

is and the museums, it's literally like two blocks from the riverfront murals.

Jenn:

Yeah, you could walk up there.

Jenn:

I mean, you can see the riverfront murals and there's an old courthouse there

Jenn:

that used to be the original courthouse.

Jenn:

That's where Grant is going to his famous picture.

Jenn:

He comes after they've sieged Vicksburg and they've won.

Jenn:

That courthouse is also now a museum.

Jenn:

So it's just a really great city.

Jenn:

It has so much history.

Jenn:

It was great for the kids.

Jenn:

they loved playing downtown.

Jenn:

It was beautiful.

Jenn:

I felt safe there.

Jenn:

great food, great Southern hospitality.

Jenn:

I would definitely recommend if you're going to visit, spend two days,

Jenn:

definitely one day for the battlefield.

Jenn:

Do you want to see that the civil war battlefield there?

Jenn:

That's the key to the South.

Jenn:

And then another day.

Jenn:

for the actual city.

Jenn:

Walk with History had a wonderful time.

Jenn:

We hope if you're driving there right now or if you're going that we've given

Jenn:

you some good ideas and places to see.

Jenn:

And please let us know what you thought about your visit to Vicksburg.

Scott:

Yeah, it was super fun and it very much made Vicksburg more

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to me than just the battlefield.

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Some of these cities and towns kind of become only the battlefield.

Scott:

For especially for American Civil War stuff, but to me, it's a little

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bit akin to Gettysburg because you can do the battlefield for an

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entire day, if not more, because there's a lot to do over there.

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And we'll talk about that on another episode coming up, but then there's

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plenty to do in the town and in the city.

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So it was really neat.

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As we wrap up our journey through Vicksburg history, it's worth noting

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that these fascinating tidbits that make this city truly unique.

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Before you listen to this podcast, you may not have known that Vicksburg was

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the site of the first bottling of Coca Cola in 1894, or that the beloved teddy

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bear got its name from an incident involving Theodore Roosevelt during

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a hunting trip near the area in 1902.

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These little known facts add an extra layer of intrigue to the city's

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already rich historical tapestry.

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When you chat with your fellow history fans, remember that Vicksburg

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history isn't all lighthearted.

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The city was the scene of the worst maritime disaster in U.

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S.

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history when the steamboat Sultana exploded not too far

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from its shores in 1865, claiming more lives than the Titanic.

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During the Civil War, Vicksburg earned the nickname Gibraltar of the Confederacy

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due to its strategic importance.

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Interestingly, the city didn't celebrate Independence Day for 81

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years after the Civil War, only resuming the tradition in 1945.

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These captivating historical nuggets showcase why Vicksburg

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continues to fascinate history buffs and casual learners alike.

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When you visit Vicksburg, make sure you take the time to get beyond the

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battlefield to these fascinating and important historical sites.

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This has been a Walk With History production.

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Talk With History is created and hosted by me, Scott Bennie.

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Episode researched by Jennifer Bennie.

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