In 1811, Newitt Vick, a Methodist minister from Virginia, purchased a large
Scott:tract of land in the Mississippi area.
Scott:thriving
Scott:Vick saw the potential for a thriving river port and began to plan a town.
Scott:He envisioned a bustling community that would serve as a vital link
Scott:between the Mississippi River and the fertile interior of the state.
Scott:didn't Tragically, Newadvick didn't live to see his dream realized.
Scott:He fell victim to yellow fever in 1819, just as his plans
Scott:were beginning to take shape.
Scott:However, his family, particularly his son in law, John Lane, carried on his vision.
Scott:The town was officially established in 1825 and named
Scott:Vicksburg in honor of its founder.
Scott:Its location on a high bluff overlooking the Mississippi River proved to be ideal.
Scott:The natural defenses provided by the terrain combined with the easy access
Scott:to river trade quickly made Vicksburg an important commercial center.
Scott:the As steamboats began to ply the waters of the Mississippi with increasing
Scott:frequency, Vicksburg grew rapidly.
Scott:Cotton planters from the surrounding region recognized the town's value as
Scott:a shipping point, and soon Vicksburg was handling a significant portion
Scott:of Mississippi's cotton exports.
Scott:The founding of Vicksburg is a testament to the foresight of Newitt Vick and the
Scott:determination of those who followed him.
Scott:From its humble beginnings, the city would go on to play a crucial role
Scott:in American history, particularly during the Civil War, cementing its
Scott:place in the nation's narrative.
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Scott:I'm your host, Scott, here with my wife and historian,
Jenn:Hello.
Jenn:Hello.
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Scott:plan on visiting places like Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So if you're like me and you're driving somewhere and you're like,
Jenn:Oh, is there a podcast about that?
Jenn:So I can know what to see before I get there.
Jenn:I would have loved one about Vicksburg because we stumbled upon
Jenn:some really awesome things and it would have been nice to know those
Jenn:were there even before we had set
Scott:Yeah, I was very impressed.
Scott:surprised at the different spots that Vicksburg outside
Scott:of the battlefield, right?
Scott:Because we kind of spent two days there.
Scott:I was surprised at how much history there was just in the city itself,
Scott:regardless of the actual battlefield, which everybody knows it for.
Scott:But there was a lot of history that happened there.
Jenn:Absolutely.
Jenn:And we will do a battlefield podcast.
Jenn:So if you're looking for specific Vicksburg battlefield information,
Jenn:that's going to be on a separate podcast, but we are going to cover that.
Jenn:But if you want to listen to this, if you're visiting the.
Jenn:city.
Jenn:And you're like, I have more time than just going to the battlefield.
Jenn:This is what this is for you.
Jenn:So we get to Vicksburg and Scott is super, super smart.
Jenn:I have to say he looks up like a downtown area because we get there
Jenn:kind of late and we have the kids and we want to let them out and play.
Jenn:So he looks up a playground.
Jenn:And when we get to downtown Vicksburg, it is Amazing.
Jenn:They have these murals painted along the river of the history of Vicksburg,
Jenn:and they have these great play areas that look like old steamboats, where the
Jenn:kids could play and have a great time.
Jenn:It was blasting like jazz music.
Scott:really cool.
Scott:And like the sun was setting, it was beautiful.
Scott:And if you watch our video on this, like I flew my drone real quick to
Scott:kind of get some cool drone shots.
Scott:we got down there and we were just kind of trying to get out of the car because
Scott:we didn't want to go to the Airbnb yet.
Scott:And so I looked up a playground and kind of thought a lot of times cities will
Scott:have playgrounds near their commercial centers or near a touristy area.
Scott:And this was right on the waterfront.
Scott:Yeah.
Jenn:It was so cool.
Jenn:Amazing.
Jenn:They downtown Vicksburg, it's, they say it's, it's vibrant
Jenn:and charming and walkable.
Jenn:It's all of those things, but it was very like uniquely Southern and it was
Jenn:just a really beautiful place to be.
Jenn:And I recommend going down there in the evening, in the morning when
Jenn:it's a little cooler, especially in the summer months, like with us.
Jenn:Now, what you're going to see the waterfront there is the Yazoo River.
Jenn:In the time of the Civil War, that was the Mississippi River.
Jenn:The Mississippi River has changed course, and now it just has an
Jenn:inlet now to the Mississippi there.
Jenn:But that used to be the course of the Mississippi River.
Jenn:So if you want to go out and stand on that riverfront, that
Jenn:is what the steamboats went down.
Jenn:That's what the ironclads went down, the timberclads.
Jenn:But when we got down there to downtown Vicksburg, it walks you through the
Jenn:history of Vicksburg with these murals and it tells you just some really
Jenn:unique, fun history about Vicksburg.
Jenn:Things that I didn't know Teddy Roosevelt and he had come down to Vicksburg He
Jenn:was like 25 miles north of Vicksburg for a four day bear hunt and a hunter had
Jenn:went out before him and Scouted a bear.
Jenn:It was an older bear who was kind of injured and he had tied it to a tree
Jenn:Waiting for the president to come so the president could easily kill it and when
Jenn:Roosevelt arrived he couldn't shoot this defenseless injured bear and political
Jenn:cartoonists drew Roosevelt getting to this poor defenseless bear and he called
Jenn:it drawing the line in Mississippi toy manufacturers started producing teddy
Jenn:bears in response to this, like in honor of Roosevelt for not killing the bear.
Jenn:And so that is something that's such a part of Americana, the teddy
Jenn:bear, you see teddy bears everywhere and people have owned some sort
Jenn:of teddy bear in their lifetime,
Scott:and I have a feeling too, because I'm pretty sure we've watched what is
Scott:it, Antiques Roadshow, and, there was teddy bear figures made before 1902.
Scott:I think some of the famous ones we always see on Antiques
Scott:Roadshow is the stife ones, right?
Scott:So they're probably in the late 1800s, but I think this is where the nickname,
Scott:the moniker of Quote unquote teddy bear kind of really had its roots and I
Scott:thought that was so neat because these murals did such a good job And so this
Scott:again if you go watch the video we'll kind of show you the locations and we'll
Scott:show you these murals, but it's teddy roosevelt sitting on a horse with his
Scott:whole entourage that's how the press heard about it because he's the president he's
Scott:traveling with an entourage And there's this bear just kind of looking up and
Scott:teddy roosevelt's kind of looking out at you from the mural and then learning
Scott:about Why this was there because it happened right there outside of Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah, and what's really neat about each of these murals is they
Jenn:have kind of like a historic marker right in front of them that is in
Jenn:bronze that kind of tells you the whole history of the mural as you look at it.
Jenn:One another one that I thought was neat, they have about
Jenn:eight or nine historic markers.
Jenn:Like actually at that downtown commemorating different ships, different
Jenn:times in history, some to the Civil War, the first shots fired, the
Jenn:first ship that was sank during the Civil War, iron clads, timber clads.
Jenn:But one of the ones I thought that was very interesting was the Sultana.
Scott:this was an interesting story, and you told it in a good way on the video.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:So what's interesting about the Sultana is it actually sinks in Memphis.
Jenn:And we know it here in Memphis has a little museum to it, but it's the biggest
Jenn:maritime disaster in American history.
Scott:was like a kind of classic steam paddleboat type ship,
Jenn:Yes.
Jenn:Just a side wheel steamboat.
Jenn:And it sank on the Mississippi river, April 27th, 1865,
Jenn:killing more than 1500 people.
Jenn:What's significant about Vicksburg is Vicksburg is where it was loaded up.
Jenn:The captain was approached by a quartermaster at
Jenn:Vicksburg with a proposal.
Jenn:Thousands of recently released Union prisoners of war who were held in
Jenn:these confederate prison camps had been brought to Vicksburg and they were
Jenn:awaiting release to the Northern States.
Jenn:And he was going to pay like a big sum of money, I think like
Jenn:3 per enlisted, 8 per officer.
Jenn:to take him up north.
Jenn:Now this ship is only supposed to hold about 300 people and he ends up
Jenn:loading on again like 2, 000 people.
Jenn:So if you imagine a steamboat, it's very top heavy anyway, and when you get
Jenn:all that weight on it rocks, so if It made it from Vicksburg up to Memphis.
Jenn:And then at Memphis is where it really starts rocking.
Jenn:And these boilers get super hot with the rock.
Jenn:And when it leans to the other side, they explode.
Jenn:And so these 1500 men go into the water and they die because
Jenn:they're weak and they haven't been, they're just prisoners of war.
Jenn:And so it's this big, It's a huge maritime disaster.
Jenn:All these men are killed, but no one knows about it because another really
Jenn:famous man was killed the day before.
Jenn:And that was John Wilkes Booth.
Jenn:And that filled the headlines of newspapers.
Jenn:So no one knows about the Sultana, but they had a marker there in
Jenn:Vicksburg to that loading of those men.
Jenn:And then we'll do another story about what happened in Memphis and we'll
Jenn:actually take you to a grave site where most of those men are buried.
Scott:Yeah, and there's a whole mural there.
Scott:I actually read when I was prepping for the podcast that there are more
Scott:men who died in the Sultana accident than who died on the Titanic.
Jenn:Yeah, that's, the biggest maritime disaster in history.
Jenn:It's like
Scott:it's, it's one of those ones you hear about it, you're like, wait, what?
Scott:How?
Scott:How is this not something that I knew about?
Scott:More people died in that accident than died on, on the Titanic.
Scott:And it was buried, essentially, because it was the same day that John
Scott:Wilkes Booth was hunted down and shot.
Scott:So it was really fascinating.
Scott:If you get to Vicksburg, I highly recommend going down to the waterfront
Scott:and seeing these murals if you're going to do one or two things.
Scott:We're going to talk about a couple more, but there's so many, you can
Scott:just kind of spend like probably a good hour easily just kind of walking
Scott:and reading and looking at the murals.
Scott:It's quite fascinating.
Jenn:one of the things I didn't realize was how much Jefferson
Jenn:Davis was from Vicksburg.
Scott:He's from the area.
Jenn:Yeah, I had no idea.
Jenn:And, There's a mural to him and I was reading it and I'm like, oh, oh my gosh
Jenn:So Jefferson Davis, not only is he, he he's the confederate president During
Jenn:the Civil War, but he had his plantation right outside of Vicksburg Just a few
Jenn:miles outside of Vicksburg and when he receives the news that he's been
Jenn:elected president of the Confederacy.
Jenn:Mississippi is one of the first states to secede from the Union.
Jenn:And so he leaves there to go get sworn in as president.
Jenn:But I had no idea.
Jenn:I was like, I'm looking at this mural and it shows him at his plantation
Jenn:getting the news and he's there with his wife, Rina and his children.
Jenn:Now we've covered Jefferson Davis before because we did
Jenn:his home in Richmond, Virginia,
Scott:Yeah, we actually got a great comment on that white
Scott:house of the Confederacy video, right from, from Richmond.
Scott:Someone watched that video.
Scott:Cause we go inside and we actually take you in there and we show you.
Scott:It's when we started getting better at our videos.
Scott:I started getting a little bit better with.
Scott:b roll shooting and stuff like that and so we go inside and it was
Scott:really cool and we got a really nice comment someone said it was one of
Scott:their favorite videos on that topic
Jenn:yeah, it's a very interesting place.
Jenn:The White House of the Confederacy.
Jenn:This is where Jefferson Davis will live.
Jenn:during his time as president of the Confederacy is in Richmond, Virginia.
Jenn:He learns of his selection there at Vicksburg.
Jenn:And there's a mural to that.
Jenn:But like I said, you can walk along these murals.
Jenn:They're just fantastic.
Jenn:They tell you there's so much more history, I'm not going to tell you.
Jenn:touch here, something about the the most played melodrama in history.
Jenn:It's from Vicksburg.
Jenn:There's there's a lot of musicians, especially blues musicians from Vicksburg.
Jenn:There's just a lot of great history along those murals.
Jenn:But speaking of Jefferson Davis.
Jenn:We went to this house, and it's right down the road from the original marker
Jenn:of Vicksburg, and it's called Achuca.
Jenn:And it's an antebellum home built in the late 1820s.
Jenn:And it's where Jefferson Davis will go after he's pardoned
Jenn:in 1868 by President Johnson.
Scott:that was like christmas day like he issued he issued his
Scott:pardon on christmas day to basically all of the men who participated
Scott:in the rebellion in the civil war
Jenn:exactly.
Jenn:it was kind of a forgiveness.
Jenn:giving and reconciliation moment for President Johnson.
Jenn:He's the president after Lincoln, and he's trying to have
Jenn:some healing for the nation.
Jenn:So he pardons everybody involved in the rebellion.
Jenn:And Jefferson Davis is held in prison.
Jenn:We've been there.
Jenn:If you want to see what Jefferson Davis's cell was.
Scott:Monroe in Virginia.
Jenn:And so we have a whole video on that.
Jenn:But He comes back to Vicksburg, and he comes back to the home of his brother,
Jenn:Joseph, who is right along that main road into this Greek style home called Anchuca,
Jenn:which means a happy place in the Chickasaw language, which is the Native Americans
Jenn:of the area and he goes up onto the balcony and they say that's where he gives
Jenn:his last public address to the people.
Jenn:It's from that balcony.
Jenn:So I stand in front of it.
Jenn:I show you now the people of Achuca.
Jenn:It's, it's open for business.
Jenn:And they saw that video on Instagram and they would just love to have
Jenn:more people come out and see it.
Jenn:It is a very neat place.
Jenn:It's open for dining.
Scott:I think we probably would have done that had we known, you could go
Scott:eat dinner there or something like that.
Jenn:Yeah, they have dinner and they have brunch.
Jenn:So it's just a great place.
Jenn:It's, full service and you can really have a good Southern meal in the
Jenn:same place that Jefferson Davis ate,
Jenn:And so there's another kind of famous home in Vicksburg, the McRaven house.
Jenn:they claim it's the most haunted house in Mississippi.
Scott:the whole state.
Jenn:In the whole state, which it's an old state and it's, I
Jenn:would say there's a lot of traumas that have happened in that state.
Jenn:So for this house to claim to be the most haunted, to hold onto that
Jenn:emotional trauma, it's very interesting.
Jenn:They have had.
Jenn:Ghost hunters, they're famous ghost hunters.
Jenn:If you're a ghost hunter enthusiast and to watch some of those shows
Jenn:They have had some people from those shows go to that house.
Jenn:So the McRaven house was built in 1797 So it's very old and it was
Jenn:built by an Andrew Glass At the time the house was called Walnut
Jenn:Hills and He was a highwayman.
Jenn:So we talk about the Natchez Trace, which was a famous trail for people
Jenn:to travel from Natchez, Mississippi up to Nashville and basically will
Jenn:take you all the way up north into the more populated areas of America at the
Jenn:time But highwaymen were people who would rob people along those trails
Jenn:You hear about them in London and in France, and we had
Jenn:them in America as well.
Jenn:so he would rob people then come back to his house and
Jenn:kind of look at his treasures.
Jenn:Eventually, he's killed by his wife and they say he haunts McRaven house.
Jenn:Now it's had other things happen there as well.
Jenn:In 1838 there was a sheriff that owned McRaven house and he had a young bride
Jenn:who dies in childbirth in the house and other people have owned the house.
Jenn:They have also died in the house.
Jenn:And it was used as a confederate hospital during the siege of Vicksburg.
Jenn:So there were men not only in the house, but out among the yard in
Jenn:makeshift tents who were dying.
Scott:So you get you kind of do you sense the theme here?
Scott:There's been a lot of death around this house And so you can kind of guess as to
Scott:why people would say this is one of the most haunted houses in all of Mississippi
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:And those ghost hunters, they claim to have contacted the ghost of Andrew Glass,
Jenn:who is the aggressive ghost of the house.
Jenn:But McRaven house is also open for you to dine and to tour.
Jenn:And so it's another place if you're looking for something
Jenn:fun to do in Vicksburg and you're into that sort of thing.
Jenn:It used to be on McRaven road and that's why it has the name McRaven
Jenn:house, but that's no longer the road.
Jenn:It's now 1503 Harrison street, but you can tell it's the original area of Vicksburg.
Scott:Now one of the things that I liked and I don't know if this
Scott:is what you were gonna move on to next was more of the downtown with
Scott:some, some modern day ties, right?
Scott:And this was the Coca Cola memorabilia museum.
Scott:I had not even thought to think of something like that.
Scott:And you said, Oh, there's a Coca Cola museum.
Scott:I was like, why is there a Coca Cola museum here?
Scott:And it was because the very first bottle of Coke was bottled there in Vicksburg.
Jenn:Yeah.
Jenn:How interesting is
Scott:It's crazy.
Jenn:So Coca Cola is invented in, as we all know, in Georgia.
Jenn:And it is invented by a confederate.
Scott:think that's where the big museum is.
Jenn:It's what the big museum is.
Jenn:And in 1894, the owner of the downtown Vicksburg candy shop Benningham
Scott:Bite and harn.
Jenn:He decides to bottle this for his rural customers.
Jenn:So Vicksburg is not only like a rural area, but they're on the Mississippi.
Jenn:So you can imagine they can get to people easily.
Jenn:That's the main.
Jenn:It's a good transportation hub.
Jenn:And so he feels like if I could bottle this fountain drink for my customers,
Jenn:it would be really great for business because Coca Cola time is thought of
Jenn:as more than just a refreshing drink.
Jenn:They use it for medicine and to calm the stomach and things like that.
Jenn:So Coca Cola gives them the okay, gives them the recipe and they're
Jenn:the very first people to bottle it.
Jenn:Now, this is downtown Vicksburg.
Jenn:This is not along the waterfront where the murals are.
Jenn:This is like the main street.
Jenn:So it's 1107 Washington Street.
Jenn:And you can tell there's cool kind of ghost writing on big buildings
Jenn:there from the times when this was probably happening in the 1800s.
Scott:Yeah.
Scott:And I'll put a link in the show notes.
Scott:So I, when we go to these locations, I try to be good about kind of marking
Scott:each spot and kind of collecting it as like a Google map kind of folder.
Scott:So I'll actually, I'll put a link and if you click on this Google
Scott:maps link, it'll show you all of the spots that I saved, whether it's the
Scott:waterfront murals, the Coca Cola museum.
Scott:The different houses and you can click on it.
Scott:It'll open up your Google maps app, and then it'll show you
Scott:all these places to be visited.
Scott:So if you are going down there and you're listening to this on the way
Scott:down, look in the show notes of this podcast episode, click on that Google
Scott:maps link, and then automatically you have all these spots just ready to go
Jenn:Absolutely.
Jenn:And two places we really didn't get to see, but I want to touch on them is rape.
Jenn:Well, three actually right beside the Coca Cola museum is a awesome little park and
Jenn:it says Vicksburg and it has 200 and has a great place where you can put your phone
Jenn:and you can stand by the sign and click.
Jenn:There's also a great maritime museum and it's made from an old steamboat
Jenn:that they've dry docked and they've retrofitted and you can go visit this
Jenn:museum to the history of the Mississippi and the different boats and the people
Jenn:who have worked along that river.
Jenn:And then there's also a little Civil War museum along that
Jenn:street that I hear has some really great relics and things in there.
Jenn:it's not well known, but it's really cool from what I hear.
Jenn:So that's another place we didn't get to visit, but it's
Jenn:all along that main street.
Scott:and that main street where the Coca Cola Museum is, where the Vicksburg Park
Scott:is and the museums, it's literally like two blocks from the riverfront murals.
Jenn:Yeah, you could walk up there.
Jenn:I mean, you can see the riverfront murals and there's an old courthouse there
Jenn:that used to be the original courthouse.
Jenn:That's where Grant is going to his famous picture.
Jenn:He comes after they've sieged Vicksburg and they've won.
Jenn:That courthouse is also now a museum.
Jenn:So it's just a really great city.
Jenn:It has so much history.
Jenn:It was great for the kids.
Jenn:they loved playing downtown.
Jenn:It was beautiful.
Jenn:I felt safe there.
Jenn:great food, great Southern hospitality.
Jenn:I would definitely recommend if you're going to visit, spend two days,
Jenn:definitely one day for the battlefield.
Jenn:Do you want to see that the civil war battlefield there?
Jenn:That's the key to the South.
Jenn:And then another day.
Jenn:for the actual city.
Jenn:Walk with History had a wonderful time.
Jenn:We hope if you're driving there right now or if you're going that we've given
Jenn:you some good ideas and places to see.
Jenn:And please let us know what you thought about your visit to Vicksburg.
Scott:Yeah, it was super fun and it very much made Vicksburg more
Scott:to me than just the battlefield.
Scott:Some of these cities and towns kind of become only the battlefield.
Scott:For especially for American Civil War stuff, but to me, it's a little
Scott:bit akin to Gettysburg because you can do the battlefield for an
Scott:entire day, if not more, because there's a lot to do over there.
Scott:And we'll talk about that on another episode coming up, but then there's
Scott:plenty to do in the town and in the city.
Scott:So it was really neat.
Scott:As we wrap up our journey through Vicksburg history, it's worth noting
Scott:that these fascinating tidbits that make this city truly unique.
Scott:Before you listen to this podcast, you may not have known that Vicksburg was
Scott:the site of the first bottling of Coca Cola in 1894, or that the beloved teddy
Scott:bear got its name from an incident involving Theodore Roosevelt during
Scott:a hunting trip near the area in 1902.
Scott:These little known facts add an extra layer of intrigue to the city's
Scott:already rich historical tapestry.
Scott:When you chat with your fellow history fans, remember that Vicksburg
Scott:history isn't all lighthearted.
Scott:The city was the scene of the worst maritime disaster in U.
Scott:S.
Scott:history when the steamboat Sultana exploded not too far
Scott:from its shores in 1865, claiming more lives than the Titanic.
Scott:During the Civil War, Vicksburg earned the nickname Gibraltar of the Confederacy
Scott:due to its strategic importance.
Scott:Interestingly, the city didn't celebrate Independence Day for 81
Scott:years after the Civil War, only resuming the tradition in 1945.
Scott:These captivating historical nuggets showcase why Vicksburg
Scott:continues to fascinate history buffs and casual learners alike.
Scott:When you visit Vicksburg, make sure you take the time to get beyond the
Scott:battlefield to these fascinating and important historical sites.
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