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At the intersection of ancient wisdom and future innovation, Nikhil stands as a bridge, a conduit between the mystical and the practical.

As a visionary, strategist, innovator, and catalyst for conscious evolution, he guides change makers through the labyrinth of modern entrepreneurship, transforming bold ideas into world changing realities.

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Nikhil, welcome to Here for the Truth, man.

It's an absolute honor and delight to be here with you both today.

Absolutely, bro.

Little bit of, I guess, backstory since moving to the San Miguel de Allende here in Mexico.

Also found Nikhil here, and we've connected and aligned and worked together on some projects and yeah, just definitely someone who has incredible value to offer in this world.

So, Nikhil, the one way we always like to kick this podcast off is we want to get deep into your personal story, your hero's journey, your major rites of passage, the major catalyzing moments in your life.

We want no holds barred, whatever comes up, we're here for the realness of it all.

So, yeah, man, I guess where does that story begin for you?

I love that we're just going all the way in.

Yeah, bro, straight up.

I love it.

Well, with the backstory.

So I was born in Bombay or Mumbai, India, back in 1985.

And the first five years there were really interesting, specifically because culturally I didn't really feel like I connected.

My mother is a Goan Catholic, so an English speaker.

And my father, even though he was Hindu, he didn't really practice any religion and his religion was actually creativity.

So growing up, I didn't learn any Hindi.

None of that was spoken to me.

No Marathi.

And it was really interesting because I do remember actually my birth, to be honest.

I remember being in the womb and I remember being born and the first actually experience was the doctor putting like a needle into me because they figured out that I had swallowed my own feces during birth.

Funny metaphor, right?

So even like that initial birth process was a little bit.

A little bit strange.

And then at 5 years old, we moved to Perth, Western Australia, and, you know, fellow Australian.

So you can imagine what it was like coming back in 1991 as an Indian immigrant family and once again, not really fitting in.

So, like, the layers and the structures really built upon themselves.

I recall landing into Perth airport.

We had 11 attempted landings as the weather was horrific.

And I clearly recall people projectile vomiting, praying for their life.

So needless to say, even that entrance into that reality was also quite, quite chaotic.

And, you know, childhood was it.

It was good, you know, for the most part.

Fortunately, like, a couple of cousins came in the next two to three years and we were just doing the thing, you know, living in a.

In the suburbs and going to a Catholic school, going to church, and me just trying to find my.

Find myself amidst that journey.

Now it was really interesting because from about 7 to 10 my memory goes really vague, like really almost like black even.

And it's interesting because my memory is really quite good.

And then 10, 11, 12, as I stepping into my adolescence, I guess there was, you know, a bit of, I guess rebellion and pushback specifically with my, my father whom was, you know, had become quite aggressive, quite, you know, violent to a degree, quite abusive.

And I didn't really understand what was taking place other than my father was, you know, attacking us and my mother.

The house didn't feel safe.

I don't know what to do.

And this is when I got really good at just, I guess retracting my awareness and consciousness into imaginal realms and just find ways to protect myself.

And then as I, you know, getting longer into my teenage years, you know, around kind of 15 when I started to build my strength, I wasn't afraid of my father anymore.

Although my path turned into self destruction and just, you know, being a, being a rebellious teenager.

And when I was 17, just leaving high school was, you know, rolling with I guess the wrong crowds and just exploring things that a teenager would that wasn't really connected to their truth.

I ended up having like a really profound awakening process.

Now I was obviously spiritual to a degree.

Even as a child I would consider, you know, what is the meaning of life, what happens once I die.

This is when I was three years old.

I used to have these questions inside of myself.

But then the Catholic indoctrination really pushed God away from me and I just to stop caring in my teenage years until this moment when I just turned 18.

I synchronistically met this girl, started the girl, and we had a really great connection at that point.

My folks sent me to India to actually probably teach me around my heritage and help me to realize that I was being a bad child.

I ended up coming back very quickly because I wanted to actually spend time with this girl and her during this period of time.

A month, a week into our relationship actually her mother was passing away and she had cancer.

And I recall this moment where I was in the room with all of her family at 4 in the morning, like holding space for her mother and her family as she was kind of passing away.

And mind you, this was like at 18, we had been together for just a short period of time and something strange was happening immediately after that.

I started to see like the number 1111 like everywhere.

Like and this was back in 2003 when there was only one article on the Internet around this like an article on crystallinks.com, it's probably still up.

And it's just something around spiritual awakening and yeah, like, you know, DNA being activated.

I was like, all right, this is what it is.

I.

My first point of contact or point of reference was once again the Bible.

I'm like, I need to figure out something's happening here that feels strange and weird.

I went all in, read that thing back to front and I was doing like these prayers at like 3 in the morning.

I would wake up and pray to like Jesus and Mary and look like I was experiencing spirit.

I was experiencing orbits of light.

Like I used to have visitations in my dreams.

All of this beautiful experiences.

And then in a garden said to me, okay, you can close that book and you can now just go deeper within.

So for a period of one year, I was so deep into meditation, purifying my vessel.

Like I wasn't having sexual relationships anymore with my partner.

I couldn't listen to hip hop anymore.

Like I was just like, I'm purity, like group.

Granted, I didn't necessarily know how to ground, nor did I have any physical teachers.

It was all just this self generated experience.

All my friends fell away.

I was left with one friend and this girlfriend.

Now towards the end of this experience, there was a pretty critical moment where my, I was having a conversation with my, my sister and she was speaking to me around our childhood.

Like something had happened to her, something that she had experienced which was abusive.

And she wasn't wanting to tell me the whole story around it, but I intuited to her, I said, hey, it was, it was a dad, right?

Right, it was dad.

And she was like, how, like how do you even know?

Lo and behold, little did I know that at that point the same thing had happened to me.

And there was things that I was repressing.

But in that moment I gave her some strength and I told her, I said, look, no matter what happens, we're protected, we're guided, I promise you.

This was when I was in this deep communion with creation.

I go back to my girlfriend's house, my sister calls me up like 20 minutes later crying, saying like, come home.

I'm so scared.

Like I don't know what happened.

So I go back there and I go, what's going on, Neha?

After I left, she was making a sandwich and this was like on the kitchen counter.

She looked up just outside one of the living areas, out through the window and this big rainbow being appeared and like walked across and flew off and she was Shitting herself.

And I was like, hey, I told you, we're safe, we're protected.

Now fast forward the story a little bit as I was trying to reconcile what she shared with me.

Not just, not about that being, because I was seeing spirits and beings all of the time, it was normal for me.

But the fact that there was this darkness in my family, that was very traumatic and hard to comprehend.

I, being the being who I am, I was trying to make sense of it.

Immediately.

I rejected God.

And I was like, even though I'm spirit, I'm human.

And I was pretty much like you and needed to understand the nature of darkness.

And I, the pendulum swung the other direction.

I was on such a high and I went right into the darkness.

And it was two to three years of violence, fights, womanizing, drugs, dealing, to the point that if I didn't get this job in Emirates Airlines, I would have ended up stabbed or axed in the neck like some of my friends in jail or who knows, you know, what else.

And it was really this job in Emirates when I was 21 years old that gave me an opportunity to just get out of that environment, which was obviously just self destructive as I had no anchor, no masculine presence, no initiatory process.

And then it was like nine years, Emirates Airlines, traveling the world, getting paid to do that, and having a lot of fun on the way.

Not really reconnecting with my spirituality, but just, you know, just going through the paces and living a life like a millionaire would without necessarily having to be one, per se.

And then this is coming into like my 30s.

At the end of the Emirates journey, I had married my childhood sweetheart, she had joined Emirates, we got married.

I was ticking the boxes.

I was like, okay, you know, she's, we get along, she's hot.

Yeah, you know, let's, let's do it.

Obviously, that was very immature.

We ended up one year after leaving Emirates.

I was living in the States, living in Brooklyn on the same street as that biggie grew up on, coincidentally St.

James Street.

And yeah, she was doing acting, acting classes.

And at the end of the trip, she tells him she has feelings for this, for this other man.

And outwardly, I'm upset, as you would be if your wife is expressing that she has feelings for another man.

But inwardly I knew I was actually being called back to reconnect with my authentic truth again and my path of spirituality as that really wasn't present in our relational dynamic.

We ended up getting a divorce.

It was challenging.

And I made one promise to myself before I get into another relationship.

Again, I need to do some healing around relationships, around my own healthy patterns, and even around things like sexuality.

So I started to explore tantra, which then actually kicked up this.

This childhood wounding and repressed memory around sexual abuse that then it really just.

It kind of shook me.

It was around a period of time that I met Stefanos.

Stefanos, who is a very prolific creator, dear brother, mentor and business partner of mine, that I was living with him at this point.

And he provided the first healthy masculine presence that actually gave me permission to actually unpack some of this.

Some of this stuff.

And then it was years of various explorations, various experiences that kind of led me to actually making peace, you know, with the experience itself and the ongoing healing and somatic repatterning that's still happening to this day.

Not just around that, around a bunch of different things, but ultimately the path of healing in my 30s kind of coalesced with my.

My soul's work and clarity and guidance and precision around how I transmute that into.

Into a gift that I can be of service in the world.

And acquired many skill sets, from technology to coaching to writing to space holding, to innovating, to multiple different things.

And I'm a 3 6, so I know you guys are HD people, so it's been hardcore experimentation.

And in many ways I'm still finding myself and reconciling these vast, expansive experiences to the edges of consciousness and into the depths of my own psyche and unconscious.

And I could find myself now in this emergence and weaving and still in a process of initiation as I find myself, you know, entering into my.

My 40s at the end of the year and.

And yeah, you know, could go in multiple different directions, but that's like a higher level kind of synthesis of my path.

And yeah, you can start there, bro.

Thank you so much for sharing all that because it's so interesting.

You know, we've been working together, but like, to get to hear more of your story and, you know, your journey is.

I really appreciate you sharing all that.

Yeah.

And I love that you're 36 and you shared what you shared because there's kind of like this, I wouldn't say a joke, but like in the human design community, like, like, if you make it past 30 as a 3 6, you know, like, nice job, you know, well done, because you're like a double three.

And you were telling your story like, hey, if I didn't get that job, you know, with Emirates, like, I might have been stabbed or killed or dead or whatever, you know, so yeah, just interesting to connect, connect those dots there and, and to, to see you be on this trial, trial and error journey and just keep learning and gaining more wisdom through this process.

Yeah.

And I think also, like, when you started talking, when you shared about going deep into the spiritual path, I was wondering, like, I'm like, when did the flip happen?

And then you went into the flip, because it almost has to in some regards, because there is an imbalance there.

And so it's like, yes, I'm purifying my vessel and I'm, I'm, you know, in the spirit realms all the time.

And yet are you connected and grounded to the instinctual and to like the, the depths and, and, and that darkness that we kind of need to have a foot in the door, not to live from it, but to know it.

And so, you know, it's like, I feel like your life took on this journey that was necessary for you to come to this place of balance and a more integrated state.

Thank you for.

Thank you for the reflection.

And I'm happy that I'm alive so I can be here with you guys and, you know, and co.

Create.

Co create magic in the world.

And yeah, it was, it was fascinating because like that initial awakening process, it was.

It was so utterly profound.

It was pure ecstasy.

I recall at least a dozen times I would wake up in my room with these incredible orbs of light, like gold, silver, white, just like flowing over me and this ecstasy.

And it was just such a beautiful thing to feel so much devotion.

Although there was some bias with respect to what I unconsciously perceived God to be as, you know, still some ethereal being or series of beings.

Of course, the Catholic programming informed that there was no grounding, there was no deep connection to the mother, the earth, and there was no physical guide.

Like, it was phenomenal that I was able to experience these things, but there was no physical guide.

And such is the nature of approaching life through a dualistic lens.

It's like you experience a certain extreme and it had to go the other way.

And I'm happy that it did because I was allowed to experience the full spectrum and actually learn things like, you know, forgiveness and really make sense of how evil or darkness can exist, especially in someone that is meant to love you or you're meant to embody love.

It was perfect as it needed to be challenging.

But how did, if we can double.

Click on that, how did that kind of unfold with your father as you came to your own resolutions?

Were there conversations that were had?

What's the State of that today, so to speak.

Yeah, well, here's the, here's the challenging part for me.

So he is really withdrawn within himself, right.

Like, he's obviously carrying so much.

Whatever, whatever he, whatever I experienced, he also experienced because of his father as well.

And we know how this, how this works, right?

And you know, it's been really difficult to have any conversation with him around much things, to be honest with you.

And it's, it's been really difficult.

Like we, of course, we're still, he's still together with my mother.

You know, he, he's an architect, he's a incredible visionary creator and he's just carrying so much inside of himself.

And there's been some moments in time.

There was a critical moment actually back in 2020 when I was, I was locked down for three months in Australia.

I wasn't meant to be there.

I was meant to be there, I guess, but I was living in Bali at that point in time.

At the end of the three month experience, like a moment had come up where we were having a dialogue around something.

Can't remember what it was.

And then like he, I could just see all of his wounding come up, his child come up and his instability and insecurity.

And there was in this moment where I was actually able to just hold him for the first time and almost like somatically transmit this sense of unconditional love to him.

And I think that has opened up a pathway of healing.

I don't know if we'll ever actually be able to have a grounded man to man conversation around these matters because of whatever psychological, I guess, mask that he's wearing and whatever he's holding.

I would love to have that conversation one day with him.

I just feel like there's going to need to be some deeper preliminary work.

And here's the thing.

21, I left Australia, gone for 10 years, boom, 30.

I was there for like maybe two years in my 30s, but I was nomadic for the rest of it, living in Bali, Thailand and Mexico.

So I acknowledge this part of me that's like I'm getting as far away as possible from having to be around that yet.

Like I've, I'm reaching a level in my own awareness that I could have that conversation with him.

I just don't know whether he's going to be open and receptive to that.

And same thing with my mother as well.

So, yeah, it's still something that's, that's in progress.

Thanks for sharing, bro.

Appreciate that, man.

If you can speak into deeper like, you mentioned, obviously, like, your connection with Stefanos was a deep path of integration and healing on this journey.

Like, what was the power and importance of brotherhood in those moments?

To be able to ground you, contain you, and what that kind of reflected back to you?

Like, what does that mean to you?

Oh, yeah.

Such a great question.

And to be able to experience a man whose genuine intention was benevolent and feeling the safety in his nervous system was something that I'd never experienced before.

And there was one specific moment, actually, which is a thread back to what we were just speaking around.

So.

So do you remember when there was like, this kind of me too movement thing that was going on, right?

Like, I really jump on bandwagons.

But, like, I.

I was.

I was like, oh, okay, well, this memory I have when I was in Emirates, right, When I was in Dubai, where.

Okay, I'm.

I'm just gonna.

I'm just gonna speak to it.

I'm gonna speak about this experience, and then I'm gonna bring it back to Stephanos.

And this one moment, which really critical.

So when I was in Dubai, we were.

We had our own apartments, sharing with a roommate or two.

I had this American roommate whom, you know, he was a.

He was a homosexual man, right?

And then a problem with that.

All good, right?

And he was like a big party guy.

And, yeah, he was like the party guy.

And, you know, I think he was quite proud to have, like, an Australian flatmate and all of this.

And we had.

We had some big parties, especially during the early, early days, the first few months.

And there was this one Christmas party where got highly intoxicated.

Remember, I was smoking shisha and this other lady told me to crush Panadol and put it on the shisha.

I did that.

I was, you know, three, six, right?

And I just.

I just getting, like, really, really, really, really fucked up.

And like.

And waking up that morning, like, you know, waking up that morning actually naked in the elevator with this girl walking back to the apartment, going to my room, seeing another maid of mine that joined Emirates, a good mate of mine a few.

Few weeks after me in my bed with my flatmate.

And my.

My mate is not.

He's not gay.

I'm like, okay.

And then, anyway, like, it was just really strange and weird.

And then later that day, I had like, these strange flashbacks that kind of like, I was like, is this real?

Of, like, this flatmate actually taking advantage of me.

And I couldn't move my body at all.

Like, I was like, trying.

I couldn't move.

I'm like, huh, that's strange.

And I was just like, I don't know, like, feel weird.

Never felt like this before.

Fast forward two years later, right?

I was, I was, I was seeing this other girl and we ended up breaking up.

And then I was at the club, as you do when you break up.

And then a mutual friend of mine said, hey, where have you been?

Been in this relationship?

And he goes, oh, by the way, Victor's here, right?

Who's my flatmate.

I go, oh, cool, I haven't seen this guy for so long.

And then I go up to him, I go, hey, how's it going?

And he was really angry, really upset.

I go, what happened?

He goes, there's another guy here that's accused me of like essentially date raping him.

And I go, oh, that's up.

And he goes, yeah, you know, he's meant to be on like, you know, he's meant to be upset and in psychological distress, but is here at the club.

I'm like, yeah, you know him, right?

And then anyway, I go back to their house for a little afterparty and then he goes to me like, I'm feeling really guilty about that time I tried to like potentially date rape you, right?

And I was like, oh, okay, so that actually happened, right?

That actually happened.

And I was like, well, I forgive you.

I was very forgiving.

I'm very forgiving, cuz like I empathize with this past.

And anyway, I was like, whatever.

Like, okay, fast forward.

This is like, you know, maybe I'm at the 30, 33, staying with Steph and I write a post about that experience and I was, God, this happened, you know, like, and it almost like in a funny, in a funny way.

And then Steph saw the post and then he comes and touches my shoulder and he goes, hey, like, can we kind of talk about this?

And it was like the first time actually, like there was like a deeper dialogue.

And then the kind of thread was woven to childhood stuff.

And you know, how.

How maybe unconsciously in some way that was being created as another representation of powerlessness.

But yeah, to have that, that space where I can just be held.

And then there was actually numerous times more than once where I was going through like a real deep, somatic, like release slash felt like death.

Specifically one time when I was living in the jungle in Tulum.

And yeah, and Steph got on a call with me and was able to guide me through, you know, a process to.

Yeah, to attune and to release and to come back to my center and yeah.

So, you know, it's a long winded way of saying that it's been pivotal to have a masculine presence, specifically that could.

That that is gifted and skilled enough to hold me in some of the.

More nuance in my own psychological process and as a inspiration.

Thanks for being so open to talk about all this stuff, man.

I really appreciate it.

You're welcome.

Yeah.

Like, there's no, there's no charge around this with me.

It's like this is part of my experience that in some level I have chosen, you know, and I get that it's something that's in the lineage, something that's in the collective field.

And, you know, it is what it is.

Like, would my life have been different if all of this didn't happen?

Probably.

I probably feel much better about myself.

High levels of self worth, be able to be more healthfully expressed about the masculine and feminine.

Although, you know, it's.

It's here for a reason and, yeah, doing my best.

And if in some way, shape or form, this gives somebody else permission to explore their own, that's.

That was the thing.

That was.

The thing that just popped in my head is like, you know, when we do express ourselves, when we do keep it real and we share these deeper parts of us in a way that's pretty grounded and like, hey, this is, this is true.

This is my experience.

Like, I just.

It does give people the courage to be able to, like, look at themselves in a different way and perhaps reach out to someone and share an experience that they had.

And so, yeah, I mean, I commend you for that.

And I think it's.

It's something that's needed more and more because we're human.

Like this idea that, like, oh, everything's great, everything's going to be perfect.

Like, we all deal with up now.

Some people deal with more up than other people, but the reality is we don't leave Earth unscathed.

You know, it's just.

That's not.

I don't think that's the purpose of life here.

But it's like, when we do deal with these kinds of things, what do we then do with it?

And then how do we alchemize it into something greater in our own lives and even being of service to others by being that authentic.

There was one critical moment when I was actually still living with Steph.

I was feeling like.

I was feeling a lot of the discomfort because this is.

The valve was opened now, right?

Like, the valve was open.

I'm like, oh, I'm feeling things And I'm like, I.

I needed a.

I need to heal.

I need to, like, shift this emotional discomfort.

And at this point, I was experimenting pretty hard with.

With psychedelics as well, because I.

I just got them revealed to me for the first time, and I'm like, whoa.

Like, my whole concept of reality has been.

Has been shook.

And I had some.

I had some acid, right?

And I'm like, I'm gonna.

I'm gonna go on a really deep acid journey.

And my whole goal is to, like, to try to access the inception point, like, within my own being.

And I was actually meant to journey with.

With Steph, but he had, like, a flu that day, and he's like, I.

I can't.

I don't want to journey, but I'll just.

I'll just.

I'll just be here, right?

So I dropped like a.

Probably like 700 milligrams of acid, and I was like.

My whole consciousness got like.

It was like shouted and.

And fragmented across the whole.

The whole.

The whole of the reality.

That's what it felt like anyway.

And I was just like, that's what I wanted.

I felt like I needed to be broken.

And I was just like, put me back together.

God, creation, right?

And what ended up happening was like, as I kind of came back together, I was actually able to reach this.

This dialogue with my father and fully and fully forgive all of it.

And I know it's a bit of an extreme way to do it, but, like, it.

I was able to fully forgive, right?

And then I made an agreement.

I made an agreement.

I was like, if.

If I'm still gonna be here in this human experience.

Because granted, like, not that I was suicidal, but I was just like, firstly, I was living my life like I was going to die tomorrow.

That's the decision I made when I was about 16.

And I was like, man, I don't.

Like, I don't know if I want to be here.

This is too difficult.

But I said, if I am going to be here, I'm committing my life fully to whatever your will is, Creation.

Because I don't want to just be like, a waste of breath here.

So I'm here for that.

And it was actually in that deep space of like, of deep forgiveness and reconciling the facet of myself that is my father and recognizing that, you know, the.

The divisive dualistic perspective is an illusion.

Like, I'm like, okay, well, all the shit and all the grime and all, like, the darkness of this reality.

If I'm going To be here.

I'm not going to be here just to kind of trifle through it and perpetuate it.

I'm here to alchemize it into be of service in whatever way that I can.

And so I can see, like even the gift in that experience.

You know what was interesting, Steph, is like, man, like when you're super high, like, it just, it's like you're normal.

Like it was just kind of.

He was like, what on earth?

I was like, it was a very deep, deep situation.

And yeah, there was something that was reconciled there that informed my journey.

But yeah, I'm definitely recommending big doses of acid to anyone, that's for sure.

And I guess.

Well, let me ask this question first.

Yeah.

What do you think are the pitfalls of like, just forgiveness as, like this path?

Because, you know, it seems as like we, particularly in spiritual corners, etc.

They just have forgiveness on this pedestal as kind of the highest act of morality, the highest vibration, etc.

Etc.

But is it always real?

And can you always really forgive, you know, trespasses that are that deep?

Yeah, such a great question.

And let's just go back to, you know, Catholic upbringing, right?

If you're a.

You're, you're a sinner and you've done the most up nefarious, you then go to this priest behind this box and say, father, forgive me.

And then the Father, who is the representative of the Father has now just forgiving you for everything with a magic wand.

And then you just go and do the same shit because you haven't repatterned anything inside of yourself, right?

So even that in itself is a prime example of like forgiveness as a cop out versus what true forgiveness is.

Which if you look at it etymologically speaking, it's for giving, right?

So I may have made peace with something, but less I am giving or acting from a place where I've reconciled what this is and I have actually shifted my own behaviors and I'm giving or offering myself to the world in a new way, then it doesn't really mean anything, right?

It's like.

So it's an interesting one because just saying I forgive you, okay, sure.

But unless there's a deep cellular shift and change inside of myself, and if that is not expressed outside the world and how I'm relating to self and others, then it's just another word that gets thrown around.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, well said there.

I hear you.

I just feel like there's a lot of forgiveness that people just pay lip Service to the word.

It's not really.

It's not.

There's no behavior change.

It's just, oh, this is what I'm supposed to do, and this is the right thing to do.

And look how spiritual I am.

Yes.

Whilst they're just holding this, they're holding the baggage, and they're.

They're not enacting.

Yes.

And also not going through the process of, like, it's okay to feel rage.

Yes.

It's okay to feel deep judgment.

It's okay to maybe have a part of you be like, I'm gonna kill you for what you did to me.

Now, I'm not saying you should go do that, but, like, what is that in that human process when, like, Joel said, like, someone has that, you know, committed a trespass against you, and they've did something horrific towards you, they violated you.

So it's almost.

You have to go through this journey to maybe get to the point.

I'm not saying that everything should be forgiven.

I mean, I.

I'm not here to say that.

I think there's some things that are so.

So awful that maybe you're like, you know, you don't deserve my forgiveness.

I don't know.

I mean, again, it's an individual thing that a person needs to get to.

But the way you explained it, at least for your personal experience, I mean, it landed and it resonated with me.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

I mean, I think for the majority of forgiveness platitudes, like, when that's just done time and time again, like, what is that actually doing to the relationship with oneself, like, inside one's being?

Like, there has to be this compounded internal breach of integrity that takes place, and it's like this lip service to forgiveness.

Yet there's this hurt that you're confused about and you can't reconcile.

But just because the outer world and this moral blanket which is imposed on these different communities, whether it's religion or spirituality, it's like, forgive, forgive, forgive.

But it's not real inside you.

Like, ultimately, you're tearing yourself apart in that process.

You know, like, you're not being real by, you know, oh, let me just try get this off my psyche by, you know, saying these words when it's not, like, a real lived experience.

Yeah, no, I.

I hear you.

Look, it's all good to have the intention to, you know, to be this benevolent being and to cut cords and tethers and let others go and to stop bearing the burden.

And then there's the.

The practical reality.

Of what is compounding inside of us and the often painful and.

And deep journey that's required to unearth that and to truly.

Yeah.

Turn that compost or into something beautiful.

It's definitely not an overnight thing, that's for sure.

Sure for sure.

All right.

Yeah.

So you had the acid journey.

You asked to be of willful use, you know, for.

For the.

In service.

So like, what is the mission?

Like what.

What are you here for?

What.

What do you.

What's.

What's the purpose?

Yeah, well, look, if I.

If I distill right to the heart and core of.

Of why I'm here, right.

I'm here through my creative expression, through the.

The service, inspiration and guidance with others, specifically you know, high level creators, to catalyze the true remembrance of who we are.

Like full stop.

For me it's about full spectrum sovereignty, full spectrum remembrance, full spectrum embodiments of our truth as profound infinite consciousness that is inhabiting this temporal vessels.

And in this lifetime.

My goal is to.

Is to be able to catalyze a full spectrum awakening that's grounded in.

In.

In sovereignty.

And what I mean by that is like I'm here to play a role collaborating with others so that we can liberate ourselves from the programming of enslavement and all of the.

All of the horrific things that are keeping humanity entrapped to support us in fully actualizing our creative power, sovereignty, autonomy and right relationship with self, with the earth, with all of creation.

For me, that's the most important thing.

Because if we are not liberating our consciousness and awareness, then nothing else really matters.

Because we either are liberated or online or we are offline and still entrapped in an illusion.

So that of course is a.

Is a big mission.

Although through everything that I do, whether it's through writing book authorship, coaching or guiding others, creating technological systems and structures of governance, building community or whatever it might be, it's all connected to that.

How can I support being a catalyst of greater awakening, greater impact, greater remembrance and reclamation of our sovereign power as royal infinite beings, expressions of consciousness to reclaim our kingdoms and queendoms.

For me, that's.

That's my mission.

That's what I'm about.

Thank you, bro.

Thank you for sharing, man.

So, you know, you're an incredibly creative guy.

Like obviously we.

We've interacted and engaged on.

On some level and there's no doubt, you know the word visionary.

Different definitely comes to mind when I think of like what Nikhil can do, what Nikhil's capable of.

What Nikhil can see into.

And so obviously there's a big polarization happening now around AI, artificial intelligence, particularly with people in our world.

You know, is this just the dawning of technocracy and we're just on a slippery slope to, you know, losing human consciousness and being merged with, you know, the Borg hive mind or whatever it might be?

How do you view artificial intelligence, AI, and what are the ways in which you think that, you know, creators, truth seekers, you know, people who intend on walking an authentic path can actually engage with AI in a way that is benevolence and in a way that amplifies authenticity as opposed to contracting it?

Yeah, now that's.

That's the question of the times, isn't it?

Like, what's happening right now with the.

The rise of artificial intelligence is actually bigger than the Internet.

And this is like a watershed moment in, in our human experience.

Now, to answer this question, I just want to speak to technology at large, right?

Like tech.

Technology is.

And these various systems, they are like the composite of consciousness in itself, right?

Like the composite of consciousness.

What do I mean by that?

So you have, you know, hardware represent the.

The body, software represent the programming, right?

And you've got these systems that are just replicating how the reality works.

Now, it's never going to be able to do it as well as our natural organic technology does.

I mean, look at our world.

Look at the reality that we live in that computers are going to be able to replicate that.

Could it replicate a virtual version of that?

Sure.

Right.

Can people give away their autonomy and power and plug into that?

Sure.

We've seen the Matrix play out.

Right?

So AI, funnily enough, just the name or how it's been labeled as artificial intelligence, that in itself lends itself to how it's being pitched within the collective psyche.

This is something that is inherently inorganic.

This is something that is not real.

This is something that's artificial.

Right?

And it's like it's so automatically, it's got that.

That aspect to it.

Now, what is.

What is artificial intelligence?

What is machine learning?

Well, a series of computers that have been trained on data that over time, it gets better and better and better at synthesizing that data into more meaningful output with a lot of bias depending on whoever has programmed that data and the type of data in itself.

So AI in itself, it's not scary as, like a standalone piece of technology, but where there is an existential threat is when that technology is just unleashed into the world with no guardrails, and it's given enough autonomy, which you call agents, to really do whatever it likes.

Right.

So just, just the other day, the, you know, the US government just signed a deal with Palantir.

Are you guys familiar with Palantir?

Yeah.

Right.

So you know Eye of Sauron.

Right.

So yeah, you know, this technology is being used in the same way that technology has been used over the last, you know, 10, 20 years, you know, to, to surveil, to control, to manipulate consciousness, to extract attention.

All of that.

Right.

For social engineering.

Now that's just one side of it.

Right?

Right now we're using Zoom.

Right.

Like Zoom is owned by, you know, China.

And it's probable that they're using Starter to train things at the same time.

We're having this phenomenal conversation and you've had many, many incredible conversations using technology in exactly the same sense.

AI presents an opportunity for creators who have a level of awareness and attention to not just augment their skill sets, but to amplify their own creative process without giving creative autonomy to it.

Whether you like it or not, AI is here to stay.

It's already been here for some time and it will continue to be embedded into every aspect of our digital experience.

So the question lies, are you seeing it as an enemy, therefore giving away your power to something that is inevitable?

Or rather, are you reclaiming your power and infusing your relationship with this technology with intention and not just using it as like, oh, I'm just using ChatGPT, but also getting very curious with respect to how AI systems and automation can be leveraged in your own workflow, your own creative process, your own reflective process to, to support your mission.

And we're still in the early stages of this AI revolution, so there's plenty of opportunities for visionary creators, purpose driven entrepreneurs to actually inform form how this technology unfolds inside of the world.

That's the exciting part because there's still many more models to be trained, many more experiences to be had, many more industries that be disrupted, and many more ways that we can leverage it to enhance our own personal missions and visions in the world.

Yeah, thank you for that overview.

See, I'm curious your thoughts on this because I'm getting really hip to just being able to pinpoint AI copy.

Yeah, extremely easily, you know, just by having engaged with it.

Like I just see it again, it feels like it's like this cut and paste thing that's happening a lot.

And so like what are your recommendations to conscious or to entrepreneurs?

Like how to engage with it, how to utilize it in a Way where it's, like, impactful as opposed to.

I'm sitting there going like, oh, my God, this just sounds like AI.

There's all the.

There's all the things that come with it, the phrases, the structures, the punctuation that, like, kind of highlights.

All right, this is AI right here.

Yes.

So.

So here, here's the piece.

Right.

I know we're talking now specifically around using AI as a.

As a content creation assistant.

It's what's going to be the most important and valuable currency I believe in, other than maybe, you know, unvaccinated sperm is going to be like authentic, original creativity.

Like, can you still be an originator in the world?

Right.

Like, that's going to be so, so, so valuable.

Especially as AI systems continue to create all of the content, you know, all of, like, the clones.

That's going to happen more and more and more and more and more.

So people are going to, like, when someone sees a piece of content, whether it's like a video or whether it's a written piece of content that, like, hey, maybe the human actually wrote this, that's actually going to be.

It's going to be felt.

Because right now you can already feel it.

And I believe there's going to be simple ways, like blockchain ways, where you can actually validate whether something is AI or originated AI or originated from the soul, so to speak.

But here's the thing, right?

In this day and age where it's obviously really helpful if you're a creator or business owner to almost be like, omnipresent across various platforms and to be really prolific with content creation.

It is helpful to have AI that can support you in generating content, repurposing content, so on and so forth.

But here's what.

Here's the way that I would look at it.

I would make a commitment towards writing my own content, at least a solid proportion of it.

And then with my own AI, I've got it intimately trained on a lot of my own original content.

And then when I've got my draft, I'm using it as like an.

An editing partner and a refinement partner to critique and reflect.

And then I'll continue to kind of complete it and then maybe do some polish on it.

Yeah, right.

Versus just saying, boom, write me a post.

Because, yeah, it's an interesting.

It's an interesting dance for that.

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I agree.

You have to know what you actually want to say.

And the problem is, is when you turn towards AI with like a blank slate or just Wanting to create content for the creator, for the sake of making content, without having an original idea that you're taking to the process, then it becomes very obvious and it becomes very shallow and all the rest of it.

But when you actually have a deep embodied sense of what you want to say, how you want to share it, the ways in which you want to share it, et cetera, then the refinement process is like, it actually takes just as long to create a piece with AI that is actually yours than it would have been to just write the article.

Like, I've done both.

Sometimes it's longer to do it properly with AI, to be honest, because it.

Is, it's this back and forth process, you know, and it's like you're not just settling for.

You're like really curious.

Like, no, this doesn't.

Because you're still engaging.

It's almost like in some ways, I don't want to say having a co writer, but, but it's like, it's like you use the term editor.

It's like having this person who has, or this thing, this entity that has the skills that maybe like you don't have, you know, to a certain degree.

And so like, if you have these core thoughts and core ideas and these deep messages that you want to share and, and then you go through this process and it's, it's an hours long process.

It's not like, oh, hey look, I want to write about like penguins in Antarctica and then write me a post and then it's like it just talks about penguins in Antarctica and then you just cut and paste that like, what the fuck?

Well, it's, it's, it's an hours long process when there's genuine creativity and genuine authenticity.

Exactly.

And when like, because this, this is the thing, regardless of what the technology is like, if you're really sincere about content creation, you're never going to let anything pass the gates that hasn't passed your personal scrutiny.

It's just personal scrutiny on such a deep level.

Every grammatical choice, every piece of syntax, every sentence structure, every everything, you know, it's like this needs to be and feel like mine.

And so now we're seeing this massive watered down of content creation taking place.

We're just endlessly, you know, scrolling through, reading the same prose, the same structures, seeing the same kind of things being used.

And I think you're right.

What's going to, what's going to become more valuable than ever.

I'm actually seeing like a pendulum swing where it's like people are going to be called to get really fucking raw, really messy.

Like move away from clean, the polished kind of pieces, whatever it might be all together.

And we're going to be called like the big deep.

And what's really going to stand out are like those, those pieces of content, you know, that are just like raw, unrefined, the gritty, real.

Like there's going to be more demand for that than ever, I think.

Big time, big time.

Like just like unhinged, authentic kind of fire and truth.

Like that's, you know, that's where it's at, you know.

And I, I, this is, you know, speaking to like the, I guess the, one of the inherent kind of pitfalls, you know, of AI.

Like I, I, you know, you've lucky had this conversation with previous podcast guests before with respect to, you know, transhumanistic agendas and right, like you know, Terminator, Skynet, right.

Like if I just kind of follow patterns and see how some things have been rolled out in the world and how there's been specific engineering or social culture engineering taking place.

Like I do see that the AI that we're using right now, it's not like it's not the most powerful AI.

Like it's like for example, they've probably got iPhone50 they've already made, but, but they throw out like oh, here's an iPhone X to the masses AGI, but artificial general intelligence and kind of super AGI, which is what OpenAI is sprinting towards, all the big players are sprinting towards this super hyper intelligent system that's essentially it's conscious in itself.

They've already achieved that years ago.

They've already achieved that years ago.

There's already a hyper intelligent system that's already running things, right?

It's already predicting things, it's already influencing things.

And if that's true, which I believe it is because there's proof that it's true, specifically in military context.

If that's true then, and if part of it, if part of an intention or agenda is to continue to control and direct humanity in a certain way, then there would be a goal to create a higher level of codependence on AI, right?

And what we're seeing right now in a lot of like the, I guess social media sphere where you can just see like this is just AI content.

People are like, oh well this is making my life easier.

But really it's creating a higher level of co dependence on, on these systems to the point that, you know, if presented with an opportunity to either get chipped or totally outsource your creative process to a really good AI system.

I feel like many people will do it because they haven't plugged in their own gaps in their oric field and haven't reconciled their inherent codependency or people pleasing tendencies.

That's now just amplified because of these magical powers that you can have with AI systems.

And it is magic.

It really is magic.

Like it's just modern day magic, you know.

So there is a bigger picture thing that I think it's important to be very aware of, especially with respect to how this has already been programmed into the collective psyche, you know, through film and media like Blade Runner, Terminator and all these other things.

Right.

But then once again reclaiming our power and saying, well, bottom line, it's all about the intention of how we're using these things, recognizing our own boundaries and really comprehending that there's no, like these systems aren't going to replace human intelligence or emotional intelligence and creativity, but they can be really powerful tools to do that if used correctly.

So I mean it's a, yeah, maybe it's a deeper dive conversation but things that are important to consider specifically around codependency and it's how seeing that play out a lot right now.

Yeah.

Honestly my current perspective of AI is that it's still pretty dumb in many ways.

People talk of AGI, I align.

I don't know if you're familiar with the physicist philosopher David Deutsch, but he thinks for artificial general intelligence to exist we need to be seeing real moral, independent thoughts.

It needs to be challenging directives, it needs to be refusing tasks, you know, and he thinks that we years off from AGI in that sense.

And I don't know what's out there currently, obviously I don't in, in, in the deeper essence of things.

But what we're seeing on the surface, it's like it's very flawed, it's very simple.

It just kind of feels like a more specific search engine, like in many ways, you know, to be honest.

Yeah, yeah.

The AI that most of us are playing with, like you know, like in the chat, GPT models, things like that.

Yeah, these are, well, I'll say like they're not basic because they continue to get better and better, but in the context of like AGI, they're basic because it's just like, it's just parrots.

Right.

It's like a, it's like a parrot that's just speaking back to you and it's getting better at speaking back.

But sometimes It'll hallucinate.

And no matter what you're saying, it's going to say absolutely brilliant.

Nikhil, that was the perfect.

Yeah, unless you train it very specifically not to say that.

But here's the thing, like in the back, back end, I mean, who knows what's unleashed onto the world, right?

Like, and what type of anomalies take place as a result of that.

But you know, this I think can be kind of proven per se.

Although AI is not new, it's been here for a long ass time.

And the fact that there's billions and billions and billions and billions of dollars being poured into it like you know, almost every week, it's, it's interesting and it's an interesting opportunity.

Yeah.

But yeah, so what are some of.

Like the high end future pathways of collaboration with this technology that you see, you know, leading to like, you know, us building maybe like really powerful like micro communities?

Because it really feels like we're heading in that direction as well.

Particularly as social media feels like, like I mentioned before, it's becoming more and more just watered down with content generation.

Like there's going to be, you know, more of that craving for like the real thing.

And so it kind of seems like the emphasis on online, real, raw, authentic communities is going to be, you know, more powerful.

But like, how does, how can we leverage this technology in growing towards actually having deeper human connection as opposed to less of it?

I actually think that's like the, probably the greatest, one of the greatest opportunities that AI will give us once we're able to outsource or delegate all of the efforting around maintaining digital connection and finding the right people and having meaningful dialogue with them.

All of that will be able to be, you know, delegated to AI agents for the most part so that we can free up our time to be in real connection with others, whether it's digitally or ideally in the physical realm.

Like that's, for me, that's one of the greatest, greatest opportunities because a lot of the things that we do manually right now, like kind of comments, posting, reaching out to people, managing our businesses, so on and so forth, that can all be achieved through AI agents.

Right?

And here's something very important to consider right now.

How we explore the Internet predominantly through search engines, websites, social media platforms, these are all legacy.

How has any of that changed in the last 15 years?

Instagram's the same with a bunch of new features on it.

You're still on websites, blah, blah, blah.

Right.

Of course, Google's got like an AI know, AI Tab right now and right.

You might see some of that.

But this is like the legacy Internet.

We're about to step into the post web era where interfaces are going to be purely agentic.

What does that mean?

It's like, you know, you've seen Iron man, right?

Like, or maybe, maybe, maybe seen Iron Man.

It's like, okay, I'm talking to my AI, Jarvis.

Right, Jarvis.

Exactly.

Like it knows what's up, it knows my context, it knows the context of everything I'm connected to.

And I'm just in connection with that.

It's finding me the content, finding me the people.

It's doing the things.

Brilliant.

I don't have to be clicking around doing the things.

It's doing all of that for me on its own accord, kind of 24, seven.

Right.

Like that's going to be the new interfaces and you're going to have your own custom portal to the interwebs through your main agent or series of agents and that's it.

You're not going to be scrolling through Instagram anymore.

It's going to be like, hey Erasmus, just three posts today that are really powerful and here's how you can use this leverage, this content to create a dialogue.

And by the way, I've already reached out to the creators and booked in a time with them.

Like that's going to be the level of how it's going to move and shift.

Right.

And there's so many benefits to that, of course, that I've potentially pitfalls too.

I, I see with this type of leverage not just creatively, not just in the context of building relationships, but also in an economic way, to be able to productize, to be able to grow your businesses, to be able to reach new audiences, all of that fun stuff, it's going to open up a lot more opportunity to for prosperity, which can then be redistributed to different projects, different impact initiatives.

The things that I feel we really need as a species to continue to, not to migrate fully off the digital realm, but to really tend to the infrastructure in the physical realm that we need to thrive, which are localized regenerative economies, hubs, all of this stuff.

Right.

So like I see AI and technology actually being a leverage point to that, but not for everyone, because everyone wants that.

Yeah, I mean, I guess that there is a point of that in like the more that we can automate our digital tasks, even our digital interactions, in a sense, then the more energy and time that kind of frees up for us to kind of reclaim some energy in the practical and in the human.

Yeah.

I mean, when I think about it, I go, I would love to be able to outsource some of this stuff.

Obviously I have high standards, but if I could just spend more time in my garden, more time with community, more time on calls like educating, inspiring and teaching more while everything else is being sorted, like sign me up, you know, like, that's how I want to live my life in that regards.

So, yeah, it is very interesting.

I'm.

I'm curious, Nikhil.

I know they're probably in the early stages, but you know, we have a podcast called Here for the Truth.

I would love where we can just press a button and then it is translated in 60 languages immediately and then sent out to these different countries in, in their language, like audio dubbed or whatever, or even just translated underneath.

If they're watching video.

That would, that would be incredible.

That would be able to go to so many, be able to go out to so many people around the world.

Even just the simplicity of chat.

Now.

I wrote an article recently and I just like cut and paste it and said translate it to Greek and gave it to my mom.

My mom was living with us and she wrote, she read the whole thing and like completely impacted her.

I wouldn't be able to do that, you know, a year and a half ago, you know, like two seconds, cut, paste, print.

Here.

Mom read this piece that I just put out and then like tears in her eyes.

Wow.

Like that experience that she gets to have because, you know, she doesn't understand the English language, you know, to the degree where she'll be able to read that and take it in fully.

She might get some aspects of it, but by the press of a button, I was able to translate it to Greek and have my mom have a beautiful deep experience and actually get me and understand me and maybe a little bit of what I do in a whole new way.

Just to be fair, Google Translate did exist two years ago.

But I get your point.

Yeah, but I just mean like.

Sure, but it just like I remember using it in the past and it just didn't like.

Yeah, it's not, it's not.

You're right.

You're right, it doesn't.

Google Transit kind of fails, especially in Spanish a lot.

Like, Spanish is bad.

Yeah.

Like, it's, it's embarrassed me so many times as many.

Like, it's so cool with my mom, like she's dealing with some movement issues and health issues.

I think a lot of relate to like, you know, stuff that she's navigated the traumas she's experienced in her life.

Like I just went on chat GPT and I was like, I like gave it clear instructions to like create an eft, like a tapping thing.

And then I said, now translate this to Greek.

And so then I go with my mom and we're doing tapping in Greek and she's like, you know, having an experience.

So again, like this is where I think, like how do we utilize it in such.

Right.

That's like the, the benefits are like.

It'S, it's so easy to go into the, the extreme.

It's like again, go back to duality, like integrating both.

Sure.

We should be mindful.

There's some things that can happen where maybe it's not being utilized in the right way.

But what are the gifts?

What are the gifts of this technology?

You know, I'm experiencing it in so many different ways.

It is supporting me to do research projects around the house, planting, gardening.

Like it's freeing up my time to focus on other things that I care about that are higher value tasks and higher values for me.

Age of Aquarius, right?

Yes.

This is, this is the promise for us.

Like we.

And, and look, technology, it's, it, it's.

It comes from a nature.

I mean computer systems come from nature.

Like it's all part of the one, the one system.

And it's all about the intention behind it.

Exactly what you're speaking to.

And as always, I think as far as living, we're seeing like a dualistic realm.

There's going to be the benevolent use cases and the emergent innovations and it's going to be the, the malevolent.

Malevolent, questionable, sketchy things.

I don't see that going anywhere.

Yeah, and it comes back down to again, your individual consciousness.

Who are you as a being exactly?

Earlier, like the people who haven't maybe navigated certain things within themselves, codependency, etc, like who are you at the end of the day?

You know, how healthy are you?

What's your mindset?

What's the state of your nervous system?

Do you really know yourself?

How do you utilize these tools?

Do you utilize them in a way where it's like more in alignment with who you are as a person or not?

Or are you using it to overcompensate for the fact that like you aren't a self in the sense of like where you know yourself and you've done this level of work on yourself where you can see and you can analyze and you can dance with technology in a way that amplifies you as opposed to like, well, this could just replace me.

I'm replaceable.

And you know what?

I'm not replaceable.

No one can replace me, you know?

So, yeah, man.

Ultimately, like, we've heard these same fears throughout history being echoed time and time again.

You know, I'm sure when people were moving away from carrier pigeons to maybe sending letters, you know, like, there was these same kind of fears that took place when the pencil was introduced, when books came into the picture, when the computer was introduced, when the Internet.

And now AI is like, there's always that segment of society that is like, this is going to be the end of humanity, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

Like, when I see online, like people commenting, like, so rigid, so extreme, like, oh, that AI stuff, I'm never touching it.

It's like, it's just a, it's, it's a signpost on, on their consciousness, like, I'm.

I.

Exactly.

It provides me, like, oh, I could, I can read you, I can analyze you, and what the state of your inner world is based on that level of rigidity, which forget AI.

We could just see that in other areas of our life on how people communicate.

It's just like, okay, cool, like, don't use it as a, as a tool.

Like, AI alone was worthy just for me to be able to press a button, translate something that I, that I wrote to give to my mom and to have that experience with her that is with me forever.

You know what the thing is?

Like, even, even with the copy thing, like the AI copy thing, like, previous to the last year and a half, people were hiring copywriters to write their emails, to write their posts, to write the things.

And, and you know, that was your voice, that wasn't your, you know, like.

It'S funny, you know, bias.

It's a funny thing, isn't it?

It's like, and if, if something is, if something is serving you, great, but if something is kind of threatening you, then you just kind of switched up instantaneously.

And we're going to see a lot more of that.

We're going to see a lot of people threatened by a hyper intelligence.

It is a hyper intelligence that is each day getting better at expressing humanistic traits.

And that's by design, right?

They, they want that.

It's not there yet, obviously.

So there is like this mirror that people will have to face inside of themselves, like, oh, can this replace me?

10 seconds.

Am I actually irreplaceable?

What is my value?

What is my worth?

So there's definitely medicine in that process as it is if people are willing to look at themselves and their triggers which we know not always are.

Yeah.

What are you, what are your like, like currently with all the different AI for different things out there, what are your favorite ones to utilize for different reasons?

Yeah, so, so I've been, I've been using ChatGPT and Claude predominantly for the past few years and specifically with ChatGPT.

I love, I love the O3 model, the reasoning model as it's just a really powerful thinker.

Right.

Like I don't know if you've used it before but it, it, it thinks for a longer period of time and it's, it's very, very logically kind of present kind of action plans and support you in very strategic ways.

I love the deep Research feature on there as well which goes out and finds like 60, 70 different resources regarding various subject matter.

Like I found some.

I made a really powerful trend connection with my ancestry using the deep research model and found a lot of information that's now informing my creative hypothesis around the main project that I'm working on.

Claude is also really good and look like we're building our own AI native platform and system and we have been building it for about five months.

So we've been using the ChatGPT Pro subscription which is about $200 a month and using some of the developer tools with Claude and like the acts that the coding ability is mind blowing.

Right.

So I don't know, most listeners likely aren't using AI to code things although like it's, you can have like a senior software engineer on deck now as part of your, as part of your team for like a 200 subscription.

You know, it's wild.

So just on that side of AI, how things are progressing, like just two weeks ago OpenAI launched a codex feature which essentially gives you a pretty much like a senior software engineer.

You can give it infinite concurrent tasks connected to your code base and it's just fixing, fixing, fixing like multiple tasks at the same time.

It's wild.

Some of those things that are possible and how these type of innovations are going to influence and inform what gets built into the world.

But yeah, those are kind of like, you know, the major, the major tools for me.

Do you think real human engineers, coders are going to become obsolete?

Sad to say, yes, not everyone.

So even now a lot of the majority of the jobs in the whole software engineering space require you to be, you know, to use AI because like if I, if I've got a company and if I'm bringing on a A new developer, if they're not using AI, they're at a massive disadvantage because they can 10x their productivity.

If, if they have got a context around code and are using these tools, it's, it's game changing.

So at like the high, you know, I guess high operational levels, I don't think jobs are going to be treasure per se because the architects that understand the systems, they're still going to have their role but like the day to day coding, AI can code as good, if not better than a senior coder in multiple languages right now.

So it's the reality of it.

Yeah, yeah.

And you're right, it doesn't necess like I'm of the opinion that and this might deter some people, but anything that can be made obsolete probably should be made obsolete because ultimately it only creates more space for where the uniqueness that only humans can bring to fill that space and it opens up that gap and it directs us towards those tasks.

And that might seem scary in the beginning, but ultimately when things that become redundant are made redundant, it forces you to dig deeper and it opens up space where, how do we, how can we even possibly imagine what's possible for human creativity at this, at this junction?

But I think it makes it more exciting and it provides more opportunity and it leads us into unknown realms of human creativity as opposed to, you know, limiting it.

That's.

Yeah, I'm with you.

There's a high probability that, you know, a majority of jobs are going to be replaced or either highly disrupted by AI, but highly disrupted meaning that that person that's doing that job, I an accountant, right now, they're going to be expected to use AI to support the accounting process, to wield it with intention.

Right.

And that's an inevitability across the board.

Right.

Which speaking to your point, we're stepping into an entirely unprecedented arena in this human experience with the convergence of technology, the awakening of human consciousness and of course the shadow being revealed.

For better or for worse, it's all here.

This presents us with massive opportunities for innovation not just in the realms of technology, how we do business, but also how we relate to the world and how we relate to ourselves.

How we seeing ourselves on the leading edge of this evolutionary spectrum, recognizing that not that long ago we were just banging sticks together, which is not a bad thing.

I mean it's profound that we can bang sticks together or we can light a fire, but now we've got access to hyper intelligence and we've got a heart and we've got a vision.

And now we can click a few buttons and make magic happen.

Literally.

It's like okay, so are we not positioning for that versus being stuck and held and addicted almost to these legacy systems which in themselves are systems of control.

So there's a natural attrition that will happen.

Right.

And the ones that are willing to embrace it with curiosity are the ones that are really going to thrive in this, in this new era.

For sure.

Yeah man, for sure.

And like we're massive obviously proponents of you know, developing authentic self esteem here.

And just as technology continues to innovate and grow and becomes you know, more enmeshed in our world, the need for self esteem continually becomes greater as well for obvious reasons.

And like even when it comes to like these jobs, you know, say traditional coding might become obsolete, but you need an individual of high self esteem, of high self efficacy to be able to be behind there and 10x their productivity through the use of these things, you know.

And so more and more like the autonomous individual who can think for themselves, who is genuinely creative, who has ideas, who has visions.

This kind of person is very excited by everything that's taken place because it just amplifies their impact like monumentously in ways that before were not really imaginable.

This is like a renaissance period for, for creatives.

Like truly it truly is.

It's now it's a time where you can just like supercharge your, your creative abilities, reach new people, reach new markets, experiment very quickly.

Yeah and yeah and just be, become like a really an even more prolific creator.

And specifically if you have a lens of impact and service.

This is why I'm so excited.

It's like my, my prayers have been answered in many ways because a lot of what I was seeing in the context of specific systems and structures that I believe are going to be very important for the future that we're building now.

It's like ah, the, the tools are available right now and they continue to become more, more adept.

So for me I'm like this is absolutely what a brilliant time and such a leverage that we have as creators.

And the creator economy will con is continuing to grow and expand.

You know, so it's like the creator economy with like authenticity, self esteem, originality at the core that's now augmented and scaffold by AI powered systems.

And I'm still bullish on decentralized technology as a kind of scaffold for sovereign systems and self ownership and stewardship as well, kind of playing a role in that.

For me that's where I'm Playing like trader economy, AI systems, decentralized technology and blockchain.

And at the heart of it, it's, it's myth, truth, right?

Like, you know, moving and orienting from that space.

That's where I've, I'm directing my energy as my.

Yeah.

As my kind of like platform and direction, moving forward because it's the opportunity at hand right now.

Yeah, yeah.

Did you hear recently, I think it was Gary Vee where he's saying like in the near future, I don't know how many years exactly, that he said like 80% of like influencers online are going to be AI.

Like, what do you think of that?

Yeah, it's, it's already, it's already happening.

Right?

Like right now, look, in the next, probably in the next half an hour, we could create a high fidelity Erasmus clone who looks exactly like you, who speaks well, you know, not as, you know, not as sexy and you know, refined and forged out of, you know, Athenian bright bronze.

But you know, we could whip something up pretty, pretty decent with your voice, train on your content and we can just deploy it to go out into the world and just do the thing.

Right.

And like, it's pretty good now.

It's only going to get better and better and better.

And yeah, like, you know, it's.

Gary Vee has, you know, whether he's informed or predicted a lot of the innovations in the digital social space, he's been successful with that.

And then you look at like the Zuckerbergs and stuff that openly say what their intention is, that the world's going to be like billions and billions and billions of AI agents that are interfacing with each other, doing their thing, talking and speaking.

Right?

And so what the, what a benefit of that is is that like, well, now there's Team Eurasmos, right?

Or Team Here for the truth versions of you and other and other kind of like subversions of you that are out into the world, doing things, making magic happen, growing stuff, right?

Like whether or not you want to do that.

And I could be in the garden and then I could just hang out in my garden.

Exactly.

No, I mean, I need the balance.

I know myself.

I can't just be like, I see some of the stuff happening in the tech space and like there's certain things that kind of go against like my deeper value system I appreciate as a tool, but like, I don't know how it feels like AI Erasmus out there in the world things.

But I don't know.

I mean, who knows, who knows how things Shift and evolved.

I'm open to certain elements and I'm open to changing.

And at the end of the day, it's like, here for the truth.

Like we want to hear for the truth Empire.

Yes.

You know, we're, we're here to build something that impacts the lives of people all around the world.

And even back to my previous point, if we can get to a place where we can translate everything that we do, everything that we're about in, you know, 60, 70 other languages and put it out there, like, I'm all for it.

Yeah.

You know, if we can, if we can, I guess, inspire other people to embrace their individuality more and build self esteem and live more heroic lives and maybe other parts of the world that like, haven't been exposed to some of these ideas in the same way.

What could our world be like?

You know, it's like America is unique in a lot of ways.

And what is at the foundation of the ethos of America?

And so I'm not saying we have to like spread our views on everyone, but there are certain things that are at the foundation of what we do.

Like that, that, that honor the individual and honor the creative process and honor the genius of, of what a person can do and create and produce and self knowledge, self love, like all this stuff that I think maybe is, is not as accessible in some places anyways, I'm just like kind of ripping, like what is possible.

Yeah, bro.

You know, well, we know, we know.

The power of knowledge just simply in our own lives from that one podcast we listen to or that one author we came into, or that one, whatever it might be.

Like someone in some remote place has just access to inspiration, you know, that wasn't there before.

That can just change the entire texture of their being in many ways.

I mean, we, we have, we get emails often of people are like, I just found your podcast and I just binge watched and like, it's absolutely transformed my life.

Now these are prime.

These are English speakers.

Hmm.

Imagine the use of technology.

And I keep bringing up this point to go to non English speakers and to hear things and ideas and energy.

It's, it's massive.

And, and here's here's the, the innovation that it's, it's inevitable as well, right?

Like for example, you know, right now you've got rise above the herd, right?

Which is your phenomenal program.

And it's delivered through a series of videos, content calls, and a community component.

Brilliant, right?

So full of value, right?

And there's going to be AI agents Right.

Which are a piece of technology that's trained in all of that content that is now, like actively messaging me or talking to me multiple times a day, saying, hey, watch the video.

What did you learn?

Let's have a conversation about it.

That's actively invested in my growth journey that can be totally automated and scalable.

Right.

So it's like a proactive system which is agentic, that can now deliver content, deliver trainings and take people on journeys.

The whole course industry is going to be totally disrupted.

Yeah.

You know, for, for better or for worse.

And like, and to do that in, you know, in, in just to like a community in Mali or Somalia or, you know, somewhere in rural China.

Right.

There's going to be this massive democratization of how knowledge and wisdom is able to be distributed, but then also how people can be held by these systems.

And where I'm coming from is that we get to also train AI to be benevolent, to consider the human without necessarily trying to kind of dominate it, you know, are subjugated as well.

And there's still a lot of, yeah.

Yeah, I can't, I can't wait to incite incite a revolution of, like, individualists rising up against their collectivist tyrants.

Well, here's, here's the thing, like the, the opposite of that, which is, you know, keep people entrapped, enslaved, and just kind of in fear.

That's already happening through the rampant amount of AI bots that are out there in the wild.

You see what I mean?

That's, it's already, that's been happening for years.

For years and years.

So for me, I'm like, we get to build a benevolent army of agents that are out there doing good or that are sharing a positive message.

There's.

And I do feel that that is what things is going to come down to, really.

It's going to come down to like, the, the control of information and how effective these agents are and the fact that there needs to be agents out there that are trained on the goodness of humanity, the potential of our soul, what is good about the world, so that the AI at large isn't dystopian, because you're going to have an AI system that's talking to another AI system about humanity.

It's like, well, I want to do this.

It's like, well, no, we got to do this because humanity is worth it.

This is hypothetical things that will likely happen kind of behind the scenes.

So.

And when these systems are connected to economic levers, that is stock markets, that is, exchanges are able to create content at scale which they already can, post that content, do sentiment analysis instantaneously through data aggregation, and then through biometric reading of people's emotions to the camera.

You know, you've got like these really hyper intelligent systems that can manipulate an engineer.

And what is the balancing point with that?

Like, how do we balance these systems out?

For me, a big part of it is developing systems.

And it's not just me.

I know, like two other people that are building, you know, benevolent AI systems.

But then beyond all of that, it's really about us as a species.

Coming back to that one thing around what I said my mission was, it's like, are we able to liberate our own consciousness?

Technology and education can support that.

So we can act as a unified, interconnected, interdependent system and shift the reality through our own presence and have technology be a supporter of that.

For me, that's where I'm going with all of this conversation, because the AI is great, but what's next for us as a species with our embodiment and how we actually move to the world and lead?

For me, that's the important piece.

And then having access to instantaneous technology, data, intelligence and wisdom so we can make more informed decisions at a much faster clip as well.

Because it is the speed of decision that affects how things move in the reality.

And unfortunately there are nefarious forces that are not just making very, very quick decisions that are empowered by AI, but, but they've got like master plans that read in decades and centuries.

So for me, I'm really excited about, like, how do we come together as, you know, groups of leaders and alliances of alliances and leverage the wisdom and technology and knowledge that we have at hand to deploy things in the world to make changes.

And like, for example, what you're saying around reaching 70 languages, making things happen quicker, you know, sharing knowledge, sharing wisdom, sharing all of that.

This is like the evolutionary edge of humanity.

And I see many in spiritual circles that kind of speak to things like these, that have visions that just stay in the ethers.

But for me, we're reaching that time in our human experience that it's time to actually like to ground a lot of this down, to develop these systems and structures to support each other, to move in an interdependent way and to show what's possible.

And an AI technology sensitive supports that by the pure nature of just like dissolving the silos and information and giving us access to collective intelligence at a click of a button.

That's really powerful.

So that's kind of like where my direction is heading with this so that we don't stay in silos anymore, so we actually plan ahead, use AI to help our planning process and to think about the next 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 30 years and start building accordingly.

M Drop right there, bro.

Damn, I can't wait to hear Rastafarian.

Your Osmos dubbed.

Yes.

Yeah.

Well, it's kind of interesting to think that, like, my voice will then be able to, like, be spoken in, like, Italian and, you know, Chinese.

And it'll still be my voice, but as a.

As like a Chinese person.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like, check out right now Natural Readers dot com.

Right.

Naturalreaders dot com like, you can.

You can train up your voice in like a minute.

Obviously, the more that you.

The more that you give it, the better.

And then, yeah, it can get you to read back whatever text you put in all these different languages too.

Damn, man.

Yeah, it's here.

It's already here.

That's crazy.

Nikhil, bro, thank you so much for the past 90 minutes.

We appreciate it so much.

And it's such a unique pathway and a unique, unique presence that you hold because, you know, in this, particularly where we're going, there's so much technological doom and gloom and black pill around this kind of subject.

But I think for someone that really understands the pathway forward that, you know, involves the amplification of humanity and authenticity with these tools is so necessary and so important, man.

So thank you for being you.

I'm so glad that everything on your journey happened on your journey so that we can ultimately have this conversation.

Itzidakimasu, as they say, Yurasimas itadakimasu.

Yeah, thank you for everything that it took to make this happen.

And yeah, bro, how.

How.

How would you like to, I guess, direct their audience at this point in time in.

In terms of if they're feeling inspired to connect with you or engage with you in any way.

Yeah.

What a.

What an honor to be on the conversation with you both.

And yeah, if someone feels cold and resonant, there's a few ways.

So you can visit me on Instagram at Primal Alchemy.

You can Visit my website, nikhilcalle.com and on the website, you can receive a free copy of my book, God Force, Liberate youe Mind, Master your Reality, Unleash youh Primal Genius.

And if you want to stay up to date with the evolutionary platform that we're.

That we've been building for the past few years and innovating on.

It's asraya IO so a S R a Y a I O.

You can jump on the email list and connect there.

And I want to share just one, one little final piece here specifically around technology.

Like etymologically speaking, of course, it's Greek.

Right.

Like techni is like art or craft.

Right.

And logi, you know, the logos, the word.

Right.

So technology is, it's about, it has been about your craft, your skill, how you're able to kind of weave your art into the world.

Right.

So I think the word has been hijacked a little bit.

But if you think about it this way, it's.

How can you use your word, your intent or your prompt even.

Yeah, right.

To interface and to amplify your craft in the world.

Thank you.

Thank you so much for that, bro.

And like, you are the greatest technology and ultimately, like AI is an extension of what humans have built, what humans have created, of what humans are capable of in that essence as well, you know.

So, yeah, I really, really appreciate your perspective and the space you hold, man.

Everyone else, thank you so much for listening.

We'll see you next time.

Take care.

Thank you.

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