When you first came out of the house, did you have to have any adjustment, like

being recognised in the street so much? Yeah, it was hectic. Do you

have to, like, check yourself so you don't get that big head? Yeah, yeah,

You've got to remember, when you get into a situation where you get that

15 seconds of fame, it's the first time that... That's such a common

They've got this preconceived idea, like, you can't show that side

Girls, they'll catch up and go have a wine and show their feelings. Guys

Your wife's left you, they've taken the kids, you're

an absolute mess, and there's hundreds of thousands of blokes that

Yeah, you go see a shrink and they've got their tie on and stuff, but they haven't

lived that experience. Mate, you need to f***ing pick up, because there's a lot of

people depending on you. And if you go off and think stupid stuff,

And we're just a pair of average blokes on a mission to try and be

We're going to speak about all things highs and lows of what it feels like to be a bloke,

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Welcome back, guys, to the Better Broke Podcast, where we're talking with

Big Trev. How are you doing? Hi. How are you going? Good. I'm really good. You

rose to, I guess, some sort of infamy about

Oh, yeah. It'll be 20 years now. We just had a reunion for

Big Brother. That was way back in 2004. And

we just had our reunion this year. It was in Sydney. Everybody turned

up. So it was frigging awesome. It was good to see the old

Yeah. Do you look back at that time and recognise that

guy who won as similar to who you are now? Or has it

been such a long time, you've been through so much that

No, no. If you see me back then and see

me now, there's no difference whatsoever. I've just gotten fatter and older

Do you reckon that's the reason why, because you were so authentic back

Yeah, I think so, because I don't change. Like,

when you get people on reality TV, sometimes they change a

little bit, because so many cameras are on them, and they're thinking

for the future, you know, jobs afterwards. Where

I just, I literally had a to-do list. And

I wrote 18 things on there to, and one was to get on

Big Brother. Another one was to win a million bucks. So I

just was marking them off as I went along. So yeah, I

That to-do list you're talking about. Yeah. So that was essentially kind of

like manifesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How old were you

I was, jeez, I can't even remember. It was 2000 and... 2002 when

I wrote it. So I moved up here from Broken Hill in

2001. Wrote that in 2002 when we just moved into our unit. And

all we had was a mattress and a telly. And then I went, I'll

just write a to-do list in 2002. Wrote them

all off. Another one was the Clown Mount warning,

but you can't do that now. And those ones were

Yeah, yeah. And I still manifest things now, and anybody that

wants to try and manifest something, if you write it down, and I had

it in my wallet for ages, I had to get it photocopied

and then laminated because it was just falling apart. But

yeah, it just works, works something shocking, so. I don't know

For you to do a list all the way back then, like, it's a very in-cool thing

to do now, because you've got the likes of Gary Vee and Alex Amosie,

like all these big wellness mindful, I

guess, bro culture guys, essentially, they're like, yeah, do this

I was bored. I was literally bored.

My wife was working at Twin Towns. And yeah,

and I just sat there, had a pen, had a paper, and I went, oh, I'll just write a

to-do list. And then I checked to win a million dollars on there. And

I thought, oh, the only way I'm going to win that is Lotto. So I just checked it

out. You always put a list up of things that you want to do and

aspire to. And then, yeah, it was just weird. Because I

remember sitting, we were living in, where

were we, Benora Point. sitting down and just after Big Brother,

everything was settling down a bit. And then my wife comes out, look at this

list, looked at it and was like, Jesus, a million bucks on

there as well. So I got to mark it off. It was great. That's so good.

Yeah. Because like, that seems like, we tell guys when you're setting

But keep it somewhat reasonable so you don't like do yourself dirty. Yeah,

It's ludicrous, yeah. Because I also want to write a children's

book and do other stuff. Other stuff that I

didn't write down was to get my own radio show, work

on radio, and that's just all manifested. If you have

that goal in mind and you set it in your head, then it works.

From writing that list to winning Big Brother and the

cash, was that something that solidified that it works early?

Because you hadn't really proved that out to

Yeah, like I said, I have no idea. I

was bored, I had a piece of paper, I had a pen, I had

no thoughts and I was just writing just random stuff. How many of the

18 have you marked off? Do you know the number? 14, 15 maybe?

Anybody that wants to write a list, do it. For some reason, I don't know

I think it starts by putting it on paper, like brings it into the

Yeah, and then you have it in your head all the time and you come back and look

at it. Like every now and again, like I had it in my wallet, I'd open

it up, go, oh yeah, cool, no worries. And then put it back in my wallet. Then

I took it out because I had a new wallet. And then I put it

in like a little box. And that's where I

was keeping all my stuff, like from my dad and my mom and stuff. And it

was just in there. But it's still in my head every now and again, oh,

On, I did it on the 1st of January, 2024. A lot to

do with the charity and blood, spice and stuff. And I did it

in the notes on my phone. And I wrote down all the things I wanted to

achieve. And then as notes do, if you don't edit them, they go down

and down and down. And then I found it a couple of weeks ago. I hadn't looked

at it. Hadn't looked at it. And more than half of them, done.

Have you got one? I'll do the exact opposite. If

then it's that whole accountability thing, which is something that we're so

for. Like we promote accountability in that, but yet,

I think it just puts pressure on myself to do it. But I've got

a guest list of guys that I want to get on and have

a chat. You're on it. Who else you got on your list? Is it?

I think that'd be a great one because he really cares for this sort

Yep, I want Robert Irwin. Robert

Well, that's what I want to try and do, get onto I'm A Celeb,

maybe next year or the year after, because I think it looks fun. Because you don't have to change,

you just have to be yourself and you're out there just having a bit of fun

out there. You're a lovable bloke just as you are. Yeah, well,

hopefully. But my wife says if you go on there and you

have to do the food challenge, I'll just send in a banana, because I can't. You

can even have this cow's anus or a banana. I'll have the cow's anus.

It's the texture. I just don't like

it. There's a trick that if you're eating bananas in front of the boys you have to

Yeah. I thought the rule was no eye contact with another bloke

You mentioned that you like the idea of I'm a celebrity, get me out

of here because you'd get to be yourself. Yeah. Being in

mainstream media, you kind of have to deal with like

to a degree, there's got to be a character because it's a little bit of a performance,

but you have a larger than life character. So you can kind of lean on

I think that's why our show is so unique and

so special, because there's Moira, who's been in

the radio business for ages, and she never changes. What you see is what you

get. Same with Ben, who does our panelling. What you

see is what you get, and that's the same with me. So we're all comfortable around each other. And

then we'll have our off jokes and funny little

things and quirks. But it just works, and it's

really good. But you'll get other radio shows like, over

in Sydney or Melbourne, you can tell there's no really friendship there,

but we catch up and have drinks and catch up during

the holidays and stuff. And yeah, it's like you

and your mates just chilling out and having a chat like you do here. It's just,

yeah, it's just perfect. That relatability, sort of family

friendly type thing. And when you've been friends for a long time,

you get to see where, and just get help on air and

off air. Like off air, they might have a bit of troubles and you can

have a chat through it. And then it just works on air

I think that speaks to like your authenticity. So

that probably shined through in the Big Brother days as well. You were

just you on or off the air, no matter what. But that's

Oh yeah, they have trouble with it. I know some, like some

of my friends, we're all comfortable around each other. We've got a close-knit group

and there's around about nine of us and none of us change. And then you

can tell when someone new or we're in a different surroundings, We

change a little bit, but then we get brought back into normality

once everything's all good. So it's that confidence

with, and you know that everybody's backing you up. Like when I left,

big brother came here with all drinks and stuff and

caught up with mates. They just threw us some tongs, an

apron, cookin' barbecue and said, it's your turn to cook. And just

treated us the same. Nothing, didn't treat us like I was

a king or anything. This was straight after winning. I just started cooking and

Oh, yes. That's the best thing. If you've got a good core group of

mates and people that you work with that bring you back down to earth, then

Since we've been doing this and we're starting to get out there more, and especially

this one coming in with the ads for be bloated by stuff. I'll

get messages left, right and center. And they're like, Oh, I've seen you here. I've seen

you here. But I'm like all these random people. And then my

Thanks for bringing me back to you. Yeah. So it's good

We had Guy come over and do some pest control. And then I open up

the door and he goes, I saw you on the bus. I went, cool. Awesome. Come

So you've obviously been like famous or

well-known for a while now. When you first came out of the house was

outside of your group of mates, did you have to have any adjustment like being recognized

Yeah, it was hectic. I went to go, I was back

for about a week and a half. I thought I'll go get some milk and some cereal.

It took me three and a half hours just to walk down to the shop and come back. My

wife came past, walked past me. grabbed

their milk and cereal, waved to me, and then went back home. And I was sitting

Do you have to, like, check yourself so you don't get that big head, like?

But you've got to remember, like, when you get into a situation where

you get that 15 seconds of fame, it's

the first time that person's seen you. So you've got to remember their

experience. And it might be the 100th time

that day that it's happening. So you've just got to keep that frame of mind Be

nice, be you, be humble, sign whatever you gotta do,

have a smile, have a chat, and then go on your way. Because

if you're a prick and go, no photos today, then you're just going to

Do you find that sometimes, because it's... It's such

a common thing to just be socially tapped. Some days you're just

like, I can't get with people. Yeah. Have you had any

days where you felt like that and then someone's come up to you and he's like, I

Yeah, it happens all the time. Like I don't like talking in front of crowds. Like

MC work, I can't do that. Like I did some stuff for the Titans

where I was on the field and it was like nerve wracking. My anxieties were

playing up, but it was something that I had to face and do.

It's sort of like, I hate deep water and the ocean, but you have

to, if someone says, come on the boat and come for a fish, you just have to suck it

up and do it. But yeah, emceeing, I hated it.

That's why I get Moira. Moira, can you have a chat and I'll just sit there

Do you have any like real triggers that you find when you, just say like

You know you hate it. Yeah. And you're like, oh shit. Yeah. Oh yeah.

I'm packing so hard right now. What do you do to

I just breathe. You just got to breathe and go, it's going to be all right. And

you got to calm yourself down. And the first time that

we walked out, they walked out in the field and went, oh my god. And they go, and you've done

this before, haven't you? I went, yeah, of course I've done this before. It's great. This

is going to be awesome. And the first time you get the microphone

and you're standing in front of people, they give you a script. And

I was just absolutely sweating. And I was breathing heavy.

And they go, you all right? And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm all good. And just took

it back and like. breathed in through my nose, did

some exercise, and went, OK, this is good. It's all good. And then once the

camera started rolling and I could be myself, I just said, be

myself in my head. And then, yeah, it was fine. Once

you can do that, it takes like anything but

fear. You've just got to go, yeah, if it's

going to hurt you, it's going to hurt you. You've just got to accept what

it is and then just push on through. It's like life, really.

Your career has sort of, I guess, jumped around through

a whole bunch of stuff. So you've probably had to face those experiences of

doing something new like a lot of times. Has there been

any notable sort of moments, like first time on air when you

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First time I went on air, I went into the

bathroom, had a bit of a cry because I was just freaking out. Then

come out, splashed water on my face, came outside and went, and they went, you

all right? Yeah, I'm good. Good. And that's the one

time I can remember. And then there was other times that I didn't have

enough to talk about on air, which is a common thing. But

Yeah, that's what I had to do. But there's times when you can't lean on

that person so much. And Maura is good for

that, because she'll help you. She's like my little sister. So

it's good if you know that. And she's the same way with me, like in

life in general, outside and during on air.

But yeah. There's different times I can pick where, even

playing soccer and stuff, I didn't think I was good enough to play. And then

got out and thinking, yeah, I'm used to this. And then you've just got to get that frame of

mind, bang, I can do this, and away you go. And that's what I try and teach my kids. Put

yourself out there. If nothing eventuates from

I think it's such a common thing that you said was your first time behind the break. You

went in the toilet, had a bit of crying. Yeah. And then you asked, are you

okay? And you're like, yeah, everything's fine. Yeah. Such a common thing. You're always

Like I'm falling apart inside. I'm just going to put on the break

But the whole thing is, I was fine. I was just stirring myself up. So

I was just stirring the anxiety up. And then when I came out,

like you said, are you fine? And I wasn't fine. But in my

head, when I think back, I was fine. You were good. It's

just your head playing tricks on you and your anxieties. You were

talking yourself out of it. And you should have been talking yourself into it

and having more fun with it. And if something can go wrong, everyone's

Something can also go wrong. Yeah. But we all go straight to the

But everything goes since the like three years ago,

everything's been going right. We just, I don't know what we do on

An interesting take, anxiety and excitement are

But it's the framing that you put on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you feel really

excited to go out and do something, it's much the same feeling as

being anxious. But it's positive versus negative. Yeah, yeah. So it's,

Oh, it's so weird. Yeah, I can see where you get that from. I

had this chat with Jess and a few of the girls the other night that

it's so that like they were explaining anxiety and they're like,

oh, you know, it's that feeling you get here. And I'm like, that's like an adrenaline rush.

I love that feeling. Yeah. That's the

It's so good. Yeah, I can see that. I

got to fly a plane for the Pacific Air Show and

I was like going off, something's wrong here and they let

me fly the plane. And it was like that, the adrenaline was

just pumping and I got out and I was going, holy crap, I just did that. And

I was like, fine. The time I was in the toilet,

the adrenaline rush, but it was more fear than anything else. But then

I think back at the plane, that was fear too, but

it was more excitement is the excitement and fear mixed

Yeah. Yeah. You've just got to remember just to calm down, take

And all three of us, when we're talking about it, it's the

feeling before we actually do the thing. I think where it becomes

a problem is when it stops people doing the thing. So that's when, you

know, they call it crippling anxiety because it stops you moving forward

and doing that. So that's probably where guys might

Oh yeah, I jumped out of a plane and it was like that crippling feeling of

parachutes not going to open or something's going to happen, but I was up

there. Once I was up there, I said, well, I can't back out of it now. But

the adrenaline was just pumping through. Once you put yourself in

this situation and then I sit there and go, okay, can't

get out of this now. This is what's happening. Bang, go and do it. And

So we were having a bit of a laugh before we started rolling on

all some very blokey shit. We're talking about sticks that

was shaped in the shape of guns. So you're a

blokey guy, right? Would you say you're sort of like on that traditional

Yeah, because I grew up, when was I born? I was born in 1973. So

I grew up in the era where you got to hold in your feelings and

you weren't allowed to talk about, you know, being sad and stuff. But

then as I've grown older, I've got mates who talk

about their feelings a little bit more, but still are blokey blokes. And

we like playing Xbox and most of my, all

of my mates are like hardworking, like tilers and

They work in, one's a parole officer and stuff, but yeah,

it's kind of hard to express your feelings when I was younger because

you weren't allowed to do anything like that. Because my dad grew up and he was like

a bush guy and worked on the roads and it's all, and

his mates, I can remember his mates being around singlets

and smoking outside and we'd all just be sitting there and they'd be swearing and

carrying on, telling us to go grab a beer and stuff. But

yeah, but as I've gotten older, it's all good to talk about your feelings and

stuff. And that's what I teach my two boys. Just be yourselves. And

if you have to have a bit of a cry, have a bit of a cry. But also, go to

your mom or come to me if there's anything going on in your life. And they

do that, which is great. Which is why I couldn't do that with my dad or

As times have changed, so now blokes, obviously we can talk about

stuff, but there's still, we think, an importance in

being a bloke and being a man. How are you dealing with

teaching your young kids the two sides of it differently to what your

I think just being present, being in the moment. Anytime

they want anything or need to be picked up, we're there just to go drive over

and pick them up. Where, cause my dad left when he was,

when I was quite young and remarried and

stuff. So he wasn't really present in there. Couldn't,

I didn't have my first drink with him and stuff. So talking

about all those important things about looking after yourself. drinking

at the right age, just looking out for your mates. Every

night when we, like my oldest goes out and hangs out with his mates, all

we just tell them is be safe, give us a text. And we always say,

I love you, which I didn't say much when I was growing up. Say

it lots now, but yeah, we never used to say it when we were younger. And

the boys say, I love you back. And that's the one thing that makes them comfortable. If

they can come over and give us a hug, doesn't matter what age they are. And

that's the best thing about it. If you teach them those core, Elements

of just telling the person that you know, or you really

care for, that you love them, you're always going to be there. And

they tell us, oh, one of my mates is having a bit of trouble, then give

him a call. Oh, we contact each other on Snapchat. Don't

do that. Give them a call. It's the best way to do it. Just dial

the number. And I tell my youngest one that. They're all on those Snapchats and

different social medias. So I'll just text him. I said, no,

you could call him. It's the best way. I don't think many people do

that anymore. Call. And the younger generation don't. They don't

call up their mates and have a bit of a chat. It's all just texting and stuff. You

So much crank text just doesn't get sent. But you're a

And you can't hear the tone in their voice. Once you hear the tone in their

voice, you can pick up something straight away. Let's go and catch

up for a coffee or let's go for a bike ride. And

that's the best thing about it. And my youngest, he loves going on his bike

rides now and gets hanging out with his mates. So

I said that's the best thing. So yeah, a lot

gets lost on Texas because there's no, you don't hear that tone

I think that's good that By everything you said just then,

it resonates with me pretty hard. We did

an episode a little while back where Matty sort of got to

I was thinking that. I'm like, you guys are the same person. Fuck.

I told my kids every morning, I love you, every night before

bed, I love you. No, you have to, yeah. But then like, I can't remember the

last time me and mum said it to each other. No. It's one of those things that like, just

we don't, we don't really say it. Yeah. But like I'm, I

consciously remind, I don't have to remind myself, but I consciously make myself say

Every single day, so I'll never, not that I would think they'd ever forget it.

Yeah. Yes. But they remember it. I can remember the first time I actually said

it to my mum and was, Well, I actually knew that

I said it when my grandmother passed away, and she was really upset. I

told her I loved her, and I can clearly remember that was pretty

much the first time it actually resonated with me that those

three words mean quite a lot. So

that's what we just say to our boys. We have our jokes here and there and

again, and they do give us the shits, but yeah, we love them to death. But

then you've got to teach them those core values of just family

and friends and just being that person, that sounding board

for other people, because everybody needs someone to

I think that's something that as much as everyone is

It's those old school values that aren't being carried forward as

Yeah, those old school values are lost with social media. Because

you're seeing all these people on different social media,

their influences and stuff. Some are great, but some of you are sitting there

going, what are you like? And then you see them away from the camera and

going, that's not the person you are. You're just showing them. Once

Yeah. That's what they say to me. You're a

I've noticed for the last couple of years, me

and my boys say I love you to each other. It's like on the phone

when we're ending out. And then I can't remember the crew that

did it was, but there was a social media thing going viral. It

was a bunch of, I think they were Kiwi lads, Islander boys. And they

were calling up their mates and telling them, I

And they were freaking out because it was so out of context. Yeah. But

bringing that to light, it was such a feel-good video. Yeah. Yeah, it was

But I do, I constantly do that as well, like... Ring

mates that I haven't spoken to for a while, and I'll ring them like

when I'm driving home just to check in with them to see they're alright. They won't ring

me, but I'll ring them. But then you get the occasional ones

that'll ring you back. I've got a mate that, well, like that core group

of mates, the nine of us, they ring each other all the time. I

only got one. a guy that rings us every Tuesday or Wednesday, just

for a bit of a chat. And yeah, it goes for like

five minutes, not even that. And then he goes, cool, all right,

love you, I'll see you later. And then bang, he's gone. He doesn't work or

anything, but yeah, he just needs to check in. And he checks in with everybody

else to see how they're going, leaves his message. And then, but yeah,

it's lost within that social media where people don't have that connection

anymore. I think because everyone feels like they're so connected because of social media.

It's like, no. Well, they're not really good. You've seen what they want you

Well, that's the whole thing. You see something on social media. You think,

OK, they're all right. And next minute, you find out that they're bloody

not all right. And they're doing the worst. Or they've lost their

mum or their dad. And the last post you saw was like a

week ago. So there's that weak gap. that they might have lost

someone that they love and you don't know what's going on. That's why

you should always check in and have a ring and see how things are going. It's

Well, because most of what I put on social media is sort

of like my work stuff. So we're talking about the charity doing

that. Been through some big personal stuff in like the last year. And

because you're not even talking to a lot of these people, especially outside of

your close-knit circles. I'll meet guys I haven't seen for nine

months. It's like, what's up? And it's like, Oh, everything

changed. Yeah. Everything. Totally. And they're like, holy shit.

But then you'll get those mates that you ring constantly all the time and they're up to date

It's been even better than that is because you text

all the time and it's so easy to call and FaceTime and all that. You

can go so long without actually seeing them. Yeah. And

I think in-person is incredibly, incredibly important. So a

couple of my mates, we just have made a conscious effort, like

they might be in Melbourne or Cairns. If something's like

a decent break up, something like that, it's like, I'm

coming. I'll come down on the weekend. We'll just hang out.

We do that once a year. We all just try and catch up. We have

a date where it's like July. We go back to my hometown in Broken Hill.

If you can make it, you can make it. If you can't, you can check in. And

you go down there. It's just one weekend of just going down there. The

girls catch up with the girls. The boys catch up with the boys. And we've all

got kids of different ages. And they all just catch up. you've

never parted or you've never, like it was just yesterday

that you've caught up. And it's so good. And everybody's nice and

calm. There's a group of friends or just similar personalities

where you can just sit there by yourself, have a drink and just chill. And

it's just, yeah, it's great. It's always good to check in. It's fantastic.

But that's my one thing, if you've got a good close bunch

of mates, even if you haven't seen them since school

time, you just give them a quick ring on

Just to check in with them. I think that's something that I've got so many

mates that we won't speak for a month or

two months. And every time we talk, It's like, we just spoke

yesterday. Yes. And everyone says they've got mates like that, so it

shouldn't, you shouldn't have to wait. Yeah, I'll be going like, oh yeah,

Because you don't know. You don't know what shit's

going on in their lives, hey. They could be going through a lot of stuff in

their life. That's why I got one mate who brings us like every Tuesday

and Wednesday, because there's a lot of stuff happening in his life. He's not

married, he deals with a lot of stuff like mentally, but

he checks in and you've just got to pick up the phone and go, yep, how are you going? What's

happening? Good, good, good. You're all good? Yep, good, bang. But

So I have a question on that. You're a caring, understanding guy.

So I'm sure a lot of these boys will kind of lean

on you. And it's all good to have the chat and be like, everything good?

Yeah, it's all good. But in the times where someone's like,

I'm really actually struggling, What's

your sort of go-to to try and deal with them, like, in

terms of offering support and ear, like... I've had a

couple of mates who went through, like, a serious amount of

But you had to just take a back, take a deep breath and

try and work out what's happening in their life. One

guy was doing, I can't really

go into it, but he was thinking and putting all the blame on

himself. And then we sift through the

whole detail and there was no way he could have changed

anything he could have done. And he was ringing us up at

two, three o'clock in the morning, talking to mates and crying

and stuff. But then once we all got together, rang

him and just told him, there's nothing you could have done. And it

wasn't bad, it was just something during work and he was blaming himself for using

some different thing. And he came

back, it took a couple of months, but he came back after just, chatting

with us and then there was another guy who was dealing with some stuff but

wasn't sharing that he was dealing with some stuff until after

he went down like a dark path and we were like going what are you what

are you doing you should have told us and we got angry with him quite

a bit because he wouldn't talk to us because he came from

that mentality where you don't share your feelings and he was fine

and looking out for everybody else, but no one

was checking in with him. So I think the

best thing to do is you just got to have an open mind, but you've got

to be, if they're not listening to you, you've got to sit

there and go, mate, you got to snap out of this and get back into it.

Let's go through it again and just repeat it. And then it's

all just repetition, but you've got to put your foot down when

it needs to be put down, but you also got to be caring when you need to be caring, so.

Yeah, it's the best thing to do, just to then go, mate, you need to pull your fucking head in.

OK, it's not your fault. But you also got to have that, come

and give us a hug and everything's going to be all right kind of thing as well.

You need to show them that. Oh, you've got to show them you're caring and you're

going to be there. But you also got to show them that, mate, you need to fucking pick

up because there's a lot of people depending on you. And if you fucking

go off and think stupid stuff, then you've got to think about

all the people you're going to be leaving behind. and how angry,

because I had to say that to another guy. So

if anything happened and you went down a different path, I'd be

so pissed at you, so pissed and upset with myself that

I didn't do more, but also that you didn't have a chat to your

family and your loved ones. It's all right to talk with me, but there's shit

happening in your family that you need to bring up and you're just

bundling up and just stupid, stupid stuff.

That's such a common thing with men. They won't speak to

their partners about any of that stuff because they've got this preconceived

idea of like, you know, I'm that whole protective avoidant. We

speak about it so much that you can't show that side

where you're struggling because it's somewhat of like an honor failure. Yeah.

No. Like if you're in a relationship with someone, you're

And that's the same with girls. Girls are great because they'll catch

up and go have a wine and go show their feelings and stuff

like that. And they'll deal with a lot of stuff. But

then they'll, sometimes I'll bottle it up, but then they're great

sounding boards for each other where they'll just blah and just tell their

other mates, guy mates, girl mates, how they're feeling. And

guys need to do that as well. Just need to just unleash and just

let it all out and have a bit of a cry and sit there and go, this is what's happening

in my life. How am I going to change it? Can you help us? And go, yeah.

But there's situations where if they're not going to help themselves, then

you've got to take that step back. and let it go to shit

a little bit more. And then step back in again and go, see, this is

what's going to happen. So let me help you. So I can, yeah,

yeah. They need that realisation. Cause

if they, if they don't realise and they keep depending on their mates to

fish them out of the crap again, then it's just going to be repetition after

Yeah, a bit of accountability. Yeah, yeah, I need that accountability. Love that

word. You said you have one of these guys

calling you at two, three o'clock in the morning. Yeah, yeah. Now, running Bloke's Advice, we

do see posts come in late, late at night because, you

know, maybe they're on the drink, maybe they're just too far into their thoughts.

Yeah. And I think Guys feel like that they're more

of a bother, obviously, because it's the middle of the night. But any

bloke would rather take the phone call than get a bad phone

call the next morning. So it's very important that guys can

reach out to someone on that kind of night. So obviously, if

you don't have boys that you feel comfortable with, there's heaps

And if you don't like the professional services, go to Bloke's Advice and just type

in need someone to talk to or something like

that into the search bar and you'll find guys that just say inbox

open and just shoot them a bunch of messages. You'll find someone. There's

Oh, really? That's awesome. See, that's the kind of people, the kind

of services people need so that they know that there's someone out there

just listening and you guys doing that. That's freaking awesome. David. I

Neither one of us two, or majority of the

guys in the Vlogster community on Facebook, none of us claim

Happy and having it, and that's what people want. A lot of the time that's all people need. There

But then you lead them in that direction. Mate, this is way too much for me.

This is what you should get in contact with and that's what people need. If

they've got someone to listen to, that's great. But if they need that

extra bit of help, then you guys show them that way.

That's awesome. That's why it grew so big and so popular

is because blokes seem to like lived experience.

And that's what our whole thing is based on. Right. So if maybe your

wife's left you. Yeah. Taking the kids. Yeah. You're an

absolute mess. Yeah. You know, there's hundreds of thousands of blokes. I

guarantee there's thousands of them in there that can tell

you how they dealt with it. Yeah. What they did right. What they

did wrong. Yeah. And guys seem more receptive to

Yeah, you go see a shrink and they've got their tie on and stuff. They

haven't lived that experience, but they've heard that experience from

Joe Bloggs from down the road. so they can get a

little bit of perception from that and tell that person what they need to

hear. But they need that actual person who's

been through all that crap, who's had their wife leave them, who's taken their kids,

who's been in that situation and then, yeah, this is what I've done. And goes,

I've done that, well, this is what I've done, or I haven't done that. So, that's

Oh yeah, that's the biggest thing. It's the whole, yeah, relatability thing. But even what we

tell guys all the time is what works for one person may not necessarily work

for you two. So take all the advice that's given on board

and just have a chat with someone. But like I mentioned before, a lot

of times just they need to know that there's a

place that they can reach out and that someone's going to be there to listen. Even

if they don't get given advice, or this is what I did, this is what I did, they just go, oh,

Another good thing about BA is that just seeing that other

Fills me up with some hope that I can do it. So they might not talk to anyone, they

might not comment, they might not do anything. But the power of

And just having that thought in their head and then looking at it, reading

it and going, okay, cool, this is how they deal with it. Not actually getting

So you got a bloke of a week for us? So we do bloke of the week every week

where we jump into the group and someone's done something awesome or something

This is the bloke of the week that I've been thinking of for a little while because he

sort of earned it. But I wanted it to

be a special time. And I don't know if you'll be able to read a

All the time, not prepared. See, it's not written down. He just came up

See, I know, because you know who it is. So

my bloke of the week, I'll break this down for you here, Trev. So this

Who, he's a very well-known feeder in the bloke's of us community

and the larger automotive community. Okay, yeah. And

he has a bright yellow Suzuki Swift. Okay.

He's built this thing from the ground up. He's done, Matty's done over

many, many times with trying to use the lingo because Matty's a big car

So, but our bloke of the week this week is Swifty,

Mr Jack. And purely just because of the

dedication that he has done. So he works two jobs just to be able

to afford to do his passion and what he loves. Oh wow, that's awesome. And like I

said, early to mid-twenties and he's got this passion and purpose to actually

Inspiring a lot of guys in the car scene, you know, whatever. It

takes a lot of money to run this still. Millsy he's driving

taxis at night and then we stand up even later early mornings

trying to fabricate this thing himself I mean he's ripped he's had to

move the firewall back half a meter to fit an LS V8 out

Our listeners know so

He's all over it. Converted it to rear-wheel drive this thing's making like Almost

500 horsepower now. That is excellent. And he's

Positive outlook on life. Yeah. His little slogan is what

Yeah. He does like to party. So because of that, Jack is

We'll send some merch your way, so Bloke's Advice t-shirts

Probably no stickers, he's already got a big sticker across the front of his head. Yeah, he don't want

He could go slapping them on other cars at events, but we'll get that out to

you. And then if anyone else wants BA merch, blokesadvice.com, it

I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Get him on. He doesn't like bananas or

Yeah, that's great. Cheers. I'm glad I mentioned that to you. Awesome. Thanks.

They're out here. I'm going to go see him. Yeah. Yeah. Mark's that

off the list. That's probably, yeah, that'd be great. So we will drop all your

socials down below. Yeah. So anyone can click on the click

on the description down below and you can find Trevor's socials.

Jump on, you are all as authentic as

We're trying to speak to blokes that are just real genuine

So, no. Find us on all the socials. LinkedIn,

He's winging it, bro. He's winging it. Oh my God, no.

Jump over to BetterBloodProject.org and

find out everything that we're doing, including events. He's

throwing me. He's throwing me. I had that all sorted, too.

Jump over the website, find what we're doing. What are the socials again? If you

want the socials. Yeah, what are they? Better Bloke Projects. OK, cool. Instagram, Facebook,

See, it was in there. It was in there. You just had to work around. You took the scenic route.

Yeah, jump on scenic pisses. You'll be great. All right. As

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