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Introduction Voiceover:Future Ecologies.
Mendel Skulski:Hello, and welcome to part two of
Mendel Skulski:Goatwalker. In the last episode, we met Jim Corbett, a rancher,
Mendel Skulski:philosopher, and desert survivalist. If you haven't
Mendel Skulski:already heard it, I strongly suggest you give it a listen.
Mendel Skulski:Because understanding a bit about Jim will go a long way
Mendel Skulski:towards understanding the radical social movement he
Mendel Skulski:helped to spark.
Mendel Skulski:The story of that movement is the subject of today's episode.
Mendel Skulski:My co host, Adam will take it from here.
Adam Huggins:So what comes to mind when you hear the word
Adam Huggins:sanctuary?
Adam Huggins:For me, up until just the past few years, the word would have
Adam Huggins:conjured images of this scene of Quasimodo rescuing Esmerelda in
Adam Huggins:the Hunchback of Notre Dame, Disney version, of course.
Adam Huggins:Sanctuary has almost a medieval feeling as if it's a historical
Adam Huggins:artifact of a bygone time. But by around 2016, the word
Adam Huggins:sanctuary had assumed an entirely new meaning, at least
Adam Huggins:in the United States. At the time, the status of so called
Adam Huggins:sanctuary cities was getting a lot of press. driven by a former
Adam Huggins:reality TV show star turned politician.
Donald Trump:We will end the sanctuary cities that have
Donald Trump:resulted in so many needless deaths.
Adam Huggins:If this somehow flew under your radar, sanctuary
Adam Huggins:cities are basically jurisdictions that pledged to
Adam Huggins:offer municipal services and conducts law enforcement without
Adam Huggins:cooperating with immigration enforcement. Meaning,
Adam Huggins:theoretically, that if you were living in a sanctuary
Adam Huggins:jurisdiction in the United States without legal status, you
Adam Huggins:could still access housing or legal services and interact with
Adam Huggins:law enforcement without fear of deportation. By 2018, over 500
Adam Huggins:US jurisdictions had adopted some kind of sanctuary policy.
Adam Huggins:The Trump administration made several attempts to fulfill a
Adam Huggins:campaign promise to withhold federal funding from these self
Adam Huggins:identified sanctuary cities. But like most things the Trump
Adam Huggins:administration tried to do. Their attempts to cut this
Adam Huggins:federal funding got bogged down in the courts and eventually
Adam Huggins:blocked, in whole or in part, depending on the provision.
Adam Huggins:Underneath all of this noise, you might be wondering how this
Adam Huggins:idea of sanctuary made the jump from the Abbey's of medieval
Adam Huggins:Europe to the supercharged rhetoric of US immigration
Adam Huggins:policy sanctuary
Donald Trump:For these criminal illegal aliens.
Adam Huggins:Thankfully, for nearly every question like this
Adam Huggins:nowadays, someone has produced a podcast to answer it. And in
Adam Huggins:2017, producer Delaney Hall of the podcast 99%, Invisible,
Adam Huggins:released a two part series profiling something called the
Adam Huggins:Sanctuary Movement, and organizing network of churches
Adam Huggins:and civil society groups that formed in the 1980s to help
Adam Huggins:refugees from Central America evade US immigration
Adam Huggins:authorities. The series focused specifically on the church state
Adam Huggins:issues this movement raised, and on the eventual trial of its
Adam Huggins:leadership, chief among whom were John Fife, and Jim Corbett.
Adam Huggins:The 99% Invisible series puts the spotlight on John, which
Adam Huggins:makes sense, he remains a powerful voice in defense of
Adam Huggins:migrant rights. And of the two men, he's the one who's still
Adam Huggins:able to sit for an interview. But for me, this has the
Adam Huggins:unintentional effect of downplaying Jim's foundational
Adam Huggins:role in the movement. In fact, when Jim suddenly started
Adam Huggins:relating his experiences as part of the Sanctuary Movement, about
Adam Huggins:halfway through Goatwalking, his first book, I actually had to go
Adam Huggins:back and listen to the 99% Invisible story to see if he was
Adam Huggins:in there at all – because if he was, it hadn't really left an
Adam Huggins:impression. It turns out they had included him, but I could be
Adam Huggins:forgiven for forgetting, other than some details surrounding
Adam Huggins:the decision to declare sanctuary and the trial. This is
Adam Huggins:how producer Delaney Hall summed Jim up at the time.
Delaney Hall:Jim Corbett died in 2001. But back in the 80s, he
Delaney Hall:lived on the edge of Tucson, he raised goats, and he knew a lot
Delaney Hall:about philosophy. He was also a Quaker.
Adam Huggins:Now, don't get me wrong. She definitely had Jim
Adam Huggins:pegged. He did raise goats and was a Quaker and he knew a lot
Adam Huggins:about philosophy. The series is excellent. I highly recommend
Adam Huggins:listening to it and I think she made the right call and not
Adam Huggins:getting too deep into the weeds with Jim.
Adam Huggins:But on this podcast, getting into the weeds is what we're all
Adam Huggins:about. And in my estimation, Jim's philosophy and his goat
Adam Huggins:walking aren't incidental to the story of the Sanctuary Movement.
Adam Huggins:They're essential, and they prefigure everything that
Adam Huggins:follows. All of his life, Jim had been tilting at windmills,
Adam Huggins:seeking opportunities to live out his philosophy of errantry
Adam Huggins:and nonviolence in practice. And in the early 1980s, Jim finally
Adam Huggins:picked a windmill that turned out to be a lightning rod. All
Adam Huggins:it took was a chance encounter. From Future Ecologies, this is
Goatwalker, part two:Sanctuary.
Goatwalker, part two:The origin story of the Sanctuary Movement in the United
Goatwalker, part two:States might begin with a small goat milking cooperative that
Goatwalker, part two:Jim Corbett had brought together in the early 1980s. Jim and his
Goatwalker, part two:wife, Pat, we're living in Tucson, Arizona, and Ann
Goatwalker, part two:Russell, the Quaker student who went on a goatwalk with Jim in
Goatwalker, part two:the 1970s happened to be attending the University of
Goatwalker, part two:Arizona at the time.
Ann Russell:I started my master's degree, and they were
Ann Russell:living close by. And so I started to go over because I
Ann Russell:missed the goats and I missed Jim, and I would go over and
Ann Russell:milk in the morning, and he would make oatmeal. And the
Ann Russell:three of us would have breakfast,
Adam Huggins:Ann was working in the department of plant
Adam Huggins:pathology when she met Tom Orum. And it didn't take long for her
Adam Huggins:to introduce Tom to Jim and the goats.
Ann Russell:And so he started coming over and the group
Ann Russell:started getting bigger and then it was a goat co-op.
Adam Huggins:The members of the goat co-op jokingly referred to
Adam Huggins:themselves as Los Cabreros Andantes.
Ann Russell:Jim read Don Quixote, he saw himself as Don
Ann Russell:Quixote, and in Spanish, a knight errant, which was what
Ann Russell:Don Quixote was – in Spanish, that's Caballeros Andante. So we
Ann Russell:were Cabreros Andantes – Cabrero being goat herd, and Caballero
Ann Russell:being gentlemen,
Adam Huggins:These self-proclaimed "goat herders
Adam Huggins:errant" would meet regularly to schedule milking slots, and the
Adam Huggins:chance encounter I've alluded to occurred on the evening of May
Adam Huggins:4, 1981. At one of those meetings, Tom Orum was there and
Adam Huggins:he remembers the night well,
Tom Orum:We were having a goat group meeting – Los Cabreros
Tom Orum:Andantes. We were passing the signup sheet around, and this
Tom Orum:guy who was connected with our Baja project,
Adam Huggins:a Quaker named James Dudley.
Tom Orum:He was driving a van up from Sonora, and picked up a
Tom Orum:Salvadoran guy and came into goat group meeting and described
Tom Orum:what had happened.
Adam Huggins:Dudley had been driving from the border town of
Adam Huggins:Nogales north to Tucson, and had picked up a hitchhiker from the
Adam Huggins:small Central American country of El Salvador. Almost
Adam Huggins:immediately, they reached a border checkpoint, and border
Adam Huggins:patrol agents seized the Salvadoran, who had no papers
Border Patrol Agent:[unitelligible] a high area for us, that's why
Border Patrol Agent:we're pulling almost everybody over.
Adam Huggins:And that was that. Dudley kept driving, stopped by
Adam Huggins:the meeting, and told the story to the group. At the time, it
Adam Huggins:seemed like it could have been an isolated incident. But Jim
Adam Huggins:took it seriously.
Tom Orum:Well, it was like serious, but it didn't get real
Tom Orum:serious until Jim woke up the next morning and decided to go
Tom Orum:down and find the guy down in Nogales.
Adam Huggins:Jim was determined to speak with the Salvadoran,
Adam Huggins:who was being held in custody by the I N S, or the Immigration
Adam Huggins:and Naturalization Service. This was before it was subsumed
Adam Huggins:within the Department of Homeland Security, post 9/11. To
Adam Huggins:figure out where the man was, Jim started making cold calls.
Adam Huggins:And he quickly realized that nobody in the INS or Border
Adam Huggins:Patrol was going to give him any information. He was able to
Adam Huggins:reach a local aid organization, and he was given a form called a
Adam Huggins:G 28 that the Salvadoran could fill out in order to seek legal
Adam Huggins:assistance. But first, he'd actually have to find the man.
Adam Huggins:Then, an idea came to him. By coincidence, Jim shared both
Adam Huggins:first and last names with a former mayor of the city of
Adam Huggins:Tucson. And so he called the IRS back and with his best, most
Adam Huggins:commanding voice, he declared himself to be "Jim Corbett", and
Adam Huggins:demanded information on the location of the Salvadoran. And
Adam Huggins:he got it. They'd taken the man to the Santa Cruz County Jail in
Adam Huggins:Nogales on the border to await deportation. Jim went down there
Adam Huggins:that very afternoon. When he arrived at the jail and
Adam Huggins:requested to see the Salvadoran, they set him up with another
Adam Huggins:prisoner who wasn't the man in question. And once he realized
Adam Huggins:this, they sat him in the waiting room, and they made him
Adam Huggins:wait. Finally, when Jim became frustrated and demanded at last
Adam Huggins:to see the man he'd come to see, the guard said that he was gone.
Adam Huggins:While they'd kept him waiting, they'd taken the Salvadoran and
Adam Huggins:shipped him off to El Centro prison in California.
Unknown:And that just really hooked Jim. If they hadn't
Unknown:tricked him and just let him talk to the guy, who knows? But
Unknown:being tricked was – really set the tone for oh my gosh, this is
Unknown:not right.
Ann Russell:That's how it started with him was he met a
Ann Russell:guy who was taken away, and he had to find out what happened to
Ann Russell:him. So it was like one person, he met a person and then had to
Ann Russell:look for him. And then that's the thing about Jim, everything
Ann Russell:has a logical next step. And you follow it even though it may not
Ann Russell:be comfortable, and it may take you places that people tell you
Ann Russell:you can't go.
Adam Huggins:At this point, I think it's important to note
Adam Huggins:that in the 1970s, the border just wasn't as militarized as it
Adam Huggins:is today. Movement was much more fluid between Mexico and the
Adam Huggins:United States, and a certain amount of permeability was seen
Adam Huggins:as socially and economically advantageous for border
Adam Huggins:communities. But in 1980, 2 things happened that set the
Adam Huggins:stage for Jim's chance encounter. The first was the
Adam Huggins:outbreak of civil war across Central America. In 1979, the
Adam Huggins:Sandinistas, a revolutionary leftist Socialist Party,
Adam Huggins:overthrew the government of Nicaragua.
News Announcer:Despite everything the government forces
News Announcer:have thrown at them, their morale is high. And when the
News Announcer:guns stopped firing for a moment, their chant is a
News Announcer:victory.
Sandinistas:[Chanting]
Adam Huggins:military leaders in El Salvador, fearing similar
Adam Huggins:movements in their own country, instigated a coup d'etat a
Adam Huggins:couple of months later,
News Announcer 2 00:12:16
This kind of butchery, which is generally the
News Announcer 2 00:12:18
activity of those on the right wing in this country, is the
News Announcer 2 00:12:21
sort of thing which can be found on any roadside throughout El
News Announcer 2 00:12:25
Salvador at this time.
Adam Huggins:Meanwhile, a civil war that had been ongoing since
Adam Huggins:the 1960s in Guatemala was flaring up. And the military
Adam Huggins:government in Honduras was waging its own dirty war against
Adam Huggins:leftist groups. The Reagan administration in the United
Adam Huggins:States openly supported these right wing military governments
Adam Huggins:– viewing them as friendly to US foreign policy interests, and as
Adam Huggins:a bulwark against so-called communism in the region.
News Announcer 2 00:12:53
Below in the yard of the police station,
News Announcer 2 00:12:55
heavily armed police returned from making their rounds. There
News Announcer 2 00:12:59
are countless instances of deaths and disappearances, in
News Announcer 2 00:13:02
which they have been found to have played a role. Yet, they
News Announcer 2 00:13:05
are armed with NATO weaponry, which the United States is
News Announcer 2 00:13:08
continuing to supply.
Adam Huggins:We now know that the CIA was covertly funding and
Adam Huggins:arming death squads, and other right wing paramilitary groups
Adam Huggins:throughout Central America, the most infamous of which were
Adam Huggins:Battalion 316 in Honduras and the Contras in Nicaragua, the
Adam Huggins:namesake of the eventual Iran-Contra scandal. This
Adam Huggins:history is complex and multifaceted. But the end result
Adam Huggins:was the violent displacement of millions of Central Americans in
Adam Huggins:the 1980s. Due to civil war, US backed death squads, and
Adam Huggins:government campaigns of terror aimed at political dissidents
Adam Huggins:and indigenous peoples. And so, in 1981, refugees from Central
Adam Huggins:America started arriving in the US-Mexico Borderlands: seeking
Adam Huggins:asylum and foreshadowing the 10s and 100s of thousands to come.
Adam Huggins:The second thing that happened was the passage in 1980 of the
Adam Huggins:Refugee Act in the United States. This law, shepherded by
Adam Huggins:outgoing President Jimmy Carter, brought US immigration law into
Adam Huggins:alignment with international human rights standards: more
Adam Huggins:than doubling the number of refugees that the United States
Adam Huggins:would admit each year, and establishing a well-founded fear
Adam Huggins:of persecution as the standard by which to judge asylum
Adam Huggins:applicants. This legislation expanded eligibility for many
Adam Huggins:refugees and asylum seekers, but unfortunately, was not immune
Adam Huggins:from the politics of the day.
Adam Huggins:Under the newly-elected Reagan Administration, refugees from
Adam Huggins:countries that the US considered adversaries, such as Cuba and
Adam Huggins:Iran, were accepted and naturalized in large numbers
Adam Huggins:thanks to the Refugee Act. On the other hand, the Reagan
Adam Huggins:Administration's overt support for the right wing governments
Adam Huggins:of El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, meant that It refused
Adam Huggins:to acknowledge the atrocities committed by those governments
Adam Huggins:against their own citizens.
Adam Huggins:By extension, throughout the 1980s, nearly all asylum seekers
Adam Huggins:from Central America were considered by the Reagan era ins
Adam Huggins:to be, quote unquote, economic migrants, regardless of their
Adam Huggins:well-founded fear of persecution. In 1981, a refugee
Adam Huggins:from Cuba would find the door wide open under Reagan's INS.
Adam Huggins:But the Salvadoran that Jim was trying to locate, didn't have a
Adam Huggins:chance in hell.
Adam Huggins:Jim would drive all the way to El Centro present in California
Adam Huggins:to try to help the Salvadoran refugee to no avail. That's a
Adam Huggins:story in and of itself. But while Jim is out there, I'm
Adam Huggins:going to take a moment to give John Fife, the pastor I spoke to
Adam Huggins:in the last episode, a proper introduction. Because if Jim was
Adam Huggins:the spark that ignited the Sanctuary Movement, John would
Adam Huggins:provide the hearth that sustained it.
John Fife:My name is John Fife. I grew up in the mountains of
John Fife:southwestern Pennsylvania, near West Virginia, and small town,
John Fife:rural farm life was my heritage.
Adam Huggins:John wanted to be a pastor. So he enrolled in
Adam Huggins:seminary, and when he started looking for internships, he got
Adam Huggins:a call from a man from Tucson, Arizona.
John Fife:And he says "we have an internship out here and got
John Fife:your name and wondered if you'd be interested in". I said "well,
John Fife:tell me a little bit about that." And he did the job
John Fife:description and a little bit about the desert in the border.
John Fife:And, and he said "Do you have any questions?" And I said,
John Fife:"Yeah, I got to what's an Indian? And what's a
John Fife:reservation?" And he went, "Oh," and I said "well you need to
John Fife:know, I'm from Western Pennsylvania. I don't know
John Fife:anything about the Southwest. I've never been in the
John Fife:southwest. I don't know anything about Native Americans." And
John Fife:there's a kind of long silence. And he says "well, church has
John Fife:done a lot of damage to Native Americans over the years, you
John Fife:probably can't do too much more in three months once you come
John Fife:out." And so I said "I'd love to, if that's if we understand
John Fife:each other."
Adam Huggins:John left the mountains of southwestern
Adam Huggins:Pennsylvania for the Borderlands of southwestern Arizona, and
Adam Huggins:never looked back.
John Fife:The Sonoran Desert was a wonder and the border and
John Fife:the multicultural context of Native Americans and Latinos and
John Fife:African Americans and gringos all in here in the border
John Fife:region. All of the advantages of that kind of multicultural
John Fife:context and multi ecological context from the tops of the
John Fife:mountains to the Sonoran Desert. And so I just couldn't believe
John Fife:there was a place like this and my wife and I moved out here
John Fife:after I finished graduate school and stayed since 1969. Yeah, I
John Fife:love it.
Adam Huggins:Before long, john would become the pastor for
Adam Huggins:Southside Presbyterian Church in Tucson.
John Fife:This church is located in the oldest and
John Fife:poorest barrio in Tucson, and it had a history of beginning as a
John Fife:Native American congregation in the Native American village
John Fife:outside the south of the city of Tucson because Native Americans
John Fife:weren't allowed to live in the city of Tucson, and then is the
John Fife:city grew around here and it became a Mexican American and
John Fife:Native American barrio, the congregation became
John Fife:multicultural and bilingual or trilingual.
Adam Huggins:By the time that John arrived, a once thriving
Adam Huggins:congregation was now struggling to sustain itself and was at
Adam Huggins:threat of being closed by the Presbyteriat. Under John's
Adam Huggins:leadership, though, the church grew strong again, supported by
Adam Huggins:this multi ethnic, multi lingual community. And then came 1988.
Archbishop Oscar Romero:[Archival speech in Spanish]
Adam Huggins:In March of 1980, the Archbishop Oscar Romero was
Adam Huggins:assassinated in El Salvador by a US-backed death squad for
Adam Huggins:speaking out against military violence.
Archbishop Oscar Romero:[Spanish continues, followed by applause]
Adam Huggins:His death was the most high profile in a series of
Adam Huggins:attacks against Christian priests and nuns across Central
Adam Huggins:America. And the event galvanized John Fife and his
Adam Huggins:congregation at Southside
John Fife:And so we started weekly prayer vigils in front of
John Fife:the Federal Building, and guess who showed up – Jim Corbett – at
John Fife:some point at those weekly prayer vigils saying "I just had
John Fife:an experience with a refugee young man from El Salvador that
John Fife:I tried to help and was unable to because the Border Patrol
John Fife:moved him to a detention center in California, and I wasn't able
John Fife:to prevent his deportation like I'd hoped to." So Jim was
John Fife:essential right from that point on. He actually talked to the
John Fife:head of the Immigration Service here in Tucson, and reached an
John Fife:agreement with him that if we would take in voluntarily
John Fife:Salvadoran and Guatemalan refugees who wanted to apply for
John Fife:political asylum, he would not detain them, he released them to
John Fife:our custody.
Adam Huggins:At first, Jim worked with a small women led
Adam Huggins:organization called Manzo Area Council in Tucson, to try to
Adam Huggins:render aid to refugees through legal channels. But because of
Adam Huggins:his experiences with how law enforcement treated migrants,
Adam Huggins:Jim was cautious.
Jim Corbett:So I was apprehensive because I didn't
Jim Corbett:trust him. I, you know, I'd been to El Centro and I knew how they
Jim Corbett:operated. But it seemed to us the best option for most of the
Jim Corbett:refugees to file for asylum, as long as they were reasonably
Jim Corbett:sure of getting two or three years, in terms of appeals.
Miriam Davidson:It was more of the time – buying time than the
Miriam Davidson:idea that they would get it?
Jim Corbett:Yeah we knew they wouldn't get and that had
Jim Corbett:already been established that the Reagan administration was
Jim Corbett:not going to give Salvadorans asylum. But the thing was that
Jim Corbett:this would allow people to be out in the open, move around at
Jim Corbett:will and not risk being simply grabbed and deported anymore. At
Jim Corbett:least not risk it in the same way others would.
Adam Huggins:Jim negotiated an arrangement with an officer at
Adam Huggins:the local Immigration Service, he would bring in refugees and
Adam Huggins:the proper paperwork. And they would begin processing the
Adam Huggins:asylum claim and let the refugees go on conditional
Adam Huggins:status.
Jim Corbett:Sit down and wait your turn. And then eventually
Jim Corbett:they call you up and you present the person and the I 589. And
Jim Corbett:they look through it and give you a little receipt.
Adam Huggins:And then one day, when Jim brought in several men
Adam Huggins:seeking refugee status, this arrangement seemed to fall
Adam Huggins:apart. After making Jim wait longer than usual, that same
Adam Huggins:immigration officer came out and said
Jim Corbett:"We're gonna go downstairs to investigations and
Jim Corbett:–
Miriam Davidson:Did he tell you right there that he was going to
Miriam Davidson:arrest them or...
Jim Corbett:He said we're gonna make an inquiry. At any rate, it
Jim Corbett:was clear that things were going sour.
Adam Huggins:They took the men that Jim had brought with him
Adam Huggins:into custody. All parties agree upon that point. The reasons for
Adam Huggins:this are disputed, though, according to the INS, it was
Adam Huggins:because the men had criminal records. However, Jim recalls
Adam Huggins:the decision being wholly unjustified.
Jim Corbett:At no point did he give that as a reason for having
Jim Corbett:done this.
Adam Huggins:In Jim's mind, the US government had already
Adam Huggins:declared war on Central American refugees. But this, this was the
Adam Huggins:moment when it also cut off any legal pathway for US citizens to
Adam Huggins:try to help them
Jim Corbett:And made it fairly clear that this was a position
Jim Corbett:that we could expect in the future as well for the people we
Jim Corbett:brought in.
John Fife:And Jim came to me at that point, and said, "John, I
John Fife:don't think we have any choice under the circumstances except
John Fife:to start smuggling refugees safely across the border. So
John Fife:they're not caught by Border Patrol or immigration
John Fife:authorities." And I basically said, "really, how do you figure
John Fife:that Jim?" And his rationale was compelling. He said, "look at
John Fife:two moments in history." He said, "The first is the
John Fife:abolition movement, when some people of faith helped runaway
John Fife:slaves cross state lines safely, without being captured, and then
John Fife:formed an underground railroad to move them to safer and safer
John Fife:places, so they wouldn't be captured under The Fugitive
John Fife:Slave Act and return to slavery." And he said, "as we
John Fife:read history, those folks got it right. They were faithful."
John Fife:And then he pointed to almost the complete failure of the
John Fife:church in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. To protect Jewish
John Fife:refugees who were fleeing the Holocaust, crossing national
John Fife:borders, without documents – being captured as illegal
John Fife:aliens, and returned to the tender mercies of the Holocaust.
John Fife:And he said to me, "that's one of the most tragic failures of
John Fife:faith of the church in history." And I said, "Well, yeah, that's
John Fife:how I read history." And his response. He looked me right in
John Fife:the eye and said, "I don't think we can allow that to happen on
John Fife:our border in our time". And after some sleepless nights, I
John Fife:went back to him and said, "Yeah, you're right. I, I cannot
John Fife:claim to be a person of faith, or even a pastor of a faith
John Fife:community. If I tell you no, I, of course, you're right. We have
John Fife:to do this."
Adam Huggins:Beginning in the summer of 1981, Jim Corbett
Adam Huggins:undertook the first of what would become hundreds of risky
Adam Huggins:trips to the border to help Central American refugees safely
Adam Huggins:across and up to Tucson. He didn't do it alone. He had the
Adam Huggins:help of Los Cabreros Andantes. As he writes in Goatwalking.
Goatwalking:Few groups could have been better prepared,
Goatwalking:bonded together and predisposed than the Cabreros Andantes to
Goatwalking:help the refugees get through. Errantry shifted from goat
Goatwalking:herding to refugee aid.
Adam Huggins:I really want to stop and emphasize this point
Adam Huggins:for a moment. In my own reading of history, people who cultivate
Adam Huggins:intimate relationships with the more-than-human world often
Adam Huggins:become leaders, and resources in times of disaster, of
Adam Huggins:deprivation, and of demagoguery. In this respect, I would argue
Adam Huggins:that you could draw a straight line from St. Francis of Assisi
Adam Huggins:to Henry David Thoreau, and right on to Jim Corbett. Few
Adam Huggins:people would have made the decision that Jim and John made,
Adam Huggins:and fewer still would have actually been able to pull it
Adam Huggins:off. Jim's years of roaming in the desert with his goats turned
Adam Huggins:out to be a singular contribution.
John Fife:Oh, it meant everything. I mean, what does
John Fife:some gringo from Western Pennsylvania know about
John Fife:smuggling refugees across the border? It was all Jim's
John Fife:conception and Jim's practice. And then Jim's training of other
John Fife:volunteers in that practice. That was the foundation of
John Fife:everything we did.
Adam Huggins:By this time, Jim and his inner circle had already
Adam Huggins:formed relationships with a Catholic priest, Father Quinones
Adam Huggins:at the Sanctuary of Guadalupe church on the other side of the
Adam Huggins:border in Nogales, Father Quinones would do weekly visits
Adam Huggins:to the local Mexican prison, where migrants were held
Adam Huggins:awaiting deportation. And Jim would join him, new groups of
Adam Huggins:migrants would arrive and depart every week. And the conditions
Adam Huggins:in the jail were not good.
Jim Corbett:Yeah, it was just a concrete holding tank with
Jim Corbett:nothing to sleep on. And normally, when we started
Jim Corbett:working on it at a later point, no, no blankets or anything they
Jim Corbett:just slept on the concrete floor. It was open air, so it
Jim Corbett:got very, very cold in the winter.
Adam Huggins:Once there, he do refugee support work, helping
Adam Huggins:supply blankets and mattresses and sanitary products, as well
Adam Huggins:as assisting the refugees and connecting with family members.
Adam Huggins:He'd also use these visits as an opportunity to learn about how
Adam Huggins:they traveled from their homes to the border, and how they
Adam Huggins:crossed – and how they got caught. This research ended up
Adam Huggins:being really crucial, because in the summer of 1981, the
Adam Huggins:floodgates opened, Central American refugees began arriving
Adam Huggins:in the Borderlands in unprecedented numbers.
John Fife:And so with a group of about, I don't know, 20 or So
John Fife:folks, in cooperation with a Catholic priest in Nogales,
John Fife:Sonora, who had been running a shelter for Central American
John Fife:refugees to protect them there in Mexico. He would refer
John Fife:families to us, we would cross them bring them to Tucson,
Adam Huggins:Jim and other volunteers were making daily
Adam Huggins:trips to Nogales to help them across.
Jim Corbett:It was just almost every day people were just
Jim Corbett:coming through so fast.
Adam Huggins:They'd do this all sorts of ways. For example, Jim
Adam Huggins:learned of a hole in the border fence on the east side of
Adam Huggins:Nogales – and when it would be watched.
Jim Corbett:And there were certain times when the hole was
Jim Corbett:really just left unattended. So if you knew the times when they
Jim Corbett:weren't going to bother, you'd just always make it and then in
Jim Corbett:'81, you know just day after day after day people were going
Jim Corbett:through...
Adam Huggins:And Jim would find those people and transport them
Adam Huggins:safely past the Border Patrol to Tucson. Throughout summer in
Adam Huggins:fall of 1981, Pat Corbett remembers him being in constant
Adam Huggins:motion.
Pat Corbett:Oh gosh there for a while. He'd be just, you know,
Pat Corbett:three or four trips a day to Mexico. Really, I don't know how
Pat Corbett:he did it,
Adam Huggins:We'll probably never know entirely. But in
Adam Huggins:those early days, he did it mostly just by picking folks up
Adam Huggins:and driving them north in his truck.
Pat Corbett:At that time the Border Patrol wasn't so you
Pat Corbett:know, on the lookout for that kind of thing. So it wasn't as
Pat Corbett:hard as later became.
Adam Huggins:As sanctuary activities became more public
Adam Huggins:and the situation worsened in Central America, the border
Adam Huggins:tightened up. Civilized ports of entry were fortified, forcing
Adam Huggins:migrants to attempt to cross the border in extremely dangerous,
Adam Huggins:sparsely inhabited stretches of desert, where untold numbers
Adam Huggins:would die over the coming decades.
Adam Huggins:This policy of prevention through deterrence, and its
Adam Huggins:deadly results are well documented today. But in the
Adam Huggins:early 1980s, large groups of migrants dying in shocking
Adam Huggins:numbers in the desert was still a novel phenomenon. In response
Adam Huggins:to this fortification, Jim used his incredible knowledge of the
Adam Huggins:Sonoran Desert ecology and geography to help groups of
Adam Huggins:migrants cross by foot. Those lucky enough to cross with Jim,
Adam Huggins:were in good hands.
John Fife:I've spent days and up to a week with him in the
John Fife:desert. It wasn't goatwalking, it was smuggling refugees. So I
John Fife:learned a lot from him in those brief periods, about desert
John Fife:survival and about what he was thinking, and about what he was
John Fife:teaching.
Adam Huggins:Jim's knowledge would carry the group's safely
Adam Huggins:across this harsh terrain. Of course, it wasn't easy.
Pat Corbett:I think the refugees, you know they were
Pat Corbett:pretty accustomed to a tough life. And even so I think they
Pat Corbett:found Jim's idea of how to pack across the desert in the
Pat Corbett:mountains pretty tough.
Adam Huggins:Eventually, the iconic quality of these desert
Adam Huggins:crossings would make front page news. Journalists from major
Adam Huggins:publications like the Chicago Tribune, would follow Jim into
Adam Huggins:the desert to get the full story.
Ann Russell:But that didn't stop them from taking refugees
Ann Russell:from the border up into the Chiricahua mountains wearing his
Ann Russell:sandals. On one time there was a TV crew from LA out with him and
Ann Russell:they couldn't hack it. And there's Jim with his sandals and
Ann Russell:his arthritic toes, just walking through the mountains.
Adam Huggins:But that was just getting folks safely across the
Adam Huggins:border. Then there was the question of what to do with
Adam Huggins:them. At first, Jim would bring the refugees to his and Pat's
Adam Huggins:apartment in Tucson, which quickly filled up. Here's a
Adam Huggins:recording of a talk that Pat gave to a group of Quakers
Adam Huggins:reflecting back on that time,
Pat Corbett:A reporter in Washington DC once asked me what
Pat Corbett:my role was in the Sanctuary Movement, which kind of
Pat Corbett:befuddled me and it still does. But I thought a while and I
Pat Corbett:said, Well, I guess I was the plumber. The reporter looked
Pat Corbett:quite stunned by this. And after a while, I realized that she
Pat Corbett:thought I meant a watergate type of plumber, when I was speaking
Pat Corbett:quite literally of the problems involved in having sometimes 20
Pat Corbett:or more people using a septic system meant for two.
Adam Huggins:While Pat was dealing with the immediate
Adam Huggins:problems presented by hosting too many people under one roof,
Adam Huggins:Jim and the other Cabreros Andantes reached out through
Adam Huggins:their networks to find temporary accommodation for these
Adam Huggins:refugees. One of the people who answered that call was Gary Paul
Adam Huggins:Nabhan
Gary Paul Nabhan:My first year in Tucson – after living on
Gary Paul Nabhan:ranches and national parks in southern Arizona – I ended up in
Gary Paul Nabhan:a community garden group with Jim and his wife and many of
Gary Paul Nabhan:their dear friends – at least half of them literally friends,
Gary Paul Nabhan:Quakers. And we not only shared garden space, but we helped with
Gary Paul Nabhan:goat milking. Because Jim was still doing his goatwalks.
Gary Paul Nabhan:But he was really the first philosopher I knew who had such
Gary Paul Nabhan:a deep grounding in western and eastern traditions, that he took
Gary Paul Nabhan:principles from perennial traditions and adapted them to
Gary Paul Nabhan:social justice here in the Borderlands. And he did it in a
Gary Paul Nabhan:very non egotistical way. He didn't announce things he'd say
Gary Paul Nabhan:something like, "Gary, I have some friends that I'd like you
Gary Paul Nabhan:to meet that are just passing through town and they share a
Gary Paul Nabhan:lot of your same interests. Could you meet us at the Denny's
Gary Paul Nabhan:a few blocks away from your house?" And I'd get over there
Gary Paul Nabhan:and there'd be a Guatemalan family that needed help filling
Gary Paul Nabhan:out the refugee papers in one state for a month with us and
Gary Paul Nabhan:finally got reunited with their extended family in California.
Adam Huggins:Like many people who befriended Jim and
Adam Huggins:participated in sanctuary, the experience was life changing for
Adam Huggins:Gary.
Gary Paul Nabhan:And I realized that well, at that age of my
Gary Paul Nabhan:20s, I thought it was just a good thing to do. I had no sense
Gary Paul Nabhan:of how much suffering they had gone through, and how even
Gary Paul Nabhan:coming to the United States ended up not to be a solace or a
Gary Paul Nabhan:sanctuary immediately, but a struggle to feel legal, and to
Gary Paul Nabhan:feel like they had their dignity and overcome the post traumatic
Gary Paul Nabhan:stress of not just what took them from their homeland, but
Gary Paul Nabhan:all the trials and tribulations they faced in Mexico. And Jim
Gary Paul Nabhan:somehow knew that from his own life and sort of guided those of
Gary Paul Nabhan:us who are facing it, for the first time – that it's not a cup
Gary Paul Nabhan:of tea, hosting refugees. They're going through deeply
Gary Paul Nabhan:troubling issues that you need to accompany them with. And I
Gary Paul Nabhan:thought it was giving them a room, and I realized afterwards
Gary Paul Nabhan:that was giving them my heart and my attention and my
Gary Paul Nabhan:listening.
Adam Huggins:We'll return to Gary later in this series. But
Adam Huggins:for now, I'll just say that Gary's experience is typical of
Adam Huggins:those who became drawn to sanctuary work by Jim helping
Adam Huggins:people felt good, but the traumas that those people
Adam Huggins:carried were with them all the time.
Pat Corbett:Oh, the stories you would hear from them were
Pat Corbett:appalling.
Adam Huggins:These were people who in many cases had directly
Adam Huggins:experienced unimaginable violence against their person or
Adam Huggins:their close family members, and who felt that remaining in their
Adam Huggins:homes was more dangerous than the perilous journey northward.
Adam Huggins:Traversing Mexico was and is extremely dangerous for Central
Adam Huggins:American migrants. The US had put increasing pressure on
Adam Huggins:Mexican authorities to prevent Central Americans from even
Adam Huggins:reaching the US border. And this criminalization of migration,
Adam Huggins:subjected migrants to organized crime, police corruption, and
Adam Huggins:worse things. It was especially dangerous for female refugees.
Jim Corbett:So a lot of it really had to do with the whole
Jim Corbett:problem connected with women in that it if they are young and
Jim Corbett:saleable, they're indefinitely exploitable, and as refugees are
Jim Corbett:completely vulnerable,
Adam Huggins:For these female refugees, they risked not only
Adam Huggins:being killed, but also being exploited and trafficked for
Adam Huggins:sex. If they were deported back to Central America, or captured
Adam Huggins:by police or criminals in Mexico, they were in an
Adam Huggins:incredibly difficult position. So while there were folks like
Adam Huggins:Gary, who took refugees in, in those early days, most of the
Adam Huggins:Central Americans still ended up living with Jim and Pat in their
Adam Huggins:tiny apartment,
Jim Corbett:It was just a really a very difficult thing to
Jim Corbett:cope with all the folks and at the same time. Someone was
Jim Corbett:arriving new on virtually every day. And most of my energy was
Jim Corbett:going into getting them through without there being caught,
Jim Corbett:which meant I brought them into Tucson and then hope someone
Jim Corbett:would do something. And frequently Pat and I were doing
Jim Corbett:it at the apartment that is in terms of the people crowded in
Jim Corbett:there. And if I was going to be responsible, in some sense for
Jim Corbett:trying to cope, it was easier to cope with 20 people crammed into
Jim Corbett:the apartment where I lived and to try to run around town,
Jim Corbett:figuring out what to do with folks somewhere else. So it
Jim Corbett:simply reached a point of extreme overload.
Adam Huggins:With their apartment full, and at their
Adam Huggins:wit's end, it was clear for Pat and Jim that something needed to
Adam Huggins:change. In hindsight, what happened next was a stroke of
Adam Huggins:sheer brilliance. Jim told it like this.
Jim Corbett:Oh, yeah, there's been a period of several weeks
Jim Corbett:where Pat had been talking about the need to find some church or
Jim Corbett:someone who could take care of the refugees. And that was
Jim Corbett:especially urgent because I was planning to go down to Chiapas
Jim Corbett:and Guatemala. And it became clear that it just wouldn't be
Jim Corbett:good to leave Pat alone, trying to tend to the apartment down
Jim Corbett:full of refugees.
Adam Huggins:Pat tells it like this.
Pat Corbett:At one point, I finally was saying to Jim, that
Pat Corbett:you should go talk to some of these church people who were
Pat Corbett:also concerned about the refugees. Because they have
Pat Corbett:these churches with lots of room, lots more room than we
Pat Corbett:had, and better plumbing. And so poor John five, Jim picked on
Pat Corbett:him. And he went to his congregation and they had a
Pat Corbett:congregation discussion about it and decided that they should
Pat Corbett:start housing refugees, so I was able to let them have my 21 or
Pat Corbett:22 refugees. Great sigh of relief
Adam Huggins:And John – he tells it like this:
John Fife:And then both Pat and my wife got together and
John Fife:threatened divorce and said, "Come on, guys, we can't be
John Fife:trying to provide all the care that refugees present to us in
John Fife:terms of their needs in our homes." And so that's when Jim
John Fife:came to me and said, "can we bring those folks to the
John Fife:church?"
Adam Huggins:By all accounts, I think we can conclude that Pat
Adam Huggins:was responsible for moving sanctuary from a tiny apartment
Adam Huggins:to the churches of America, setting the stage for a national
Adam Huggins:modern day Underground Railroad.
John Fife:That's probably an accurate rendering of history in
John Fife:my judgment, yeah.
Adam Huggins:From this point on, sanctuary would be spelled
Adam Huggins:with a capital S.
Adam Huggins:On March 24 1982, Southside Church publicly declared itself
Adam Huggins:to be a Sanctuary for the oppressed of Central America. By
Adam Huggins:1985, over 500 congregations joined creating a national
Adam Huggins:movement, with 1000s of volunteers working to shelter,
Adam Huggins:transport, and house refugees from war torn Central America.
Adam Huggins:Jim, the solitary Quaker, had finally found a home in the
Adam Huggins:church, and his principled stand had created a movement that
Adam Huggins:defied the most powerful government on the face of the
Adam Huggins:earth.
Adam Huggins:You might have a few questions at this point. For example, how
Adam Huggins:did Sanctuary volunteers ensure that the migrants that they were
Adam Huggins:helping were actually refugees? The answer is the church. When
Adam Huggins:he wasn't helping folks cross the borderm Jim traveled
Adam Huggins:extensively throughout southern Mexico and Guatemala during this
Adam Huggins:period, tapping into a network of churches that extended from
Adam Huggins:Latin America, north to the United States. The pastors of
Adam Huggins:these congregations took incredible risks to help
Adam Huggins:migrants on their way north. And in the process, they would vet
Adam Huggins:the migrants to make sure that they weren't unknowingly
Adam Huggins:sheltering people who had no legitimate claim to asylum. By
Adam Huggins:the time these folks actually reached the US border, the
Adam Huggins:Sanctuary network would be able to vouch for them as refugees,
Adam Huggins:regardless of the US government's intransigence on
Adam Huggins:the issue.
Adam Huggins:Later in this series, we'll critique this notion of
Adam Huggins:deserving refugees versus undeserving economic migrants.
Adam Huggins:But for Jim and the other sanctuary volunteers, it was
Adam Huggins:important that they took extreme care to make sure that sanctuary
Adam Huggins:volunteers weren't unknowingly doing the work of coyotes, or
Adam Huggins:other smuggling operations.
Adam Huggins:Another question, how did these churches organize themselves?
Adam Huggins:The answer is through lots of meetings and letters. The
Adam Huggins:horizontal structure of the Sanctuary Movement meant that no
Adam Huggins:one was in charge. And although John and Jim tended to act as
Adam Huggins:national spokespeople, each congregation functioned
Adam Huggins:voluntarily and autonomously. This sometimes led to issues
Adam Huggins:such as certain congregations wanting to politicize the
Adam Huggins:refugees they helped, by asking them to speak out against the
Adam Huggins:right wing governments of Latin America. Jim was strongly
Adam Huggins:against this politicization of sanctuary.
Jim Corbett:It was very firm with everyone here, that that
Jim Corbett:particular approach was one that was morally wrong, that it
Jim Corbett:really is wrong to deny people aid because they don't fit your
Jim Corbett:political purposes. It's wrong to pressure people into fitting
Jim Corbett:your political purposes, who are in desperate situations.
Adam Huggins:In Tucson, at least, Sanctuary would be
Adam Huggins:offered to asylum seekers, regardless of their political
Adam Huggins:orientation. At the time, this elevation of human life over
Adam Huggins:political expediency contrasted sharply with both US government,
Adam Huggins:and more ideological leftist groups and congregations.
Adam Huggins:But the question that I'd like to examine for the rest of this
Adam Huggins:episode, is how did the Sanctuary Movement choose to
Adam Huggins:justify its actions to the citizens and the government of
Adam Huggins:the United States?
John Fife:Well, when we finally in March of 1982, declared
John Fife:Southside Church's as Sanctuary for Central American refugees
John Fife:and received a mother father and two kids – two little kids – in
John Fife:publicly into the sanctuary of the church, I thought and Jim
John Fife:thought, at that point, that we were doing civil disobedience in
John Fife:the tradition of King and Gandhi and Thoreau, and going back to
John Fife:Moses's sister who hit him along the Nile to keep Pharaoh from
John Fife:killing all male children back there
Adam Huggins:Civil disobedience, as many of us are
Adam Huggins:taught in grade school, is a term popularized by 19th century
Adam Huggins:American author Henry David Thoreau. You know, the guy who
Adam Huggins:lived in a cabin on Walden Pond and went to prison for refusing
Adam Huggins:to pay his taxes.
John Fife:And so I talked about King and quoted Gandhi and went
John Fife:on and on when we did the public declaration of Sanctuary here.
John Fife:And about a month after we had done that, I get a call in my
John Fife:office, and this guy says, "I'm a human rights attorney from New
John Fife:York. And you've got to stop talking about civil
John Fife:disobedience. You're not doing civil disobedience." And I
John Fife:laughed, and I said, "What do you mean, the government says
John Fife:they're going to indict us any day now. They keep saying that,
John Fife:and I'm just sitting around waiting for the documents." And
John Fife:he said to me, "Listen, dummy." That's a direct quote, "you're
John Fife:not doing civil disobedience. It's the government that's doing
John Fife:civil disobedience. It's the government that's violating
John Fife:United States refugee law. So every time you talk about civil
John Fife:disobedience, people get it all mixed up. So stop it." And I
John Fife:said, "Oh, I think I understand. But what do we call what we're
John Fife:doing now?" And he said, "I don't know make it up." And so I
John Fife:went to Jim told him about the phone call. And he kind of
John Fife:smiled and came back about three or four days later, with this
John Fife:whole paper that he called on civil initiative.
Adam Huggins:In his essays on the topic, Jim converses with
Adam Huggins:Thoreau, Gandhi, and Hobbs to articulate a new paradigm for
Adam Huggins:radical justice. He called it civil initiative.
Goatwalking:Civil initiative maintains and extends the rule
Goatwalking:of law. Unlike civil disobedience, which breaks it,
Goatwalking:and civil obedience, which lets the government break it.
Adam Huggins:Civil initiative reframed the discussion, casting
Adam Huggins:the government as the one that was violating its own laws, and
Adam Huggins:higher laws as well.
Jim Corbett:Conventional civil disobedience would simply
Jim Corbett:concede to the government the destruction of the refugee laws
Jim Corbett:– that what was at stake was international human rights and
Jim Corbett:humanitarian law and the domestic refugee law. And that
Jim Corbett:it was very important not to take a traditional civil
Jim Corbett:disobedience approach. If we were going to save the laws,
Jim Corbett:because if when the government violates the law that way, and
Jim Corbett:is attacking it, you simply concede their legitimacy and say
Jim Corbett:that you're breaking the law, then that just does it in.
Jim Corbett:You're not going to save the law, any of the law at that
Jim Corbett:point.
Adam Huggins:This framing was crucial in convincing so many
Adam Huggins:people who would not otherwise engage in quote, unquote,
Adam Huggins:illegal behavior, to take up Jim's proposition of
Adam Huggins:collectively enacting US immigration law at the
Adam Huggins:grassroots level, even as the US government itself under the
Adam Huggins:Reagan administration violated it.
John Fife:I mean, it's one thing to go to Presbyterian
John Fife:churches or Catholic churches or Jewish synagogues and say, "we'd
John Fife:like you to join us in doing civil disobedience with all of
John Fife:the negative and risk aspects, that that would have entailed,"
John Fife:it's quite another thing to go to them and say "it's the
John Fife:government that's violating human rights and United States
John Fife:law. Join us in an active public resistance to government
John Fife:crimes." That puts a very different incentive and
John Fife:prospective for risk taking under those conditions. It meant
John Fife:we were able to build a movement quickly.
Adam Huggins:This movement, grounded in international human
Adam Huggins:rights law, US law, as it was written, and the divine laws of
Adam Huggins:the church, joined a long tradition of people, especially
Adam Huggins:Indigenous people and people of color, who had risked everything
Adam Huggins:to defy a US government, which, throughout time, has steadily
Adam Huggins:refused to live up to its own laws, principles, and founding
Adam Huggins:documents.
John Fife:Oh, sure, if you look back, you can make a clear case
John Fife:that Dr. King was not doing civil disobedience. He was doing
John Fife:civil initiative, as we understood it in our movement.
John Fife:You can go on and on and on throughout history and say, "no,
John Fife:no, that's not civil disobedience."
Adam Huggins:Today, when I think of mutual aid movements,
Adam Huggins:and so many people coming together to resist the wholesale
Adam Huggins:destruction of human and biological communities. I think
Adam Huggins:of the power of this reconceptualization of civil
Adam Huggins:disobedience to civil initiative. It acknowledges a
Adam Huggins:fundamental kind of work that we can only do when we act as a
Adam Huggins:community. Jim would later write:
Goatwalking:Individuals can resist injustice, but only
Goatwalking:community can do justice.
Adam Huggins:Of course, the US government acknowledges no
Adam Huggins:higher authority than its own, in practice. And it was only a
Adam Huggins:matter of time before Jim, John, and a number of other sanctuary
Adam Huggins:volunteers were brought to trial. The Sanctuary Movement
Adam Huggins:had been infiltrated, and covert tape recordings were made,
Adam Huggins:followed by charges. The judge was prejudiced and wouldn't
Adam Huggins:allow Jim and his co-defendants to present a defense at all –
Adam Huggins:ruling that no discussion of sanctuary or refugees would be
Adam Huggins:admitted. The story of the trial is fascinating, and has been
Adam Huggins:thoroughly documented in other media, including the 99%
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:several folks were convicted,
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:including John Fife, but Jim and others were found innocent, and
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:the charges were later overturned, or sentences
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:reduced. Ironically, Jim Corbett, the man that the
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:government had wanted most to convict, hadn't been in Tucson
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:when the government informit infiltrated the sanctuary
Invisible series. The outcome:
Speaker:network.
John Fife:He was spending all of his time border south to
John Fife:Central America, putting that part of the Underground Railroad
John Fife:together so we could get people safely out of Central American
John Fife:and to the border. And so they had no evidence against him. So
John Fife:that's why he was found innocent
Adam Huggins:In the end, what the trial served to do was to
Adam Huggins:strengthen the Sanctuary Movement, giving it a national
Adam Huggins:stage and the righteous narrative of the church standing
Adam Huggins:up to a tyrannical government. Sanctuary in this incarnation
Adam Huggins:would continue into the late 1980s, until the number of
Adam Huggins:refugees seeking asylum began to decrease. For Jim, the end of
Adam Huggins:the trial also signaled to him that he could finally start to
Adam Huggins:step back from Sanctuary work.
Jim Corbett:In some measure, I can, I think, now turn back to
Jim Corbett:the things that I choose to do. My agenda has been set by the
Jim Corbett:refugee situation, I wouldn't have simply chosen this out of
Jim Corbett:the various social concerns. If I have been choosing, and
Jim Corbett:environmental concerns and rediscovery of the Sabbath, are
Jim Corbett:some of the things that I am very interested in pursuing now,
Jim Corbett:I think I have the chance to attend to, I might even do a
Jim Corbett:new, revised, updated version of Goatwalking manuscripts.
Adam Huggins:This would be the time that Jim would finally
Adam Huggins:finish his first book, Goatwalking. But he also had a
Adam Huggins:new project in mind. One that spoke more to Aldo Leopold, than
Adam Huggins:to Henry David Thoreau.
Jim Corbett:And the whole development of the land ethic in
Jim Corbett:which there is protective, symbiotic community at work. So
Jim Corbett:that, I think my attitudes with regard to the refugees, the
Jim Corbett:reasons I took the course of action I did were very much
Jim Corbett:formed by this other broader attitude towards the fact that
Jim Corbett:human beings have an enormous responsibility to bring into
Jim Corbett:full, reflective consciousness that community that does exist
Jim Corbett:among all living things. That life is in fact among us rather
Jim Corbett:than in us. And that definitely has a bearing on my
Jim Corbett:understanding of what Sanctuary is. And Sanctuary in its
Jim Corbett:broadest sense extends far beyond Central America and
Jim Corbett:specific human refugees, to the need for a harmonious community
Jim Corbett:among all living things,
Adam Huggins:Extending Sanctuary to all life. That's
Adam Huggins:next time, in part three of Goatwalkar.
Adam Huggins:Goatwalker is produced by myself, Adam Huggins and Mendel
Adam Huggins:Skulski for Future Ecologies. Ilana Fonoriov is the Associate
Adam Huggins:Producer for the series. For photos, citations and more
Adam Huggins:information about the people and events described in this
Adam Huggins:episode, including some truly incredible photos of Jim from
Adam Huggins:the Sanctuary years. Please visit futureecologies.net.
Adam Huggins:In this episode, you heard Ann Russel, Tom Orum, John Fife, Pat
Adam Huggins:Corbett, Gary Paul Nabhan, Jim Corbett, and Miriam Davidson.
Adam Huggins:Narration was by Philip Buller
Adam Huggins:Music was by People with Bodies, Meteoric, Hidden Sky, and
Adam Huggins:Sunfish Moon Light. The Goatwalker theme is by Ryder
Adam Huggins:Thomas White, and Sunfish Moon Light. Special thanks to Theresa
Adam Huggins:Madison, Susan Tollefson, John Fife, Pat Corbett, Nancy
Adam Huggins:Ferguson, Tom Orum, Gary Paul Nabhan, Gita Bodner, Amanda
Adam Huggins:Howard and the University of Arizona, Sadie Couture, Phil
Adam Huggins:Buller and Danny Elmes
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Adam Huggins:and produced on the unceded, shared, and asserted territory
Adam Huggins:of the Penelakut, Hwlitsum, Lelum Sar Augh Ta Naogh, and
Adam Huggins:other Hul’qumi’num speaking peoples.