Ola.

Can you just pronounce your last name for me quickly?

Yeah.

Okay.

English pronunciation, it's all good.

I got you.

I'm glad, I'm glad I asked.

Yeah.

You wouldn't say that.

We got Ola.

We got Ola Walnut with us today.

That's fine.

You know, I, it's, it's.

Yeah, I've heard it a million times.

It's not a problem.

It's like, yeah, it's the, it's the, it's the Eastern European pronunciation.

No problem.

You can make it American.

No worries.

No worries.

All right.

Ola Volne is a woman who walks the path of old feminine wisdom and alchemy, deeply rooted in her cultural background and the teachings she has encountered throughout her life.

She doesn't consider herself a seeker or a researcher, terms she sees as overly left brained and ultimately misleading.

Through her work, Ola invites others into a collapsed field, a void where false narratives, illusions, and the architecture of the matrix, the dissolve.

She exposes these constructs and helps to erode their grip on our perception.

She's also a storyteller, a voice for forgotten history, still alive in folklore, mythology, indigenous accounts and ancient texts.

For the past eight years, Ola has lived in the Arctic where it was the spirit of the land itself that guided and initiated her revealing deep mysteries that she later found echoed in ancient texts and forbidden doctrines.

Ola, thank you so much for being here for the truth.

Thank you so much for having me.

My pleasure.

Looking forward to this tonight.

Yeah, absolutely.

No, it's, it's a pleasure to have you here and to host you, definitely.

One way we always like to begin these conversations with first time guests is we want to dive deep into your personal journey, your personal hero story.

What was kind of the trajectory of things that led to you, I guess, coming into the understanding and the interests that you have today.

Oh, wow.

I, well, I'm afraid that it's not going to be probably immensely interesting.

I don't really have spectacular journey to, to take you on.

I think that which is, which is maybe in a way promising because you see, I'm not going to, I'm not going to give an account of, you know, I've been like this forever and, and it's so special.

No, I actually was brainwashed into the matrix pretty much since I was a child.

I, I think, I think it's almost like I had two worlds kind of walking together, you know, one that was a little bit sort of on the edge, you know, looking across the veil, but the other was Very much rooted in, in this sort of false construct.

And I mean, school education, you know, kind of brainwashing about prestige status.

I come from Eastern Europe, so you, I don't know if you guys are aware, but, you know, I, I'm a child of the early 80s, so we carry a lot of the sort of inferiority complex, I would say, as a sort of generation, as the, as the whole population.

So, so, you know, we, we get very much programmed into success, prestige, status, you know, making, becoming something, making something out of yourself.

So that was pretty much my focus in, I would say, probably the first half of my life with education, you know, very heavy education and, and sort of a very strong pressure because my mom was actually the teacher at the school that I was attending.

So, you know, I had to be top notch at everything and I couldn't sneeze without the whole school knowing.

So, yeah, it's not, not, wasn't great.

But, you know, it kind of pushes you even more to be very much, I would say, immersed into the system, not in a fun way.

So I, I would say that, you know, somehow I, I managed to sort of get out of that construct.

I don't even know how and why.

I feel to this day that in a way I was ripped out of it.

I was kicked out of it.

I, I don't think I, I should, I should sort of be grateful to myself so much because I think that, you know, given my journey, I, I came here eight years ago.

That was part of my oil and gas path at the time because I, I worked in oil and gas for many, many years and it was just a progression to my career, you know, to, to come here and here is pretty much where I got kicked out, out of that whole world.

And I, I say kicked out because this is pretty much how it happened.

So I just kind of had no choice but at some point embrace a totally different path.

And, and, and it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't sort of out of lack of choice, you know, that I, that I started walking this.

But it was literally coming here was like a cat to, to be able to come out of the closet, if you know what I mean, you know, on that other stuff, on that kind of more esoteric stuff, because of course, when you, when you are.

I was, I was trained in engineering and I was working very much in, in the operations.

Very much kind of, you know, grounded left brain and, and very much kind of logical analytical aspects that, that were praised and rewarded and sought.

And here I am suddenly you know, pulling out of all that and, and stepping into totally different type of inquiry and spiritual aspects and, and I would say not, not really in a new age way, but in a, in a kind of very much indigenous way in a, in a sense because being here exposed me to very authentic, grounded, rooted in deep tradition of this land and this geography, history, traditions, culture, new information, certain aspects that I, I, I started later putting together.

And this is pretty much how, how my journey kind of, kind of happened.

And then you know, of course I think the last five years have been pretty, pretty significant for all of us.

So, so that would have probably pushed me, you know, to the, to the next level where I feel like perhaps I was kind of truly pushed and, and felt perhaps called to stop being silent.

So, so to kind of come out of hiding and start sharing some of it with, with people.

So this is pretty much what happens.

Yeah.

So for the, for those that don't know, you're living in the north of Norway right now, in the Arctic Circle, right?

That's right, yeah.

So what inspired that move and also what was it that led you to be inspired to research esotericism, alchemy, gnosticism, things, things like that?

Well, you see, so, so my, my background is oil and gas with even early, very early days in, in telecoms, but very much sort of engineering that kind of left brain side.

I, I have master's degree in, in, in this stuff, you know, from, from the uk.

I used to work in the UK and that was my, that was the beginning of my several years.

I got transferred to Norway, to the south of Norway and I spent another sort of five, six years down there and within that time you guys might have not remember, but sort of 2012, 2014, 2016, that was this whole oil and gas collapse at the time.

So a lot of, at least in Europe, so a lot of, a lot of companies were going through restructuring, etc.

And at the time my job was going back to the uk so I, I kind of had a choice either either I'm going back or I'm moving forward.

So I've decided I didn't at that point.

I, I had been living in Norway for five years, so I didn't really want to go back and I, I just decided to look for other opportunities.

And as it happened at the time opportunity presented itself here up north, where I am right now.

So I moved up here for oil and gas job.

It was in that context, it had nothing to do with any of the esoteric pursuits at the time.

You Know, I was, I was already, I would say, flirting, you know, that with that space through my personal aspects, but also through just being purely kind of drawn to certain things.

But it was definitely not navigating my experience at the time.

And so, so that's why I'm saying I feel like I've been lured up here, you know, in a, in a sort of funny way.

So, so, and because, and the reason I'm saying that it's, it's, it's really peculiar is because pretty much everything collapsed the minute I set foot up here.

So, so my whole oil and gas context just dismantled as I came here.

My job, you know, that, that kind of didn't work out exactly the way I thought it would.

And it sent me on a journey of, you know, who am I if not my job title?

Who am I if not that role that I was serving and that I was known for, because I was actually quite lucky to, to be able to, to make it a little bit up.

Well, that's what I thought, right?

The Pyram.

You want to climb the ladder.

That's, that's what we are taught and, and trained and programmed to do.

So that's what I was doing at the time and I called it success until a point when I realized that it doesn't matter anything, right?

It's, it's a matrix thing.

So that's, that's, that's how that happened, that this is how I found myself here.

And it was at that very moment when I got kicked out.

In a, in a sense by the circumstances, but by situation, out of that whole oil and gas matrix kind of career, etc.

Construct, I, I very much had almost no choice but to, you know, I had to rebuild myself because my whole identity was pretty much built around that job and, you know, that career and all that.

This is why I mentioned this context of coming from Eastern Europe.

This is what we're trained for, you know, because we have, we have roots.

We are rooted in this inferiority complex.

Perhaps not so much now, but like I say, you know, I, I was born in 1982.

That was, that was the time when we had martial law in Poland.

So all that kind of communistic context, you know, we were a little bit behind the curtain, behind the veil there.

So we had to very much, yeah, I think, fight our demons in a way, that kind of system programming from just the geography context.

And so, yeah, it was a lot of things to face when I found myself in that situation here.

And, and that sent me on that kind of more esoteric journey.

And you see, you, you read my bio, which might perhaps sound a little bit too mystical to some or kind of borderline a little bit too much.

But, but you see, I, I don't think I have ever had such a authentic experience with something so real in that spiritual context as I've had here, here at north here in Norway.

Because you see, there's no, there's no spiritual circles here.

There's no kind of new age here per se.

Everything that I'm talking about is literally living in people here.

It's living in the land.

There are also indigenous people or the, the kind of, the people of the, of the north, the Sami people.

This is not just Norway.

It's also Sweden and Finland and a little, a little bit of Russia.

So, so there is a lot of beautiful teachings in their culture that I've been also exposed to over, over time.

And, and that's, you know, my, my own personal experience and the, the, the path that I kind of had to take to even regain myself.

I get, you know, you know, find myself again that was.

Connect with these teachings and to get a lot of, I don't want to even say it, inspiration.

I think it was literally, it was a tower moment.

It was a collapse, you know, collapse of the false structures.

And in that, in that environment.

Yeah, I, I probably the engineer still worked in the background.

I needed answers.

You know, I, I like things to make sense.

I'm not about the fluff.

I'm about the, you know, show me the real deal.

So, so this is, this is, this is the journey I've been I on and because probably I am so still to a degree, you know, structure driven system driven in a, in a, in a sense how the architecture.

I needed to understand things.

So this is where astrology came in.

This is when numerology came in.

So I think I kind of a lot of, there was a lot of back door in there.

But I know very well from the beginning that I, I felt there's something off about the whole astrology, numerology.

As in, as in, you know, it shouldn't be like that.

I don't want mathematics to decide for me and my, my fate, you know, something's off.

So, so it was, it was this whole unraveling, it was path of a lot of unraveling, dismantling, collapsing.

A lot of the times, you know, my own discoveries would have been later shuttered.

And here I am now, you know, kind of every, every, at every gate you take off some clothes, right, which is precisely the, the journey that I often refer to.

The journey to the underworld.

Amazing.

God, there's so much in there I want to like kind of pull out and talk about.

Well, two things that popped into my head.

One is I love hearing you talk about how the people up there just live.

Yeah.

Quote unquote spiritual, spiritually like live these values because in our world especially I live in the Los Angeles area and then, you know, we see the rise of New Ageism.

I found personally the people that I consider the most centered and the most present and the most connected are the ones that are surrounded by nature and they have an intimate relationship to nature.

They're not sitting there going to moon circles every, every month.

And yes, I just love that you said that because I just feel like we've lost that to some degree.

You know, the deep connection to wisdom from the past because people just lived it.

You know.

The other thing I wanted to get into, and we'll see where this conversation goes, but engineering is pretty much a male dominated world.

Is that correct to some degree or.

No?

I, I would, I would say, you know, I, probably because I have been in that environment in oil and gas.

I've seen women and men, especially in Norway, especially in Norway because Norway is very sort of equal in, in many, in many aspects.

So I have seen a lot of women in this engineering field, traditional field.

But I, I see where you coming from and I would absolutely agree that it's, it's probably quite a male dominated and, and probably quite masculine, you know, in a sense of how you process things.

I, I'm not saying that women are not capable of that, but I, I do, I do agree that it's, you know, it's a lot of analysis, kind of logical aspects which I think women are perfect as, but it's not, it's not the kind of natural choice, probably.

Yes, agree.

Yeah.

Okay, cool.

I was just curious like how that impacts your work now and those experiences there, like the pros and cons of that and you can get into later if you want.

But those were things that just popped into my head.

No, and I, I think, to be honest with you, I think it's, it's, it's, it's quite funny that I, I have that background because I know that it's not, it's not the most usual background.

I think you find a lot of fluff in this field right when.

I'm sorry, but that's the truth.

When women show up, you know, there's a lot of.

Yeah, not that Much substance, always.

Right.

And, and I, and I think that the background kind of makes me cut through the nonsense, which is what I did.

I'm known for that.

Literally I struggled in England, you know, because I would be too direct for their liking.

So they, I had to adopt a little bit.

But I, I think, I think that the engineering approach, you know, right now and, and, and for the past many, well, several years, it's, it allowed me to be able to understand and explain pretty complex perhaps things in a, in a language that's, that's quite, quite clear and understandable.

So, so that's, that, that's my major takeaway.

And I, and I difficult to take off that engineering lens.

And I don't think I should be always necessarily taking it off because I think that in the current world people are very much about understanding things.

You know, there's too much nonsense out there.

So, so things need to make sense to a degree.

So I think there is a lot of value in being able to actually explain and sort of break things down into the.

Yeah.

Atoms even further.

Yeah, well, I mean, I guess let's kind of dive a little bit into the crux of things here.

You obviously have quite unique and unusual take on the system of astrology, its purpose, its reason for existence.

So where do we kind of start unpicking your perspective on astrology?

That's a good point.

And I think it's, I think it's very important that I do explain the reason behind it because as you've noticed, astrology in the mainstream, understanding or concept is used as a tool of growth and it's kind of hijacked in a sense that there's plenty of people that have, have no idea what astrology truly is about.

And I'm not talking about the interpretations within astrology.

That's another level.

Yeah, that's another level.

We're not going to be even going into that because that's irrelevant right now.

But what astrology represents, that's the issue because astrology is considered quite a benevolent tool or perhaps concept in a sense that there is an evolutionary aspect to it that this is the way we can grow.

And I think the whole concept, the whole concept around it is, is not only false, but it's dangerous.

So, so you see, my, I would say that probably astrology, numerology would be one of those things that I was into since I was a child.

And that's absolutely.

That, that goes back a long, long way.

But, and I would, and I would, you know, I would of course study it.

From all sorts of different angles.

But I always felt that there is something inherently wrong about the idea that you can collapse someone's life, someone's future into a mathematical function.

Because that's effectively what we're talking about, right?

I mean, this is a language of symbols, mathematics, language of symbols.

So, so the fact that you can, you can somehow track in a mathematical way with a, with precision someone's choices, someone's experiences, someone's traumas, someone's future.

So why, where is it written?

And, and if, and if it's written, even if it's written and if you can trace it, why isn't it, why isn't it positive?

Why is it, why is it not only positive?

So, so the presence of the negative aspects within our experience was that I would say, you know, the, the sort of the launchpad for me to be able to dive deeper into.

Something's not right.

Something's not right.

And when you, when you marry that with studying the ancient text, especially through the Gnosticism, Hermetic texts, but, but anything, the Bible itself, right, there's plenty, there's abundance of texts.

The, the Mesopotamian, the Sumerian text, the, the mythology, for example, the Norse mythology, beautiful, abundant in, in content that precisely explains what we are dealing with.

And it is not a benevolent force.

So, so mythologies, and they are consistent across the board, across geographies are referring to a construct above us created by forces that are absolutely not looking out for our greatest good, quite parasitic forces.

So echoing the messages of David Icke here, but not only.

Plenty of people talk about it out there.

A construct in which our emotional states, our energy is being harvested and there is a literally a construct that is very, very advanced technolog that has been put up above us whereby, you know, this is, this is, this is where this whole notion of permanent comes from.

Permanence is just a part of it, right?

It's just a part of that whole construct.

Because the construct as it happens.

What, how does it work?

I don't exactly know.

The technology is very advanced.

But we do know that it kind of places a lens on the energy of constellations, the whole constellations up in the air, up in the sky or however that really looks, the planets or whatever they really are.

But there is some kind of lens applied which filters the energy and it sends it across to the, to us as the receivers, as the, as the kind of ones that are being targeted for this energy harvesting in a certain way, which unfortunately dictates our experience here.

And that the mechanics of that can be interpreted using astrology, numerology and many other systems which probably effectively are still rooted back in astrology numerology.

There are systems based on the tarot, for example, but they are falling back on the numerology of the date of birth, etc or the name.

So, so, so there is a code.

Literally it's a little bit like a computer, right?

The, there's a way to communicate with a computer.

You, you kind of, you can ask, you can send commands and, and it answers, gives you, it gives you answers.

But because there's a system in place, there's a system, there's a code, there is a mathematical representation of something that's being done here.

And because these parasitic beings that are behind creating this architecture happens to be very much dependent on technology, very hard, very advanced technology, of course they are using codes.

So of course there's going to be an element of sort of mathematical coding in it.

That's probably would be the way into astrology from my side, from my way.

How did you get to the conclusion that there is a firmament?

How do you know?

I've never been up there.

Sure.

That's my only question.

Yeah, well, the presence of permanent is described in every cosmology of every culture.

I'm not just talking the ancient texts.

I'm talking the ancient cultures.

I'm talking the, the Maya, the Inca.

I'm talking the cultures in India.

I'm talking Navajo people, right?

The Hopi for example.

All of them in their cosmology, in their mythology, in their, in their legends, referring to, to a structure above us.

So that the whole cosmology as, as they explain.

And, and then you find that across the board, you find that here in the Norse mythology, you, you find the same, the same sort of notion repeated, right?

In the Bible, for example, the way the world was created, the firman and is mentioned there.

But that's not the only place, right?

You, you go to, to Egypt and you see the goddess Nut, right?

Not Nut, extended as the, as the sky.

That's the permanent.

You, you see that through the ancient text, you see that very, very strongly.

It's, it's literally, it's, it's named in the Gnostic text, it's named in Pistis Sophia, for example.

Pistis Sophia, the Gnostic text, Sophia explains the exact architecture above us.

So it, it, not only, it's not only the, the permanent, but it also explains the zodiac mechanisms, it kind the, the levels and, and how that works, how, how is that all organized.

So, so, you know, as I, as I always say when you, when you know what you're looking for and you, you kind of know how to interpret these texts.

And mind you, we're not looking for some heavy symbology.

We're not looking for a language that is very sort of convoluted.

No, not at all.

It's pretty much, I would say, the same level of clarity as you get in the Bible.

Is there any information in these texts that say how this was created?

Because, and also, what is this place?

Because, you know, in today's world we have so much back and forth on what the shape of the earth is, which I tend to agree with you.

I've heard you say this before.

I don't really, I personally don't care about the specifics of it.

I think it's a curious investigation and people are afraid to go down that, that.

But like, how was something like this created?

Yeah, and what was here before?

Right.

So, so I think, I think that we have to sort of distinguish two aspects here.

First of all, the creation of this place, as it is referred to in a lot of texts such as the Bible does not actually refer to the original creation of this place.

The Bible and a lot of mythologies refer to creation.

Remember that the, the ancient text, the, the, a lot of scriptures, they've been tampered with, they've been tampered with to reflect the accepted history by those that want to write that history.

Right.

So the history is written by the winners, not by the losers.

So, so, so we, we know a pretty biased version, right?

As in, as in, you almost need to know, to be able to read those texts so that you know what you're navigating through.

So, so we are dealing with two different, I would say sort of context here.

One, one is referring to creation, but that's this, that's, that's not a creation.

This is referring to an event where these parasites, these beings impose their structure here and they called it creation of the world.

This is, this is precisely what's described in the Bible.

For example, this is what's described in the Gnostic texts.

In, in, for example, PC Sophia describes the, the whole structure.

This is not the original structure of this realm or this is not, this is not what was here before.

And then we have this other aspect.

What was it before?

How, you know, how did this happen?

And the Sumerian tablets, which is of course the, the translation of these tablets is, is one of the biggest challenge in, in, in, in, in history and, and sort of trying to, to decipher what, what really happened.

But, but the galactic stories talk about this, this place being created being kind of very special.

This was one of the last landings after the galactic wars.

As in what when we look up in the sky and not named because they really have these shapes.

They are named because they're trying to tell a story and they're trying to tell a story of what happened before.

So, so for example, you know, the, the fact that we have one constellation sort of being invaded and that's been represented in mythology.

The, the story is that we as, as in the Earth was created as the sort of, of final solace or escape place following these galactic wars.

And so the beings that came here and in the end created the permanent and these structures.

They have been fighting these galactic wars up there and everywhere else earlier.

So, so you might be thinking, you know, do I think there are planets and all that?

You know what?

I don't think we have the capacity perhaps to perceive or understand what is in there.

What I absolutely do believe is that you need a portal to enter reality here.

As in you don't just take a spaceship and you land here from somewhere.

No, I know that there are portals, for example.

You know, if you, if you really want to dig into why there were wars in Iraq, why there is always conflict around Jerusalem and you know, the Gaza Strip, right.

That, that area, why there is always an issue there.

Why Saddam Hussein.

Right.

What were they trying to do and why they were truly invaded by Americans.

Get nothing to do even with oil, had nothing to do with terrorism.

Nothing of that kind.

That was just a cover up story.

But what's really underneath there?

There are.

They had access to certain technology.

They had access to portals.

They had access to, to portals which were the way in and out of this realm of this reality.

So, so how do you travel across?

Well, you don't take a, you don't just take a spaceship and you just go.

You know how they show us on sci fi movies?

You, you, you kind of need an entry and exit point.

So, so, so.

And perhaps it is above us in a, in a way, but it is not as in you take a journey for, you know, hundreds of years.

No.

So, so again we're kind of dealing with two, two different contexts here.

And say this.

I, I would say that, you know, the best, the best thing to know, to understand what happened here.

Look to Avatar, the first movie, the first Avatar movie.

It's not a, it's not, it's not a, it's not a sci fi movie.

It's a documentary of course they flipped the, you know, the roles, right?

So we have the humans attacking the, the blue people.

But if you really want to know what this place was, this is why we have the petrified trees.

Why, why do we have giant petrified trees?

Because they've been cut down.

Why do we, why do we have, you know, a place that clearly shows remnants of totally different civilizations that was here and here we are picking up the pieces.

Right?

So, so okay, yeah, let's, let's kind of, I guess double click on a few points here.

Who, who are these parasitic beings and why did they come and I guess shift and transform and create this construct that we, we, that you're claiming we now live in?

I guess.

And are they trapped here too?

Yeah.

Are they trapped here as well?

I'm curious.

So, so again, a few, few things to unpack.

Who are they?

Well, they are, there's a hierarchy to them, right?

We're not dealing with one sort of set of beings, we're dealing with different types of beings.

According to the Sumerian tablet, we are dealing with intruders from the Draco constellation.

So, so the Draco's, the Reptilians.

Yeah.

In that, in that language, that's what we call them.

What do we call them in different geographies?

Well, we could call them gods in different geographies in different mythologies we call them gods, but these are the same beings.

So whether we call them the gods of the Norse mythology.

Right, right, that's the same beings.

Because, because think about it.

In every mythology we kind of have two fractions that are usually fighting each other.

So in the Norse mythology, we have the, the gods and we have the giants, the Jotun in, in the Hindu, we have the gods and we have the demons.

We have the Asuras in Sumerian mythology or in Sumerian history, right, we have, we have the Anunnaki, but we have the males, we have the Anu Enlil Marduk and we have Tiamat fighting Tiamat.

So, so there are those two sort of forces always fighting.

And, and, and, and also when you, when you travel to Egypt or to any of the sites, you start seeing the physicality of them, right?

Those statues are still there.

They are much bigger than us.

Not all of them are literally physically looking like the Reptilians that we can imagine.

But because there are different races, there are different types that were involved there.

Sumerian tablets described that.

So, so the, they were the ones, they were the aggressors once upon a time who started the galactic Wars.

And the, the point behind it, according to the, the old alchemical teachings, was that the males in those races at some point decided to separate or, or that was the.

That was the result, separation from their females because they wanted to pursue that path of domination, hegemony, sort of aggression.

They wanted, they wanted to start creating their own worlds.

And the females, the females, when they saw that, they said, no, no, we're not going to participate in that.

This is, this is a game.

Life, females always are standing on the side of life.

This is against life.

We're not going to participate in that.

So because males do not have the ability to create, right?

Woman is the one who births.

Woman is the one who materializes things into reality.

A concept once upon a time, very well understood.

But these days, people don't even know.

Everything has been collapsed to a very narrow band.

And, and people don't even, don't even understand how, how this used to you.

How this used to be.

So, so the males knew that for them, in order to pursue that plan, they had to find females to create so that they could create through them.

This is what, this is the, this is the genesis, if you like, of the galactic war.

So they were chasing, they were, they were chasing after the females from the Pleiades, So the Taurus constellation.

They were chasing after Sirius, after Lyra, after different constellations.

This is what we know today as the mythology of the sky.

And then after these wars sort of took their time.

The females were, according to the stories, they escaped and created the Earth.

So they wanted to escape.

And this is why the Earth is kind of quite special, because this is the last landing.

This is the, this is the last place of solace.

They came here and they created this place.

And I, and mind you, I don't know if it's flat, if it's round.

I don't know.

I don't know even where it is in terms of orientation to the rest of the cosmos.

I don't know whether, whether we are in some kind of cosmos or what does it look like?

I don't, I don't think it's that necessary.

Of course, we can be interested and we can inquire, but I don't think it's that necessary to, to, to, you know, the answer would change so much.

I, I think we know that we've been.

That's good enough.

But this, this realm was created and then these parasites sort of track down or, or trace down the, the females, the, the essence, that essence of, of feminine, creative force down to, to this realm.

And this is where, yeah, the, the war sort of played out further.

So that was the context.

This is what we, as the, for example, the Maduk against the Tiamat, right?

This female, the, the female creative force.

And not just force, it's a being against her own kind even.

And then the males kind of overtake.

So, so, so the, the permanent and, and that whole bubble, as I call it, because I, I, I quite see it as like, like a capsule.

Like we have been, been kind of, you know, captured into a capsule.

We're living under the dome.

We're living inside of some kind of chamber.

Why?

Well, because, because this is how they can run their plan.

This is the only way in which they can create their own reality and feed off of it.

In that process, they fully.

What does it mean to disconnect from the feminine?

It means unfortunately, that, that over time they have been sort of falling deeper and deeper into these low vibrational energies.

And, and we know that, right?

All they feed off is fear, is depression, is rage, anger, lowest vibrational content.

And they need to keep producing that.

This needs to be produced.

This world is clearly not full of amazing sort of vibrations.

It is, it is, it is full of suffering.

There's plenty of, you know, look at us, right?

Just because we are more conscious doesn't mean that it's so much better for us, right?

It's, it's still the grind.

It's.

You have to keep running.

You have to be the hamster on the wheel.

Don't get any time to think about yourself.

And there is the fear that if you don't do that, then you're gonna lose your, your house, you're gonna lose all your means to, to live with that creates a certain environment.

It creates, creates everything that it needs to, creates the conditions for fear and low vibrational emotions, right?

Especially for those who are totally unaware.

They just think that, well, life is hard, right?

Life is tough.

Why do we have so much trauma?

Why do we have all these difficult childhoods, right?

Everybody with a difficult childhood, everybody had something that they have to overcome as they, as they grow up.

None of that is an accident.

Not, that's by design.

Everything here is by design.

Literally that.

Sue, because that's the fool food.

Lush, right?

That's the, that's the food.

So, so this is, this is why they created this like a farm, right?

Like Eden, the farm.

But is it, is it possible like you're referencing the firmament, references across different ancient cultures and texts.

But is it possible they were just referencing the Sky.

They were just referencing the band of stars.

Like how is it so easy to draw the conclusion that it is a physical dome that we're encapsulated within?

Like we know that, that they used imagery to express themselves in various ways.

When we see these, these arcs or these beings or these gods being a firmament type shape, like is it not possible that we're just referring to the sky?

I mean, you know, but what is the sky and what is the dome, right?

I, I, I don't really care how we call it.

I just, I just see.

But I mean, if it's a sky, then we're not imprisoned, we're not encapsulated.

If it is a giant, just the sky that they were pointing towards with some kind of symbology.

I don't think we're necessarily dealing with a physical, you know, I don't think it's relevant whether it's physical, whether it's glass, whether it's, you know, steel or whether it's a step in dimensions.

I don't think that's, that's really the, the sort of key here.

I don't think it changes the fact that there is a mechanism of control over us, us which we, which we see the, the very works of, but we also know about it because the story of that is coded not just in mythology and ancient texts, it's called it in legends, it's coded in verbal, in oral tradition, right?

It's, it's coded in fairy tales.

So, so how is it possible that you know, all that contains not only a story that you know, there's a sky and it's nice, but it contains a, a much deeper story that, that unfortunately is, is not very benevolent.

Right.

It contains references to, and it's consistent, it's consistent across the board that something is happening.

And, and then on top of that, as I always say, look at, look at your life, not just your, look at, across the board, right?

Look at this world.

If, if everything is just so random, then why aren't we living a great life?

How many of us want a bad life?

Clearly there is somebody that benefits from us constantly living in a low vibrational state.

So when you marry all that together and including when you, when you, you know, marry that with the indigenous cultures, prophecies or, or, or sort of stories about this world and what it is, everything is very consistent and everything is talking the same language, the same story.

So this is how we know.

Yeah, well, I mean, I'm going to engage a little bit, I guess.

I personally feel Like, I live a great life.

I think your ass must feel the same way.

I think much of our audience does as well.

That's not to negate that there's definitely suffering that exists.

But at what point does this diminish human responsibility and the choices that we make in terms of the life that we, we end up living and experiencing?

Sure, I could have taken a life of being on a hamster wheel never having time to be self aware or to observe myself and to think deeper, to contemplate deeper.

But I made certain choices in my life which kind of allowed me to have the space to do so.

So I'm just curious where human personal responsibility falls into this paradigm for you.

It doesn't, it doesn't absolutely strip humans of responsibility.

You know, if anything, I always say that, that, you know, we, we, we sort of tend to blame everything on the Matrix.

Matrix this, Matrix that.

But Matrix is not how, how do I say it?

I like to say Matrix is inside of us, not outside of us.

Right?

So, so, so it's not, it's not what they did to us.

Because what they did to us, even if they did to us, that was long time ago.

Every single day, every single one of us chooses to engage in that, chooses to engage in, in those programs, chooses to engage in that kind of world.

So, and mind you, you know, I know what you mean that, you know, you say you're living a great life and you know, I, I'm not, I'm not having a bad life either.

But, but that's, that's kind of not, not the point that, you know, we are able to navigate to, to, to a good degree.

Right.

I think that a lot of people who starting to see something more, you know, they, yeah, there is, there is an element of, of becoming more conscious and that has some good consequences.

But there's plenty of people, you know, there's plenty of circumstances which are just not accidental.

You know, if, if you, if you think about it, where is the suffering in this world coming from?

Why do we have wars?

We don't have wars because people of one country decided to go against people of another country.

Nobody decides that.

Yeah, that's not decided at this level.

It's decided at a totally different level.

And it's decided strategically for certain reasons.

Why, you know, why do we have children that are being killed in rituals?

Why do we, why does that even happen?

Right?

Where is the, where does it go?

What happens with that?

This is not, you know, are we, are we as humans?

Is that normal?

That, that's not normal.

This is not normal.

So, so where is all that coming from?

Right?

And when you look a little bit deeper into that in a context of, you know, this world, we could all have a great life, but the law is not even designed for that to, to, to allow that to support it.

Why not?

Why is the law not, you know, why is the, why do we even have money that everybody needs to be chasing?

And I understand that, you know, many of us might be a little bit more, perhaps, I don't know, tuned in about how to, how to, how to navigate with that, but there's plenty of people, majority of the world are living in poverty.

Why is that?

Why is that, you know, if, if life is so great and I'm not stripping it from sort of personal responsibility, but I'm just saying, you know, I, I'm sure you've been around the world to, to many places.

Yeah.

And there are, there are places where people are disadvantaged.

Why, why, why can't there be, you know, abundance for everybody?

And I'm not talking utopia.

Everything is by design here.

Things are by design.

Things don't have to be the way they are.

Yeah.

I don't discount that there's forces of control by any means whatsoever and that there's interference and inter, and intervention.

And I'm kind of just having the discussion for the sake of the discussion because I want to get as much of the juice out of this as possible, for sure.

And it's like, what role does, I guess, the spiritual evolution of humanity play in this?

Are we just at a stage of human evolution where man is still asleep?

In many ways there is so much unconsciousness that pervades throughout humanity and throughout the planet.

And, and is it, is it the potential that the wars that we see and the poverty and the suffering is, can also just be an emanation of that sleepiness of man, of that unconsciousness, you know, just to, I guess, throw another factor in there potentially.

Well, you know, when you, when you look into history, right.

Over time, it wasn't the fact that we were uneducated or that we, we didn't have, have sort of certain level of consciousness that, that, that was responsible for poverty.

Because, because actually right now we have very advanced level of, well, everything, technology, right, means of producing things, etc, but the poverty is very, very high and very, very common.

But back in the day when people were actually living more sort of closer to the land.

I'm not saying that they were very rich, but I'm.

Because, because again, rich, rich and being Rich is a matrix concept, right?

Rich as in What, I own 10 yachts that I don't need.

It's that, that's not rich.

I'm talking about integrity, dignity.

Right, Dignity.

So, so people could actually live.

They could own things.

The, the things were truly there.

They could put food on the table.

You know, maybe from our perspective it wasn't much because we are used to owning, having, but that's matrix progress.

This is amazing.

Again, this is back to what I was saying, right.

You have to become someone, you have to mean something.

But I'm just saying that, you know, we are the most advanced.

Well, so we think right.

Right now, but we kind of went backwards.

But do you think, do you think there's an element of over idealizing the past there?

Because like, I mean, what about feudalism?

What about slavery?

What about the thousands and millions of people that lived in servitude?

Much of which which even though there is a lot of suffering that takes place today, you know, I guess with the rise of individualism.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

But where does slavery come from?

You know, who came up with slavery?

Right.

Where.

Back to pyramid structure.

And you know, where the pyramids are, who build the pyramids.

Right.

The pyramids are not just pyramids.

They're not just something that you want to visit because it's ancient.

Pyramids are physical, but they are also a manifestation.

This is, that, is that reptilian ideology of classes, of levels.

You know, you have to climb the ladder, you have to become something.

So, so the, the ladder structure, the, the, the, the pyramid structure, the fact that there was slavery, slavery meant there are better and there are worse.

There are people that are above and there are people that are below, which is precisely coming from the pyramid mentality.

And that is not our original mentality.

And I absolutely agree with you that there is an element of ownership in us.

Absolutely.

And until today I always say, you know, there's not going to be any judgment day.

There's not going to be any ostracism that is going to bring these beings.

And now we're going to be, you know, if.

Right.

I mean, of course I understand that you're still kind of investigating whether that's even, that's even holds water.

I understand.

But I'm just saying that even, even in my world.

Yeah.

Nobody's gonna do that.

Yeah.

Nobody's gonna bring anybody and, and hold them responsible.

The responsibility is in, in us.

In us for engaging in us.

For living according to a paradigm that they have once pushed.

That's not ours.

That does not serve humanity.

These are reptilian codes.

These are reptilian codes of dominance and servitude.

These are reptilian codes of povert.

Worse.

You're below me, I'm above you.

These are, these are not our codes.

So why do we apply them in our home?

Because that's true.

Right?

There's.

I don't care.

We don't have to look outside.

We.

We have to look inside of our own homes, right?

How much violence is there?

How much abuse is there?

And even without that abuse, there is still a lot of programs that are running that are not ours originally to begin with.

With.

They're not ours.

You mentioned spirituality.

Aren't we that evolved?

Or should we be more evolved or, or, you know, is, is, is this not good enough?

Well, do we really need evolving spiritually or is that also a program of this matrix that we need to be evolving?

Or perhaps we should be collapsing.

We should be collapsing the very false architecture that we have walk.

What kind of architecture?

The architecture that, yeah, pulls people out of their own natural element and tells them to go and seek prestige status.

Tells them that we are not equal.

I have to be better than you.

That kind of.

The programs, the programs of religions, the programs of, you know, this whole false matrix stands on, on the fact that somebody is better than somebody else.

Else.

And you need to buy into that.

But it, it buys into the fact that, well, ethics, morals are also serving this matrix so that you behave and you're gonna be rewarded for certain behaviors mostly within the very construct that is keeping you and controlling you.

So, so I'm asking you, you know, why, why can't people entertain that, that perhaps this, the way we are living.

And I'm, I'm not just talking the, you know, the fact that we have all these super, I don't know, houses, etc, cars.

I'm not, I'm not talking about that.

I'm just saying why can't we entertain the idea that this world is not our world?

This is not, this is not reality that human nature is, is really built for.

And, and you see, this is, this is very common when I, when I have these conversations with women.

It's what they say, it's what they bring to me.

They say, you know, I'm tired.

I'm tired of this world.

I'm tired of the fact that whatever I do, it's just never the carrot always, you know, is, is, is fleeting from me.

Yeah, there is.

Sorry.

I'll say.

What is the difference then between these, the women that come to you and they're like, I'm tired.

I'm tired.

To the women that are like, I love my life, I love my partner, I love my children.

Like, what's the difference?

Have they collapsed?

Have they collapsed more?

No, they don't.

They don't.

It's, it's not about that.

They don't love their children and they don't love their partners.

They love their children.

Partners, but they can see through the illusion.

No, I get it.

I'm not saying, I wasn't saying that those people that come to you don't love their children.

I'm just saying saying the women that come to you that see through the illusion that I'm tired and like, everything I do and it doesn't work.

But then there are people who see through the illusion that are content in their life and have lovely families and do work that inspires them.

So what's the difference?

I, but I, I think you're, you're kind of creating a sort of two groups that I, I, I don't, I don't really see that there is a group that's coming to me that's, I don't know, unfulfilled or unhappy.

I, I'm just saying people are seeing through the illusion.

That's what I'm saying, that there are a lot of women that are saying that they are seeing, they are starting to see that we have been sold.

Because, you know, what you're talking about being, you know, content and, and all that very often is rooted in being very much plugged into this very matrix.

Right?

It's, and, and, and, and there's a lot of people and, and I, I specifically work a lot with women.

So this is why I mentioned women.

They will come to me and they starting to see that, you know, I, what, what we have walked so far away from our original sort of nature and literally, physically nature.

There's a window behind me, so that's what I'm showing.

And literally, nature, it, it's, I think it's the same journey that I've been through when I came here.

You know, I, I got kicked out of oil and gas.

When I was plugged into oil and gas, I also had a great life.

I had, I have a great life now as well.

But it's a totally different life.

Life.

It's a totally different life.

I was, I wasn't talking about the women that are content that are plugged into the 9 to 5 matrix.

I'm talking about women that live close to the land Nature, maybe they're homesteading or whatever the case may, they've already seen through the illusion and then created a life that, where they feel happy and fulfilled or, or connected.

That's, that's what I'm talking about there.

Like, I'm just trying to figure out like, what is, like, we all live in this world and yet some people don't feel like we're imprisoned, and then other people feel like we're imprisoned.

Prison.

Because I don't, I don't think it's about, you know, knowing that we're in prison doesn't mean that you have to live a bad life, right?

That's the whole point.

You have to know that you're in prison so that you can start sort of getting out of the prison.

Right?

You're not going to get out of the prison if you don't know that you're in prison.

So, so my point is.

Well, look, I, I, I'm still in my own process of whether or not I believe that we're completely imprisoned and that there's something preventing us from leaving.

Not that I'm saying I want to leave, but, but what, what, what do.

You mean by leaving?

Well, I'm just saying that I don't know if I believe 100%.

Well, I believe in power structures and that there are people that are controlling us.

I agree with you there, but I don't have at the base root of my belief system that I'm imprisoned, therefore I need to do certain things.

Things.

My belief system is I have the gift of life.

I want to make the most of it.

So there's a difference there, in my opinion.

Yeah, but of course, you know this.

If we, if we look at it in a, in a sort of deeper, esoteric ways, right, Then there is this whole notion of, okay, what does freedom, what, what is freedom?

What does freedom truly look like?

Right?

And, and I guess, I guess the point is, you know, how much of the program is, do you know, that is still just the programming.

It, it might be compelling.

It gives us a great life.

You know, if we are talking in those kind of in, in this way, right?

Then we can say, okay, so if there is a billionaire, then he's living even a greater life, right?

He doesn't have a clue about Matrix.

He doesn't have a clue about this life.

He has all the money in this world.

So, so, you know, he must be having a great life.

Well, many of them aren't, though.

I don't think all billionaires are living a great life.

So I don't.

Yeah, but just to just, you know, just to.

What I'm just trying to, to, to do is just to show that I don't think, I don't think necessarily having a great life or saying that somebody's having a great life is truly, is truly sort of grasping the, the idea of what this matrix does to you.

You.

I don't think, I don't think a per, a person might, might say that.

You know, I, I'm, I'm live, I'm homeschooling my kids, I'm living on a farm.

I'm, I'm cultivating my own produce and I'm eating healthy.

So yeah, and I'm, and I'm great.

But that still doesn't necessarily mean that you have gotten to the very core to that.

So that, so that deeper kind of level, level, where do they, do they still got you?

Are they still, are they still kind of, you know, keeping a hold on you?

And I know that you say, well, I don't believe it's any them, so I don't care.

Well, yeah, but you know, then it's this whole debate, you know, is, is that, does it even matter?

Right?

Does it even matter?

Know the truth or not?

But does that eventually feel like something that you know, despite how much work you do, despite how fulfilled you feel, feel then it can kind of just be used.

Oh, but you still haven't gotten to the root of it.

You still haven't understood the base root of reality.

Like, it feels like a potential, another carrot that you can never grasp, you can never catch.

Like, where can someone just be like, wow, I exist.

I'm grateful for my life, I'm living on purpose.

I filled it up, I feel excited, I got healthy relationships.

And it's like, when, when, when can that be enough in this paradigm?

No, it's, it's not.

That's, that's.

I think what you, what you've described about this kind of never ending work.

Work, I absolutely don't advocate any work.

That's, that's very kind of psychology based.

And, and you said that person still doesn't grasp the truth of it.

So like, what do you call that if, if you're saying this person maybe still hasn't gotten to the root of it, what do you call that if not work?

Well, it's not, it's not really work.

It's the awareness.

It's the, it's the truth, you know.

Isn't there work to build awareness?

Isn't that work to get somewhere not really.

Because when, you know, when five years ago ago.

Not, not, not in my mind.

Because when five years ago the, you know, this whole nonsense started, which of course you are aware of.

Right.

With the COVID and, and the vaccines later, etc.

Some people knew immediately or very quickly.

Right.

That this is all a hoax, this is all a lie.

And some did not and some do not until now.

Right.

So, so you see the fact that some people knew from the beginning, from all walks of life that it was a hoax, was not really a result of some work that they did to get to that point, that now they finally see that it's a hoax.

It was like this.

It's a resonance.

It's the truth.

It's, it's, it's something that you either are there or some of the people still don't know what happened happened.

Right.

I, I agree with you.

There's work that needs to be done.

I agree with you.

And I think there are those people that they just knew and there are people that I've spent 10 to 15, 20, 30 years studying the power, global structures that we've been talking about here.

Yeah.

So they understood that this was part of the plan.

So there was work that got them to that place.

So how do you differentiate?

You know, there's some people who just go, maybe some people grew up in communistic countries, you know, like in Eastern Europe, Europe.

There are many people I know in this country who haven't done any of the work, but they grew up in Eastern Europe and say they saw what happened in their lands.

And so when it was coming to the U.S.

they were like, nah, I know I've seen this before.

So is part of life experience part of the work?

Not really because, you know, I, I come from Poland and there's a lot of people, including my family, right, My own family, who have been living in Poland for all these years and they have this kind of post communistic and pre communistic, you know, mentality and they still don't know what happened.

Right?

They still, they still, they still.

But that's what I'm saying is that like, like we can't, how do we know it's work or it's just awareness.

There's so many different.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't think it's work.

I don't think it's work because you have, you have people who, you know, claim to have been.

I don't really care hear about anyone saying that they've been doing some research or they've Been at something for 20 years, 50 years.

It doesn't matter because there are doctors that have been doing their degrees for 40 years and they believed in covet.

Right?

So.

So the work, this.

But there's different types of research and work as well.

I mean, you know, there's.

Those doctors have been specifically indoctrinated to believe in covert.

Like it's the exact opposites of.

Of the work that we're referencing.

Yeah, but my point is that it's not the work.

That.

What is the work?

What is the work?

You know, what is the work that takes your consciousness there?

That it's.

Did you know astrology was a cult when you were a kid, when you were.

When you were studying astrology?

Or did you take.

Did you study to get to a point to understand this stuff?

Like, this is what I'm just trying to say.

Like, don't we.

Like you didn't just come up with the stuff that you teach about and talk about now.

Like, it.

It didn't just come to you.

You went through a process, right?

You did work to get to it.

Yeah, sure, but I went through.

I went through a process, but it wasn't the result of me learning more and more astrology that I suddenly realized that it's all, you know, a part of this matrix.

It was.

It's.

There's something about the consciousness.

There's something about.

I think it's not about work, which is.

Which feels like, you know, you need to do more.

You need to do more.

Actually, I feel that you have to strip more.

More.

You have to.

You have to collapse.

I think we're having a semantics game here about what work is.

That's what I'm thinking.

I think there's just like a disconnect here.

Like, I'm not saying work is like, oh, I gotta do and do more.

Like, I think work.

A lot of the work is what you just said.

Collapsing, dissolving away, deconditioning.

So I don't think maybe there's just a disconnect in how we're viewing the word work, but I could be wrong.

I mean, okay, okay, let's.

Let's take that.

But you see, I don't think that.

That I understood or realized what I did about astrology because I have been studying or toying with astrology for 20 years.

I think I understood what's going on.

It was very much.

It was very much, I think, fed by the context of the last five years.

As in.

As in literally something happened.

Something happened, right.

Five years ago when all this started it.

Some of us instantly knew and some, and the rest didn't.

So around that time, pretty much around the same time I put together, I sort of collected the, the, the, the dots on the astrology, numerology on the permanent etc, everything just fell in place.

So I don't, and, and some of, some of the things that also fell in place I had not been looking into since I was a child.

I, I, I, I just, you know, I kind of, I, they just, they just, they just happen to, to come in flying later.

So I don't, I don't think that everything is a result of some work because I agree with you.

I agree they're not doing any work.

Yeah, I, I don't disagree with that.

I just, it's hard for me to just say 100%, it's no work for anyone.

You know what I mean?

Like, people come to realization in different ways.

Like to, to paint every single person in their process as having to just have to come from awareness and not put any effort or energy or work into it where they come to that awareness.

What is work?

Well, I mean for example, someone who had a vaccine injured child in 2015 and experienced devastation in their home, then spent the next five years studying vaccines.

Then 2020 comes along and they're like oh shit, what's all the research they did between 2015 and 2020?

Yeah, but you know that it wasn't those people, that it wasn't like that kind of people were the majority that knew that this is a hoax, that that's, that's not who it was.

Those people that knew that it was a hoax had probably nothing to do with vaccines or, or it was not ex.

Based on experience.

It was not based on.

I have experienced this and now I have learned.

Learned.

It was just like you just knew.

Right.

Well anyways, we can keep going around in circles with this, this part of it because it's hard, it's hard to know like I don't know everyone.

I haven't lined up, let's say 500 million people of the total population that knew it was a hoax.

I don't know how many people knew it was a hoax to find out why they knew it was a hoax.

Yeah, I was, I was just giving an example of what is work like what you call the research that that person did because they tried to understand why their child was, is autistic who's experiencing a certain, like that's like what is.

It's just a word.

It feels like it's just A word that there's an agenda against here.

Like, to me, that's work.

That person, they experienced an extremely challenging, traumatic thing, and they engage deeply to try to understand a thing.

You know, like, I hear what you're saying, but.

But, you know, from what I have understood over the past five years, and I've been talking to a lot of people.

I've been engaged in many groups on Facebook, talking to people.

People on many, many interviews as well, and people sort of commenting about it and.

And writing.

Me personally, of course, I did not speak with 500 million people, but there is a consistency.

I have probably hardly ever heard a story that I knew what was going on, because I have seen, you know, I.

I have educated myself.

I have always heard from people.

I mean, they just knew.

Our entire audience pretty much is human beings who educated themselves about vaccines pre 2000 2020.

Our entire audience.

I can speak for probably at least over 70, 80, I would say.

Okay, well, my experience has been that people.

Yeah, and so.

And so the answer is that it's not absolute.

So then the answer is that it's not absolute then.

Right?

Or the answer is that your audience is very specific.

Maybe these are people that are.

I don't know, into.

Into finding things through educating themselves rather than.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I don't be beyond my audience.

I'm talking about over the last however many years being in this world.

But even in the last five years, my wife and I were hosting gatherings, bringing people together because we live in Southern California, and from a political standpoint, things were different.

The majority of the people that would come that found us weren't.

Weren't just people that just woke up one day in 2020 and said.

And said, oh, I'm not doing this now.

There were.

There were definitely people.

People, but I wouldn't say the majority.

The majority of people that were hip to the control structures that we've been talking about this entire episode, they weren't just like, oh, I'm a banker and an accountant, and then, poof, I'm not getting the vaccine.

That.

That's just.

As well.

The vaccine was not the first thing that showed up in 2020.

The first thing that showed up was the whole bakery.

Right.

So, yes.

So I'm just questioning that.

If somebody, a year and a half is still making a decision based on the fact that they looked into vaccines not being safe, then I.

I'm gonna question if they ever knew from the beginning what was going on.

I said vaccine to symbolize Covid.

I wasn't meaning exactly 1.1 years into 2020.

But there are people who, when covet happened, they weren't just like, poof, I'm not taking, I'm not gonna go along with it.

Most, a lot of people I know didn't.

Did.

Most people I know did.

And the ones that didn't, I'd love to say the majority of them would just realize it out of the blue and had not done zero research into any of the control structures.

But that's just not the case.

So again, we just have different probably demographics of people we're interacting with.

Probably.

I want to get more into astrology and the, the, the cult of astrology.

Like, how do you explain people that have gotten a lot of value from astrology or numerology that has allowed them to, I don't know, understand themselves more?

Well, I think, I think it's, you know, a critical thing is to understand what's a value because, because there's a lot of people out there that think that understanding themselves is actually changing something and it's not.

Understanding you can be, understanding you can be going to therapy.

And that's why people are in therapy for many, many years years, because they are understanding their wounds.

They are recycling the narrative.

But that is not actually fixing anything.

And this is, this is, this is where we come into the crux of it.

That, that understanding on its own knowing, bringing something to your awareness is not, it's not fixing anything.

What fixes.

What fixes things?

Well, what, what fixes things?

That's, that's a good, that's a good point.

And then this is why I asked you earlier, what is worse?

Work.

What is work and what is it about?

Because I thought you meant it in, in this context that people are doing something to like heal themselves or fix themselves.

And, and what if I, what if I told you that the whole concept is just false?

That let's just say it's false?

Well, let's say it's false.

Then how does a person live?

Well, a person, A person lives.

And, and for example, if you look to the indigenous people, right, of every culture, there was never a therapy there.

Nobody was going to therapy and nobody was going to any kind of courses and, and methods and, and modalities.

But there was a shaman and, and what they were interested in is the soul.

So they, the work was done at the soul level, never at the subconscious level level or consciousness level.

There was never any talk about what happened, how do you feel, etc, which is only rein.

Whatever you, you already dealing with it Is not, it is not stripping anything.

It is not fixing anything.

So, so back in, in those cultures, the people were working or they understood that something needs to happen at the, at the soul level.

Something needs to happen at the totally.

It.

You cannot fix the system from inside of the system.

You have to kind of step outside of it.

So how would they communicate, though?

Don't you have to have some level of the mental world?

Because how are they communicating to one another?

Communicating?

What?

Like if you went to see a shaman, did you just stand there and, and then the shaman did things to you?

Like how, how, how did a person receive support from a shaman?

Well, for example, the person would go to a shaman and they would say that they are feeling, I don't know, disconnected from themselves or whatever.

They.

They feeling they are struggling.

Something in their life is showing that, that things are not.

Not running the, the way it.

It was before.

Or something is.

Just seems to be showing up for them in, in some shape and form which is destructive to them.

And actually there would be no conversation with the, with the shaman because.

Because the soul work doesn't work at that level.

The shamanic work would be about the shaman going outside of the, of that mental construct.

The mental concept of let's talk about it.

That's not what shaman does.

So shaman would take a journey, right?

The shaman's mute.

Like, there's no communication at all going on between the shaman and the person who's going and sharing about their feelings and what's going on.

They're not sharing about their feelings.

They're not sharing about their feelings.

You just said they were.

No, I just said.

No, you just said.

You just said they would go to the shaman and tell them how they're feeling.

Feeling and what's going on.

Oh, they wouldn't tell them how they're feeling.

They would tell them why they came there.

So they're coming, for example, because they, they feel something is off.

That's enough for a shaman.

Something is off with me.

I feel disconnected from myself or whatever.

Everything in my life is going wrong.

That's the level of conversation.

That's all I'm saying is you just said the word feel.

So I'm saying they're sharing the feelings.

What's going on?

That's.

I'm just trying to mirror back the, the languaging that's happening here.

No, because you're trying to.

It feels like you're trying to tell me that shaman was run therapy and shaman was not running any therapy.

Nobody needed to be talking about feelings.

Because that's not how you fix things.

The, the, the, the feeling.

To talk about feelings.

Therapeutic kind of setting is actually.

This is why people sit in those therapies for years.

I agree with, I agree with that.

I agree with that.

I was just countering the fact that there was the words feelings going on and then you said there was no feelings.

So there's language because the feelings are irrelevant.

Very often you would just show up to the shop shaman and, and, and because you, you, that was the only person that you would go to when you felt something is off.

You don't have to tell your story because it doesn't make any difference because the shaman is not working with what you tell him.

The shaman is working on a totally different level and in a totally different aspect field.

Right.

Which is the shaman goes into a journey.

Why?

Because, because the, the work that he needs to do is not with your conscious construct.

So it's irrelevant what you tell him him.

What you tell him is just a symptom of what is happening on a totally different level.

And this is precisely how the work used to be done back in the day.

But not just shaman is, is a, is the kind of aftermath of feminine alchemy, which was much, much sort of older tradition.

But since we, we, we're talking about the, the shamanic aspects here.

Here.

Yeah.

The shaman knew that whatever you feel, for example, you could be feeling that.

I don't know, people are.

Feel blocked because something's not happening in their life.

They feel.

So they go to, to therapy, they talk about it.

Right.

And then they are spending their months, years.

Not much is happening.

But, but the shaman is not interested in the symptoms, in what you tell because it's irrelevant.

That's the story that you tell yourself very often.

Right.

The shaman is going after the fact that something inside of you, that integral part of you, which is what they call the soul, perhaps became disconnected from or, or there's a fragment that went missing.

Something.

The wholeness has been lost.

The wholeness in your system has been lost.

So, so shamans, why is it the shaman?

Because, because the healing does not happen in this realm.

This realm is not when it can where it can happen as in, in this reality.

This is why most modalities fail.

It's a feel good factor.

You might spend some money and you might feel like okay, it better be bringing some results.

So you talk yourself into results.

But in reality in your life, not necessarily an effect, but.

Right, but the shamans operates outside of that reality because we know from these teachings that what is truly responsible for your experience and how, what's going on in sort of this reality is at a totally different level, which is the soul level.

So the shaman would take a journey to go find you find you find that piece that went missing.

Missing and bring it, bring it back and seal it into wholeness.

No condensation is required because whatever is happening in your consciousness is just a symptom of what happened at that deeper level.

So the healing's coming from outside of you, not within you.

Like the shaman's the one doing the healing and the person, the shaman would.

Facilitate for, for the indigenous people, some of the healing.

But absolutely.

As for the alchemical teachings, the be the person, the person should have been and, and used to be capable of doing that themselves.

So, so yeah, in, in alchemical tradition, a person would, Every, every person would be able to do that journey.

So.

But yeah, yeah, no, I hear you.

I'm, I'm loving this conversation.

So in today's world, people that say don't work with a shaman or someone who operates like a shaman is, is all that work meaningless?

Like, or work.

I don't want to say the word work, but those experiences they're having, if they're doing nervous system work or you know, other forms of, of quote unquote work to help them alchemize, transmute things, understand things and, and I don't know, love themselves more and, and live better lives or maybe help spend, see through more illusions.

Is that, is that not meaningful?

Like, or like what, like what are the modern day shamans?

And, and how do you think people in this world can improve or remember?

Again, I'm trying to figure out the.

Language and what if I said that a lot of what we see or a lot of what's been sold to us as some kind of healing modality, it's, it's.

I agree with you.

I agree.

So much of the stuff out there is.

But some isn't.

Yeah, and, and, and it's not.

And it relates differently to, let's say, how shamans did things in the past.

Like are we all supposed to.

What's going to improve our world?

Like how, how, what's your solution to, to whatever's happening right now?

You know, we live in this prison and we're being harvested for lo.

Where do we go from here?

You might have missed the question.

You're asos, but Ola asked you some.

So what, what methodologies isn't.

Yeah.

I think the more we connect to our soma, our body and sensations and less conscious languaging and just understand what's happening in our body from a sensation level.

You know, this is pre.

Verbal language can support us.

Yeah, absolutely.

And I agree with that, but that's not a method.

I, I thought you meant like there is some kind of, you know, we mentioned therapy, but there's no, there's somatic.

There's somatic practices experiencing.

There's many different modalities out there.

My wife has her PhD.

Not that that matters.

She's trained in different non mainstream modalities that focus on your essence and your sensation and your body.

It's not about like, oh my God, my dad left me when I was four.

And then you just keep saying the same thing over and over again.

There's a lot of stuff out there.

You may, you may not be aware of it.

I don't mean to be condescending.

You may just not be aware of it because, because you're in your world, in your bubble and what you've experienced the last five years.

There's a whole world.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying that like, I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know what you know.

Like the stuff you talk about, the things I've watched about feminine alchemy, it's amazing.

It's incredible.

I don't know it.

And so I just feel like there's so much knowledge and wisdom out there that support people.

I think it's kind of arrogant for anyone, myself or, or yourself or Joel to, to just kind of like immediately be like, oh, there's nothing out there.

There like all that stuff is.

This is not for me to be judging if there is nothing out there.

You've asked me, you invited me to speak about the teachings of feminine line.

And I'm.

That's what I'm saying.

I'm telling you about the teachings of the feminine line.

Teachings of the feminine line are very specifically explaining that there is a lot of things out there that are constructs of this matrix.

And even though when you think you were bypassing or you were are, you're, you're sort of not dealing, you're really going deep.

You are still operating with the mind.

You're dealing with the mind.

You're, you're not bypassing the subconscious or anything like that.

You're actually still dealing with the, with the subconscious.

And, and they still become programs and methods.

Feminine alchemy actually teaching about the fact that our perfect health and there's no need to, to get agitated here that our perfect health is written within our DNA.

We don't need any methods.

We don't need any, nothing, nothing external is actually needed.

What's needed is that we come back to our full DNA activation, which is not a method in itself.

Again, it's not like some kind of special, you know, protocol for activating a DNA.

Absolutely not.

But, but perfect health, as you might imagine, is actually written in our DNA and it's sitting in the part of DNA that the science today calls, calls the junk.

So we have only so many percent that are supposedly operational or even useful and the rest of it is just junk sitting there.

Well, you know, there's, there's no, no, no need to get defensive.

But I'm, I'm here to represent certain, which is what you invited me for.

So I'm just, Of course we're having a passionate conversation like we don't have to agree on everything.

So if, if someone disagreeing with you is defensive, then that's your take.

That being said, what is feminine alchemy?

Let's get into that a little bit, if you're open to.

Well, feminine alchemy is the.

Probably the best way to explain it is the, is the full capacity of a, it's feminine alchemy, so.

Of a woman's hormonal system.

As it happens, women are created in a, in a way whereby.

Why we have a different hormonal system than, than men for a variety of reasons.

We, not just the hormonal system, but of course also the physical body.

The, the presence of the womb, the presence of certain organs that are within a woman for certain functions.

We have been over time exposed to the fact that women are, are only kind of capable in, in distinction to a man.

Right.

Of giving birth to a child.

And, and maybe they are not as, I don't know, strong as a man, but physically.

But actually there is a whole sort of spectrum of abilities that a woman, a woman's body and, and a woman through her is able to deliver purely based on a function of her hormonal system, the full capacity of the hormonal system.

This is why we're talking about alchemy.

So the full capacity of a hormonal system is a function of activation of the rest of the DNA.

So the DNA.

Why do we have DNA that's junk?

I mean that.

Is it junk or hasn't been branded as junk?

Right.

That doesn't really.

Why would something in our body be redundant?

Just junk sitting there.

And it's actually 90% of it do.

You think early, early man, man slash woman was genetically manipulated by these, you know, so called gods?

Well, I don't think there was anything such as early man or not.

Not in a context of some kind.

Of.

You know, primitive like, like kind of monkey type of.

That's a lie.

Right?

So not, not in that context.

But yes, that there's been a manipulation and I think this is exactly what we're living with.

But the manipulation was not to evolve.

The manipulation was to devolve.

Right.

It was to, to shut us down.

This is why what we're looking at, what, what the scientists are looking at in our bodies, they say, oh, this is junk, this is inactive.

It's just sitting there.

Well, as it happens, it has its function, but it's been disabled.

It's been through the, what you just mentioned, the genetic interventions.

It has been kind of switched off.

Yeah.

So the question is, so what's in there?

So if it's been switched off and it's just deactivated, but it's sitting there, but it's not active.

So what's in there?

And that's what precisely feminine alchemy tells us very, very abundantly.

What's in there?

Well, what's in there is perfect health.

What's in there is the, the fact that the body regenerates itself, meaning death becomes a true choice.

As in you choose the point, you choose the point.

And we also know from history, from, from historical accounts that back in the day, yeah, there are, there are deaths that were chosen as in people decided to go and lay down rather than, and leave this realm rather than death as a result of diminishing capacity of the, of the body.

What's also written in there.

And course of, of course it kind of differs but for, for women specifically is profenogenesis.

So, so profanesis is not a myth.

It's, it is present in, in our makeup.

So, so parthenogenesis, like being impregnated by spirit or, or.

Well, not by, or not, not, not.

Non, non, non physical.

Like you don't need man and semen to.

Pregnant.

Yeah.

Yes.

So profanogenesis is the capacity of a woman to become pregnant without participation of a male.

Right.

So, so, so this is.

But yeah, I mean, made a reference to the Holy Spirit.

But yeah.

That is what in the Bible, right.

The, the Immaculate Conception.

That's.

It is, it is precisely referring to this because, because that aspect, all those aspects that we're talking about are written and they are in a woman.

They are connected to so called alchemical Aspect of a virgin.

Virgin.

This is why Mary mother or Mary mother of Jesus was, is always referred to in the Bible.

Virgin Mary.

Virgin Mary.

It's a title, it's an alchemical title.

It's not a physiological sort of state.

It's a, it's a title.

So, but back, you see, the reason I want to sort of go back to the, the healing and the, the perfect health, not healing, but the perfect health is because in our very DNA we hold the whole sort of design to replicate, to replenish, to rejuvenate, and also to reject anything that is not.

How to say, sort of, sort of maybe not compatible, but that, that doesn't support.

Right.

Our sort of best interest.

If you like, think about it as a, I always make that comparison.

Think about it as a woman who is pregnant, pregnant with a child that's inside of her.

Right?

And there is an umbilical cord that connects them right through the placenta between the baby and the mother.

So the, the mother never needs to think what does she need to now feed the baby or, you know, what kind of nutrients or minerals or whatever she needs to send in there.

And the baby never prays to her and never asks her, can you please take this out?

Can you give me more of that?

Everything is, is this beautiful alchemical, intelligent design.

Everything happens to sustain, not just sustain life, but to optimize, maximize.

Right.

The experience for this baby.

So, so, so this mother is suddenly.

The woman that's pregnant is suddenly capable of.

Very often she goes, she undergoes some nice processes herself, right.

Things get replenished in that woman.

So what, what kind of, what was activating there?

Right.

But also, also she, she nourishes the child.

So our DNA happens to kind of act.

And this is reflected in the Hindu teachings as well.

It's almost like there is.

This should be this invisible cord, invisible thread connecting us to like a galactic womb, like a cosmic womb or the earth womb.

Also kind of, they, they literally, they, they talk about it being mean, a cord, like a umbilical cord.

So as if we were to be constantly replenished by some kind of force.

Yeah, like a cosmic force, cosmic womb, something like that.

It's a, it's, it's a way of describing it.

But the point is it's your DNA that holds that.

So when you say to me that, you know, why, what's the problem with healing?

Healing works.

What?

Well, alchemy actually tells us you don't need any healing.

Any healing system outside of you is a, a false kind of system because you have everything written in your design.

So the problem is not to find a healing and a healer and a healing system.

The problem is why is your DNA not activated?

How to activate, right?

How to, how to activate is a bit new agey, but just how to, to regain that connection to the rest of the DNA.

How to bring it on stream, right, so that, so that it can, so that you can actually use it.

Utilize it, right?

And that's precisely what the alchemical teachings tell us.

And, and the, and the teachings talk about specifically the DNA part is linked to the virgin aspect, and the virgin aspect is linked to purity.

Purity not in a sexual sense or.

Yeah, not, not, not, not.

It's not about that.

Purity as in purity of the, of the grail, of the vessel.

And the purity specifically in the alchemical sense is linked to certain emotions or lack of those emotions that should be the case.

And it's, it's, it's to do with the lowest vibrational emotions emotions, the shame and guilt.

Guilt.

Yeah, yeah.

So, so you see the.

Now you, now you can kind of see how it all comes together.

That in this world, very often since we are children, right, and then throughout life we are exposed to being shamed and feel guilty like, like it's been poured into us very often since we're children, that shame and guilt in all sorts of forms, right.

I was talking, I had a.

Consultations very often with, with ladies that sort of, you know, share some, some personal stories and, and, and some of them, you know, experienced for example, some kind of level of sexual abuse or physical abuse.

And they say, and they all say, all of them as children, right?

As children.

And all of they say that.

All of them say that, that when that was happening, they felt too ashamed to tell someone.

So, so this is.

And of course that can happen to men as well, but I just happen to have more contact with women.

But you know, the point is that this is so ingrained in us, right, since we are children, that this shame and guilt just enters the body like a plague like parasite and it sits there and it happens to be the lowest vibrations.

And as it happens, the, the way they designed it, they'll hate.

The way way this works is that if you hold that those low vibrational emotions like shame and guilt, they are, sorry, it's my cat making an entrance.

They are, they are, they are sort of filling, filling the vessel with lead because we're talking alchemy, lead as in, you know, like, like the chemical element, but of course it's not the Chemical element.

But alchemically we would say lead, the heavy, heavy element.

And, and when we carry that inside of us, inside of the heart, inside of the womb, you know, it, it disconnects that ability for the DNA to keep sort of activating.

This is why.

What, what else is in the DNA?

So I, I'll give you a real example.

In the DNA, it's also ability to connect across within our world with other realms such as being able to see, see other beings, maybe elves, maybe dwarves, and look at children.

Right.

Especially the younger children.

And I know that we say, oh this is imaginary, friend, but very often they see, they are able to perceive.

Why?

Because their DNA is not yet loaded with all that length, all that heaviness.

Right.

But unfortunately, as they grow older, as they are more exposed to, to.

Well, to, to culture.

Yeah, to the culture, to programming, to negative experiences, etc, it's.

It unfortunately they start storing especially that nobody teaches how to get rid of it.

Yeah.

How.

What do you do with it?

How do you, how do you.

Or just how do you protect the child not to be exposed to that which was pretty much what the culture.

Let me, let me ask you this question, Ola.

So say there's an individual, individual that grows up and they realize that they're experiencing lots of shame and guilt.

Say they decide to engage with some kind of modality, whether it be a nervous system practitioner or deep somatic work or deep whatever, and they feel like a shift and a release of that shame and guilt and they feel, they feel more whole.

Is that like just a false paradigm for that person?

Or how would you, what would be your commentary on someone moving through shame and guilt?

I can't, you know, I can't comment moment to, to a situation that we are just.

Yeah.

Hypothetical.

Okay, so beyond hypothetical, like people do release shame and guilt.

They do move through these things and they do engage with certain modalities and come to a place of feeling more.

More whole.

So like what, like what is your perspective on what's happening in that situation?

Or is it, is it just that that's.

I don't, Yeah.

I don't know if they truly release something or they say that they release or they hope that they release.

I've had people coming to my readings, for example, and tell me, can I tell them what works?

Because they've been through everything and they thought they released it.

But then you know, a half a year later or whatever situation happened and it, and it's back and it's still there and nothing, nothing happens.

So I Think, you know, I, I don't wanna, I don't wanna say this is, I don't think this conversation is about denying, you know, people's experience.

I, I think I'm just trying to, to say that, you know, what, what the teachings are trying to tell us is to, is actually very simple.

It doesn't need any methods, it doesn't need any super, you know, therapies, etc, and you know, think about it also in a context of, Even in Africa, right?

Maybe.

Yeah.

And not just Africa.

Here at Norfolk as well.

People, we have lost a lot of wisdom about the most simple things that, that help us.

We have.

And, and you know, we, we want some convoluted strategies and, and, and modalities because it kind of feels like, you know, If I invest $200 or $500, then there must be a return on the investment.

Right?

But, but sometimes it's actually nature that really does wonders for us.

For example, with you, I, I, I, I think we are in most of the world, but especially in the Western world, we are disconnected from nature, we're disconnected from community.

We were disconnected from a lot of stuff.

A lot of that stuff is what prevents whatever shit's happening in the body, adaptations in the body, trauma.

People are isolated in the west and that is its own problem.

And like I said before, a lot of stuff out there, there, a lot of modalities are scams.

And so I, I agree, I think we're speaking a similar language there and I, I think we need to return back to how we lived.

And I'm not saying we all have to go live in the woods.

We, we just have to, we, we have to have a, a, a, I don't know, an awareness of, an understanding of why we've gone off path.

Yeah, absolutely.

And you see what, what, what I mean also by nature and you know, since we dive in deep, let's go all in.

You guys can cut it out later.

If it's.

We, we, we're here for the truth, we're here for conversations.

We're here, we're not going to agree in everything.

We're individual human beings.

Like, like I think we live in a world where people are like, oh no, I just have to share what I share.

You can't disagree with me.

I'm not saying.

You're saying that I love this.

I'm Greek.

I like passion and energy and let's get into it.

So let's go.

Okay, well then let's do it.

Well, you decide later.

But you see, my, my Point is, is that when.

When it kind of comes down to the.

The nature.

Yeah.

Because we often talk about nature and people think, I'll take a walk.

It's nature walk is not enough.

Yeah.

Even with bare feet.

That's just.

That's.

Again, that's new age dressed up in a little bit more, you know, grounded practices.

No, what.

What people used to do back in the day, and they still do that until now in some places is, for example.

Example.

Okay, let's go there.

Why do we not pour.

As women.

As women.

Why don't we pour our menstrual blood on the ground, as in on the grass outside anymore.

Women used to do that, and I'm gonna tell you why.

Why men and women do not go with their physiological needs.

Meets sometimes, at least I understand.

We all have beautiful houses.

But, you know, I'm gonna tell you why.

Why you don't go outside.

I'm gonna explain why.

You're saying, just to be clear for the audience, why don't we have sex or in nature.

Is that.

Was that what we're trying to say?

Or have sex.

I was trying to talk about.

I was trying to talk about peeing, actually.

In my trees all the time.

I thought you meant you're talking about women in menstrual blood and then going out.

Men and women with their needs.

I thought you were talking about having.

Sex, but maybe that's that too.

But you see, what I.

What I'm after.

What I'm after is the secretions.

Yes, yes.

After.

Here is the substances from your body.

That.

Why are they no longer shared with the earth?

And I'm gonna.

I'm a gardener.

I pee in my trees all the time.

So I get what you're saying.

Sounds good.

You see, maybe this is why you have a great life.

Because the thing is that we have.

Have cut the.

Sort of cut the cord.

Yeah.

The cord has been cut between us and the earth.

The.

The womb or whatever you want to call it, the cosmic.

The.

The.

The.

The earth one.

And that's.

That's not esoteric.

This is why I'm.

I'm always liking to.

To walk sort of to, you know, the engineering side as well, not just the esoteric.

So.

So the point is when.

When you pour the blood, especially for women, when they pour the blood, obviously the menstrual blood on the.

On the ground, that blood contains your DNA, it contains your stem cells, it contains your material that feeds the information into the ground.

You work with the earth.

Right.

You say you plant things.

Yeah.

I like, I like planting.

Right.

You probably know that if you take seeds.

Yeah.

When before you plant them and you put them out.

Exactly.

Put them in your mouth.

Mouth.

What happens?

I mean I'm encoding something about me into the seeds.

I don't know the exact details.

I haven't delved into it deeply.

Exactly.

So.

So back from where I'm from.

Right.

Women would do that because the, the, the plant is going to later read your DNA and it also reads kind of from your, you know, codes in there, what you need and, and what needs kind of specifically what it needs to build itself into.

Right.

So there's an information.

It's not, it's an information.

So when you pour that blood into the ground, it's an information, it's an information that you send down.

You, you are rebuilding this connection.

You're sending an information down about what you need.

Not just in terms of like health wise.

You send an information.

It's, it's your whole, it's your whole code because you, your, your destiny.

As in your plan.

Not the God's plan, not the plan of this astrology or numerology, but your plan, you know, is written in your DNA.

So why isn't it active?

Why isn't it running?

Why can you come to a reading to me and I'm going to tell you things about you.

I shouldn't be able to.

I shouldn't be able to.

We should be, you know, you should be like the fool in the tarot, right?

It should be everything and anything.

Anything.

Not something that I can diagnose.

I shouldn't be able to.

So to activate that whole kind of, you know, plan, if you like, to activate to, to.

To bring back the loop.

Because we need the loop.

We don't have the loop.

So the information is trying to come to us, but it doesn't find us because there's no input.

We don't, we don't say, this is what I need.

Let me show you.

Let me give you my DNA.

People in Africa, they still do that.

They still do that.

You know, animals, right?

Animals are all the time in nature.

They walk in nature, they sleep, they.

They do everything but they leave their DNA in the nature.

It's a little bit different from us, but with us, look what happened.

We got closed into cities, into concrete buildings, right into plastic, whatever, cars, etc, metal all.

It's nothing is nature anymore.

We do not even understand the cycle of information.

We do not even understand that when we go into the nature and we leave our imprints, we leave Our literally secretions.

Those secretions will be red.

They will.

It's, it's like homeopathy, right?

You don't need to be pouring your guts out there.

It's.

A little bit is enough.

Right.

So, so, so literally, you leave an information.

I know it sounds ridiculous, but if it does, then think and put.

I don't think it sounds ridiculous.

I don't think it sounds ridiculous.

I think.

And I know, I know, I know some women that are hip to leaving their menstrual gr.

Blood on the ground, sometimes it can come through the New age lens, which is a little bit much, but, but it's okay, you know, they're.

Yeah, it can.

But, you know, it's, it's, it's not meant to be ritualistic.

This is not a ritual.

You don't have to dance in a white skirt around it.

You just do it.

Nobody needs to know.

Nobody needs you just do it.

Don't talk about it, you know?

You mean you don't need, you don't have to videotape yourself and post it on Instagram while you're doing it?

I, I happen not to do that.

Yeah.

So, so I, I, I think you see, this is, this is that part that has been hijacked by the New age, by all these kind of healing modalities.

Everything has been changed into the theatrics.

Right, Right.

The nature, which is there to work with you is available.

But, but there's been theatrics done around it.

Right.

We have been again, pushed back into a studio to do things in, in a sort of environment that's clinical, that's not out there, that's not connected.

And people tell me, well, I, I love nature.

I go for walks.

Yeah, but you go for walks.

You go for hiking.

Hikes.

That, that's not, that's, that's, that's recreational versus a deep relationship with nature.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And, and you see, when I think back about myself since I came here, and like I said, everything kind of collapsed upon arrival and I had to bring myself together, and I, I did.

At the time, that was like, we're going back seven, eight years.

Right.

I did a lot of things I, from therapy that I actually had to do because I had to kind of play around, around, play along with the system a little bit.

It was kind of part of how I was playing things out at the time, like a regular therapy, you know, that didn't do anything that was annoying me because it was just making me angry.

There was nothing coming out of it.

But There was other things, there were other things that I was doing as well and I thought at the time they were also working.

But what I was mostly drawn to is literally take my car and go for a drive, go out out and sit by the, by the ocean.

And this is how, you know what Joel read at the beginning, right when you were reading the, the sort of few lines about me when I say that I, it was the spirit of the land.

It was something in that nature that suddenly spoke to me in, in, in many ways.

Suddenly I literally started going through, through some kind of process of, you know, undoing myself and, and overcoming everything that, that I don't think any of these other modalities even touched.

And at the end when I kind of came out and, and I was in the, I was totally different person.

I thought, okay, let's sit down and let's write what, what happens so that I can maybe, you know, tell other people right, what to do.

And I realized over, because I couldn't really actually couldn't quite put my finger on it and I realized over time that it was none of the modalities.

They were, they were a feel good factor.

It's, you know, because I was, I was at the time being told certain things, you know, given hope, etc.

But the, the, the kind of reconstruction of me happened through that contact and, and that kind of feedback and rebuilding this connection.

That's true, meaningful.

Not some kind of high tech working with not just the nature, but it's the spirit.

This is conscious.

This is not, you know, this is not the rock, right?

This is, this is not just a mountain and just a tree.

There is consciousness there.

And when you tune back into that, which is precisely what the indigenous people and the old cultures, I mean we are all indigenous, right?

We are all indigenous.

We are all, at some point, some generation, we all would have been living in, in that way right back, back up the tree.

As in, as in I don't know, 200, 500 years ago.

We are all sort of in our lineage we have that.

So that's, that's what makes the difference.

That's what makes the difference.

And that's, and it's not just the nature.

Because you see with the DNA, when I mentioned that the shame and yield is blocking the DNA from activating.

There are energies, literally the sun, the sun is activating the sun.

The energies that the sun is bringing in also Venus and, and, and other stars are literally trying to activate that they are working on the DNA, they are passing certain energies.

But the problem is when we are holding all this guilt and shame and we are walking and, and, and you know, getting even more and more of that programming and, and all other emotions.

It's, it's very difficult.

It's very heavy.

It's very difficult to, to activate when you are walking, you know, clustered with, with, with all this stuff on, on top of you.

I love it real quickly because I know we're going over time, but I just, I know you talk about this and I'd love to just touch on it.

The Venus Moon, Moon, like the differences and your views on the Moon, because I know the moon is, is a symbol for so much in like women's circles and, and woman healing.

So I'd love to just hear your point of view on that before we go, if you're okay going a little extra time.

Yeah, sure, absolutely.

So, so, you know, again, I, I would ask everybody because I think a lot of things that we believe in and we go by, we just go by because we walked into something and it was already there, right?

Like the Moon.

Most women, if you ask them, like why do you worship the Moon is not because she was born with worshiping the Moon.

She walked into it at some point, right?

Mostly through the new age.

She, she kind of, she was exposed to it.

She heard about it from, from YouTube or she, she heard about it from some circle and she.

Seeking that kind of spiritual exposure and ritual, some kind of ceremony, she became part of it.

But if you actually look a little bit deeper into, into it, in a lot of mythologies, the Moon is masculine and the Moon is not representing the feminine.

It's masculine.

The, the sun is feminine, not the Moon.

And that's.

So that's, that's even a quick check into, into mythology and history.

History.

But if you, if you dig a little bit deeper, then Venus starts showing up and, and the fact that Venus has been so degraded and diminished that right now it's just one of the planets.

But if you look into history, we have Venus and references to Venus in a lot of ancient texts, in a lot of, a lot of stories that.

There are stories talking about going to war and observing phases of Venus, not the Moon.

Venus.

That's a little bit twisted as well.

But, but there's, there's something deeper behind it.

But the point is the, the Moon.

The Moon is not the original reference point.

Of course.

There are a lot of, there's a lot of evidence suggesting that the Moon is not a real satellite.

It's not a natural satellite night.

It's, It's a construct that's been put in place there.

It happens to have a perfect shape that, you know, during eclipses covers the sun perfectly.

So it's like it's, it's, it's a lot of coincidences here, but that's, that's just one of the arguments.

But the point is the moon, right?

Women know the moon for phases, that it has different phases.

But what we don't know is that it was Venus, Venus, Venus that had phases and she has phases.

Originally she shows up as a morning star, as the evening star.

She shows up in her sort of highest, brightest and, and, and sometimes she doesn't show up at all because she's invisible.

Like the moon, the new moon is, is invisible.

There is a full moon, there are phases to the moon, but that mimics Venus.

The original, the original sort of reference for, for all that for women was Venus.

Because Venus is linked to the, to the feminine alchemy.

She's linked to the feminine essence.

And it's, and it's Venus and, and what Venus does for women specifically because she's holding certain feminine essence, that is not some kind of esoteric language here.

This is, this is based on Sumerian tablets that Venus was, was created as the essence of that feminine creative force.

So she, when she, when, when we see her in the sky, she's still broadcasting to us certain calls that are affecting women specifically because they awaken certain energies.

They, they sort of sounds a bit New Agey, but the point is that it kind of, it, it, that connection with women from Venus is precisely what's responsible for, for a woman stepping into her, her alchemy.

It's, you know, back in Eastern Europe and, and maybe in Greece as well.

I don't know how is it for you guys, but probably even now isn't it in, in villages like in, in really kind of rural places, at least in Eastern Europe, women would still wear a scarf on, on the, on, on the hair.

Older women usually, I think they still.

Do to some degree.

Yeah, probably the same in Poland.

So the, the grandmas, the kind of old, old, you know, ladies, they were, wear a scarf on a, on, on the hair.

And this is not because they are, they have thinning hair.

This is not because they are modest or anything.

This is alchemical practice to do with women knowing that they are catching the energy of the, of the stars, of the sun, of Venus into their hair and then they put the scarf so that they kind of, of contain this energy so that they, they, they keep this energy and then you know, some of the stories in Poland say that when a woman, after she would have collected all this energy, when she took off that scarf and she kind of started to, to flutter it like stars, like literally star stars, you know, like light was kind of coming from it.

It was, it was the, it was that energy that kind of collected energy that, that they would, they would have kept.

So it had nothing to do.

This is not like the Muslim kind of scarf covering women to do with that.

It was totally different purpose and it's still, it's still cultivated.

So, so the sort of three reference points, Venus, sun and the stars at night, giving women sort of certain type of energies that women would very often catch into the, into the hair.

And this is why you also also see a lot of women in, in older cultures that are braiding the hair.

Right?

So they would, they would sort of create a, you know what I mean?

Right.

With the, with the plate or, or a braid, which is specifically for.

This is the, the reference to the DNA.

So those energies are.

These women are sending signals that they are aware of these, these sort of connections that these energies are specifically activating the DNA.

So a woman who very often women, even, even until now in, in the folklore in Poland, in Russia, in a lot of Eastern Europe, you will see women, especially if they have those sort of folklore costumes, they will also have the hair done in two or one sun braid.

It, it would be, it would be braided as a symbol of the connection with the, with the, with that energy that activates the, the DNA.

So of course, these women are not, you know, physics teachers or biology teachers.

This is just a symbolic representation.

These women would have been initiated into this knowledge, you know, from mother to daughter, grandmother, etc, and, and, and that would, it would be passed down more as a tradition rather than science.

But that was, that was one of the kind of signaling ways.

Interesting.

Ola, thank you so much for joining us.

Absolutely.

No, I really enjoyed the conversation even when it got a little dicey or heated.

I live for that.

Sometimes the majority of our audience is female, actually not like 90%, but more females than males.

So what advice or what final words do you have for the listeners that are women?

And also, please share how they can be supported by you or learn more about you and your work.

Absolutely.

So I think I, I would say first of all that there is nobody that can teach you anything.

There's nobody that should be guiding you.

Especially, especially for, for women.

A woman needs to, needs to sort of feel this as a deep knowing inside of Her.

And, and I think a lot of that literally can happen the last 10 minutes of our conversation.

Please go outside and have a meaningful time out there.

And, and perhaps if you feel guided, start doing the, the kind of things that we talked about, including, if possible, if at all possible.

I feel a woman.

It's really, it's really good if a woman can plant something of her own, perhaps something, some kind of food, something.

And I'm gonna tell you why it's not, it's not, it's not just so that she can have the fruits of it.

It's literally because women, we are, we are the creators.

So it's almost like you're activating, creating this connection with the earth and the fertility.

It's about the fertility.

It's about running your own fertility, which goes way beyond planting a garden.

It goes.

It's about birthing certain things into your life.

So, so the more you can attend to that garden and, and you can literally pour yourself into that garden on many levels, right, including what we've discussed, the more of that is going to be flowing into.

To your life.

So this is about flowing, you know, the horn of plenty, right, which is, of course, in a woman, the fallopian tubes, horn of plenty connected to the well, the, the, the, the sort of egg of life, right, which is the, the ovaries.

So, so that's one of the, one of the ideas for, for women.

I would, if anybody wants to learn a little bit more, including perhaps, perhaps a little bit more on that logical aspect, why does that work?

And not just the diving into the alchemy, I, I recommend having a look perhaps at my website where I try to explain it all.

I, I have some webinars that are absolutely dealing with all these topics, but fully, fully exhausting them because there's only so much we can do in two hours.

So, so you can, you can also have a look there.

I've developed some discipline lately to organize my interviews into my own YouTube channel so that you guys don't have to go looking after my name all over YouTube.

So you, you may as well, of course, have access to some free resources.

And if somebody wants to reach out in person, please do that too.

I also organize getaways, events here in the Arctic.

Why?

Because this place is absolutely special.

There is a very, very primordial energy here.

Stories go, legends go very, very far and very powerful.

So if you would like to experience that, I can, I can promise you that masks will fall, illusions will break, and there will be a, A breakthrough moment for, for many people here.

So please reach out for that as well.

I would love.

Amazing.

I can only imagine what it's like being up there.

Like I, I, it's, it sounds magical.

Well, I honestly, you know, I'm not from here, so I'm, I think, I hope I'm quite objective.

But I would say that, you know, from the places that I visited across the world, some of them have this very spiritual kind of, kind of marketing around them.

I honestly feel that here specifically I'm talking lon area, you can look it up.

London, Lofoten area.

I would say that this is probably one of the most, if not the most powerful place that I have ever been to.

Yeah.

Thank you so much again and it's so interesting.

I know we talked about when we started, you said, oh, my story isn't, you know, isn't that much.

And then just seeing someone from Poland in the oil and gas world, engineer and now ending up in north of Norway doing what you do is, is really fascinating and interesting and cool.

So maybe, maybe not the most common thing to do.

Definitely not.

Definitely not.

Allah, thank you so much for your time.

Everyone else, thanks for listening and we'll see you guys next time.

Take care.

Bye.

Thank you so much.