Hello.

Welcome to episode three of the Try Feisty Try podcast series we are calling it.

We're back.

Okay.

Yeah, right on.

And as you can see, we have Julie Moss here with me as a co host today.

Unfortunately, Kelly o' Meara is not with us this morning.

We will miss her.

But we have the lovely Julie.

So welcome.

Thank you so much, Sarah.

I. I'm.

It's a pleasure to be here with you and.

And your amazing audience of feisty women out there.

It's a pleasure to have you here.

And for those who don't know just a tiny bit of context, in 1982, this is the woman who put Iron man on the map.

But you were a college student, right?

I was a college student.

I saw the Ironman on ABC Wide World of Sports.

It looked really intriguing.

Hawaii.

I'm totally candid.

Hot guys and speedos and just the idea that it was this ridiculously long race that didn't click.

It clicked that it was in Hawaii.

I could use it for my school project in kinesiology and my mom would pay for a trip to Hawaii.

Well, other.

While other people do, like, research and stuff for their school projects, you thought, I'll just research myself and do a really long race.

Well, Sarah, funny you should say that.

There was no research in 1981 is when I started researching this.

There was one article I could find in the library, and it was from 19 1978, Sports Illustrated.

There was no research.

We were truly figuring this sport out as we went.

And by 1982, you could just send your check in and get accepted into the race.

So that part was easy.

And then the training then became about a school project and not being a swimmer, biker, runner.

It was like, I'll get to it, I'll get to it.

And all of a sudden, I hadn't done much training and I had to turn in a progress report.

So I immediately entered a marathon.

Having never run over eight miles as you do, I. I wanted to run 3:30.

I thought, that's a nice round number.

I can keep track of that.

And I blew up, of course, at mile 20 and ran 3:38.

So there was some naturalness in there, I would say.

But getting here three weeks before the race was the bulk of my training because it was.

It was.

I didn't have anyone to ride with.

I didn't have anybody to really run with.

Right.

And swimming in a pool was really awful.

Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

So coming here and getting in the water and riding out onto the highway I mean, every day.

I did all my training in the two weeks really leading up to, you know, taper week.

Wow.

And of course, nutrition wouldn't have been the same either.

Right.

So you wouldn't have had the same advantages of knowing what to eat, how much to eat, salt intake.

I don't even think they figured that out in marathoning.

No.

Right.

No.

I mean, we knew caffeine, right.

Coke, just by trial and error.

Yeah.

Somehow the science was we'll defizz the coke, when actually some of those bubbles are kind of what helps settle your stomach.

But, yeah, defizz Coke was.

Was the standard.

No, we had oranges, slices, we had apples.

I mean, it's like a soccer game.

Just how hard it was.

It was mom's snack day out there on the.

On the Queen K. And so, yeah, it was really.

It was the.

The.

It was the caveman era.

And so long story short, I mean, nutrition and probably a factor here.

You collabed you were leading the race.

Yeah, that's the crazy part.

Me leading the race.

Now we talk about numbers.

We had about 360 folks in the race that year.

10% of us were women.

So of this 36 or so women, I ended up leading.

And with coming here with the idea of just finishing it and not having a clue to then be leading the race and get to mile, you know, about mile 20, and everything's falling apart.

And then this idea of.

Of winning something and being televised winning something.

There was a seed change in me that continues.

You know, it started that day of knowing worthiness, of knowing you belong, that you deserve this, and that will make your body do things it doesn't want to do.

So in the last quarter mile, falling four times and getting up and finally crawling, it was all about this new perception of myself that was unveiled to me out there in those lava fields.

Right.

And.

Wow.

And you've been coming here, oh, many years since.

How many times have you been here now?

You know, I don't really keep count.

There were a couple stretches I used to say, I'm only coming here if I'm working or I'm racing.

So I would say the last, you know, 43 years or so, I've been here about 30 times.

Okay.

That's a lot.

That's a lot.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What's it like to be back on the island this year?

Oh, obviously, with an all women's race, it's very special.

I mean, I.

You couldn't keep me away.

I mean, I was calling and begging, take me on the team because I can't miss this.

And yeah, it's really special between the women's energy, the supportive nature of having all the women together.

It is not to be missed.

And I think for the few men that have come here, I mean obviously the men coming to support their racers, but those who just came to experience Ironman, they're seeing a very unique representation of what it's like to have a community of athletes supporting each other and wanting to bring out the best in, in each other.

Right.

It's what we interviewed Diana Burch yesterday and one of the things she said was the women, I think it was something like they tread more lightly, you know, and I felt like that was well said.

I think women in general are really good at reading the room and looking out for one another and I think that translates to racing as well.

So.

Yeah.

Not treading on each other, you know, treading lightly and not on each other.

Yes, 100%.

So what does your week look like when you're, when you're here?

Do you have media engagements beyond, beyond the amazing.

Feisty.

Well, it's all downhill from here, let me tell you.

I'm really here as a representative of Ironman corporate and the Ironman Foundation.

I'm on the board of the Ironman Foundation.

Okay.

So we have 30 ladies here who have raised the funds to come here and race and, and those funds will go back into the communities that we race in and into programs for swim safety and running and biking for kids to get grow the sport.

But I really love just sitting on panels, just kind of being, just being a really an all round ambassador for a lifestyle and a sport that I love.

Amazing.

Okay, Julie, what is your favorite part of being here?

My favorite part of being here, it's funny, my favorite part of being here is not racing because I can soak up all of the ambiance, I can soak up the cultural side.

I can soak up all the, the be such a support system for whoever I meet on the street.

I will, I will tell you anything I can to help you.

So that's my favorite thing about being here this year.

My favorite thing about being here.

Racing is probably Sunday when it's over.

Right.

I mean it's such a mixed bag.

Right.

It's the anxiety and that preparation.

I would like one more chance to race here.

Yeah.

And I want to take everything that I've known about not racing and racing and put it together in kind of this seamless experience where I'm appreciating.

I'm Present.

I'm.

I'm soaking it in, but I'm also holding my energy in for race day.

Yeah.

Do you ever.

Do you have any ambition to one day be the oldest person racing here?

Oh, no, no, no.

No.

I like benchmarks.

The 50th anniversary of Kona is in 2028.

Yeah.

I was here for number five.

I like that symmetry of five.

Okay.

And the fact that if my body holds up, that I can come here and really celebrate a lifestyle, just a livelihood, a lifestyle, a community that I have been a part of for 45 years.

It seems worth celebrating.

Absolutely.

And the only way I feel like I can truly sort of, you know, bring that inside is by being out there racing on race day.

What are your favorite things that have.

Or what are the things.

Things that have changed over the years?

What are the most notable things as you walk around Kona?

What are the things that, you know, oh, this wasn't here however many 40 years ago.

Right.

Well, let me say that what I'm feeling feels very familiar to the early days of triathlon is the vibe here with the all women.

Oh, interesting.

Yeah.

We didn't have as many, but it was that we felt like we were sort of these aliens, you know, who had finally landed and found each other.

Yes.

And so, yes, now it's.

Triathlon is very mainstream, and there's triathlon communities everywhere.

But coming here now, you're part of this Kona community, this tribe, this ohana, and that feels very similar to the early days when we were so few, and here we were.

Now it is a select few who are here.

But we're creating this ripple effect, creating this fabric of a community that is spreading out globally.

And it kind of starts right here.

This is Mecca, and we're here.

These ladies have an opportunity to take what they brought soaked in home and spread it out as an.

As being a pillar of, you know, just an inspiration and to young women in their community.

So, yeah, that.

To me, that feels very similar.

I had that role.

Yeah.

Coming here and then bringing triathlon back home.

And so what's very different is I think the professional side is very different.

Right.

It has evolved so so much like.

And even in the depth of the field with the women.

Yes.

And what goes along with that is probably the corporate sponsorship side and social media.

This is something that we didn't exist when we were here racing initially.

And to see how athletes sort of define themselves through social media, how they can expand their brands, that, to me, is.

That's evolving.

I love It.

I think it's more opportunities, right?

Yeah.

Yes, it is really interesting because now, over the years, even as doing media here, you know, we.

It used to be that the only people doing media or social media or podcasts were folks like us who weren't racing necessarily.

But now the athletes themselves have entire media crews with them and have huge followings and I mean, power to them.

Right.

Like, it's great to have so many eyeballs on the race.

And Sarah, I have a question for you.

With the expansion of all these kind of these individual podcasts and media entourages with the athletes, how has that brought you a bigger audience for your podcast with Feisty?

Interesting.

Yeah, it's brought.

It has brought us a bigger audience.

I think we definitely at Feisty have taken the kind of route of like speaking out a little bit, like being those advocates, being the voice sometimes that are.

That's unsaid or seeing some of those things that, you know, often if you're in a situation with sponsorship, you can't necessarily say, you know, or.

Or say on camera.

Right, right.

So that's been part of our kind of the way that we've carved out our space in triathlon as well.

And I love that because I get more information going on listening to your podcast and going on your website and reading your article.

Scott, I still read articles.

I think that you have also been on the forefront of.

Of creating this source of information that is, you're not taking the easy road.

You know, you're getting real information where it's needed.

We'll just call you the cn.

I'll take that.

We're the CNN of triathlon.

Yeah.

No, there's sometimes information that doesn't flow necessarily, like on both ways too.

So I think this year, for example, a lot of people didn't realize that actually there were less slots available for the women.

So in 2023, we had who we had 2, 200 almost racing here.

And this year we had 1500.

It's not because women didn't take their spots, but it's because those spots weren't available.

And then the flow of information the other way.

So Ironman had provided a lactate or a lactation station for, for the athletes, but nobody seemed to know about it.

So we've just been spreading the word to everyone if they need it, you know, so.

Absolutely fun to do stuff like that.

Yeah.

And I honestly, I did not know that there was less spots for women this year.

We worked so hard on the pro side to get even distribution.

And so to hear that there were less spots available.

I think we've also discussed that that could.

Could be a step towards narrowing the fields for 2026.

But that's speculation.

But it's.

It's.

Let's just focus on what we have here, but keep talking about what we don't have.

Yeah, exactly.

So that's part of our role.

And so earlier in the week, we actually talked to Chelsea Sadaro.

So we're going to hear from her and then come back.

Okay.

All right, Chelsea, we were just talking about this.

Tell us about your fit.

Hi, Kelly.

This is a tennis dress from on.

I thought it would be kind of fun to enjoy my race week outfits.

On has such amazing fashion now.

Obviously they're a running brand, but they are coming out with the most unhinged dresses and, like, onesies and stuff.

So I really quite enjoy the style now.

I'm thinking, are you a person that does the whole, like, nails and everything before a race day?

Yeah, I have my nail appointments afternoon too, actually.

It's going to be Barbie pink.

What else do you do during race day?

Because I was just laughing about, like, I can tell all the pros are in their Airbnb, liking every one of our reels.

What do you do during race week to, like, stay sane, taper, relax?

I don't look at Instagram, actually.

I have a really good friend who's doing my Instagram right now.

So I don't even look at it, which is super nice, but it's mostly chill.

If I have a few moments this week where I am bored, then I'm doing it right.

I'm like, harnessing the energy.

Yeah.

Tell us about the energy on race day.

It's again, an all women's day.

The pro field is crazy this year.

What is the energy like out there?

Is it.

Is it super intense?

Is it supportive?

Tell us.

Yeah, I mean, I think the vibes here are already so amazing with all of the female athletes, you know, professional and age group.

It's just such a joyful, supportive environment, I think.

So loving this last year of an all women's world championships.

And then, of course, it's just a battle on.

On race day.

This is gonna sound weird, but do you feel like every.

Like you're a favorite going in this year or an underdog?

I definitely think I'm an underdog.

Yeah.

Even though you're a world champion?

Yeah, I think I'm an underdog every year.

Like, I will forever be an underdog regardless of what I do.

I was gonna ask you about Your training.

You were here for Kona camp two weeks ago.

What is like, a Kona camp entail?

Like, are we putting out 50 hours a week or we.

I know you were doing a bunch of videos, but tell us a little bit about what training goes into this.

Yeah, I don't train 50 hours a week.

I trained a good amount.

You know, it's been a really rocky year for me with sickness and injury, so I've just been trying to stay consistent and do the best I can day by day.

I had a great group of dudes supporting me out here, and we had a lot of fun and enjoyed the island.

And now we're back.

Does it feel hot to you?

Does it feel like.

I know you say you, like, get off the plane and you love it.

Does it still feel hot to you?

Yeah, I mean, like, we're all sweating out here, but I think you just gotta embrace it.

And hopefully people.

Did he prep for it?

Yeah, hopefully.

I was gonna ask you about your training specifically with the Wahoo treadmill, because we've been talking about it.

How much do you use that in the winter?

How do you use that to train?

Yeah, I use the kicker run quite a bit.

I live in Colorado, so we do get snow and ice, and I spend a fair amount of time on it in the winter.

I've also had a ton of, like, a bunch of setbacks this year.

I tore my calf, and I use the kicker run quite a bit in my return to run program.

I put a lever on there for a while.

But the kicker run is great because it syncs really easily with zwift or a training platform so you can see your pace and your distance.

And I just find it to be, like, a really easy way to get the miles in.

I like to do interval workouts on there quite a bit.

It's, like, not super flat where I live, so if I want to do some fast running, I use it for that.

But it's been a great tool.

Are you.

Some people say, like, they hate the treadmills, but now they like that one or they're super hard.

Are you a treadmill person or not a treadmill person?

I do enjoy the treadmill.

I enjoy the treadmill more for harder workouts than I do for easy running.

For easy running, I want to be, like, outside of my head in the clouds, having a conversation with somebody.

But for hard sessions, I do enjoy it because it's a really controlled environment and you can get exactly what you need done on it.

And I'm curious because obviously you came from running background.

Do you still think of yourself as a runner or do you think yourself as a triathlete?

Now that's a really good question because now I'm like eight or nine years into this triathlon thing somehow.

Who would have thought?

I think I'll always, you know, be a runner at heart and that's where my, you know, my like strength has always been.

But I've worked really hard to become a well rounded triathlete and I definitely feel, I guess like a part of the community now and like.

Yeah, a sense of belonging.

So it's good.

Yeah, I feel like a triathlete.

Okay.

I, I'm gonna ask you anyway.

Do you think about strategy?

Like what the strategy is going to play out on race day?

Have you thought about how it's going to play out?

Or are you just gonna like, do you have a plan in your head or is it a secret?

I mean, for me it's just about executing the best day across, swim, bike, run and making good decisions out there.

But yeah, I think like, I just want to get the best out of the fitness that I do have.

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So I thought it was interesting there that Chelsea considers herself an underdog.

She certainly isn't name kind of the top three favorites often, but she's a lot of our favorites, you know.

Absolutely.

I think she, she's does a pretty comprehensive training camp here.

So she, I think the heat, she's got the weather dialed.

She has mentioned as she mentioned she has some setbacks with injuries, but she's also been very transparent over the course of her eight or nine years in the sport with her struggles, whether it's psychological or physical.

And so that transparency I think makes her very relatable.

Yes.

And, and that it also kind of, I think allows her to take some of her.

Those demons that you try and shield your.

Your competitors from or the world from, because you want to put out this.

This strong front.

Yeah.

This invincible front.

I mean, you take a Cat Matthews and.

And she does not.

She does.

She projects this complete strength.

Yes.

You know, former army, complete strength.

Chelsea is more of the.

Every woman, I think, off the course, she definitely has shared with us some of our.

The things we've all gone through.

So for her to say she's the underdog, I think that's just a perspective in that she's not being focused on, but I think she's very focused on having a pretty exceptional race.

Oh, yeah, I think she's focused, and I think it's part of the runner mentality in triathlon a little bit, too, because you're always.

If you come from a running background, you're always like Chelsea does.

You're always coming from behind in the race itself, too.

So that was kind of an interesting thing, too, that Kelly asked her about.

Like, do you still consider yourself a runner?

And I think a lot of us relate to that part, too, because often, no matter how your many years we're in triathlon or whether we're world champion, we still kind of associate with this, where we began, you know.

Well, and where we began, like she said, that's like a secret weapon.

That's her strength, that's her confidence.

Even if she comes off, behind, off the bike, she has got that run ready to go.

And I think it does put that fear into her competitors in the front, which means they might be going too hard to get rid of Chelsea and they might overcook on the bike, which makes it all get really juicy and fun for us as spectators to see how that all plays out.

You think that's something that might happen on race day?

Yeah, I think, for sure.

I think I have this kind of podium in my mind.

I don't know the exact order of it, but I really.

I give magic points to defending champions.

Chelsea was the last woman to win here, so she.

There's a certain magic I learned that being married to Mark Allen and with him defending his title.

There is a certain something that it's a rite of passage that you've earned it.

Not entitlement, but that you have earned that win.

And, you know, something different about yourself, being a winner.

Yeah.

And then, so you take, you know, Chelsea's a former champion here.

You take Laura Phillips, who won in Nice on a very, very difficult course, and she's been.

She been on the podium here.

Did she run into third here?

Yes, yes.

So she's got an experience here but she's also on paper she looks like one of the favorites.

And so then you throw in Kat Matthews and that race that Cat and Laura had and Hamburg is, is the stuff of Iron War legend.

You know they really, they hook it to each other and they just no one gave an inch.

That's what I would like to see here.

And that's how they were also in, in Nice.

Okay, right, like they were head to head.

Yes.

And then additionally add in Lucy there who's, who's probably going to be off the front.

Right.

So you have this amazing athlete who's won here before off the front.

You have these two athletes who traditionally go head to head and are trying to catch together, probably working together to some extent.

And then you have the, the Chelsea's of the world coming from behind with their run and everyone's trying.

So I do think it makes for extremely exciting racing.

I and that's what we want, we want exciting racing.

I mean, you know, as Chelsea said in the, in your interview, it will be battle and it will be an epic battle because of their strengths, all the different strengths coming together at the start line.

So yeah, I see, I see Lucy, I see Kat and Laura fighting it out for the top three spots and then I see Taylor and I see Chelsea taking advantage for anybody who overcooks it and can just swoop in.

And Taylor may be there from the get go on the swimming but I think she's somebody who's still, still learning and still marking the top athletes.

Yeah, of course it's going to be a great day.

And we did also grab a clip with Laura Phillips.

Oh good.

So let's watch that and we'll be right back.

Triathlon's a big deal in Germany.

After winning what was it like?

Do people recognize you on the street?

How big a deal was it?

Well, I guess I could still live my normal life luckily because I think you know, being a triathlete you're probably not striving for like the biggest fame.

But yeah, it was still crazy that really like winning the Ironman World Championships is a big deal and yeah I definitely got recognized more people are more interested in.

I got more invitations to like media stuff and that is just has been really cool because those are great opportunities, you know, especially to grow the female side of the triathlon sport.

And this is something I really care about and to show that I'm able to win a big race like this, as a German athlete, was really special and cool.

And then obviously the defending champ, that was a different location.

So do you feel like the defending champ, do you feel the pressure or do you think of this as like a totally new, different thing?

Yeah, honestly, I feel like it's a different thing because the race is so different.

The courses, you can't compare them at all.

I think personally, I see more pressure on Lucy's side.

Like she is kind of the defending champion on the island, but still, I don't want to count myself out.

Right.

Like, I'm here to give it my best shot.

And I try to prepare as best as possible for this different challenge.

You know, the knees preparation was big fun because I love climbing, descending and so on.

But this is a different challenge and I also really enjoyed to prepare for this.

Not as much fun.

It's more heads down and you know what's up.

So maybe a bit more boring.

But I did a lot of indoor training because I think that is really good for this course because you can't stop pedaling.

But obviously Hawaii is beautiful and it's beautiful to swim here in the ocean.

I got to swim with the dolphins.

You know, this is something that is really unique and I try to really soak up and enjoy.

And how do you think it has to play out on Saturday for you to win?

Like, how big a gap can you let there be?

That's a good question.

Like, I think it depends a lot on how I feel, if I can perform to my best capabilities.

I think if I would, you know, worst case scenario.

I think I've seen seen here was like close to 10 minutes after the swim.

I hope it won't be that much.

I think, yeah, something like five minutes would be good.

And then do my thing on the bike, see how far I can come, and then really hope for a strong run.

And I think this race has shown that, you know, gaps from 10 minutes can melt down and I think kind of anything can happen.

So it's.

It will not be too much about gaps and times more about execution.

Still putting the pressure on late in the race.

You know, I think most of the races, they will be decided late.

And I think if you look at my last race, like Hamburg, you know, it was on the last kilometers.

And I think it will come down to something like that.

Well, I did practice some sprinting, you know, maybe just in case.

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Okay, it was great to hear from Laura there.

I think it's very interesting that Laura having one in nice on a harder, different course.

As Kelly pointed out, there's different expectations.

It's a different race.

But Laura has also been fourth here twice and third in 2023.

The last time we were on the island.

So she's a real contender in these conditions, too.

She's a lovely person to meet on the street, like, so.

She's kind of humble in her own way.

What I would love to have heard just one little piece that she's ready to graduate, you know, from.

From Step ups.

Yeah.

I think she's to take it.

Yeah.

There's got to be something in the psychology that.

Yes.

She's saying that, you know, she wants to execute and have her good day and she's in.

Gaps aren't that important, but I know that.

And her run is her.

Her strength coming through.

So I would like.

I would have loved her to say something that, you know, I've been fourth, I've been third.

I'm a world champion.

I'm ready.

I'm sure she's thinking.

I know she is.

But there's something about.

I. I wanted to hear it.

Yeah.

So we'll get to hear it.

Maybe post race, but I think the idea of a late.

A late decision whether it comes to sprint finish.

Sprint finish would be the dream.

Yeah.

To let the women do what the men have not been able to do.

Wouldn't that be great?

Yeah.

So.

Yeah.

And I'd absolutely could come down to that.

Just the way the race play, like, a lot of people are kind of saying that.

That it could be a very exciting finish.

It could be.

But the.

The wear and tear of that final downhill.

You've experienced that, Sarah.

That would.

If you are on the slightest edge, that could really separate you.

Just trying to stay with somebody.

Yeah.

Down that last.

It's really funny because I've found it's so different in different years racing here.

So if you are having a good race or if you're feeling excited about the finish line from Polani, you know, you don't even feel that downhill, but sometimes if it's like death and dying and you really feeling your pain, you feel it a lot more.

And I'm sure that the, you know, the damage is essentially the same, but your mindset makes all the difference to what you're feeling in that moment.

So there will be like in Iron War with Mark Allen and Dave Scott, there was a.

Mark made the decision to go on the uphill to try and break him because he wasn't confident that he could shake Dave Scott on a downhill.

Right.

I would be interesting to see if that plays out.

If we have a very close race coming down to that last mile to see if.

If that strategy would still hold or if we get our dreams Sprint finish.

Right?

Yeah.

Do you have a race strategy?

Me?

A race strategy?

At this stage in my life, my race strategy is to execute.

Good.

I love that.

Just execute.

And, and there is a, there is a, there's a rhythm to saving your energy and, you know, getting through, you know, the first, you know, warming up for the first quarter of something and then, and then warming down a little bit and getting ready for, you know, the bike and getting ready for the run and to marshaling your energy.

And that is, that's a, that is mixed right there with marshaling your, your nutrition.

And all of it comes together in and.

Or it doesn't.

Right.

It comes together in a good way or it's just slightly off.

And the love thing I love about endurance sports is though, you can, you can totally screw it up and then you can come back from it.

Right?

That's true.

Yeah.

You have time.

Right.

But a perfect race is.

A perfect race exists in an ironman.

Mirinda Carfrae said one of her wins was as close to perfection as she could get.

Right.

So I guess it does exist.

But for me, how do you race?

Just execute, get to the finish line.

Right.

And I feel like that kind of strategy is a lot more relatable to most of the other people, the non Lauras and Chelsea's of the world.

Exactly.

And, and the thing is, you're going out battling the course.

They're battling the course in each other.

That to me just is.

That is ultimate respect.

Yes.

Amazing.

Well, Julie, thank you so much.

It's been so fun to have you here in our island studio today.

Where we are.

Yeah, exactly.

Another year.

Check the box.

Congratulations on all the amazing success with Vicey media and the podcast.

It's been fabulous.

Thank you so much.

And congratulations to you on all your success here on the island over 40 plus years.

Thank you.