Have you ever felt a pull towards something new but told yourself it was too late?
Speaker AMaybe you've thought about learning a new skill or starting a project, or even pursuing a long held dream, but there was that little annoying voice in your head that said, that's for younger people.
Speaker AThat ship has sailed.
Speaker AWell, think again.
Speaker AYou know, at 66 I started this podcast at 60.
Speaker ADeirdre Wolow Nick, my guest last week took up rock climbing for the first time.
Speaker AAnd my guest today, Becky Blue, became a first time author at 60, using her writing to spark conversations about what's possible as we age.
Speaker AThis episode is all about aging with curiosity, purpose and passion.
Speaker ANot as abstract ideas, but as a way of living life.
Speaker ABecky and I will explore what it means to approach this stage of life within an explorer's mindset, challenging old narratives and embracing what excites us.
Speaker AIf you've ever wondered, is it too late for me to try something new, stick around.
Speaker AThis episode might just change the way you see your own possibilities.
Speaker AWelcome to Boomer Banter, the podcast where we have real talk about aging well.
Speaker AMy name is Wendy Greene and I am your host and talking about possibilities, I want to invite you to join our Boomer Banter membership.
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Speaker ALet me tell you about Becky Blue.
Speaker AShe is the author of a book titled Turning the Magic and Mystery of More Days.
Speaker AShe is a writer, speaker Retired geriatric nurse, community volunteer and is passionate about changing the culture of aging.
Speaker ABecky has been a TEDx speaker.
Speaker AShe is an entertaining and inspiring keynote speaker and she uses personal stories and scientific research to explore the opportunities that a long view of life can hold.
Speaker ABecky's message is there is no expiration date.
Speaker AI'm living a life of health impact and wonderful.
Speaker ASo let's get into it.
Speaker AWelcome Becky, to Boomer Banter.
Speaker BHello.
Speaker BBut thank you, thank you.
Speaker AWe're so glad to have you here.
Speaker AAnd Becky, you became a first time author at 60.
Speaker AWhat inspired you to take that leap and what was the biggest mindset shift you had to make?
Speaker BOh, boy.
Speaker BI think what inspired me was watching my friends, my girlfriend group kind of turned 60 and I knew that I had been had a lot of things in my background that should prepare me for such a milestone because I was going to be the next one up.
Speaker BAnd so I kind of started digging into some of my nursing literature since I had been a geriatric nurse.
Speaker BAnd I thought, I'm just going to start writing about this.
Speaker BSo it was almost like I was kind of started writing some essays and then they kind of kept coming, kept coming and I thought, you know, this might be enough for a book.
Speaker BBut of course the mindset shift as it is with so many things is kind of that lack of self confidence or sort of that imposter syndrome is like, really, I'm going to publish a book, Is that something I can do?
Speaker BSo with a lot of encouragement from some colleagues and friends, I decided to go for it.
Speaker BAnd I'm really glad I did.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker ASo that's a, that was a big change.
Speaker AI mean, did you do much writing before you wrote the book or the essays?
Speaker BThank you for asking that.
Speaker BI think at my core I've always been a writer.
Speaker BI loved writing even as a young girl.
Speaker BI wrote poetry and, and I loved my English classes.
Speaker BMy mom was an English teacher.
Speaker BAnd then I went into nursing.
Speaker BAnd if any of you listeners are nurses, you know that it's not especially great for your writing because you're doing everything very briefly and nowadays you're just plugging it in on a computer.
Speaker BBut then I was able to take a career change in my nursing career and move into a lot of grant writing.
Speaker BAnd so that was a really great setting for getting concise, getting clear in what words I use.
Speaker BAnd then I started writing a blog and I actually wrote a cookbook in honor of my mother in law.
Speaker AOh, how fun.
Speaker BThat had rather small distribution, but I do Kind of call this my first official book.
Speaker AWhat's your first real published book?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd writing grants is not as much of a storytelling process, I don't think, is it?
Speaker BWell, I think those are the successful grant writers who can tell a story, who can paint a picture.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BWho understand who their audience is and what matters to them.
Speaker BSo I think it's.
Speaker BThere's just a lot that goes into grant writing.
Speaker BBut I think the most powerful thing that goes into grant writing is understanding who your reader is.
Speaker AWell, you certainly did that in your book Turning.
Speaker AIt was a lot about your experience, but then you certainly brought in a lot of your other stories and experiences, and you talked about an explorer's mindset.
Speaker AWhat does that mean to you?
Speaker BI think it goes back.
Speaker BI love that you use the word curious previously.
Speaker BAnd so I love to use the phrase stay clever and curious.
Speaker BAnd as we.
Speaker BWhere this explorer mindset came from was on a road trip with my husband across the plains of Wyoming and realizing that, think of Lewis and Clark and how they just kind of kept following the Missouri river and let's see what curve this takes next, and who knows what's around the river bend?
Speaker BAnd I thought that's kind of what it is with aging, is we don't know, you know, as much as we can kind of prepare for it.
Speaker BWe really don't know what's coming at us.
Speaker BAnd so it's really great to have this explorer's mindset of, I'm just gonna see what's around the next bend.
Speaker BAnd as it comes, I'm going to face it with curiosity and with questions, and I'm not going to hide.
Speaker BI'm going to kind of like, back to my book, which is called, you know, Turning the Magic and Mystery of More Days, Kind of seeing what the magic and mystery can be in all these days ahead.
Speaker AI love that idea, the explorer's mindset, because, you know, that certainly is something as we are approaching this stage and in this stage, you know, so many people say, I don't want to do it.
Speaker AIt's too late, and my time is up.
Speaker AAnd we're like, no, you and I both are like, try it.
Speaker AYou know, why not?
Speaker AWhat do you got to lose?
Speaker ATry it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd I think the other thing with that I love.
Speaker BWhat do you got to lose?
Speaker BBecause I think as we get older, there's sort of this not such an obsession with being afraid of failing.
Speaker BI think we're really kind of like, well, I'll try it and.
Speaker BAnd see what happens if it doesn't work, I'll go on to something else.
Speaker BExactly.
Speaker BI.
Speaker BI love that about.
Speaker BI think that's a big part of wisdom.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd I think not being afraid of failing is something our younger listeners can look forward to.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker AThat's right.
Speaker ASo at the end of each chapter, you always put in these questions that help people kind of think and process the chapter and think about what aging means to them in different areas.
Speaker AWhat are some of the conversations you wish we were having more of around aging?
Speaker BI think it's easy to have conversations about, oh, this hurts, and that.
Speaker BThat hurts.
Speaker BAnd I went to the doctor and this was my lab value and all that.
Speaker BAnd those are relevant and okay to have.
Speaker BBut some of the questions I love are, so what haven't we.
Speaker BWhat haven't I done yet?
Speaker BWhat's like waiting in the wings that I might want to try out?
Speaker BAnd it takes some bravery to say that.
Speaker BI like to share a story from when I went and visited a book club, and it was a lot of women around the table, probably 15 or 20, and they'd been meeting for, like, 15 years.
Speaker BIt's so cool.
Speaker BAnd they obviously knew each other very well.
Speaker BBut I kind of posed this question at the end of a chapter, you know, what's waiting in the wings that you might like to try, try.
Speaker BAnd someone answered.
Speaker BThey said, you know, I've always wanted to rock babies in the intensive care nursery, but I'm not sure I'd be very good at it.
Speaker BAnd all the friends around the table, oh, my gosh, you'd be fantastic.
Speaker BYou need to do this, and we'll cheer you on.
Speaker BAnd so I think having those kinds of conversations with your family and friends, you have to be rather vulnerable and really put it out there.
Speaker BBut then you also have this whole group of people who will keep you accountable, that they will ask you, hey, did you go to the hospital?
Speaker BDid you get signed up?
Speaker BOr can I go with you and.
Speaker BAnd sign.
Speaker BSign you up and.
Speaker BAnd help you do this?
Speaker BAnd that's just one tiny example of the many things I've heard from my reading readers.
Speaker AYeah, I think that's important to have that.
Speaker AThat friend group, that supportive group of people that not only cheer you on, but, like you said, hold you accountable.
Speaker AI think that that helps us get through some of our hesitation and our fear.
Speaker ADo you think so?
Speaker BOh, for sure.
Speaker BI think aging should not happen in.
Speaker BSaw in as.
Speaker BAs a solo.
Speaker BIt's not a solo act.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BIt should happen in a, you know, trio or quartet.
Speaker BOr choir or whatever.
Speaker BYou know, I think it, and I think for too long we just haven't talked about it.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BHas kind of been not taboo, but maybe not fun, but I think now we can talk about it and have such great examples, have such great role models of people who are doing some amazing things in their third act of life.
Speaker BAnd I mean, this is the time to, to try some of those things.
Speaker BFor sure.
Speaker AYeah, for sure.
Speaker ASo for.
Speaker AFor people that are hesitant about pursuing rocking babies in the nursery or, you know, trying to be a writer, whatever, what, what would you say to them?
Speaker BWell, I.
Speaker BWell, I think first you have to figure out what it is.
Speaker BAnd I think it's okay to really go back, try to take yourself back to maybe your teenagers or your collegers or when you were.
Speaker BBefore you had children, like, what did you maybe want to do but never got to do?
Speaker BAnd so think of those things and then think, well, how can I maybe kind of start small with this?
Speaker BAnd I'll use this myself as an example.
Speaker BA couple years ago I was going through this exercise and probably because I was reading my book, but I remember that when I was young, one of the things that brought me great joy was dancing, was taking ballet.
Speaker BAnd I had gotten to take one semester of ballet when I was in college for a PE credit and I just loved it.
Speaker BAnd then that went by the wayside because of life, of course.
Speaker BBut I thought of that a couple of years ago and I thought, okay, let's just try this.
Speaker BSo I found a YouTube channel that was like, do ballet in your kitchen or whatever, you know, and like you hold on to your kitchen island and use it as a ballet.
Speaker BBut it was just as perfect.
Speaker BThis wonderful teacher who made, you know, I could pull her up any morning and, and watch her and do it with her.
Speaker BSo I did that for like six months.
Speaker BAnd I figured out that I saw a posting on social media that the one of the local ballet studios called Dance Gallery.
Speaker BAnd it happened to be the same, same studio that I took that class from 40 years prior in college.
Speaker BThey were starting to offer adult ballet lessons.
Speaker BSo I thought, okay, this is perfect.
Speaker BMeant to be, meant to be.
Speaker BSo I started taking ballet and it's been absolutely life giving and it's been such a joy.
Speaker BI.
Speaker BMy.
Speaker BOne of my purposes was to improve my balance and my strength, which I would say it has.
Speaker BBut I also just wanted to experience the music and the sights and sounds of that studio environment and to the point where I even got to be a part a We part of.
Speaker BOf the Nutcracker a couple Christmases ago.
Speaker BSo, you know, I guess to your question, it's first dig back in.
Speaker BBe a little bit of an archaeologist.
Speaker BDig back in your soul, see what's waiting back there, and then to just start small.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd if.
Speaker BIf it doesn't work out, then dig again and find something different.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AThat was brilliant.
Speaker ALike, you tried with the YouTube, so you had to see first.
Speaker ACan I still do it?
Speaker AWould I be brave enough to get in front of people to do.
Speaker AI mean, that was great.
Speaker AWhat a great way to start.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo I have a recital coming up at the end of May.
Speaker BI'm already stressing about that.
Speaker BAnd one of the costumes involves boas.
Speaker BAnd I'm like, oh, my gosh.
Speaker BPretty sure I'm gonna, you know, slip on it and break a hip on stage.
Speaker BSo you can pray for me about that.
Speaker ANo, no, you got to change that image.
Speaker AYou're gonna do great.
Speaker AYou're gonna whirl around and thank you, Wendy.
Speaker BI mean, even me, you know, who writes, I can still get those negatives?
Speaker AWe do it to ourselves all the time, don't we?
Speaker BEverybody does.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AAnd then we stop.
Speaker ALike, okay.
Speaker BAnd then we stop.
Speaker AYes.
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Speaker ASo, Becky, when I read your book, I realized that, I mean, we were actually talking about this before it came on air that you wrote your book.
Speaker AWhen the pandemic started.
Speaker AI started this show when the pandemic started.
Speaker AAnd then also you said your husband had retired right around that same time also.
Speaker ASo there was a lot of transition going on during that period.
Speaker AAnd that's five years now.
Speaker ASo I'm wondering in the ensuing five years if there's other things that you would have added to your book or changed about what you said now that you are five years older and wiser.
Speaker BWell, in regards to my husband, I think I I mean, that was totally in real time.
Speaker BAs I was writing this book, he was asked to retire, as maybe some of our age were during COVID So he wasn't expecting it at all.
Speaker BSo I think I titled that chapter let yourself be surprised.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BAnd then I joke about, you know, I.
Speaker BI think there's that old saying about, I married you for better and for worse, but not for lunch.
Speaker BYou know, all of a sudden he was home and trying to find meaningful things to do.
Speaker BBut kind of the rest of the story there was.
Speaker BHe ended up finding an amazing work opportunity, which was halftime.
Speaker BAnd so he.
Speaker BHe went back to work.
Speaker BAnd for him, that was the right answer.
Speaker BBut I think I, maybe now would be able to even give more background into what can retirement be?
Speaker BAnd I just ran into a friend the other night, a dentist who had retired, and he said, I don't call it retirement.
Speaker BI call it repurposement.
Speaker BAnd I like that.
Speaker AI haven't heard that.
Speaker BI like that.
Speaker BYou know, I think we've heard a lot of things about what you can call retirement, but I like that, that repurposement.
Speaker BSo I would say that my husband now is finding a lot of meaning in his work and really using his past experience, which is as far as other things I would have added to my book, because in these past couple of years, my husband and I have ended up in a caregiving journey with his family.
Speaker BAnd I think you and I have talked about this a little bit before, related to caring for your mom.
Speaker BAnd so I feel like now I really can empathize and talk much more about that caregiving journey, even though I used to teach about it all the time when I was a geriatric nurse specialist.
Speaker BIt's the kind of.
Speaker BKind of thing you don't even.
Speaker BYou can't even appear to know what it's like until you've actually been in the trenches and done it.
Speaker AIt's so true.
Speaker AIt's so true.
Speaker AYou know, we.
Speaker AI mean, I've talked about it, too.
Speaker AI've had people on the show talk about it, but until it became real, from.
Speaker AFrom my perspective, too, it's.
Speaker AIt's emotionally a roller coaster in a lot of ways.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo in your next edition, you can.
Speaker BYeah, new edition.
Speaker AStay tuned.
Speaker ASo you had this chapter that was titled where did you learn to age?
Speaker AI love that.
Speaker ASo tell me about where you learned to age.
Speaker BYes, I would say I learned to age when I was very young, and it was because of our setting.
Speaker BI was growing up on a farm in a small Community.
Speaker BMy grandparents were nearby.
Speaker BMy other set of grandparents were, you know, a Sunday afternoon drive up the road.
Speaker BSo I just had the benefit of really being surrounded by older adults, which I really kind of worry about now for this, the young children.
Speaker BI feel like a lot of ways, we've gotten kind of scattered, and we don't necessarily, necessarily have all those intergenerational opportunities.
Speaker BSo I think people need to be more intentional about that as parents and having their children have adopted grandparents or whatever, if you can't be with yours regularly.
Speaker BSo I would say it started with spending a lot of time with older adults as I was growing up.
Speaker BAnd then, of course, you kind of get negative role models and you get positive role models.
Speaker BBut I would say overall, there was just.
Speaker BJust a real love for older adults.
Speaker BAnd I was always the one who kind of wanted to hang out at the kitchen table a little bit longer while all the kids went out and played.
Speaker BBut I wanted to stay and hear more of the stories.
Speaker BAnd so I think, you know, for certain ones of us, I think there is a pull towards that age group.
Speaker BAnd I know I certainly found that in my nursing practice as well.
Speaker ASure, sure.
Speaker BBut I think it's a wonderful exercise.
Speaker BAnd when you talk about things we should be talking about, and that can be fun.
Speaker BCoffee chat, you know, where'd you learn how to age?
Speaker BWho taught you right.
Speaker AAnd who are your role models for aging?
Speaker AYou know, there was just a question that came up in my newsfeed today about who are your role models for aging?
Speaker AAnd, you know, as we become role models for aging, also, it becomes even a more interesting question.
Speaker BYeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker BAnd it doesn't have to be someone in your family, you know, I think you can.
Speaker BI find myself just always watching other people and seeing how they engage.
Speaker BAnd my church happens to be a great place to see lots of different people of different ages, of course, but even out in the community.
Speaker BAnd the thing I always look for is who are those people who want to be relevant, who want to be curious.
Speaker BIt might even be in how they.
Speaker BHow they dress, how they carry themselves.
Speaker BAnd then in conversation, are they curious about the other person rather than talking about themselves?
Speaker BAnd that's a great barometer or a great role model for aging is ask, tell me what you've been up to.
Speaker BEven if you're talking to somebody who's 15 years old, you know, just, you know, what's your story?
Speaker BWhat are you up to these days?
Speaker BJust to be open to other people's stories.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd I think you're Right.
Speaker AThe curiosity.
Speaker AYou know, we're so.
Speaker AParticularly the younger generation.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker AIt's text this and text that, you know, so you have very short conversations.
Speaker ASo staying curious, who, who inspires you.
Speaker AHow did you learn curiosity?
Speaker AOr is it always just part of you?
Speaker BYeah, I think I've always been fairly curious.
Speaker BMy dad used to have us saying, what master of what was it?
Speaker BNow?
Speaker BI can't think of how he said it, but kind of like he was, yes, curious of all things, but master of none or whatever.
Speaker BAnd so my father was always very curious.
Speaker BAnd then I think of a nurse mentor, one of my nursing professors who just turned 90.
Speaker BAnd I watched her go through her life and her nursing career and really reach out to so many different populations of people, to people who are out in the community, maybe healthcare, in children, in the schools.
Speaker BBut she was also like a really early adopter of tech, which I think is really impressive for somebody who's 90 years old.
Speaker BShe said, oh, just, you know, when email was just starting and I was probably still getting paper memos from the hospital, she's like, oh, just email me.
Speaker BYou know, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, you figured out emailing.
Speaker BYou're almost 30 years older than me.
Speaker BYou know, that's going to date me here.
Speaker BOf course, with, with your audience.
Speaker BYeah, I, I just, I probably value curiosity and courage.
Speaker BI guess that would be the other C word in myself and in my children.
Speaker BSomething I've tried to, to teach them, certainly.
Speaker AYeah, I can definitely see that in you.
Speaker AI wanted to talk about self care because you talk about that in your book.
Speaker AAnd certainly you encouraged your patients, your clients, you know, into caring for themselves as they could.
Speaker ABut I also wanted to quote something that you're.
Speaker AI think it was your grandmother that said it's better to wear out than to rust out.
Speaker BThanks for saying that.
Speaker BYeah, Grandma Marie isn't that good?
Speaker AThat's a great statement.
Speaker BTo rust out.
Speaker BAnd all of the cousins and everybody.
Speaker BWe still recall that.
Speaker BAnd, and she did that.
Speaker BYou know, she was a hard worker.
Speaker BAnd again, she, she didn't just sit around.
Speaker BShe loved to, to stay busy.
Speaker BSo I think anytime we were maybe kind of mopey or complaining about having to do some chores or having to do some work, that's what she would come up with.
Speaker BI think we can all benefit from reminding ourselves of that today.
Speaker BIt's better to wear out than to rust out.
Speaker BAnd as far as self care, I think where I really learned that was when I started working in Faith Community Nursing, where we put nurses into churches.
Speaker BAnd we started.
Speaker BWe really focus on looking at people in body, mind and spirit.
Speaker BThat they're kind of three parts of the whole and just the importance of taking care of each of those parts.
Speaker BAnd when we think about aging, I think it's easy to focus on our bodies and how they are changing, of course, and sometimes not being the friendliest towards us.
Speaker BI woke up this morning, I thought, why do my legs hurt?
Speaker BI just want to get out of bed and walk to the bathroom.
Speaker BI was like, oh, so your body will give you some aches and give you some signs.
Speaker BSo, you know, of course that implies, well, let's do a little stretching maybe even before we get out of bed.
Speaker BSo there's some self care right there.
Speaker BBut so the body, it's a little more obvious what we do there for self care and the mind.
Speaker BI say that my ballet is equivalent to my husband doing wordle.
Speaker BYou know, I think I've got to kind of memorize some steps and things like that.
Speaker BSo we do things to keep our mind sharp.
Speaker BSo that's self care of the mind.
Speaker BBut the one that I think we don't think enough about is spirit and how do we care for our spirit?
Speaker BDepending on your faith tradition, you know, how you take in that higher being.
Speaker BBut I.
Speaker BI think it's so important to.
Speaker BTo feed your spirit.
Speaker BAnd just recently I've come across the concept of spiritual electricity.
Speaker AOh, I haven't heard that.
Speaker BYeah, and it's from a wonderful book called the Artist's Way.
Speaker BAnd she talks the importance of spiritual.
Speaker BOf spiritual electricity.
Speaker BAnd what that is is where you kind of cut out the cobwebs enough in your life and in the messages that are coming in and maybe being in some silence and letting kind of your senses feed you, but you know, all the five senses, or maybe it's from when you are doing something you really love or you get to have a conversation with an old friend.
Speaker BYou get that energy.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BAnd that's.
Speaker BI would.
Speaker BShe calls it a spiritual energy or being creative when suddenly you've made a new recipe or you've decided, I'm going to write in my journal this morning, that feeling that you get because of those rather simple but powerful activities is that spiritual energy.
Speaker BSo that's kind of what I'm looking at now related to self care.
Speaker BI've been much more intentional about opening up my journal every morning and reading something from a favorite book or a scripture and letting myself get energized in that way.
Speaker AI think Intention.
Speaker AIntention is so important, Becky.
Speaker AYou know, I've.
Speaker AI've journaled all my life, but on and off, right?
Speaker BAnd, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker AI set myself an intention a couple weeks ago that I was going to journal in the morning before I pick up my phone and start checking all the mail and messages and stuff, because that just clouds your thinking.
Speaker ABut you know what I found also, and I want to ask you about this.
Speaker AThis morning, for the first time in a while, I woke up without this neck pain and headache, and I felt so much more awake and alert and ready to write in my journal.
Speaker AYou know, pain really stops us in a lot of ways.
Speaker AMentally, spiritually, physically.
Speaker AAnd you worked with a lot of geriatric patients.
Speaker AI mean, how did you help them?
Speaker AKind of put that in perspective as we're trying to be intentional.
Speaker BThat's good.
Speaker BI mean, pain is.
Speaker BI don't expect.
Speaker AI don't.
Speaker BI'm not an expert in pain, but certainly pain can be in body, mind, and spirit as well.
Speaker BSo I always say, you know, you've got to kind of keep the main things.
Speaker BThe main things, you know, make sure that you're taking care of your body in whatever way you can.
Speaker BAnd sometimes even speaking, the pain really helps.
Speaker BSo if you share that with someone, saying, this is what I'm feeling.
Speaker BBut I think that when I worked with my geriatric clients so often, it wasn't always a medicinal kind of cure that we needed for them.
Speaker BSometimes it was.
Speaker BBut I had the pleasure of working with other interdisciplinary folks, like a physical therapist and pharmacists, a speech therapist, an occupational therapist.
Speaker BI mean, sometimes it's as simple as just, let's get you a new chair, you know?
Speaker BYou know, you're just not sitting right.
Speaker BAnd so just know that there's so many options beyond grabbing a pill.
Speaker BThe appeal, the easiest, I mean.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo I think, again, it's speaking the pain, letting people know that this is what I'm dealing with.
Speaker BAnd what's.
Speaker BWhat's the best thing for me and.
Speaker AAsking for help and doing some movement and all of those things, I think.
Speaker BOh, absolutely.
Speaker BI mean, movement is a given.
Speaker BI mean, I think if you're gonna think of one thing to do to.
Speaker BTo age healthier is just move and move all the time.
Speaker AYeah, I know.
Speaker AWe got to keep moving.
Speaker AWe don't want that rust to build up on us.
Speaker BYeah, right.
Speaker ASo another thing that you talked about in the book was sleep, how important that is for us.
Speaker AAnd so many people I know, as we pass midlife, we get a Lot of interrupted sleep and then people wake up tired.
Speaker ASo what do you recommend to improve sleep?
Speaker BFor me, I think first it's assessing, you know, where is the barrier to great sleep or is it really just kind of, it's typical to have this interrupted sleep as you mentioned, as we age.
Speaker BSo what I would always do this night with my clients, rather than asking them, how did you sleep last night?
Speaker BI would ask, did you feel rested when you woke up in the morning?
Speaker AAh, okay.
Speaker BSo I think that's a really better question to ask.
Speaker BAnd I love that you had a great sleep last night.
Speaker BYou woke up and you felt, felt great.
Speaker AI love that.
Speaker BSo then you kind of to dial back and see, well, what did I do differently last night?
Speaker BAnd I, and I'm, you know, dealing with this in real time too.
Speaker BAnd I'm 65 and I would say that on those nights that I eat closer to bedtime or have a sweet treat or a chocolatey dessert, those are the nights I don't sleep as well and, or the nights that I'm, you know, looking at my screen.
Speaker BBut, and I will say for sure that the days that I exercise are the nights that I am so much better and I have taken up swimming and so I've been swimming in the mornings and I feel like that's made a big difference for me.
Speaker BBut I also know that everyone is different, everyone is an individual.
Speaker BSo we have to be willing to try some different things.
Speaker BBut again, speaking that difficulty that you're having with sleep, either speaking it to your healthcare professional but just speaking it to your friends, because everybody's going through this, right.
Speaker BOr if you have a sister or a brother, you might share some of your same DNA, might have some same impact.
Speaker BBut overall I would say that sleep is just a non negotiable.
Speaker BYou've got to get that in and so to not wait too long to deal with it.
Speaker AYeah, yeah.
Speaker ABecause I mean, everything I read about it is, you know, all this healing of your brain or restructuring or whatever it is that's happening up there happens when you sleep.
Speaker BSo yeah.
Speaker BAnd you know, we're in an age where we've lived with technology for a long time.
Speaker BIf you have one of the, some kind of a feedback mechanism, maybe it's an aura ring or we got a new bed and our new bed comes with an app and it actually measures my sleep.
Speaker BSo I mean, it's crazy what's out there to give you feedback on how you're sleeping and it's worth looking at those options or of course, you know, the simple thing again is just going back to your pen is when you wake up in the morning, kind of log it, you know, kind of keep a journal of what did I do last night?
Speaker BOr what did I do yesterday that made me sleep better today?
Speaker BOr the converse, what did I do last night or yesterday that maybe sleep awful.
Speaker ASo a lot of what you're talking about is.
Speaker AIs self awareness, right?
Speaker ALike, speak the pain, speak the problem of sleeping, speak, you know, these kinds of things, these fears.
Speaker AI.
Speaker AI heard from a friend today who told me about a pattern for crocheting a blanket, a mood blanket.
Speaker AOh, wow.
Speaker AI know.
Speaker ASo all these different colors were associated with what you're feeling that day as you're doing your work.
Speaker AI know.
Speaker AHow cool is that?
Speaker ASo, I mean, that's an awareness thing, too.
Speaker ASo whatever we can do to raise our awareness of.
Speaker AOf what we're feeling, thinking our thoughts, create our beliefs and our actions and our, you know, all of that.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo what are you doing?
Speaker AI know you talked about ballet and swimming, and.
Speaker ASo are there new things that you are seeing on the horizon that you want to take on for your explorer mindset?
Speaker BOh, gosh.
Speaker BWell, I kind of feel.
Speaker BOn a road trip.
Speaker BI think that would be great.
Speaker BSo I haven't.
Speaker BWe haven't got that set out yet, but I always encourage people to just even look what's right outside your.
Speaker BYour door.
Speaker BThere's some new restaurants in town that I'd like to try.
Speaker BYou know, sometimes it can just be that simple.
Speaker BAnd I always like to tell people, I mean, one piece of advice I have every day, just do something new again.
Speaker BOne of my favorite stories is from a book club where a woman shared.
Speaker BYeah, I have a group of six of us, and we go out together every Wednesday, but we've made a pact that we don't ever do the same thing twice.
Speaker AWow.
Speaker BIsn't that a great idea?
Speaker BSo every Wednesday, they have to think of something new to do.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker BAnd so she shared with the group that this past week or whenever it was, that we all put on our snow clothes and we went tubing at the local ski hill.
Speaker BCan you just imagine?
Speaker BI mean, what a fun idea.
Speaker BAnd so the kicker of that, though, was I said, okay, who did you tell about this?
Speaker BAnd she kind of goes, you know, she wasn't real specific, but I.
Speaker BI made that as an example of.
Speaker BOkay, it'd be great if you post pictures on Facebook or make sure you tell the kids in your life that you and your Six sixty something girlfriend took a Wednesday afternoon and went tubing at the local ski hill.
Speaker BSo that kind of gets back to My purpose in life right now is to change the culture of aging.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd that we know that we change the culture of aging by either doing story worthy things that we can tell others about.
Speaker BFor example, I love that this platform gave me a chance to tell people about my ballet.
Speaker BHopefully that changed the culture of aging a little bit.
Speaker BOr the other thing you have to do is find story worthy things that other people are doing and tell those stories.
Speaker BWhich is your whole podcast, Right?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BSo little by little, if we're all talking about aging, either our own or what we've learned from somebody else will change the culture of aging.
Speaker AI love that Becky, and I love that you said it doesn't have to be big things.
Speaker AGoing to a new restaurant is, you know, that's a new adventure.
Speaker ASo, yeah, thank you.
Speaker AThank you for all of this.
Speaker AI want to let people know how they can find you.
Speaker AYou have a website that's called Becky Blue Writes W R I t e s beckyblue writes.com and from there you can find your book, which you can also find on Amazon and it's called Turning the Magic and Mystery of More Days.
Speaker AAnd you can also contact Becky through there.
Speaker AShe's also on Facebook as Becky Blue and you can follow her on Instagram.
Speaker AThat is Becky J.
Speaker ABlue on Instagram.
Speaker ASo follow Becky.
Speaker AFollow Becky and watch her new adventures as she keeps moving forward.
Speaker ALet's see.
Speaker AI also want to remind you about the Boomer Banter membership being a warm, welcoming space where real conversations happen, friendships form, and we navigate the next chapter together.
Speaker ASo if you'd like to try a month for free, you can email me@wendyboomer.biz and next week, next week's kind of interesting.
Speaker AI'm going to be participating in something called Podcast thon.
Speaker AIt's a global movement where podcasters come together to spotlight important non profit causes.
Speaker AAnd for my podcast thon special, I'll be featuring Doris McLallan, who is president of the American association of University Women.
Speaker AAAUW in South Carolina will be talking about AAUW's mission to advance equity for women in education and the workplace, why this work is still so important today, and how being part of AAUW for over 40 years has given Doris a deep sense of purpose.
Speaker ASo I can't wait to share this conversation with you.
Speaker ABe sure to subscribe, follow and tune in to Boomer Banter next week for that episode and one final thing.
Speaker ABefore I go, I wanted to mention my friend Adrienne Berg, who has the podcast Ageless Traveler.
Speaker AIt's a podcast on a mission that you will never stop traveling, and she brings you useful information on trips, tips and hacks for lifelong travel.
Speaker ABreaks down barriers to solo, intergenerational and traveling at slower paces.
Speaker ASo check her out.
Speaker AIt's agelesstraveler.com for access to a lifetime of travel.
Speaker AAnd thank you to Greenwood Capital for sponsoring this podcast.
Speaker AGreenwood Capital is an independent registered advisory firm providing wealth management, investment solutions, and financial planning to claim clients in 23 states.
Speaker AThank you so much Becky.
Speaker AAnd thank all of you for sharing your time with Boomer Banter.
Speaker BThank you Wendy.
Speaker BIt was fun.
Speaker AThank you.