Welcome to another episode of Blueprints of Destruction, a podcast that is dedicated to

amplifying the work of grassroots movements and motivating people to take action themselves.

This week's episode is a great example of that. Just moments ago on July 29th, 2025, representatives

from the Arms Embargo Now movement held a press conference in Ottawa to announce the findings

of a report which contradicts The federal government has been saying about Canada's role in supplying

arms to the genocidal occupation forces. You likely won't be all that surprised, but you

will be enraged when you hear how much and how recently we've been sending lethal weaponry

over, all while our politicians pretend to condemn the violent outcomes they create. It

isn't just hypocrisy. This is outright lying and it's just the tip of the iceberg. Rachel

and Hanin are here to talk about exactly what's in the report, what it took to bring it to

light, and what they plan on doing with this information. Well, more accurately, what you

can do with this information. They make it clear that this is your report to run with. We've

included plenty of links in the show notes to get you started. Most importantly, There's

a link to register for a urgent movement meeting this week and other ways you can plug right

into this campaign to secure an actual arms embargo. For now, sit and listen and then

get organized. Good morning. Can you please introduce yourself starting with Hanin, please?

Hi, Jessa. My name is Hanin. I'm from the Palestinian Youth Movement. And for those who don't know

the PYM is the independent grassroots group that's led by young Palestinians and Arab across

the world, especially those living in exile due to the ongoing Israeli occupation and

colonization. And just to give a really, really quick background on what PYM does, we work

to mobilize and empower Palestinian youth through community organizing, sorry, organizing political

education, leadership building, cultural work. So yeah, in a few lines, this is who we are.

Hi, great to be back on this podcast. My name is Rachel Small. I'm the Canada lead with World

Beyond War. We're a global grassroots org taking on the military industrial complex, literally

trying to abolish war. Here across so-called Canada, we work really in solidarity with

people all around the world who are facing the blunt end of war, who are... in Gaza facing

Israeli machine guns, but also in Sudan, in Congo, in Ukraine. Our work over the past

21 months has been very focused on untangling the Canada-Israel arms trade. We recognized

a real lack of information in terms of government transparency, but also in terms of other research

to really trace Canada's role in arming Israel's genocide. And so that's been one of our key

focuses over the past... two years, I mean, and extending before that as well. One of

your key focuses, my chuckle was just, you already, the plate sounds so full. I mean,

you started with, we're trying to stop all war and, you know, plus, you know, here's how

we're doing it. Both of your organizations have your hands full. I, we already know what's

brought you together. Both your organizations have been on the show before, so I will link.

those ones that focused on what both of these organizations do, how they're made up, their

origin stories and whatnot, because they are intriguing. However, I have, I'm lucky actually

to have them both in the studio to talk about the most recent report that they are putting

out together. And I think folks are going to be shocked. I mean, I don't know how we can

continue to be shocked. But when it comes to Canada being complicit in the genocide, it's

a bit of a gray area, right? We're told one thing, we hear whispers of another, but you're

here to kind of lay it straight. Can you maybe, let's just kind of get it out. Let's hear

what you found out and then we'll find out how you found all of this out and what we're gonna

do about it. So essentially, The main goal of this report is actually to call out the

discrepancies between what Canada has been saying publicly versus what's actually happening

on the ground. The Canadian government clearly said that stopping military transfers to Israel.

An example is back in September 2024, then Foreign Minister Mélanie Joeddy said that

we will not have any form of arms or parts of arms sent to Gaza, period. You can't forget

the period. exactly. And what our researchers were able to find, tell the different story

of actually what's happening. So essentially, the report is going to be talking about military

related shipments that are still happening, still ongoing since October 2023 until this

very last week. I got only a little peek at some of There's a lot more, Yeah, I imagine...

Rachel, mentioned spending maybe thousands of hours on this collectively. And like I said,

I've got a little tidbit and that enraged me. You know, I'm looking through my notes and

it's things like half a million bullets. And I imagine the images that we've seen like instantly

in my mind. Like I feel such this visceral responsibility knowing that, and that's just

a tidbit of what you've unveiled. you let Jolie off the hook a little bit because she follows

with, you know, definitely period, nothing. And I don't care how they're being sent and

where they're being sent is irrelevant, you know, so no loopholes, she's going to shut

it down. And they did anything but yeah, so how let's see, how many arms are we sending

to the occupation forces? Millions, actually, millions and millions worth of arms that are

being sent. And we were able to actually find, so in the report, we're going to be talking

about two different methodologies of how we found these shipments. So the first one is

going to be really around actual shipping records. so shipping receipts that show that military

components are leaving Canadian ports, Canadian airports bound for the Zionist entity. Actually,

the majority of what we found is going to Ovid Systems, which is Israel's largest weapons

manufacturer in Israel. Because that's my first question, right? How do you get receipts? You're

talking really receipts. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, it's basically just shipping records that

were made available to our researchers. So this is where we've been able to gather these

receipts. So the second methodology is really about information that we found online on

the Israeli Tax Authority website, which essentially it's like a government website that deals with

custom taxes, imports, exports. So basically, I guess we can compare it to Canada Revenue

Agency. So it's part of the Israeli Minister of Finance and one of its jobs is to track

records, everything that enters the country, including military goods. So we've been able

to go on the website. and actually extract everything leaving from Canada to Israel from 2023 to

2025. And one of the highlights that we've been able to gather is that since August alone,

August 2023, has shipped over 10 million bullets to Israel. And if we're talking about purely

2025, we have nearly half a million bullets sent. And just to... you know, make it even

crazier is that in April alone, just this, this April 2025, we've sent 175,000 worth of bullets

to design this entity. So those are all public information that we've been able to, you know,

anyone can go on the website, extract the information and you can see clearly that these are military

goods. And the way we're able to, prove that these are military goods is because they're

all classified with a HS code, which is a harmonized system code. And this is also a classification

that Canada uses as well. So in the report, you're going to see like, okay, 93 is going

to be weapons, bombs, grenades, for example. And as you go into details, it'll be more specific

to what the actual shipment is. So we've been able to track a few of them that are literally

bullets being sent. did they ever think they would get away with such public facing statements?

You mentioned Jolie, but Carney repeatedly also has said, absolutely not. I mean, bullets

are weapons, right? Like there's, you know, components, that whole argument. Rachel, you

were on before and talked about how they tried to walk around the idea that it was just like

components for drones and that doesn't make us so bad. And, you know, without all the

other parts, know, everyone else is doing it. They'd have to put it together, but these are

bullets. And you've been able to find the information. with relatively limited resources. Why isn't

the Canadian media picked up on this themselves considering this has been a topic of discussion?

Those politicians have been pushed many times. I'm mad. I can hear my voice cracking. Many

times on whether or not we are still sending, right? They have heckled protesters who have

disrupted events, yelling over them, we have an embargo. just placating the liberals in

Canada, mean, liberal voters, they're just trying to get them to forget about it, right? Like,

just forget about it. Don't worry, we stopped anything that we're responsible for. Any theories

here on how they thought they would hide this? And I guess that's tied into my like, isn't

the media picking up on this? Why did you folks have to dig this up? Honestly, I don't know

if they know that this is actually like if the Israeli tax authority data actually has this

type of information. to quite honest. So that's my personal opinion on that matter. They're

going to be surprised. Yeah, because honestly, I've, you know, it's actually, we went through

it, me and Rachel, it's not the easiest data to go through. You know, it's not just, you

know, you go on a page and it's all beautifully laid out for you. So it's, you're still doing

some digging and finding that data on the website. So I, yeah, I just don't think it's very publicized.

And people just, I guess, wouldn't expect it to be so public, right? I we also were surprised

to even be able to get our hands on this kind of data. I mean, yeah, so the Israeli import

data is publicly available. But what's publicly available is like literally millions of lines

of spreadsheet data documenting all the exports to all the imports to Israel from all countries

around the world of every product from like. bananas to screws to bombs to toys to so it's

it's an enormous amount of work to parse through that data and find anything meaningful and

especially to pull out specifically military exports from Canada to Israel which are not

conveniently labeled like hey these are the military exports you're looking for. It'll

color-code it for you. No and it's in Hebrew so the Israeli a lot of it is in Hebrew so

a lot of the Israeli data is publicly available data but data that takes hundreds of hours

of parsing through to find this information. But I think broader what we're talking here

that this data is showing to speak kind of to your question, Jessa, is that like since October

2023, like as Israel's genocide became more obvious, as movement pressure built, as pressure

built between with lawsuits, with international legal mechanisms, even within parliament, the

Canadian government really just began to like systematically obfuscate, misrepresent, and

sometimes fully lie about the nature of Canada's arms trade relationship with Israel, right?

And that, like you said, has looked like different things every month. It has been a new thing

from them every month. They've tried to downplay the lethality. of these goods or like you're

saying that's like, oh, these are just components as though like the part of a fighter jet that

bonds people is like not lethal only the entire jet as a whole is lethal. Like it was, was

kind of obviously nonsense, but that was one angle. Another angle is that they made huge

hay out of their announcement that we have paused issuing any new export permits to Israel. They

said this over and over and over. They passed a bill. Am I crazy? They add a motion, a non-binding

motion, was passed by parliament and they said they would respect it and then they sort of

made this big deal announcement. We're not issuing any new export permits to Israel, which I should

say was a significant thing to do. Made the Israeli government extremely mad, made international

headlines around the world. It was an important step we forced them to do. And it's good that

they stopped issuing any new permits, but what they conveniently failed to mention is that

they had just approved hundreds of new permits in the first three months of the genocide.

Right before their January pause, December, November, October, they were busy pushing through

tons of approvals and those permits that had already been approved, they didn't cancel those,

right? So what this report really shows is, hey, those permits that we've been calling

you out on, for over a year that you didn't cancel before your big pause, we now see what

those permits allowed for. And they allowed for just this constant shipment of military

goods unending up to this week from Canada to Israel. And it is everything from fighter jet

parts, communications tools, electronic warfare systems, to ammunition and cartridges and bullets.

It's extremely damning. data that's in this report. And I mean, it really shows the lengths

the Canadian government went to conceal Canada's role in Israel's genocide in Gaza. And really,

you can pick any government statement, I think, about the arms exports to Israel over the past

21 months. And I think this report would debunk it. Even for me, who was one of the folks

who founded the Arms and Margo Now campaign a year ago and has been coordinating it since.

who knows that the Canadian government has been lying about these arms exports and we've been

sharing with the public and with our communities, like, hey, they're not telling the truth about

it. Even for me, this report was shocking. I did not expect to see more than nearly half

a million bullets exported, bullets from Canada to Israel since October 2023. I did not expect

to see... F-35 parts going directly from Canada to Israel. We thought they were all going via

the US. And I should really point out that this, the data in this report is a snapshot.

We make no claims that we caught all the shipments. We know we didn't. We know that what we caught

was a snapshot. We caught, like Hamin said, 47 detailed shipping records. So those are

like commercial shipping records that say, X package. left this factory on this date and

went to, not just Israel, like went to this Elbit facility in Tel Aviv on this date. So

we've got 47 of those really detailed receipts. There are hundreds of shipments. We only got

47. So we will never say this is the full picture. But what this snapshot shows is damning and

shows that the Canadian government's been lying. Makes you wonder what else we don't know, right?

You know about the loopholes to the US or other states that eventually end up in Israel. You

know you probably missed some line items amongst these millions of records. And then there's

like, what don't we know? What doesn't have a tax trail? Do you think the Canadian military

is aiding the Israeli army in a way that they're not being forthright about? Are they, are

all of these shipments commercial shipments? Meaning going through commercial routes? So

that's, yeah, that's a really, really good question is that I think we've been able to identify

nearly 100 international flights between those 47 shipments that we found. about 64, believe,

or about 60 of them are commercial passenger, like commercially passenger air flights. So

that means that military cargo was literally loaded beneath every traveler, on their families,

on their students, know, on the people just going, trying to get from one place to another.

You know, so, and honestly, that really makes me sick because it just shows how invisible

this kind of violence can be. It's hidden in plain sight. So yeah, to answer your question,

most of them are commercial aircrafts. Airline, sorry. So just to underline that point, like

one shipment that we found shows F-35 fighter jet parts. flying on an Air Canada flight from

Halifax to Toronto and then Toronto to Frankfurt. So these are flights with like people in Canada

getting on a plane to fly to Germany and turns out under their seats were literal parts of

F-35 fighter jets going directly to Elbit in Israel. Yeah, I think it speaks for itself.

It's invisible, but it's also so normalized in that way. Like it's just part of like the

mail, right? Like it's just part of regular everyday business in Canada is shipping arms

to an illegal occupation. I do want to answer your question about the military connections

though, because I think that's a really important question. So I mean, there's no doubt that

I mean, obviously the relationship between Canada and Israel is very different from the relationship

between US and Israel. So unlike the US where in addition to selling mountains of weapons

to Israel, the US military is also just constantly donating. For lack of a, I mean, there's many

words they use. Military aid is like literally just donating their equipment and their military

technology and supplies. They're so generous. To Israel. To the best of our knowledge,

Canada is not doing that, though they have been doing that to Ukraine. And I think the reason

Canada is not doing that is because of the pressure from our movements. Which is not to say that

what they have been doing is not bad, but truly I think it could be much worse. And I think

it's a testament to our organizing. Organizing of many, frankly hundreds of thousands of people

across the country. that has stopped them from taking a more blatantly active role in

arming Israel. And the Canadian government has a number of times said, oh, we're not sending

weapons to Israel. They're from Canadian companies, which I don't think is an excuse that has landed

with anybody at all. But what they're referring to is that the Canadian government is not gifting

weapons to Israel. They're just selling Canadian weapons to Israel. That said, there are other

types of partnerships that are a real problem. Don't worry, we're making a profit. But there's

other types of partnerships that are a real problem and that we don't know enough about.

Like Canada, for example, has the Canada-Israel Strategic Partnership, which they have not

suspended, and which includes a commitment to share military intelligence for military cooperation

and work together for joint training exercises for intelligence coordination. Like that's

a partnership that the Canadian military still has with the Israeli military. We also have

seen Israeli weapons and technology systems being tested on Canadian bases, as in Israeli

weapons companies have been welcomed into these training sessions on Canadian bases where new

technology gets to be tried out by the military. So there's a whole bunch of levels of partnership

between the Canadian military and the Israeli military beyond just the export of weapons.

But this is a really big piece. It's huge. It's huge. it's, you keep mentioning, like it seems

heinous to think of it operating like that, like a business, but that's exactly what it

is, right? Yeah. It is just a business that, well, cause when we're trying to, well, there's

lots of reasons Canada is propping up a genocide with our own history and all the roles that

we play, but Yeah, it's just, it's also a business. There's profits to be made and cutting off

those profits is sometimes one of the hardest things to do. However, you know the ports

and the airports these shipments are leaving from now. That's always handy. We're always

looking for pressure points. A lot of those workers in those areas tend to be in unions

loading aircraft and preparing. the ports for shipments and whatnot. I think to, what

else can we do with this information as well as shaming the politicians? What are you going

to do with this report? So we do have a rollout plan. haven't touched, I mean, I think we're

working on labor on this side. Maybe Rachel, you can talk more about that. But we do plan

on having press conference, we're going to have town halls, we'll have direct actions,

and all of that will come right after the report. the community will be able to do something,

they won't just be angry in their own homes, but they'll be able to actually go out in

the streets and protest. So one of the actions that we would want to take is maybe mobilizing

at General Dynamics because in those 47 shipments that were talking about, there are three shipments

that went out, one in September 2024, one in May 2025, and one just, you know, a week, less

than a week ago. And those are all shipments of cartridges that, you know, we have bills

of ladings for cartridges leaving General Dynamics, from Repentini, going directly to the Zionist

state. So this, think, is going to cause outrage, for sure. I'm mad. Yeah. No. What are the

other... You mentioned general dynamics. Sometimes people are really shocked to learn. I know

when we did Rachel's episode, we included like this kind of interactive map that you had put

together. People are shocked that some of these companies are right next to them in smaller

communities sometimes, or some of these ports are nearer to them than they think. Like everything

seems so out of reach for us. we're watching it through the screen, but then you find out,

you know, weapons manufacturer is actually just a 30 minute drive from you. I mean, there's

lots of people can do with that information, but what are the other companies that were

prominent in the receipts? I just first say for those listening to this podcast right away,

this Thursday, July 31st, we're holding a big urgent movement briefing. And that is where

we'll be sharing this report in detail with our movements, with our people, and going through

what it means, and also showing these maps that show where are the shipments that we identified

coming from, but also what does the broader web look like of companies that we know across

Canada are arming Israel. We've got some maps of the routes that are being taken on these

flights as well. So that will be really a chance for people across the country to dig in. at

the bigger picture, but also locally. Like, what does this complicity look like? Like you

said, right in my backyard. And on that call, we'll also be emphasizing what I said earlier,

which is, look, these 47 specific shimmins that we found, unfortunately, this is not the picture

of all the complicit companies. These are the ones we happened to spot, and they include

some major companies like General Dynamics, like CAE, like Pratt & Whitney, and they include

some local. like mom and pop electrical shops in the greater Toronto area that frankly a

majority of their business is probably not to do with the weapons industry, but here they

are exporting some key components to Elbit Systems. But these 47 shipments, again, just a snapshot

and they don't show. the full picture that we've uncovered in other ways of what are all

the other companies in Canada that we know are arming Israel and that we know are exporting

weapons, even if we didn't manage to grab the literal shipping receipt on a particular day.

But I'll let Hanin jump in on some of the other kind of companies that are featured here.

Yeah, so we've named seven major major cities that are shipping. these military components.

So we have Montreal, we have Halifax, Calgary, Vancouver, the GTA, Waterloo and Ottawa.

And, you know, Rachel mentioned a few of them like CAE, there's Tilia, there's Nexia, there's

InnerCorp. You have the little companies that she was talking about, like AM rubber and foam

and foam gaskets. So it's like little component. that are, you know, are being sent. And but

honestly, whatever it may be, whether it's a sheet or insulation or whatever it is, it's

still part of, you know, the, you know, the broad, the broader military, maybe jets, you

know, or drones. So every little detail is, you know, is a Canadian company supporting

the ongoing genocide in Gaza. But yeah, even CMC, Pratt & Whitney, those are those are

pretty huge. So there's a lot of companies that were named actually in those 47 shipments.

You're to be able to see the companies where it's coming from, where it's going to in Israel.

And like we've said before, the majority of them are going to go to Elbit system. So this

is a clear indicator that these are going to the largest weapons manufacturer in Israel.

You're going to see when they're leaving exactly, when they're arriving, what airlines, the

airline flights. So it's going to be extremely detailed and very, hard for the government

to deny any of this because one of the columns that you're going to see in those tables is

the goods description. So you're going to see military aircraft, you're going to see antennas,

sensors, all components that are what makes these, for example, these jets operate and

take off safely and be able to target to be able to have those sensors. So yeah, we're

going to be doing a very deep dive into what these components are and how they're being

used. So we mentioned a study case around the F-35. And for those who don't know, but I

think the majority of people know, but since October, 2023, Israel has been carrying out

what we can call a genocide from the sky. At the center of this campaign is the F-35

fighter jet, which can carry over, I think it was nine tons of bombs, is enough to,

I guess enough firepower to wipe out entire neighborhoods. And that's what they've been

doing, wiping out neighborhoods, refugee camps, homes, hospitals, and even so-called safe

zone. So in that section of the case study, we're going to talk about how Canadian companies

are deeply tied to this weapons of mass destruction, which was the F-35. And even when you go on

Lockheed Martin's website, they boast about the fact that $2.3 million worth of Canadian-made

parts are put into these fighter jets. And amongst these companies, we're going to be

naming NexSci Canada, which are shipping a device which is called a a modular product

tester. And essentially what it is, is that it helps test all electrical components of

the system of the F-35. So that way it's clear for action. So in other words, it makes sure

that every bomb drops, every bomb dropped and missile strike goes as planned. So that's

one of the companies that we're naming in the case study and that we have shipping data

on. Another one is going to be CMIC Electronics. which send what we call dobs for navigation

sensors. And this essentially gives a jet ultra precise guidance, which is the cruel irony

is that despite being called precision, this has killed over 60,000 Palestinians since October

2023. And then lastly, we're going to talk about Stelia in more depth because Stelia has contracts.

with Elbit in order to build these components and parts that are actually going on the

F-35's body. So yeah, so essentially without these, the jet can't fly off the ground. So

it just shows how every single, you know, how Canadian companies are complicit. And we're

choosing three amongst the ones that have shipped, you know, weapon components to Israel. I

would imagine some of the smaller companies might be easier to lean on as well. They wouldn't

like this kind of exposure for selling, you even even these tiny non-lethal components

that you've laid out are actually quite lethal in themselves. But it gives me hope to hear

that sometimes these little bits have huge implications, meaning you don't necessarily have to stop

the whole plane, uh, everyone doing their part bit by bit, you know, making it even more difficult

to fly each and every run makes a difference, right? Because you're not, this isn't isolated

to Canada. There are activists in all the Western nations kind of putting these pressures on.

We've seen Palestinian action in the UK, damage facilities and successfully damaged drones

there, know, doing their bit by bit. yeah, no hearing that sometimes it is the mom and

pop. I go, well, surely. Surely even like a successful TikTok campaign would perhaps shut

some of these folks down or at least get them to change the way that they do business. I

mean, it's also maddening, though, to think that the big guys, I don't know, you're kind

of like, yeah, evil. But how small folks couldn't turn down a little bit of profit to not fund

a genocide, I don't think I could understand. I mean, I don't understand the other guys anyway,

but I thought I. it would be a deterrent even just with political distaste. know, forget

maybe you don't have morals, you don't care about people on the other side of the earth

for whatever reason. But why would you step into this madness and fund this if you weren't

100 % sure that you weren't contributing to a genocide? I mean, I had a restaurant down

the street had Israeli couscous on their takeout menu and I was like, next, like, no. Like

you don't have to list that in this day and age like are you kidding me? That's a seasonal

menu I will never go there again. Like what are you doing? How can you not take like the

smallest little stand at this point? But you know, that's them Our real anger really should

be the Canadian government, right? They're supposed to be mediating this Unhinged capitalism, but

we elected a banker but that banker just said I mean, this is as far as they've really gone,

I think, in language calling Israel's actions, he means the denial of aid, not the bombing,

or they have 35s, a violation of international law. So already they have obligations to not

be sending weapons to Israel, right? Because they've been ruling after ruling, they are

actively contributing to something they're obligated to stop. But now they themselves,

are calling what Israel's doing a violation of international law. And even if we're just

talking about cartridges and bullets, surely that's part of that denial. Yeah. Can I jump

in though as well on those other really two key pressure points that you mentioned earlier

that we didn't get to talk about? So one was labor and unions. And I'd love to just jump

in on that because I think it's a really key point. So as you mentioned, yeah, now that

we have some specific information about some of the factories that have been doing, from

which some of these shipments are leaving to Israel and also the methods of transport, it

does highlight the role of workers, most of which are not unionized, some of which are.

And I mean, one thing that's been really, that I've really enjoyed about working on the

Arms and Margo Now campaign is that a number of the biggest unions in the country are signatories

and have been allies in this. and are demanding an arms embargo, mostly public sector unions,

although interestingly, including CAPE, which unionizes the workers who approve the weapons

permits or work on the weapons permits. Federal workers, you mean? Yes. Yeah. But also, you

know, there's a whole bunch of unions that are part of it. But notably, I mean, a bunch

of these factories are are Unifor factories, are Unifor shops where the weapons identified

the shipments in this in this report. or identified, I mean, Unifor just, I think it was a month

ago, finally put out frankly a really powerful statement demanding an arms embargo on Israel.

So I see this as a really important opportunity for Unifor to step up and to continue to step

up and say, look, we called for an arms embargo a month ago. Now we see that some of our Unifor

shops are directly implicated in some of these shipments. And we as workers have real power

here to stop these shipments, to take a stand. I see it as a real opportunity for Unifor

in that case to match its strong words with real action on the ground. But frankly also,

as you mentioned, there are workers across the transportation lines. So this report does

reveal, as Hanin mentioned, many, many, many commercial flights on many different airlines

leaving all the main airports in the country. So there's the airport workers, the airline

workers, but then also there's shipments by rail on CN Rail leaving out of the port in

Halifax. So these are other spaces of intervention for workers. And of course, many on trucks

going on Canadian highways. So I think there are like a lot of points of intervention, which

I'm excited about. But then the other thing is once these flights leave Canada, many of

them are being trans-shipped, or trans-shipment is what's called through Europe and through

other cities around the world. But I mention Europe specifically because the EU has quite

strict requirements on what needs to be declared if you're shipping weapons through European

airports, or in fact, even flying it over EU airspace. And I was just speaking last week

with an activist from Belgium where just a couple weeks ago they had an incredible court

victory where a regional court declared that no weapons to Israel could go through a port

in Belgium. And what they didn't have at the time, those activists, is evidence that weapons

were also going through Belgian airports. So what they're hoping is that this is just kind

of one offshoot from this report, but they're hoping that the evidence we've shown that there's

weapons that fly through the airport in Liège that that will be what they need to be able

to get a ban on these weapons also flying through Belgian airports. we really, I mean, the weapons

industry and the flow of weapons is obviously global and obviously defies any of the border

restrictions that any government is talking about putting in. Like these weapons fly effortlessly

across borders, but so do our movements, right? And we are, as you mentioned, connected to

activists all over the world. And we don't stop feeling responsible for these weapons

the second they leave Canadian airspace, right? And we just kind of pass the... I don't want

to say the responsibility, we we passed kind of the load of organizing against these weapons

onto our friends in other countries when they go there and they're ready to pick that up

and to see what they can do to stop these shipments too. Just think of it. You've given your

Belgian comrades points of intervention that they may have been lacking. You know, they

got a victory. They need another goal. They they're looking for other ways to contribute.

So yeah, let it not be a burden to them. let them roll with this information and I

imagine you're hoping a lot of folks are going to pick up with this information. I'll include

links to the urgent movement briefing on Thursday so folks will have plenty of time to listen

to this but then really get the meat and potatoes from all the work you Henin have done. Just

describing the database kind of gave me a headache trying to think of going through all of that

information. And I imagine maybe other activists in other countries are looking at what you've

done. I had a question there, answer it don't answer it. Did you give Unifor a heads up?

Yeah, know we are in communication with the unions, especially the ones that have been

kind of calling for an arms embargo. And yeah, we are in communication about them with them

about this report. And we hope that they will be able to use this information and mobilize

their membership and go through their processes to take real action based on it. I obviously

can't speak to what they will do, but yeah, we would consider all of these workers and

these unions allies in this struggle. And we each have our lane where we can take action

on this. And I think workers are a key one. And I should also, of course, give a shout

out to Labour for Palestine, which has been doing such amazing work organizing with unions

and with labour over the last... 21 months especially, and they're a key part of this

report as well. Hanine, what did you learn putting this report together other than the

horrors you're going to spell out for folks and the stuff that we're going to get mad about?

But I mean, like talking to other activists who sometimes have to do this kind of tedious

long-term work when everything seems so urgent, right? This took a long time. At some point,

you wanted to just tell everybody every little bit you found. But you folks, that's hours

and hours and months and held on to this and crafted something, a real tool for a lot of

people to use. Do you have any lessons you can share with us? Listen, it really did take a

lot of time. It took a lot of energy. But at end of the day, it's, you know, for the longest

time, you know, I think we've all felt very hopeless, you know, like, what can we do? So

this, honestly, to me, putting all this energy, I didn't Like I felt it, but I can say that

every single second of it was worth it because this is the least that we can do during, you

know, these, you know, what's happening in Gaza. It's, don't know, lessons. I think what

I learned is that if we push hard enough, the information is out there. And I'm really excited

to work, to keep working on more things coming, because this is not going to be the end of

it, you know, unfortunately. I want to keep this going. We want to keep this going as

a team. we want to be able to, if the government says another statement, want to be able to

keep, we want to make sure that this is the truth. You know what I mean? So in the report,

Rachel is going to talk about all of the lies and chronologically, and every single time

we show them something, they come up with another lie to try to hide what we've, you know what

I mean? So I just want to make sure that we reach a point where this is no longer. And

until this happens, we don't want to stop what we're doing. Well, you do eventually, right?

mean, one day we can rest, Yeah, one day, hopefully. But I think like Hanine alluded to further

research, and I think it's really important to highlight, like all of the research and

the revelations in this report is just about direct military exports. from Canada to Israel

when we know that's only one of kind of three big parts of an arms embargo, right? Like there's

these direct exports and that's all this report touches on. But then like you also alluded

to earlier, Jessa, there's a whole second pie of the indirect exports that weapons of Canada

sells to the US and then the US either gifts or sells that to Israel. This report doesn't

even dig into that, but we have plans on that. And then the third whole piece that this report

doesn't touch on is all the Canada is buying. from Israel. So we're showing, hey, look at

all these things Canada is selling to Elbit. We haven't even touched on yet what is Canada

buying from Elbit? Like how are we flowing Canadian, in this case taxpayer dollars, by Canadian

military but also Canadian police forces buying tons of military equipment from Israel. This

doesn't even get into those two pieces. So there's lots more to uncover. But I mean, one thing

I want to say though about this research and this report is that I think it is a really

shocking amount of information about these exports, but on its own, this information is not going

to change what the Canadian government does. What we need this report to do is to generate

a political crisis for the Canadian government. And that's our purpose as movement organizations.

Like PYM and World Beyond Web, we're not like research think tanks, right? Like if we're

these hours into a report, it's because we need it to change Canada's material support for

Israel genocide. And the only way that's going to happen with this report is if our movements

take it out. Like I really want to speak to, yeah, again, like there's more than 450 organizations

at this point that have endorsed the Arms Embargo Now campaign. And I know that there's like

hundreds of thousands of people across the country who are waiting for these updates. This is

your report, right? This belongs to all of those people. And it is only gonna create an arms

embargo. It's only gonna actually stop the flow of weapons if everyone takes this up and uses

the info in it to hold the Canadian government. beat to the fire. And we know that kind of

pressure can force them to act. But the report on its own, unfortunately, the truth, the information,

like we have decades of social movement history to know that the truth on its own doesn't create

change. It's when people mobilize the truth to put real pressure on the government that

change happens. So I hope that everyone will consider this their report and will run with

it, whether that's confronting their local MPs. whether that's, as Haneen mentioned,

perhaps showing up at some of their local weapons factories. And we'll have lots of ideas of

what people can do with this report on Thursday's call. And if anyone's listening to this podcast

and Thursday's call has passed, all of the info is at armsembargonow.ca slash report. So the

report is there, the information on the urgent briefing is there. If the briefing has already

happened, the recording will also be there. I can only imagine you have some suggested

actions. I would like to see what didn't make the final cut. know, things we could do, things

we want to do, things we're legally allowed to do, other. Yeah, I look forward to seeing

the report in its entirety. I will link as much information as as you release it. We will feed

it into the show notes. for folks just looking to click and end up at World Beyond War's website

or Palestinian youth movement. usually steer folks towards your Instagram. It's full of

actions constantly happening right across the country. Do you folks have any parting words?

I would say I hope that everyone, you know, feels as infuriated as we do and that, you

know, people reach out. I think we're also going to have an email on the arms embargo

website. So if they have any questions, anything like that, we'll answer any questions that

may be. And to support Sarah, talk about it, because this is what's going to really

make a difference, like Rachel said. would be nice if everyone had that in their pocket,

you know, for when they tried to that line, we don't sell arms and everyone just knew in

the back of their head. No, we know you do. know, like that just doesn't fly anymore.

They're going to have to either retool their argument or stop. Yeah. Right. So yeah, we

will do our best to amplify this and all the work that you do. And I very much appreciate

all the work that you do and your comrades behind you. Thank you so much. That is a wrap on

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