Tina. Tina Hills, welcome to the QVC podcast.

Dr. Tina Hills: So happy to be here with you today. I've been

waiting for this.

Oh, I'm so excited. It's going to be really fun.

You know, when you went through the program over

at iaqb, you brought so much energy and

experience and amazing stuff to the table. So I'm

glad. I'm excited to dig into it.

Dr. Tina Hills: Well, you filled a very large gap. You brought

everything together with the information that you

provide when you start looking at the full

spectrum of health. And so, man, I was glad to

find you.

Oh, I'm so glad because. And that was. That's

exactly it. Right? It's just like, it's just that

program is just meant to be like a bridge for

people like you who have so many pieces. And then

it's like, okay, there's just this, like, there's

some fundamentals that some brilliant people have

figured out that, I mean, I don't teach it above

my pay grade, but I want all of you to learn it.

And yeah, people come in and if that's their gap

that they're missing, it's like, oh, and they're

supercharged with like all the stuff that they've

been studying for years.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yes, yes.

Amazing. So, okay, so you are an md, ER doc.

Dr. Tina Hills: I'm a do do.

Okay.

Dr. Tina Hills: Plus. But yeah, I'm a do.

Explain. Explain how that all works.

Dr. Tina Hills: Your traditional background, osteopathy, broke

off of the allopathic back in the 1800s because

the gentleman who started it said, you guys are

killing my family with your poisons. I got to

figure out how to heal the body. And so when you

go through osteopathic school, you go through the

standard medical training, but it's a more of a.

You're open to a little more holistic and hands

on. So you learn about 40 different techniques in

how to work with the body manually. You still

learn all the pharmacology, all the

pathophysiology exactly the same. And then you,

when you get out of residency, you can either

attend an allopathic residency or an osteopathic

residency. So you just have more options, more

training.

Oh, that is so cool. Because. So I just assumed

because you worked in an ER that you had an md. I

did not know that you could be a do and be

working in er. That is cool.

Dr. Tina Hills: We have full rights in the US and most of the

world. We do. There's a couple places where you

don't, but yeah, it's full rights.

Amazing. Okay, so how so. So you chose to do the

osteopathic residency route. And then. And then

what happened? And how did you even end up there?

And why were you even like, yes, osteopathy?

Dr. Tina Hills: Because I didn't go to medical school until I was

32. I was, you know, I was in exercise

physiology. I was a semi professional athlete in

powerlifting. And as my career started to come to

an end in the powerlifting, I had to say, man.

And then I got a master's degree in computer

sciences while I was doing that. So I was working

in the real world.

We've got a polymath on our hands, people. Okay?

Dr. Tina Hills: My brother said, you're not too old to go back.

So I went back to school. And then because of my

age, I'm like, I got to get a job where I go to

work and go home. I don't want to be in a clinic.

I don't want to be tied to a pager. So I said,

oh, let me do er. And so ER is super amazing

because our specialty is trauma and

resuscitation. That's our true specialty. But by

training, we have to be a jack of all trades,

because you have to be able to take care of

anything that walks in the er, and you have to

know enough to speak to your consultants and the

admitting physicians. And so you have to have

this real wide breadth of information. When I.

When I started all this, I was, you know, you're

really gung ho. You're all into the drama and

trauma, and as you get to this side of it, you're

like, I'm done with that part. How do we actually

help ourselves now? And so that's what drove me.

And I had a. In 2019, I just hit the point where

I had the perfect job, I had the perfect house, I

had the perfect partner. And everything came

crashing down because our nice little hospital

was bought out by a conglomerate. And I had. I

came home from work every day questioning, why am

I having to use childhood survival skills to go

through work? And that put me on this big, long

path now it's been five years now of who am I and

why am I here? And those are the two fundamental

questions that you have to get to if you start a

healing journey. Because you are not your job.

You are not the person that. You're your parent.

You are a parent, but that's not who you are.

It's just a. A role you play. And it really put

me down onto this. Like, how? Why am I doing

this? I have to back up one second, though,

because the Very first lesson I learned was from

my spouse when I learned it was okay to be happy.

Oh, anything started, it's such a big one, happy

for no reason. And I learned that lesson just

before these other very harsh ones came along

because I had to know the contrast. If I had not

learned that it's okay, I would have stayed in

the oh, wo is me. I'm just fighting the fight.

But it made me know that no, things are

different. We can treat people differently, we

can feel differently about ourselves. And it was

about that time that ayahuasca first came around

my on my email and came in calling, knocking on

my door. And it took me about two years to go do

that. In the meantime, I was dealing with my own

traumas and how, learning how to get it out of my

body, how to start healing my body with what I

ate and things like that. And so it just kind of

moved down this nice spectrum of I'm either going

to manage my decline, because when I started

this, I was almost 50 pounds overweight, blood

pressure pushing, blood pressure pushing,

diabetes, incredibly unhealthy. So I said, I'm

either going to manage my decline or I have got

to change what I'm looking at and say, how do I

create health? Because it's two completely

different ends of the spectrum, completely

different thought pattern. When we came onto the

to the quantum biology, I had been looking at it

for a little bit before I found you guys, and it

just started making logical sense. When you look

at the pharmacology and things like, it makes

sense to make you feel better in short term, but

when you're sitting in the ER after 20 years

almost, we figured out probably about a hundred

thousand patients, probably two to three times

that in family members. 10,000 deaths that I've

had the honor of being with, and I've had my own

near death. And so when you start to move from

this perspective of I know all these things are

going on, and then you find something in the

plant medicine world that shows you the rest of

the energy and the importance of the energy. Then

you want to come back and put it all together and

say, here, this is how you can do this in

something called integration. Integration is

where you simply take all your lessons and start

applying it to your life. So what the. When I

went, we started our program, we said, we sat

down because my spouse is an ER nurse. We sat

down and we said, okay, how do we combine these

two things? These have to merge because the

knowledge is here. They're just not taking it far

enough. To heal anyone. And so we started out

with, well, when somebody comes in with a code,

how do we get them to be alive if they're dead?

When they get to us, how do we make them come

alive? You know, because everything's on a

spectrum. They're not dead dead yet. They're just

dead. We can still get them back if that makes

dead.

Ish. Not fully dead. Okay.

Dr. Tina Hills: And so what we did. Excuse me, what we did is we

said, okay, the very first thing that we have to

do when someone comes into the error is create

coherence. Very first thing. Because when someone

goes into a cardiac arrest, their heart is not

beating in a proper rhythm. We have to get that

rhythm back. Nothing can happen in the body

without a heartbeat. You can have a heartbeat

with no breath, but you cannot have it the other

way around. And so we said, okay, how do we

create coherence? And so we went through all

these, this deep dive into what creates coherence

in the body and put it in our program. And then

we looked at, you know, the quantum biology,

circadian rhythm. And so we just got, we were

just able to meld them together to, and help

people shift their perspective from that decline

to the incline. Both of them are hard, they're

both work. But the, the work of becoming healthy

is so much more fun and so much more benefit to

the outcome of your life that you forget about

this other stuff and you won't, you just won't.

You won't do it anymore. And as simple as that,

I, I.

Really like this framing of it, managing the

decline versus investing in your health, because

I think it does a lot of things. One of the

things is like, we're so often told like, oh, oh,

you're having that happen. Yeah, you're in your

30s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah, you're

in your 40s. Oh, you're having that happen. Yeah,

you're getting old. Oh, you're. And it's like,

yeah, like all of these symptoms we're told are

just quote, unquote, normal. And it's like, just

because. What's the phrase? Just because it's

common doesn't mean it's normal.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

And so that would be the managing of the decline.

Right. It's like nothing we can do. This stuff's

just all going to happen. Want, want, want. But.

And then sometimes the bridge out of that into

the other one you're talking about, where we were

creating our health is through trying to manage

symptoms. But you're right, it's a huge Mind

shift. It's not just like, oh, I'm going to get

to the root cause to fix this symptom. Then it's

like once you're down at the root, you got to

move over to that other side. And then you stop

doing things like expecting every practitioner

you meet to be the last one you'll ever need in

your life. And start to realize that this is like

an ongoing non linear lifetime journey.

Dr. Tina Hills: Just like we do not age linearly. We cut, we're

coming around, we start our slow decline around

44 is what they say, you have a clunk, I drop and

you have another rose around 60. But if you look

at that, that's right at the time when most

people really start having symptoms, in that

early 40s to mid-40s, you start having symptoms,

you start to realize, oh my gosh, I can't do what

I used to do. But let me tell you now, that heart

attack, that stroke, all of those things that

you're having in your 50s and 60s started when

you were 20. They did not start when you were 50.

It was, it's not a shock. It's not a shock to

anyone except for who it happened to because it's

been going on. We could have told you back at 20

you were going to have this heart attack, but you

wouldn't listen, you know, and so it's just

funny, it's how you start to bring things

together with that. But, you know, and we figured

out that nobody is going to heal you. You are

fully responsible for your state of being. And

it's not just your physical state of being, it's

your emotional, it's your spiritual, which I

don't mean religious in that, I mean like your,

your connection with yourself and the divine and

your energetic. You have to take care of those

things. Not just your mental and your physical,

but we also need to learn that our mind is simply

a computer processor and that our body is driving

the show. Because your body holds trauma, your

fascia. We are a fascia being. We are made of

fascia. That's all we are. With a bunch of, with

some organs, it suspends some organs. It's water

fashion that makes water, makes fascia mixed up

with a little sand, you know, that's all we are.

And so you have to consider, I'm an energetic

being. How do I feed my energetic being? How do I

clear that? And that's where that plant medicine

has really brought in the tools and how to clear.

Because when you go, when you start to heal

yourself, we really want to focus on if you

really back up. Global view, hydration,

remineralization, detoxification on those five

levels. And then you. We give stem cells to give

somebody a really big boost and turn around in

that health. It really pops you over that little

hole, that heel that you get to. But integration

and support, you're the one that has to do it

all. It is a solo journey. You cannot take it by

yourself. You can't. You need help, you need

support. You need guidance for someone who's been

there. You need somebody on your side that's

saying, man, are you sure you want to eat that

hamburger today? Because that may not be the best

for you. People that call you out on your junk,

you got triggered. The trigger tells you where

you need to heal. It's not the fact that you got

triggered. That's no problem. Turn it around on

yourself and say, okay, why was I triggered? How

did that make me feel? Where was it in my body?

When's the first time I felt that? Take it all

the way back and then put your hands on your body

and say, man, I'm sorry you had to go through

that. I'm sorry you had to go through that. And

be kind to yourself. This. You know, I really.

Biohacking is a big thing right now. I don't

particularly care for the term because I think

we're really moving out of the state of fear and

pushing and driving and into this state of love

and kindness and support. So we try to push

people back over to this, just like we do for

that health. Because when you're in that bubble

of health, that's what you feel and that's what

you have.

So you've mentioned plant medicine and

specifically ayahuasca. So tell me a little bit

more. Like, what was your impression of it before

you did your deep dive? How did you change your

mind about it when? What happened when you tried

it? Because it sounds like some things.

Dr. Tina Hills: It is. It is an experience. So, like I said, we

had. It was introduced to me. It just came across

on Instagram or email. I can't even remember what

it came, but I just saw it. And I was like, oh,

that's really interesting. I wonder what that is.

And I looked it up and I said, okay, well, that

sounds interesting. Put it away. Didn't think

about it again. Two years later, it was over and

over. And so we say that it's calling you. It was

calling me to come visit. We went down to Costa

Rica to a resort there and participated in the

ceremonies with Taido Juanito he's out of

Colombia. He's one of the main. He's like a

seventh or eighth generation shaman out of

Colombia. And when you go into ceremony, it's

actually really, really kind of like being in the

er. It's dark rather than light, but it's dark,

it's loud. There's people crying and screaming

and laughing and running around and dancing.

This all makes sense to me.

Dr. Tina Hills: Smoke and light, it was just fun stuff. But when

you go in, you have to do ayahuasca, especially

with people who know what they're doing, because

this is a traditional medicine that's about 5,000

to 10,000 years old. And these people have been

working with this medicine since they were

children. And so they really know the intricacies

and how to deal with the medicine. But you go in

and you have, you go in, you have a cup of

medicine. It's in a little shot, you know, a

little shot glass, just one cup at a time. And

then you go and lay down on your mat. And it's

just a, like a twin mattress that you have set

up. There's. There was about 80 people in our

group. After you drink the medicine, you go lay

down in it and you sit there for about an hour,

quiet. It's called the noble silence. Everyone's

quiet. And then the action starts, the music

starts, the vomiting, the singing and dancing.

You're getting blessings from people. But when

you do plant medicine, what it does is it's. It's

kind of like ketamine in the error. It

dissociates you from your ego and turns off your

thinking mind. It takes off all your filters so

you can see a different reality. It's almost,

it's the closest thing that to a near death that

I've had because you, all of your filters are

gone and you can see what's actually happening

around you. And it shows you what's in your body.

To get the trauma out of your body. Your sig3

gene determines where you store trauma. Ayahuasca

is, it goes in, it actually maps out your DNA.

There's been studies, there's been tons of

studies. This, especially in Europe, it goes in,

it maps out your DNA, finds that trauma, and it's

sitting in your water, your fascia, and it kind

of brings it into your bowels or into your tears

or wherever it needs to go so that you can purge

it out. And so it's literally you're purging

energetic waste out of your body. It's just that

stagnant water, you know, It's. It's stagnant. So

it grows things in there. You hold things in

there. It's bound up with the fascia, you know,

so you have. If you can imagine, you have all

your easy water, you have your fascia bound up

around from an injury. So I. I spray. Just say

somebody spraying their ankle, it twists the

fascia up because that's your shock absorber.

That fascia holds £2,000 per square inch. And so

as that binds, it kind of gets stuck, then it

gets adhered, then it gets dehydrated and

crackly. So as you go into that fashion, you

start to release it. You release that energetic

trauma. The water let the flow come in, Blood

vessels start to flow, nerves start to FL. Flow.

Because we. The majority of our nerves are in our

fascia. It's not in our brain. You know, it's

like 100 times more in our fascia. And so when

you work with ayahuasca, then you start to deal

with those energies on a different level. Because

now I'm familiar with my body. If I go on a

journey, I know where I'm going, I know how to

get there, and I'm comfortable getting there

because I'm. I'm not distracted by all the

visuals. I take the visuals in, I say, okay, how

do I learn from this? And. And then you just

start to apply those through integration, because

you learn. And it may not be that night, it may

be a year later, where you go, oh, my gosh. I had

that ceremony that told me this was going to

happen. And so then you go through, and it just

stays with you. And the medicine's always with

you once you have it. But we do the same thing

with ketamine. We've used it in the ER to do

things like this. I had a guy who came in for

shoulder dislocation. Ketamine. You give it in,

the IV shuts off the ego, separates you from your

mind. You're still awake. I can talk to you, you

can hold a conversation, but you have no clue

what's going on. Had a guy came in for shoulder

dislocation, gave him some ketamine while he was

there. He said, I'm suicidal. I'm incredibly sad.

So I said, all right, man, let's help you out.

While I was reducing his shoulder, and Troy

happened to meet my spouse, happened to be

working with me. We said, all right, let's get

this guy turned around. So we started telling him

all these things about, you are loved, you are

worthy, and just going down this list of you love

your body. You love yourself. You're worthy of

that love. When he. And then I kept him overnight

to monitor him when he woke up the next day. And

as we're starting to talk to him, he's like, man,

I feel fantastic. I feel great. I've never felt

this good in my life. You know, it just because

he had the opportunity to somebody tell him, man,

you're okay. And I want to tell everybody that

you are okay. You're perfect just the way you

are. You're just in your process.

Yeah, we all are. And so do you think that. That

those messages of love sort of penetrated his

consciousness differently because you'd given him

the ketamine for his shoulder and his ego was out

of the way? Is that what you're saying?

Dr. Tina Hills: Absolutely. Because then doesn't have any defense

against that. He doesn't have that thought

because that's the ego telling you that, right?

And so it does. He doesn't have that thought of,

man, I want to kill myself now. He has that

thought of, wait a minute. I don't want that

anymore. Now, hey, I want to go have a good day

today. I don't want to do that anymore. And it's

where you get that you can. You short circuit the

neurals, and it's that neuroplasticity, right?

And so you can short circuit those. Those little

loops. And that's what the medicine does. It

helps you short circuit the loops. So instead of

staying on that little roller coaster of up and

down, I'm suicidal, it says, nope, I'm done with

that now. Now I get to make this new loop. And

you only have to stop for something once to start

neuroplasticity. And so it makes it a very easy

process once you know how to do it, you know. So

even one of the best examples of that are your

spinal reflexes. And spinal reflex. You touch the

stove, you pull your hand away so you don't get

burned. That message never makes it to your

brain. It goes from your hand to your spinal cord

and back out for you to respond. You have reef

emotional reflexes that are just the same. So,

you know, somebody triggers you. You lash out and

say something, and then in your mind, you're

going, holy crap. Why'd they say that? I didn't

want to say that to them. I didn't mean to say

that you feel badly. But it's a loop that comes

from your spinal reflex to protect you. And so

when you. What we want you to do is kind of take

a step back, push Things off of you. This is what

we do in the er. Like, if I got caught up in the

drama of everything, I could not keep track of

anyone. Because if I'm saying, oh, their blood

pressure is low, everybody agrees their blood

pressure is low, but we're stuck in that. We

can't get anything accomplished. And so for me,

and what I teach my. My clients to do is take

that issue, push it off, set it over here where

you can look at it with some. Some distance, and

then you say, okay, what are my solutions? And

you focus on the solution, because then you have

action, then things are changing. You're not just

stuck in this endless loop of, oh, my gosh, this

is happening, and ruminating. You have to stop

ruminating and move through it, Emote emotion,

move it through your body. It's a lot, isn't it?

Yeah. So you've. You've talked a lot about trauma

being stored in the fascia. Could you explain

sort of your understanding of how that works, how

the structured water in our body holds trauma and

how we can unfold it?

Dr. Tina Hills: You think about the body. The body's like a

quantum computer. And you have data that's stored

in water molecules, your DNA molecules, your

fascia, which is water. And then you have

microtubules. So if you think your. Your brain is

your computer, your. Your network system, your

Ethernet hardwire is your nervous system, and

your fiber optics are your fascia. And so things

travel in a quantum with quantum speed. It's

biophotons, bioacoustics. It is. It's everywhere

in your body because it's what you are. And what

happens is that fascia gets bound up and it keeps

that trauma in there, because when you have. And

it doesn't have to be big, it can be small. My

mom yelled at me, and they didn't yell at my

sister, and we were doing the same thing. It

doesn't have to be anything big, but it's a shock

to the body. And so it walls it off. And that

data is stored in there. And then we. If it

doesn't, if it's not dealt with, we. We apply

layers of protection. Layers, layers, layers. And

it's just data that's stored in that water.

Literally in quanta.

Yeah, I mean, that. That makes so much sense, you

know, and it's. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Hills: Onto DNA. They've shown they can download video

onto DNA and replay it. It's just data. It's just

information.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: Energy. It's just light information. We're light

information. Our bodies are light bodies. And so

when you put that, you're just. It's like a

quantum computer. Quantum computer, yeah.

And I love this way of talking about it because

it's very. Not emotional. I mean, I'm. I think,

you know, being able to experience our emotions

as key to being a healthy person. However,

sometimes we can attach too much to a certain

concept. So we're just talking about trauma as

information encoded in the body that's having a

certain kind of outcome that makes it much more.

It's got a more objective feel to it. And it's

like, okay, so what are some things I can do to

release it? That's it. That's all. And we have

this idea that, like, oh, no. Like, I've been

traumatized or my kids can't get traumatized or

no one. The trauma's there forever, and it's

going to impact me for the right. And it's like,

no, correct. You can heal it.

Dr. Tina Hills: You can get rid of it. Because if you are put

here to go through this process when you are a

child, you have all of your story. Everyone has a

story. The beginning of the story is all the

drama. The back half of the story is your hero

journey. My good friend Kevin Call talks all

about it. It's your hero journey. You come out

and you say, okay, I've learned all these things.

All of the tools that you learned as a child, you

turn around and say, okay, I don't have to rely

on them to survive, but I have them in my back

pocket if I need them. And all you're doing is

gaining wisdom and tools and learning what your

boundaries are. And, you know, so I like to look

at it objectively. There are emotional. There are

very emotional moments. I mean, I've had people

where I'm doing myofascial release or fascial

maneuvers on them and shoulder. Like out here,

just in the fascia wasn't even on a muscle, not a

joint. I had a hold of something very not fun for

the patient. And as that lets go, there's

actually a loud pop almost so you would hear if

you popped your neck. But it's out in the fascia

that pots. There is a flood of emotion and

instant relief because it's now gone. The

restriction, the containment has been let go. So

now there is more flow, sound, light, water and

movement. That's what the body wants, and it

wants that flow. We are water beings. We don't

want stagnation. So the primary thing in letting

go of trauma is going to be fascial maneuvers,

because you have to Manipulate it out of the

body. Internal trauma has to be healed from the

inside out. That's our mental speak. All that

junk we've done to ourselves, the physical. All

the junk. I mean, just everything you do to the

internal body, sometimes that external trauma has

to be healed from the outside in. So let's say if

I had my trauma, sexual abuse, that was just the

backdrop to my story. And so now, as I'm working

with. I have Troy work on me. She's doing work on

my abdominal area. And it's almost like you took

a black dagger out of my lower abdomen. And it's

that relief of, oh, my gosh, there's the energy

that is gone. I don't have to carry that anymore.

It becomes more of a memory than an experience

that you're still experiencing 30 years later or

however old you are, you know, so it makes it a

very interesting and much more beneficial

treatment when you can go through all of those

areas, because we talk about root disease, root

causes all the time, but it's not. It's the

seeds, the little seeds of trauma that start to

develop those roots and give rise to roots. And

so when you get to that little seed down there,

you can have healing on all these different

levels.

Right. The seeds of trauma.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Body keeps the score, right? There's a

whole book about it.

Yes. Yeah, there is. And it's. It's interesting

to watch. Just sort of in the popular

consciousness, the idea of trauma was just

something that was never just discussed. Then it

was discussed, and now it's sort of like front

and center, but in a way where it's like, oh,

you. You have trauma and you were triggered. We

have to reconfigure society to never trigger

anybody ever. And it's like. I don't know that

that's necessarily, like, what you're saying.

It's like, no, we need to heal ourselves so we're

not so easily triggered.

Dr. Tina Hills: Well, yeah, it's your trigger. Your trigger is

just simply showing you where you need to heal.

Yeah. That's all it is. It doesn't have to be

some big dramatic event. I mean, sometimes it is.

I still have. I still break down and cry. You

know, if I have, it comes in, you feel it, you

experience and let it go. Because what's coming

is going. But also true. What's yours is yours,

what's mine is mine. No passingada. And when

you're triggered, you start to lash out at

people, and that's not okay, because that's not

their fault. It's what you hold inside that you

need to handle. And when you handle your stuff,

then you can turn around and look at everybody

else with compassion and say, let me help you

through yours. And that's the difference. And

that's the integration is because you have to

start to spread it out and create that butterfly

effect and the overall shift in the consciousness.

Yes. And that integration piece is so important.

I'm glad, I'm glad that you've brought it up so

many times, because I do find, and I think so, I

think there's a part of the journey where we are

just in information collecting mode. We're in

knowledge expanding mode. But then at some point

that needs to translate into something real. So I

can read. You know, I remember I was like reading

about why you would wear blue blocking glasses if

you were on a screen at night for like months

before I actually went on the Internet and

ordered some and put them on my face. So there

was the integration. So, like going outside in

the morning, blocking light, like that's an

integration. But I think it's also. And the one

where we get a little more tripped up is some of

this other stuff that you're talking about. The

internal monologues, the way we see the world,

the belief systems. Like, it's, it's, you know, I

know people who can talk about that stuff, they

can write about that stuff, but they're not. But

it's not being applied.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

And we're not being integrated.

Dr. Tina Hills: Our practice, our daily practice is integration

because we've taken. We. We've put ourselves in a

constant ceremony because it's made such a

difference in our lives across the board. And so

every day we are, you know, and it's a practice,

and it's what you develop. It's what you develop.

You know, you. The coherence thing, meditation,

you have to meditate, you have to have that quiet

time, talk to your body, bring it back into

communication. The breath work. If you control

your breath, you can control everything because

it's that you take a little inspiration, hold it

for a second, give yourself a long exhale.

Stimulates your parasympathetic, pulls you out of

Fight or Flight, gives a little bit of space and

lets you actually make a decision instead of a

reaction. And so, you know, number one, we're

gonna. We gotta pull you out of Fight or Flight.

That's that meditation, breath work. Learn how to

get your body out of that. And the, the easiest

way to do it is take an inhale and then a longer

exhale because it stimulates that vagal nerve

that comes right here and turns it into

parasympathetic fight or flight is down, chills

out the body. It says, everything's okay. Let's

see what we're doing now. You know, and I think

that's one of the greatest things about the ER

too, is because it's made me. It. It teaches you

how to speak, how to think with logic in

incredibly emotional situations. Yes. Come and

see me, Ari. It's not a good day. If they see

work, it is not a good day. It is not. And so,

you know, it's. It's been an experience and it's

one that we. We're so excited to share because it

has changed everyone that we talk to about this.

With sunlight, the water, just the things that

we've been mentioning, it changes their lives

instantly. But people need to know, again, it is

not a quick fix. You can have immediate results,

but it takes about a year, it really takes a good

year to have your body make that turn all the way

to this direction. And walking down the health

route, you know, it just takes a little bit of

time. And so be patient with yourself.

Yeah, yeah. And remember, it's a journey. I

think, you know, we all want to find the smoking

gun, the root cause, the one thing that is

responsible for all the bad stuff that's

happening to our health. But it's. Yeah, it's

multifactorial, it's ongoing, it's nonlinear.

I've been hearing from a lot of people lately who

are. Who started doing all of the circadian

things and then just had incredible insomnia

descend upon them.

Dr. Tina Hills: Interesting.

And it turns out they had some emotional. There

was an emotional trauma layer.

Dr. Tina Hills: Sure.

And it was, like, sitting underneath. So when

they got every. You know, their body was in

rhythm and everything was working. It was almost

like, oh, okay, it does.

Dr. Tina Hills: It will do that.

Here comes a few more things for you to deal

with. And you are going to be awake all night

until you do you deal.

Dr. Tina Hills: With it because it's going to come knocking on

your door. But fasting does that to you. If you

go on any kind of food cleanse or fasting, it

brings all of that to the. To the surface because

it's getting all that junk out. And fast can be

incredibly emotional because you're releasing and

you're letting go of all that. All the toxins.

Yeah, right. Yeah. This is a really important

thing to bring up now that we're. Now that we're

talking about it. So I was thinking about it a.

The insomnia but now you're talking about the

fasting. It's like. And that's why we talk about

it non linearly. So we could do all of these

things to get our body back in balance and to

have our, our rhythms functioning properly. And

it's like, because our body's experiencing that

safety and that coherence, there may be all kinds

of surprises. And it's like, why am I worse? I'm

doing all the things.

Dr. Tina Hills: But you're not worse.

You're not worse.

Dr. Tina Hills: You're not worse.

You're releasing better.

Dr. Tina Hills: Because now your body says, I'm safe enough to

handle this.

Yes.

Dr. Tina Hills: And that's, you know, have a friend. Phone a

friend. Yeah, someone that you can trust. Someone

that you. That has been through it already.

Someone who can guide you to the next step.

Because, you know, with Troy and I, what we

really focus on, we had this, this great

relationship because we worked before we were

together. And so it really let us have this trust

and this completely different perspective of what

a relationship is going to be. And so what we.

When we've got, while we've gone down this path,

it'll be like one of us gets a little bit ahead

and then we say, okay, come on, catch up. So it's

kind of this stepwise pattern and we've done that

with each other the whole time. Okay, I found

this. This is really working. This isn't working.

Let's try this. And we kind of pull each other

along. And so I liken it to rolling a ball

appeal. She's in her bubble, I'm in my bubble.

We're pushing the ball together, and we have to

keep it even going up the hill. And so everything

we do is focusing on that. We don't look behind

us. If something comes up from behind, we say,

man, that really, that was kind of sucked. We got

to get over that. Let's. How do we get over this?

And we work through it and then we just keep

pushing that ball because it's a lot more fun to

play games with that ball than it is to think

about what happened in the past. But we've

already dealt with it, so we're not ignoring it.

We've already moved through it and let it process

through our bodies and, and, and our emotional

state. And like, okay, if I had this happen when

I was a child, here's the tool I learned that I

had. How can I make that a beneficial tool? Get

rid of the ones that no longer serve. Don't use

them anymore. Tools being all of the things we've

talked about your emotional sport. Just different

tools that you gain.

Yeah. And I think people are drawn to different

things. And you know, like, I was very drawn to

tools that were very cerebral and word oriented

because that's how I, you know, that's how I'm

cognitively oriented. So things where I would,

would do a lot of writing, a lot of journaling, a

lot of like writing down my thoughts and

questioning them on paper and other people, I was

like, this is amazing, Try it. And they were

like, I, I hate this. I'm. It's. What are you

talking about? Like, this is useless. But I found

it, like completely change, transformed my life,

like in a profound way. But that's what I was

drawn to. So.

Dr. Tina Hills: But that was your patient, right? So it's your

quiet time, it's your time with yourself. It's

reflection and, and so it works for you. That

does not work for me.

That's what I learned. So other people, you know,

like. Yeah, like my brother, for example, he, he

started like running marathons. Just being in

constant, like being, being in physical movement

all of the time. And that's, that's his play,

that's his meditation practice, I would say.

Okay, you mentioned something earlier that I want

to circle back to and then I'm going to open it

up because this is a podcast interview and also a

QVC Pro member event. So we have a few people on

Liselle Violeta. If anyone has questions, put

them in the chat or you're welcome to jump on if

you want to unmute yourself to do that. So I'll

circle back to you in a second. But Tina, you

mentioned earlier that you worked for a small

local independent hospital that got bought by a

conglomerate and a lot of things changed. Tell

us, like, what changed? How is it different? What

did you learn about the healthcare system in that

experience?

Dr. Tina Hills: I was, well, I was, you know, I was, I was safely

protected in the military for a long time, so I

didn't have to deal with the reality of what was

going on in the hospital system. And so we had

the last physician owned hospital in Texas and it

was a private group and it was a democratic

group. And when the conglomerate came in first,

they took that group, they bought the group

first. And they totally dictate how you can

practice medicine. You don't have free thought

anymore on how you practice. There's very certain

things that you have to do. Everything is on a

time. You have two minutes to see a patient, you

have five minutes to start a chart, you have one

hour to get them to just, just everything was

like timed and if you didn't make those, that

you're getting in trouble for not making those

time. It was just a completely different

environment.

And you're used to. I'm used to giving self love

messages to the depressed guy with a dislocated

shoulder. And they're like, no, you have two and

a half minutes.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

Wow.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

Okay.

Dr. Tina Hills: So it was, it's just corporate medicine versus a

private practice almost, you know, just very,

very different. And a lot of rules, a lot of

rushing around, a lot of not fun, not fun for the

patient. You know, it wasn't fun for us, but the

patients were suffering.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: So I had to get out of there.

Yeah, no, that's crazy because you are someone

with your body of work who's bringing a lot more

than just the very specific acute required

response. You're bringing so much more to the

table. And that model basically erases any chance

of that happening.

Dr. Tina Hills: We made it happen.

You found a way. Yeah.

Dr. Tina Hills: I Talked to probably seven out of 10 patients

about some sort of quantum health. And they're

very open people. People are, are just craving

something different.

So you are talking to them about this in the AR

while they're in there?

Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, all the time. I would have some

discharge instructions because I have to meet a

standard of care. So somebody comes in for a

urinary tract infection, here's your antibiotic

and here's your discharge instructions for uti.

And here's how you get your gut back in shape

after you take this antibiotic. Because it's

going to make you have these emotional things

that's going to make you have these physical

things. And you need to get your body back in

gear. It's going to take six months. And so it

would have that conversation. And so that leads

you all the way into see the sunrise, get in the

uva, put your feet on the dirt. You know, it just

leads you down that path. And so you get to talk

to a lot of people about it. And everyone, even

the especially nursing staff, had a friend of

mine who was a nurse for a long time and ended up

getting colon cancer at a very young age. And I

said, man, get out there and start doing this

circadian stuff. He text me at the two days into

it, he text me, said, tina, I haven't felt this

good in 10 years. Wow, two days. It's an

immediate. That's what say you can have immediate

results, but the, the actual change of

symptomology and the disease process takes a

little Bit longer.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: That takes about that year.

Yeah, but. Yes, but. But your body getting back

into rhythm can happen right away in the.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

So I'm. So I'm. I'm really excited that

everyone's into it.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah, everyone's. There was very few. And, you

know, right when you start to talk to someone,

whether they're going to listen to any kind of

information outside of Western medicine, but it

was a good 7 to 8 out of 10 people who were

hungry for something different.

Amazing. So for anyone listening who does work in

a traditional healthcare model, tell us again how

you slide in. You just put it in their

instructions.

Dr. Tina Hills: We're going to handle your illness at this time

with these medicines. But when these medicines

are done, you need to get your body back into a

homeostatic place. You have to move it back

because these medicines are going to do some

damage while you're taking them. And we got to

get you back over here where you started. And if

you continue doing these practices, they'll

actually heal your body.

And. And people are receptive, Incredibly

receptive. See, I love hearing that because so

many people are like, yeah, no, but, you know,

especially doctors, they're like, nobody cares.

Nobody wants it. They just want the pill. They're

not interested. And I'm like, are you sure? I

feel like they are.

Dr. Tina Hills: You're interested, especially when you get into

people who are into any kind of. Of plant

medicine and kind of know a little bit more

information about how the system works and the

game of life works. And people. People don't want

it anymore. People know it's. It's just a band

aid. You know, it's really good at controlling

symptoms, but it's not doing anything else. And

if you block something that the body's supposed

to do naturally, it's always a disaster. And

that's what most medications do in the long run,

you know, so.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: Have a different perspective, though. Yeah,

because I've experienced it and I live it every

day. And now I'm, you know, all of us, all of our

friend, everybody that we. We get on the same

pattern. Our business partners, we make sure

everybody's doing the same thing. We just got

back from Las Vegas. We were going out there to

do stem cells, and our business partner sat down.

She'd been here all week having all the fruits

and vegetables that we eat. Sat down to have one

meal. She's like, I can't eat that anymore. She

was almost sick. And from that point, that was

her last regular, like, meal with gluten. And,

you know, all the different things on her

sandwich, she's like, nope, I can't do it

anymore. I feel, it made me feel too badly. And

so people get that shock after they've been

exposed. And then it's, it's. Then it's a

complete change.

Right. And so just because people always like to

know what do you recommend people to eat? And

then questions. Throw them in the chat or put in

the chat if you want to come on camera. Okay.

Food.

Dr. Tina Hills: We're vegan by choice.

Okay.

Dr. Tina Hills: And as the vibration of the body increases, as

the health of the body increases, it really kind

of chooses for you. I, every once in a while I

get a really strong craving for some sort of

meat. And if I don't sat, if I can't satisfy that

with like mushrooms, beans, something like that,

that has a little bit higher protein in it, then

I'll have a little piece. But I make sure I have

the best of the worst. I typically go with bison

because I know that's going to be probably the

cleanest. We don't really eat poultry anymore. I

don't eat any eggs or dairy at all. Every once in

a while, Troy will have an egg, they'll throw one

in there. Just because she loves eggs, but she

usually regrets it when she's done.

Interesting.

Dr. Tina Hills: But I tell people you have to figure out what

your body likes because it depends on where

you're starting. And so if you eat something, I

want people to go very clean on their eating. Get

out of processed foods. If you cannot read the

label, put it back, you don't need it. Go to

simple, whole natural foods and then start

introducing things back. So get really super

clean for about two weeks. Have an egg, see how

you feel. Have a piece of cheese, see how you

feel. And if it makes you feel anything but

energized and feeling good, put it back and don't

eat it anymore. Makes it really easy because it's

you. That's the place where it becomes an

individual program is the food. Because with like

cold plunge, thermal therapies, circadian, that

is across the board, good for everyone. Food is

where it becomes a little bit more specialized to

your body. And you have to make that decision,

but you have to be honest with yourself about how

you feel. You can't go down and sit, sit and have

a big meal and then realize. And you just need to

realize, okay, I'm not going to feel my energy

core. I'm not going to feel as light. And then

you kind of weave your way through it and work

your way through what makes you feel good, you

don't want to feel bloated, you don't want to

feel heavy, you don't want to feel sleepy. Those

are all things that the food is taking your

energy instead of giving you energy.

That's a really helpful way to look at it because

I don't, I don't really, I don't bring food up

much on this podcast as people probably notice,

for the exact reason you just said. I'm like, you

know what? I don't know, I don't know what you

should eat.

Dr. Tina Hills: All natural foods. You're not going to go wrong.

Yes, I agreed. Yeah, within, yeah, like nobody

should be eating hyper processed foods or foods

that aren't real food. But beyond that, I'm like,

I don't know.

Dr. Tina Hills: You really want to stay away from seed oils. So

if you're so again, the best of the worst. So we

use a brand. I'm going to throw a shout out to

cfe. They just got bought out so you have to

watch them now. I got to make sure they don't

change. They're made with avocado oil, you know,

so it's like, so you start with, start with

something that you know and you can start making

substitutions that you. So instead of a regular

chip, you get a chip that's made with avocado oil

and cassava flour. So you're getting gluten free,

grain free and so you can have that as a snack so

you don't feel so deprived and you have your

taste buds change. And so as, as you start to

clean out your diet, your taste buds change. So

just you be kind to yourself. Do not beat

yourself up. I just read a study by Eric Topol

out of California on Pro and it re just

reintroduced the, the dosage of protein because

everybody's still caught up on protein and you

really want about 0.8 grams per kilogram in a

day. If you're over 60. Out of his studies, he

recommended 1.2 grams per kilograms of protein

because when you get too much protein, then

you're talking about kidney damage,

cardiovascular disease, it's too much. Your body

doesn't need that much. Plus your gut biome makes

protein. If you clear off all those receptors and

allow it to use the building blocks, the amino

acids from fruits and vegetables, you're going to

have enough protein because your body's going to

make it. We calculated out our meal one day. We

had 80 grams of protein and hadn't had dinner yet

on fruit and a salad and, and healthy and so it's

like you just need to just kind of change what

you know and open yourself up to options.

Right. So tell me, tell me, like, how you got

protein from fruit and salad.

Dr. Tina Hills: So protein is simply amino acids. The most

bioavailable protein is beans, legumes and seeds.

Nuts.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: About 20, 20, 25 of the protein and meat is

bioavailable. The rest of it gets digested and

pooped out.

Yeah.

Dr. Tina Hills: And your body. So your body takes that full

protein, breaks it down into the amino acids it

needs, and creates the proteins that it needs.

Because your body's a protein factory. And so

it's, It's. If you just eat the parts your body

can make the protein that it needs, either one is

fine.

Right.

Dr. Tina Hills: It's not wrong. Your body's intelligent.

Yeah. And I think that's the, the important thing

is we, we get a little dogmatic, especially about

food. We people get dogmatic about everything.

Dr. Tina Hills: And we really just try to make it as simple as

possible and still have fun. And that's what it's

about. You're here to have fun.

You know, you know what? Yes. And that's circling

back to where we started before. And I, I also

just want to say, like, I do some of this, like,

super esoteric people that I have followed or

read over the years. They do say, they did say

that as our frequency rises, our need to eat food

will be reduced and our need to eat animal

protein will be reduced. I'm not there yet, but I

do see what you're saying. And so what we want to

look for is not, is this on the good list or the

bad list? But how do I feel after I eat it?

Dr. Tina Hills: Right.

How is my energy? How is this resonating with my

frequency? Okay.

Dr. Tina Hills: Changes day by day.

Right? Yeah. And yes, in life moments, I've

noticed things I used to enjoy and can no longer

eat. But I do want to talk about. Yeah. The

having fun. We're here to have fun. And at the

beginning you said, oh, that moment where. Or not

that moment, but reaching the point where you

realized, like, it's okay to be happy.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yes.

And it's okay to have fun and to make things fun.

Unless it's impossible. Sometimes is impossible.

But bounce back to the fun.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yes. Really, when you, if you give yourself that

little pause and you can step back and really not

get involved in the chaos and just really look at

what's going on, most of it's just hilarious

because we create our own drama. We do it all.

It's like we're Creating our story as we go and

wow, let's make it more fun. And I think that

together it'll shift a lot faster.

Yeah, I know. And we do. We make up these

stories. I've had, like, a really busy couple

weeks and like, I feel these moments where I'm

like, I've only sanctioned your. And then I'm

like, what are those things, Meredith? What are

they? I'm like, oh, I get to interview Tina on a

podcast. Oh, I get to help fundraise for my

children's school district. Oh, I get to like,

write a blog post. Like, these are great things.

But my mind. My mind likes to take everything and

just turn it into a storm cloud.

Dr. Tina Hills: That's what we've been trying to do, you know,

that's what. That's what everybody has taught you

what to do. And so it's just change of

perspective. The first thing that happens, change

in perspective. And just saying, I'm really okay.

I don't want to do this anymore because it hurts

too much. What else can I do differently? And

people will not change until the pain becomes too

great, you know, and so don't wait that long.

Yes.

Dr. Tina Hills: Have fun before it gets too late.

A good marker of growth. It's like, how little

pain do I have to be in before I make a required

change?

Dr. Tina Hills: Perfect. Perfect.

A little bit less each time. Hopefully a lot less

each time. Quantum leaps. Let's think in quantum

leaps.

Dr. Tina Hills: There you go.

Violeta wanted to jump in. Do you want to unmute

yourself, Violeta? Hi.

Dr. Tina Hills: Hi there.

Nice to meet you, Violeta. I am. I'm a

psychiatrist and I have various different roles.

One is the emergency department. I'm actually.

The reason I'm not on video is because I'm

getting ready for my shift soon. And the other is

neurotherapeutics. So amongst the. The procedures

is ketamine administration, too.

Dr. Tina Hills: What about. I'm sorry, what about it?

That I administer ketamine as one of my other

therapeutic tools.

Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, sorry, tool. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. But the more. And right now I'm. I'm

actually going to transition somewhat into a mod.

A model where I can incorporate quantum concepts

freely, which will be great. But one thing I have

noticed, even in the current allopathic model

where I'm administering ketamine, is how its

limitations and it really doesn't suit everybody.

And I'm wondering, given your experience or

exposure, what do. What do people usually think

about it? When I. When patients come to me, they

have. They have, you know, thoughts that this is

going to Address everything or that. It's. It's

a. It's really like a harmless, harmless agent.

What's. What has your experience been?

Dr. Tina Hills: So typically, what will happen is you have that

breakdown of the consciousness and the. And the

ego just long enough to get you. Get you in the

door. That is where the integration comes in.

Plant medicine is simply a door that opens to a

different perspective. That's all it's doing.

Things like ayahuasca can actually get the trauma

out, but when you have something like ketamine,

you're overriding those. Those systems that are

in place so that you can reprogram them. And that

is why integration is the most important part of

all of this. Because now I have somebody who is

vulnerable, and we can say, okay, this is. This

happens before you ever even give ketamine. You

have this plan in place, in. Okay, what are we

addressing? I do body work when I have people on

it, and so I help get some of that trauma out.

And as they're coming out, we are talking. We're

talking about their trauma, what they experienced

during the journey, how do we apply those things?

And we really talk a lot about the experiences

that we've had in both the ER and in our own

lives. And that's telling. That story of how you

integrate is going to be one of the most

important things. You need to experience ketamine

yourself. So you know what it feels like. Yeah.

Opportunities like that for professionals are few

and far between.

Dr. Tina Hills: They are. But, you know, you have somebody with.

There's tons of ketamine clinics that are

starting to pop up. But that may be something

that I would really consider because I wouldn't

do anything that I would ask somebody to do. I

would never send someone to Ayahuasca. I would

never have anybody use psilocybin if I hadn't

done it myself and knew what it felt like.

Yeah. And I think perhaps a different. A

different setting maybe, because I think it as

you. Oh, I don't know. But in my current setting

in allopathic medicine, where I practice, it's

definitely not something. I think there would be

some scrutiny.

Dr. Tina Hills: Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is going to be

something that's in a private practice where you

have someone who's really cold, set and set is

really isolated out. It's set and setting is

everything. You have to set the intention. You

have to set the space so that it's calm, it's.

It's inviting, it is safe for that person. And as

they start to go down, they have to be able to

really let go, because people can still kind of

hold on, and it becomes a little bit of a fight

as they go down. But if you have them set, we're

going to have fun today. We're going to do this

work, but we're going to have fun. And the energy

that you bring into that room is going to make

the difference. When I was working on that guy

with the shoulder, I was in a freestanding. I was

called a freestanding er. He was the only one

there, and so I had all the time in the world to

spend with him. And then I had a few patients

trickle in, but my attention was. I had had the

ability to give my patient that. That attention.

And so if I do it now, it's not typically in the

er. It's typically done in right over there on

that couch, actually. Or people can come over

here and they lay down right there and have a

great experience. And it, like I said, just when

you guide them, it depends on how you hold that

space and how you control that space. That. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah.

Thank you.

Dr. Tina Hills: You're so welcome.

Thanks, Violeta. Good to see you. All right,

Tina, this was amazing. We'll have to do it again

sometime.

Dr. Tina Hills: All right.

And any. Are there any last thoughts coming to

you that you want to share? I think. Feel like

there might be.

Dr. Tina Hills: I think we got it out okay. I think got a. I

think we have a good one for the day. That's a

lot to think about for people.

Yeah, it is. We. We covered. We covered a lot of

bases there.

Dr. Tina Hills: We did cover a lot of bases.

And so, yeah, just maybe after you listen to

this, go for a little walk, or maybe you're

already out for a walk and let it process.

Dr. Tina Hills: And I'm happy to have people reach out to me and

ask me questions. I'm easy. Really, really super

easy to find me online. And so just reach out.

So, yes, let's tell people how to find you. So

you have a private practice. Is that in Florida?

Dr. Tina Hills: It's a concierge, actually. So we kind of go. But

I have heal me backslash. Dr. Tina Hills is

probably the easiest. Our website is being redone

right now, and so it's taken. It's under

construction. That's probably the easiest. Other

than Instagram. It's Progressive Health

Management. PHMX or Dr. Tina Hillsdio.

Either one on Instagram. Okay. And yeah, look up

Tina. Connect with her. And yeah, thanks for

being an amazing. An amazing light in the world.

Dr. Tina Hills: You brought this. This knowledge into the world

and exactly when it was needed. Man, and it's

just. Thank you. Thank you. Because you

participated in my healing journey to a point

that I cannot even express my gratitude. You and

Carrie and everybody. And I truly appreciate it

because I wouldn't be here without you. So thank

you.

Thank you, Tina. Thank you so much. I look

forward to chatting with you again and covering

even more.

Dr. Tina Hills: Yeah. Talk about something more specific next

time so we can.

Yeah, I love to do that. Yeah, do, like, a big,

broad overview, and then next time we can go

deep. Deep. Maybe ayahuasca or something. I

haven't gone deep on that yet.

Dr. Tina Hills: All right, girl.

All right. Thank you.

Dr. Tina Hills: Bye. Bye.