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Dave: And we run behind this tank, which
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And now you're completely exposed to the
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And it's terrifying, thick white
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Ice is shooting, but
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I run out, I get the girl to pull
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clinging to her dead mother.

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I was on this rubble shot
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I don't know, but I went down,
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Simon: Welcome everybody.

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This is Simon Guillebaud with Inspired.

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Inspired if you're new to us is
all about meeting mates of mine.

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Who are doing beautiful stuff from
different walks of life around the globe

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Basically to counteract all the negativity
and grimness that we get when we watch.

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Basically if you watch the news 24 7 you
are allowing someone else to curate all

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the bad stuff that's going on So you'll
end up more depress, cynical or anxious.

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That sort of thing.

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So we want to stir faith.

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And so today's a chance to
meet an an incredible brother.

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The connection, actually
he's not a mate of mine.

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Hopefully I can claim him as a buddy
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but he has a connection through a
very good friend, Brian Klager, who

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is on my US.

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board of trustees,

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Simon: and also you've just

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been out to Burundi  a whole bunch

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Simon: of times, and he said,
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stuff, he said, you've got to get
along my friend Dave, you bet.

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He's just, he's absolutely
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And so I've checked you out.

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I've watched the Amazon
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Dave, it is incredible.

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Founder of the Free Burma Rangers,
I've tracked you down we got you out

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of the jungle in Myanmar, now on a
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hot in Thailand, and we're trying to
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so I hope it's going to work, but
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Welcome, Dave.

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Dave: Thank you, Simon, and God bless you.

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Simon: Yeah it's so good to have you.

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So you're born in Texas, but raised in,
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You've got a crazy backstory and
you've got a crazy current life.

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I'm really grateful
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So listen just paint us a picture
of your childhood to kick us

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Whoever listens, I think my mother
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he likes them to meet each other.

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So I just got to meet Simon
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a way, we'll meet each other.

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Around the world.

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I was born in Texas, but when I was nine
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to Thailand to be missionaries My father
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in the oil business and my mother was an
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theater in London and both of them actress
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each other and Jesus led them to Thailand.

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My dad likes to say that when he decided
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he thought he's gonna be an oil man,
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I'll give you some, don't worry over 10%.

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And he opened the Bible to this,
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of God and his righteousness.

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And all of these things
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Turn to you.

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And he couldn't get his
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I grew up in Thailand, had three sisters.

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That's where I met Jesus.

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And then graduated from high school,
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Army, first with the infantry
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Rangers and Special Forces.

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And then after that, went to
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Simon: Right.

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So that's a real sort of
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So you came to faith young, but was
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I remember when I was in seven
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I missed them only saw him
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I just lay in there in my bed and
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And Simon, this part of the story I rarely
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it or, I don't know, but I just feel
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When I looked in the corner of the room,
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Ooh, okay, he's real.

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I'm gonna follow him.

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Then I closed my eyes,
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I saw Mary, the mother of Jesus, for real.

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And one day, this is about 10
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church in America sharing.

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you become a follower of Jesus?

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California area wrote a little note.

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She's a lady.

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This is what I read.

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You could not have your mother with you.

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So Jesus sent his mother to comfort you.

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David/Simon: Awesome.

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Dave: It reminded me, I don't know much.

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I know enough to know what I'm sinning.

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I know what I need to do, but
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they've seen or haven't seen.

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So people have all kinds of experiences
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I don't need to debate it.

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So I share that part because that was
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And I never thought about it again until
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So I was like 40 something years
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is mysterious and he has his own ways
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needs because he cares for each person.

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I was thinking of sins I've done and
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You really forgave me
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What kind of God is this, who sent his
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killed, to say, forgive us of our sins?

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Father, forgive them.

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They don't know what you're doing.

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They don't know what they're doing
to rise again, appearing to the

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ladies, and then men left for that,
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And so that's the main now purpose
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subterfuge you with all kinds
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is to serve Jesus and to
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And so anyways, when I was seven years
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And then after that, I
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I didn't drink, I didn't smoke.

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person who followed rules of a kind.

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And I remember thinking,
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And I, there wasn't a mountain
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I was climbed in the Himalaya in, I
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Mira and I climbed Mount McKinley in
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What a sense of pride
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Through a lot of failures in
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My whole life I've been surrendering,
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And it's a movie about a rich guy who
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the middle of the Alaskan wilderness
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own friends try to kill him and he's
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terrible things happen and he makes it.

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And a journalist at the end says, that's
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And he said, we're all tested,
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And I realized for me, the things
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wrestling, boxing, being in special
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Those were validations of
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Those are validations
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I'm actually not much good
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The real test of my life.

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Greed, pride, lust, fear.

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I often fail.

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Maybe I mostly fail unless God
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And I thought, yeah man, you're
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And so to me, I realized
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wrong things my whole life.

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I'm gonna surrender to Jesus.

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I hated that word, Simon.

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I hated the word surrender.

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I didn't understand what it really meant.

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Every morning I say the Lord's prayer.

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I say the 23rd Psalm.

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I say, God, what do you
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I think sometimes I'm more aware
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that God uses me anyway.

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, Simon: Any moments you want to
share from special forces days?

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God's hand on that equipping
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Dave: I remember very early on
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I was the last one and I was the only
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And I'm getting on my knees and getting
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I heard this voice clear as day.

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It is not your time.

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What I mean by this is I remember
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selection process and part of
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This is training and the
ambush machine guns are set up.

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Claymore mines are set up.

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We're going to wipe out the enemy, this
is training, but it's evaluated, but I

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haven't eaten in, Two days, three days.

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I haven't slept in two days
and I've been moving hard.

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And so it's torture.

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And this is in the
middle of a three months.

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It's just, you're just miserable.

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You got sores all over your body.

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You haven't can't sleep.

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They're pressuring you.

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This is part of Ranger school.

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And I remember coming up with this
idea, boy, this ambush is so evil.

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Why are we practicing killing people?

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And later on, I thought, really, Dave,
do you suddenly became empathetic

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or was just pain talking to you?

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You were suffering so much.

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You suddenly became
this wise, holy person.

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That wasn't love talking.

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That was your own pain.

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And I noticed that climbing big
mountains, people quit halfway up.

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Suddenly they become very wise.

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It's not worth this.

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It's not a matter of pride.

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We should turn back.

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They didn't say that in the parking lot.

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We're going to go do it, man.

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And so wisdom comes from love,
doesn't come from anywhere else.

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And so when you, let's say, don't fight
someone because of love, that's wisdom.

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If you do it because of fear or
pain, no, that's just selfishness.

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It's just a camouflage form.

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And so this experience in the
military gave me disciplines.

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Help me pursue excellence, help me
be careful with attention to detail

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and planning and thinking ahead and
always thinking what could happen,

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what are the things that go wrong,
so you can mitigate those risks.

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You never want to be led by comfort,
by fear or by pride, but you also

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want a way to survive the mission.

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So it's never, we never say I was in
the military or in the freedom Rangers.

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We never say, Oh, it's too dangerous.

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We can't do it.

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It's too hard.

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We can't.

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O, no.

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It's does God want us to do it?

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Now we're scared.

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Now we're tired.

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Let's just be honest.

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We are God.

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We're scared and we're tired.

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Maybe we're being foolish.

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Maybe you don't want us to do this.

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Maybe those are warning signals.

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We give it back to you.

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Do you want us to do it?

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If you get that peace back in your
heart, it says, yes, you're scared.

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You're tired.

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You have bad motives.

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You want to be a hero.

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You want people to love you.

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Okay.

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There's a kind of mixed up,
but what's deep down in there.

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You're doing this because of love.

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You're doing this because I love these
people and I sent you and you check

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that and you go, okay, now, Lord, help
me survive it and use my brain, my

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wit, my spit, my tackle to find the
safest way to get to that objective.

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And I helps me to think, what if
that's my daughter right there?

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There's a scene in the documentary
movie, freedom Rangers, where

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we go to rescue this girl.

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She's hiding in her dead
mother for three days.

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ISIS is shooting down that street.

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They've already taken out a tank, they
have anti tank systems, they have RPGs,

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they have mortars, they have machine
guns, rifles, snipers, the whole thing.

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And I remember looking at that little
girl and thinking, if I was a dad

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somewhere else and I knew my little
girl was about to get killed and

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it was a stranger that could try
to save her, but in doing so would

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probably get killed, what would I say?

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I would say, please try.

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I would say, Oh no, protect yourself.

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I would say, please try save my daughter.

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And so many times when I'm under
fire, when I have to get up and go

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help someone who's getting shot at or
already shot, I don't want to do it.

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I don't even know who they are.

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I don't even know why they got there.

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I got a wife and kids.

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I don't want to die here.

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And then I pray and go,
God, you want me to go?

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And then if it's that kind of
peace, like, yeah, they need help.

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And I go, okay, that could be my kid.

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I would think very, I would not hesitate.

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That's my kid.

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So why am I hesitating?

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That's God's kid.

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So Lord Jesus, you want
me to go help me go.

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And the military gave me experiences
in leadership, in followership,

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in practical ways to get things
done, especially in war zones.

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That prepared me for this work
in Burma, in the Middle East, and

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on the places we've been called.

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Simon: Yeah.

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Listen, go on, let's go for it.

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Tell us about the Free Burma
Rangers and the journey to that.

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Dave: I'd left the Special Forces, I
was in Fuller Theological Seminary, and

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I had met a girl, her name is Karen,
I'm married to her right now, 31 years.

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and I liked her.

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She pretended not to like me.

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I don't like you, but
I'll go climbing with you.

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We're not dating, but yeah, I
guess I need to hold your hand now.

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And she'd never kissed
the guy and she kissed me.

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And but no, that didn't
really mean anything.

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I knew it meant something.

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And she was the most godly,
wonderful woman I'd ever met.

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And when I first saw her in church
in Washington state USA, She was

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like a flower coming down the aisle.

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And I thought she exuded life,
love, purity, peace, and joy.

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And she was beautiful.

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I thought, Oh God, I want
to marry a girl like that.

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Anyways, it was God's mercy
that we could get together.

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We're only, we're not dating.

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We're just climbing mountains, big
mountains, double ice axes, crampons,

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ropes, the whole thing, not hikes.

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And I'm, and she's doing it
and she'd never done it before.

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And I said, Oh God, let me marry you.

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In the middle of that, the Wa tribe
of Burma's now 74 years of civil war.

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The Wa are one of the tribes in Burma.

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One of their leaders was Christian.

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Now, most of the Wa are not Christian.

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Some tribes in Burma like the Karen
or Kareni and Chin, they're mostly

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Christian, but the Wa are only 2%.

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But the leader, the foreign minister was
a Christian and he trekked from Burma,

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Wa state Burma, which is Northern Burma.

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through central Burma into Thailand,
which is next door to Burma.

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Burma is also called Myanmar and
met my parents who are missionaries.

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Everybody knows them.

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And saw a picture of me with a
green beret at special forces in

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America and knows what that is and
says, is that guy following Jesus?

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And my dad said, yeah,
he just left the army.

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He's in seminary.

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We'll send him to Was state
because he is a warrior and we are

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warrior people, but we need Jesus.

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And my dad calls me on the phone.

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I was actually sitting across from Karen.

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I was visiting her in between seminary
and asked her to marry me three times.

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She said no every time.

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And I get this phone call.

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This is before cell phones.

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So it's a landline.

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I don't know how my dad found that number.

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And my dad up to this time in
my life had called me on the

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phone five times in my life.

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Number one, we had no phones
in Thailand when I grew up.

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We didn't exist.

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And then I was in America and
I was in the army and special

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forces all over the place.

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There were no cell phones and
we're just not that kind of family.

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We want to meet each other
and hug each other and talk.

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So he called me, that's serious.

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And I'm very close to my dad.

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And he said, Dave, I think it's
the Holy spirit, but it's, you

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got to answer the question.

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Are you going to come or not?

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I don't know.

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And I prayed and I just felt peace.

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I'm coming.

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Click, turn the camera and
go, I wish you would marry me.

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I'd love for you to marry me, but
I understand you don't want to.

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I'm out of here.

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I thought that's it.

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I'll never see her again.

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The long story short within
that week, we were engaged.

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Then we were married and
then we went in 1993.

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This is all in 1993.

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into Burma, into Was state
where our ministry started.

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And in the middle of all that war and
fighting, we saw people need help.

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And even though I don't have
much, I can do help one person and

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they'll be glad and I'll be glad.

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And that's the beginning.

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So the Freeborn Rangers
name didn't come until 1997.

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Hey, we should have a name, but
we started actually in 1993.

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And our main mission is share the
gospel of Jesus, give help, hope,

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and love, and get the news out.

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And most of that help is medical supplies,
tarps for people when they've chased out

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of their villages, hiding in the jungle
in the rainy season, they need plastic.

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If it's winter, they need
blankets, clothes, medicine.

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Encouragement.

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My wife started something called
good life club program, which it

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says Jesus came to give the words.

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He said from John 10, 10, I come
to give a life and life abundantly.

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So she called it the good life club.

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And she was at a crisis herself when
she said, how, what do I do Lord?

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About these people in war, these kids,
I can barely take care of my kids.

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We have three kids and they
all grew up in the jungles.

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I can barely take care of my kids.

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What am I gonna do about these kids?

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They're getting shot at and shell.

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I can't stop that.

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I, how I take care of all of them.

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There's thousands of them.

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And she felt Jesus say to her, you
can't take care of them, bring them

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to me, introduce them to Jesus,
and then he'll take care of them.

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So that's what the Good
Life Club started as.

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She's talked to Jesus.

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He'll help you.

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I'm here in physical form.

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I'll do all I can, but
I'm a little person.

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Jesus loves you.

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And so we started the Good Life Club.

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We now have, we've trained
thousands of people.

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But most, work for two, three years
and go back to their normal jobs that

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in the resistance, Burma, again, I
said, 74 years of fighting now between

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the ethnic groups and the dictators.

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Now the Burmans, who the majority
of Burma have joined the ethnic

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groups, it's a bigger fight.

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They are pro democracy forces of
Burmans and ethnics are slowly

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winning, although it's very bloody.

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I don't know if you get our reports,
but I've lost two people this last

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week, one day before yesterday, killed.

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One of my best guys, I was just
with him, and another one of my best

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guys just stepped on a landmine.

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This is very bloody, but our main job is
help people physically, share the gospel

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of Jesus, that's spiritual, emotional,
relational, and then get the news out.

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So I appreciate Simon just being
able to be on this show and tell

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people mostly about, remind them.

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About the love of God, the mercy of God,
the power of Jesus over all our sins, over

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Satan, over demons, over everything evil.

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He has a way for us.

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And in the end, he takes us to heaven.

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That's our main effort, but around
that is the physical things that

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humans need that we're involved
in trying to provide in Burma.

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We've got now about 150 teams from
16 ethnic groups in Burma in every

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fighting area, except maybe one or two.

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And then we also have
teams in Iraq and Syria.

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We have a partnership in Tajikistan
helping Afghans, and we have a rotation

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of chaplains and medics into Ukraine.

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Simon: Anted to interview you 'cause
even when you mentioned 1993, that's

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the date of our genocide in Burundi.

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So my 25 years in Burundi I
call it the last eight years of

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our sort of civil war and yeah.

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Lived expecting die.

471
00:20:16,514 --> 00:20:19,114
I've seen the unbelievable
documentary and it brought me to

472
00:20:19,114 --> 00:20:25,514
tears watching the stuff, the lives
you saved, on the coalface there.

473
00:20:25,594 --> 00:20:30,124
I suppose I, I lived expecting to die in
a slightly less intense way, but full on.

474
00:20:30,124 --> 00:20:32,684
And it just so sharpens you in
terms of what matters, doesn't it?

475
00:20:32,684 --> 00:20:35,944
And I got so many questions like,
cause people thought we were nuts

476
00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:41,834
having our kids in a war zone and the
risk there, choosing faith over fear,

477
00:20:42,034 --> 00:20:43,544
there's something speaking to all that.

478
00:20:43,994 --> 00:20:44,584
Dave: Yeah.

479
00:20:44,674 --> 00:20:45,474
I'm afraid a lot.

480
00:20:46,114 --> 00:20:51,424
And the antidote to fear is faith.

481
00:20:52,454 --> 00:20:53,564
Just recently.

482
00:20:53,794 --> 00:20:58,924
A girl from Ukraine who had married
one of our volunteers came from Ukraine

483
00:20:58,924 --> 00:21:02,044
to Thailand, wanted to go to Burma
with us and said, can I go to Burma?

484
00:21:02,044 --> 00:21:03,394
I said, why do you want to go to Burma?

485
00:21:03,784 --> 00:21:06,144
Number one, I want to
apologize to people of Burma.

486
00:21:06,154 --> 00:21:07,604
We Ukrainians had no idea.

487
00:21:08,009 --> 00:21:09,379
We didn't pay attention
to their suffering.

488
00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:11,829
They've been suffering for 70 plus years.

489
00:21:11,869 --> 00:21:13,079
We just started now.

490
00:21:13,079 --> 00:21:18,519
We know Number two, I'm gonna remind
them that God is the most powerful force

491
00:21:18,619 --> 00:21:22,719
they can depend on him I said, okay,
she came into Burma and she's talking

492
00:21:22,719 --> 00:21:24,269
to all these displaced Karen people.

493
00:21:24,270 --> 00:21:26,319
That's one of the tribes
in Burma in the jungle.

494
00:21:26,709 --> 00:21:28,199
And she's standing with
the Ukrainian flag.

495
00:21:28,199 --> 00:21:29,229
We have all these little flags.

496
00:21:29,629 --> 00:21:34,629
And she said, don't feed
your fear, feed your faith.

497
00:21:34,809 --> 00:21:37,829
And that's true for all of us, whether
we're in a war zone, like, like, like

498
00:21:37,829 --> 00:21:42,749
you've been in, in Burundi or other places
where the fears are right in your face.

499
00:21:43,044 --> 00:21:45,284
But you don't have to be
in a war zone to be afraid.

500
00:21:45,394 --> 00:21:46,444
Am I gonna fail the test?

501
00:21:46,444 --> 00:21:47,414
Am I gonna get fired?

502
00:21:47,644 --> 00:21:48,344
Will this happen?

503
00:21:48,344 --> 00:21:48,964
Will that happen?

504
00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:49,464
I'm sick.

505
00:21:49,464 --> 00:21:50,224
Is it cancer?

506
00:21:50,224 --> 00:21:52,314
Or my daughter's going to university.

507
00:21:52,564 --> 00:21:53,514
Is she gonna be safe?

508
00:21:53,514 --> 00:21:56,114
There's so many fears
that affect all of us.

509
00:21:56,284 --> 00:21:59,724
And that's, for me, and for I think all of
us, that's our decision we have to make.

510
00:21:59,754 --> 00:22:00,874
Which one are we gonna feed?

511
00:22:01,554 --> 00:22:04,374
And when we feed fear,
everything is worse.

512
00:22:04,564 --> 00:22:07,004
And then, usually it doesn't
even happen anyways, but we're

513
00:22:07,014 --> 00:22:09,794
miserable the whole time, even when
something terrible doesn't happen.

514
00:22:09,984 --> 00:22:11,644
And then when it does happen,
we almost give in to it.

515
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:14,619
But when you choose faith,
you enjoy every moment.

516
00:22:14,819 --> 00:22:16,489
And when something bad
happens, you're ready.

517
00:22:16,879 --> 00:22:17,539
You're on balance.

518
00:22:17,539 --> 00:22:19,529
You're not off balance
expecting something bad.

519
00:22:19,859 --> 00:22:23,139
You're open because you're acting
in faith and faithful equal love

520
00:22:23,529 --> 00:22:25,469
and perfect love casts out fear.

521
00:22:25,964 --> 00:22:28,714
So when I'm scared, I
just say, Jesus, help me.

522
00:22:29,344 --> 00:22:30,724
Give me love for that person.

523
00:22:31,194 --> 00:22:32,614
Give me the strength to do this.

524
00:22:33,094 --> 00:22:36,204
And I go in Jesus name and Jesus way.

525
00:22:37,264 --> 00:22:38,294
One story.

526
00:22:38,564 --> 00:22:41,064
So Julia standing there she's crying.

527
00:22:41,084 --> 00:22:43,004
She said, my brother
was killed in Mariopole.

528
00:22:43,014 --> 00:22:43,644
He's already dead.

529
00:22:43,964 --> 00:22:44,974
And they can relate to that.

530
00:22:44,974 --> 00:22:46,924
The Crenn and Burma go,
yeah, my brother's dead.

531
00:22:46,924 --> 00:22:47,544
My uncle's dead.

532
00:22:47,544 --> 00:22:48,264
My dad's dead.

533
00:22:48,794 --> 00:22:49,549
My father's dead.

534
00:22:49,859 --> 00:22:52,339
Out of communication in the front
line, he's 60 years old fighting.

535
00:22:52,889 --> 00:22:55,269
My mom and I cry ourselves
to sleep every night praying.

536
00:22:55,849 --> 00:22:59,189
We know what it's like, but
Jesus is bigger than all of this.

537
00:22:59,249 --> 00:23:00,919
Feed your faith, not your fear.

538
00:23:01,629 --> 00:23:05,389
And so that's what I have to remind
myself because we, all of us have

539
00:23:05,389 --> 00:23:09,559
those temptations to feed our fear or
feed our faith, but faith works well.

540
00:23:10,069 --> 00:23:10,979
Fear is horrible.

541
00:23:11,099 --> 00:23:13,339
It's destructive and it ruins us.

542
00:23:13,629 --> 00:23:16,709
But the good thing about Jesus is
even when you choose fear, even

543
00:23:16,709 --> 00:23:19,229
when you choose sin, the moment
you stop and say, I give it up.

544
00:23:20,394 --> 00:23:21,744
God gets you starting again.

545
00:23:22,494 --> 00:23:28,514
So if anybody watches our documentary,
free room arrangers you'll notice in

546
00:23:28,514 --> 00:23:32,454
part of the documentary, there's a,
an attempt to rescue a little girl.

547
00:23:33,034 --> 00:23:36,154
And this was towards the end of the
battle of Mosul when ISIS had been

548
00:23:36,154 --> 00:23:38,224
pushed to the West side of Mosul.

549
00:23:38,904 --> 00:23:44,144
And we were with the Iraqi army
providing the name of Jesus gospel help.

550
00:23:44,814 --> 00:23:49,229
And in, in the context, the Iraqi
general I worked with, A Muslim,

551
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:54,619
General Mustafa, said, I prayed to God
to send help to us when we were losing

552
00:23:54,619 --> 00:23:56,689
our country to ISIS starting in 2014.

553
00:23:57,329 --> 00:23:58,539
And what did God send?

554
00:23:59,019 --> 00:24:01,349
The two worst things,
an American Christian.

555
00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:04,939
And at the end of the battle, he
said, Thank you for showing us

556
00:24:04,939 --> 00:24:06,239
what it means to follow Jesus.

557
00:24:07,549 --> 00:24:11,659
Anyway, so I was with General Mustafa with
the Iraqi army taking care of displaced

558
00:24:11,659 --> 00:24:16,149
people as they fled Isis Some of them
were Isis and then treating Iraqi wounded.

559
00:24:16,639 --> 00:24:21,029
I myself was wounded four times I've
face to face with Isis multiple times

560
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:25,379
shooting at me and back and forth and
these things were our experience a lot

561
00:24:25,379 --> 00:24:29,629
of death a lot of destruction and By
the end of the battle Simon, I had a

562
00:24:29,649 --> 00:24:35,889
core like I felt like I had a cone or a
core A cylinder of sorrow right here in

563
00:24:35,889 --> 00:24:40,989
my body, I remembered my first day of
seminary when my professor Chuck Kraft

564
00:24:40,989 --> 00:24:43,279
said You can live well with sorrow.

565
00:24:43,829 --> 00:24:47,479
You can't live well with shame.Jesus wept.

566
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:52,089
Sorrow is all about love, so it hurts
a lot, but we can live well with it.

567
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,319
We can still love other people
and cry for someone else.

568
00:24:54,389 --> 00:24:55,559
Shame, we can't live with.

569
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:57,779
It destroys us, and Jesus
will take that away.

570
00:24:57,819 --> 00:25:01,759
So anyways, we're in the Battle of Mosul,
with a lot of sorrow, but a lot of love

571
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:06,379
too, and feeling useful helping the Iraqi
soldiers and helping people fleeing.

572
00:25:06,914 --> 00:25:09,894
And one particular afternoon,
there was a lot of fighting.

573
00:25:09,894 --> 00:25:11,404
We got to turn around this block.

574
00:25:11,404 --> 00:25:14,964
I tried to put my head out in the
street, machine guns, rockets going by.

575
00:25:15,044 --> 00:25:16,314
And you can't even look out there.

576
00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:19,634
And someone crawls up,
shot up and we helped them.

577
00:25:19,854 --> 00:25:20,744
And a guy comes running.

578
00:25:20,744 --> 00:25:21,664
He's not shot any kids.

579
00:25:21,664 --> 00:25:22,654
They're killing the kids.

580
00:25:22,654 --> 00:25:23,694
They killed all my kids.

581
00:25:23,694 --> 00:25:24,174
They killed them.

582
00:25:24,174 --> 00:25:25,514
The kids, he's crying and crying.

583
00:25:26,239 --> 00:25:27,029
Back down there.

584
00:25:27,059 --> 00:25:27,889
Can someone save?

585
00:25:27,929 --> 00:25:28,879
Maybe some are left.

586
00:25:29,849 --> 00:25:30,669
By now it's dark.

587
00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:31,579
We try to go down there.

588
00:25:31,589 --> 00:25:32,889
More shooting, more wounded.

589
00:25:32,889 --> 00:25:33,939
We're just taking care of the wounded.

590
00:25:34,139 --> 00:25:36,809
The next morning, it's
just starting to get light.

591
00:25:36,869 --> 00:25:40,889
I look out and I just see
bundles of rags and things.

592
00:25:40,889 --> 00:25:42,579
And think that's a pretty messy street.

593
00:25:42,589 --> 00:25:43,689
There's a lot of debris and rubble.

594
00:25:43,729 --> 00:25:44,169
And I look.

595
00:25:44,239 --> 00:25:45,249
Those aren't bundles of rags.

596
00:25:45,249 --> 00:25:46,009
Those are people.

597
00:25:46,229 --> 00:25:46,819
They're dead.

598
00:25:47,364 --> 00:25:50,494
And then I looked probably only 10
meters from me as a little baby in

599
00:25:50,494 --> 00:25:55,254
swaddling clothes with a bullet right
in her forehead and then right behind

600
00:25:55,254 --> 00:25:58,514
her where she'd evidently fallen was her
mother, a bullet in the back of her head.

601
00:25:59,044 --> 00:26:01,824
So the sniper had gone, boom,
the baby, boom, the mom.

602
00:26:01,974 --> 00:26:04,334
Then I looked and go, oh,
that's not a broken piece of

603
00:26:04,354 --> 00:26:05,654
machinery, that's a wheelchair.

604
00:26:06,044 --> 00:26:09,384
Someone slumped over shot and the
caregiver had been pushing it shot.

605
00:26:09,864 --> 00:26:12,834
And then I looked, there's another
wheelchair and a guy and a woman flipped

606
00:26:12,834 --> 00:26:14,664
upside down, shot and the man shot.

607
00:26:14,914 --> 00:26:16,314
And then I looked, I
started counting bodies.

608
00:26:16,314 --> 00:26:18,664
There's over 150 people
shot in the street.

609
00:26:19,024 --> 00:26:22,374
And ISIS was still at this
big hospital shooting.

610
00:26:23,374 --> 00:26:25,454
Then I looked and there were kids.

611
00:26:25,884 --> 00:26:29,274
Still alive, crawling
around trying to get water.

612
00:26:29,834 --> 00:26:33,224
I remember this what looked to be like
a two year old kid with no pants on,

613
00:26:33,234 --> 00:26:37,274
just a shirt stumbling around looking
for water, touching, trying to wake the

614
00:26:37,274 --> 00:26:38,834
dead bodies that probably of his parents.

615
00:26:39,234 --> 00:26:39,644
He's dead.

616
00:26:40,889 --> 00:26:41,729
What are we going to do?

617
00:26:42,419 --> 00:26:43,979
Can't even get an armored vehicle.

618
00:26:43,989 --> 00:26:46,589
The first armored vehicle went
on and got blown up on fire.

619
00:26:46,939 --> 00:26:47,519
Oh man.

620
00:26:48,609 --> 00:26:51,639
They're posing the street
down machine guns, rockets.

621
00:26:51,639 --> 00:26:56,129
They had a ZSU 23 on an elevator
in the hospital as an anti aircraft

622
00:26:56,129 --> 00:26:57,689
weapon, which also destroyed tanks.

623
00:26:57,689 --> 00:26:58,949
You can't move on that street.

624
00:26:59,479 --> 00:27:01,709
So I prayed and prayed, how are
we going to save these kids?

625
00:27:02,469 --> 00:27:07,929
And I had a plan to, and I'm
talking to the Americans.

626
00:27:07,929 --> 00:27:09,099
I'm ex special forces.

627
00:27:09,099 --> 00:27:11,469
I had some American military friends.

628
00:27:12,059 --> 00:27:15,314
The real key though, isn't my connections.

629
00:27:15,364 --> 00:27:17,594
The real key is the commanding general.

630
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:23,874
That operation was general Scott
Eflont and he was a follower of Jesus.

631
00:27:23,914 --> 00:27:26,894
The one to form the same
Robertson, both these guys.

632
00:27:27,294 --> 00:27:30,694
And they said, the most important
thing is God, then our country,

633
00:27:30,804 --> 00:27:32,734
then our military, then ourselves.

634
00:27:33,194 --> 00:27:36,584
And so when I talked to him, he called
me the, he called me the two meter

635
00:27:36,584 --> 00:27:38,214
drone, cause I was always reporting.

636
00:27:38,669 --> 00:27:39,409
What was happening?

637
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:41,619
So I said, Hey, can you give me smoke?

638
00:27:41,939 --> 00:27:45,839
If you give me enough smoke to obscure
the hospital where they're shooting at

639
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,299
us, I can maybe get this kid by now.

640
00:27:48,309 --> 00:27:49,919
Simon, there's only one kid left alive.

641
00:27:50,489 --> 00:27:51,569
One kid left alive.

642
00:27:51,579 --> 00:27:51,939
That's it.

643
00:27:52,089 --> 00:27:52,639
They're all dead.

644
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,329
And joining all the other
dead bodies in Sweden.

645
00:27:55,329 --> 00:27:58,019
The kid left alive is
hiding under her mother.

646
00:27:58,029 --> 00:28:01,099
The reason she's alive is her mother's
been dead for three days and she's hiding

647
00:28:01,099 --> 00:28:02,629
underneath her and she doesn't move.

648
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,569
And so to the enemy, they
can't really see her.

649
00:28:05,819 --> 00:28:07,539
You see this body and.

650
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:11,129
I asked the Iraqi general, not
General Mustafa, a different general.

651
00:28:11,529 --> 00:28:18,169
I said, please give me one tank to go
first and blast at ISIS, one armored

652
00:28:18,169 --> 00:28:20,049
bulldozer to clear the big rubble out.

653
00:28:20,049 --> 00:28:21,579
This is massive amounts of rubble.

654
00:28:21,919 --> 00:28:23,729
And then three armored Humvees.

655
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,899
I had one armored Humvee
myself, I used for medical.

656
00:28:26,239 --> 00:28:31,349
Three of theirs and mine in column
behind the tank and the armored bulldozer

657
00:28:31,449 --> 00:28:35,069
will drive right up to where the
wall is, where this remaining kit is.

658
00:28:35,409 --> 00:28:36,619
Get her in the vehicle and get out.

659
00:28:36,649 --> 00:28:39,389
It's the only way there's
so much fire coming down.

660
00:28:39,419 --> 00:28:40,959
And they, he said, no way.

661
00:28:41,429 --> 00:28:42,389
I was like, wow.

662
00:28:42,889 --> 00:28:44,049
Finally, I just went back and prayed.

663
00:28:44,049 --> 00:28:44,729
My daughter was with me.

664
00:28:44,729 --> 00:28:45,669
She was driving an armored ambulance.

665
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,639
She's 16 years old,
driving armored ambulance.

666
00:28:47,639 --> 00:28:49,939
The reason she was driving because
some of the men couldn't drive

667
00:28:49,939 --> 00:28:53,769
stick, but she could drive six
shift and okay, honey, you're it.

668
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,059
And she's very calm and cool.

669
00:28:55,069 --> 00:28:56,259
She's now in nursing school.

670
00:28:56,664 --> 00:29:00,254
But anyway, and it's funny when she
says, Dad, here in nursing school,

671
00:29:00,254 --> 00:29:02,854
they talk about us being at the front
line of this, the front line of that.

672
00:29:02,854 --> 00:29:04,304
They have no idea what a front line is.

673
00:29:05,664 --> 00:29:09,684
But anyways, she she's a follower of
Jesus, which is the most important thing.

674
00:29:10,154 --> 00:29:14,104
So she's driving the ambulance and
she's not going to go out on the rescue.

675
00:29:14,104 --> 00:29:15,214
I'm trying to figure out this rescue.

676
00:29:15,214 --> 00:29:16,764
And finally she just prays for me.

677
00:29:16,774 --> 00:29:20,204
And one of my chaplains from
Thailand, back still in Thailand,

678
00:29:20,204 --> 00:29:21,504
Paul Bradley, he prays for me.

679
00:29:21,654 --> 00:29:24,314
And I just felt the Holy Spirit
come over me with confidence.

680
00:29:24,424 --> 00:29:25,324
Confidence in what?

681
00:29:25,784 --> 00:29:26,804
Nothing had changed.

682
00:29:26,974 --> 00:29:28,204
I felt God's presence.

683
00:29:28,324 --> 00:29:29,654
Okay, we're going to do it.

684
00:29:29,664 --> 00:29:30,344
I don't know how.

685
00:29:30,674 --> 00:29:34,474
So I go to the general again and he's
gone and I get the second in command.

686
00:29:34,474 --> 00:29:34,974
He's a colonel.

687
00:29:34,974 --> 00:29:35,904
I said, will you come with me?

688
00:29:35,914 --> 00:29:36,294
He goes, yeah.

689
00:29:36,294 --> 00:29:38,704
I've taken him to that building
on the edge of the street.

690
00:29:38,704 --> 00:29:40,874
We stick our heads out
the window, boom, man.

691
00:29:41,094 --> 00:29:42,314
Oh, he almost gets killed.

692
00:29:42,784 --> 00:29:43,434
ISIS is here.

693
00:29:43,434 --> 00:29:44,165
I said yeah.

694
00:29:44,655 --> 00:29:46,774
Give me this bulldozer
and a tank and humvees.

695
00:29:46,774 --> 00:29:47,584
He goes, no way.

696
00:29:47,824 --> 00:29:48,194
That's all.

697
00:29:48,224 --> 00:29:49,284
We only have two tanks left.

698
00:29:49,354 --> 00:29:52,434
I'm really sorry about the kids,
but there's a, the war has got to

699
00:29:52,434 --> 00:29:54,564
go on and we have many more kids.

700
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:59,869
And I said, if God told you, if Allah
told you to do it, would you do it?

701
00:30:00,099 --> 00:30:03,209
And he goes of course I
said, let's pray right now.

702
00:30:03,749 --> 00:30:07,469
And using in my mind that there's
two ways you can define Allah.

703
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:10,779
You can define Allah as
the Arabic word for God.

704
00:30:11,179 --> 00:30:14,399
Or you can define Allah as
the God of Islam, which is

705
00:30:14,399 --> 00:30:16,039
different than the God of Jesus.

706
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:17,859
Depends how you define it.

707
00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:21,979
But I was choosing at that moment to
talk to the living God I know about, but

708
00:30:21,979 --> 00:30:23,869
using the name that they call Him, Allah.

709
00:30:24,139 --> 00:30:27,439
And I said, I grabbed this colonel's
hand and I said, Dear Allah,

710
00:30:28,409 --> 00:30:29,909
tell this colonel what to do.

711
00:30:30,619 --> 00:30:36,789
In Jesus name, in Messiah's name,
in Esau's name, in Yeshua's name.

712
00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:38,889
Every name I knew for Jesus,
they would understand.

713
00:30:38,899 --> 00:30:40,199
That's what I prayed in His name.

714
00:30:41,009 --> 00:30:44,679
And he opened his eyes and looked
at me, and I said, What did God tell

715
00:30:44,679 --> 00:30:48,279
you, and he said one tank, that's it.

716
00:30:48,299 --> 00:30:48,959
Take it or leave it.

717
00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:49,579
I'll take it.

718
00:30:50,499 --> 00:30:51,819
Hey, whoever wants to go come with me.

719
00:30:51,819 --> 00:30:52,879
We said the Lord's prayer.

720
00:30:52,999 --> 00:30:54,339
We don't have a armored bulldozer.

721
00:30:54,339 --> 00:30:55,329
We don't have humvees.

722
00:30:55,329 --> 00:30:58,199
We're going to run behind this tank, which
works in a movie, but not in real life.

723
00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:02,919
And now you're completely exposed to the
sides and over the top to enemy fire.

724
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:04,249
And it's terrifying.

725
00:31:04,249 --> 00:31:06,279
It felt like if you've
ever been a rollercoaster.

726
00:31:06,469 --> 00:31:08,249
And you get to the very
top of the roller coaster.

727
00:31:08,249 --> 00:31:11,749
Imagine if you're in that little cart
at the very high point before you

728
00:31:11,749 --> 00:31:16,659
plunge down, you automatically ejected
yourself and just flew off like suicide.

729
00:31:16,669 --> 00:31:17,439
That's what it felt like.

730
00:31:17,459 --> 00:31:18,599
Like, Oh my gosh.

731
00:31:19,019 --> 00:31:19,629
Terrifying.

732
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:22,379
So there was five of us
running behind the tank.

733
00:31:22,629 --> 00:31:25,499
Myself, one of our volunteers
named sky, a new volunteer named

734
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,789
Ephraim monkey, co founder of the
free brim arrangers from Burma.

735
00:31:29,219 --> 00:31:32,199
And a guy named Mahmoud, Syrian
refugee, who's a translator.

736
00:31:32,199 --> 00:31:33,709
We had no idea he was going on a rescue.

737
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:34,359
It's very funny.

738
00:31:34,369 --> 00:31:34,909
Almost like Mr.

739
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:35,119
Bean.

740
00:31:35,349 --> 00:31:36,489
Actually, we were all like Mr.

741
00:31:36,489 --> 00:31:37,919
Bean, except Mr.

742
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:38,729
Bean with Jesus.

743
00:31:39,419 --> 00:31:40,929
And we run behind this tank.

744
00:31:41,659 --> 00:31:42,649
ICES is shooting at us.

745
00:31:42,649 --> 00:31:44,499
They're dropping mortars
around us, firing RPGs.

746
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:45,729
Machine guns bop.

747
00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:47,689
The tank is firing its main gun doo.

748
00:31:47,889 --> 00:31:49,469
And it's coaxial machine gun, k k.

749
00:31:49,889 --> 00:31:50,699
And we're just running.

750
00:31:51,019 --> 00:31:52,249
And the smoke starts to go away.

751
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,089
The tank stops at the
corner and the smoke's gone.

752
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:55,169
I'm like, oh my gosh.

753
00:31:55,299 --> 00:31:58,129
Lord, I get, I have an
iPhone, unsecure iPhone.

754
00:31:58,139 --> 00:31:59,169
This is not James Bond.

755
00:31:59,599 --> 00:32:00,919
I call up the American general.

756
00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:02,109
Can you give me more smoke?

757
00:32:02,199 --> 00:32:02,659
On it.

758
00:32:03,099 --> 00:32:05,619
They're dropping 155 howitzer smoke.

759
00:32:05,924 --> 00:32:10,374
White phosphorus, which is really
thick white cloud in front of us.

760
00:32:10,424 --> 00:32:12,714
Obscure Isis is shooting,
but they can't see us now.

761
00:32:12,724 --> 00:32:16,514
I run out, I get the girl to pull
her off her mother cause she's

762
00:32:16,514 --> 00:32:17,714
clinging to her dead mother.

763
00:32:18,214 --> 00:32:20,934
And she's, I come out of
the smoke and gunfire.

764
00:32:20,934 --> 00:32:21,724
She's probably like, what?

765
00:32:21,844 --> 00:32:22,564
I'm going to die.

766
00:32:23,014 --> 00:32:23,764
I fall down.

767
00:32:23,784 --> 00:32:24,514
I see this day.

768
00:32:24,514 --> 00:32:26,142
I don't know if there were
so many bullets around me.

769
00:32:26,142 --> 00:32:29,053
I don't know if that I was on this
rubble shot and I fell or I just

770
00:32:29,053 --> 00:32:31,479
tripped, I don't know, but I went
down, but I never let go of her.

771
00:32:31,819 --> 00:32:35,379
And I just, she slammed into the rock,
into the rubble right next to me.

772
00:32:35,379 --> 00:32:37,249
I said, sorry, girl, but
it's not gonna let you go.

773
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,819
I got up and got behind the tank and
realize there's two men still alive.

774
00:32:40,879 --> 00:32:42,979
They're faking dead,
pretending to be dead.

775
00:32:43,339 --> 00:32:44,209
Oh, we can't leave them.

776
00:32:44,569 --> 00:32:45,549
So we run back and get them.

777
00:32:45,549 --> 00:32:46,419
The tank's firing.

778
00:32:46,739 --> 00:32:47,819
We're dragging the two men.

779
00:32:47,839 --> 00:32:49,679
I'm carrying the girl
and helping drag one man.

780
00:32:49,959 --> 00:32:52,759
One of my guys gets shot
through the calf Ephraim.

781
00:32:53,369 --> 00:32:59,014
And he drops one of them in, that guy gets
killed, we are able to rescue the girl,

782
00:32:59,014 --> 00:33:02,154
Damoa, that's her name we find out, it
means tear, I'm holding onto her, she's

783
00:33:02,154 --> 00:33:06,724
five years old, got the blood of her
mother stained into her clothes, and they,

784
00:33:06,834 --> 00:33:12,004
and pulling this other wounded guy out,
and we get out, and RMV comes and picks

785
00:33:12,004 --> 00:33:15,364
us up under fire, we get everybody out,
get the little girl out, get in RMV, my

786
00:33:15,364 --> 00:33:17,549
daughter's with me now, She's given water.

787
00:33:17,549 --> 00:33:19,089
This girl hasn't drank in three days.

788
00:33:19,189 --> 00:33:20,969
Just bought six bottles of water.

789
00:33:20,969 --> 00:33:24,459
She drank on the way to a clinic and
then taking the other wounded guy.

790
00:33:25,439 --> 00:33:31,199
So before that happened, I remember that
day before the rescue, I thought there's

791
00:33:31,199 --> 00:33:32,639
no way to do this and not get killed.

792
00:33:33,034 --> 00:33:36,364
But again, as I said earlier, if that
was my daughter, I'd want someone to try.

793
00:33:36,704 --> 00:33:39,634
And then when I was behind the tank,
getting ready to run out under the

794
00:33:39,924 --> 00:33:44,094
gunfire or into the gunfire, I was
pretty sure I was going to be dead.

795
00:33:44,374 --> 00:33:45,734
I did not feel heroic or brave.

796
00:33:46,114 --> 00:33:48,844
I felt terrified, but I
felt resolved and committed.

797
00:33:48,854 --> 00:33:54,104
And I thought this, if I die doing this,
my wife and children will understand.

798
00:33:54,105 --> 00:33:56,644
It was for love, nothing else for love.

799
00:33:57,394 --> 00:33:58,084
It's okay.

800
00:33:58,225 --> 00:34:01,834
And when I had her in my arms
and I got back to safety, I just

801
00:34:01,834 --> 00:34:03,614
said, God, thank you for this.

802
00:34:03,664 --> 00:34:05,754
Thank you for allowing
me to be part of this.

803
00:34:05,784 --> 00:34:07,484
I was just one small part.

804
00:34:08,034 --> 00:34:12,774
There was my daughter who prayed
my wife and my other daughter

805
00:34:12,774 --> 00:34:13,904
and son who were praying.

806
00:34:14,164 --> 00:34:18,094
My team that was in support, the
chaplain from Thailand, praying the

807
00:34:18,094 --> 00:34:23,224
Iraqi tank, the American smoke, my
other teammates, all of us together.

808
00:34:23,254 --> 00:34:27,014
We did this together, but without God,
I don't think we could have done it.

809
00:34:27,104 --> 00:34:29,034
So we rescued this girl named Demoa.

810
00:34:29,034 --> 00:34:29,644
Her name is Tear.

811
00:34:29,644 --> 00:34:30,584
She's alive today.

812
00:34:31,204 --> 00:34:35,984
And I met her grandmother about seven
months later and her aunt, the only

813
00:34:36,014 --> 00:34:40,144
people surviving in her family and her
grandmother dropped down to kiss my

814
00:34:40,144 --> 00:34:42,284
feet when I met her and I picked her up.

815
00:34:42,284 --> 00:34:43,054
It's so embarrassing.

816
00:34:43,234 --> 00:34:46,244
She said, do not make
me break my vow to God.

817
00:34:46,764 --> 00:34:47,904
She got really mad at me.

818
00:34:48,264 --> 00:34:51,374
I swore to God I would kiss the feet
of the man who saved my granddaughter.

819
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,209
And I was like, Oh, it's okay.

820
00:34:53,229 --> 00:34:53,349
Okay.

821
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:54,659
And I hugged her and she's crying.

822
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:58,519
And she said, I have a story to tell
you on June the 2nd, I was in Baghdad.

823
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:02,459
I knew my daughter was
married to ISIS in Mosul.

824
00:35:02,849 --> 00:35:03,919
I didn't know what happened to him though.

825
00:35:04,089 --> 00:35:06,079
I've been out of touch for a few years.

826
00:35:06,799 --> 00:35:08,859
And I know I have grandkids,
but I've hardly seen them.

827
00:35:10,089 --> 00:35:14,029
But on June the 2nd, which is the day
of the rescue, the exact day of the

828
00:35:14,029 --> 00:35:18,619
rescue, June the 2nd, 2017, I'm in
Mosul, in the middle of this rescue.

829
00:35:18,809 --> 00:35:22,359
The grandmother of Damoa is in
Baghdad, and she sees a vision.

830
00:35:22,909 --> 00:35:27,314
In my vision, I saw my son in
law and my daughter, We're dead.

831
00:35:27,424 --> 00:35:31,344
All the kids were dead, but the Mo
was alive, and she's hiding under

832
00:35:31,344 --> 00:35:35,904
my dead daughter in this vision, and
there were dead people everywhere.

833
00:35:35,924 --> 00:35:36,984
Rubble of the street.

834
00:35:37,024 --> 00:35:40,834
Isis is shooting, and there was like
a line, like a small stream of evil

835
00:35:40,834 --> 00:35:42,254
to separate the living from the dead.

836
00:35:42,874 --> 00:35:46,544
And I looked at this vision with
horror, realizing my daughter's dead.

837
00:35:46,614 --> 00:35:47,874
All my grandkids are dead.

838
00:35:47,874 --> 00:35:48,535
There's one alive.

839
00:35:48,535 --> 00:35:49,814
Who can save her?

840
00:35:49,814 --> 00:35:59,419
And a man shining in white with flashing
eyes, golden hair, And a sword stepped

841
00:35:59,419 --> 00:36:05,059
across that stream of evil through
the gunfire and rescued my daughter.

842
00:36:05,779 --> 00:36:09,559
She said, I saw that and I was going to
tell you and I said, I don't know who

843
00:36:09,569 --> 00:36:14,479
that was, but I think it was Jesus and
he sent us because that's what God does.

844
00:36:15,314 --> 00:36:18,744
He normally sends people to
help other people by his power.

845
00:36:18,914 --> 00:36:20,444
Without his power, we
couldn't have done it.

846
00:36:20,524 --> 00:36:24,484
We couldn't have done it, but you got
to see what was behind our actions.

847
00:36:24,574 --> 00:36:27,734
The power of Jesus who cares about
your granddaughter and cares about you.

848
00:36:27,964 --> 00:36:32,644
So to me, I have a few stories like
that, that I've experienced, like where

849
00:36:32,644 --> 00:36:35,039
people saw things, these were Muslims.

850
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:39,549
They saw things that God showed them,
and they showed them the power of Jesus.

851
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,619
One of my men, Muhammad, he
appears in the video, in the movie.

852
00:36:43,619 --> 00:36:46,889
We baptize him later than Tigris,
which is not in the video.

853
00:36:47,369 --> 00:36:49,879
When he was shot, you'll see this
in the documentary if you watch

854
00:36:49,879 --> 00:36:51,739
it, he's dying in the hospital.

855
00:36:51,739 --> 00:36:53,389
He's shot actually eight times.

856
00:36:53,569 --> 00:36:59,509
But his sister in another part of Baghdad,
and he's shot in Mosul, had a vision the

857
00:36:59,509 --> 00:37:01,239
same time he's taken to the hospital.

858
00:37:01,349 --> 00:37:05,019
And I saw my brother prepared for
death, and the doctors gave up on him.

859
00:37:05,424 --> 00:37:09,044
And then I saw Jesus or someone who
looked, she didn't say Jesus said

860
00:37:09,324 --> 00:37:13,464
a man shining in white, bright and
beautiful, the most handsome man and

861
00:37:13,464 --> 00:37:18,084
full of power came up and picked up my
brother Mohammed and said he's mine.

862
00:37:19,294 --> 00:37:22,204
At that same moment, they figured
out later the doctor came in and

863
00:37:22,204 --> 00:37:23,504
said, Hey, that guy's still alive.

864
00:37:23,504 --> 00:37:24,114
Let's work on him.

865
00:37:24,914 --> 00:37:25,994
And Mohammed was saved.

866
00:37:26,739 --> 00:37:32,659
These are experiences of the power
of Jesus that we've seen in Burma,

867
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,289
in Iraq, in Syria, in Afghanistan,
Tajikistan, Ukraine, all over.

868
00:37:38,799 --> 00:37:40,919
And thanks for letting
me share some of them.

869
00:37:42,959 --> 00:37:45,939
Simon: So in the film, and what people
got to understand is that part of Dave's

870
00:37:46,119 --> 00:37:49,839
strategy is in filming all this, having
people there who are totally risking their

871
00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,639
lives running behind the tank with him.

872
00:37:51,929 --> 00:37:56,389
It means that these, all these abuses
are documented for the world to see.

873
00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:59,709
And so it's incredibly dangerous,
incredibly powerful, but just

874
00:37:59,709 --> 00:38:04,029
tell us, Dave, about Shaheen and I
just find that incredibly moving.

875
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:05,619
Dave: Yes.

876
00:38:05,939 --> 00:38:08,949
I'm glad you said it's incredibly
dangerous because it is.

877
00:38:09,769 --> 00:38:13,629
And just the other day when one
of my team members was killed,

878
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:20,209
my wife said, Dave, of course, this is
deadly business wars, deadly business.

879
00:38:20,209 --> 00:38:22,989
And it is just brutal Simon.

880
00:38:22,989 --> 00:38:26,059
When I first got involved
in it, some of it I liked.

881
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:26,819
I like the action.

882
00:38:26,929 --> 00:38:27,779
I like running around.

883
00:38:27,779 --> 00:38:28,779
Boom, bang, boom, bang.

884
00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:32,379
But when you start getting your friends
killed, when you see people killed

885
00:38:32,379 --> 00:38:33,639
around you, when you see the yeah.

886
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:38,079
Absolute evil and mayhem and destruction
of death even amongst your enemies.

887
00:38:38,399 --> 00:38:39,239
It's heartbreaking.

888
00:38:39,919 --> 00:38:43,079
It is dangerous And so it makes
us ask we supposed to do this.

889
00:38:43,139 --> 00:38:47,024
We supposed to do this, but we
document Like you said, because

890
00:38:47,034 --> 00:38:48,724
one, we want to show the victims.

891
00:38:48,844 --> 00:38:49,534
You're not alone.

892
00:38:50,124 --> 00:38:50,734
You're not alone.

893
00:38:50,734 --> 00:38:52,544
This really, we're going to
tell the world what happened.

894
00:38:52,544 --> 00:38:53,754
This didn't happen in darkness.

895
00:38:54,274 --> 00:38:55,294
We're going to tell this story.

896
00:38:55,464 --> 00:38:56,864
We want to show the perpetrators.

897
00:38:57,204 --> 00:38:58,304
This is what you're doing.

898
00:38:59,234 --> 00:39:00,044
It's not good.

899
00:39:00,644 --> 00:39:03,444
We want to tell our supporters
and friends, thanks for helping.

900
00:39:03,444 --> 00:39:04,214
This is what's going on.

901
00:39:04,214 --> 00:39:07,094
We want to tell people who
don't know and may not care.

902
00:39:07,094 --> 00:39:08,994
This is what's happening as a witness.

903
00:39:09,004 --> 00:39:10,464
So we document every team.

904
00:39:10,785 --> 00:39:14,744
Our FBR Free Burma Ranger teams
have a team leader, a medic,

905
00:39:15,114 --> 00:39:17,924
a good life club counselor, a
videographer and photographer.

906
00:39:18,134 --> 00:39:19,304
We're always telling the story.

907
00:39:19,954 --> 00:39:25,624
And so when we were, before I met
Shaheen, who is the Yazidi from Northern

908
00:39:25,624 --> 00:39:30,054
Kurdistan in Northern Iraq, before I
met him, we were actually on a mission

909
00:39:30,064 --> 00:39:33,744
in Burma in 2014 and early 2015.

910
00:39:34,304 --> 00:39:36,274
And we had the Burma army all around us.

911
00:39:37,029 --> 00:39:40,029
And to get through them on that,
we were walking for two months to

912
00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:42,939
get through them to go back because
of the way they were configured.

913
00:39:42,959 --> 00:39:47,639
It would take me 19 more days is going
20 plus miles a day with full gear,

914
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:51,359
avoiding them up and down mountains
to get back to a border where I could.

915
00:39:51,714 --> 00:39:54,374
Get back to our base in
Thailand about 19 days.

916
00:39:54,564 --> 00:39:58,744
If we won't move fast, I get an email
on our little satellite system, which we

917
00:39:58,744 --> 00:40:00,594
open every day, a little backpack system.

918
00:40:01,174 --> 00:40:02,854
And it's from a friend of
mine, Victor Marks, who has

919
00:40:02,854 --> 00:40:04,404
a ministry around the world.

920
00:40:04,684 --> 00:40:07,554
And Victor goes, Dave, your
group doesn't have any rules.

921
00:40:08,109 --> 00:40:10,019
You know what's going
on in Iraq with ISIS?

922
00:40:10,019 --> 00:40:11,819
They're killing people,
especially Yazidis.

923
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:14,409
They hate the Yazidis, which are
their own little religion, kind of

924
00:40:14,409 --> 00:40:18,609
Zoroastrian religion, a mix between
Zoroastrianism, Christianity,

925
00:40:18,609 --> 00:40:19,699
and Islam all mixed together.

926
00:40:19,699 --> 00:40:20,409
ISIS hates it.

927
00:40:20,779 --> 00:40:22,959
And they would kill Yazidi
men and capture and rape them.

928
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,419
Yeah, I said I heard about it.

929
00:40:25,419 --> 00:40:26,239
He said come and help.

930
00:40:26,969 --> 00:40:30,049
Be here in seven days, seven days.

931
00:40:30,839 --> 00:40:35,849
It will take me at least 19 walking
hard to get to an international border.

932
00:40:35,849 --> 00:40:39,259
And then I got to do like five
more days to get back to Thailand.

933
00:40:39,259 --> 00:40:40,099
And then I can come.

934
00:40:40,349 --> 00:40:41,069
That's a month.

935
00:40:42,179 --> 00:40:43,029
And, but we'll pray.

936
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:43,639
And we prayed.

937
00:40:44,269 --> 00:40:45,909
If God opens the way we'll be there.

938
00:40:46,439 --> 00:40:47,759
Like Iraq, we're going to Iraq.

939
00:40:47,789 --> 00:40:48,749
We're going to Kurdistan.

940
00:40:48,759 --> 00:40:49,289
Where's that?

941
00:40:49,299 --> 00:40:51,749
And my ethnic team leaders were
all with me and said if God opens

942
00:40:51,769 --> 00:40:52,729
the way, I think you should go.

943
00:40:52,989 --> 00:40:53,589
Just like that.

944
00:40:54,054 --> 00:40:54,464
Okay.

945
00:40:54,634 --> 00:40:57,724
The next morning, the Burma
army was blocking our way.

946
00:40:57,784 --> 00:41:02,954
The short way out got lost and
a way open, like a real miracle.

947
00:41:03,434 --> 00:41:07,384
Instead of 19 days, three days, hard
walking almost 30 miles each day.

948
00:41:07,384 --> 00:41:11,914
We got to this border within seven
days, my son and I were in Iraq.

949
00:41:12,454 --> 00:41:13,794
There's no way I can account for it.

950
00:41:13,794 --> 00:41:18,054
I said, God, so I'm telling that to the
listeners, how do you go to these places?

951
00:41:18,064 --> 00:41:18,954
One, we're invited.

952
00:41:19,289 --> 00:41:21,489
Second, God does something we can't do.

953
00:41:21,729 --> 00:41:25,329
That's true of our, that's true
of how we got to help the Yazidis.

954
00:41:25,329 --> 00:41:27,969
That's the story I'm telling, but
it's also true how we got to Ukraine,

955
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:29,429
how we got to all these places.

956
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,759
We were invited, but God
did something extra anyway.

957
00:41:32,949 --> 00:41:36,469
So we went to the Sinjar mountain,
which were the main Yazidis live in

958
00:41:36,669 --> 00:41:41,529
the Northwestern corner of Kurdistan,
Iraq, and we needed translators.

959
00:41:41,699 --> 00:41:43,529
And Victor had said, Hey, I met this guy.

960
00:41:44,089 --> 00:41:44,849
I'm Shaheen.

961
00:41:44,849 --> 00:41:45,609
He'll be really good for you.

962
00:41:45,609 --> 00:41:46,249
And I meet Shaheen.

963
00:41:46,249 --> 00:41:48,729
And he's the funniest guy, super profane.

964
00:41:48,949 --> 00:41:51,669
Using bad words all the time, but
he uses them in a very funny way.

965
00:41:52,169 --> 00:41:54,019
He made us laugh all the time.

966
00:41:54,409 --> 00:41:56,619
And little glimpses of
that in the documentary.

967
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:02,399
But real wise guy, real sarcastic,
respect for nobody, and he hated Arabs.

968
00:42:02,519 --> 00:42:04,379
Because ISIS are Arabs.

969
00:42:04,449 --> 00:42:07,579
And even before ISIS, they
were oppressed by the Arabs.

970
00:42:07,739 --> 00:42:08,809
He hated them.

971
00:42:08,939 --> 00:42:12,149
And he complained about everybody,
complained about America not doing

972
00:42:12,149 --> 00:42:15,679
enough to help, about England not doing
enough, the West, everybody was cowards.

973
00:42:16,029 --> 00:42:19,439
And we're on top of Sinjar Mountain,
where there's about 50, 000

974
00:42:19,479 --> 00:42:21,409
displaced people, and below is ISIS.

975
00:42:21,959 --> 00:42:26,919
And I'm going to go, I got my wife and
kids on top of the mountain, ministering

976
00:42:26,939 --> 00:42:28,879
to the IDPs, living in tents with them.

977
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:32,779
Doing kids programs, providing food
and comfort and being with them.

978
00:42:32,999 --> 00:42:36,779
And I go down into the city where the
fighting is against ISIS with my medics.

979
00:42:37,899 --> 00:42:40,739
To share the gospel of Jesus, to be
there with these people to tell the

980
00:42:40,739 --> 00:42:42,169
story and provide medical assistance.

981
00:42:42,169 --> 00:42:43,119
And I need a translator.

982
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:44,559
I said, come down with me.

983
00:42:44,949 --> 00:42:47,989
And he goes, no way, man, I'll get killed.

984
00:42:48,009 --> 00:42:49,829
My mother will kill me if I
go down there and get killed.

985
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:52,909
And I said you're not going to go with me.

986
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:54,849
He goes, no, too dangerous.

987
00:42:54,889 --> 00:42:55,499
It's foolish.

988
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:56,799
I said, I got mad.

989
00:42:56,799 --> 00:42:59,759
I said, you complain about
Americans and you complain about

990
00:42:59,759 --> 00:43:01,709
everybody in the world, not helping.

991
00:43:01,709 --> 00:43:04,349
And you, Yazidi won't go
down to help your people.

992
00:43:04,509 --> 00:43:05,329
That is cowardice.

993
00:43:06,059 --> 00:43:07,699
That is the worst thing I've ever heard.

994
00:43:08,299 --> 00:43:09,349
And he goes I'm a coward.

995
00:43:09,419 --> 00:43:10,739
I said that's a sin, man.

996
00:43:10,989 --> 00:43:13,439
Cowardice is a sin as much
as every other kind of sin.

997
00:43:13,449 --> 00:43:14,549
Maybe it's the worst sin.

998
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,949
It's the highest form of selfishness.

999
00:43:17,429 --> 00:43:18,439
There's no honor in it.

1000
00:43:18,729 --> 00:43:21,549
There's no wisdom in it.

1001
00:43:21,949 --> 00:43:23,209
It's not about being gentle.

1002
00:43:23,379 --> 00:43:24,799
Cowardice is wicked sin.

1003
00:43:25,389 --> 00:43:26,939
And I get really mad.

1004
00:43:26,949 --> 00:43:27,539
He looks at me.

1005
00:43:27,539 --> 00:43:28,059
I don't care.

1006
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:29,869
And I said you believe in God.

1007
00:43:29,889 --> 00:43:30,479
Of course.

1008
00:43:30,819 --> 00:43:31,519
Let's pray.

1009
00:43:31,919 --> 00:43:32,789
And I calmed down.

1010
00:43:32,814 --> 00:43:36,194
I said, Lord, guide Shaheen what to do.

1011
00:43:36,204 --> 00:43:38,624
I don't know if he's supposed to
go with me or not, but if he's

1012
00:43:38,624 --> 00:43:41,394
supposed to stay out of love,
then he should not go with me.

1013
00:43:41,704 --> 00:43:44,684
But if he's staying out of fear
and cowardice, then he needs to go.

1014
00:43:44,724 --> 00:43:48,364
You show him the difference,
please, in Jesus name.

1015
00:43:48,374 --> 00:43:49,334
And I said, Shaheen, it's up to you.

1016
00:43:49,334 --> 00:43:50,674
I can't tell you what
God's going to tell you.

1017
00:43:51,454 --> 00:43:53,784
Because if it's, you're staying
because of love, you got things to do.

1018
00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:55,294
Okay, then it's not cowardice.

1019
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,379
He goes, no, I'm scared.

1020
00:43:57,459 --> 00:44:00,079
I said then you're coming with
me or you can quit right now.

1021
00:44:00,109 --> 00:44:00,609
I don't need you.

1022
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:01,799
And he goes, okay, I'm coming with you.

1023
00:44:01,799 --> 00:44:03,749
But if I get killed,
my mother will kill me.

1024
00:44:04,369 --> 00:44:10,969
And we go down and he became
always funny, always hilarious

1025
00:44:10,969 --> 00:44:13,919
guy could mock, and mimic anybody.

1026
00:44:14,129 --> 00:44:15,289
And we'd be in closer and closer.

1027
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:19,129
My whole family and
all our team until May.

1028
00:44:19,209 --> 00:44:23,229
This was back in 2000,
beginning 2015, May the 4th.

1029
00:44:25,689 --> 00:44:26,569
2017.

1030
00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:28,849
Now we're in the western side of Mosul.

1031
00:44:29,319 --> 00:44:30,649
He's with me in a Humvee.

1032
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:32,569
We're going to rescue families.

1033
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:34,669
We're picking up wounded and dead.

1034
00:44:34,779 --> 00:44:36,519
We're going back for like our fifth trip.

1035
00:44:36,844 --> 00:44:40,704
And on the way he goes, Dave, because
we talk about Jesus all the time.

1036
00:44:40,744 --> 00:44:43,834
Now he's been with us for a couple of
years and he goes, I woke up this morning.

1037
00:44:43,834 --> 00:44:45,004
I don't hate the Arabs anymore.

1038
00:44:46,384 --> 00:44:47,424
God changed my heart.

1039
00:44:48,364 --> 00:44:49,914
I don't hate the Arabs anymore.

1040
00:44:51,004 --> 00:44:51,404
Wow.

1041
00:44:51,414 --> 00:44:51,774
Sheen.

1042
00:44:51,774 --> 00:44:52,354
That's awesome.

1043
00:44:52,354 --> 00:44:52,944
He goes, yeah.

1044
00:44:53,674 --> 00:44:57,394
And the last photo I took of him,
there was a blown up vehicle and there

1045
00:44:57,394 --> 00:45:02,414
were some survivors and he's shading
Iraqi soldier and Arab, his enemy.

1046
00:45:02,714 --> 00:45:05,504
With his body from the sun
and helping stop the bleeding

1047
00:45:06,074 --> 00:45:07,224
and then giving him water.

1048
00:45:07,344 --> 00:45:10,284
I took this photo, not
knowing that's the last photo.

1049
00:45:10,294 --> 00:45:10,744
We take it up.

1050
00:45:10,744 --> 00:45:15,674
Sheen.And then people came up to me,
they're killing poor people in the street.

1051
00:45:15,674 --> 00:45:16,914
They're killing families in the street.

1052
00:45:16,974 --> 00:45:18,034
I said, let's go.

1053
00:45:18,034 --> 00:45:22,574
And I jumped in my Humvee and with
Muhammad, the guy I talked about

1054
00:45:22,574 --> 00:45:26,064
earlier, Rocky soldier machines
in the back, a guy named sky.

1055
00:45:26,064 --> 00:45:28,474
When my medics is there, a
guy named slowly from Burma.

1056
00:45:28,474 --> 00:45:29,494
I'm medic for Burma's there.

1057
00:45:29,949 --> 00:45:33,169
And then a guy named Kevin who is
in special forces now as a pastor.

1058
00:45:33,299 --> 00:45:34,519
He's actually up in the turret.

1059
00:45:34,939 --> 00:45:36,229
Of the Humvee on the machine gun.

1060
00:45:36,889 --> 00:45:39,019
He's like, okay, I got
to help these family.

1061
00:45:39,209 --> 00:45:42,439
And we go driving down
and we get this family.

1062
00:45:42,439 --> 00:45:42,999
I get out.

1063
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:45,599
The mom and kids are
taking another Humvee.

1064
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,969
I get out and the dad is on the ground,
rolling around, shot in the leg.

1065
00:45:49,389 --> 00:45:53,659
Ah, and his daughter is
standing next to him screaming.

1066
00:45:53,859 --> 00:45:54,599
They shot my dad.

1067
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:55,449
My shove it up.

1068
00:45:55,449 --> 00:45:56,319
She's just hysterical.

1069
00:45:56,749 --> 00:45:59,679
I reached down to pick him up
and she is shot through the head.

1070
00:45:59,689 --> 00:46:02,889
She shot right behind her ear and
outer eye and she falls on the ground.

1071
00:46:03,069 --> 00:46:04,339
So I pick up the daughter.

1072
00:46:04,944 --> 00:46:07,574
Stuffer in the Humvee, turn
around, pick up the dad.

1073
00:46:07,644 --> 00:46:11,454
As I pick him up, another bullet
comes through his thigh, just

1074
00:46:11,454 --> 00:46:13,844
misses my, my, my chest and arm,

1075
00:46:13,904 --> 00:46:15,084
right through his body,

1076
00:46:15,084 --> 00:46:15,704
Dave: misses me.

1077
00:46:15,904 --> 00:46:17,604
I stuff him in the Humvee,
I jump in the Humvee.

1078
00:46:17,904 --> 00:46:20,054
The Humvee now has been
hit over a hundred times.

1079
00:46:20,074 --> 00:46:20,724
It won't move.

1080
00:46:21,414 --> 00:46:22,094
We're stuck.

1081
00:46:22,404 --> 00:46:25,504
And they're bringing more weapons to bear,
and proceeding to destroy this Humvee.

1082
00:46:26,064 --> 00:46:28,874
I'm calling for help, and then
Muhammad goes, I'm gonna get help.

1083
00:46:28,924 --> 00:46:33,774
And he jumps out of the driver's
side, runs 70 meters over a hill to

1084
00:46:33,774 --> 00:46:36,839
another Humvee, I get in the driver's
side, try to make the vehicle move.

1085
00:46:36,839 --> 00:46:37,739
I can't make it move.

1086
00:46:38,194 --> 00:46:40,664
Eight bullets come through
the hatch where Kevin is.

1087
00:46:40,694 --> 00:46:42,444
Kevin's out of ammunition,
crawls back down.

1088
00:46:42,444 --> 00:46:45,164
He's been hit in the face, minor wound,
but he can't do anything anymore.

1089
00:46:45,164 --> 00:46:45,994
Closes the hatch.

1090
00:46:46,174 --> 00:46:46,914
We're just praying.

1091
00:46:47,204 --> 00:46:48,074
I'm on the radio.

1092
00:46:48,314 --> 00:46:48,934
Give me a tank.

1093
00:46:48,944 --> 00:46:49,424
Give me help.

1094
00:46:49,434 --> 00:46:49,774
Give me.

1095
00:46:50,094 --> 00:46:54,034
And in the back behind me is Skye and
slowly the medics working on the father

1096
00:46:54,034 --> 00:46:56,944
who's shot twice and the daughter who
shot through the back of the head.

1097
00:46:56,944 --> 00:46:58,104
They're still alive, outer eye.

1098
00:46:58,844 --> 00:47:00,644
And they're trying to stop
the bleeding, keep them alive.

1099
00:47:01,454 --> 00:47:04,314
And the daughter in the back,
because of her energy, she's throwing

1100
00:47:04,314 --> 00:47:07,754
up and bleeding and unconscious
and moaning and it's brutal.

1101
00:47:08,604 --> 00:47:11,384
Muhammad comes back in another
Humvee, pulls up next to us,

1102
00:47:11,434 --> 00:47:13,124
opens the door, gets out.

1103
00:47:13,434 --> 00:47:17,784
Shaheen steps out of the back
so he can help slowly and Sky

1104
00:47:17,814 --> 00:47:19,014
move these two casualties out.

1105
00:47:19,014 --> 00:47:21,464
Shaheen is shot right through the
stomach and he's on the ground.

1106
00:47:21,464 --> 00:47:24,344
I just heard this, Oh, he's down.

1107
00:47:24,624 --> 00:47:25,724
Muhammad grabs him.

1108
00:47:25,734 --> 00:47:26,424
Muhammad shot

1109
00:47:26,464 --> 00:47:28,834
eight times six times

1110
00:47:28,834 --> 00:47:29,734
Dave: right away and two later.

1111
00:47:30,034 --> 00:47:31,314
And he, but he didn't

1112
00:47:31,314 --> 00:47:31,744
Dave: go down.

1113
00:47:31,884 --> 00:47:34,244
He pulls Shaheen into his
Humvee and they take off.

1114
00:47:34,764 --> 00:47:37,904
And what I found out later
is they both get evacuated.

1115
00:47:38,884 --> 00:47:41,734
Muhammad survives, but he's going
to die about nine days later.

1116
00:47:42,454 --> 00:47:44,094
And meanwhile, I'm still in that Humvee.

1117
00:47:44,314 --> 00:47:46,784
Finally, an armored personnel
carrier comes up next to us in a

1118
00:47:46,784 --> 00:47:48,464
tank and just blasted the enemy.

1119
00:47:48,474 --> 00:47:51,514
One of my friends who's
an atheist named Justin.

1120
00:47:51,824 --> 00:47:52,834
Cause anybody can join us.

1121
00:47:52,834 --> 00:47:53,994
You don't have to be a
Christian and join us.

1122
00:47:53,994 --> 00:47:54,874
You have to do it for love.

1123
00:47:55,264 --> 00:47:56,294
We don't pay these people.

1124
00:47:56,524 --> 00:47:58,324
And he's the ex Marine American Marine

1125
00:47:58,344 --> 00:47:58,954
atheist.

1126
00:47:58,954 --> 00:48:00,784
And he risked

1127
00:48:00,784 --> 00:48:01,754
Dave: his life to save me.

1128
00:48:01,754 --> 00:48:03,884
Drove another Humvee, chained
us up and pulled us out.

1129
00:48:03,884 --> 00:48:06,194
We evacuated that man and his daughter.

1130
00:48:06,894 --> 00:48:08,314
And they're both alive to this day.

1131
00:48:08,814 --> 00:48:11,704
Her name is Aisha and she survived.

1132
00:48:11,704 --> 00:48:14,734
She's got a artificial
eye, but she's beautiful.

1133
00:48:14,734 --> 00:48:17,624
Young girl healed and Shaheen died.

1134
00:48:17,684 --> 00:48:22,404
So when Shaheen died, that was the
loss of a brother for me, but I

1135
00:48:22,404 --> 00:48:25,814
believe he's in heaven with Jesus and
that his heart changed that very day.

1136
00:48:26,499 --> 00:48:26,849
that

1137
00:48:26,869 --> 00:48:27,409
Simon: he

1138
00:48:27,509 --> 00:48:29,879
Dave: was helping save
the people he hated.

1139
00:48:30,809 --> 00:48:34,009
Simon: And it was so powerful
in the film where you go

1140
00:48:34,009 --> 00:48:35,799
back late, seven months

1141
00:48:35,799 --> 00:48:39,999
Simon: later, I think it was, and you
show the photo of him to the people that

1142
00:48:39,999 --> 00:48:43,019
he saved and you open up on that spot.

1143
00:48:43,059 --> 00:48:43,539
Is that right?

1144
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:47,639
You open up a sort of children's
playground in his honor.

1145
00:48:48,229 --> 00:48:48,519
Dave: Yeah.

1146
00:48:48,969 --> 00:48:52,359
So when the battle of Mosul
is over, we go back and we're

1147
00:48:52,359 --> 00:48:55,599
trying to find a lot of people we
throughout the course of this battle.

1148
00:48:56,104 --> 00:48:58,814
And we, by God's help, we find everybody.

1149
00:48:59,444 --> 00:49:03,904
And we also go back to the
neighborhood where she died

1150
00:49:04,404 --> 00:49:05,634
and we put a playground there.

1151
00:49:06,389 --> 00:49:09,319
And as we put it there and the
kids were singing, dancing, we

1152
00:49:09,319 --> 00:49:10,769
spray painted Shaheen's name.

1153
00:49:10,859 --> 00:49:15,419
There's a picture of that with my son,
who's small then, right next to it.

1154
00:49:15,869 --> 00:49:17,469
He was always pinching my son's cheek.

1155
00:49:17,489 --> 00:49:19,609
Shaheen was always
pinching Peter's cheek and

1156
00:49:19,669 --> 00:49:21,229
I'll bite you little

1157
00:49:21,229 --> 00:49:23,299
Dave: cute child, you little American

1158
00:49:23,299 --> 00:49:25,749
and ver, funny guy,

1159
00:49:25,749 --> 00:49:26,149
Dave: Shaheen.

1160
00:49:26,949 --> 00:49:30,649
So to this day, there stands
this playground named after

1161
00:49:30,649 --> 00:49:34,189
Shaheen, who gave his life to
help people who'd been his enemy.

1162
00:49:35,174 --> 00:49:40,654
And it always hurts my heart to think
about that, but I'm also grateful

1163
00:49:41,034 --> 00:49:42,744
that what he did was of love,

1164
00:49:42,794 --> 00:49:43,854
no matter what other

1165
00:49:43,854 --> 00:49:45,174
Dave: people did, which is of hate.

1166
00:49:45,204 --> 00:49:46,364
And that love is lasting.

1167
00:49:46,474 --> 00:49:47,724
That playground is still lasting.

1168
00:49:48,024 --> 00:49:52,134
One day that playground will go away,
but that memory of that love will not go

1169
00:49:52,134 --> 00:49:53,121
away.

1170
00:49:53,121 --> 00:49:56,079
Yeah.I can imagine

1171
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,139
Simon: some people thinking
this crazy American guy going

1172
00:49:59,139 --> 00:50:00,939
in there, totally unaccountable

1173
00:50:00,939 --> 00:50:00,949
Simon: or

1174
00:50:00,949 --> 00:50:01,707
whatever.

1175
00:50:01,707 --> 00:50:03,979
And yet you've

1176
00:50:03,979 --> 00:50:07,759
Simon: just had such incredible grace
and favor and boldness in Jesus name.

1177
00:50:07,759 --> 00:50:11,359
I loved it in the film where you
felt the Lord telling you to get

1178
00:50:11,369 --> 00:50:12,759
on your knees before the general.

1179
00:50:12,759 --> 00:50:13,029
Tell us

1180
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:13,707
about that.

1181
00:50:13,707 --> 00:50:14,709
When I first

1182
00:50:14,709 --> 00:50:18,229
Dave: went over to Iraq and
even before I met Shaheen.

1183
00:50:19,429 --> 00:50:22,999
I remember I had my son
with me and an Iraqi defense

1184
00:50:22,999 --> 00:50:23,399
minister.

1185
00:50:23,399 --> 00:50:24,199
The actually

1186
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,289
Dave: Kurdish defense minister, the
Beshmerga said, you brought your son,

1187
00:50:28,449 --> 00:50:30,039
you brought your most precious thing.

1188
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:34,489
I give you my most precious thing,
my country, go anywhere you want.

1189
00:50:35,069 --> 00:50:36,049
Because we have our kids here.

1190
00:50:36,479 --> 00:50:40,489
And I remember the Iraqi general
saying, you brought your family,

1191
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,729
your whole family, your son and
your daughters and your wife.

1192
00:50:42,749 --> 00:50:43,849
You must thank God.

1193
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,769
Thanks, Iraqi children of the
same value as American children

1194
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:47,709
because our children are here.

1195
00:50:48,794 --> 00:50:49,664
You brought your family.

1196
00:50:49,664 --> 00:50:51,364
You must not want anything from us.

1197
00:50:51,734 --> 00:50:52,684
You brought your family.

1198
00:50:52,714 --> 00:50:53,654
You must love us.

1199
00:50:54,074 --> 00:50:56,484
We love you and we'll die for your family.

1200
00:50:56,724 --> 00:50:58,114
These are experiences we've had

1201
00:50:58,114 --> 00:50:58,398
together.

1202
00:50:58,398 --> 00:50:59,534
And I don't take

1203
00:50:59,534 --> 00:51:01,274
Dave: my family right
to the front on purpose

1204
00:51:01,274 --> 00:51:02,111
anyways.

1205
00:51:02,111 --> 00:51:03,784
If families

1206
00:51:03,784 --> 00:51:04,794
Dave: are there, they can be there.

1207
00:51:05,524 --> 00:51:09,294
But in the middle of all that I'm with my
son and I'm meeting these Iraqi leaders

1208
00:51:09,294 --> 00:51:12,474
and when I'm done explaining what three
room Rangers can do and how we can help in

1209
00:51:12,474 --> 00:51:16,954
the front line, and I've made a favorable
impression and they're work with us.

1210
00:51:17,579 --> 00:51:19,519
I suddenly, I say, can I pray?

1211
00:51:19,959 --> 00:51:21,129
Cause that's what I normally do.

1212
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:24,339
And they go, you pray Americans pray.

1213
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:26,259
We didn't know Americans
believe in God anymore.

1214
00:51:26,449 --> 00:51:26,759
Oh yeah.

1215
00:51:26,759 --> 00:51:27,419
A lot of us do.

1216
00:51:27,419 --> 00:51:28,759
In fact, that's why I'm here.

1217
00:51:28,779 --> 00:51:33,219
The American church is why anything for
me happens and the English church and the

1218
00:51:33,229 --> 00:51:35,009
European church and the church

1219
00:51:35,009 --> 00:51:37,759
Dave: of Asia were supported by
Christians, not by the government.

1220
00:51:38,389 --> 00:51:39,659
A lot of people believe in God.

1221
00:51:39,699 --> 00:51:39,919
Oh, okay.

1222
00:51:39,919 --> 00:51:40,159
We'll pray.

1223
00:51:41,099 --> 00:51:44,459
And I closed my eyes and I felt
God say, get on your knees.

1224
00:51:45,289 --> 00:51:46,159
This is holy ground.

1225
00:51:46,189 --> 00:51:47,089
Get on my knees.

1226
00:51:47,549 --> 00:51:49,079
Don't think I'm a Christian nutcase.

1227
00:51:49,089 --> 00:51:51,299
Like I'll be that old
crusader, a weirdo, man.

1228
00:51:51,919 --> 00:51:53,829
And I really felt God
ask, are you afraid of me?

1229
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:54,519
Are you afraid of them?

1230
00:51:55,229 --> 00:51:56,269
Okay, God, I'm afraid of you.

1231
00:51:57,549 --> 00:52:00,129
And I got on my knees and I prayed.

1232
00:52:00,999 --> 00:52:05,279
I lifted my hands up and I
prayed in Jesus name in English.

1233
00:52:05,849 --> 00:52:06,839
It was translated.

1234
00:52:08,244 --> 00:52:13,174
And when I stood up, the Kurdish
general said, I know you're like us.

1235
00:52:13,174 --> 00:52:15,464
You believe in God, we can trust you.

1236
00:52:16,484 --> 00:52:18,094
And that was my experience everywhere.

1237
00:52:18,104 --> 00:52:21,204
And I got on my knees more than
I ever have in my whole life.

1238
00:52:21,254 --> 00:52:25,004
I didn't just do it as a matter of
course, I never wanted to do it.

1239
00:52:25,644 --> 00:52:27,654
But many times during that battle.

1240
00:52:28,029 --> 00:52:33,259
I got on my knees with senior
Iraqi and Kurdish generals, and

1241
00:52:33,259 --> 00:52:35,829
I remember one time I had no
translator when I got done praying.

1242
00:52:36,569 --> 00:52:38,919
He said in very little English,
I have no idea what you prayed,

1243
00:52:38,919 --> 00:52:40,089
but I know you follow God.

1244
00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:41,449
You're with us.

1245
00:52:42,129 --> 00:52:44,469
So those are my experiences.

1246
00:52:44,469 --> 00:52:46,479
It reminds me not to be
ashamed of the gospel.

1247
00:52:47,029 --> 00:52:51,209
We don't get on our knees or raise our
hands over our heads to impress people.

1248
00:52:51,549 --> 00:52:53,949
We do those things when our
heart is stirred by God.

1249
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,879
And if they're given to
God, then they're right.

1250
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,889
And I want to say something
about being crazy or not crazy.

1251
00:53:01,539 --> 00:53:04,679
I've learned this, nothing
done of love is crazy.

1252
00:53:05,329 --> 00:53:05,789
Nothing.

1253
00:53:06,139 --> 00:53:11,619
If it's love, if it's not pride,
hate, fear, anger, comfort, if it's

1254
00:53:11,619 --> 00:53:14,249
love, and we need to check ourselves,
I have to check myself all the time

1255
00:53:14,259 --> 00:53:15,629
because I have all those other motives.

1256
00:53:16,279 --> 00:53:18,319
If it's love, it's not crazy.

1257
00:53:18,779 --> 00:53:19,319
It's right.

1258
00:53:19,369 --> 00:53:20,199
It's worth doing now.

1259
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:21,599
There may be better ways to do it.

1260
00:53:22,109 --> 00:53:22,969
That's for sure.

1261
00:53:23,429 --> 00:53:24,599
But if it's love, it's right.

1262
00:53:26,229 --> 00:53:26,739
Simon: Yeah.

1263
00:53:27,169 --> 00:53:31,859
Oh, again, I remember that time where
you rescued this family and they were

1264
00:53:31,859 --> 00:53:36,139
hugging you and then you packed them
off and a few moments later, boom, and

1265
00:53:36,139 --> 00:53:37,279
they were, they were

1266
00:53:37,279 --> 00:53:38,399
Simon: blown up by

1267
00:53:38,399 --> 00:53:40,059
this bomb and you then

1268
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:43,019
Simon: go scoop up some dead, some
alive and you were filled with a

1269
00:53:43,259 --> 00:53:45,319
desire for revenge, weren't you?

1270
00:53:45,789 --> 00:53:46,119
Yeah.

1271
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:47,319
Tell us about that.

1272
00:53:48,379 --> 00:53:52,839
Dave: This was on the west side before
the west side battle in the city itself

1273
00:53:52,839 --> 00:53:57,069
on the outskirts between Mosul and
Tal Afar, actually just the outskirts,

1274
00:53:57,129 --> 00:53:59,779
probably not far where Jonah

1275
00:53:59,779 --> 00:54:00,979
Dave: was looking over the city.

1276
00:54:01,169 --> 00:54:05,334
There's high ground on the West
side of Mosul and maybe that's

1277
00:54:05,334 --> 00:54:08,294
where Jonah was, but that's
where we were a place called Tel

1278
00:54:08,294 --> 00:54:12,354
Keisuma and Sahaji and

1279
00:54:12,354 --> 00:54:13,824
Dave: later on Badush, this area.

1280
00:54:14,704 --> 00:54:18,474
So ISIS killing people every day.

1281
00:54:18,474 --> 00:54:19,394
I'm with the Iraqi army.

1282
00:54:19,444 --> 00:54:24,435
Iraqi army now is advancing and
finally we liberate this little farm.

1283
00:54:24,884 --> 00:54:27,704
And this little girl
comes out and grabs my leg

1284
00:54:27,704 --> 00:54:28,954
and yells America,

1285
00:54:28,954 --> 00:54:30,574
Dave: and so loving.

1286
00:54:30,574 --> 00:54:33,004
And The Iraqi

1287
00:54:33,004 --> 00:54:34,084
Dave: man, he knew only a little bit of

1288
00:54:34,084 --> 00:54:34,696
English.

1289
00:54:34,696 --> 00:54:37,754
Thank you, on, good action.

1290
00:54:37,804 --> 00:54:40,964
Dave: And, okay, you're
all safe, and I'm so happy.

1291
00:54:40,964 --> 00:54:43,744
It was like something good happened
that day amongst a lot of death.

1292
00:54:43,764 --> 00:54:47,134
His family was liberated, and
they said, we're gonna go to our

1293
00:54:47,134 --> 00:54:49,684
neighbors, because this whole
area is liberated, and see them.

1294
00:54:49,684 --> 00:54:53,214
We haven't been able, allowed by ISIS
to go over there for three years.

1295
00:54:54,194 --> 00:54:57,414
They load up their tractor,
and they start going off.

1296
00:54:57,834 --> 00:54:59,064
It's a tractor with a trailer

1297
00:54:59,064 --> 00:54:59,534
on it.

1298
00:54:59,534 --> 00:55:00,474
Tick tickk, tick, tick.

1299
00:55:01,304 --> 00:55:03,524
Dave: And we start walking back
up the hill, the fight's over.

1300
00:55:04,024 --> 00:55:05,514
And I hear this boom!

1301
00:55:05,984 --> 00:55:10,524
And ISIS had put landmines on their
escape route, knowing these families

1302
00:55:10,524 --> 00:55:12,694
had come there, and blew this family up.

1303
00:55:12,704 --> 00:55:16,074
And that little three year old kid died
in our arms as we tried to save her.

1304
00:55:16,534 --> 00:55:18,724
And I was,tears came

1305
00:55:18,724 --> 00:55:19,474
Dave: to my eyes.

1306
00:55:19,604 --> 00:55:21,114
The Iraqi medics were crying.

1307
00:55:21,174 --> 00:55:22,464
Our Karen guys were crying.

1308
00:55:22,474 --> 00:55:25,654
It just, we'd seen a lot of dead people,
but somehow that little girl and our

1309
00:55:25,654 --> 00:55:27,134
connection with her just broke our heart.

1310
00:55:27,164 --> 00:55:28,594
It was like, that was our little girl.

1311
00:55:29,334 --> 00:55:32,094
And I turned to Monkey, one of the
leaders of Freebirm Rangers, he's

1312
00:55:32,094 --> 00:55:35,294
from Burma, same guy running behind
the tank with me, filming it, that's

1313
00:55:35,294 --> 00:55:36,904
how you can see, Monkey filmed that.

1314
00:55:37,904 --> 00:55:41,524
I said, Monkey, we've got to
go after ISIS, that's justice.

1315
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:44,919
We're going to share the gospel of Jesus.

1316
00:55:44,919 --> 00:55:46,599
We're going to get food
and medicine and clothes.

1317
00:55:46,619 --> 00:55:48,679
We're going to treat wounded
and in between we're going to

1318
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:50,039
kill as many ISIS as we can.

1319
00:55:50,279 --> 00:55:50,949
They're just evil.

1320
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:53,339
Do you think it's right?

1321
00:55:53,949 --> 00:55:54,839
He nods his head.

1322
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:56,999
And I said, okay, that's
what we're going to do.

1323
00:55:57,769 --> 00:56:01,629
And that night I said, Lord, Jesus, show
me the truth about what happened today.

1324
00:56:01,919 --> 00:56:05,549
And my commitment to add another
mission to our humanitarian

1325
00:56:05,549 --> 00:56:07,179
one, which is go after ISIS.

1326
00:56:07,709 --> 00:56:08,849
It's justice.

1327
00:56:09,129 --> 00:56:10,339
And I felt it was justice.

1328
00:56:10,389 --> 00:56:11,549
And I woke up the next morning.

1329
00:56:11,909 --> 00:56:15,089
I'd opened the Bible three times,
three different ways at random.

1330
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:18,649
I took my Kindle, put my finger
randomly, and I got the same

1331
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:20,599
message three times in a row.

1332
00:56:21,369 --> 00:56:23,559
Vengeance is mine, says
the Lord, I will repay.

1333
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:24,249
I'm like, what?

1334
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,399
Of course I know that verse, but I found
it three times in a row by accident.

1335
00:56:28,699 --> 00:56:33,189
And then I said, Oh,
what I call justice was

1336
00:56:33,189 --> 00:56:33,756
revenge.

1337
00:56:33,756 --> 00:56:34,889
God, what's

1338
00:56:34,939 --> 00:56:35,629
Dave: the difference?

1339
00:56:35,959 --> 00:56:36,909
The difference is love.

1340
00:56:38,114 --> 00:56:40,534
When you want justice, there
must be love somewhere in

1341
00:56:40,534 --> 00:56:42,004
there, even for the perpetrator.

1342
00:56:42,324 --> 00:56:45,154
Even though the most loving
thing may be life imprisonment,

1343
00:56:45,444 --> 00:56:46,684
or some kind of punishment to

1344
00:56:46,684 --> 00:56:47,764
change them.

1345
00:56:47,764 --> 00:56:49,384
Or maybe even

1346
00:56:49,384 --> 00:56:51,514
Dave: shooting them in a certain
situation to stop them from killing

1347
00:56:51,514 --> 00:56:52,894
others, but it will be done in love.

1348
00:56:53,324 --> 00:56:55,924
Vengeance is like, I don't care
what happens, I want to crush you.

1349
00:56:56,714 --> 00:56:57,554
That's not justice.

1350
00:56:57,574 --> 00:56:59,054
And the difference between
justice and revenge

1351
00:56:59,094 --> 00:56:59,754
is love.

1352
00:56:59,754 --> 00:57:00,744
I was just

1353
00:57:00,744 --> 00:57:02,284
Dave: suddenly struck by that.

1354
00:57:02,304 --> 00:57:03,264
That's the Holy Spirit.

1355
00:57:03,274 --> 00:57:04,824
That's how God works through Scripture.

1356
00:57:05,504 --> 00:57:09,364
And I said, Jesus, Forgive
me for wanting revenge.

1357
00:57:10,244 --> 00:57:12,734
Please forgive me that
sin and I give it up.

1358
00:57:13,124 --> 00:57:16,604
And it was like a 2000 pound weight was
lifted off my shoulder instantaneously.

1359
00:57:17,434 --> 00:57:19,344
And it was a weight I
didn't know I carried.

1360
00:57:19,504 --> 00:57:20,404
I had no idea.

1361
00:57:21,394 --> 00:57:25,394
And I had no idea that I was
sinning and I gave it up.

1362
00:57:25,454 --> 00:57:28,194
And I remember going into battle
that day thinking I do not

1363
00:57:28,214 --> 00:57:29,744
have to make anything right.

1364
00:57:30,084 --> 00:57:32,074
I do not have to kill any ISIS.

1365
00:57:32,294 --> 00:57:33,924
I can, but I don't have to.

1366
00:57:33,944 --> 00:57:35,264
There's a big difference.

1367
00:57:35,394 --> 00:57:35,964
I'm free.

1368
00:57:35,964 --> 00:57:36,354
Yeah.

1369
00:57:36,814 --> 00:57:40,114
Even if I get killed today, all I
have to be is an ambassador of Jesus.

1370
00:57:40,664 --> 00:57:46,204
And so Jesus forgave me my revenge,
and then he liberated me from it.

1371
00:57:46,774 --> 00:57:49,324
Because who knows what that
would have done to me over time.

1372
00:57:50,794 --> 00:57:54,414
What looked like righteous indignation
and anger would be revenge.

1373
00:57:54,454 --> 00:57:56,514
In the end, that's of Satan.

1374
00:57:56,804 --> 00:57:59,044
God says, vengeance is mine,
says the Lord, I will repay.

1375
00:57:59,044 --> 00:58:00,434
Only God can handle revenge.

1376
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:01,629
He's the only one who can handle it.

1377
00:58:01,629 --> 00:58:02,469
He knows we can't handle it.

1378
00:58:02,499 --> 00:58:04,679
We can handle justice
and we're supposed to.

1379
00:58:05,269 --> 00:58:09,769
So that was one of the biggest, two
biggest gifts I got out of the battle of

1380
00:58:09,769 --> 00:58:12,229
Mosul in Iraq was to love Iraqi people.

1381
00:58:13,019 --> 00:58:13,459
Love them.

1382
00:58:13,459 --> 00:58:15,269
Whenever I see them, no matter
who they are, I love them.

1383
00:58:15,339 --> 00:58:16,639
That's just God's gift to me.

1384
00:58:16,779 --> 00:58:21,009
And then second, to know the difference
between revenge and justice and to have

1385
00:58:21,009 --> 00:58:22,419
God's forgiveness and grace in that.

1386
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:24,079
Simon: Yeah.

1387
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:26,019
Oh, Dave, this is so

1388
00:58:26,019 --> 00:58:26,265
good.

1389
00:58:26,265 --> 00:58:27,739
Listen we got to vaguely come

1390
00:58:27,739 --> 00:58:28,179
Simon: into land.

1391
00:58:28,179 --> 00:58:29,399
What I do want to shift back though

1392
00:58:29,409 --> 00:58:30,519
is because we've talked

1393
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:32,529
Simon: mostly about
your encounters in Iraq.

1394
00:58:32,529 --> 00:58:33,459
I want to get back to

1395
00:58:33,509 --> 00:58:35,449
Myanmar, Burma just because

1396
00:58:35,449 --> 00:58:37,119
Simon: that is your main field
of operations for the last

1397
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:37,802
25 years.

1398
00:58:37,802 --> 00:58:40,189
Can you give us any, I, again,

1399
00:58:40,189 --> 00:58:43,469
Simon: in the film, I think of those times
when those two precious ladies were raped

1400
00:58:43,469 --> 00:58:45,737
and then brutally murdered.

1401
00:58:45,737 --> 00:58:48,004
And but key moments

1402
00:58:48,004 --> 00:58:51,644
Simon: like that where again, the
power of telling the story and

1403
00:58:51,654 --> 00:58:53,754
you became, you're the

1404
00:58:53,754 --> 00:58:55,854
Simon: authoritative voice on what
was happening, alerting the world

1405
00:58:55,864 --> 00:58:57,964
through Al Jazeera or BBC or whoever.

1406
00:58:58,404 --> 00:58:59,954
Just tell us a bit on
that before we close.

1407
00:59:00,664 --> 00:59:03,604
Dave: Burma has always been
our main effort and still is.

1408
00:59:04,004 --> 00:59:07,284
And as you said, you saw in
the documentary, those ladies

1409
00:59:07,284 --> 00:59:08,324
who were raped and then

1410
00:59:08,334 --> 00:59:10,834
beat to death broke our

1411
00:59:10,834 --> 00:59:11,384
Dave: hearts.

1412
00:59:11,504 --> 00:59:13,094
And it was another encounter where.

1413
00:59:13,584 --> 00:59:15,154
We could just only follow Jesus.

1414
00:59:15,874 --> 00:59:18,234
And Burma has now become worse.

1415
00:59:18,234 --> 00:59:21,144
It's the longest running civil
war in the world, 74 years now.

1416
00:59:21,524 --> 00:59:25,074
And since the Burma army took even more
power in what was called a coup three

1417
00:59:25,074 --> 00:59:28,034
years ago, even more vicious attacks.

1418
00:59:28,084 --> 00:59:32,864
And the Burman people who comprise
about half the country joined the

1419
00:59:32,874 --> 00:59:34,374
ethnic resistance three years ago.

1420
00:59:34,844 --> 00:59:36,914
And so now the dictators
are actually losing.

1421
00:59:37,154 --> 00:59:41,094
They control less than one third of Burma,
but they control all the major big cities.

1422
00:59:41,154 --> 00:59:46,064
And they have jet fighters from
Russia, jet fighters from China

1423
00:59:46,114 --> 00:59:47,604
attack helicopters from Russia.

1424
00:59:47,974 --> 00:59:51,044
Artillery from China and Russia
and North Korea, rocket systems,

1425
00:59:51,044 --> 00:59:52,784
missile systems, drones from Iran.

1426
00:59:53,284 --> 00:59:54,904
And they're just pouring it on people.

1427
00:59:55,344 --> 00:59:58,894
And so the amount of death and
destruction, we've lost over 60 of

1428
00:59:58,894 --> 01:00:01,364
our team killed trying to help people.

1429
01:00:01,824 --> 01:00:06,444
It's been brutal and rapes,
murders, burning people alive.

1430
01:00:06,784 --> 01:00:08,504
These are all things that
are happening right now.

1431
01:00:09,234 --> 01:00:15,504
I remembered two years ago, 2022,
February the 24th, coincidentally, the

1432
01:00:15,504 --> 01:00:17,554
same day that Russia invaded Ukraine.

1433
01:00:18,384 --> 01:00:21,594
Up to the buildup of the Ukrainian
invasion, people were asking me, Hey,

1434
01:00:21,604 --> 01:00:24,704
send Freedom Ranger teams to help in
case Ukraine gets invaded while I'm in

1435
01:00:24,714 --> 01:00:26,364
Burma going, nobody cares about Burma.

1436
01:00:26,924 --> 01:00:28,024
I'm not going to go to Ukraine.

1437
01:00:28,064 --> 01:00:30,604
Ukraine's just as important,
but people are there.

1438
01:00:31,104 --> 01:00:32,534
And I, but I said, okay, I'll obey God.

1439
01:00:32,534 --> 01:00:33,764
If God wants us to go, we'll go.

1440
01:00:33,904 --> 01:00:34,484
But I felt no

1441
01:00:34,484 --> 01:00:35,514
conviction to go.

1442
01:00:35,514 --> 01:00:36,544
On the 24th

1443
01:00:36,544 --> 01:00:39,384
Dave: of February, Burma was
attacking heavily in Trini state.

1444
01:00:39,594 --> 01:00:40,294
I was up there.

1445
01:00:40,824 --> 01:00:45,254
We were in our like 15th or 20th
day of heavy fighting every day.

1446
01:00:45,255 --> 01:00:46,624
I would go out with 30, 40 guys.

1447
01:00:46,624 --> 01:00:48,654
Look, I look at them and go
forward and we'll be dead.

1448
01:00:48,654 --> 01:00:49,674
But by the time it stays over.

1449
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:53,499
So just scary, sad, brutal Burma.

1450
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:56,239
He's coming with airplanes, attack,
helicopters, artillery, mortars,

1451
01:00:56,279 --> 01:01:00,559
machine guns, troops, just overrunning
people fighting back with muskets

1452
01:01:00,609 --> 01:01:04,659
was single shot, 22 rifles and
shotguns, very few modern weapons,

1453
01:01:04,659 --> 01:01:05,999
just fighting for their lives.

1454
01:01:06,529 --> 01:01:10,049
And finally we are hit very hard.

1455
01:01:10,129 --> 01:01:12,879
Everybody retreats and I take my team.

1456
01:01:13,244 --> 01:01:15,274
To search and make sure
there's nobody left behind.

1457
01:01:15,274 --> 01:01:17,034
We're the last people out of this town.

1458
01:01:17,654 --> 01:01:18,554
And the airplane's coming.

1459
01:01:18,554 --> 01:01:20,084
I still, I couldn't see the pilot.

1460
01:01:20,234 --> 01:01:21,774
But, cause the sun was on the canopy.

1461
01:01:21,814 --> 01:01:23,374
He's aiming his plane right at us.

1462
01:01:23,374 --> 01:01:25,304
Dives down real low and
starts, drops a bomb.

1463
01:01:25,604 --> 01:01:26,624
40 meters from us.

1464
01:01:26,624 --> 01:01:27,314
We should have killed us.

1465
01:01:27,314 --> 01:01:29,184
But I was down in a, jumped in a ditch.

1466
01:01:29,834 --> 01:01:31,854
And a shrapnel went over
me and I got concussed.

1467
01:01:31,864 --> 01:01:33,274
But I didn't get killed.

1468
01:01:33,894 --> 01:01:35,514
But the guy next to me was killed.

1469
01:01:36,154 --> 01:01:37,464
His name is Rito.

1470
01:01:38,704 --> 01:01:40,094
My daughter taught him how to swim.

1471
01:01:40,304 --> 01:01:42,874
Because they will come back from
university and join our trainings

1472
01:01:42,874 --> 01:01:44,334
and she taught him how to swim.

1473
01:01:44,714 --> 01:01:50,324
And very close to my kids, he's 20, my
daughter's now 21 and 23 and he was 23.

1474
01:01:51,204 --> 01:01:51,864
He's dead.

1475
01:01:52,114 --> 01:01:54,394
And I'm dragging his body
and the plane's coming again.

1476
01:01:54,394 --> 01:01:55,154
I get wounded.

1477
01:01:55,184 --> 01:01:57,504
My, one of my guys gets
more badly wounded.

1478
01:01:58,714 --> 01:01:59,714
Got this dead guy.

1479
01:02:00,574 --> 01:02:01,854
Finally get his body out.

1480
01:02:01,894 --> 01:02:04,134
We're pinned down for two
hours by multiple airstrikes,

1481
01:02:04,154 --> 01:02:05,694
bombs, rockets hunting us.

1482
01:02:06,114 --> 01:02:07,144
We get out of that.

1483
01:02:07,414 --> 01:02:08,284
Put the dead body.

1484
01:02:08,729 --> 01:02:10,289
In a safe place, we can get it later.

1485
01:02:10,429 --> 01:02:11,879
I go to help other people escape.

1486
01:02:12,209 --> 01:02:15,329
The sun's starting to set, finally
come back, take care of the dead

1487
01:02:15,329 --> 01:02:16,819
body, do the funeral the next day.

1488
01:02:16,819 --> 01:02:17,839
I'm covered in blood.

1489
01:02:18,699 --> 01:02:21,779
And I remember saying, Jesus, I'm done.

1490
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:24,429
I have no more energy left.

1491
01:02:24,489 --> 01:02:25,389
I have no more.

1492
01:02:25,809 --> 01:02:26,459
I'm too sad.

1493
01:02:26,479 --> 01:02:27,179
I'm too scared.

1494
01:02:27,249 --> 01:02:28,320
I feel hopeless.

1495
01:02:28,649 --> 01:02:30,559
If you want me to continue tomorrow.

1496
01:02:31,284 --> 01:02:32,124
You have to do something.

1497
01:02:32,174 --> 01:02:32,734
I got nothing

1498
01:02:32,734 --> 01:02:33,132
left.

1499
01:02:33,132 --> 01:02:34,724
And I woke up

1500
01:02:34,724 --> 01:02:36,394
Dave: the next day,
Simon, I was ready to go.

1501
01:02:36,394 --> 01:02:39,254
And I thought that's the power of
Jesus to do what I couldn't do alone.

1502
01:02:40,144 --> 01:02:42,604
And then someone said, come
to you, come to Ukraine.

1503
01:02:42,674 --> 01:02:43,934
And I was like, no way.

1504
01:02:44,584 --> 01:02:45,834
Nobody's helping here.

1505
01:02:45,854 --> 01:02:48,774
My one of my best buddies,
my kid's friends is dead.

1506
01:02:49,044 --> 01:02:49,974
I'm going to go to Ukraine.

1507
01:02:50,524 --> 01:02:52,264
Ukraine's just as important,
but people are helping in

1508
01:02:52,284 --> 01:02:53,584
Ukraine, nobody's helping here.

1509
01:02:54,024 --> 01:02:55,284
Is it because they're little brown people?

1510
01:02:55,284 --> 01:02:55,964
What's the deal?

1511
01:02:56,684 --> 01:02:58,494
But I said, of course,
if God sends me, I'll go.

1512
01:02:58,514 --> 01:02:59,554
But I didn't go then.

1513
01:02:59,644 --> 01:03:00,494
I stayed in Burma.

1514
01:03:00,704 --> 01:03:03,944
But it was finally that Ukrainian
girl coming the next year, Julia,

1515
01:03:04,394 --> 01:03:08,844
who said to the people, don't
feed your fear, Feed your faith.

1516
01:03:08,844 --> 01:03:09,444
I thought we could

1517
01:03:09,444 --> 01:03:10,224
Dave: do that in Ukraine.

1518
01:03:10,524 --> 01:03:12,204
So Simon, we started going to Ukraine.

1519
01:03:12,234 --> 01:03:14,364
Just small little trips, three times.

1520
01:03:14,364 --> 01:03:15,984
We've gone as a team.

1521
01:03:15,984 --> 01:03:16,824
Dave: I've only gone once.

1522
01:03:16,824 --> 01:03:19,884
I'm, I've been going again in a
couple months, just two, three weeks.

1523
01:03:20,494 --> 01:03:21,784
We're with you in Jesus' name.

1524
01:03:21,784 --> 01:03:22,504
That's kinda all we do.

1525
01:03:22,504 --> 01:03:24,874
And a little bit of medical help
and help the local chaplains.

1526
01:03:25,484 --> 01:03:28,604
So we are involved in Ukraine now 'cause
God put that on our heart as well.

1527
01:03:28,604 --> 01:03:32,154
But our main effort's, Burma
and Burma right now is.

1528
01:03:32,779 --> 01:03:39,729
Facing the most violent activity and
action it's seen since World War II.

1529
01:03:40,229 --> 01:03:43,329
The Burma military coming with a
speed and a force we have never

1530
01:03:43,329 --> 01:03:44,869
seen, slaughtering their own people.

1531
01:03:44,869 --> 01:03:48,699
I was just in a monastery, Buddhist
monastery, with civilians that

1532
01:03:48,699 --> 01:03:49,739
belonged to the Burma army.

1533
01:03:50,369 --> 01:03:51,629
And they said, we can hide here.

1534
01:03:51,629 --> 01:03:53,489
The Burma army said, you'll be safe there.

1535
01:03:53,490 --> 01:03:55,159
I said, you will not be
safe, they'll kill you.

1536
01:03:55,439 --> 01:03:56,649
No, we belong to the Burma army.

1537
01:03:56,649 --> 01:03:57,329
They don't care.

1538
01:03:58,369 --> 01:03:59,079
They're going to kill you.

1539
01:03:59,739 --> 01:04:03,439
Three days later, there was an
airstrike on that monastery and

1540
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:07,719
eight were killed, including a
beautiful young girl and 15 wounded.

1541
01:04:08,129 --> 01:04:09,169
It was horrible.

1542
01:04:09,529 --> 01:04:10,549
We got the bodies out.

1543
01:04:10,549 --> 01:04:11,339
We got the people out.

1544
01:04:11,339 --> 01:04:15,009
They all fled the next day,
more airstrikes demolished the

1545
01:04:15,010 --> 01:04:15,855
monastery.

1546
01:04:15,855 --> 01:04:17,544
Every single

1547
01:04:17,594 --> 01:04:20,184
Dave: hospital in current
state Burma has been bombed.

1548
01:04:20,214 --> 01:04:20,984
Every single one.

1549
01:04:21,174 --> 01:04:22,804
Every clinic I know up
there has been bombed.

1550
01:04:23,454 --> 01:04:25,744
Every hospital in current
state's been bombed.

1551
01:04:25,884 --> 01:04:26,944
Same with chin state.

1552
01:04:27,004 --> 01:04:31,294
Every place I know of most schools,
not all, but most schools and churches

1553
01:04:31,294 --> 01:04:32,824
have been bombed and monasteries.

1554
01:04:33,134 --> 01:04:36,004
Because the Burma army knows
this is where people are hiding.

1555
01:04:36,584 --> 01:04:39,834
At the same time, this evil is
going on supported by Russia, China,

1556
01:04:39,844 --> 01:04:43,034
North Korea, Iran, and others at
the same time, this is going on.

1557
01:04:43,844 --> 01:04:45,524
There is a hunger for the gospel.

1558
01:04:45,524 --> 01:04:46,524
I've never seen before.

1559
01:04:46,714 --> 01:04:49,194
We baptized more people
than we've ever seen before.

1560
01:04:49,669 --> 01:04:53,309
And more people coming to Jesus
saying this is all that works and

1561
01:04:53,319 --> 01:04:57,359
there's a unity we've never seen
before and this unity in Burma cuts

1562
01:04:57,359 --> 01:05:02,419
between social, economic, political,
religious, racial, and tribal lines.

1563
01:05:02,439 --> 01:05:05,219
It's a unity saying us
Burmans and us ethnics.

1564
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,219
Have to work together for a democratic and
free Burma and we're not going to give up.

1565
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:12,529
So in the middle of all
this, Simon, I have hope.

1566
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:15,089
My biggest hope is in Jesus
who brings good from all

1567
01:05:15,099 --> 01:05:16,599
things, who takes us to heaven.

1568
01:05:17,169 --> 01:05:22,529
And my hope on this earth is that we
actually can, all of us, as we obey

1569
01:05:22,529 --> 01:05:28,309
Jesus, make God's kingdom on earth a
little bit as it is in heaven, which

1570
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:29,669
is what Jesus taught us to pray.

1571
01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:33,809
And every act of love you do adds
to that piece of heaven on this

1572
01:05:33,809 --> 01:05:35,049
earth, and we can enjoy that.

1573
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:39,179
So right now we're, I'm going right
back into Burma in a couple of days.

1574
01:05:39,259 --> 01:05:40,889
Please pray for us that we're doing

1575
01:05:40,889 --> 01:05:41,414
God's will.

1576
01:05:41,414 --> 01:05:41,939
Don't get

1577
01:05:41,939 --> 01:05:42,509
Dave: blown up.

1578
01:05:43,009 --> 01:05:46,239
I know that last prayer is pretty
selfish, but I ask it anyway.

1579
01:05:46,809 --> 01:05:48,799
And thanks for this opportunity to share.

1580
01:05:51,729 --> 01:05:53,679
Simon: Wow, Dave, this
has just been such an

1581
01:05:53,679 --> 01:05:55,114
incredible listen.

1582
01:05:55,114 --> 01:05:56,549
We've run

1583
01:05:56,549 --> 01:05:59,979
Simon: out of time, but I want you
to give a parting challenge to us as

1584
01:05:59,999 --> 01:06:01,464
listeners and also to the audience.

1585
01:06:01,494 --> 01:06:03,704
Just say how we can help you.

1586
01:06:04,084 --> 01:06:07,444
I'll put all the stuff, the details
in the blurb for the podcast

1587
01:06:07,444 --> 01:06:07,949
afterwards.

1588
01:06:07,949 --> 01:06:09,464
But close out

1589
01:06:09,464 --> 01:06:10,434
Simon: with those two things, please.

1590
01:06:10,884 --> 01:06:15,784
Dave: My encouragement to
everyone is don't give up.

1591
01:06:16,124 --> 01:06:23,174
God hasn't given up and you can never do
enough bad to stop Jesus from loving you.

1592
01:06:23,894 --> 01:06:25,314
Keep taking his forgiveness.

1593
01:06:25,344 --> 01:06:26,834
Keep extending it to others.

1594
01:06:27,329 --> 01:06:28,789
And keep following Him.

1595
01:06:29,169 --> 01:06:31,219
Keep stepping away from sin.

1596
01:06:31,569 --> 01:06:33,639
And keep loving even those who sin.

1597
01:06:33,879 --> 01:06:36,479
And then have boldness that
Jesus gives you to confront those

1598
01:06:36,489 --> 01:06:37,939
sins in the way He tells you to.

1599
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:39,339
If He doesn't tell you
to do it, don't do it.

1600
01:06:39,939 --> 01:06:42,129
And act out of love.

1601
01:06:42,349 --> 01:06:44,299
Anything done out of love is not crazy.

1602
01:06:44,684 --> 01:06:48,374
It's, if it's really love and you're
not led by other things, then God will

1603
01:06:48,374 --> 01:06:49,634
give you the peace to do that or not.

1604
01:06:49,874 --> 01:06:50,654
But it's not crazy.

1605
01:06:51,584 --> 01:06:57,494
I feel grateful, Simon, that you
have this show that people listen

1606
01:06:57,494 --> 01:07:03,464
and care, and my request is people
pray for us if they wanna support us.

1607
01:07:03,554 --> 01:07:05,084
We're called the Free Boomer Rangers.

1608
01:07:05,084 --> 01:07:08,264
Our website is www.freeboomrangers.org.

1609
01:07:08,264 --> 01:07:09,494
You can find information there.

1610
01:07:10,204 --> 01:07:11,984
My email is eubank at P.

1611
01:07:11,984 --> 01:07:12,034
O.

1612
01:07:12,034 --> 01:07:12,974
Box dot com.

1613
01:07:13,264 --> 01:07:14,934
E U B A N K at P.

1614
01:07:14,934 --> 01:07:14,954
O.

1615
01:07:14,954 --> 01:07:15,764
Box dot com.

1616
01:07:16,414 --> 01:07:19,374
And we have this documentary, Free
Burma Rangers, you can get it on

1617
01:07:19,374 --> 01:07:23,424
Amazon Prime or RightNow Video or
some other Christian platforms.

1618
01:07:23,544 --> 01:07:28,434
I wrote a book called Do This For Love,
Free Burma Rangers in the Battle of Mosul.

1619
01:07:28,434 --> 01:07:29,454
You can get that on Amazon.

1620
01:07:30,104 --> 01:07:31,604
It's not a great book, but it's true.

1621
01:07:32,284 --> 01:07:36,534
And if God leads you to pray
for us, that'd be wonderful.

1622
01:07:36,754 --> 01:07:39,004
If it leads you to support
in some way, we're grateful.

1623
01:07:39,004 --> 01:07:39,803
Wonderful.

1624
01:07:39,803 --> 01:07:43,794
Listen, bro I hope there'll

1625
01:07:43,794 --> 01:07:44,874
Simon: be a good take up on that.

1626
01:07:44,894 --> 01:07:46,524
And guys, I watched

1627
01:07:46,524 --> 01:07:47,384
Simon: it at 7.

1628
01:07:47,384 --> 01:07:48,994
99 on Amazon prime and it blew me away.

1629
01:07:48,994 --> 01:07:53,404
And I had repeatedly tears in my eyes
that these just unbelievable encounters

1630
01:07:53,404 --> 01:07:56,424
and the gratitude and people's faces, and
they're just the rawness of the footage.

1631
01:07:56,464 --> 01:07:56,814
Ah.

1632
01:07:57,304 --> 01:07:57,534
So

1633
01:07:57,544 --> 01:07:59,364
listen, Dave thanks for

1634
01:07:59,364 --> 01:08:02,014
Simon: your time and get back
to the jungle in the next

1635
01:08:02,014 --> 01:08:03,654
couple of days and stay well.

1636
01:08:03,684 --> 01:08:07,264
And we'll be praying for you,
cheering you on, and just really

1637
01:08:07,264 --> 01:08:08,734
appreciate you sharing this with us.

1638
01:08:08,904 --> 01:08:09,724
Bye, Simon.

1639
01:08:09,824 --> 01:08:10,214
Thanks

1640
01:08:10,304 --> 01:08:10,964
Dave: for the encouragement.

1641
01:08:11,174 --> 01:08:11,784
Simon: Wonderful.

1642
01:08:11,814 --> 01:08:12,444
Hey, folks.

1643
01:08:13,234 --> 01:08:17,284
Listen, I don't think very few of us could
relate to what Dave's been through, but

1644
01:08:17,284 --> 01:08:19,564
we can be inspired to, to be fearless.

1645
01:08:19,704 --> 01:08:24,274
and bold and I love the sort of the
perfect love cast out here, doesn't it?

1646
01:08:24,275 --> 01:08:26,864
And love underpins all
that he's involved in.

1647
01:08:26,864 --> 01:08:29,334
Bless him, Karen, the kids
who are now not little

1648
01:08:29,334 --> 01:08:31,934
kids, grown up and listen,

1649
01:08:31,934 --> 01:08:34,124
Simon: as I said, I'll put stuff in
the blurb so that you can track with

1650
01:08:34,124 --> 01:08:38,054
him and I'd love you to give us a
great review on Spotify or iTunes.

1651
01:08:38,054 --> 01:08:39,704
If you want to be in touch
with me at SimonGilbert.

1652
01:08:39,774 --> 01:08:40,164
com.

1653
01:08:40,384 --> 01:08:43,104
I want to thank Adam Thomas Steer for the
editing, Mike Sandeman for the mixing.

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Next week, another fantastic
guest to be inspired by.

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By the meantime, God bless and toodaloo.