Podcast: Texas Real Estate & Finance Podcast
Episode Title: TREFP#33 With Zac Cambron
Host(s): Mike Mills
Guest(s): Zac Cambron
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Mike Mills (Host) | 00:00:12 to 00:00:20
All right, we're live. Happens so seamlessly. Right. Okay, so. Hello?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:00:20 to 00:00:38
Anybody tuning into this? My name is Mike Mills, and this is the Texas Real Estate and Finance podcast. However, just like last time, there'll be no real estate or finance talk today. Wearing my hat. Again, the reason I wear the hat is to differentiate when I go back and look at these, whether or not I'm talking about real estate or if I'm talking about something that I'm interested in.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:00:38 to 00:00:54
So, not that I'm not interested in real estate, obviously, it's my job. But today I have Mr. Zach Cameron with me. Now, Zach is first and foremost, he is a chiropractor, and he works at. Is it mind and body?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:00:54 to 00:01:01
It's body and balance. Body and balance. Okay. Body and balance. Is it chiropractic clinic or what's the chiropractic and wellness.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:01:01 to 00:01:17
Okay, so body imbalance, chiropractic and wellness. I should have had that written down. I had it in my head and he forgot to look at it. And he is also a baseball coach, I believe you coached prior to. In a high school setting.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:01:17 to 00:01:29
No, I just picked it up when I was in college as kind of like a summer gig. Gotcha. And now you do, like, private based. Just because of time. Now I just do like the private instruction type stuff.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:01:29 to 00:01:51
Okay, so we're going to talk about a couple of things today. We're going to talk about baseball a lot because. Big fan of it. And I'll tell you how I got associated with Zach here. And then after we get through our baseball stuff, which may take a second, we'll get into the chiropractic side of things, because I also have an intense interest in that, especially because my opinion on chiropractic.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:01:51 to 00:02:22
Just chiropractic. Chiropractic work has changed quite a bit over the last couple of years. And so I have some questions for you. I want to get your insight on that, because I do think that especially when it comes to chiropractic care, my opinion on what it was and what it actually is has changed quite a bit, simply because I started understanding more and more about the total body approach that most chiropractors take to actually solving the root causes of problems that you're having in your body versus just handing out medication to solve some symptom. Right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:02:22 to 00:02:42
Yeah. So that kind of stuff is fascinating for me as well. But I want to start with the baseball stuff first, just because if I don't, then Jamil will stream me up or something, he'll come after me but that's why I'm wearing my soldiers gear today. So shout out to Jamil if you see this, buddy. But that's HoW I met Zach.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:02:42 to 00:03:08
My son plays with eight one seven soldiers sports franchise that Jamil Coleman currently runs, along with a bunch of other folks. And I got to know Zach a little bit because he does catching instruction primarily, and then is out there with the boys all the time. So I have a ton of fascination in there. So how did you initially come into working with. And I know they weren't called eight one seven when you came on board.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:03:08 to 00:03:16
They were actually the patriots. But how did that all come about? BackgrouND ABOUT ME, toO. I'm from Midlothian. Ellis COUNTY.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:03:16 to 00:03:20
Yeah, Ellis county. Went to Midlothian High School, played baseball there. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:03:23 to 00:03:36
Went to college in Arkansas at Harding University. It's a d two school. But my freshman year, I think my mom started a new job with the owner of the Tarrant County Patriots. Okay. And he found out I was baseball player.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:03:36 to 00:03:48
I got you. So she started working there first? Yes, she started working there first. And then he saw her pictures of me in my baseball gear, and then he started asking questions. Hey, would he be interested in coming to help coach?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:03:48 to 00:04:14
Because at the time, I think it was maybe him and maybe he had one other guy that was doing a lot. Was that when Pete was there? Because Troy actually played with the Patriots? A couple, like, and then coach Eddie, so it was them two were the main guys. And then I come help out during the summertime and got to the point where originally I was just kind of tag team, and I'd be like the second coach on the field with a lot of the teams.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:04:14 to 00:04:29
And then I think after the first year of me Doing iT, I actually took over teams, high school teams. Okay. And so they kind of gave me free rein. And I love coaching the high school team because I don't have to do a whole lot because at that point. They kind of know a lot.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:04:29 to 00:04:42
They're learning. For me, you're more fine tuning. You're not exactly. My philosophy on that was, I'm going to just go let them play. If they do something in that inning or something, I'm not going to yell at them during the inning because they know, hey, I messed up, kind of.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:04:42 to 00:04:52
Yeah. You don't have to tell that they made a mistake. When they come in, I can definitely say, hey, what about this? Think about this. Just, hey, you let that ball come play.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:04:52 to 00:05:03
You just make sure you're taking initiative and you're attacking everything kind of thing. So when you first got into the coaching, are you coaching a team now or are you just doing instruction? I just do instruction. Because you have a job now. Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:05:03 to 00:05:30
Being a chiropractor, I work quite a bit, so it's hard to find that extra time on the weekends at least. So the instruction side of stuff, if you had your druthers, I know you enjoy the instruction because you do it, but are you kind of like, man, I wish I could coach two, and I know time wise, or do you just like. I really just prefer instruction. I really like the instruction aspect of it because I like getting in there and kind of fine tuning it. It would be fun to coach a team again.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:05:30 to 00:05:38
Right. But that is a big time commitment. I have a lot of cool things happening in the chiropractic side we might talk about here. Okay. Yeah, absolutely.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:05:39 to 00:06:03
That's kind of developing. And so that might be taking some more of my time away that I wouldn't be able to coach a team, but I still like doing the developmental and instructional aspects of it. Yeah. The hard part about coaching, especially at this age, a little bit, and regardless of what people think, and I'm sure if Jamil hears this, he'll chime in on that part, but you're not getting rich doing that stuff. You know what mean?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:06:03 to 00:06:15
Like, it's a, like, if you're doing it, it's a passion. Yeah. So I think it's tough. Whenever you especially, you said you recently got married. Within three years ago, I think you said.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:06:16 to 00:06:35
So when you start your family and you're starting to kind of head down that direction, it's like, man, I have this passion for this thing I like to do, but I also have this other passion that could possibly pay my bills. And so I think I'm going to go down that road a little bit more. Right, right. I always kind of tell my wife that baseball is like the thing that allows us to do some fun stuff. Yes.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:06:35 to 00:06:46
Or get the little fun thing that we might want or like new pair. Of shoes or something, it's a little extra income that adds to it. Were you a catcher? I was a catcher. Okay.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:06:46 to 00:07:07
So I have a special interest in that simply because I caught, I wasn't a college player. I just caught in high school and when I was growing up. And then my son catches a little bit, too, although it was funny this year, I was talking to him about, I was like, hey, what do you want to do? And he's like, well, he's like, I really want to pitch more and I want to play in the outfield and I was, well, what about catching? He's like, well, I mean, I don't want to not catch.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:07:07 to 00:07:46
He's like, it's just I've been doing it for so long and I just want to try some of the stuff and I'm like, okay, that's fine. But whenever I talk to coaches in the past, my personal opinion when it comes to anything with youth baseball in general is that hitting is a primary concern. Because if you can, and this is the joke I tell my son or whatever, but it's like if you show up to freshman tryouts in high school and you go up to the plate and you hit ten bombs over the fence, and then you go out to the field and you play right field and you drop four or five fly balls, they're still going to find a place to put you in the lineup. Right. You'll be the, eh.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:07:46 to 00:08:09
Yes, exactly. Right. So we try to focus a lot on that, but from a catcher's point of view and a coach's point of view, when parents start to concern themselves with what position their kid plays on the field, a, how important is that? Does it matter? B, as they're progressing, is it better to specialize in a particular position?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:08:09 to 00:08:25
Is it better to learn all the way around? At what age should they start specializing? All that kind of stuff. So the big thing I would tell a lot of parents is they should play wherever. Growing up, my, all my coaches are told if we were asked what position to play is, say, where do you want me to play?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:08:25 to 00:08:29
Right. That's the answer. Yeah. Even if you get to college. Got you.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:08:29 to 00:08:33
It's where do you want me to play? Right. I can learn it. Right. Because if you have that willingness, then.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:08:34 to 00:08:52
They'Ll find, whereas if you say I'm a shortstop and they're like, well, we already got a shortstop, they'll go move. On to the next kid. Yeah, kind of thing. So especially in the younger, like middle school age, I would say play everywhere, play as many position, you can play. As many reps in every spot.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:08:52 to 00:09:18
Exactly. Obviously, kids all have different body types and stuff like that. Some are a little more athletic than others at younger ages, and so obviously the more athletics tend to get put in center field, shortstop, second base kind of thing. But that doesn't mean that Bob's son that plays third base because he's a little bigger at 6th grade age or whatever, that he won't be a shortstop growing. Right when he's 16 or 17.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:09:18 to 00:09:33
Exactly. So, yeah, he's at third base. But if he takes reps at shortstop or works on getting that extra range whenever he hits his growth spurt, he might be six two and be 180 pounds and be able to get, and. Then at least has some fundamentals in that spot. Exactly.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:09:33 to 00:09:48
Yeah. So I always tell kids, especially at least just work in the infield and outfield. Yeah. I have one catcher in particular that I worked with when I was with Tarrant county, and I was worried about him. He couldn't fill the ground ball.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:09:48 to 00:09:54
He was crazy scared. We put him in the outfield. He had three balls. Hit him in the head. Oh, man.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:09:54 to 00:10:01
Five ball. Yeah. And so his dad's like, he wants to try out catching, And I was like, okay, let's do it. Yeah. I was like, he hasn't tried it before.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:10:02 to 00:10:10
And we put him beyond the plate. My first lesson, I was like, I looked at his dad, I literally threw, like, ten balls at him. I was like, we got it. Yeah. I was like, this is it.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:10:10 to 00:10:18
And now I think I'm forgetting how old he is now, but he's played varsity all four years at, I think, Alvareto. Oh, wow. Yeah. As a catcher or catcher. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:10:18 to 00:10:30
Catcher. That's all he. Think. Now, the reason, because I coached for a little. I mean, not like you guys, but I just coached kids when they were younger.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:10:30 to 00:11:02
Part of the reason I put my son behind the plate was because I tell him he's a spaz. His attention span is like this thin. And as a seven year old, if I'd stuck him out in left field, I would have lost him most of the time because there's very little interest. And so I put him behind the plate strictly because I understood it, obviously, because I played it, but also, it just keeps him engaged in the game the whole time. And then also, again, my opinion was that he learned a lot about the game because you see the whole field all the time from behind the plate versus otherwise.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:11:02 to 00:11:31
So do you think that if you have a kid that's starting to play baseball, I understand you're saying, hey, play all the positions that you can play, but would you recommend to a parent to say, hey, look, let them try catching, whether they like it or they don't, just because it has a lot of advantages. Yeah. And I think one thing with eight, one seven that we do really well, or coach DeMille does, is he kind of pushes them to be catchers. Like he's always trying to find catchers. Because we have eight catchers on our 13th.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:11:31 to 00:11:48
Exactly. It's because their legs are going to get tired, especially when we get into full season. They're playing or practicing two, three times a week and playing on the weekend, so bodies are going to be fatigued, tired. Plus, if they're playing another sport, they're doing that during the week, too. So I get a lot of.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:11:48 to 00:12:10
He'll just text me. He's like, hey, I'm sending this new guy to you. And I love it. It does really good, because then I can have the other kids who have been working with me actually try to teach them some stuff or talk to them while they're waiting their turn to. Go, which is great, too, because if you have kids, because I think this is huge, and this is one of the things that you said, and Jamil does great as well.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:12:10 to 00:12:29
But when you tell a child something and explain something to them and they perform it, maybe they understand it. They do it, whatever the drill is. But then if you can have them explain it to somebody else and have them work through that in their brain on how to break it down, they understand it that much better. 100% if it makes sense in their head. And then they're able to perform it better.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:12:29 to 00:12:41
Yes. So same thing with even education. If you're learning something or studying something and you can go tell someone else about what you're learning, that means you know it. Right? So that's kind of the philosophy within that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:12:41 to 00:12:48
And that's usually why whenever I'm working with my individual groups, then I'm usually. Doing three, two or three kids. Yeah. Because they need breaks, too. Right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:12:48 to 00:13:01
Especially because I'm going to make them hold a squat for a while. Right. They're going to wear out. But with all that, too catching, you have to be an athlete to be a catcher, too, because you're moving left, right, you're in a squat. You have to be able to get out of that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:13:01 to 00:13:16
You have to be able to spring out your legs. So oftentimes, a lot of our catchers actually play middle infield or they'll be a center fielder or something. Yeah. So there's several of them that are middle infielders. I'm trying to think of one in particular.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:13:16 to 00:13:30
I think they all do. Yeah. Everybody on our group, I think, for the most part, can play in the middle infield. That's one thing I love. I played second base growing up a lot, too, and even third base, I was a short, stocky kind of guy.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:13:30 to 00:13:45
And so catching kind of got sprung on me just because or when I was playing, like, wreck ball before I got into playing select baseball, well, it's. Weird because nobody ever wants to catch. If you ask kids, do you want to catch? VERY RaRElY. Is somebody like, yeah, because they're all, especially at a younger age, there's that fear of the ball.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:13:45 to 00:13:58
Right, right. They're like, why would I want to willingly get hit by a baseball or have someone potentially hit me with the bat? And any child that comes to you and says, hey, I want to play catch, you're like, what's wrong with you? Are you okay? You seem like you might be a little mentally unstable.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:13:58 to 00:14:04
Are we sure that we're all right here? WHAT'S GOING oN? You've been hit a little too much. YES. SOMETHING HApPENING at HOME?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:14:04 to 00:14:05
Are you okay?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:14:08 to 00:14:31
So let's just stay on the catching thing for second because I like to nerd out on a few of these things. So if you're working with a kid, where do you start? As a base fundamental to say, okay, you want to learn how to be a catcher, first you got to do this, then you got to do this, then you got to do this. And how do you work that progression? I think a lot of this kind of strings from my college career and what one of my coaches or what we worked on quite a bit is mobility.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:14:31 to 00:14:54
Okay. And so the first thing I work with knee catcher, whether they've been with me for a while or not, and I always kind of start back when we start back up for our springtime, is I work on the same thing. And so the first thing is being able to move your hips side to side so you keep your chest center to the ball. Part of that kind of idea is that if your eyes are moving because your shoulders are moving, it's making the ball move too much. OKAY.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:14:54 to 00:15:06
If you're moving through your hips, your head stays more level. GOT YOU. And still. So that you can catch the ball a little easier so you can track it in better, especially once you start getting into the older ages and when you have breaking balls and stuff like. That makes it a little, the tracking is extremely important.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:15:06 to 00:15:24
EXACTLY. So that's the first thing is working on the mobility and stuff. And then, if you notice in the facility, I use these little, small foam golf balls. YEAH. And so one that's working on soft hands because they're foam, so they bounce off their hands pretty easy, but they're having to move and track those little balls.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:15:24 to 00:15:40
And I kind of got that idea from Robinson Churinos. Oh, really? When he first started catching for the Rangers, they used to video on him in the dugout. He'd have a little card with colors, and they were talking about him doing it for visual stuff. OH, wow.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:15:40 to 00:16:08
And I could be wrong in, yeah, but it stuck with me, and that's whenever I started, I was, okay, that makes sense. Now we're having to pick up colors into. I don't go in as far as where I make the kids say the color that they're catching or anything like that, but they're having to pick up a smaller object and catch the ball well. And on that I noticed when I first started playing with you guys, too, that Jamil was real big on. Well, not big on, but he would, for lack of a better word, blame the catcher.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:16:08 to 00:16:42
Whenever the pitcher was struggling a little bit on hitting the zone, because if you're not giving him that target, or the target is the wrong word, if you're not receiving the ball in a proper way because you're stretching to reach to it or you're not moving your hips over in front of the ball, then that tracks. The umpire's eyes say, okay, well, they missed his spot. Whereas just a slight shift in your hips. Maybe you get that call versus stretching over your arm and trying to grab. 100%, because then if you move your body too, just like anything, if your center of gravity is behind you, behind your arms and stuff, you're able to control it more.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:16:42 to 00:17:23
So if you're reaching for the ball to try to catch it, then it becomes a long lever, which then the ball is going to, especially when you get higher velocities, that ball is going to carry your glove out and start moving it. Whereas if you body and chest behind the ball and your shoulders is more locked in, then you're able to manipulate the ball and move it around where you want it to. With all my instruction, it's mobility, moving, getting that motion down, trying to get it in your head that you need to start moving the hips back and forth, and then we start going with hand eye coordination, and then it's framing. Well, and it's crazy, too. I thought my son was fairly athletic kid and could move around and bounce around, but kids hips are actually really tight a lot of times, and it's crazy how much that makes a difference.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:17:23 to 00:17:48
Just in the ability to sit comfortably in a squat, to be able to like nobody is on base, you're framing up, pitching, whatever. But I was shocked at how many, and I've seen it just because of what Belinda does with the yoga and all the other things that a lot of these know that are baseball players. It's so important that they have that mobility, but very few of them actually. Say, I used to preach yoga, yoga before Belinda started helping us out, which she's a godsend. I'm SO glad You'Re.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:17:50 to 00:18:10
But that's how it say, all right, yoga, yoga, yoga. And I used to, before my sessions, I started spending more time trying to work on things, but before my sessions, I would do a big hip mobility thing, basically 2030 minutes. And so my times have gotten, because of work, my times have gotten a little shorter in the duration of my lessons that I give. Right. So I had to kind of knock that out.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:18:10 to 00:18:19
But as I AlWAys Preach, YoGA, YogA, YOGA, BEcauSE that WAs MY BiggEST ThiNG. And we'll get into this in a little bit. But that's kind of how I got into chiropractic. Oh, really? Through the yoga piece.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:18:19 to 00:18:36
So the yoga piece, because I went to workout. There's a place in the Blothian called Atlet. So I WeNT THERE WHEN IT FIrST KIND OF STarTED. And my chiropractor, my mentor, was doing movement screenings, so he was just doing simple things to test how much mobility we had. And I was a catcher and couldn't do a squat with keeping my heels on the ground.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:18:37 to 00:18:48
Right. And SO he WaS like, that'S A PrOBleM. And then if I were more prepared, I could have shown him a picture of me my freshman year in high school and just show my squat. You're just up on your toes the whole time. Cringe.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:18:48 to 00:19:09
Well, I wasn't on my toes, but my knees were out like a foot and a half from my body. Really? And I was like sitting on my heels with my feet out like this, if you all can see it on the screen. Wow, it looked awkward, right? And I don't understand how I was good at catching with that kind of stance, but I made it work.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:19:10 to 00:19:36
So what is your opinion, since you played in college and I know you played Division two, but either way, you're still playing and you're going through the grind of all that. So parents right now that are, and I'll give you my opinion on it just so you can frame it in a way. When I talk to my kids about sports in general, when we talk about baseball, football, basketball, whatever, we tend to play. My son plays everything. My daughter's a volleyball player, played a lot of stuff when she was younger.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:19:36 to 00:20:04
But my whole thing about any athletic endeavor when it comes to team sports is that the benefit of playing team sports is that you get certain characteristics that you develop as a person that carry you through all other points of life. So, for example, you learn how to lose. I think that's a big, big deal. When you learn how to lose and you learn how to understand that, sometimes you lose because you didn't prepare, and sometimes you lose because maybe you got cheated for real. Maybe that happened.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:20:04 to 00:20:11
But either way, you still lost. There's nothing you can do about it. So how are you going to figure out how to get over that and move on? Right? Also, you have to interact with people.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:20:11 to 00:20:43
You have to deal with people that on your team that aren't like you or different than you or whatever. And so you have to be able to have interpersonal skills to be able to communicate with them, to understand that, you have to take instruction right? You have to be able to be coached. You have to learn that you're not right all the time, that somebody can teach you something and learn how to listen and pay attention and then take lessons somebody gives you and then put them to practice in your own daily life. And I think that all of those things make for a very well rounded, successful person.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:20:43 to 00:21:28
And even in my business, whenever I look to hire employees, if I come across somebody that was a former athlete, especially in college, I'm like, I can figure out how to make this person what I need them to be because more often than not, they have those base skills that make them a good, I don't want to say good worker, but just somebody who has value for trying to be successful at something and knows the steps in order to make that happen, right? And so the way I look at youth sports in general, and I tell my kids, this is like, I don't care if you play in high school. I don't care if you play in college. And then, of course, beyond that, whatever. And I always say that to my parents when I was coaching those kids, it's like, listen, once your kid hits puberty, the whole game changes.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:21:28 to 00:21:58
So whatever you were doing when you were in fifth grade or 6th grade or third grade or even 7th grade, depending on when it happens, that the body changes and even the mental changes that kids go through at that point are completely change what your kid can do. Sometimes they continue to be great, sometimes they don't. Sometimes they were terrible, and now they're all of a sudden amazing. Whatever. But what you don't change is the process at which they have to work to get to achieve something 100% right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:21:59 to 00:22:18
So that's the thing you should focus on, not the result of their performance, like whether they strike out or whether they hit a home run or whether they've missed the ground ball or not. That's the fruit of the labor. Right. You want to see that start to progress, but that's not what matters. It's how did we get to this point?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:22:18 to 00:22:37
So playing in college and going through that, what was your experience coming from high school? Being recruited to go play and then actually being a part of it and playing in college, would you recommend it to parents? What was your experience like? Mine's probably going to be a little different than a lot of kids. Well, maybe not completely different.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:22:37 to 00:22:51
But first off, all that, my coaches, always our college coaches and even high school coaches, the word that always came from their mouth was process. Process. Right. It's a process and everything. If you do it the right way, the results are going to come correct.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:22:52 to 00:23:11
So going back on kids developing and their bodies maturing, some stay really good. Everybody catches up to them. But if the training is the same way and you're working that same high intense level and stuff, that's when you separate yourself. Right. So I would say it's 100% the process.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:23:11 to 00:23:34
As for my college experience, I went to a few camps and stuff like that. Like recruiting? Yeah. The college would have, like their showcase camp or something like that, but that didn't actually do anything for me. Well, it may have done a little bit, but I had a teammate on my summer team that he went to a Church of Christ private school here in Fort Worth.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:23:35 to 00:23:43
I forget what it's called. I think it's Fort Worth Christian. Okay. But anyways, he had a private tryout with Harding. He's a pitcher.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:23:43 to 00:23:57
And I was on my summer team, and I had literally actually just drove to Arkansas Tech, which is in Harding's conference or one of their showcase camps. Okay. And my dad and I happened to drive by Harding because it was an hour off the way. So we went and stopped by it, looked at it. I was like, I like this school.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:23:57 to 00:24:09
Okay? And so first tip is, go somewhere where you want to get educated. Okay? That's more important than baseball. How many people actually make it to the big leagues or get drafted?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:24:09 to 00:24:19
Yes. It's very small. So education is the most important that goes across the board, whether you're a middle school kid or high school kid or college kid. Right. And this is kind of, again, where my story is a little different.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:24:19 to 00:24:34
So back to the kid. He had his private tryout. Well, he's like, hey, my catcher on my summer team is interested in you guys and was coming to you all's camp in like a month. And so they're lIke, we'll bring him with you if he wants to come. So I went and I caught him the whole time.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:24:35 to 00:24:46
And then they watched me hit a little bit, and they were like, come on to the camp. Oh, wow. So I still came to the camp. At the time, they had already had an offer to another catcher. Well, by the time the camp came around, the catcher had changed his mind.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:24:46 to 00:24:54
Yeah, changed his mind. And they watched me, the whole camp. They were sitting there talking to me. We were hanging out, and I had a scholarship offer. Oh, wow.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:24:54 to 00:24:57
After the camp. Yeah. That's awesome. They called me, like, the day after it. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:24:57 to 00:25:14
Like, hey, we want you to come play for us. So you need to get a lot of exposure. You need to get in front of. As many people as possible, getting as much people as possible, taking advantage of the showcase camps. A lot of those showcase camps, unfortunately, they're going to look for the kids that have those kind of.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:25:14 to 00:25:19
The measurables. The measurables. How tall are you? How fast are you? Right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:25:19 to 00:25:29
They're going to look at the guys. That are super tall. They're going to look at Vilo is big, big and everything. And because they feel like they can teach you other things, right. They can't teach you how to be six two.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:25:29 to 00:25:46
They can't teach you how to run a four two. They can't teach your physicality and maturity, body maturity and stuff like that. And so I think with the showcase camps, and this is where I was saying that I don't know if they did anything for me just because I'm five eight and was 160 pounds. But you learned how to operate within that, right? Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:25:46 to 00:26:18
So I got to kind of understand, oh, there's other people here. There's a little more competition. High school, we had two catchers whenever I was a freshman that tried out or we had a few more than that, but two that were actually decent. And I was head over heels better than him and knew the coaches and stuff like that because I went to all the schools, camps growing, and then I think whenever my sophomore year, there's two kids ahead of me. So I was on JV and then they were on varsity because we didn't have any seniors that were catchers.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:26:18 to 00:26:32
And so then the next year they were on varsity, too. And I played JV again because I needed playing time. Plus I had an injury. So I actually was looking at making varsity as a sophomore and then had an elbow injury. Thought I was going to have to have Tommy John.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:26:32 to 00:26:36
Luckily did not. Okay, that's fine. But my velo was way down from there. Because your arm was hurt. Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:26:36 to 00:27:07
And then, as you mentioned later, earlier, it's about hitting. And so my sophomore year, because I knew I had the opportunity, I was putting so much pressure on me because I knew I was as good as the other catchers defensively, and it was my hitting that was the kind of questionable thing. And I was hitting 200 on JV my sophomore year, the face you made, my coach kept saying, hey, because the two other catchers, they didn't throw a runner out till playoffs, and so I was throwing runners left out. Right. But they're like, but you got to hit the ball.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:27:07 to 00:27:14
But you got to hit ball. Yeah. We can't have a big, huge hole. If you're hitting 200 against JV pitching, you have varsity. What do you think you're going to face?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:27:14 to 00:27:33
Yes. That's where I kind of woke up. And then I had my injury. And then my junior year, they didn't really pay attention to it too much because I was still recovering from that injury because it happened just before the season, and I hit close to 500 on JV. Did you work on it that summer?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:27:33 to 00:27:52
I did. I went back to one of my old hitting coaches. His name is John Davis. I think he's still in the area doing stuff, but I went hit with him, and he unlocked me, and I was stellar. And I wish I would have stayed with him in college because he understood me, understood my body.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:27:52 to 00:28:05
He was probably one of my favorite coaches in understanding different body types. And you saw fall off, like in college because you felt like you. Yeah. And it wasn't necessarily because I stopped working with him. I think it was different ideas, different philosophies.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:28:05 to 00:28:17
Then when I got to college. So this is the other caveat. There's a lot of turnover in college. Too, because everybody's looking for a better deal or better deal or just couldn't make it. The coach that signed me, he got fired.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:28:17 to 00:28:36
And so our head coach and the assistant that came in, they actually weren't there whenever I was there. So it just happened that when they had the showcase, our head coach's father passed away. So he was gone for that. And then the coach that actually saw me wasn't there. So I came in basically as an unknown.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:28:36 to 00:28:52
They're like, who are you? Yeah. So my freshman year, I think I hit like, 320 or something during the fall, and they red shirted me. Okay. And this is where if you get red shirted as an athlete is know what is expected of you know what you probably need to do extra on the side.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:28:52 to 00:29:02
Right. And so there's a reason you're red shirted. Right. And so, again, my mobility wasn't the greatest, which is what got me into chiropractic, and I had worked hard to get it there. Well, my freshman year of college got red shirted.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:29:02 to 00:29:19
I went from 170 my freshman year to leaving that freshman year at 198 pounds, all muscle, 28 pounds of muscle. Okay. And I got back the next year. I couldn't move because you were too tight. Everything was so stiff because it was all just tight, and I wasn't doing any mobility or anything in between any.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:29:19 to 00:29:30
Of the workouts, which is a catcher is huge. Right. I literally probably lost two 3ft to my right and left trying to block baseball. Wow. Yeah, it was bad.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:29:31 to 00:29:47
That hurt me quite a bit. Hitting again, I think red shirting actually just taking that year off, I lost a lot of timing. So I played summer ball that summer, but I just never felt really right at the plate after that. And I felt like my hands weren't as quick. And that was one thing my coaches always said, man, you have really quick hands.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:29:48 to 00:30:05
And I just felt like I couldn't get to a ball. And so that's where it kind of started falling off. From there, I got into athletic training. So I was in our athletic training program at school, so I studied sports medicine, and I started working with all of our other sports team. And so scheduling with all that got a little fringey, so I didn't have the extra time to spend to put in the work.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:30:05 to 00:30:29
Yeah. So where the other catchers on the team were staying till we get done with practice at six, they'd be there till 738, hitting extra and stuff like that, I couldn't do it because I had to go eat and then go to another sporting event right after that. To work that, to get my hours for your class and license and stuff that I would have in the future. Yeah. So that's kind of where mine's a little more unique and probably didn't have the same college experience as most kids.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:30:29 to 00:30:38
But how long did you actually play? So I played all four years. Okay. I was back up most of that. I played a little bit, but not consistently or anything like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:30:39 to 00:31:12
Maybe one game, like full and innings wise. You know what's funny, though, is, and this is just my personal anecdotal experience with this, but when I've come across coaches, because I've been involved in a lot of different athletic or coaching type stuff, like, I was on the board for NYBA, so I served on the Baseball association board for a number of years, had a football league that I ran and helped start and got rolling. My kids have played basketball and. Sorry. So I've been in through all of them, met a lot of coaches, a lot of different people associated with all kinds of sports.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:31:12 to 00:31:55
But more often than not, when I come across people that have played that, when I say player, like the Division one baseball player or the ex college football player or whatever the case may be, they're usually not the best coaches, for the most part. Always exceptions, but for the most part they're not. And the reason being is there's a couple of things, I think, but part of it is once you've played for a while and you're coming out, maybe you didn't make professional, get to the next level. Whatever the case may be, at some point you're kind of trading on your name and your history, right. If you want to continue in the baseball world.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:31:55 to 00:32:10
WeLL, I was a pitcher at LSU and I went to this school and pitched in the College World Series. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, great, come work for us. We want you to be a coach. Because they want to know on their billboard that the XLSU guys here coaching, blah, blah, blah. Right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:32:10 to 00:32:56
But then when you actually experience them working with your kids and doing things with other people's kids, again, not everybody, but you start to see this. They don't really have the ability, what we talked about a minute ago, of taking the information that they understand and then relaying that information to a child. Right. And that is a detriment because, yeah, they could physically perform the activities and do the stuff themselves and they did it at a high level, but that doesn't mean that they're able to teach it to somebody else. And more often than not, what I found was the guys that had some experience because except for Jamil, I guess you can't coach baseball if you haven't played it, right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:32:56 to 00:33:11
To some extent. You can teach yourself a lot of stuff. Yeah, but. You can teach yourself a lot of stuff. But either way, when you're always punching up, I guess when you're trying to, like, you played reserves, you were backup a while.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:33:11 to 00:33:18
So you're always trying to figure out, how do I need to get to start. Right. So I need to work on this. I need to work on this. Okay, well, what do you do?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:33:19 to 00:33:35
And it just seems like guys like you and guys that have gone through that are a little bit better coaches because they've had to teach themselves how to do things. Right. I would agree because you guys struggle through it. Yeah. And I think that's honestly what helped me.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:33:35 to 00:33:49
Even, again, education. I went where I wanted to get my education. Even I didn't play baseball as much as I would have liked. My career didn't go as well as I would have liked, especially at the college level. But again, the sole purpose was to go there to get the education.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:33:49 to 00:33:58
Everybody's career ends at some point. Right. And I knew I wasn't going to be a professional player or anything like that. It was the stepping stone to what I do now. Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:33:58 to 00:34:23
And that's the biggest takeaway. And I played all four years because I tell myself, I was like, maybe I should have quit because I could have focused a little bit more on school. Right. But I'm also not a quitter because committed to four years of college baseball, and I was going to play four years of college baseball, whether if I were miserable or not, which I was at times, I would have say, there's a lot of headaches and stuff. I could have saved myself if I would have just.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:34:23 to 00:34:40
But my dad and I, he's like, he goes, I know you're struggling. He goes, we're not quitters. I know you're not one either. And I was like, I'm here. Part of it was the guys, even if I was a reserve player, they counted on me to help them get better.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:34:40 to 00:34:53
Whether it's bull pins or, hey, maybe we need to work on this little thing. Or, hey, I'm noticing you're doing this stuff. It's the thing of being there to help them, too, was part of it. But all that stuff is what made you a great coach, too. Right?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:34:54 to 00:35:22
Again, struggling through it, being able to understand other people, well, it's very difficult to. I think it's really difficult to see when you're doing something and you're in the middle of it, good, bad, or whatever, you don't really get good perspective on the stuff that you pick up from that until later. Right. So I'm sure if you were to look back, hindsight 2020, I don't think that you would go back in the future and tell your current baseball self then to quit. No.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:35:22 to 00:35:37
Right? Yeah, 100%. Looking back, I would have done this differently. Or looking back, I always say if someone came up to me and asked, what would you do differently? Or if you could go back to some time in your past and start over, where would you go?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:35:37 to 00:35:52
And I would have said, high school. Now that I know, hey, baseball is not it all. Not all. But that would probably help me in even being better at my career because I wouldn't put so much stress on me. It meant everything to me.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:35:52 to 00:36:04
But now that looking back at it, maybe I wouldn't have been as stressed out, pushed so much on certain things, and maybe would have done better, or maybe I would have. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. But I think, like I said, going through the experience.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:36:04 to 00:36:17
Yeah. And I always say God has a reason for everything. That's right. So he'll lead you. Whether or not the path has shadows or it's clear as day, you follow willingly and things open up and.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:36:17 to 00:36:38
Yeah, there's a lot of God things that's happened in my life, too. Yeah. No, I mean, when you go through stuff and good or bad, and if it's hard or challenging or whatever it is, you're going to take things away from that. It's going to really impact your life in ways that you just don't know at the time until later on. And then I always tell people, it's like, look, when you say, can I go back and change something?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:36:38 to 00:36:55
It's like, well, you could, but if you're not happy with who you are today, then maybe you would want to change things. But if you're happy with yourself and you like who you've become, then why would you want to change anything? 100%. Yeah. Because everything you went through had some sort of benefit or whatever that you picked up today.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:36:55 to 00:37:12
That's right. Baseball career wise, that's what I would do. But, yeah, I'm grateful for the road I've been on. So you went to Harding, and that's when you got into. Would you say that, obviously your chiropractic world kind of started there to some extent.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:37:12 to 00:37:25
Right? Is that why you were in school? So going back to again. So my mentor, chiropractor, he was here in Midlothian. He now actually owns a practice in Richardson, but he did a functional movement screening on me.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:37:26 to 00:37:43
He actually let me come in for a little bit for free because he wanted to use me as a. Yeah, he was pretty fresh out of school, actually, and he wanted to use me as like a clinical trial. So he was going to try some stuff. He was going to track the research and see, okay, hey, what kind of works best? And stuff like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:37:43 to 00:38:14
So he was going to track all my treatments and then kind of put it together and he exploded. SO I don't think he ever actually put anything together from it all, but I say worlds and bounds leaps. My career was so much better because of him. So I attribute a lot of my success in being able to go play college baseball is because of the work that he helped with me in educating me on my body and stuff like that. And so that's kind of where I got into that realm because originally I was like, I think I might want to be an engineer because I enjoy figuring out how things work and stuff like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:38:14 to 00:38:27
Chiropractic and healthcare. That's right. You got to figure stuff out. But that's kind of what spurred that fire within me to go into the healthcare realm. And so athletic training was kind of the stepping stone.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:38:28 to 00:38:43
Okay. And I was upfront with the professors and faculty that helped guide me and mold me while I was at Harding. And I told them I was like, my plans to go to either PT school or chiropractic school. Okay? I was like, I want to go further than just athlete training, partially.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:38:43 to 00:38:50
That's just because athlete trainers are, they. There's way too many bodies for them to take care of themselves.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:38:53 to 00:39:19
And they all get shit on all the time. Yeah. And so if I ever talk to somebody that's like an athlete trainer again, things happening with our practice and stuff, I'm trying to work and see if I can get into schools a little bit more. But I told him, I was like, you're the one that makes a call. Anytime I've had an athlete come in and the trainer wants to kind of see what my ideas of what's going on and stuff, you're the one making the decisions because you see them more than I am.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:39:19 to 00:39:35
Right. This is what I see is going on. This is where I'm going with it, and this is the idea I have. But it's your call whether they play or not or they're released to go back into the weight room or something like that. And so I was like, this is your realm.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:39:35 to 00:39:49
I was like, I'm just going to be a tool for you. Yes. Because I think a lot of trainers, too, can get upset or mad because they're like, oh, well, you don't trust me and you're going somewhere else. I try to back them up a little bit. Yeah, very apparent.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:39:49 to 00:40:08
And if I have an athlete or parent who says the trainer is not doing anything for them, and I tell them, I was like, well, it's probably not their fault. It's because it's two of them for 400 athletes. I was like, they're overworked. That's not their fault. I was like, they're probably the best trainers that you could probably ask for, right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:40:09 to 00:40:22
But they have so many obligations, they're spread thin. Yeah. I was like, but that's what I'm here for. I was like, I want to be their tool. So if they can't get you better or they feel like you need a little bit more, then I'm the guy they send them to.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:40:22 to 00:40:38
Right. And that's kind of where I've gone. With a lot with the training. Okay. So, with the training side of things, when you got into that, you had the experience of the guy that was the chiropractor that had kind of helped you with your mobility.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:40:39 to 00:40:54
So once you got into athletic training side of college, you knew, well, this guy was awesome. So I want to do that, or maybe this. And that's where you got into, because I don't know that it's always curious how people get into chiropractic. Is that the right way to say. I think it's just chiropractic.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:40:54 to 00:41:09
Chiropractic. Okay. Screwing up how to say it. So, when someone gets into chiropractic, it's one of those things where you wonder how they got down that path, because parents and kids are, oh, you need to be a doctor. Go be a medical doctor.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:41:09 to 00:41:35
Go get your MD, or go be a physical therapist, or go be a nurse. Or when you think about health care, you get in that direction. So the thing, again, personally, that I've discovered over the last year or so about the chiropractic field is just the whole body treatment, which I'm a big fan of and a big proponent of, because I think we do too much in the healthcare industry to treat symptoms. There's too many medications given out. These days.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:41:35 to 00:41:48
If you're a doctor and you're running a practice as a general physician, you have to see so many patients just to make money. So when you have people coming in for 30 minutes and you're like, they're, Bailey, look at you. What's the problem? Okay. How long you been experiencing.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:41:48 to 00:41:54
Okay, blah, blah, blah. All right, cool. Here's a script. Go do that. And you walk out, and you're like, I guess this is what I'm supposed to do.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:41:54 to 00:42:18
I don't even know. And the chiropractors that I've met and talked to, it's a completely different approach. And I think that over the years, it had gotten. Because this is just my personal experience, it had gotten a bad rap, because if you didn't understand it and you didn't really know what was happening, then it almost seems like voodoo, right? It's like, well, what do you mean?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:42:18 to 00:42:34
You're going to twist me and you're going to do this. It's like, well, yeah, that's part of it, but there's so many other facets to it. So just to give your synopsis of, generally speaking, as a chiropractor, what kind of services do you offer? What is the benefit of those? Just kind of dive into that a little bit.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:42:34 to 00:42:42
Yeah. Back to athletic training. It's very similar to physical therapy. Physical therapy is just a little bit more deeper into the rehab aspects of it. Right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:42:43 to 00:42:53
With that, my philosophy is very much kind of a mixture of chiropractic and physical therapy. Okay. And so with all of my patients. Try to get a little closer. Yeah, sorry.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:42:53 to 00:43:21
I try to tell my patients, I'm going to treat you as an athlete whether you see yourself one, as one, or whether you are one. Right. And so whenever they come in, I'm assessing them as when they walk back, oftentimes I'll be walking straight ahead of them, and then I'll kind of swing around and watch their last little bit of their walk into my room. Right. And then when I'm asking them a bunch of questions, half the time I'm just looking at their posture to see how they're sitting, if one shoulder is rocked forward or something like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:43:21 to 00:43:42
And so a lot of my philosophy with chiropractic is, one, where are you not moving? And that's the big thing with chiropractic, is getting areas of your body that's not moving to moVe. Right. And so that's the whole sole purpose of the adjustment. And then the other part is, okay, where do I need to add strength to help you hold and support yourself?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:43:42 to 00:44:11
So on the movement thing, will you talk a little bit about why movement is so important, especially as you age, because of all the things that can happen, because I think older people lose sight of, everybody knows, eat this, eat right, whatever. But as you age, like, oh, I'm tired, I can't go for a walk or I hurt my knee. Know, they come up with all these reasons why they can't move and have exercise. And that's the unfortunate thing about pain, is it makes you not want to do that. Right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:44:11 to 00:44:31
And so one of my favorite authors, or I forget what field he's in, I think he's a physical therapist, but his name is Dr. Greg Cook, and his slogan on his book called Movement is, First, Move well and then move often. Okay. And so my big thing I'll tell people is like, we got to move often. Right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:44:31 to 00:44:45
I was like, whether you're hurting or not, we got to get up and walk. So I usually will encourage a lot of my patients to, after they get adjustment, I tell them not to load their spine because if you're compressing something, you're going to tighten something back up. Right. And so I usually say, let's go walk a half mile. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:44:45 to 00:45:04
If they don't walk very much, then I say, okay, well, let's do like a quarter of a mile and then maybe go do another quarter of a mile later in the day. Right. And try to break it up. But I was like, we got to be up and moving because if you go home and just sit down when you're sitting, that's what's called a closed pack position. So everything's going to be closed and tight because you're not moving.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:45:04 to 00:45:13
And so if you're up moving, everything's going to actually be open and be in that better state of movement. So that's kind of where that all comes from.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:45:15 to 00:45:30
You can look at, say, Grandma, she breaks her hip. If you get over the age of, I think it's like 65, 70, if someone breaks their femur in their hip. It'S a real problem. It's a real problem. I think it's more.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:45:30 to 00:45:50
So if you're in your eighty s and you break a hip, your ability to heal is one. Yes. As you get older, your body's ability to heal from things is a lot slower. Right. But because you have to be immobile for so long, there's Scientific Research that says that you're at an increase of actually dying because you broke your hip.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:45:50 to 00:46:06
Wow. Because you're not moving well. It's crazy how the Mobility side of things, it's like we say, well, youth is for the young or whatever, but the older you get, it's more important. And that you move more frequently. I experience it as I'm 44.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:46:06 to 00:46:27
I'm not that old. But if I go over the holidays, if I go a couple of weeks without really getting after it and working out and doing the stuff that I normally would do, I start to feel it. It's like my back hurts and my knees hurt. But then the moment that I go work out again and back on the yoga thing, my wife and I, we do hot yoga. Nice.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:46:27 to 00:46:37
And that is like, you want to talk about getting your ass kicked? I used to do it all the time. It is intense. And anybody was like, oh, Yoga. I'm like, no, you don't understand.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:46:37 to 00:46:58
Go do a 90 minutes BikRam hot yoga class. And then come talk to me after that, because it's a nightmare. But as much pain and Suffering as I go through doing those classes, if I don't do them, if I go like three or four weeks without doing One at all, then I feel like crap, Because I'm just not. It's like lubrication for your joints and your back and everything. 100%.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:46:58 to 00:47:18
Yeah. That's the biggest thing that I will probably see in a lot of our patients is a lot of them are going to be Desk workers, or you're. Over sitting here or your overworkers, like. Construction or somebody's got a very Physical Job. And the Physical is just because you're Constantly loading your spine, you're picking up things, stuff like that, where probably not the right way.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:47:18 to 00:47:30
Doing it wrong. Right. So it's not that they're necessarily not moving, it's just that their spine is under a lot of load. And so say you load something enough, it's eventually Going to break down. Just like your car needs tune ups and stuff like that.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:47:30 to 00:47:44
Well, especially because it's like repetitive stuff. When you're doing the same thing in the same. It's not like you're working your whole body necessarily. You're not doing your legs and arms back, you're just bending over, picking up, bending over, picking up or lifting up. Or hanging sheet rock, whatever.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:47:45 to 00:48:04
And then your desk worker, it's usually because they're not moving. Services that I provide in the office is one. The most important thing is the adjustment that's going to get the highest amount of movement within the joint itself because of the way the chiropractic works. It's called a high velocity, low amplitude adjustment. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:48:04 to 00:48:13
It's the speed of it. It actually will help stretch the muscles and it works within the. When you say the speed of it, what do you mean? So it's a high velocity. So it's a very quick.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:48:13 to 00:48:31
Oh, yes, I see those on social media. So it's quick and it looks very scary. I try to stay away from TikTok and stuff because I don't agree with. A lot of them probably doing that a little wrong. Yeah, it's just a little too intense and something.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:48:31 to 00:48:45
Try to be a little more safe. But the speed of it actually tricks. You have a receptor called your muscle spindle, and it senses stretch. And so if your body stretches too. Much, so it's like a stress result kind of thing.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:48:46 to 00:49:03
So the receptor, its sole job is to prevent the muscle from being overstretched to where it tears. Right. And so that muscle spindle will actually tighten up if you're not moving, and it'll get used to that shortened phase. And so it'll stay tight. And so with the adjustment, it actually will stretch it out quick.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:49:03 to 00:49:19
But since it's so fast that it actually kind of tricks that receptor, so then the body says it'll stretch, and before it can react, it's like, that was interesting. And then it'll be like, oh, that's okay. I can move that far. Okay. So it helps it remember that it's capable of doing that, basically.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:49:19 to 00:49:37
So then it gets it a little looser and a little looser. Sometimes people don't respond that quickly, so sometimes I can't do that kind of adjustment on the first visit. Again, safety is first. Right. So based off my exam, I'll say, okay, well, we're going to start with this because it's more gentle, because you're either one hurting a lot or you don't have that mobility.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:49:37 to 00:49:55
So we're going to try to induce that mobility. And so another thing that I use to help get mobility, too is I do what's called a myofascial release, and that's kind of the overarching broad term for it. There's a lot of different techniques that you can go out in there and learn and stuff. There's a technique called Graston scraping. So I just take a little tool and just scrape through the muscle.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:49:55 to 00:50:03
So that actually gets the muscle loosen up, too. It's kind of like foam rolling. It's a little bit more intense. Intense? Yeah, a little more.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:50:03 to 00:50:12
It's not a nice, gentle foam. I've put some bruises on some people a few times. I always apologize for it. Yeah, it's curious. The one that comes like, I want to do that thing again.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:50:12 to 00:50:22
You're like, wait a minute, bro, why are you here? Yeah, I love it. Why are you getting punished? What's going on? Our other doctors make fun of me because we actually just added a new doctor into our office that does it, too.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:50:22 to 00:50:44
But they would make fun of me because they talk about sending a patient to me, and I just have an evil little grin on my face because I know it hurts. It's kind of my guilty pleasure treatment. So I do that, but then I wish I had more time to do it, or at least someone else in the office that could do it is more rehab. Right. So that's kind of the vision.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:50:44 to 00:51:04
That's the stuff. That's like physical rehab, like having either. An athletic trainer or a physical therapist or occupational therapist in our office space, which we actually, we're blessed where we're at. We have Texas Crow works that shares the building with us, that they have a lot of other passive modalities with the cryo chamber. They have a laser that helps with healing and stuff like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:51:04 to 00:51:30
They have a lot of things that are good for arthritis and stuff, but they have an occupational therapist assistant that comes in and is overseen by an occupational therapist, but she'll do rehab and stuff like that. Okay. And so I try to push patients that way because a lot of times I can adjust them all I want, but if their structure is too mobile, then they're not going to hold that adjustment. So they'll be good for a few days, and then after a few days, it's, oh, I need adjustment again. So if they're too mobile.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:51:30 to 00:51:31
Yeah. So people can be too.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:51:34 to 00:51:45
And that's when I wouldn't do a normal adjustment. So, like the HVLa where you see the TikTok where they're rolling the neck, or they're putting a lot of pressure into someone's back. Yeah. They're twisting them. Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:51:45 to 00:52:04
That's when I wouldn't do that because that's inducing a lot of motion. And so that's when I would go, there's other tools we have, like a drop table or an activator, which are very. They're still going to be a quick, low force activator is just a little spring loaded tool that you can put right on the bone. And that helps kind of. I usually say I'm trying to drive in a nail with it, but it's very low force stuff like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:52:05 to 00:52:34
Typically, if someone's had surgery and I'm trying to work in that little area, I'll use the activator because we're not going to adjust this area that's got rods or that together because it's not going to move one and we're not. Going to create any more issues. And so that's one little tool that I use for a lot of those patients. Will you talk a little bit about how? Because one of the things that I think I learned, I guess, when it comes to what you do, is there are parts that, let's say I have pain in my back, right?
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:52:34 to 00:52:40
My back hurts. Well, it might be my back. Right. But it also might be my ankle. Right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:52:41 to 00:52:53
And it's weird. People don't understand. They're like, well, wait a minute, but my back hurts. I know your back hurts, but your back is a symptom of what the problem right. And I think if you came and sat in our office and watched me for a day, you would hear me say that a million times.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:52:53 to 00:53:08
Yeah. Because your body is 100% a chain one. So within the muscle, and this is the myofascial stuff. So the myo stands for muscle, and then the fascia is the interconnecting tissue, tissue between the muscles. It's what allows the muscles to slide.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:53:08 to 00:53:22
Past one another without rubbing on each other. Exactly. So it helps slide. But when you get trigger points, it's because of either dehydration, you get an injury or something like that, where the fascia becomes more of a adhesive and so it'll catch those muscles. And I didn't even think dehydration would play a big role.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:53:22 to 00:53:34
Now that you say that, it's like, yeah, no shit, if you don't drink. I mean, again, love drink water. That's all I ever reason, all I drink. But even just the lack of hydration could cause your joints and ankles to hurt 100%. Wow.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:53:35 to 00:53:40
Yeah. So that's the big things. I will always talk to people about hydration. So what's a good. Just.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:53:40 to 00:53:52
Okay. Technical again, if I'm a 40 year old male, okay. How much water should I be drinking? I think the biggest recommendation, or the one that I see the most, is half your body weight now. Okay.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:53:52 to 00:54:03
And so that's usually why I see. Usually, again, I would just go by the eight cups. General rule. Yeah, usually. So if it's a water bottle, like the 16 ounce water bottle like this, usually, say about three or four of those.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:54:03 to 00:54:17
Okay. And you're probably good. Now, if you're drinking coffee or something with caffeine that dehydrates you, it's called a diuretic. So it makes you urinate and stuff like that, you're going to lose more water than you're actually consuming in the. Coffee and holding in.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:54:17 to 00:54:31
So it's a lot of people. My dad's the worst. I'll drink four cups of coffee. He's a sweet tea drinker. And I tell him all the time, I'm like, if you're drinking three sweet teas that have sugar caffeine in there, you're going to lose a lot of water.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:54:31 to 00:54:48
And he's like, well, my leg keeps cramping up. I didn't think about it that way. So as a diuretic, because I knew that caffeine was a diuretic, but I didn't think about the fact that, and when you say diuretic, I'm thinking I'm going to be on the toilet all day long. But I didn't think about actually peeing. That's what it's causing you to do.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:54:48 to 00:55:18
So it doesn't even get time to soak in because it's pushing it out so quick. And if you're doing that a lot, or even if you're drinking, you can drink too much water, right? So if you didn't have any coffee, but you're drinking all your body, honestly, it can be even half your body weight in ounces of water. If you're not taking enough sodium in or anything like that, then you actually will start losing a lot of the electrolytes or minerals out of your urine too. So then that can actually create a deficit for you because basically you're dehydrating your body by overhydrating.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:55:19 to 00:55:35
Wow. And so you're not retaining the water in that way aspect. And I still don't know why, but I read had seen something a while back. So in the morning when I get up, the first thing I do is I pour a big glass of water and actually put sea salt in it. I mix it up in there.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:55:35 to 00:55:51
Not a ton, but just teaspoon or something. But I'll put that in there because I read somewhere and saw, I was like, hey, if you're going to wake up into sea salt, but that's why, because you need that salt in order. To retain it, to help retain the fluid. So I have a lot of people, I drink plenty of water. I was like, we'll try this.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:55:51 to 00:56:10
And usually they come back and say, man, I feel like that's really been the trick. Do you think those hydration things that are set to the rage now, do you think those are good or bad? Like, there's noon, and then the one that's the most popular is, dang it. Think of the name. It comes with a little pouch.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:56:10 to 00:56:20
You pour it in. It's just someone. I don't typically do a lot of mixes or anything like that, so I don't pay attention. There's no sugar in it. It's a hydration thing.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:56:21 to 00:56:39
I know if I drink, so sometimes I'll get sleepy. We have spark at the office, and so I'll take that because it's got natural B twelve to help kind of give you some energy and stuff. But I noticed that makes me have to go to the bathroom a lot more. Yes. I've also noticed if you're doing my dad does.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:56:40 to 00:56:52
He does like the little again packets, but it's like splenda. Packets. But I noticed if I do that, it doesn't have caffeine in it, but it typically is making me go to the bathroom more interesting. So I don't know if it's. I just drink it faster or something like that.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:56:52 to 00:57:07
Liquid IV, that's what it's called, liquid IV. So that would be good if you're very dehydrated. Okay. But other than that. Other than that, there's a lot of people, and it's funny that a lot of people use it for post fun nights and hangovers and stuff like that.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:57:07 to 00:57:27
So in that case, it would help kind of help your body clear a lot of the alcohol or that residual stuff. If you're a high intense competitor and stuff, and if you're a football player and you had a Sunday night Football game and the next day, that would be when it's good for you. Right? I don't know if really hot baseball. Like, if you're at a turn, baseball.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:57:27 to 00:57:41
Stuff like that would be good. Now if you're just doing it just to do it. Well, I'll tell you, I did. So I got on the liquid IV stuff, and it might have been the noon. I don't remember which one it was, but for whatever reason, I started taking it almost every day.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:57:42 to 00:58:02
And when we were doing the hot yoga, it was fine because I would do it. Because you just sweat like crazy, so it would help me feel better the rest of the day. But when I wasn't, I didn't realize my wife was having surgery, and she had to keep having. She had, like, a blood pressure thing that she was running her blood pressure off of. And I was just screwing around one day, and I was like, I don't know where my blood pressure is.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:58:02 to 00:58:18
And I took my blood pressure, and I was like, holy crap. What the hell? I was, like, at the doctor, like, a month or two ago, and I've never had a high blood pressure. I was like, what the heck happened? And then I realized I was taking those hydration things all day long, and because of their sodium content and everything that was in thEre, it was causing my blood pressure to go right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:58:18 to 00:58:29
Well, even just that increase in fluid, too, that would actually increase your blood volume and stuff. So that would increase your blood pressure, too. Total sense. Yeah, there's a lot to do with that. So hydration is important.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:58:29 to 00:58:34
Hydration is very important. Water and just a little. Don't get too fancy. Right, right. Yeah.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:58:34 to 00:58:48
Making sure you're keeping a good balance of it. That's the key. Okay. So when you're doing physical therapy in there now. I did want you to say, okay, so we were kind of got off on a second with the water, but on my back hurts.
Mike Mills (Host) | 00:58:49 to 00:59:04
Why is my ankle the problem, right. With that? So, again, myofascial, the muscle and the fascia work together. So you actually have what are called fascial planes, or fascial chains. And so the biggest one, and this is one that we work on quite a bit because we're always working on your back, is what's called your posterior chain.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:59:04 to 00:59:21
And so it actually starts here at your forehead, runs all the way down your back, and then runs to the bottom part of your feet. Okay. And so that is actually one continuous chain all the way through. And if you can imagine all the muscles that are affected on that, then you have get this in a lot of overhead athletes, too. It's your lateral chain or your lateral sling.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:59:21 to 00:59:34
And it actually kind of follows the pattern of your lat. And so your lat starts here in the front of your shoulder and then fans down under your armpit and fans out across the side of your back. Right. And so that is how it can connect. And that's actually I talk to.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:59:34 to 00:59:56
If I ever do hitting lessons, which I don't do very many, because hitting was not my forte, I usually stick with what I'm good at catching. And so I'll talk to them about having to keep their elbow into their side because it keeps their lat engaged. And that's actually how you translate power from your back and your hips into your arms. And so then it translates into the back. So you keep it in here versus this stuff.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 00:59:56 to 01:00:14
So if you watch a lot of major league hitters, they'll do all their nonsense before they're hit. But then if you look at their contact point, they're all going to be very relatively same in their contact point, and the bat is going to be almost locked into the edge of the shoulder. Wow. Okay. Again, they're getting their lat and everything engaged, right.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:00:14 to 01:00:29
And so that everything can translate, because the lat, actually, it runs and stops right at the hips. Okay. But again, there's fascial planes that can connect it. So if your hip gets off, something in your shoulder could be off. There's also very common conditions, and a lot of people have them.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:00:29 to 01:00:59
It's called upper and Lower cross syndrome. And so it's typically, if you make an X on your body. So if you're going through my shoulders and you make an X, typically upper cross syndrome is going to be a tightness you're too tight in your pecs, which rolls you forward. You're too weak in your upper back, so your rhomboids and everything that's in between your shoulders, and then you get weak here in the front and then you get overly tight in the back of your neck, so then you get this kind of thing. And that's why when you work out, you got to work all the muscles because otherwise, if you overwork the chest or you overwork this part, it's going to offset.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:00:59 to 01:01:07
Right. I can tell you how many people I tell stop working on your chest, right. And they're like, but that's what everybody sees. But that's. I'm trying to be Jack, bro, but.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:01:07 to 01:01:29
No one cares, right? No one's looking at, yeah, I'm not going to sugarcoat. That's a lot of the thing. And there's even, like, if you have a bad breathing pattern. So I've been talking about, I just actually took a seminar on the shoulder for my continued education and one thing they talked about was breathing.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:01:29 to 01:02:08
And so if you're breathing through your chest and stuff, that actually requires some of the muscles that connect to your shoulders. And so if you're stressed or if you're just high respiration, so working out and stuff like that and you're breathing to your chest, you're using a lot of the neck muscles and then the muscles around your shoulders. And so that could even create shoulder pain. And so if you can get the breathing pattern down and actually have them work using their diaphragm, which Belinda was talking about the other day with the yoga session, I went and helped out with her on Tuesday night this week and she was talking about using your belly to breathe. So that's how huge just being able to use your diaphragm will be in taking a lot of pressure off, pressure.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:02:08 to 01:02:19
Off your chest and shoulders. There's a book I read, have you ever heard of, it's called Breath or breathe or breath. And it's by James Nestor. I think I've seen it, but I haven't read it. So it's awesome.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:02:19 to 01:02:51
And I loved it because I'm a mouth breather and I have been my whole life. That's just how I exist. That's part of the reason I like having the screen here, because I remind myself every once in a while, close your mouth, Bo. But in the book, he talks about nose breathing and how important it is because it's changed just like your mandible and your chin and how much us chewing because food is softer and used to back in the old days, you're chewing on everything isn't soft and easily digestible. It's a lot harder.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:02:52 to 01:03:11
But that breathing is so important because it impacts everything else, especially when you breathe through your nose. There's a certain level of filtering that occurs that doesn't happen when you breathe through your mouth. And I think you tend to breathe more, like you said, from your stomach than you do just that, in and out. That quick stuff that you do when you're working out. Right?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:03:11 to 01:03:42
Yeah. If you can get to that, where you are doing that quick breath in your belly, that'll typically take a lot of that pressure off your chest so you're not, again using those muscles. Right. And so I get a lot of people who I always tell people, see this, that our world's constantly, it's fast paced, and that creates stress, whether you know it or not, you're driving down the street, you're constantly having to look around and be aware. And this Is the Other Cool Thing about chiropractic, too, that I talk about with patients, is you have Two parts of your Nervous system, and One Is your SympathetiC Nervous system, which is your Fight or Flight mode.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:03:42 to 01:03:57
And then the other Is your ParasyMPathetiC Nervous system, which is your rest and digest. And without boring you with the never. You will never bore me. Never bore me or getting into it too deep. Basically, the world around us is driving that sympathetic nervous system.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:03:58 to 01:04:27
When you're driving, you're in Fight or Flight. People don't realize that when you're in your car, you're in this Metal box. Driving down the road, you may feel relaxed and at ease, but your brain is going, oh, crap, what's going on? And so it's stuff like that that's constantly triggering you, keeping you in that state that your body doesn't ever relax. So even if you're sleeping, a lot of people have insomnia where they can't even either go, they can't fall asleep, or they wake up and they can't stay asleep or their mind's constantly racing.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:04:27 to 01:04:47
It's because that's so high and Elevated that they can't get into that rest well. And back to your move point. That's why exercise is so incredibly important, because you have to wear yourself out. Like, you got to do hard shit. So you're exhausted by the end of the day to some extent, because all of the stress that you've built up all day long, if you can just shove it out, because you go run for 5 miles or you get on.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:04:47 to 01:04:52
It, you let go of it and forget it. That's right. Yeah. You take it out and you're working out. Yes.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:04:55 to 01:05:40
There's research, too, that shows that the parasympathetic levels actually get driven up by an adjustment because it does create a sense of ease in the body. And there's Endorphins and Stuff like that that get released with an adjustment which give you a sense of well being and stuff like that. Do you experience People coming into your practice and starting at a certain point that because of what you guys. Because, again, comparing it to going to the general practitioner that you're going to go visit because you hurt your knee or whatever, the orthopedist or whatever, that they're going to give you a pain med, they're going to tell you stay off of it. I think, at least it appears from my experience, because I said my wife had gone through a couple of surgeries, at least they're starting to get better in the world of, hey, after you have something happen, you need to actually work on keep motion, don't rest and sit because it just makes it worse.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:05:40 to 01:06:17
But do you guys see that when you bring a patient in and you're working with them, that their overall health starts to improve because, yeah, you started with an issue, but because you've given them the, you got to move, you got to hydrate, you got to do all these other things that that person, all of a sudden, you look up two years later, they're still your patient, and they've become 100% healthier person across the board. 100%. I actually was just telling somebody, I was like, hey, congrats. You've been my patient for two years. You were one of my first ones, I think originally saw them a couple of times a week for a while, for probably a few weeks.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:06:17 to 01:06:41
It's usually how long it takes is a couple of weeks to get people out of pain, but there's that longevity of one keeping you out of pain but also working on the small things that's going to help you maintain and function properly. Yeah. And so I was joking with her. Congrats. But that's one thing that I often get with patients is, man, I've been sleeping a lot better.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:06:41 to 01:06:58
That's actually probably one of the biggest things that will bring people in, especially guys, it seems like, is that, oh, it's been affecting my sleep. So that's why I figured I should go get looked at. Well, guys, we live in this world to some extent, where we got to be tough, right? We got to deal with shit. It's like, get over it.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:06:58 to 01:07:10
Stop crying about it. Just deal with it. They'll go away. Yeah, and that's fine to a certain extent. But the problem is that stuff adds up when you experience the normal amount of stress that you have in any day.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:07:10 to 01:07:45
And again, women got their own stuff that they're dealing with, too, but just from a man's point of view, it's like you're dealing with whether it's supporting your family or just all the things that we have to cope with on a database, and then you're not getting the stress relief of exercise out and pushing that out. Then all of this stuff starts to build up, and it starts to manifest itself in so many different ways that if you don't have somebody that you can go to and they go, hey, dude, it's okay. You can destress a little bit. Let me show you how to do it. And you are streSsed, whether you believe it or not, this is happening to you, right?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:07:46 to 01:07:54
Yeah. I can't tell you how many times I have. It happens. Women and men. Women are usually more open to sharing things than guys.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:07:54 to 01:08:03
They like to share More. Yeah. And I'll get a guy in there in the first visit. Like, I'm doing their exam. I'm sitting there trying to figure out what's going on with them, and I get ball humbug.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:08:04 to 01:08:13
My wife told me I had to come. Exactly. And then I adjust them, and they get up off the table. I'm lIke, whoa. I can't get them to stop talking.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:08:13 to 01:08:25
How'd you do that? Yeah. Ten minutes Later, I'm like, all right, I got to get to the next pErson. And so the next time they come in, man, I've been feeling great. They don't even wait for me to ask them any questions.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:08:25 to 01:08:34
They just start talking. There's that. Exactly what you said. Guys Tend to bottle uP. They're like, oh, I'm just doing this.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:08:34 to 01:08:56
But I tell you, More times than. Not, do people come to you? I mean, obViously, I would think more people come when something's wrong, but you guys get many people that come in and just like, hey, I feel good, but I heard this is good stUff. Yeah, I would say probably 90% of people come in, and it's because they're hurting. We get a lot of patients, too, because we are more of a wellness clinic.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:08:57 to 01:09:24
I have a good amount of patients that come in once a month, and they're like, hey, this is hurting a little bit. I've been good, but I'm just feeling a little tight in this area. Can you get me loose and feeling good? So probably 90% are pain paced patients that are coming in with an active complaint, and then we get them out of that, and then they see the benefits, and they keep coming in that once a month kind of thing because they don't want to get back to that. So that maybe they start with pain, but then let's say you have, I don't know, however many 100 patients, right.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:09:24 to 01:09:47
90 of them started with pain and they came in, but now, what, 50 or 60 of them, no more pain, but just coming in? Yeah, probably 40, 50% of them continue to come in, and sometimes those patients will fall off because they are feeling so good for so long, and they're like, oh, I've been good. I don't think. Or something with life happens and they had to cancel their appointment or miss it, so they just don't think about it. Does insurance cover it?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:09:47 to 01:10:03
So insurance is covered. Our practice is cash only, okay, so we don't deal with anything. But you as a patient, if you do have chiropractic coverage in your insurance plan, then you can actually call them and they'll tell you how you can get reimbursed. Reimbursed for it. So we provide what's called a super bill.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:10:03 to 01:10:25
It has all the treatments we rendered to you, so then that way your. Insurance can go in and provide it out. And so you have to do as a patient, which is actually, they're usually more willing to pay you if you're the one doing it than they would be me. Got you. But there's a lot of frustration within chiropractic, and I would say probably most professions, is that insurance companies kind of dictate what care we can provide.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:10:25 to 01:10:56
Right. I know one of my biggest things is with trying to get imaging on a patient because we don't have X rays in our office. Unfortunately, it's one thing I wish we had, but if I wanted to do a simple X ray, sometimes based off your insurance, if you're trying to use it, you have to go to your primary care and be referred for it versus me just doing it when I have the capability and have the knowledge of how to do it and why to do it. And I've already did my exam that proved that we need it kind of thing. So they'll make them go to the primary to get the thing, and it's just because of the type of insurance plan they have.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:10:56 to 01:11:23
And so that's one thing. Or if I know, hey, you fell and heard a pop in your knee, and I'm probably thinking you tore your ACO or something. And I know that you need an MRI, right. An X ray is not going to do it, but you can, the insurance company, I can refer them to it, but if they're trying to use their insurance, their insurance will say, well, you need an X ray on it first, but you also have to go to your primary care to be referred for the X ray. And then based off that, if they want, if the X ray doesn't show anything, then you have to go back to them and they have to refer you back for an MRI.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:11:24 to 01:11:43
Isn't that crazy how insurance can dictate how your care can? It's very frustrating, and it prolongs the process, and it just creates more pain for people because then they're just manifesting. It's just pain, and then they're stressed and that leads to pain too long cascade. So back to the chain thing, even stress can create. And pain can create more stress and creates more pain.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:11:43 to 01:11:55
And it's just everything can foil over. And I'll usually talk about pain is the last thing you'll notice. And so this is going again on the guys. As stuff builds up, pain is the last thing you're going to notice. So you can do something for your whole life.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:11:55 to 01:12:06
And then 60 years rolls around and then you bend over to pick up a piece of paper off the ground. And back snaps or whatever. Yeah. And you're in excruciating pain, unable to stand all the way up. I get that a lot, too.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:12:07 to 01:12:15
Just came out of nowhere. Well, probably didn't come out of nowhere. Yeah. And I'm just like, were you doing anything the day before that night? And they're like, no, I just woke up with it.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:12:15 to 01:12:38
I was like, okay, what do you do for work? I was like, okay, have you seen anybody for it in a while, or have you had issues like this in the past where it's gotten better? And usually the answer is yes. I bet you get a lot of people that come in that have tried a lot of different things with their doctors and orthopedists or whatever, and they're kind of like, I just got to get this figured out. This is wearing me out.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:12:38 to 01:13:12
And then when you sit down and actually talk to them and ask them questions, because that never happens when you go see anybody else, and they're probably like, this is awesome. Just because I get to tell you how I'm actually feeling versus you telling. Me I can tell you how many people I get in that have been to one. Their primary or urgent care or the ER or something where they're like, I was there for five minutes and they wanted me to take this boatload of medication, and I'm like, okay, well, let's talk about that. Or not necessarily about that, but okay, what's going on?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:13:12 to 01:13:20
And so our exam is one on one with me. Right. And it's a book for an hour. Usually they're a little less because they. Figure it out pretty quick.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:13:20 to 01:13:43
Yeah. The history of me just asking you and talking. Yeah. You know, you've done it a few times. And that's also some of the complaint with medical doctors that patients I probably don't understand or just know about is that when they have their nurse in there taking your history and ask you some of those questions up front, that's just taking some of the time away from the doctor because offices are overbooked.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:13:43 to 01:13:51
Well, they have to. That's the only way they can pay the bills. Right. Because collecting from insurance, like you said, is a nightmare. Is a nightmare.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:13:51 to 01:14:03
Yes. That's the big part of it, is the history. And so a lot of those medical doctors, they don't spend as much time because their nurse already did the history form. Right. And then they don't read it because I've experienced that myself.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:14:03 to 01:14:09
The nurse is like, what about this? What about this? What about this? And you're like, okay, I tell them everything. And then the doctor comes in and goes, well, what about this?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:14:09 to 01:14:19
What about, like, what was the whole point of her being in here? And so I get that frustration, too. I get some patients that are like, well, I answered that on your intake form. Why are you asking me again? Personally, I just like to ask them again.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:14:19 to 01:14:24
Yeah, well, I think that's a little different. Right? Well, some people. Yeah, 100% different. Because, again, you're already talking to an.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:14:24 to 01:14:35
Intake form that you're having to fill out. I mean, you're not sitting there examining that beforehand. Right. That's a little bit of probably people's frustration, and they don't see that. Hey, there's this much time.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:14:35 to 01:14:57
But again, I would agree. There's a lot of doctors that don't even look at that and they just come in and ask a bunch of questions. But the unfortunate thing is their main source of treatment is to throw a pill at it. Yes. And that's the one frustrating thing with it, because a lot of times, a lot of people go to their medical doctor or their family doctor for aches and pains or back pain.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:14:57 to 01:15:09
And I don't think people fully understand. And you just kind of laid it out a little bit of a doctor. And this isn't. I don't want to be knocking on MDS. They're there for a reason.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:15:09 to 01:15:30
Right. But the way the insurance system is set up, they have to go through so many hoops to get, like you said, an MRI, an X ray, order all these things out. And then the time that it takes and then the billing process that they have to go through on all of those different tests that they run, like, even just getting. I tried to go in, I picked out an OD. Is that right?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:15:30 to 01:15:44
Not an MD, an OD. Because of that very reason. I'm like, look, I was trying to get a blood panel. I just want to go get all my levels checked, just see where I'm at. And even the OD was like, all right, well, I got to ask you this first.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:15:44 to 01:15:51
And we got to go through this first. I'm like, you can't just let me. I'm telling you, I want a blood panel. I want to do the. I'll pay whatever, like, well, for your insurance to cover it.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:15:51 to 01:16:11
We got to go through this whole thing, right. But if they want to write me a prescription for a pain med or for any kind of blood pressure medicine that the pharmaceutical companies have been pushing and pushing and lobbying and lobbying, and now the insurance company is like, oh, yeah, sure, you can write them a script for that, no problem. You want to get an MRI? We're going to make you go through all these hoops to get there. Right?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:16:11 to 01:16:20
More money. Yeah, of course. They're trying to hold people, too. It's like insurance company is going to hold on to their money as much. Doesn't matter if it's home insurance, car insurance, or health insurance.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:16:20 to 01:16:31
Yes. They don't want to pay out. They're technically not for profit, but they're for profit. Yes, unfortunately. Well, and that's where you guys are so valuable, because in a way, it's great.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:16:31 to 01:16:59
And then in a way, it kind of sucks because of the most people have insurance and they don't want additional out of pocket expenses for their health. And it's hard because everything comes with a cost. And it's like, if you don't spend the money to find out what's going on with your body, then the costs that you're going to pay down the road are going to be so much greater, 100%, than if you take care of it now. And so because you guys operate outside the system a little bit. And most chiropractors do.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:16:59 to 01:17:31
I know there's some that do insurance, but you're operating outside the system some, and you're saying, hey, look, we have all these things that are going to offer great value to you. It's just not always covered by your insurance, but it still is going to serve you a great purpose. And I think it's one of those things where if you've gone through some kind of event in your life where you've experienced something, where you've had your health affected significantly, then you start to place a lot more value on those things. Right. And if you haven't, then it takes a little bit for you to get to that point.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:17:31 to 01:17:55
But the money that you spend and yeah, you can get reimbursed sometimes or whatever, but it's no different than, yeah, you can go to McDonald's and go through the drive through and spend $10 on a meal. Used to be like five, now it's like 50. Yeah, it's crazy. Or you can go to, what's it, Whole Foods, right? And you can go to their little thing and you'll spend $25 on lunch, right?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:17:55 to 01:18:19
And you're like, well, I don't want to spend that money, so I'm just going to go the cheaper route. But you do that every day for the rest of your life and you're going to be in really bad shape. Right. So it's just like explaining and having to, for you as a doctor in that situation, having to explain to somebody the value of what you're doing for them, especially when it's such on a long time horizon, it's just tough. Right?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:18:19 to 01:18:53
It is. Again, going back to patients, probably get 30 or 40% of people that decide they want to do the once a month maintenance plan kind of thing. With a lot of patients, even if they don't, we get them better and they're going to feel good for a while. And then I tell you how many, me being in practice for two and a half years now, I've seen probably good majority of those patients that didn't keep up with maintenance come back in. And usually it's either it's a new issue or it's the same issue, but a lot of them will start saying, oh, I need to do the maintenance.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:18:53 to 01:19:14
And so they'll stay on the maintenance. I think it's, once they get the. You got to go through it, right? Once they understand it, they're like, okay. And then I also talk to people about it, too, and I probably don't do a good enough job about it in the education aspect, but I usually will tell people we're going to have to do a few visits up front because we're working with your body memory, muscle memory and stuff like that.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:19:14 to 01:19:29
Right. But if you come in for five visits and say with us it's $40 a visit. So you come in, that's however much that's. I can't do quick math, but either way it's $200. You pay $200 for those four visits.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:19:29 to 01:19:51
Okay. Well, if you paid the $40 a month for twelve months or whatever, but you have that flare up again every six months, you don't have to pay. Those two or three visits. Right. You're potentially paying more for me to get you out of pain versus staying feeling good or having minimal things pop up in that month and staying on that once a month.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:19:51 to 01:20:14
So you're probably paying a little bit less to be on the monthly plan. Right. As opposed to having flare ups or things. Do you discuss with people when they come into about. Obviously there are individual issues, but when you were talking about hydration and certain, whether it be supplementation or vitamins or whatever it is that you would say, hey, look, we're going to treat this issue with your back or your foot or whatever, but are you drinking enough water?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:20:14 to 01:20:28
Do you go through that kind of stuff? So I don't do a whole lot of nutrition. That's one thing I wanted to get more into in school. Physical therapy, rehab was my interest. I kind of took my physical nutrition course, kind of took the backside.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:20:28 to 01:20:38
We have a lot of classes all at once. I had to kind of pick and choose where I needed. Well, I mean, whatever nutrition course you took back then, it's going to be outdated right now. Right. Because it changes every day.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:20:38 to 01:20:55
Something new comes out and even that's old too. Yes. Which is the crazy thing. But I do give a lot of nutritional recommendations for inflammation because a lot of the processes in our body is caused by inflammation. And so I'll talk to people about their gut health sometimes.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:20:55 to 01:21:11
Again, it depends on what's going on. I've had a lot of kids in with a lot of stress that's caused constipation and stuff, really. And I think a lot of it's been weather induced. So we've had a lot of scares with tornadoes and stuff. And so some of these schools have been put into a lockdown because of the tornado and stuff.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:21:11 to 01:21:28
Okay. And that was one of the kids that came in. So you have kids coming in with stress or having constipation issues because they're. Stressed out about other things, and it creates other issues. And again, not proven by science that we can help with constipation or anything.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:21:28 to 01:21:52
And if it is, I haven't looked at the research, but by restoring motion in the spine and getting the muscles around the spine and even, like, in. The stomach and abdomen, it relieves the stress. Relieves the stress and the tension that. Helps them go to the bathroom. Getting back on the nutrition aspects of it, your gut has what's called the gut brain.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:21:53 to 01:22:16
And so you may have read about it or heard about it. And so, again, back to the McDonald's versus whole foods, getting a healthier meal versus fast food and greasy food. That greasy food is going to create inflammation within your gut. And so if your gut is inflamed, that inflammation will start affecting other things. It'll affect the neurological input back to your brain and how your body responds to things.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:22:16 to 01:22:41
It will leak to the spine because your digestive system sits really close to the spine. So that will start leaching kind of out of the organs and stuff and start affecting the spine. So I get a lot of patients, especially, even if these kids, again, they're constipated, they probably have inflammation on it because those organs are being distended or expanded, which then puts pressure on their spine. And so they have a lot of low back pain, too. That's why their muscles are super tight.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:22:41 to 01:23:00
And so we adjust them, and it comes back. The coolest story is that kid, he hadn't asked for food for two weeks. Mom's like, I couldn't keep him out of the pantry, and now I have to force him to eat, and he doesn't go to the bathroom. I adjusted him. I was working on his sister right after, and he was like, mom, can we have pizza for dinner tonight?
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:23:00 to 01:23:09
Because she broke down crying. Oh, wow. And I get teary every time I talk about it. Awesome. Because it was that immediate, and it doesn't ever happen, or it doesn't always happen that quickly.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:23:09 to 01:23:33
Yeah, but that's amazing. That's kind of like the not necessarily scientifically proven things that can happen with chiropractic, but some of the things just by thinking about how the body works together. Again, it's a chain just by clearing out what we get taught about what's called interference. So your spine houses the whole entire control panel of your body nervous system. And this is another thing I talk about.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:23:33 to 01:24:06
So if your vertebrae are not moving as well or you have inflammation or muscle tension or something, the input back into the brain. So the signal that's received by the nerve that transmits it back to the brain, if that message is lacking or it's got interference to it where it's maybe muffled down, the brain's response to that is a muffled down response, or it's still the correct response for that muffled down thing. I always talk to people about the telephone game where you tell somebody something and then they have to pass it down. By the end. It's not the same, it's yet to grade.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:24:06 to 01:24:26
So that's kind of the idea with if you're not moving well in your spine or you have inflammation, and that's the big thing is if you have inflammation that will kind of muffle or it will change the signal. And so the output is not the right output. And so that's where you get your compensations and stuff. So that's when other things start to bother you because you have an issue with that. Exactly.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:24:27 to 01:24:53
The idea is if we can clear that and get that vertebrae moving the way it's supposed to, or open that vertebrae up or that joint up where the inflammation is sitting, it takes pressure off the nerve, the joint itself, and. Then the communication throughout your body is that much better too, and clears up. And so that's kind of my idea with the kid having that reaction to. The conservation stuff, with that kind of stuff, though. When you said, we don't have any scientific proof to show this.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:24:54 to 01:25:12
Yes, you don't, but it's kind of like forever. The whole idea of the placebo effect was discounted for a very long time just because it's like, well, I'm not really giving you anything, so it's your brain. Okay, but does that matter? Does it matter what is giving the relief? You know what I mean?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:25:12 to 01:25:15
The goal is to have the relief, whatever that may be.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:25:18 to 01:25:30
Let's say the constipation thing with the kid. So you did something with him and caused him to be hungry again. He was ready to eat. Well, you think it was this, right? Well, what if it was something else?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:25:30 to 01:25:34
It just wasn't what you thought it was, but it was something else. And did you know? Maybe not. Did he know? Who knows?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:25:34 to 01:25:55
The relief occurred. He still had the result that he was looking for. Right. And so that's where the whole trial and error thing comes in, especially with individuals, because I think people forget that health is very personal. And what I mean by that is what helps you and impacts you and makes a difference for you doesn't necessarily work for other people and vice versa.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:25:55 to 01:26:04
Right. What helps them, and it doesn't necessarily work for you. So you have to try things out. You got to try different modes. You got to go to a chiropractor, you got to go to your MD.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:26:05 to 01:26:25
Maybe you need to meditate, maybe you need to drink more water, whatever the case may be. But you've got to try different stuff to get yourself feeling better. What you don't want to do is just quit, is just say, well, I'm just destined to be in pain all the time. Yeah, I've had a few patients who've been stuck in this pain management cycle. There's a reason for pain management.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:26:25 to 01:26:44
There's a reason for serves a purpose, stuff like that. There's a place in a job for everything. But when they've been on a pain management thing where they're getting the same pay meds for five, six years and they're still hurting and still in this, and it doesn't really do anything. What are we doing? What are we doing here?
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:26:44 to 01:26:55
You're spending money on medication every month, but $40. Exactly. Well, that's one of my first patients. That's what she was doing. And no one talked to her about, hey, maybe we need to strengthen your body.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:26:55 to 01:27:04
Hey, maybe we need to get you moving. And so she stopped taking all her medications. First thing is she felt like she had more energy. Yes, absolutely. Because of the medications.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:27:04 to 01:27:16
How many side effects are in medication? Oh, yeah. And you got to take other medications to offset the side effects. Well, and again, there's a place and a reason for all. I'm not saying that if you're on blood pressure medication for having high blood pressure, you shouldn't be taking it.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:27:17 to 01:27:34
No, you need to be on your high blood pressure medication. But when it comes to, like, a pain medication, stuff like that. But again, high blood pressure medicine, fine. But if you change your diet, if you stay more hydrated, if you exercise more, maybe you don't need that anymore. Doesn't mean you need to stop taking.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:27:34 to 01:27:50
It means you need to start finding ways to solve why you need to. Right. That's also a mindset thing. A lot of that comes from one, I think our country as a whole, and I'm guilty of it, everybody's got lazy times and said, my wife would like me to be skinnier. I'm sure.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:27:50 to 01:28:00
Hey, look, it's always a struggle. It's always a journey. Nobody's ever where they want to be. Yeah, but she would like me to work out. But I understand just as everybody else, you have to have the energy.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:28:00 to 01:28:05
And sometimes motivation is not there to do it. And then it also gets harder when you stop doing it.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:28:07 to 01:28:26
That's the big thing is I think our society is used to things being easy. That's the kind of thing. Health is not easy. No. Well, and I actually had somebody on here last week, she's a psychologist and a health and wellness coach and nutritionist and all this stuff.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:28:26 to 01:28:51
And one of the things that we talked about, too, was when it comes to your health, it comes in steps. It doesn't happen all at once. You're not going to solve the problem tomorrow. But what you can do that's easy is you can take small steps in that direction to get yourself on track. So, for example, if you're feeling pain, if you have a pain in your back, if you have pain in your leg, whatever, go see the chiropractor.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:28:51 to 01:29:06
Right. That's one step. Just go see them, go talk to them. And maybe they say, hey, it would be really good if you were a little bit more mobile, like if you got around a little bit more. And so my suggestion is maybe walk every day or walk once a week.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:29:07 to 01:29:30
Just start, try to find a place to start walking and go walk. And then what happens, you only know this when you go through it, is that when you start doing those little things, that little, today I walked around the block one time. Tomorrow I walked around the block two times. The next day I decided I was going to stop drinking sodas. The next day or the next week I decided that I was going to skip lunch because I was eating too much anyway.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:29:31 to 01:29:46
And I want to do a little fasting or whatever the case may be. When you start those little pebbles of health improvements, it turns into snowballs and it becomes something that really can change your whole life. Yeah. Everything's interconnected and chain, as we discussed. Absolutely.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:29:46 to 01:29:59
Well, we are literally an hour and a half into this deal. And it went fast. Right. Tells you it goes quickly. Well, I want to let you get back to your family, so I do appreciate you coming in today and talking to me.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:29:59 to 01:30:08
And we'll definitely have to do it again because there's so many other rabbit holes we could go down, millions of. Things we could talk about. Yes. We did not hardly scratch the surface on this stuff. So I appreciate it.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:30:09 to 01:30:23
But before we go, and I'll take this out, too, so anybody can see it. Tell everybody where to find you, how to get in touch, all that kind of stuff, where your office is and all those. Dr. Zach Cameron, I'm a chiropractor and athletic trainer located in Waxahatchee. At body.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:30:26 to 01:30:33
We're in the area. Yeah. If you look us up, you'll find our website. We got a lot of helpful tools and things about what we provide in the office. Even if you're feeling good.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:30:34 to 01:30:43
Yes. And there's four of us doctors, so if you don't even see me. So we have three other great professionals that can get you feeling better. Awesome. All right, man.
Mike Mills (Host) | 01:30:43 to 01:30:54
Well, thank you so much for trekking out here to see me. All your I know you only got to go two minutes up the road to get home kind, but we'll do it again sometime, and I appreciate it, man. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thanks for having me.
Zac Cambron (Guest) | 01:30:55 to 01:30:55
Bye.