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Tonight on the Dudes and Dads podcast, we talk with our friend, Ryan, Ryan Wall, about

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fostering creativity within our kids.

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You're listening to the Dudes and Dads podcast, a show dedicated to helping men be their dudes

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and dads by building community through meaningful conversation and storytelling.

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And now, here are your hosts, Joel Damana and Andy Lager.

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Hello, Joel.

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Ryan Wall.

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How are you, Joel?

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Yeah, I'm great.

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I'm minus my hopefully temporary speech impediment.

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Yeah, everybody, good to have you back with us on the Dudes and Dads podcast.

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We're excited for another episode.

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As we embark on season six, we're four episodes in.

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And so far, the content has been above average, Andrew.

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I don't know why that Facebook is telling me that our content is blocked in Russia.

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You know what?

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Good, good.

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No one can watch the podcast in Russia.

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So there is that.

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Let's just take a moment for all of our Russian listeners out there.

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We're sorry.

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We're sorry.

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We we apologize, especially if you were using this podcast to get through whatever, whatever

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situation you have over there currently.

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I don't even know what I don't know what season it is in Russia.

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I don't know the hemisphere thing confuses me.

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I don't know, but apparently you can't watch our show, but you can't watch.

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So if you were like hunkered down in the in the dead cold of winter in Russia and our

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show was the only thing getting you by.

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I don't know who you have to blame.

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Probably some some cyber terrorists.

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I don't know.

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But we're sorry.

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Okay.

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Enough.

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Enough about Russia.

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Am I right?

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Right.

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Andy, please fill me in.

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What's what's been going on in your life?

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Anything fun?

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So we got through a watch that Notre Dame girls play tonight.

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Nice.

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And that was fun.

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They won.

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I was a little bit worried for a minute or two, but after half time they came back

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in.

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It was a close one.

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Yeah, I mean it was closer, but no, I have a little bit of a controversial take.

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And in a moment, I'll I'll ask our guest in on his thoughts on this because girls basketball,

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they've gone to quarters.

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They play in quarters.

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Not two 20 minute halves, whatever that's about.

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So you think that they should be everyone else has gone to quarters.

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NBA plays in quarters, but NCAA men's basketball still in half still in half.

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What is the deal?

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What is the deal?

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I just get let's get with it.

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Let's you know the NCAA is crumbling from the inside out anyway.

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I say why?

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That was the time to make changes if we can.

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So basketball game that sounds like a super good time.

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We attended a baseball scrimmage today because it's 70 degrees outside of the beginning of

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March, not for Aaron's team, but for the the play of the age division below him, but they

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invited people out and said, Hey, you want to come see a scrimmage?

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And so we're like, you know what?

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I can't get baseball soon enough.

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I was actually thinking about grilling today, but didn't have anything to grill by the time

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we got back.

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You know, it's so funny you say that because just I as birthday was officially today.

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Oh, today is the official day March 3rd.

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That were this is the day we're recording for those of you.

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I left the cat out of the bag in case you thought we were recording another day, you

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find out when we're actually recording here on March 3rd.

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But yeah, he's the big one three officially now.

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And what did he say?

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He goes, Hey, for my birthday, could we, could we do some grilling?

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And I said, Hey, I got some lovely marinated chicken ready to rock and roll for you.

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So we grew it was nice.

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It was nice and I didn't, I didn't have to wear a coat while it was out there.

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So yeah, thank you El Nino or whatever, whatever is going on that's 70 degrees out here in

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North Central Indiana.

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The beginning of March.

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Andy, do we have anybody that we would like to thank?

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We do.

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We would like to thank our Patreon supporters.

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You keep our lights on while we do have a corporate sponsor.

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We love you guys who are actually sponsoring this show.

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That's right.

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For us personally.

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And so join us at dudesanddadspodcast.com/patreon.

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Gosh guys, you know, here's, here's the, the quick of it.

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You really are what keep Andy and I going week to week, you know, sometimes we come

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into the studio thinking, does anybody even care?

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But then we look at the, the list of our Patreon supporters and we say, well, at least

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three people do.

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So join that, join that club, join the crew, get on board for as little as how much a month

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Andy?

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Little as $2.

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As $2 a month.

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You could support us.

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And you know, it's better than $2 a month.

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Andy.

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$100.

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$100 a month or anywhere in between.

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So thank you all for supporting us and consider supporting us today.

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Jump on the, jump on the bandwagon.

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The water's fine.

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Okay.

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Well, there we have it.

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Andy, I want to introduce our guest tonight.

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I'm excited about this.

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This guy's been in, we'll call him in the queue for a while.

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He has previously, and I understand, I was a little salty about it, but he's previously

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prioritized family obligations overcoming this studio.

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But finally, I found him on a Sunday evening when literally there was nothing more interesting

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to be done.

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And that's really the key when you're inviting guests on, you say, Hey, what is the most boring

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day in your schedule?

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When, when, when are there no other things that could possibly be interesting?

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That's when we have them come on the show.

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So, so now we, now we know, now we know why people really show up.

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But my friend Ryan wall, Ryan, welcome to the dudes and dads podcast.

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Thanks for coming on.

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No problem.

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Well, that's my bedtime.

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Yep.

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I figured as much you gotta, you gotta be there, be there at the shop early.

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So if, you know, I don't know, not really, not really.

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No, I've seen how you just lulli gag around.

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If you want this, well, just truth out of the bag, this guy will take a little bit more

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than an hour lunch.

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I'm just, I'm just, I'll say, I'll let you know.

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It's working.

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It's enough information.

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Sorry.

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No, he was, we were on official business to be clear, but so Andy, I've had a lot of opportunities

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in my life to, how shall I say, intersect with some gifted people, people of that are

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have all kinds of talents and abilities.

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I first met Ryan way, way back when as a sophomore in high school, Ryan was working at a design

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firm that I managed to get myself a job at and actually keep a job at for over eight years,

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which what high school student, do you know has an eight year job?

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Has an agent.

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Please.

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No, I stuck with this place where they stuck with eight years of high school.

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Hey, you know, they liked me so much.

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They asked me back, but Ryan and I worked together for a little while and then I'm trying to

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remember then, is that when you moved?

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Is that when you moved to Toronto?

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Is that when you left initially?

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2001.

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Ryan is an artist.

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He's a dude.

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He's a dad.

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He fits.

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He fits the show.

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All the criteria, all the criteria, but we just, I thought, I was like, man, I want to

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talk about the subject of fostering creativity in our kids, but then also it also inevitably

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is a conversation about like how we just, how someone discovers their own creativity and

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builds that and gains that and then like what lessons you kind of learn along the way.

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So first of all, Ryan, we always like to start with what we call the dad stats.

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So this is where you get to tell us about your family, about yourself, all the things

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that you feel safe to have out on the internet.

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This is, this is your chance.

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So your wife, your kid, what you do, what you have done, all the stuff.

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And long as you got.

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I've been married for quite a while now.

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That's the safety answer.

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Safe answer.

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As long as I can remember.

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That's good.

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My daughter, Megan, she's a freshman in high school.

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I lived in Toronto for 15 years and then moved back here.

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Been about six, six and a half years now that we've been back.

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So when you moved out to Toronto, what was the, what was the, cause let's just be clear.

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I mean, I'm suspicious of anybody that leaves this great country to move to Canada.

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So I just, I'm curious.

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It was, it was for school.

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I was intended to be animation as a career, kind of waited a little too long to do it.

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I'm trying to do the math.

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I'm like, how old, how old were you when you, when you ended up there?

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I mean, I originally, I wanted to do animation, like even as a career, like right out of college,

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but the colleges I'd went to, didn't offer it.

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And I ended up working up there and met my wife up there.

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So hey, there's a good, yeah, good move then.

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So that's my excuse.

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Every time I'd come down across the border and I'd show my passport and he's like the

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guards, you know, the U S border guards are like, what are you doing in Canada?

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So my excuse is I just pointed at her.

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That's good.

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That's fine.

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So I just, I wonder as a kid, you know, growing up here in, you know, small town rural, I

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mean, cause you grew up in the Middlebury area, right?

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This is Bristol, even worse.

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We've lost two of our Bristol listeners now too.

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I'm just checking people off.

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All of our Canadian listeners have left and now, but growing up in this area.

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And what I wonder for you is like, when did you first kind of realize, you know, because

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Andy, I know you haven't seen, but like Ryan, I mean, the work he does as an animator is

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really, really impressive.

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And obviously there's a journey that you've been on to get there and develop skills and

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all that.

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But when you were young, like when did you kind of first realize like, oh, I think I'm

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good at this or I have an interest in this?

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I always like to draw.

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I mean, I have a twin brother too.

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And we always dabbled in like, are you both like gifted that way?

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Sean's a good artist.

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I mean, he didn't really pursue it.

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So I don't think he doesn't draw.

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Gotcha.

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I mean, but if he, if he did draw it, it would probably be better than the average.

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The average friends.

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If you're like, hey, draw, you and I.

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So I mean, like, I mean, we, we draw just as kids.

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I mean, back then there's no phones, no video games, you know, it's either be outside playing

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baseball or be inside drawing or watching Grizzly Adams or something like Land of the

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Lost.

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Yeah, yeah, the classics.

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But yeah, I mean, I do art projects in school like kindergarten and like the teachers would

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go, oh, this is great.

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And blah, blah, blah, you know, and I was like, okay, you know, I mean, I really didn't really

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think too much about it back then, but then then teachers would have, have me draw something

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for like a fundraiser or something like that.

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And then when you started making money for them, the first thing I remember drawing for

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the school, like as I went to Jefferson Elementary and they had the spring fleeing.

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Oh yeah, I remember that.

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And they had me draw.

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I don't know if you guys remember this character Holly hobby.

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No, no.

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It's like this little girl that she's got like a bonnet and like it's kind of like a

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country, like almost like a little house on the prairie type character.

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And they had me draw this Holly hobby and they gave it to some lady and she stitched

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it on a quilt.

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Oh man.

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Auction or something.

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This is all very on brand for this area.

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How can we make this into a quilt?

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Right.

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Yeah, 100%.

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So yeah, I've got a probably got an old quilt like somewhere in somebody's probably.

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If you're listening out there, you've got a Holly hobby quilt hang up.

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Right.

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A lot of dust on it.

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Dust on it.

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I don't like to read like to reconvene with.

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No, no, no, apparently not.

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Okay, gotcha.

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I don't know.

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I don't know how it actually looks.

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But yeah, I mean, just stuff like that.

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I mean, I then I got into, I mean, I've always liked Disney.

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My parents took us down to Disney World back.

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I mean, as early as 74.

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We were like two years old.

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I mean, obviously I don't remember that.

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But but every every so many years, two, three years, we'd go down and.

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That would kind of I always like the Disney animated features like the classic stuff.

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And then I think that kind of got me more interested when you're down there and then

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you see the artist down there and then the Hollywood Studios.

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Well, MGM Studios back then actually had the animation studio.

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Okay.

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Down there and you could actually go through and see the process and I mean, that that's

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where I wanted to work when I got out of school.

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Unfortunately, taking my time to do it, they closed the studio down by then.

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Wow.

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So that yeah, like yeah, they closed down the studio in Paris, Orlando and and they actually

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had one in Canada as well.

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And then they just situated it in Burbank.

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So that was my only option there.

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But I mean, that was the goal.

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But I never I never made it down to sunny California.

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Yeah.

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But that's okay.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so at what point like when was the serious turn for you when you when you did

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say like, OK, I'm going to be I want to pursue art as as something significant.

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Probably high school.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I I wanted to be a pilot like at one point, like maybe be a fighter pilot in the

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military, but I'm colorblind.

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So they didn't want to shoot down our own planes.

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So I just want to be clear.

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So I don't know if I ever knew this about you actually.

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So as an artist, designer, all that you are your color, you're straight up colorblind.

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I think that's what kind of drew me into animation also is because an animator at the time when

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I before computers and everything.

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I mean, you're just drawn with a pencil and then there the whole there's a whole other

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department that that colors the drawings.

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And yeah, I didn't have to worry about color at all.

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So I mean, nice.

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That was perfect.

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Yeah, right.

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Right.

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Give me a pencil and yes, easy, easy, peasy.

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So yeah, like high school is probably when I really started focusing on getting into

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that career like animation side of art.

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I wasn't a wasn't big on painting, obviously, because of the colors and like fine art stuff

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was was was nice. But just just working in the entertainment industry, you know, doing

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like films or television like that just kind of piqued my interest.

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And yeah, I just started looking into stuff like that.

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I mean, what's the like, what's the avenue?

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And maybe this I'm sure this is changed.

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But what's the avenue now for your kid in high school?

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You're you're probably you know, hopefully hopefully you had your your teachers were

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like cheering you on and all of this and you know, kind of encouraging you what you were

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doing today.

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Today what is the like what's the avenue if if you're if you're like if your kid right

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now is like, oh, you got a real skill in drawing and animation or some sort of visual the visual

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arts or whatever.

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Where where do they go?

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Yeah, where do they go?

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Where do you steer them?

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Well, I think nowadays, I mean, I'm not quite sure about the schools around here.

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But there's a lot of kids can actually take some animation in high school.

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Yeah.

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Whereas back in my day, sound sound really old, but kind of am.

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But but yeah, like I think in high schools, I think offer more kids opportunities to to

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try different things like a little bit, especially because of the computer, the computer is huge

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now and right.

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And I know some kids locally that have gotten into animation like and they're going to

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school for animation now.

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And I think it's I think it's a little bit freer as far as kids that want to pursue it.

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It's a little easier to find places to go.

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And like back at the back then it was, you know, like I'd look in school and Cal arts

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or Columbus School of Art and Design, Sheridan up in Canada.

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Those are like the big some of the big schools in Disney would send send out lists of of

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schools that they prefer or they pick from usually that has their curriculum kind of

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their guidelines.

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Nowadays I mean, even there's online classes, animation mentor, a lot of these are taught

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by industry professionals.

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So you could just take classes, right, right in your own house.

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So with the technology piece, I'm wondering, would you say there's still value in getting

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the skill of pen, pen on paper?

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And is there something unique that's offered offered to you in that experience versus doing

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it all digitally or on a, you know, on a computer?

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Well, if you're good at good at drawing, there's all always a character design layout.

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I mean, I mean, you have to create the characters by hand first, and then it's transferred into

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the computer.

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For me, I started out doing hand drawn animation, like commercials, lucky charms, tricks, stuff

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like that in Chicago.

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And then I once I got married, I went back to Canada.

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And at that time it was all flash was the big software.

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Oh, right.

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Flash.

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Yeah.

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So I started out with Flash and now it's Adobe animate.

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Now it's pretty much the same software, but I basically taught myself flash because if

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I wanted to get jobs, I'd have to advance my skill set.

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So I kind of taught myself on the fly.

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My first job in Canada was on a show for National Geographic kids.

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And I remember still learning stuff about the software while I was actually working

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on the show.

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So I mean, kids these days, I think they know the computer so well.

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I feel like like a fossil.

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I have to ask my daughter a lot of times how to do things like, and she'll be like, dad,

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you idiot.

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Yeah, I guess I am.

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But yeah, like you just have to like, I mean, it's all the same creativity.

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It's just a different the media changes.

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And I hope it goes back to some more of the classical animation style.

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I mean, I think it's been so saturated with computer animation and it all kind of starts

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looking the same.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So I think if they if they bring out another hand drawn feature, I mean, it'll probably

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be wow.

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Yeah, it's really stand out.

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So I mean, there's always that hope.

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I mean, I'm always available for that if it ever happens for the record.

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But yeah, I mean, for me, I basically kind of found my niche in television.

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So I'd work I worked on some shows for PBS, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network, Disney, just

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the whole range.

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Name the name of the shows because I think some people will be interested in which in

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what you what you did.

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We're done a bunch of the total drama island shows.

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There's so many seasons of that.

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Like I can't can't remember how many and they're still actually going on to this day.

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Like they've rebooted it and it seemed like a really popular show for Cartoon Network.

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And I think that's why they kept like a survivor type show for kids.

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And then Arthur for PBS, Cat in the Hat knows a lot about that.

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Creative Galaxy for Amazon, Nature Cat for PBS kids.

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Nature and cats.

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That's that's a freaking killer.

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Oh, you like that?

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I love I love.

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That was my least favorite show.

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That's why why your least why your least favorite?

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Well, they used Harmony Animation software.

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And that was another one I didn't know.

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So I was learning on the fly.

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And that one is really it was almost I don't know if you guys know or to Maya the software.

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Like it's more 3D animation.

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Well, it was kind of the same way that it's set up like hierarchies and all this.

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It just it just seemed like really technical to me and it wasn't as organic.

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Sure.

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It wasn't as it wasn't as fun to animate on with that software.

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It felt less artsy for you.

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That's really what you what I'm hearing you say.

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You know, yeah.

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So yeah, I did that one and then yeah, Creative Galaxy for Amazon.

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That's the Blues Clues people.

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And that was a nice show.

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It was educational show.

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Did Welcome to the Wayne.

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It was on Nickelodeon, I think for just a season and then Unikitty for Cartoon Network

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and and Tom and Jerry, the Tom and Jerry show for Warner Brothers.

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And that was that was on Cartoon Network also.

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So so are these are you working for sort of separate?

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Like I don't know how it's like separate studios that are contracted to do the animation

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for these.

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Yeah.

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So a lot of the a lot of the studios in Canada are service studios.

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So like us, let's say Warner Brothers will farm out work to different studios to like

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so that could be two or three studios working on one series.

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Well, yeah.

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The good thing about Canada was the the dollar was was less.

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So so it wouldn't cost the studio as much kind of like when they shipped a lot of it

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overseas now because of that because of the cost.

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So yeah, like so I'd be working on this.

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This is kind of how I got back to the states.

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It was when I was on Tom and Jerry.

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I was working for a studio in Toronto on Tom and Jerry.

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And then I was like, you know what, I'm going to contact the studio in the states and see

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if I can just work for them.

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So being from the states, a US citizen, they said, oh, yeah, sure.

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So I just I just started working for them.

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And then so I was making US money and that's what kind of like led us back to Indiana.

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My wife, she's also an artist.

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She's an illustrator, graphic designer.

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She always wanted to open up her own store like a stationary shop.

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She designs her own greeting cards and stationary.

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And I said, you know, the perfect place to open one up if you want to start one is like

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small town like, you know, US, you know, Indiana, Goshen maybe.

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So so we move back down here.

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And I was comfortable with that because I could I could still work for studios from home

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remotely.

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Sure.

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Like out of from California.

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So we moved back here.

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And then the problem with then the problem I found out was, well, I'm a.

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Contracted animator.

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So since I'm not in studio, I have to be responsible for my own health insurance and stuff.

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Yeah.

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So then I got the that health care dot gov.

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And I was like, man, this isn't a very good deal.

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You know, one of the most depressing days.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, man, I need to get another job, you know, has benefits.

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So that led me into the RV industry, obviously around being around here.

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So that's my full time job now.

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I still do art, contracted artwork for companies like like Disney.

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I'm contracted with them.

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And then I have there's some other studios that I do contracted character art for.

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Yeah.

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And then I'll then I'll do animation occasionally too.

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It's been a while.

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I haven't reached out to any of them for a while, but I'm sure there's.

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Jobs available if I want them.

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It's just been I've been so busy lately that I've just kind of.

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I'll take things if if I want them and then pass on stuff.

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00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,840
So is this you like, you know, you're working your you're working your nine to five and then

494
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,840
you're slouched over in the basement somewhere doing your additional animation work at night.

495
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,160
Is that how that goes?

496
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:53,520
That happened a few times, which I think that's what kind of led me away from animation is

497
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,000
a full time thing.

498
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000
Like.

499
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Is I was trying to do a full time animation on top of my full time job.

500
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,720
Yikes.

501
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,960
And the problem is like the studios are out of California.

502
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,200
So I'm going, well, I'll have that delayed hours.

503
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,600
Like, you know, so like I can get home at four.

504
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,480
It's only like one o'clock there.

505
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,760
I can still talk to the directors and the producers and get what I need to get from

506
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,040
them and then then get to work.

507
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,720
But then after a while I'm going, and I'm tired.

508
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:25,760
Right, right.

509
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:36,480
So I think the job I enjoyed the most in animations that I moved back here was a revisionist position,

510
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:42,720
which is basically they'll send the animation overseas, let's say to the Philippines or

511
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,160
probably, I think it was the Philippines on Tom and Jerry.

512
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,920
And then they do the, the initial character animation there and then they'd send it back

513
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,760
to the States.

514
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,560
The animation director would make notes on it and give it to somebody like me.

515
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:04,760
And then I'd basically change it or clean it up and make it look like how it's supposed

516
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,720
to look or what they want to see for the final post.

517
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,760
And then I'd send it back to him and that, that was a lot less stress where I'm not having

518
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:20,240
to deal with like 20 seconds of animation a week and wondering when I'd have the time

519
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,680
to do it.

520
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:30,920
So stuff like that I still enjoy, but I just, I just prefer doing like just drawings now.

521
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:38,040
And that's, it's not as a repetition based, I guess, like animation.

522
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,200
And then drawing like Mickey Mouse and stuff like that's kind of fun.

523
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,200
Yeah.

524
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:52,240
So we talked, touched a little bit about it earlier about kids and you'd mentioned the

525
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:56,120
ability for them to get involved with their school, but what are some other ways that we

526
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,400
as parents can kind of encourage that?

527
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:05,800
If we see, you know, I know for me, my second son is very art driven.

528
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:11,080
What are some of the things that I can do to encourage him to keep doing that?

529
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:16,960
And maybe that as a career, maybe not, but continue to develop that creativity as he

530
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,960
goes along.

531
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:18,960
Yeah.

532
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:24,880
Like, I mean, there's, there's classes you can get involved in like outside of schools.

533
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:32,960
I know there's, I know Goshen used to have some art, some art workshops.

534
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,680
There's some in Elkhart too.

535
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,920
I did some of those as a kid.

536
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,720
Like my parents were really supportive of me wanting to be an artist.

537
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,800
And I'm the same with my daughter.

538
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,160
My daughter does performing arts.

539
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,120
Like she's really into theater, musical theater.

540
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,840
She does show choir in high school.

541
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:03,800
I just, if she wants to do something related to that or go to see a show somewhere like

542
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:11,120
a Broadway show, I kind of give her, you know, push her into like, you know, like, yeah,

543
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:19,280
let's go see that and just encourage her to like do do as much as she can, but not force

544
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,280
her to do stuff.

545
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Like, I know I was, I wanted my daughter to play sports, you know, like any dad.

546
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,840
I got her got her softball bat and got some tennis balls, got her in the backyard.

547
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,160
She was hitting the tennis balls.

548
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,080
And she's hitting those really good, you know, let's go to the batting cage.

549
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,080
So got her to the batting cage, got the real softballs.

550
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Like the first one she hit solid, she's like, oh, my hands hurt.

551
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,000
And I was like, no softball for us.

552
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:53,760
But she's, but she's, she's more artistic, not, not so much drawing wise.

553
00:31:53,760 --> 00:32:00,160
I mean, she, she used to draw a lot as a kid, but she, she picked up on dance.

554
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,480
She's really good dancer.

555
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400
And then the whole show choir singing.

556
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,400
She's, she's pretty advanced as far as her singing voice for age.

557
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:16,520
She's been taking voice lessons for quite a few years now.

558
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,560
And that's something that we support.

559
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Like, you know, if she wants to take lessons in something like acting or singing or even

560
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960
dancing, I mean, we're all 100%.

561
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,800
And that's the same with art too.

562
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:36,680
I mean, as a parent, you just got to support what your kid wants to do, but don't, you

563
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:42,440
know, push them into, see what they, what they're interested in, just kind of let them,

564
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,880
yeah, flourish, you know, like.

565
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:50,440
And I think too, that that maybe even seasons too, you know, where there may be a season

566
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:57,600
where your kid is really, is really into the arts and the creativity.

567
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,240
But then they may move on to doing something with sports.

568
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,680
And so yeah, I think that like, especially allowing them to explore.

569
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,480
Yeah, I mean, my daughter played soccer for a little bit.

570
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,960
And I don't think she was a big fan of soccer, but I remember the last year she played, she

571
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,800
goes, you know, dad, I don't know if I want to keep playing soccer, but we had already

572
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800
started the season.

573
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,120
I was like, you need, but you need to finish the season.

574
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,640
You know, I don't, I don't want you to quit, you know, just finish it out.

575
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,680
And then if you don't want to play it next year, you don't have to play it, you know.

576
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,480
And yeah, I mean, especially kids, younger kids, I mean, they're still trying to work

577
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,680
things out and figure, figure out what they want to do or what they're interested in.

578
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:45,680
So I just think as far as creativity goes, if they're interested in something as a parent,

579
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:52,400
like all you can do is just support them and give them all the, you know, the tools or the

580
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,680
assets that they need to like try it out.

581
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,680
Has the thought ever crossed your mind?

582
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,640
Because because this is, I think, particularly when we're talking about the arts, performing

583
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,360
arts, visual arts, whatever the case is.

584
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,960
So many parents are like, yeah, but what are you going to do for a job?

585
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,640
Like, what are you going to do?

586
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,120
Like even as amazing as Megan might be, I'm wondering if it's in the back of your guys'

587
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,120
mind.

588
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:25,440
Like, man, if there's a professional show choir out there for you to give your life

589
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,440
to great, however.

590
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,760
Oh, she wants to do Broadway.

591
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:30,760
Yeah, yeah.

592
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,920
But we'd aim high, Megan, by the way.

593
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,840
We'd, we'd, we'd not, we'd have to settle for the low cookies on the shelf.

594
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,240
No, no, we're going all the way.

595
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:39,240
Yeah.

596
00:34:39,240 --> 00:34:45,160
Well, she wants to do like, she wants to major in musical theater at this point.

597
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,160
I mean, she's a freshman.

598
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Sure.

599
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,080
She could change, but, but I've always told her, you know, if you're going to major in

600
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:56,680
something, maybe it would probably be good to minor in something else.

601
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,120
You know, always have a backup plan.

602
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,840
I mean, even as, as me as an artist, like an animator, like I was always trying to think

603
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,320
of something like if this, if something like the floor drops on the industry, you know,

604
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:11,320
and it does happen.

605
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,320
I mean, I know if AI takes over the whole thing, that's a big, that's a big problem right

606
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,320
now in the industry.

607
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,320
I mean, all of art right now.

608
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Yeah.

609
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:25,800
Um, like a lot of the studios in the States are shipping stuff overseas too.

610
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:31,880
So there's a lot of really good animators in California or in the U S that don't have,

611
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,120
that don't have any work anymore either.

612
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:41,960
So you always have to have a backup plan, but sometimes I, as long as she's, she's focused

613
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,280
on wanting to do something.

614
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,000
I mean, I'm going to give her all the opportunities I can for her to achieve what she wants to

615
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,360
do and her mom's the same way.

616
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440
I mean, we're totally supportive.

617
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,560
I mean, I'm her, I'm Megan chauffeur, I drive her.

618
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,520
I don't know how many miles a week to rehearsals.

619
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,160
This back and forth, picking her up from school doing, and then the show choir.

620
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,400
That's okay.

621
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,400
That's hardcore.

622
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:15,400
This is the part where if we have to ever edit anything out of the show, this is the

623
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,320
part of the wallet it out.

624
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,560
And, and I'm just going to, I'm just going to, I'm just going to say what I think about

625
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:21,560
show choir.

626
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,760
So for any of you that are big show choir fans and you are easily offended about criticism

627
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,760
towards your career.

628
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,760
Yeah.

629
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,520
Um, 30 seconds later, you can, you can come back.

630
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,040
Um, Ryan, uh, show choir is the bane of my existence.

631
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,280
And I don't even have any kids in a show choir.

632
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,240
Or was I ever personally in show?

633
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:44,240
So what affected, what, what made this, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

634
00:36:44,240 --> 00:36:45,640
Here's the, here's the deal.

635
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Uh, it takes more time and more energy and more resources than any sport or any other

636
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,880
extracurricular that like I feel like show choir, and I'll just say this is off the rails

637
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,000
in terms of boundaries for kids, particularly because a lot of their shows are far away.

638
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,920
They, they go into the early morning.

639
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,920
They're in, they're Saturdays.

640
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:05,920
They're not just fries.

641
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,920
They're Saturdays.

642
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,920
They're just Saturday.

643
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:09,360
I'm dropping her off at five in the morning.

644
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:10,360
Perfect.

645
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,360
Right.

646
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:12,360
When will she get done?

647
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:17,240
Uh, she'll probably roll back into the high school around three in the morning on Sunday

648
00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:18,240
morning.

649
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,480
Case and case and point.

650
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,000
So this is my other thing from a faith, just I'm just saying also from a faith perspective,

651
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,800
do you think you're, if Megan, do you think Megan is getting up on Sunday morning, like

652
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,760
man, can't wait to get to church?

653
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:30,760
No.

654
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,760
No, absolutely not.

655
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,760
That's not happening.

656
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,760
And I get, and I get why.

657
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,760
Uh, so this is my, this is my one.

658
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,640
Respiratory and yeah, exactly.

659
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,640
Yeah.

660
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,920
Pastor, um, bedside Baptist.

661
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:42,920
Yeah.

662
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Uh, that's, that's just my, that's my critique on the whole thing.

663
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:52,960
I, I, I think that's one area within the performing arts at the high school level that like,

664
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,960
and I'm, man, I'm thrilled for Megan that she's doing it.

665
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,200
I'm glad that she loves it.

666
00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,400
It develops a lot of discipline and a lot of really, really great things, but that would

667
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,120
be on a positive.

668
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:03,120
No, thank you.

669
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,120
The show.

670
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:11,280
On the positive note, the show choir season is very short.

671
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:12,720
So that happens.

672
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:18,480
Those, those Saturdays are probably only like four or five times for the whole year.

673
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,480
Okay.

674
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:26,920
I mean, practices start probably in, I want to say November though, but that's, they

675
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,400
have a class at the school for it too.

676
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:36,360
And then they practice at least two to three times after school, right after school.

677
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:42,280
So yeah, I'm just saying, just, just put it, I'm just putting it out there, but it's amazing.

678
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:43,960
You should go to a show choir.

679
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,920
Listen, I've, oh, we got on this.

680
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,200
See, I told you, it's really going to draw me any, any, you know, to go and meet your

681
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,200
demons.

682
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,200
Go to a competition.

683
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,200
Okay.

684
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,200
All right.

685
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,200
So Ryan, I will.

686
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:05,040
Just as a way of being supportive and not coming off like a complete jerk.

687
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,040
You let me know, I will attend.

688
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,400
You have a community's performance like coming up in like probably three weeks.

689
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:12,400
Perfect.

690
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,400
And it's on a Thursday night.

691
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,400
It's not even late.

692
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,400
Okay.

693
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,400
Best thing I think could be said for travel ball though.

694
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,400
Sure.

695
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,080
It could be your, you are, you are correct.

696
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:33,160
It could be, except for the fact that we, that's a different situation because you're

697
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,160
operating outside.

698
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,680
I didn't really mean to get sidetracked on this because, because it's academic.

699
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,680
That's what I'm saying.

700
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:47,440
It's, it's connected like, they have a grade attached to them, like them coming home early,

701
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,760
like three a.m. on a Sunday morning.

702
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,240
They're doing that in order to achieve a certain, and I guess you could say she could choose

703
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:55,240
not to be in show quiet.

704
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,240
That's her choice.

705
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:57,240
That's an elective.

706
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:58,920
We could go down the rabbit hole.

707
00:39:58,920 --> 00:39:59,920
It's fine.

708
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:00,920
I get it.

709
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:01,920
Show quiet.

710
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,920
It's great.

711
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:03,920
I think it's amazing.

712
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:04,920
What those kids do is absolutely amazing.

713
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:05,920
I'm really, really impressed by it.

714
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,960
I just, we're talking 100% thank you.

715
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,160
We should ask the old, you know, maybe that's actually, maybe that's really what the core

716
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,640
of it is that I, I, I, you're just bitter.

717
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,200
I am sour grapes.

718
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:17,200
That's fair enough.

719
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:22,960
I did, I did, I did try out for the, what was it, was the Northern Lights back in the

720
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
still, is it still the Northern Lights?

721
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,960
Cali.

722
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,200
There's Northern Lights and Star Lights.

723
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,480
One sounds a little more inappropriate than the other.

724
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,200
Star Lights is all girls.

725
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,200
Okay.

726
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,200
Gotcha.

727
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,200
And then the Northern Lights is the mix.

728
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,200
Gotcha.

729
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,200
So yeah, you would probably only qualify for the Northern Lights.

730
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,200
Thank you.

731
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200
Maybe that's why he's so bitter.

732
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:45,200
That's right.

733
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:46,200
Actually, I tried.

734
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,200
I was just a little bit bitter.

735
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,200
She's been,

736
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,200
you've had to have some sort of difficult conversation

737
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,200
about the choice,

738
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200
the direction that she was heading

739
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,200
or choices that she was making within

740
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200
that realm of performing arts.

741
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,200
Not yet so much.

742
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,200
I'm sure there's going to be some before long

743
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,200
because she's going to have to make decisions

744
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,200
on what she has time to do

745
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,200
because obviously you can only do so much.

746
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,200
You can only do so much to acquire

747
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,200
and then whatever.

748
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Well, she, yeah, she was,

749
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,200
she does a lot of theater outside of school.

750
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Sure.

751
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,200
She's also doing theater in school.

752
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,200
So last, last fall,

753
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,200
we kind of ran into some schedule conflicts

754
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,200
as she was in Wizard of Oz.

755
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,200
She was Dorothy.

756
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,200
She played Dorothy and Elkhart at the learner.

757
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,200
And then she was also doing some stuff at the school.

758
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Well, the con the schedules were kind of conflicting.

759
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,200
So she had to basically pick one or the other.

760
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,200
And which was good because that,

761
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,200
that kind of gave us the realization that, you know,

762
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200
during the school year,

763
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,200
maybe you shouldn't do theater outside.

764
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,200
Maybe you need to focus on either theater on the outside

765
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,200
or theater on in school.

766
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,200
And then maybe let's say if you do theater school theater

767
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,200
and do the outside theater in the summers,

768
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,200
pick a show in the summer you want to do.

769
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,200
That was the first time that ever kind of happened to us.

770
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Yeah.

771
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,200
And I mean, that'll probably happen again,

772
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,200
like with other things,

773
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,200
because as she gets older,

774
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,200
she's going to be wanting to do more things with her friends

775
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200
or work.

776
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,200
But she's always going to have to make time for this stuff.

777
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,200
You know, she wants to pursue.

778
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,200
I mean, I think she's really good with school.

779
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,200
She's she's she gets all A's in school as these as performing arts

780
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,200
kids do, by the way, like this is a this is a thing we talk about

781
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,200
a lot in music with my with my kids.

782
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:20,200
They are better students because they have to develop

783
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:21,200
all these other skills.

784
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,200
Like being in the performing arts, the thing that you because

785
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,200
you're talking about right now, schedule, time management,

786
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200
things like things like that.

787
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,200
You know that you have some amount of time to get this school

788
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,200
work done or make these priorities like that.

789
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Shaping that skill early, obviously way better than doing it

790
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,200
later like I did when I was like, you know, like, oh, I kind of

791
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,200
like I kind of learned when I was like 35.

792
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,200
Right.

793
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200
When my boss said I actually have to be working on time.

794
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200
Real bummer when he forced me to say that you want this job.

795
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,200
No, but my daughter,

796
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:57,200
Jasmine and I don't have to tell her to do homework or anything.

797
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,200
You know, and I was thinking to myself, where did she get this

798
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,200
from?

799
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:01,200
It wasn't from me.

800
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,200
I was like, that was like that was the exact opposite.

801
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,200
I was in school.

802
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,200
I wasn't even in the show choir.

803
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,200
Didn't any of that stuff?

804
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,200
Yeah.

805
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,200
I was like a procrastinator.

806
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,200
I think that's what they call it.

807
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:12,200
I think so.

808
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,200
I think Megan, Megan is a procrastinator when it comes

809
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,200
to certain things, but.

810
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:21,200
She always ends up getting it always gets done like and then

811
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,200
even her theater stuff.

812
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,200
And this is this is maybe the creativity side of her personality

813
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:33,200
is I we never see her practice for theater.

814
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,200
She goes to she goes to practice rehearsals and then she comes

815
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200
home and like she doesn't.

816
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,200
I mean, she must rehearse on her own time and everything.

817
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,200
And then we go to the shows and then she like knocks out of

818
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:46,200
the show.

819
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,200
I'm like, holy cow.

820
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:48,200
Yeah.

821
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:49,200
It's like so.

822
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,200
Also another thing like we're talking about as parents, you

823
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,200
know, you want to foster your kids creativity or anything they

824
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,200
they do like sports, theater, music.

825
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,200
Me personally, I almost feel that.

826
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,200
You have a talent for a reason, you know, like God given talent

827
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:17,200
so to speak and you almost need to try to utilize it even in

828
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,200
some capacity.

829
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,200
I mean, if you don't want, let's say somebody's really good at

830
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,200
something, but they don't, you know, I don't want to do that as

831
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,200
a career.

832
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,200
I was like, I almost feel like.

833
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,200
There's a reason why you have that skill, you know, so.

834
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:35,200
Try to use it for something, you know, at least try for, you

835
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,200
know, to see how that you have a stewardship responsibility of

836
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,200
some sort.

837
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,200
Yeah.

838
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,200
So I'll never not.

839
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,200
Draw or do our, you know, I mean, I'll draw stuff for people

840
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,200
just.

841
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,200
Right.

842
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,200
If they ask me to, you know, that's good.

843
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,200
Because I got, I got to think that Ryan's going to draw for

844
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,200
a draw for us.

845
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,200
I already got a project for him.

846
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,200
So that's good.

847
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

848
00:45:58,200 --> 00:45:59,200
It's been great.

849
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,200
It's really great for that, that drink there, liquid.

850
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,200
That's right.

852
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,200
No, hand design, but you, but you feel like.

853
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:11,200
Yeah, that's been given to them for for a reason, any of us

854
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:12,200
before a reason.

855
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,200
And I think sometimes it's a, but it's a, it's a mature perspective

856
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,200
and more of an adult perspective to understand that our kids often

857
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,200
don't think that way.

858
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,200
Right.

859
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,200
You know, like we, and we, I think it's a really interesting

860
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,200
thing to say to your child.

861
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,200
Hey, I think that God gave you this for a reason.

862
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,200
And I think it's the responsible and faithful thing to do is to

863
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,200
is to pursue this to some level that you gain, that you gain clarity

864
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,200
or appreciation for it.

865
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,200
Right.

866
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,200
Whatever, whatever that, whatever that is.

867
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:47,200
And me, when I did animation, the people go, Oh, do you, you

868
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,200
watch animation on TV?

869
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,200
Oh, this is my favorite show.

870
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,200
And I'm like, not really.

871
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,200
Yeah.

872
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,200
I mean, I don't really watch the stuff.

873
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,200
I mean, I'll watch it when my daughter would watch it.

874
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,200
Um, but I'd have so many people.

875
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,200
I actually had a kid write me back in the day and say how, how

876
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,200
great he loved the show that I worked on and he wanted to be an

877
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,200
animator when he grows up and all this stuff.

878
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,200
And I was like, yeah, that's kind of cool.

879
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,200
Yeah.

880
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,200
And I think I got more satisfaction out of knowing that people

881
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,200
enjoy the stuff that I do.

882
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Right.

883
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:27,200
Not necessarily me doing the work, but the end product.

884
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:28,200
Sure.

885
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,200
When, when, oh, my kid loves that show and, oh, we love Arthur.

886
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,200
We will watch that show forever and this and that.

887
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,200
And I'm like, you know, that's, that's worth more than anything

888
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,200
to me.

889
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,200
And I mean, I think that's being, being an entertainment

890
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,200
industry on some, you know, spectrum, I guess.

891
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,200
I mean, I'm not like an actor that's on TV or anything.

892
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,200
I mean, most people want to know that I worked on any of this

893
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,200
stuff unless they stuck around and watched the end credits zip

894
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,200
by a second.

895
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,200
But just, just knowing that people enjoy the stuff you do,

896
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:10,200
like, I mean, that's, that's the most rewarding thing about

897
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,200
being in the creative arts, right?

898
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Like theater, music, whatever, you know, like, I think, I think

899
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,200
that's what my daughter enjoys too is people saying how much

900
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,200
they enjoyed watching her on stage.

901
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,200
And, and I think that's, that kind of pushes her and drives her

902
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,200
to do that stuff too.

903
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,200
And I think anything a parent can do to you about, you know,

904
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,200
positive reinforcement, you know, that helps out driving them

905
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:42,200
forward as well.

906
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,200
So.

907
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,200
And also to remember that our kids and their adolescents,

908
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:51,200
they don't always know how to say thanks for the encouragement.

909
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,200
Well, you know, another thing, I was just thinking that the other

910
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,200
night about all the trips you make with your taking your kids

911
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,200
back and forth.

912
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,200
I mean, I just feel like a chauffeur is like, oh, we'll be out

913
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,200
in 15 minutes.

914
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,200
And then an hour later they pop, they just come moseying out

915
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,200
and I'm like, oh, you're right here.

916
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:16,200
I feel like I'm like, I need a hat, you know, like a chauffeur.

917
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,200
But they'll get it eventually.

918
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,200
If not, like five years from now, it's when they become parents

919
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,200
and they're doing the same thing to their kids.

920
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,200
I'll be like, wow, my parents did this to me and I didn't even

921
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,200
realize how much they did.

922
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,200
Yeah.

923
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,200
But I, Megan's pretty appreciative of she'll she'll thank us

924
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,200
for stuff.

925
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:42,200
And I mean, not all the time, you know, some, some times, but I,

926
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:47,200
I just think we as parents, that's our responsibility anyway,

927
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:52,200
you know, to, to, to have our kids have the best life they can.

928
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,200
And the most opportunities to do or pursue whatever they want to

929
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,200
do and become successful.

930
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,200
And when they become adults, you know, that's all we can do for them.

931
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,200
And hopefully they make the right choices.

932
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:12,200
And of all the, of all the things that Megan has done or is doing,

933
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:16,200
what would you say, what, what are you most proud of her for?

934
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:23,200
When she cleans her room without us.

935
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,200
Um, I don't know.

936
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:32,200
I mean, she amazes us like all the time, just with the things she does.

937
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:38,200
Like when she sings, like, it's like, why, where'd she get that?

938
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,200
She didn't get it from me, you know, it's, then you know, there's,

939
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:47,200
it's a gift and people would come up and go, yeah, Megan just,

940
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:54,200
she's just so good for age and she's, she's actually an eight age.

941
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,200
Why she should be only in eighth grade.

942
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,200
Like in Canada, they start to start out a year early.

943
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Okay.

944
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:04,200
So when we move back here, we're like, should she go back into second or third grade?

945
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,200
Second grade or should she be in third grade?

946
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,200
So they tested her and said, no, she should be in third.

947
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:15,200
So yeah, she's, um, she's a year younger than all the kids in her grade,

948
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
you know, so, and she's keeping up with them.

949
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,200
That's something she's ahead of, ahead of them in some way.

950
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:29,200
So that's, that I think that's what makes me kind of proud is knowing that

951
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:35,200
she's not letting that, sure, hold her back, like knowing that she's younger.

952
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,200
She's, I don't think she even thinks about it anymore.

953
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:41,200
She just pushes ahead and I think she like thrives.

954
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,200
So, yeah.

955
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,200
So I mean, there's not really one thing that stands out.

956
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:55,200
I mean, everything she does is I'm, I'm proud of her for doing it and sticking with it too.

957
00:51:55,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Yeah, I think the, the follow through that's required, um, especially if you're,

958
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,200
if there's a production involved or something like that, like the, the initial investment,

959
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,200
the practice, the rehearsal, you know, those, those things in folks that are

960
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,200
over listening, like we don't often think about, I think sometimes we,

961
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:20,200
it's easy to think about the performing arts as being this extraneous, extraneous extra.

962
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,200
Oh, it's like, oh, it's pleasant and it's nice, but you know,

963
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,200
we've got also got the real world out there to live in.

964
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,200
The real world demands a level of, a level of discipline and a level of fall,

965
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,200
a level of follow through.

966
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,200
And quite honestly, right now we have a, there's a portion of our workforce that,

967
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:41,200
that is, you know, and Ryan, use the sales manager know this, right?

968
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:47,200
Like there's a portion of our work and I won't even, I won't even name, but there's a portion

969
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,200
of the workforce that really struggles in that area.

970
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,200
This idea of, um, there are timelines.

971
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:59,200
There are, uh, there's a beginning, a middle and an end and a finish line that you need to cross on this,

972
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:00,200
on this thing.

973
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:07,200
Um, our performing art, performing arts kids get that, um, in terms of there are the initial rehearsals.

974
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,200
It starts off rough.

975
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,200
You have to keep on working through.

976
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:15,200
You have to do the practice, put in the time and then quite honestly, like I think about my kids,

977
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:21,200
like their concerts, they do a concert after months of practice.

978
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,200
And it's the payoff is so small compared to the work up to it.

979
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:26,200
Yeah.

980
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:34,200
And it can feel, it can feel that at the same time it's like that sort of work and that sort of labor is,

981
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,200
uh, is formative.

982
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,200
It's, it's, it develops something in our young people.

983
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:44,200
And I think you guys have, you guys have seen that and are understanding that with, with Megan,

984
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,200
that she's doing what she's doing.

985
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:52,200
So, and Megan, congratulations that you got to be, uh, just this unwilling, probably this unwilling star of this, this, this episode.

986
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,200
I hope you've, I hope you haven't warned her at all whatsoever.

987
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,200
You had an idea.

988
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,200
So maybe just keep this from her and then just like share it with her at some point.

989
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:00,200
I mean, guess what?

990
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,200
We just talked about you for 20 years from now.

991
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Yeah.

992
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,200
We talked a bunch on this random, on the strength show.

993
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,200
So, uh, Ryan, thank you for sharing all that.

994
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,200
Yeah.

995
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:18,200
We, uh, that's just, it's really interesting, I think, to think about, um, you know, our, you know, some of our kids, they might,

996
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,200
they'll be like, you know, I've got one kid.

997
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,200
I'm like, yeah, he's probably going to be like, he's very mechanically minded.

998
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,200
He's probably going to be an engineer or, or technician of some sort or whatever.

999
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:30,200
And there's kind of like a clear path for that.

1000
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:38,200
And I got, you know, another kid who's, you know, interested in this, that, you know, we all have those kinds of, that's where it's a clear,

1001
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,200
the path for them in the future seems a little more clear.

1002
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:46,200
Sometimes the performing arts, we feel like it's, oh, it's like a little bit of a, it's like a broad.

1003
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:47,200
Yeah.

1004
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,200
But I also think is, is a creative person.

1005
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:57,200
Let's say theater performing doesn't work out all the time, but there's always other avenues.

1006
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:10,200
You can teach dance, you can teach voice, you know, you can be involved in like a theater, like board on a board for a theater, you know, just, you can,

1007
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:17,200
there's other avenues of the arts that you can stay involved in when you're not doing your particular.

1008
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:21,200
I had a, I had a young lady apply for a job with the agency that I worked for,

1009
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:30,200
and she was a professional ballerina and she had hit her mid twenties and was like aging out of the ballerina game or whatever.

1010
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:38,200
But I looked at her resume and I, and like talking to her on the phone, she was like one of the most well, like for a 25 year old,

1011
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,200
like the most well, like articulate, well put together person.

1012
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,200
And it was clear that her, her fine arts and performing arts experience had all led to that too.

1013
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,200
Like there was, there were deliverable skills, you know, on the other side of it.

1014
00:55:52,200 --> 00:56:01,200
I also think too, now like kids these days with all the technology they have, I was telling Megan, I was like,

1015
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:09,200
if you want to be a performer, you might want to like look into other things like, you know, how you have to have an agent,

1016
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:13,200
you know, to book you, sure, auditions and this and that.

1017
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:19,200
But I mean, you can learn to be your own, you know, like, and that helps on the business side of it.

1018
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:26,200
So then you pick up your business and your people skills, your art to be articulate like she probably was.

1019
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:38,200
So yeah, being just the creative arts, you can actually pick up other things to help you out with your creative art.

1020
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:46,200
And then that's what I think I'm, that's what I want to really try to push Megan a little bit, just not on that side,

1021
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:57,200
but on other aspects of it, which would help her down the road to, let's say she wanted to get into business or some other careers to fall back on later on.

1022
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:05,200
And then she has those skills as well, you know, we just, we just had this experience where we're down in Tucson with Aaron for the showcase that he was at.

1023
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:13,200
And you know, these coaches are saying, listen, you need to be learning how to advocate for yourself, how to talk to old, to adults, coaches,

1024
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,200
to be able to come across as a person that they want on your team.

1025
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,200
Because they'll interview you.

1026
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,200
They absolutely, absolutely will.

1027
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:27,200
And they have, there's somebody waiting in line behind you that is ready and willing to take whatever spot or whatever opportunity that you're looking for.

1028
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200
And that's very much the case.

1029
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:31,200
I mean, very competitive.

1030
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,200
Same with sports and same with like the arts.

1031
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Right.

1032
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:42,200
You don't want to get complacent because I tell people, I know I worked with people that were way better than I was.

1033
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:51,200
But I liked working with those people because those people kind of drove you, but then they also made you better by you picked up on stuff that they do.

1034
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:56,200
They can help you become better, but they also push you to be as good as them.

1035
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,200
Right.

1036
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:58,200
And I've told this to Megan too.

1037
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,200
I'm like, it doesn't matter how good you get at something.

1038
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,200
There's always going to be somebody better than you always.

1039
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,200
So you always, you always need to strive past where you are.

1040
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,200
And that goes with everything in life, you know?

1041
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:19,200
I mean, if you get complacent, you tend to fall behind or you get lost in the mix.

1042
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,200
So to speak.

1043
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,200
So, yeah, no, that's good.

1044
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:23,200
That's good.

1045
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:31,200
Well, hey, we obviously can't let any guests go before now it's time for dudes and dads pop quiz.

1046
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,200
Absolutely.

1047
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:36,200
This is an, yeah, yeah, that's Joel about 10 years ago.

1048
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,200
That's Aaron like two or three years ago.

1049
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,200
He's probably pretty puberty.

1050
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,200
He'd probably be super embarrassed to hear that now.

1051
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:47,200
This is where get to ask a bunch of random questions to Ryan.

1052
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,200
You can't prepare for them.

1053
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,200
This is helps just us get to know like the deeper level of everybody.

1054
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,200
I'm out of here.

1055
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,200
Yeah, right.

1056
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,200
Right.

1057
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,200
Everyone's passed and no one has hated this yet.

1058
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,200
So they have told to our first time for everything.

1059
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,200
There is.

1060
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:03,200
There sure is.

1061
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:04,200
So do you want to?

1062
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,200
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1063
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,200
This is when we've asked before to other guests, but I like it because it reveals something about you.

1064
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:17,200
If you had to delete all but three apps from your smartphone, which ones would you keep?

1065
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Royal match.

1066
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,200
My wife would hate.

1067
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,200
If I kept that, she's you're always on that.

1068
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,200
Another one I'd keep.

1069
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,200
My probably just my email and my my instant messenger.

1070
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,200
Yeah, that's fair.

1071
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,200
Easy enough.

1072
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:38,200
I'm a simple guy.

1073
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,200
You know what?

1074
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,200
That's what we as a royal match is on there.

1075
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,200
I think that's what it's called.

1076
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Yeah.

1077
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:45,200
Not a sponsor.

1078
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:46,200
Yeah.

1079
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:50,200
It could be Ryan of all the characters that you have.

1080
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,200
Drawn in your career.

1081
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:54,200
What's the favorite?

1082
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,200
I like Donald Duck.

1083
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:57,200
Yep.

1084
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,200
It kind of gets a bad rap.

1085
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,200
He doesn't get enough, you know, of the spotlight.

1086
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:04,200
That's right.

1087
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,200
Yeah.

1088
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:07,200
Mickey always takes it from him.

1089
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,200
He's always been my favorite as far as animated characters.

1090
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,200
I probably have to say.

1091
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:14,200
I like Arthur.

1092
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,200
I like that whole series.

1093
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,200
I'm big on the education.

1094
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,200
I'll show you the series.

1095
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:24,200
I'm big on the educational shows that have like a lesson at the

1096
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,200
end of each episode.

1097
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,200
The younger kids stuff.

1098
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,200
It kind of like helps mold kids a little bit.

1099
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,200
Love it.

1100
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,200
Yeah.

1101
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:36,200
You what are you most excited about right now?

1102
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,200
March Madness.

1103
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,200
Yeah, buddy.

1104
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Yeah, buddy.

1105
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,200
I mean, who are we shooting for?

1106
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,200
I'd say Notre Dame.

1107
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,200
Yeah.

1108
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,200
I can't say IU either.

1109
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,200
I'd like to see Purdue win.

1110
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,200
Yeah.

1111
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:58,200
If they can make it past the first or second round, I think they'll be fine.

1112
01:00:58,200 --> 01:00:59,200
Interesting.

1113
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,200
Yeah.

1114
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,200
Good.

1115
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,200
Okay.

1116
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,200
Next question.

1117
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:07,200
How quickly can you do a rough sketch of Arthur if you were given like seconds?

1118
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Oh, man.

1119
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Arthur's easy.

1120
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,200
Okay.

1121
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:11,200
Here we go.

1122
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:12,200
This is the visual part.

1123
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,200
So we're going to see Ryan.

1124
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,200
Do we have a camera on him right now?

1125
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,200
I gave him the crowd.

1126
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:19,200
I thought I was a good pen.

1127
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:20,200
I gave him a crappy pen.

1128
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,200
Nice.

1129
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,200
Okay.

1130
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,200
Seeing it come together.

1131
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:29,200
Kind of kind of mad, but this is the darker.

1132
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,200
Nice.

1133
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,200
Okay.

1134
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,200
You got to do your signature at the bottom too.

1135
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,200
I'll draw you Mickey instead.

1136
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,200
Okay.

1137
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:36,200
He's going to do Mickey instead.

1138
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,200
All right.

1139
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,200
Great.

1140
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,200
He doesn't want to just put his name, his signature on just in the old thing.

1141
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,200
Circle.

1142
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:47,200
What Ryan is really, what Ryan is really showing us is that any moron can drop.

1143
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:50,200
It's just a serious, serious of circles.

1144
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:52,200
You gave him the crappy pen.

1145
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,200
I thought I'd give him a good pen.

1146
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,200
Come on, Joel.

1147
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,200
He's out of ink already.

1148
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,200
The question is how fast can you do it without a ink?

1149
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:02,200
Yeah.

1150
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,200
We'll really see.

1151
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:06,200
We'll really see what he brings to do.

1152
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:07,200
Okay.

1153
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,200
Here we go.

1154
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,200
Well, it looks like that markers running out of ink too.

1155
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Yeah.

1156
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,200
This is what we like to keep everything from clearly our office supplies.

1157
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:15,200
Here.

1158
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,200
This is what I need more patriots.

1159
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:19,200
Yeah.

1160
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,200
That's right.

1161
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,200
Thank you for only $2 a month.

1162
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,200
You can help us get pens in this office that actually work.

1163
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:26,200
There we go.

1164
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:27,200
There we go.

1165
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,200
Little rough, but.

1166
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:31,200
But hey.

1167
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,200
See kids, it's not that it's not that it's not that hard.

1168
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,200
It's totally, it's totally doable.

1169
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:40,200
I'm sure at the bottom you got us, you got us, you got to officially sign it.

1170
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,200
That way we, that way.

1171
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:43,200
Perfect.

1172
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:44,200
Yeah.

1173
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:45,200
Perfect.

1174
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,200
Beautiful.

1175
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,200
Okay.

1176
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:48,200
Guys.

1177
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:50,200
Andy, do you have one more question?

1178
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:51,200
No, I'm done.

1179
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,200
Okay.

1180
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:53,200
Fantastic.

1181
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,200
Congratulations.

1182
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,200
He's, he literally illustrated his way through the pop quiz, which is a first.

1183
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:59,200
This is a first.

1184
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:00,200
So congratulations.

1185
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:01,200
He passed with flying colors.

1186
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,200
Well done.

1187
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,200
Thank you guys.

1188
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,200
Yes.

1189
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,200
Ryan, thanks for coming.

1190
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:07,200
Hang out with us.

1191
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:08,200
Appreciate it.

1192
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,200
Thanks guys.

1193
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,200
It was fun.

1194
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,200
Yeah.

1195
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Well, we, we try.

1196
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,200
I don't have a voice for podcasting like you guys, but she got a face for one.

1197
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,200
And that's, yeah, that's what I've been told.

1198
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,200
That's why I was an Anna.

1199
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:21,200
There we go.

1200
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,200
Hey, as always guys, you can head over to dudes and dads podcast.

1201
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:30,200
And check on the show notes and previous episodes.

1202
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:31,200
We've never had voicemail.

1203
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,200
Well, no, we have, but not lately.

1204
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:41,200
So you can leave us a voicemail at 574 213 8702 dudes and dads podcast at gmail.com is a great

1205
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,200
place to send emails to us, which we then read.

1206
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:49,200
And if you send us emails that have ideas for future shows, that's even better.

1207
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,200
So go ahead, go ahead and give us the ideas.

1208
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,200
Or maybe you've got, maybe you've got a question for one of our guests that you'd like us to

1209
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:57,200
pass along.

1210
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,200
We would love to do that.

1211
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,200
Always love to do that.

1212
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,160
Connect to you with people who know stuff.

1213
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,160
So hey guys, thanks.

1214
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,160
And we've run out of the music.

1215
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:06,160
Fantastic.

1216
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,160
Guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us again.

1217
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,160
And as always, we wish you grace and peace.

1218
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:10,660
Peace.