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Speaker ABe warned, it's Luanna.
Speaker AAnd this podcast contains honest upfront opinions, rants, bants, and general explicit content.
Speaker ABut you know you love it.
Speaker BGood.
Speaker BAnd targgan.
Speaker AGuten tag.
Speaker AAnd I was gonna sing a little song.
Speaker AWhat's a little Christmas song we could sing today?
Speaker BBig bad Barry is back on my top.
Speaker BHis Big bad Barry balls are flapping in the wind.
Speaker BI mean, it's not the best.
Speaker ANot the most Christmassy of songs.
Speaker BI'm wearing.
Speaker AMerry Christmas.
Speaker AMerry Christmas.
Speaker AMerry Christmas, everybody.
Speaker AMerry Christmas.
Speaker BImages say that it's.
Speaker BWe have already had Luana in December, right?
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BThis is the eighth.
Speaker AYeah, absolutely.
Speaker ABut we are.
Speaker AWe are.
Speaker ABarry's come out, imo.
Speaker AHow are you, my angel?
Speaker CGood.
Speaker AAre you feeling in the festive spirit?
Speaker ASo festive.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ATrees gone up as all the trees are up.
Speaker AIt's.
Speaker ADo you know what?
Speaker AThe tree.
Speaker AThe tree shopping was actually really painless this year, by the way.
Speaker AHi, everyone.
Speaker AIt's still one of the podcasts.
Speaker AAll that guff.
Speaker AWe're very much into Advent.
Speaker AWe went to the Christmas tree farm, which is a little family tradition, and we.
Speaker BI don't like real trees.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AHow are we friends?
Speaker AYou.
Speaker AThe sensory overload of the pine trees and the.
Speaker AThe little guff that comes with the trees.
Speaker AI mean, for me, it's the sensory.
Speaker AI've come.
Speaker AI've come to realize I'm a very kinesthetic person.
Speaker AI need the.
Speaker AThe smells and the.
Speaker AAnd the feels and everything else.
Speaker BCan I just say something?
Speaker CYou can.
Speaker BTalking about that.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker ABecause it's a podcast just going off.
Speaker BSo our reco seco and emo record All Her Fault, which is on.
Speaker BWhat is it on sky or now.
Speaker AOh, yeah.
Speaker BSo anyway, it was amazing.
Speaker BI binge watched it in two days.
Speaker BVery good.
Speaker BBut do you know what I realized?
Speaker BSo part of it is about how they, like, like, can taste colors and can, like.
Speaker BLike hair colors and stuff.
Speaker AAll right.
Speaker CSynesthesia.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd I just realized that I think I've got that and that nobody else does that.
Speaker BAnd that's not normal.
Speaker BWell, like, I've never realized that before.
Speaker AWhat, you taste colors and stuff.
Speaker BYeah, yeah.
Speaker BSo, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker AIt's not.
Speaker AI don't think that's weird.
Speaker AI think that's.
Speaker BI think I just thought everybody did that.
Speaker BAnd then so I was like, that's weird.
Speaker BNot everybody does that.
Speaker BSo I started googling it.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd quite a lot of people have it.
Speaker BQuite a lot of things.
Speaker BSingers and, like, famous people.
Speaker BHave it.
Speaker ASo I. I love that.
Speaker AI don't know if I taste colors or anything like that, but I'm really into the feet.
Speaker ALike, for me, the.
Speaker AThe senses.
Speaker AIt just.
Speaker AIt gives everything to me and I absolutely love it.
Speaker AAnd hence the Christmas tree farm.
Speaker AIt's like.
Speaker AFor me, it's the ceremony.
Speaker AThat's why I love the Christmas.
Speaker AYou know me, I'm a stickler for tradition and ceremony.
Speaker AOh, I love it, Lou.
Speaker AOh, I love being a nana.
Speaker AI've entered my official nana phase, honestly.
Speaker ABut I love it.
Speaker AI'm sitting around.
Speaker BJumper.
Speaker BI like that jumper.
Speaker BThat's really nice.
Speaker AThank you both.
Speaker ABut we, We.
Speaker AWe.
Speaker AWe ended up.
Speaker ANo, no family argument, though.
Speaker AWe literally got to the Christmas tree.
Speaker BThe kids are older.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ABig Al was in the.
Speaker AHe takes the second car.
Speaker ABecause I don't want to have that in my car.
Speaker AYeah, two cars.
Speaker BVery, very fun.
Speaker BLet Rachel read.
Speaker AI was gonna say, someone's gonna be clobbering me for that one extra 2%.
Speaker AIs it Rachel from accounts?
Speaker AOh, topical.
Speaker ALet's stop.
Speaker ALet's not bring the vibe down on the pod today.
Speaker ABut we got there and the kids.
Speaker AAnd I'd got in first, bowled on in.
Speaker AAnd you know what?
Speaker AI love my kids.
Speaker AObviously, I love my kids, but I love my kids because I think there's a little bit of you and me in those kids, you know, like.
Speaker ANo, about the kids saw the tree.
Speaker AWe were going to get an absolute Bobby Dazzler.
Speaker AEight footer.
Speaker AAbsolute belter.
Speaker AIt was symmetrical.
Speaker BHow fat your tree?
Speaker BI saw it on the gram.
Speaker BI thought, that's a fat tree.
Speaker AQuite fat.
Speaker AIt's quite fat.
Speaker ABut the kids saw it.
Speaker AI saw it.
Speaker AWe all saw it at the same time.
Speaker AAnd the kids went, that's the trail.
Speaker AWhen.
Speaker AThat's the goddamn tree.
Speaker ASo we stood by the tree.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABecause the.
Speaker AChris, you.
Speaker ADo you ever do Christmas tree?
Speaker BI've never bought a real Christmas tree.
Speaker BSo are they all out and fluffy and then you choose your one and then they put it in its little net.
Speaker AYeah, exactly.
Speaker ASo it's a little smorgasbord of festive trees.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AAnd it's actually my friend that runs the Christmas tree farm there.
Speaker AI'd like to think I get preferential treatment.
Speaker AI. I don't.
Speaker ABut anyway, we got there.
Speaker AKiss.
Speaker AStood there.
Speaker AIt's like a bum fight, Lou, because someone else.
Speaker AThere's a lot of good trees.
Speaker ASo then two other families came past our tree.
Speaker AAnd you could see.
Speaker AAnd I was busy talking to the man going, could you get A man please to come and take it off.
Speaker BYou're gonna lose my.
Speaker AYou're gonna lose your tree, my boy.
Speaker BStand by it.
Speaker AElbows out, fully out.
Speaker AAnd he went, but I always teach him to be polite.
Speaker AI went, excuse me, actually, but this is the tree that we would like to have.
Speaker AOh, I know.
Speaker ASo the other family went, oh, okay, we'll find another tree.
Speaker AHe went, yes, please.
Speaker AAnd he stood there and he had his little brolly out, and he held the brolly out as well.
Speaker AAnd he's like, mummy, I'm guarding the tree.
Speaker ASo then Alex rocks up and went, don't you even dare think about walking around this Christmas tree farm to go find another tree.
Speaker AWe're getting the goddamn tree anyway.
Speaker BIt was quick.
Speaker AQuick, painless.
Speaker AQuick, painless takeaway.
Speaker AHot, chocky, done in the car.
Speaker ABosh.
Speaker BWell, my decks are up, but obviously we're spending Christmas in Dubai.
Speaker CYes.
Speaker BProbably should address this because most of you would have seen.
Speaker BI am leaving to go to Dubai.
Speaker ABut she's being jet set.
Speaker BLuanna will continue.
Speaker BAnd it will continue in person.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BBecause basically we've got a contract.
Speaker ALou is being, oh, yeah, I will be back.
Speaker AYou know how she loves her dudes and her sunshine.
Speaker ASo it makes sense for you to be able to sun yourself today.
Speaker BBasically.
Speaker BSnow lie that I hate the fucking cold.
Speaker BSo that is it.
Speaker BI'm taking the plunge.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker BAnd I am.
Speaker BI will be in Dubai for the majority of my time.
Speaker BHowever, I will be jet setting back to England to.
Speaker BTo see my baby Anna.
Speaker BTo record Liu Anna.
Speaker BTo keep everybody happy.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker BSo, yeah, I'll be living this two, two star lifestyle.
Speaker ABe two two, wasn't it?
Speaker APolitician two jags.
Speaker BWho's that?
Speaker AWho was that?
Speaker AWas that John Prescott?
Speaker AI can't remember now.
Speaker BI don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker BBut anyway, basically, best of both worlds.
Speaker BSo if you're a Lufanian indoor business as usual, babes.
Speaker BCan you let me know?
Speaker BI might need some friends.
Speaker ABut, yeah, exactly.
Speaker AA few people message about that going, oh, my God, just shit myself.
Speaker ALike, don't worry about it.
Speaker ABusiness as usual.
Speaker BIt will be.
Speaker AThere'll be no.
Speaker AShe's gonna have a really good tan.
Speaker BI'm gonna be looking so healthy when I'm back.
Speaker AWhen we're all grey and sallow recording.
Speaker BThese podcasts and flying in and flying back out again.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker BBecause I'm limited to being able to work only a certain amount of days in England.
Speaker ASo we're flogging her to death.
Speaker BSo, yeah, I'll be Looking healthy and fresh.
Speaker BSo don't worry if you saw my little leaving party that Anna threw me.
Speaker BLubai, queen of the desert.
Speaker AYou know what?
Speaker AIt was just a little.
Speaker AA little lunch at the pub.
Speaker AWe thought.
Speaker ADo you know what?
Speaker BShe's so good.
Speaker AI mean, it's no massive surprise because you spend half your time in Dubai anyway.
Speaker BI actually do.
Speaker AYou actually do.
Speaker BI probably spend about six months out of England anyway.
Speaker BYou love to travel, so now it'll be about nine or ten.
Speaker ABut you know what?
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AThis is the beauty of the world, I think now because, I mean, I think we all know and have got many friends and family.
Speaker APeople travel a lot more.
Speaker AAnd I think this is the good thing about the advent of tech, and just people are a bit more fluid.
Speaker BWell, my besties Lucy and Nicole are there.
Speaker BI'm just working on getting Anna there, which is never gonna happen.
Speaker AI mean, you know me, guys.
Speaker BShe likes seasons.
Speaker AI love.
Speaker AI'm team uk.
Speaker AI mean, there's a lot, obviously, very, very annoying about at the moment.
Speaker ABut you know what?
Speaker ANot the country.
Speaker AAs the country.
Speaker AI love the seasons.
Speaker BYou like the greenery?
Speaker AYeah, I love all of it.
Speaker BYou like village life?
Speaker AI love my village life.
Speaker AI love my Christmas tree farm.
Speaker BWell, I.
Speaker BThere's.
Speaker BYou know what?
Speaker BThere is also Christmas tree farms in Dubai.
Speaker AAre there?
Speaker BAnd you can get real Christmas trees in Dubai.
Speaker ADo they not frazzle in like five minutes?
Speaker BI don't really understand.
Speaker BI think they ship them in because I saw it on my local community group.
Speaker BI've got neighbors now.
Speaker ANo, do us a favor.
Speaker ACan we.
Speaker AI think we should.
Speaker BAnyway, some Facebook.
Speaker ALike, there's some, like, Facebook, you know, chat.
Speaker ADo you know what I mean?
Speaker BYeah, no, when you guys.
Speaker BIt all goes off in my community.
Speaker BGreat.
Speaker AWell, tell us about that because you.
Speaker BCare for what I say.
Speaker BI'm scared in case I get deported.
Speaker AWell, yeah, that's golden.
Speaker BVisa won't be so golden if I.
Speaker BIf I say something wrong.
Speaker AThat's why my ass is staying here, guys.
Speaker ABecause we all know I got anxiety.
Speaker AAnyway.
Speaker BNo, my decks are up.
Speaker BLovely Abdul.
Speaker BHe is so cute.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BI found this guy called Abdul.
Speaker BObviously, I love him.
Speaker BYeah, because.
Speaker BBecause he's done a brilliant job with my Christmas deckies.
Speaker BHere's my door.
Speaker AThat's very sweet.
Speaker AWe are now seeing a very nicely decorated.
Speaker BHe's done my decks in Dubai, basically.
Speaker BAnd I really like Abdul.
Speaker BLike, he's so cute.
Speaker BLovely.
Speaker BMy tree.
Speaker AVery nice.
Speaker BNo, it doesn't look big, but it's 4 meters tall.
Speaker AI mean, I'LL be honest.
Speaker ALook at that.
Speaker AI'd have thought that was like a two foot tree.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut that's not.
Speaker BBut it's a house is like really.
Speaker BIt's got this really tall bit in there.
Speaker AReally nice tree.
Speaker BI bought a lot of nutcrackers.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker BOh no.
Speaker AThat's a picture of me looking like a condom.
Speaker BSo yeah, that, that, that is that.
Speaker BSo if you saw on Instagram, fear not, Luana is still going ahead.
Speaker BI will just be looking healthy, tanned.
Speaker BPeople are saying about.
Speaker BYeah, and very jet lagged when we do these.
Speaker BNo, I think it'll work.
Speaker AIt's all good.
Speaker BIt's only four hours and I'll just be in bed by like babes.
Speaker AListen, do you know how many.
Speaker AHow many people I know that like that everybody lives everywhere nowadays.
Speaker AI don't think it's a thing.
Speaker AI don't think it's.
Speaker BIt's true.
Speaker BBO style.
Speaker CI've got a question for you, Anna.
Speaker AGo on.
Speaker CI want to know how the paper advent calendar went down.
Speaker AHonest answer.
Speaker ALike a sack of.
Speaker ALike a sack of.
Speaker AAlthough actually I.
Speaker AWhat I would like to say is I think the kids got the gist of the message I was trying to portray.
Speaker BThere's no way.
Speaker AWhich was Enzo went.
Speaker AI know he's wy.
Speaker AMy boy.
Speaker AI tell you that boy.
Speaker AHe's wh.
Speaker BFive and nine.
Speaker ANearly six.
Speaker ANearly six.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd he was like, I know.
Speaker AI said, let's just say I know what you're trying to do.
Speaker AYou're trying to make us feel grateful for everything that we do.
Speaker AAnd he got it, got the message.
Speaker AAnd I was like.
Speaker AHe said.
Speaker AAnd he said.
Speaker AAnd I am grateful but.
Speaker ABut he knows cuz I love.
Speaker AI love him.
Speaker AHe's my favorite spectacle.
Speaker AMy little geeky bottle.
Speaker ABottle eyes.
Speaker BHe's the little.
Speaker BHe is.
Speaker AHe's a little milky bar kid.
Speaker AHe's a little milky.
Speaker BWe love him so babe.
Speaker AHe's so sweet with his little tooth.
Speaker AHe lost his nose.
Speaker AOh, and he's got tooth.
Speaker AHis little tooth fell out.
Speaker AHe honestly.
Speaker AHe's just.
Speaker AHonestly my boy.
Speaker AAnyway, so I was like that is right.
Speaker BIndy are very similar children.
Speaker ASo similar.
Speaker BIt's like one is.
Speaker BWell, one is a boy and one is a girl.
Speaker ABut they are the same kids.
Speaker BThey're the same kids.
Speaker AWhen in Indy's mannerism.
Speaker ACan we talk about what she does?
Speaker AOh God, the fish.
Speaker AOh my God.
Speaker ARight, so let me like.
Speaker ASo basically because like Lou has basically stitched me right up, sent me this video which was.
Speaker AI've got A gift for Enzo.
Speaker ABrilliant.
Speaker AIndy's fish, she needs her fish looking after.
Speaker BObviously we can't take the fish to Dubai and Indy is really.
Speaker BSo I got these fish in the summer.
Speaker BI don't know why I got them, because I knew that we've been moving to Dubai for ages now.
Speaker AI mean, yeah.
Speaker AI had a weak.
Speaker BMoment in the summer holidays and I thought, oh, it.
Speaker BI'll get the fish then.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BBecause Indy spent days researching what type of fish to get what size tank she needs for.
Speaker BAnd I was like, you know what?
Speaker BShe's done so much.
Speaker BAnd we went to a nice little independent fish shop and the guy in there was like, oh, my God, I'm so impressed.
Speaker BWe've never.
Speaker BWe never have young children coming in.
Speaker BAnd he was like, I'm so impressed with her.
Speaker BShe had her little list and she really cares about these fish.
Speaker BClemmie didn't care so much, but obviously wanted a fish tank because Indy had one.
Speaker BSo Clemmies have gone to our mate Laura, and we.
Speaker BAnd Indy's fish are nicer than the ones Laura got.
Speaker AAre they?
Speaker BOh, yeah, they're bigger.
Speaker ABecause your mate Laura there messaged me going, you do know we've been stitched up with breeding guppies.
Speaker AAnd I was like, yeah, I know.
Speaker AAnd I just said, you know what?
Speaker AI'm sort of.
Speaker AI'm going to have to become friends with you now, aren't I, Laura?
Speaker ABecause we're going to have to figure out.
Speaker AThese bloody fish ones are nice.
Speaker AOh, that's good.
Speaker AWell, basically.
Speaker ASo then I pitched it.
Speaker ASo no, then indie pitched it in a video to the kids, which was very beautifully presented video with like, here are my fish.
Speaker ALike.
Speaker ASo then showed it to the kids.
Speaker AOh, no, I vocalize it.
Speaker AI said, guys, how do you feel about like a fish tank, Indies fish tank?
Speaker AAnd they were.
Speaker AThey weren't that bothered initially.
Speaker BThey were a bit.
Speaker AAnd then I.
Speaker AThen I showed them.
Speaker AThey're quite visual.
Speaker AAnd then I showed him Indy's video of demonstrating the fish.
Speaker ALike she was on qvc.
Speaker ALike, literally, that kid can make it as a QVC presenter.
Speaker AAnd here's the fish and here's.
Speaker AYou can change all the little accessories that go in the fish tank.
Speaker AWell, that was it.
Speaker ABingo.
Speaker AMy two.
Speaker AWe want the fish.
Speaker AWe want the fish.
Speaker ASo we have the sodding fish tank arriving.
Speaker AThe kids are very excited now.
Speaker ANow they're fighting over who gets the fish tank in whose room.
Speaker BWell, in.
Speaker BCindy now is like hesitating on when to give the fish.
Speaker BI was like, we can go to animals and get.
Speaker BOh no, it's, it's too far between.
Speaker BWhen we meet she wants to basically give them on the day we move.
Speaker BAnd I was like no, it's not going to be practical.
Speaker BSo I said we can make that work.
Speaker BI'll talk to you today about it.
Speaker BShe wants to drop them off.
Speaker AOh, she wants to drop them off.
Speaker AWell we can make it work because she needs.
Speaker BShe wants to basically like show how to clean it.
Speaker BShe's really into the.
Speaker ABut I'll be honest, it will come better from her to my two because I did say to them one whiff of you not looking after your fish and then it goes to the school.
Speaker ALike that's what my mum did.
Speaker AI got three warnings of cleaning out my guinea pigs and then they went.
Speaker AAnd then one day I came home, no guinea pigs.
Speaker AMy mother is a strong ass mother.
Speaker AI'm telling you.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker AIt was my own fault.
Speaker AWell thank you for the fish.
Speaker AMy kids are thrilled about it.
Speaker AI'm less so but we'll go with the flow.
Speaker BOh oh, also sorry just to say had quite a lot of message about the horses.
Speaker BOf course I'm taking the horses with me.
Speaker BThey fly on an airplane.
Speaker BPeople would like messaging about that.
Speaker BYeah, they just, they just go on a cargo plane.
Speaker BI'll Instagram it when they fly in a few days time and they do that.
Speaker AAmazing, amazing.
Speaker ABack to Blighty and the Nativity.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker AThe star costume.
Speaker AWe've got the Nativity is next week.
Speaker AWe've got the star costume.
Speaker AWe have a slight issue.
Speaker AMy child is Mariah Carey and it's not good enough for her.
Speaker AI've got another 17.99 I spent on that.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BIt's not good enough idea.
Speaker BCan you show me a picture of it?
Speaker AYeah, I'll find it in a minute.
Speaker BI think what we need to do is get those strip LED lights.
Speaker BIf you give me the costume.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker AI'm gonna go bring the costume round actually bring it round because I've.
Speaker BGot ideas for this costume.
Speaker BCan you.
Speaker AWould you.
Speaker BBecause it's to make her a shining star.
Speaker BBecause I don't have this sort of nativity at my school.
Speaker AWell I went to her so my kids primary school and he doesn't have one.
Speaker BNo, they don't have Clemmie's economy's I miss because I was working but terrible mother.
Speaker AWell you know life happens but my kids primary school is literally like the primary school in nativity.
Speaker AYou know the musical video like which we watch the other day is literally like that.
Speaker AAnd the kid's teacher, she did actually say to me, can you show me.
Speaker BA picture of it?
Speaker AIt's a bit.
Speaker ANo, no, I'm good.
Speaker ABut she did say to me because we got the email about, you know, suggested outfits.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BDoes she listen to the pod?
Speaker BDo you think?
Speaker BShe.
Speaker AI don't know.
Speaker AI didn't want to.
Speaker AShe's a newer teacher, actually, so she's really good, by the way.
Speaker AWhich one?
Speaker AOh, I've got.
Speaker AOkay, it's this one.
Speaker BOkay, let me have a look.
Speaker BHang on, I.
Speaker BIf you get me that.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIt's that.
Speaker BOh, right.
Speaker BI will pimp this up.
Speaker AWell, she does what we need to do.
Speaker BIt's basically, guys, I've been given the.
Speaker AFree reign, by the way, by the teacher to go for it.
Speaker AShe was like, I don't want you to think.
Speaker AThink.
Speaker AYou have to go extra.
Speaker AI was like, babes.
Speaker AAnd then she went.
Speaker AI went, but would you mind if I did?
Speaker AAnd she went, no, babes.
Speaker AI mean, she is the star.
Speaker BSo I think exactly that.
Speaker BIt's basically just a gold star with the.
Speaker ALike a tabard.
Speaker BYeah, like a T. Yeah.
Speaker BSo what I think we could do is we can get some LED strip lights.
Speaker BWe'll run that around there.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd we'll light her up with the little battery pack on the top.
Speaker AWell, she's having a breakdown over the top bit, so she wants that bit cut off.
Speaker AAnd I've now bought a star headband.
Speaker BWhat?
Speaker BYou can't cut that off.
Speaker AWell, maybe you need to have a word with her then.
Speaker BWell, no, we could close that in and just bring it lower.
Speaker AShe had like a sensory overload on it.
Speaker AShe was like, it's.
Speaker AI can't move my head.
Speaker AI can't move my head.
Speaker ABut do you know what else we've got, though, which is really exciting?
Speaker AShe.
Speaker AOh, hang on, sorry, landscapers.
Speaker AShe.
Speaker AShe's got a solo.
Speaker ADid I tell you this?
Speaker AThat shows what's singing solo.
Speaker ASo she's.
Speaker AWell, she has the thing.
Speaker AIt's going well, girls.
Speaker AIt's going well.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AShe's utterly bribed me.
Speaker AA bit like your indie when she had operation.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AIt was like, I'll do it by myself and not have a year two helping me if.
Speaker AOh, yeah, I do you buy me a massive plush toy that she wants from bloody Smiths.
Speaker AObviously I bought the plush toy because I'm like, you need to do this.
Speaker BTalking about solos.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker BSo my kids do lambda.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BWe'll move on from our kids and.
Speaker ARealize we never talk about our kids.
Speaker BBecause this is actually really cute.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker BBut basically Indy and Dixie D Lambda.
Speaker BClemmie doesn't.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker BThey had this Lambda presentation evening.
Speaker BThey got their exams this week.
Speaker BThey do do the presentation so the parents can see what they're doing.
Speaker BAnd I really have no idea what my kids do day to day.
Speaker BAnyway, so we'll get to the evening and I've got Clemmie with me and Indy's gonna do her little thing.
Speaker BAnyway, she comes out on the stage, she's got these little tap shoes on.
Speaker BNo idea where she's got the tap shoes from.
Speaker BShe's obviously happened for a while.
Speaker BI just never noticed.
Speaker AAmazing.
Speaker BAnd suddenly she bursts into dance and song on her own in front of all of the other parents, singing.
Speaker BAnd I was born to entertain.
Speaker BShe looks like a little Shirley Temple.
Speaker BShe's got bright red hair.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BShe's got these little taps she's on.
Speaker BShe's giving it all these movements.
Speaker BShe's going from the tip of my nose to the top of my feet.
Speaker BAnd then she does a little solo tap.
Speaker BWell, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker BI was laughing because I was so shocked.
Speaker BAnd the other mums are like, she's really good.
Speaker BAnd I was like, yeah, she is actually really good.
Speaker BIt was.
Speaker BI was blown away.
Speaker ASo this is definitely an improvement since the hockey.
Speaker BOh, the hockey.
Speaker BActually, you know, we've all got.
Speaker AWe've all got our vice advices.
Speaker BIsn't indie strongest thing, but let me tell you, that kid should be on a stage.
Speaker AYou know what, it's funny you say that.
Speaker ADon't know what to buy kids, though.
Speaker AWe don't talk about kids, but everyone's bored now.
Speaker AThey are tuning.
Speaker ABut speaking of which, I had a moment of surprise as well the other day because, you know, did I tell you that Enzo started drums lessons?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWell, the last time I took him to drums, which was, I'll be honest, quite a few weeks ago, Alex takes him to drums.
Speaker AI tend to do something else with.
Speaker AL hadn't seen him for a while when he first started.
Speaker BFor Christmas.
Speaker ANo, I am not.
Speaker BYou can get the.
Speaker BI add the electric ones for Dixie with the headphones.
Speaker AWell, maybe, but you can practice and you can't.
Speaker AI went in, I took him on Saturday and then literally, hang on.
Speaker BGive us a rendition.
Speaker AHang on.
Speaker BBut, like.
Speaker ASo he was like, right in, so warm up, literally.
Speaker AAnd I was like, hang on.
Speaker CInto the mic, please.
Speaker AStraight away.
Speaker AJust literally kicked in.
Speaker BHe's really good.
Speaker ALiterally.
Speaker AThey literally went all right and say warm up.
Speaker AAnd he went.
Speaker AAnd I was like, all right, boss.
Speaker AGood.
Speaker AHe's not bad.
Speaker BAnd also, while we're talking about our musical children, Dixie and I, the harmonica and singing to piano man.
Speaker BShe only got the harmonica that day.
Speaker AI mean, she's.
Speaker BShe is actually quite.
Speaker AWe are the Von Traps.
Speaker BThere we go.
Speaker AThere we go.
Speaker AEnough of our gut.
Speaker BEnough of our show.
Speaker BAlso this weekend, go on the grotto.
Speaker AYou're coming up.
Speaker AYeah, the Santa Grotto.
Speaker BMy kids decided to do a grotto.
Speaker BDo you want to hear something hilarious?
Speaker BThey've only invited my.
Speaker BWhat I would call celebrity friends.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BSo they wanted friends with younger children so they can boss the kids around.
Speaker BThey've turned their tree house into a grotto.
Speaker BThey found all my decorations.
Speaker BThey've done it by themselves.
Speaker BThey've been printing out about 100 pages of coloring in and writing to Santa.
Speaker BThey've got my Santa post box out.
Speaker BThey've gone all in.
Speaker AYou know, Elle is like, all in for this.
Speaker BSo basically, they've invited Anna and her kids, Carrie and her kids, Stacy Solomon and her kids.
Speaker BI'm like, are we inviting anyone who's not a celebrity?
Speaker BCouple.
Speaker CCouple.
Speaker BBut not many, because I didn't want loads because I've now gone extra, haven't I?
Speaker BSo I've got a chef doing afternoon tea.
Speaker BWell, I thought, oh, that.
Speaker BI'm not actually.
Speaker ALou did message me going, I've got to do something.
Speaker AI can't just have my dad dressing up as father.
Speaker BAnd I tried to get a really good Santa.
Speaker ADid you.
Speaker BDo you remember the really good Santa from my party?
Speaker BThey said it's the busiest Sunday of the year, so we're just gonna have to have my dad.
Speaker BBut at least we've got nice food.
Speaker BWell, the food is afternoon tea for adults.
Speaker BReally nice, fancy, like Brie and.
Speaker AOh, you don't want, like, a cheese board.
Speaker AYeah, this is the kids I've got.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo we're doing that well.
Speaker ASo we're keeping it festive.
Speaker AOh, another quick update as well.
Speaker ARenault.
Speaker ALots of people have been saying to me, what's with the Renault?
Speaker AI'll keep it brief.
Speaker AWe're finally watertight, guys.
Speaker AIt's only taken us eight months to get a roof and windows and doors on.
Speaker AWe are very happy.
Speaker AWe are very happy.
Speaker AWe are very pleased.
Speaker AWe are motoring through.
Speaker AWe should be in by spring.
Speaker AWe'll see.
Speaker ABut you know what?
Speaker AFor the Renault that ended up becoming a massive Renault, we're really happy.
Speaker ASo thank you to all our builders and enjoy the view.
Speaker AGlazing that's not an ad.
Speaker ANot spawn.
Speaker AWe've paid them good money, but they are very good because.
Speaker BRemember my window?
Speaker AOh, yes.
Speaker BThat was hell.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AThese guys worked overtime over the weekend to get away from the weather.
Speaker AAnd I'm like, that is amazing.
Speaker AA company that works over the weekends as well.
Speaker AYeah, I know.
Speaker AAnd they.
Speaker AThey were amazing.
Speaker ASo thank you to everyone who has really helped get our.
Speaker AOur house.
Speaker ARight, imo.
Speaker AHow are you?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AOh, wait, no, wait.
Speaker BJingle.
Speaker AHave we got a jingle this week?
Speaker CWe've got two more options for.
Speaker COh, the jingle.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ALet's do it.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker CFirst comes in from Charlie.
Speaker AYeah, Here we go.
Speaker CIt's Charlie and Darby.
Speaker AWe've got a potential jingle for you.
Speaker CFor the reco seco.
Speaker ADon't know what to watch don't know what to do don't know where to.
Speaker CGo We've got the answers for you.
Speaker AIn the rare cosecco.
Speaker AIt's the rare cosecco, yeah.
Speaker AOh, pretty good.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAt the end, I liked the Quite like that.
Speaker BNot sure how catchy it is.
Speaker AI still like the milking one.
Speaker CI just like the penmanship.
Speaker BIt was very nice penmanship.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker COkay.
Speaker BThank you, Charlie.
Speaker BThank you.
Speaker CThis comes in from.
Speaker CShe wanted to be anonymous and she wanted to call herself Felicity Flaps.
Speaker AGreat.
Speaker AExcellent.
Speaker AGood morning, Liu Animo.
Speaker AI have a little jingle for you.
Speaker AHopefully you like it.
Speaker BAverage and adhd.
Speaker ASo even if you don't use it, this is what I'll sing.
Speaker ABut here it goes.
Speaker AIt's a red coat.
Speaker AI mean, you could get totally carried away with that, Lou.
Speaker ASeems like your vibe.
Speaker AAnyway, give me a wicked porn star name of Felicity Flaps.
Speaker AI quite like this.
Speaker BIt's a red co.
Speaker BIt's a red co.
Speaker BIt's a red corset.
Speaker BAbove and beyond It's a red coat.
Speaker AThe red cosecco oluana.
Speaker BSo come along.
Speaker AAnything to the final countdown gets my vote.
Speaker AQuite honestly, I actually really like that.
Speaker AYeah, that's the one for today.
Speaker AImogen, what do you think?
Speaker CI like it.
Speaker CI like it a lot.
Speaker CAnd I think you can sing it well.
Speaker CWhat was the one we had last week?
Speaker AOh, yeah.
Speaker AIf anyone would like to actually try and put that to the final countdown with the lyrics, we will then play that.
Speaker BNot allowed, though, are we?
Speaker AAre we not?
Speaker BNo, not allowed.
Speaker AChange.
Speaker AYeah, change a couple of notes, we'll be fine.
Speaker ARight, well, speaking of reference.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker ARight, go on then.
Speaker AOver to you, Lou.
Speaker BOver to you, Ems.
Speaker AOkay, what is it this week from.
Speaker CAbout Rachel from accounts.
Speaker CMine is a TV show called Colin from Accounts.
Speaker AOh, okay.
Speaker CIt's an Australian comedy.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker CAnd it's very good.
Speaker CI love it so much.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AChanel?
Speaker CI think it's on the Beeb.
Speaker CI think that's where.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker CAnd it might be on Netflix.
Speaker CBut Colin from Accounts.
Speaker CBasically, there's a man and the premise, the beginning, the premise.
Speaker CThere's a man, he's driving somewhere and he.
Speaker CAnd a woman walks past and flashes her tit at him and he gets distracted and hits a dog.
Speaker CSo they both take the dog to the vets.
Speaker CThe dog lives.
Speaker CThey call the dog Colin.
Speaker AGood.
Speaker CAnd it's about that basically and what becomes of them and the dog.
Speaker CAnd it's just great.
Speaker BHeartwarming.
Speaker CIt's heartwarming.
Speaker CIt's funny.
Speaker CThey're like short episodes because it's like comedy vibes.
Speaker CSo it's very digestible.
Speaker CIf you're looking for something to watch over the festive period, maybe try that.
Speaker AOkay, that's good.
Speaker AThat's good.
Speaker BAnna.
Speaker AWell, mine, Mine.
Speaker ANo, not at all.
Speaker AThe Rocco Seco can be anything, obviously.
Speaker ALittle recommendation of the week.
Speaker AAnd I was sort of toying between should it be a skin care thing this week because I have got a few of those.
Speaker ALike, what do I wanna.
Speaker ABut I'm gonna just keep it real because I've just had a delivery from itsu.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo my record of the week, right.
Speaker AIs Bex will know this when she comes around and does my tick tock filming.
Speaker AMy record Sec of the week is we're in Christmas season, which means if you're anything like me, you're eating like an elephant all the time.
Speaker AAnd we haven't even got to the big day yet.
Speaker AWe're still a few weeks off.
Speaker ASo for me, you know, picking is my downfall.
Speaker AHowever, these little Itzu, like posh pot noodle type.
Speaker BOh, I love.
Speaker BI've been eating these for years.
Speaker AOh, I know, I know.
Speaker ASame, love, same.
Speaker ABut I. I reminded myself of day.
Speaker AI thought they are brilliant if you're trying to just be a little bit good.
Speaker BIn inverted comments, they're only 200 calories.
Speaker BThey're really.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ABut I find them filling and satisfying because you can drink the broth at the end.
Speaker ASo my reco Seco is if you're anything like me and you're just trying to save the fact that you don't want to be eating 8, 000 calories a day just yet, have your little itu pot.
Speaker AAnd I have that as my little Scooby snack.
Speaker AAnd it keeps me going to the.
Speaker BActual can I add to you to that.
Speaker AThat's mine.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BBut also it's a. I mean, we're waxing about and we are not paid.
Speaker AWe' cream pay.
Speaker AThis is a genuine.
Speaker BBut they also do like the goyos and the bow buns and they just like defrost in the microwave in about 45 seconds.
Speaker BBut I do the broth.
Speaker BI take it out of the plastic pots.
Speaker BI like to be bougie.
Speaker BI put it in a proper bowl and then I put some goyoza in there.
Speaker BLike three or four goyos are floating in there too, which I like.
Speaker BAnd then on the side I'll have two bow buns with a bit of sweet chili.
Speaker AIt's like being in the actual restaurant.
Speaker BYeah, And I like that.
Speaker BSo there you go.
Speaker ASo there you go.
Speaker ASo he's yours.
Speaker AIt's so as well.
Speaker BNo, no.
Speaker AOh, fine.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AWell, that was mine then, right?
Speaker BMine is.
Speaker BIf you're thinking about Christmas presents for kids and maybe people do this and I know, like we have all those Christmas Eve boxes and all that.
Speaker BI don't do any of that.
Speaker BBut basically, on Christmas Day, my kids love getting I call like a Christmas tooth hamper box.
Speaker AYeah, you were saying about this last week.
Speaker BHave I already done this then?
Speaker AWell, you said they like a hamper.
Speaker AWell, you haven't said what's in it.
Speaker BFarted.
Speaker BMy reco is you get a little box and in it something to play.
Speaker AOh, no, this is good.
Speaker BSomething to read, something to watch, something soft and something creative.
Speaker BAll right, so I'll put like a toy in there.
Speaker BLike maybe like a little fidget.
Speaker BYou know, they like the squishies and all that stuff.
Speaker BA good book to read.
Speaker BThen I'll put like a little pamper things.
Speaker BMinor girls, obviously.
Speaker BSo I put like a little face mask in or some skincare that they like.
Speaker BAnd then I'll do like sometimes pajamas or cozy socks.
Speaker BAnd I just put a load of little too.
Speaker BI want something to eat as well, so I put like a little chocky in there.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd I put all nice chalky orange, all nice, like straw paper in there.
Speaker BWhatever.
Speaker AThat's nice.
Speaker BAnd they love that little Christmas Christmas little tooth hamper.
Speaker BSo that's quite good.
Speaker BI try and streamline Christmas.
Speaker ALove that.
Speaker AYeah, I I me fast, fast.
Speaker AA streamlined Christmas.
Speaker ALove it.
Speaker BBut a little hamper box.
Speaker BLoads of great deals on my Amazon, guys.
Speaker AThere you go.
Speaker ASo if you Infectious laughing so if you would, if you've got any reco secos, let us know, guys, we'd like to know what you know if you've got anything you want to throw into the mix.
Speaker ARight, the Christmas cash call.
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Speaker A£350,000.
Speaker ASo how do you fancy winning 350, 000 pounds?
Speaker AI mean, who wouldn't?
Speaker AThat's a house.
Speaker BThis must be like.
Speaker BThat's like two houses.
Speaker BLike some places.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker BThis must be like one of the biggest giveaways.
Speaker BLike it's huge.
Speaker ADefinitely the we've done.
Speaker AWe've only gone and added another 100 grand.
Speaker APeeps.
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Speaker ARight, massages.
Speaker BLet's.
Speaker ALet's muff on tin, shall we, Peeps?
Speaker AMessage from Anonymous.
Speaker ASo, Fanny Slammer.
Speaker BOh, funny.
Speaker BSlammer.
Speaker AHi, Luana and Emo.
Speaker AAwesome name by the way.
Speaker AImogen is also my daughter's name.
Speaker AThere it is, there it is.
Speaker ALook how love.
Speaker ALook how happy IMO is.
Speaker AI love listening to the pod.
Speaker AAnd I have a life story I've been dying to share, but wondered when the best time to email him would be.
Speaker AI mean, it's always now.
Speaker AWell, the opportunity came, became clear after hearing you discuss the story about the woman who faked her pregnancy and baby last week.
Speaker BOh, that was wild.
Speaker ASo bad.
Speaker AYou asked how other people do this and how did other people not notice?
Speaker ABoth very valid questions which had me thinking about something that happened to me and had me asking the very same questions.
Speaker AI would love to hear Your take on this all, please keep anonymous with a fabulous porn star name.
Speaker AAlthough anyone who knows me well will recognize the story.
Speaker AI'll try and keep this as brief as I can, but there is a lot to fit in.
Speaker AIn 2006, I interviewed for a job in a bar in Birmingham and I was happily successful.
Speaker AThree months later, the manager, let's call him Dick Brilliant, who hired me and I started hired me and I started dating.
Speaker AHe was a little odd.
Speaker AShab.
Speaker AI mean she's straight in Lou straight well in Joe Pen eye.
Speaker AOff we go.
Speaker AHe was a little odd, shall we say.
Speaker ABut I was, if I'm honest, so very lonely.
Speaker AOh, and had so very little self confidence.
Speaker AI was just flattered he was interested.
Speaker ABless you, babe.
Speaker AI overlooked his oddities as a child and we swear, I mean, there is rose tinted glasses, isn't there?
Speaker ABless us.
Speaker AAnd we swiftly moved in together.
Speaker AAnd six years later, we were marri been together a while.
Speaker AWhen we met, he was studying for a degree as well as working part time.
Speaker AAnd just like me, as I was in my third year of a music degree, all seemed well.
Speaker AAfter finishing his degree, he left the bar to pursue a job in finance.
Speaker BI'm looking for a man in finance.
Speaker AMy brother, he did a music degree and then he went into work in finance.
Speaker BReally?
Speaker AThis is my brother.
Speaker AThis wasn't easy.
Speaker AHe worked from home for a while doing online trading before getting a great new job with an accountant for.
Speaker AIs this my brother before get your job with an accountancy firm.
Speaker AThat started just after we were married.
Speaker AMy brother's never been married.
Speaker AIt's not him.
Speaker AWe were viewing houses to buy and life seemed great.
Speaker AI should add that during this time, his dad, sadly and unexpectedly.
Speaker BI don't know what's happened, passed away.
Speaker AAnd it had a huge effect on him and our relationship.
Speaker AWell, it would, babe.
Speaker AYeah, but I held him up.
Speaker AWe worked through it.
Speaker AAnd I was so understanding when he cried the whole way through our wedding ceremony with grief that his dad wasn't there.
Speaker AOh, that's really so sad.
Speaker AWell, and this is where the questions mentioned in the beginning start coming in 18 months after the wedding, I could tell something wasn't quite adding up.
Speaker AI couldn't put my finger on exactly what, but my gut was screaming at me that all was not well.
Speaker AOne day I dropped him off at the train station only to see him in my rear view mirror walk away from the station and back towards home.
Speaker AOh, odd, I thought.
Speaker AThis niggled at me for a few hours until I eventually gave in and called his work to speak to him.
Speaker AHi, can I speak to Dick, please?
Speaker AI'm afraid.
Speaker AOh, I'm afraid no one by that name works here.
Speaker AOh, have they ever?
Speaker ANo.
Speaker AI've worked here for years and I've never heard of that name.
Speaker AWhat?
Speaker AI can't describe the sheer panic that was starting to build inside me as I'm sat at my desk in a shared office at a new job.
Speaker ASo I decided to call Dick directly.
Speaker AHi, where are you?
Speaker AI'm at work.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AWell, that's funny, because I just called there and they say you don't and you have never worked there.
Speaker BWhat the hell?
Speaker ASilence.
Speaker AAnd then I think you need to come home.
Speaker BThis is like a movie, babes.
Speaker AI'm so invested right now.
Speaker AMy mind racing.
Speaker AI told my manager through blinding tears that I needed to leave.
Speaker AI went home and I prepared for the worst.
Speaker AI sat him down on the sofa, told him he could say yes and no, and essentially interrogated my husband for what felt like hours.
Speaker AOh, my God.
Speaker AIn short, he had been lying to me for the entirety of our relationship.
Speaker BOh, my God.
Speaker BHeaven.
Speaker AListen to this.
Speaker AHe had been kicked out of uni.
Speaker AHe gave himself a first, I'd like to add, knob.
Speaker ASo didn't have a degree.
Speaker AHe hadn't earned a penny the whole time that he'd been online trading.
Speaker AAnd when his job at the accountancy firm started, he would go to town for the day and just hang out in the library before coming home.
Speaker AHe had essentially been unemployed for three years and I had no clue.
Speaker ANo idea.
Speaker AWe had separate bank accounts.
Speaker AWe had separate bank accounts.
Speaker AHe'd be.
Speaker AAnd he.
Speaker AOh, and he'd been spending his savings.
Speaker BWhere did he get the savings?
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker ASo the house deposit was gone.
Speaker AHe'd borrowed money from his family and he'd asked them not to tell me he hadn't paid his half of the rent in a year, but the landlady didn't tell me either.
Speaker AOh, these people keeping you in the dark as well.
Speaker AHe had CCJs pending debt collectors at the door and I was oblivious.
Speaker AAs for everybody else, no one knew his family, friends, no one.
Speaker AI mean, they were giving him money, though.
Speaker AI was working my ass off to build a deposit, but that had gone to.
Speaker AOh, you poor thing.
Speaker ABut that had gone too, because he asked me to pay for a few things whilst the bank were dealing with some fraud on his account.
Speaker AI didn't question it.
Speaker AHe was my husband.
Speaker AI had no reason to suspect he was a lying deceitful man I didn't know at all.
Speaker ASo bad.
Speaker AThis is like, it's not the Tinder swindler, do you know what I mean?
Speaker AAnd all those tears at the wedding, panic that he was lying to everyone in the room, including the effing registrar.
Speaker AI was devastated.
Speaker AMy friends rallied, supported me, My family refrained from causing him bodily harm.
Speaker AAnd in time, I calmed down.
Speaker ABut this is where I question my own sanity.
Speaker AI was 29 at the time, and in my world, we were planning a family together.
Speaker AI didn't want to start again.
Speaker AI doubted anyone else would want me anymore.
Speaker AHoney poo.
Speaker AI. I told myself that he hadn't physically hurt me.
Speaker AHe cheated on, hadn't cheated on me.
Speaker AHe'd just been stupid.
Speaker AGot himself in a situation he didn't know how to get out of.
Speaker ASo I said, look, I get it.
Speaker APeople do this, this.
Speaker AHe got old job as a waiter, quickly became a restaurant manager, and eventually a hotel manager.
Speaker AOkay, well, hang on.
Speaker AThis is turning out.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWe had two kids in the next three years and for a while seemed like a happy little family.
Speaker ABut raising children essentially alone, which is what you do when your partner works in hospitality, takes its toll.
Speaker AI started my own business, working around pickups and drop offs and building a happy life for myself.
Speaker ASure, he lived at home and contributed to the household income, but I was essentially a married single mother.
Speaker BSo many women are married single mother of 100.
Speaker AI'm responsible for everything.
Speaker ABecause he wasn't allowed access to the household cash after his behavior of she's.
Speaker BGot like a child.
Speaker AIt's difficult.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd essentially living a life where he wasn't needed.
Speaker AThe story, however, does have a happy ending.
Speaker AOkay, I didn't know this was coming.
Speaker AI come from a family with divorced parents and vowed never to do that to my kids.
Speaker ABut last September, I was nearing 40, my business was successful, I earned more than him, and I decided enough was enough.
Speaker AI was dumb.
Speaker AI had checked out from my marriage a long time ago.
Speaker AIt sounds it, babes.
Speaker ASometime near.
Speaker AWhen I asked him to have a vasectomy so I could come off the pill, I was told, and I quote, but if you die, I can't have any more children.
Speaker AOh, wow.
Speaker ALike he looked after the ones he had so well.
Speaker BOuch.
Speaker AI was finished.
Speaker ASo I called it.
Speaker AI graciously allowed him some time to adjust, but he eventually agreed.
Speaker AAnd this September, after a year of cohabiting, I really don't recommend that he moved out.
Speaker AWe are divorced and my new passport in my maiden name has Just been delivered.
Speaker AI have never been so proud of doing something for me to make a decision for myself and for my own happiness to add to the party.
Speaker AI met someone new last November and we are celebrating knowing each other a year this week.
Speaker AHe has seen the very best and worst of me this year and not once flinched when I have sobbed uncontrollably or vented my feelings.
Speaker AHe makes me laugh harder than anyone I know and I fancy the absolute pants.
Speaker AHe makes me feel loved and seen something I hadn't experienced before.
Speaker ATurns out I do like sex after all.
Speaker AJust not with my Lucious prick of an ex husband.
Speaker AWe are now amicable co parents.
Speaker AWell, this.
Speaker AThat's good.
Speaker AI always recommend that who can have a civil conversation regarding the children.
Speaker AAnd I wish him all the best.
Speaker AWell done for getting to that point by the way.
Speaker AAnd the real cherry on the cake, my youngest, my boy who is eight, curled up in my lap last night and said, oh, this is what is so lovely.
Speaker AGuys.
Speaker AMummy, you look happy.
Speaker AI don't remember you laughing a lot when daddy lived here, but you laugh all the time.
Speaker BThey do notice.
Speaker AOh, they notice everything.
Speaker BAnd people stay in unhappy relationships.
Speaker BOh, because the kids, you can't do it to the kids.
Speaker AKids.
Speaker BThe best thing you can do to the kids to give them two happy parents.
Speaker AIt is always as.
Speaker AAs someone that deals with that from a therapy point of view.
Speaker AIt is.
Speaker AYeah, it is.
Speaker ASorry, she says that was a long one.
Speaker AWould you believe I edited a lot out?
Speaker AI hope you made.
Speaker AI hope made it to the pub.
Speaker AKeep making us laugh.
Speaker AYou felt more than you know.
Speaker AOf course we will keep making you laugh.
Speaker AAnd thank you for that lovely story.
Speaker AIt just goes to show that, you know what, when you think of when you actually have good self esteem and you work your way through that, amazing things happen.
Speaker BWe got another message now.
Speaker BMessage from Anon.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BDicks on my right.
Speaker ADicks on my ass.
Speaker ADick's in my ass.
Speaker BDick's on my ass.
Speaker AIn my ass.
Speaker BDid you do that on him?
Speaker CNo.
Speaker AOh, you know she did it because she's not laughing uncontrollably.
Speaker CI like it though.
Speaker BHi, loanamo.
Speaker BPlease keep me anonymous as this is a very awkward subject.
Speaker BI'm failing you.
Speaker BTo the party.
Speaker BAnd it's been such a source of comfort and laughter while my husband and I renovate our first home.
Speaker BSorry about the long message, but I want to Hear your opinion.
Speaker B18 months ago, I took a job at a local salon.
Speaker BIt was a step down from my career in London, but I wanted A calmer life closer to home, as I knew I'd be spending my nights renovating my new home.
Speaker BReally, I should have seen the red flags at the job interview.
Speaker BThe owners, who are husband and wife, asked if I had children or planned to have them, which actually is illegal.
Speaker BYou can't do that.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BI found the question intrusive, but I brushed it off because it didn't affect me at the time and I really wanted the job.
Speaker BThe role has been great for my mental health.
Speaker BI work on reception, have lovely relationships with the clients and it's been such a relief from the chaos from my previous work.
Speaker BI'd got fairly close to the wife, who absolutely wears the trousers in the relationship.
Speaker BUnfortunately, she reacts terribly whenever the subject of children or pregnancy come up.
Speaker BIf kids come into the salon.
Speaker BSalon.
Speaker BShe mutters cruel comments.
Speaker BShe pulls faces behind people's backs and talks about pregnant women as if they're useless.
Speaker BShe's actually gone as far to say all pregnant women are thick and lose theirselves when they have children.
Speaker ABabe.
Speaker AShe's got some emotions.
Speaker BDo you know what?
Speaker BPeople like this always end up pregnant and it's because they can't have children or something's going on.
Speaker BI had a friend like this and she was so horrible about children, horrible when any of us were pregnant.
Speaker BAnd then she then went on to have two kids and now loves kids.
Speaker BAnd it was all.
Speaker AIt's all.
Speaker AIt's all emotional hanger.
Speaker AYeah, of course, of course.
Speaker BAnyway, she said I usually laugh, laugh awkwardly or roll my eyes to avoid conflict, but I never agreed with her.
Speaker BPlease note, they do not have children and they're in their late 50s.
Speaker AInteresting.
Speaker BWhen I found out I was pregnant, I was over the moon, yet terrified to tell my boss.
Speaker BTwo other girls at work were pregnant and she constantly complained about them.
Speaker BI even tried to hide my doctor's appointments, including when I was having pain and the doctors were worried about another ectopic pregnancy.
Speaker BEventually I told her.
Speaker BShe cried, asked if I was was keeping the baby.
Speaker BWhat the.
Speaker BAnd made me feel guilty for being pregnant.
Speaker ADreadful.
Speaker BWeeks later, I missed curry.
Speaker ASo sorry.
Speaker BIt was the worst heartbreak I'd ever experienced.
Speaker BI took only two days off, pulled myself together and went back to work.
Speaker BSince then, she's been oddly nice, but she still makes comments like, please don't get pregnant.
Speaker BI can only assume something in her past has made her like this, but she's never opened up and I try to maintain a level of professionalism even when she doesn't.
Speaker BMy husband and I want to Start trying again.
Speaker BBut the thought of telling her fills me with dread.
Speaker BI could leave, but most jobs require a year of employment before maternity pay and we want to build our family.
Speaker BNow, I'm 35 and I've already had losses.
Speaker BI feel completely stuck between wanting a peaceful pregnancy and needing financial stability.
Speaker BAs this is a small, family run business, there is no such thing as hr.
Speaker BFriends have told me to record her and take her to court.
Speaker BBut why would I want to spend what should be a joyful pregnancy dealing with legal battles?
Speaker BOther girls at work feel the same way, but no one is willing to come forward together.
Speaker BI might talk to acas, but there's part of me that feels they'll push me into a legal fight.
Speaker BMore than anything, I'm tired of feeling afraid to start the family we dreamed of.
Speaker BWould love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker BWhat should I do?
Speaker BWell, can I just tell you something now?
Speaker BPlan your family and you do what's right for you.
Speaker BBecause in a year, two years, three years, five years, you will not know this woman.
Speaker BYou will not work for this woman and she will be a distant memory.
Speaker BSo do not let this woman affect the decisions for you and your family.
Speaker BYou're 35, you're not getting any younger.
Speaker BYou want to start a family and that's exactly what you should do.
Speaker BAnd you should record her and you should.
Speaker BYou know, you say there's no such thing as HR for a small business.
Speaker BMy business is small.
Speaker BWe employ well now because we're moving.
Speaker BWe've only got nine people compared to the 15 that we had.
Speaker BBut there is still such a thing as hr.
Speaker BYou still have to have hr.
Speaker BYou can't just.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYou can't run Russia.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BGo free range just because there's not a lot of employees.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker BSo there might not be hr, but if you came to them with a problem, they would have to pay for HR consultant.
Speaker BWhich is what I've had to do in my business on occasion.
Speaker BYou have to get independent HR advice.
Speaker BAnd every business, however big or however small.
Speaker BIt's very annoying when you run a small business is that you have to have a code of conduct and practices in place.
Speaker BYou should be.
Speaker BYou should have proper contracts, you should have proper health risks.
Speaker BYou know, when, when nanny Lauren got pregnant, we had to do a risk assessment for her because she was pregnant at work.
Speaker BAnd if they're not following that, then they're not being correct.
Speaker BAnd I get that when you've got a small business, it's annoying and it's extra expense and it's hard for small businesses to do those things, but they are things that you have to adhere to.
Speaker BAnd I would re, I would record what, what she says to you and I would write things down because you might not be feeling strong enough at the moment to tackle these things when they come up.
Speaker BBut, but you may well need that if you're dismissed, you know.
Speaker AYes.
Speaker BFor being pregnant and obviously illegal.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BThat from both ends of the spectrum.
Speaker BI get it.
Speaker BIt's annoying when you run a small business and people get pregnant and, and it's annoying when you run a small business and people are off sick and stuff.
Speaker BBut.
Speaker ABut it's also life.
Speaker ABut it's also life.
Speaker AAnd, and also if, you know, if we weren't having babies, I mean, then we wouldn't have any, you know, the next generation coming up underneath us.
Speaker AI mean, what.
Speaker AI, I think Lou's given some really good advice there and I think it sounds like.
Speaker AAnd I get it as well.
Speaker AIt's really hard when it is a boss and you're all, including you and your colleagues are feeling nervous about it, you know, but at the same time, you know, this is your job.
Speaker AIt is discriminatory.
Speaker AYou cannot be discriminated against because you want to have a baby, you want to have a family.
Speaker AMy.
Speaker AI mean, I don't know if you feel strong enough doing this, you know, you might even want to have a bit little play around with it.
Speaker ABut I would as lucid.
Speaker AYou, you cannot apologize.
Speaker AAnd neither should you ever apologize for, you know, having a life.
Speaker AYou, you work to live, not the other way around.
Speaker ABut this woman is clearly.
Speaker AIt's her business.
Speaker AShe's really invested in her business, but she is projecting her views and her ideals onto her workforce.
Speaker AAnd actually it's bullying and it's definitely passive aggressive.
Speaker AIt's not even passive, it's just aggressive.
Speaker AYou know, the way she's speaking about other people.
Speaker AIt is by design to make everybody feel fearful around having a baby because you will know.
Speaker BKnow.
Speaker AYes, possibly.
Speaker AIt is steeped in.
Speaker AShe will absolutely have a reason for this.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AWhich she's probably, she's probably will never bring to the table.
Speaker AAnd that's her personal business.
Speaker ABut what is also your personal business is you're allowed to have a baby.
Speaker APersonally, if I, if I were you, but this is easy for me to say because I'm not in your position.
Speaker AI.
Speaker AYou don't want to be treading on eggshells.
Speaker AIf you like your job and you want to stay in your job, worrying about having a Baby because you're just going to end up going stark gravy mad.
Speaker AIt's going to play into your mental health, it's going to play into yourself self esteem.
Speaker AI would actually even just make it quite over and just say call it out for what it is.
Speaker ALet's call her Jane.
Speaker AJane, I've really noticed over the past X amount of times you have some really strong feelings around people getting pregnant within the business and people in the company.
Speaker ATo be really clear with you, having a baby is on my agenda.
Speaker AI will keep you in the loop as much as I am obliged to.
Speaker ABut that is.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ABut that is part.
Speaker ABut that is part of my plan and I.
Speaker AAnd I would actually call her out and it.
Speaker ANot aggressively not but, but name often I think when people are bullies, name it for what it is.
Speaker AJane, I hear you've got an issue with people being pregnant.
Speaker AHowever, that is something I'm planning to do and just so she is aware and just.
Speaker AYeah, suck it up, Buttercup.
Speaker AReally is what I would say.
Speaker BIt's hard.
Speaker BLook from a small business perspective and especially in a salon environment where you are employing.
Speaker BPredominantly women of a childbearing age who are life planning.
Speaker BIt is, it is hard.
Speaker BAnd you do think, oh hell, not another one.
Speaker BYou know, I've.
Speaker BAnd I can come at this as both sides with like the, the young women I employ for nannies and you know, I think it's impossible to be a nanny well for me anyway and have kids.
Speaker BWell, I think really hard, it's a really hard.
Speaker AMany make it work.
Speaker BBut yeah, it's, it's, it's hard if you, you know, if you're then going on holiday with a family for three weeks like my girls do, it doesn't work for you.
Speaker ABut can you have to wrap around exactly their kids.
Speaker BBut that is just part and parcel of employing that demographic of people.
Speaker BAnd you, you've got to understand that.
Speaker BAnd you know, I will say in jest sometimes to like now, oh, please don't have a baby and leave me but I would be thrilled for her when she gets married and has a baby and you know, I'll bloody look after it for her because she hasn't got a mum.
Speaker ABut also we need to be supporting working moms.
Speaker ABeing a working mom is the hardest thing in the world and I do believe just because we, we can in inverted commas.
Speaker AI think it's nigh on impossible emotionally and mentally.
Speaker ASo anyone that has been a.
Speaker AWe're working mums.
Speaker AIt's hard.
Speaker AYou feel Emotionally torn all the time.
Speaker ABut we're trying to work, we're trying to earn money, we're trying to, you know, raise our children at the same time.
Speaker ASo anybody that is throwing shade in that direction when we have a declining birth rate anyway, which isn't going to help any of us as we get into our golden ears, he's gonna wipe off talk.
Speaker ABut it's awful.
Speaker AI think it's so disgusting to be so discriminatory over women.
Speaker AThis.
Speaker AThis woman's got a issue because of her own thing and she's projecting it on you.
Speaker AStand up, ladies.
Speaker AThis is your rights.
Speaker AYou're allowed to have a baby, you're allowed to work.
Speaker AThere is legislation in place to help support you on that.
Speaker AAnd you need to just own that girl.
Speaker ADon't let it you be brown as well.
Speaker BYou are well within your rights.
Speaker BI know that Anna says tackle it head on.
Speaker BIf you don't feel brave enough, which.
Speaker AYou might not, you are well within.
Speaker BYour rights, guys, not to tell your employer that you're pregnant.
Speaker BI think until it's something like maybe you're 20 weeks.
Speaker AI think you're right.
Speaker A20.
Speaker BOften you don't show until you're 20.
Speaker BYou know, people like to think they do and they stick their tummy out and bloody caress it.
Speaker BThere's no bump there, you know, normal.
Speaker AI will just say, though, caveat to that because.
Speaker AJust because in, in it depends what industry you're in.
Speaker ABecause, like, if there's an industry that has risk assessment and stuff, because.
Speaker BYeah, but in a salon on reception, you will not be, you will not have to tell your employer about that pregnancy until you're 20 weeks and you don't need all that stress and the risk of miscarrying again.
Speaker BAre you going to fact check me there?
Speaker BAm I?
Speaker BIt is.
Speaker CYou must tell your employer you're pregnant no later than the 15th week before your baby's due.
Speaker BSo that is really late.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker CSo like 30 weeks.
Speaker B35 weeks.
Speaker CNo, 25 weeks.
Speaker B25 weeks.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBut the thing is, you know, don't have the stress of potentially telling her whilst you're still in that risk stage prior to 12 weeks where you could miscarry.
Speaker BBecause what's happened now is you've obviously had a really awful loss and I'm really sorry about that, but you actually didn't need all that stress and that you didn't have to tell her.
Speaker BIf you feel a bit sick, you feel sick, call him bloody sick.
Speaker BYeah, call in sick.
Speaker BExercise.
Speaker BYou're right.
Speaker BAnd if you Just get statutory sick pay, will you?
Speaker BJust get statutory.
Speaker AI'm sick, I'm sick of miscarriage, baby loss, pregnancy being minimized.
Speaker AI really am like just because it happens obviously all the time but also it is a huge deal for the person that's going through it.
Speaker AIt's huge.
Speaker BBut you have to remember we, we do find out now that we're pregnant, like the Internet, we're bloody pregnant.
Speaker BWhich isn't, wasn't regular or normal in past times.
Speaker BYou find out about that because of science and all this and good, really good first response.
Speaker AWe're all paying on a stick within a day.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BBut actually a lot of pregnancies do end in miscarriage because that, for whatever reason that, that, that cellular structure is not compatible with life.
Speaker BAnd so you.
Speaker AIt's very common.
Speaker AMr.
Speaker BIt's so common.
Speaker BI don't know the rates but it's, it's.
Speaker BWhat are the miscarriages?
Speaker AThere are, there's like one in, it's.
Speaker BQuite high one in five or something but you know, so stop telling people the instant you get pregnant as well.
Speaker BWait till you're at that 12 week stage because there's so much risk prior to that.
Speaker BSo listen, you don't apologize having a baby.
Speaker BIt's your family, your thing, have that baby.
Speaker BDid you look at the miscarriage rates there we were just talking about.
Speaker CYes, I did.
Speaker CIt says.
Speaker CHalf, 50% of adults in the UK said that they or someone they know have experienced pregnancy or baby loss.
Speaker CIt's estimated that early miscarriages happen to ten to twenty in a hundred of pregnancies.
Speaker CYeah, it's a lot isn't 10 to 20%.
Speaker CAnd it's estimated that second trimester loss or late miscarriage happens to 3 to 4% of pregnancies.
Speaker BThat's quite, that's higher than I thought.
Speaker AAnd I think that's.
Speaker AI'm, I'm so protective of women.
Speaker AI'm sick of and tired of people just being.
Speaker ASo you go forth have your baby unapologetically you do you honey.
Speaker BYou're not going to know that women in a few years.
Speaker ASo stop her off.
Speaker BRight, we've got another message from anon.
Speaker BSo flick my bean.
Speaker AI thought I'd write in a T about my daughter's nativity play from last year.
Speaker AOh, here we go.
Speaker APlease keep me anon purely for the funny name.
Speaker ANow we struck gold last year.
Speaker AMy little angel was going to be Mary.
Speaker ABig moment, Huge massive honor.
Speaker AWe took the day off work, charged the phone, told every relative who've ever Showed mild interest in her existence.
Speaker AYou are my person, babes.
Speaker AWe're all packed in the school hall, sweating in our coats.
Speaker AThe lights go down, the angels.
Speaker AMints on.
Speaker AOh, the angels on.
Speaker AJoseph is wearing the classic tea towel, all very cute.
Speaker AThen it's my big girl's big moment.
Speaker AShe walks on with her little blue robe, carrying the baby Jesus doll.
Speaker AI'm already tearing up, I'm thinking this is it.
Speaker AThis is the motherly pride they talk about.
Speaker AI've been there, I'm with you.
Speaker AAnd then my darling daughter stops center stage, lifts up the baby like in the Lion King and announces in her loudest possible voice, this is baby Jesus, good on track.
Speaker AHe was born in a stable.
Speaker ADaddy told me he's not real, but I think he is.
Speaker AI borned him.
Speaker AShe's only gone off book.
Speaker ASend help.
Speaker AI shot daggers at my husband.
Speaker AShe proceeds to turn to Joseph, sweet little five year old Liam, and shouts, oh, you aren't my baby Jesus, daddy.
Speaker AGod is.
Speaker AAnd she fell to the floor doing that praise bow thing.
Speaker AWhen you're on your knees waving your arms up and down like salaam salam.
Speaker AIt was full EastEnders drama.
Speaker AThe teachers in the wings were scrabbling and gesturing for her to shut up and the audience was in hysterics.
Speaker AI couldn't stop staring, mouth open at her.
Speaker AWhere the hell had she got this from?
Speaker AYeah, you know it.
Speaker AShe then stood, stood, loudly shushed the.
Speaker ALoudly shushed the entire hall and started singing the Virgin Mary had a baby boy in her loudest, most practiced voice.
Speaker AI don't think this was meant to happen.
Speaker AFrom the looks from the start, babes, this kid is my kind of girl.
Speaker ABut the rest of the school joined in.
Speaker AAt this point, I've slid so far down my chair, I'm basically under the chair.
Speaker AOther parents are crying with laughter.
Speaker AThe teacher finally moved things along.
Speaker ABut as Mary sits down in the stable, her robe gets caught hearted at the back and she accidentally.
Speaker AMooned the whole front row.
Speaker AThis kid needs a bafta, guys.
Speaker AFull ass, no pants, no pants.
Speaker AI shot a second dagger at my husband who'd got her dress that morning and I hid for the rest of the performance that dad is getting it in the ass.
Speaker AI have never packed up my belongings and left the room faster than I did that day.
Speaker AMy daughter has never been prouder of herself.
Speaker AWe've brought her up with such an ignorant confidence and it's a win, isn't it?
Speaker AIt is, yeah.
Speaker AI'm thinking drama school might be for her.
Speaker ALove you girls.
Speaker AI Hope I've given you a festive giggle.
Speaker AOh, you have.
Speaker ACan't wait to hear all the other Lufanians Christmas stories.
Speaker AIt's my favorite time of year.
Speaker ALove that.
Speaker AI can only pray that Elle does this next week.
Speaker BWell, listen, please get your Nativity stories and all your other guff into us.
Speaker BYou can email us Luanna at.
Speaker BYou can also drop us a WhatsApp on 07452 double six 947.
Speaker BAnd whilst we're here doing memos, please, if you're looking for Christmas gifts, don't forget there are very few sprinkling of tickets left for our Luana the party.
Speaker BIt's next year, but it's near enough sold out.
Speaker BBut there's still a few left.
Speaker BSo if you're looking for Christmas presents for a fellow Lufanian, do check tickets out.
Speaker BThey are@everythingluana.com.
Speaker ARight, newsy bits.
Speaker ANow this is an interesting one and I have seen this lady, Georgina Cox, crying her eyes out, bless her heart, on Tick Tock.
Speaker ASweaty Betty, we all know Sweaty Betty, the fitness brand, I think I'm wearing their leggings right now, has offered four grand.
Speaker BYou might be boycotting after this.
Speaker AMaybe four.
Speaker A£4,000 for slogan.
Speaker AWhat was the thing, Lucary?
Speaker BShe had a slogan.
Speaker ASlogan for slogan use and science.
Speaker ASo a personal trainer who has a good couple of hundred thousand thousand followers has revealed that the active wear brand Sweaty Betty has offered her a settlement of £4,000 over a slogan dispute if she agreed to not challenge it any further for the firm to be able to use it and indeed if she was to agree to keep the deal confidential.
Speaker ASo this lady is called Georgina Cox.
Speaker ASome of you may follow her.
Speaker AAnd she basically coined the phrase where the damn shoulder shorts.
Speaker BWell, did she?
Speaker BBecause I'm not being funny, it's a bit like of a general phrase.
Speaker BIt's like where the d. You know, people have been saying that for years.
Speaker BI would not say.
Speaker BI would not credit her with coining this phrase.
Speaker ANow, I think that's a really good point to tear up because I'm with you.
Speaker BHowever, what else do we say?
Speaker BWear the damn.
Speaker AEat the damn cake.
Speaker BYeah, wear the damn dress.
Speaker BOr like.
Speaker BIt's a very common thing.
Speaker BShe can't blanket this phrase.
Speaker ASo, so, so I'm with you, but let's go on with this because you should be like, well, no, but with you.
Speaker AHowever, though Sweaty Betty had approached her a couple of years ago when it first came out, because it did go viral.
Speaker AIt went on it.
Speaker AIt was Quite synonymous with her, because all the new, you know, loose women.
Speaker AAnd it was a very big, viral moment for her.
Speaker AWear the damn shorts.
Speaker ABut Sweaty Betty then approached her and said, we love your slogan.
Speaker ADo we have your permission to use it in our advertising campaign?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker ASo essentially she did so.
Speaker ASo she was like, thank you very much.
Speaker AYes, you can use my.
Speaker AMy slogan.
Speaker AThat's fine.
Speaker AWe'll pay you a little fee to say thank you for using their thing.
Speaker AThey've gone on to do it for a few years in a row.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd then essentially, she's.
Speaker AThey've gone to do it again this year, and then they.
Speaker AThey haven't paid her.
Speaker ASo this is where she's taken umbrage with it.
Speaker AAnd she's gone, well, hang on a minute.
Speaker AWhy are you now not paying me to use my.
Speaker BSo in 2020, she came up with the phrase 2023.
Speaker BShe was approached by Sweaty Bitty Marketing, who said they were planning a campaign with similar messaging as you'll wear the damn shorts post a few years ago.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BShe said that they paid her three and a half grand to promote it and use it.
Speaker BSweaty Betty contacted her again the following year, which is 2024, before its new campaign contacted her again.
Speaker BAnd then she says, the third year, which will be this year.
Speaker BThey just admitted me, didn't know it was happening.
Speaker BI was hurt.
Speaker BThey didn't reach out to me.
Speaker BThey're meant to care about women, support them.
Speaker BShe sent them a legal letter that.
Speaker BAnd basically.
Speaker ASo she sent them a cease to this letter.
Speaker BAnd then.
Speaker AAnd then it's all gone quiet now, I think, to your point, Luke, because first of all, I was thinking, oh, come on, you know, how can anyone kind of, you know, take ownership over these things?
Speaker ABut I feel that actually, and I don't know, this is just my opinion, but if Sweaty Betty.
Speaker AIf that was the case, why would Sweaty Betty have made an active point of saying, initially, we love your slogan.
Speaker AMay we use it?
Speaker AYes, you may.
Speaker AWell get.
Speaker AGive you some money.
Speaker ALovely.
Speaker ANext year.
Speaker AWe love your slogan again, please can we pay to use it?
Speaker AYes, you can.
Speaker AAnd then the next you just go, it.
Speaker AWe're just going to use it anyway.
Speaker ASo for me, I feel that the company has almost admitted that it wasn't their slogan, because why would you have paid her in the first place if you felt, do you know what we all say?
Speaker AEat the damn cake, wear the damn shorts.
Speaker AYou'd go, it.
Speaker AIt's not yours.
Speaker AI'm just going to use it.
Speaker ASo I think that for Me is where this feels a bit acknowledged.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ASo I think, for me, that is the rub here of did they acknowledge.
Speaker BInitially it was hers or she is a fitness influencer and they are sweaty better.
Speaker AAnd did they want to just affiliate?
Speaker BSo did they just want to affiliate with her?
Speaker BAnd, you know, so she says, oh, they asked me to use.
Speaker BIt could have just been like, we're acknowledging.
Speaker BYou're doing this body positivity with this message.
Speaker BWe're aligned with that, too.
Speaker BCan we collaborate together?
Speaker BI think there's a difference of a collaboration together.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AVersus ownership.
Speaker BThat them saying you coined this phrase.
Speaker BWe now want to use it.
Speaker BPlease.
Speaker BI think there's a difference.
Speaker BAnd it might be that two years in a row, she fitted with their marketing, and on the third year, she didn't, and they wanted to go in a different direction.
Speaker BShe's a bit dramatic.
Speaker BShe's saying she can't sleep, her hair's falling out.
Speaker BI don't buy all that, to be honest.
Speaker BAnyway.
Speaker BI've offered her four grand as a final settlement.
Speaker ABut I would say, though, I mean, I. I'm with you.
Speaker AIt does sound quite dramatic.
Speaker ABut then what I would say is if you have.
Speaker AHave really, you know, because I was watching her tick tocks as well on it.
Speaker AAnd.
Speaker AAnd this really did catapult a lot of her brand, you know, forwards when she had this.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo when you are so emotionally invested in your own growth, your own business.
Speaker AAnd I do get it, and you and I will know if you were.
Speaker BShe should have copyrighted that phrase.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BAnd I get she's just.
Speaker BOh, this little single influencer.
Speaker BBut everybody started off somewhere as a single person.
Speaker BJeff Bezos started Amazon in his garage.
Speaker BSo anyone with any business nuance, not even that regular people on the street, know that copyright exists and trademark exists.
Speaker BWe've done it with Luana.
Speaker BSo, you know, it's a bit like if she was so protective of that phrase when she coined it and it went viral in 2020, she should have trademarked that.
Speaker BShe should have copyrighted it to her.
Speaker BThen she wouldn't have had all these problems.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd I just think that.
Speaker BAnd, you know, Sweaty Betty said it absolutely right.
Speaker BWell, none of us has exclusive legal rights to this phrase.
Speaker BWe've always aimed to respect Mrs. Cox's association with it, which is basically them nodding that she was a fitness influencer.
Speaker BShe was using this.
Speaker BThat.
Speaker BThat.
Speaker BThat aligns with.
Speaker AReally.
Speaker AReally what?
Speaker AThis is what I meant to do.
Speaker BHave her on the way for 10 years.
Speaker AWell, I was gonna say what, 15 years, what this has come down to off Georgina.
Speaker ABut what does it come down to?
Speaker AHas, has been.
Speaker AIt's been in good faith all the way along.
Speaker AIt's been in good faith and, and.
Speaker BAnd she's taken it and now it's, oh, I own it.
Speaker AWell, and that.
Speaker ABut to your point, if this was more than just in good faith, that should have had a more concrete street outline with it and saying we need some more formal, you know, ring fence.
Speaker AI mean, you and I will know, as you say, there's a lot we've, we've copyrighted and locked down a lot of Luana stuff because when we first started, people were starting to nick our name and use our name and it is basically our actual names, Louisa and Anna in our title.
Speaker ASo, so obviously we don't want people using our names because we don't want to be aligned with some things that we might not agree with, you know, so that's protecting our business.
Speaker ABut equally, there's a lot that we do do that.
Speaker AI mean, no one's reinventing the wheel here.
Speaker AThere's a lot we do on our instas, a lot we do in our content.
Speaker AContent which you'll see many other people doing, because everybody crosses over.
Speaker AEverybody is kind of.
Speaker AIt's even what I do in my, you know, with all of my, you know, life coaching, so.
Speaker ALife coaching stuff, you know, the same.
Speaker BThey just present it differently.
Speaker AExactly.
Speaker ABut, you know.
Speaker ABut you're right, Mel Robbins, Tony Robbins, you know, all of these big thought leaders, they all come from fundamental principles of nlp, of psychology, of psychotherapy.
Speaker AEveryone just packages it differently and has their new take on it.
Speaker ASo I think, I think, I feel for the girl, but I think they should have had this a lot more formally outlined.
Speaker AWell, the problem is going to be.
Speaker BAn issue, I imagine they can't formally outline it because if they could have got that phrase copyrighted trademark, you can bet your bottom dollar, Sweaty Betty would have done it.
Speaker BAnd they haven't been able to do it either.
Speaker BAnd exactly that when they say, well, none of us has exclusive legal rights to this phrase because it's a term of words that you cannot.
Speaker BI can bet.
Speaker BI don't know.
Speaker BI haven't looked into this.
Speaker BIt's.
Speaker BThey will not be able to copyright or trademar words together because it's too.
Speaker ACommonly, too commonly used.
Speaker BSo, you know, Georgina needs to get over it now.
Speaker BRight?
Speaker BWe've talked for a while, so let's move on to.
Speaker BIt's the widow of the week.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AFirst up Anonymous.
Speaker ASo we'll fill you up.
Speaker AWe'll fill up.
Speaker AHighly.
Speaker ALove the pod.
Speaker AI'm nominating my partner for weird of the week after catching him doing something weird.
Speaker AHe wipes his butt after taking a shy.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker APuts the shitty tissue.
Speaker AOh, mate, this is Ming.
Speaker AOnly a man would do this, I'm assuming.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker APuts us to his nostrils and smells the on the tissue before putting it down the toilet and flushing it.
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AWhy?
Speaker AI think we're all asking that question.
Speaker AHope it makes the pot of weirdo.
Speaker BThat is right.
Speaker AIt's disgusting.
Speaker BThat Lottie.
Speaker BWho's next?
Speaker BCannot be weirder than that.
Speaker AI mean, that's disgusting.
Speaker BSays hi lo Animo.
Speaker BI only started to listen to the pot a few months ago.
Speaker BCurrently working my way through the back catalog whilst listening to the weekly Monday and Thursday episodes.
Speaker BSafe to say I'm loving it, but wanted to write in with an is it weird?
Speaker BSo I get quite a few thick black hairs that grow around my nipples and I like to save them up until maybe There are about 10 and I pluck them all out, line them up on a piece of paper to see what one is the winner for being the longest.
Speaker AI'd quite enjoy this.
Speaker BIt's my own secret game and I love it.
Speaker CIt.
Speaker BSometimes I'll find.
Speaker BSometimes I'll find ad.
Speaker AWell, sometimes I'll find an add in.
Speaker BOh, sometimes I find an add in from some of the long hairs from my snail trail below my belly button.
Speaker BThey sometimes win as they grow fast.
Speaker BAm I the only one who does this?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BComing to the big party in London next year.
Speaker AI don't do this.
Speaker AI don't.
Speaker AI'm.
Speaker AI'm very fair.
Speaker AI'm very blonde and don't have a lot of.
Speaker BYou don't get hairy nipples?
Speaker AThe old hairy nipples.
Speaker BWell, I wonder if it's because when I had a uplift, you know, they take your nipple off, don't they?
Speaker BAnd then they lift your boobs and then they put your nipple back on.
Speaker BAnd I'm wondering if I don't have hairy nipples because of that.
Speaker ABut if you did, could you relate?
Speaker BYou don't get hairy nipples.
Speaker ADo you know what?
Speaker AI. I can't relate to the hair, but I do like to squeeze a little bit of colostrum out of my right tit, which I can still do.
Speaker AStill got it, babies.
Speaker BI used to be able to do that.
Speaker AStill got it, right?
Speaker AYou're weird.
Speaker BThat is really gross, right?
Speaker AIt's really gross, Lou.
Speaker AIt is that time of the week.
Speaker AWhen have you got A rant for us.
Speaker BWell, I've got a short run and I sent this in to you both actually.
Speaker BGo on about rubbernecking.
Speaker AAll right, lovely.
Speaker BSo basically I was on my way to the dentist last week and put it in my second satnav.
Speaker BI'm all ready to go.
Speaker BWell, I was 20 minutes late for the dentist.
Speaker BAnd do you know why?
Speaker BThere was an accident.
Speaker BNot on my side of the road, on the other side of the road.
Speaker BAnd all the sick bastard sadist racism people are slowing down to look at what's gone on.
Speaker BIt just fucks me off.
Speaker BWhy rubberneck?
Speaker BLike our side didn't need to slow down yet.
Speaker BEveryone's snowing down.
Speaker AThere was an accident.
Speaker AHere, Ian, let's have a look.
Speaker BHaving a good old look.
Speaker AOh, have they got him?
Speaker BReally pissed me right off.
Speaker AMade you late.
Speaker BMade me late.
Speaker ARubber necking equals late equals.
Speaker ADon't do it.
Speaker BJust don't rubber.
Speaker BJust carry on in your journey.
Speaker BStay in your lane, drive forwards and no one's ever gonna crash anywhere.
Speaker ARant.
Speaker ALove that, particularly this time of year.
Speaker BThat people crash on motorways.
Speaker BI just feel like you're in a straight lane.
Speaker BJust stop crashing straight.
Speaker BLook for a gap if you want to overtake or move over and move the over.
Speaker BLike I don't understand when you're driving in a straight line how you crash.
Speaker AUnless it's someone that is like weaves in and then like cuts someone up and then a crash happens like that.
Speaker AI'm assuming that's how a crash happens.
Speaker ABut.
Speaker BBut it's just annoying.
Speaker BOkay, yeah, just get off.
Speaker AWe all see the, the sign of doom when the X goes up and.
Speaker BWe'Re like, ah, no, but rubbernecking, there's no excuse.
Speaker AThere's not, there's not.
Speaker AGood rant, Lou.
Speaker AThat is it, peeps.
Speaker ADon't worry.
Speaker AOf course you're back every single Monday.
Speaker AYou don't have to wait until then though.
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Speaker AHappy Christmas.
Speaker BGas methane poisoning.