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welcome to the 6 figure Business Mastery podcast

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where every week Kirsten and Genie

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dive into the essential topics to fuel your business

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tune in for expert guest interviews on all things

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and learn how to work on your business

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not just in it so

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get ready to unlock your business potential

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and take it to the next level

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think writing a book is just for authors

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our guest today will show you how self publishing

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can unlock credibility

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clients and unexpected opportunities without the stress

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so today I wanna welcome Angela Jameson

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from Angela Jameson Group to our podcast

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it's lovely having you Angela

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thank you so much for having me

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it's great to be here well

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we're excited my first question for you is

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tell me a little bit about how this book came about

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what took you in on this journey of writing a book

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and then helping others do the same

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right

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so I have had this book idea in my brain for decades

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but my background is engineering

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and so I had an international engineering career

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and I remember telling one of my colleagues

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over 20 years ago the title of my book

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and that's how long it's been festering

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and I think a lot of people are similar

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that they have a book inside of them

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or they think like

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it wouldn't it be great to publish a book

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so

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but I always think everything works in perfect timing

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and with my book it enabled me to collect more stories

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because life just throws us more stories

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so as I went through my engineering career

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also was popping out kids

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and when I moved back home

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and we decided to move back to Canada

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to raise our children

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I knew I had to pivot into something else

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because my

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specialty of engineering wasn't in my hometown

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so I finally decided when Covid hit

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I was like you this is a perfect time to write my book

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so I went joined a publishing house writers group

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and they taught me all about writing to get an agent

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all about the traditional publishing process

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about vanity publishers where you can

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pay someone a lot of money to publish your book

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and also I got to start to know about self publishing

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but didn't really look into that at that time

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because I thought I'll just get this publisher

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this publisher's gonna see that my book is amazing

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I'm gonna win the contest

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and they're gonna publish me and I smooth sailing well

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I entered the contest twice

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and so that's like two writing sessions

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and I did not get picked

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I wasn't even on the shortlist so I was like

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how am I going to get this published

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and when I looked into traditional publishing

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the lead time is like when you finish your manuscript

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they might not publish it for two years

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there's just such a long process

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so I decided to take a self publishing course

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that I saw pop up on Facebook

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cause I guess how our phones read our minds

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and I bought the course

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and Learned how to self publish through there

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so under a pen name I've got over 20 titles

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they're fiction

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so I ended up I'm an accidental fiction writer

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but through that course I became a six figure

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publisher in terms of those fiction books

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so I was having so much fun because I told my husband

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I'm just gonna learn the process

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and then I'm gonna get out and write my book

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but I did it for almost two years

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because I was having so much fun

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and then on a birthday I was like

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what am I doing I'm supposed to be doing my own book

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so I stopped doing that and I I just put my head down

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put all the stories

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that I had collected over the years

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organized it and then I was able to publish it

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so from last Christmas I published

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I started really putting things together in earnest

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and then I published in may

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but I could include stories that happened in April

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because I self published I

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I had full control and it was total

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the fastest speed to publishing that you could do

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so the book

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has opened up so many speaking opportunities for me

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in terms of podcasting thank you for having me here

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which increases my audience

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but also doing public speaking

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so it increases your street cred as an entrepreneur

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and because I also know how to make it a bestseller

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from my self publishing course

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it's a bestseller

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it might have been a bestseller for just a few days

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or a week

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but at least I can still have that title on my book

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so it's kind of just knowing the backroom

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goings on of publishing and self publishing

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what you need to do

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that can really up your anti as a entrepreneur

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especially if you wanna speak

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and there's so many people who say

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I'm a best selling author

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that you just gotta be something to it

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so that's sort of my long story haha

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oh I love that

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what I mean on average

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what's the cost for someone to self publish a book

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well the cost is mostly your time in writing it

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there are courses now that are AI driven

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but it's kind of like using AI with social media

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I just think we're supposed to use social

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media for connection so if we're all fake connecting

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what kind of connection is that

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so I really encourage people to be themselves

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write their book use their voice

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we don't need a whole bunch of chat

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GPT books out there

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and that does take the majority of the time

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the impact in terms of cost there's covers

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you can really get some low good quality

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low cost covers now you can pay for an editor

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the editors they range in in cost

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but there's also a lot of different kinds of editing

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whether it's a you want someone to shape your book

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or you want

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just someone to check that you've got your grammar

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right all the grammar and the spelling

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it's kind of taken up by our word processors anyway

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they'll flag that this doesn't really sound right

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so a lot of the last polishing

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you can choose to spend either a few hundred

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or a few thousand dollars on an editor

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but that's the big cost

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putting it into Amazon is completely free

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if you want more publicity

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I've got a way where you build up

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if you have an email list

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that really helps on your launch

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but you can also use ads

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so it depends really on your budget

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what you wanna spend

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but if you don't care

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and you just want to get a book out there

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then it can be almost free

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I do recommend a professionally designed cover

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because you can look through Amazon

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you go oh

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it's really easy to see that

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so I do recommend a professional cover

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I love that okay

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before we go any further

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you have to tell us what the name of your book is

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we haven't even got one I don't know

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so this is my book using No. 2 to get to No. 1

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the shockingly insightful full of crap self help book

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I love it I saw it on your website

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I thought

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this is gonna be a really fun conversation today

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oh my gosh and I'm having so much fun with it

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because it's not poop jokes

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it's actually really deep

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and the reason why I love using the digestive system

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is because people say oh

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who's your book for and it's like anyone who eats

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digests and poops so basically

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you have to be alive because if you don't poop

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and you don't want to talk about it

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then you're dead cause everyone's got a poop

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that's awesome I love that

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it's funny because after you write the book

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then you have to sell the book

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and I have always said if I were to write a book

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I would go on every podcast on the planet

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while I was writing it to build up

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not wait till it was written

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I would start promoting it in the process

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then I wanna go back on those same podcast

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after it was written

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and so what do you recommend for people

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how do they how do they get it to that No. 1 bestseller

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how do you recommend that once they've self published

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you know they paid for someone else to do the cover

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it's on Amazon

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what do they do to become a No. 1 bestseller

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well there's a lot of pre work

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and I think going on podcast beforehand is a great idea

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but some people find that a little bit stressful

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because

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you're talking about something that doesn't exist

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and what if it doesn't happen

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and then you just feel this is too stressful

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but the easiest way is to have an email list

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so if you don't have one

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a lot of what people do is you create a little teaser

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so like a PDF

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download something that leads to your book

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something that's on the subject of your book

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and you give that away through social media

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you just advertise your freebie

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get people onto your email list

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and you slowly build that up

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even getting 200 people interested in your book

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and who will buy it on launch day

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that can make you an instant bestseller

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there are certain categories

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where you don't need to compete

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with the giants of the world

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for instance Mel Robins

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who is a huge voice in personal development

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she's already got her name

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she already has a billion like okay

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probably five books out and she's got a huge audience

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so the second she launched her new book

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it was an instant bestseller across the board

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whereas

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we are looking to be a bestseller on a certain list

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so you don't need the millions of sales that she gets

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in order to be a bestseller

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do you typically help people who are business owners

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and are using it to move their business forward

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whether they offer it for free or people buy it

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or do you work with consumers who are interested

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like you always had a book inside or both

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I do both so I

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and actually plus more

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I'm helping fiction writers

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because I accidentally wrote fiction

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in my self publishing so

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I'm kind of

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aware of all of the different styles of books

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my book using No. 2 to get to No. 1

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has so many personal stories in there

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that it's almost memoirish as well

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so there's been people approaching me

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who want to write their memoirs

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and I'm like yeah

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for sure they don't actually want to be a best seller

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they just want to leave it for their children

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and for it to be available for a lifetime

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just because you publish a book

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doesn't mean you have to sell it

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you can just a lot of people

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just want to have that book in their hands

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so I can deal with the whole gamut of people

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the whole what you want to do with it

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if you just want a book on your shelf

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or if you want to use it as a tool

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2 six figures that's fantastic

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and what are some of the ways like

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so most of our clients are business owners right

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right and a lot of them do want to have more public

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speaking opportunities so

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when you think about a business owner

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who is writing their book

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ideally to build authority in their space

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into land speaking engagements

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what do you recommend as far as

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you know

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how do they promote that book for those purposes

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or are there any tips about how to write a book

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with the intention of building a business

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or speaking gigs would that be a little bit different

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well I think you need to have a very catchy hook

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so you need to catch people off guard

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so in some ways

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like my book is kind of what you're talking about

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what you know so that's kind of fun

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and it can also branch into so many different speeches

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in terms of let's just have more fun with our lives

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or what the gut can tell you

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so that's good for for instance

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like a yogurt company conference or fiber bars

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all of that you just gotta think about

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what audience can I attract with my message

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what is my personal expertise

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and how can I package it in a way that is sellable

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or interesting so it's

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what I'm finding a lot that's hooking people is

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if you can find a contrarian idea

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for instance what I've been doing lately

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everyone's talking about boundaries

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but my thing is never have boundaries

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so a lot of my social media posts that I talk about

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like ditch the boundaries

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that tends to get people's interest

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because they're like

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but everyone's telling me to have boundaries

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so why are you telling me to ditch it

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so it's finding that hook that people will be like

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I wanna find out more and that will help sell your book

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but also sell your talking yeah

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it's interesting cause my mind starts racing

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because we focus on

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so much on helping our clients outsource

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it's ridiculous

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to be a solopreneur and do everything on your own right

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and so I was just thinking about that genie

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like maybe saying something like oh

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you should absolutely

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do everything in your business on your own right

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yeah or

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or you should never hire a virtual assistant yeah

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are you a total slacker

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incapable of doing everything yourself

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like you know

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something like really not not nice

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but yeah like so but I think for a lot of women

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it is hard because their identity is so tied up in

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doing everything for themselves

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so it would kind of be a very sarcastic title

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but yeah

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so once they have the book and all of that written

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are there any really cool ways to market it

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and you said ads we talked about guesting on podcast

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are there some interesting other ways

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that you've thought about to to market your books yeah

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well my daughter is in engineering and she's a student

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and she had a summer job where they had a 3d printer

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so she has designed 3d poops for me hahaha oh

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that's hilarious and so

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I just bought some magnets on Amazon

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and made them into fridge magnets

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okay and so

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what I did was I printed out a little slip that says

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you carry this tiny turd of wisdom

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it's No. 2 in shape but it helps you become No.

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1 by reminding you to let shit go

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and then a QR code where people can scan oops

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too much light to get to the Amazon page

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and a bit a little square of double sided tape

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and I stick it on

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and I just leave them wherever I'm going oh

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I love it that is so funny

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so yeah that's you have such a great sense of humor

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is do you kind of approach like that as a whole

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yeah for sure

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and it branches out from my original coaching

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that I'm a digital entrepreneur

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I I run a a digital course called Relaxed Productivity

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and I run a membership from that as well

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and that is trying to help the busy professional

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see the logic in chilling out and having more fun

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because it actually makes you more productive

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so my membership and I we always challenge

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each other to do things that create joy

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and it's not always the big things

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of course achieving

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writing a book that I've had in my mind for decades

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is huge but also wearing a pair of fun socks is fun

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it's whatever sparks that joy in your day

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will really get your creative juices flowing

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will get you finding solutions faster

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when you're not stuck in the heaviness of a problem

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you go for a walk and voila

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the solution dawns on you

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when your mind is just relaxed and wandering

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so my group is a bunch of high powered corporate people

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usually busy professionals

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and we only talk twice a month

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but it's just that little insertion of joy

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that they say they look forward to every two weeks

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so that's kind of how my book ties in

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or how I have tied it in because of course

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it existed in my brain long before my digital business

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because I was engineering at the time

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but it's just been so much fun that

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especially when I'm feeling like

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I don't know how to do this

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I'm starting to get into video ads

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which means I have to put myself

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out there to all these strangers

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and keyboard warriors and I just go

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what the heck I might as well

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what's gonna happen to me

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and it's just let's have fun with this

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and it allows you to consistently move forward

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people warriors I love that

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yeah keyboard yeah

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it's true well

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it's so funny when you put yourself out there

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you do risk people saying hurtful things

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but at the same time I love that saying

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what other people think about you

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is none of your business right

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so if you're have a desire to help people

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and we talk a lot with our clients about this

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if you can let your heart to serve people

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and really help them overcome your fear of criticism

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it changes everything because again

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I don't care about the person that hears a message

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that we put out there that is not for them

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and so they decide to criticize it

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it's more about like

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I want to put the message out there

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so that the right people hear it

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and it has impact in their life

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whether it just helps them learn something new

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or find a new path or a different direction

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or to think about something differently

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so it really is it is challenging

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but it's so amazing to see so many people

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stepping into the space of

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like you said creating video ads

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or starting a video podcast

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or starting a YouTube channel

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it's so awesome to see people finally understanding

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that those people behind the keyboard should not

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control what you think or what you do

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yeah

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and that's a big thing of what I tell my people is like

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don't give them space in your head

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why would you let a total stranger control your destiny

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take hold of it

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and there's a lot of weird people out there

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but also wonderful weird people

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and if they did not shine their weirdness

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we would not have like

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a buffet of beautifulness out in the world

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and the more you can shine your weirdness

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the more it gives permission to people who are scared

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to shine their weirdness

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I always find like weird is wonderful

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so let's all be weird and be yourself

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because that's the true gift we can give to the world

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I love that be weird get out there and be weird people

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that's right hahaha and have some fun

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I just love that you're you're so right

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it's always when you're not so serious about things

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and so stressed about things

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that that's when my ideas come like oh

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so then you start thinking bigger picture

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I think oh

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well maybe I could try that

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or maybe I should reach out to that person

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so I think

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incorporating humor

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and learning how to relax a little bit

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it's something that we could all

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enjoy a little bit more of yeah

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and something I tell myself

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which when I've shared with people

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people think oh

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it's really

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I should do that is when things are going really wrong

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just tell yourself

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this is gonna be a great story someday

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my survival through this crap

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and the stuff hitting the fan

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I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna be able to tell a knee slapper

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I love that well

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this has just been fantastic I think Angela

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one last thing I wanna know is

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do people come to you with a

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an idea of what their book is already

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and then do you help them

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like through the writing process

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or do you kind of come in further down the road

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they usually have an idea

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they definitely

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know what type of book they want to write

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which area whether it's for business development

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or if it's just for themselves

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or if it's fiction so they usually have that idea

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a lot of what I'm finding

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people who want to write memoirs is that they don't

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you need to have an arc in the book

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you need to have a message

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just like your business

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book can't be everything I've ever Learned in business

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and so you should learn it

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you need to have an overall

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message that people can hold on to

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even my book is a little bit like

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I've got so many personal development concepts in there

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but it's a good introduction to personal development

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through your digestive system

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but if you've got generic

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not generic but kind of your take on business

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you still have to have a tying down message

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so we do go through an exercise

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if you don't know what that is

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we will flush that out

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and then that will help create your outline

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to create the book that will sell

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instead of just a mish mash kind of book

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yeah there's a lot of mish mash going on in my head

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I'm sure there is for other people too haha

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oh we all got mish mash haha

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well Angel this has been fantastic

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so I know there are people listening who are saying wow

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I need to get into her world

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I need to find out more about how she can help me

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because I know I have a book in me

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so what is the best way for them to reach out to you

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well I'm kind of consistent mostly on LinkedIn

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but I do have my own website

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just my name Angela jamison.com and that's Jameson

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not like the whiskey it's J a m I E

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s o N and they can find all the latest news there

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I will be running a book cohort

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so you can get on the waiting list for that

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whenever it does open

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because I like to walk people through that

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beginning stage

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so that we get people to the outline stage

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and then you're just let's go

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so that's how I work that's fantastic

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I know

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there gonna be a lot of people excited about that

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so Angela thank you so much for joining us today

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thank you for making us laugh

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and telling us good stories

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I love the name of your book

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and we'll put information in the show notes

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so people can purchase your book

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so they can find your website

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and I can reach out to you on LinkedIn as well

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so yeah that's great

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thank you so much for having me

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absolutely thank you Angela

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thanks for listening to the 6 figure

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Business Mastery podcast

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if you enjoyed listening to this episode

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