[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's around

[00:00:06] Jared Grifo: the house. No. Now the other issue that we see with those, uh, those lightnings, now they have a generator built into them. Yeah. So now they can be used actually to use on your house. Sure. Will. There comes an issue with, uh, not to go over people's head, but G F C I stuff. Yeah. So you have bonded neutrals and this and that, and that actually takes a specific transfer switch that breaks the neutral, otherwise it will trip the breaker every time you go to plug it in.

[00:00:34] Jared Grifo: And we see that with a lot of professional generators out there because OSHA regulates it has to have G F C I across the entire, uh, front

[00:00:41] Eric Goranson: panel. Oh, hadn't

[00:00:41] Jared Grifo: thought of that. Yeah. So, you know, you go to plug it in. F c I doesn't get the power back to it. It says, Hey, it's somebody's getting electrocuted.

[00:00:49] Jared Grifo: Let's trip up. D fci ba. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to know though. We've got you covered. This is around the house. [00:01:00] Welcome

[00:01:01] Eric Goranson: to The Round the House Show. This is where we talk everything about your home every single week. Thanks for joining us. This is gonna be a powerful episode today,

[00:01:12] Eric Goranson: We got Jared Griffo from Power Equipment Direct. Let's talk Power today, my friend. Welcome to Around the House.

[00:01:18] Jared Grifo: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.

[00:01:20] Eric Goranson: That's gonna be a lot of fun, man. And yeah it's interesting and I'm a West coast guy, so we are now starting to deal with power generation on a whole new level out here for backup power, because I'm in the Pacific Northwest and everybody go, ha, California, you're getting your power shut off.

[00:01:36] Eric Goranson: We're all good. Until last winter when I saw our local power company, which are cool people, I'm not saying anything bad about 'em. But I saw them do a little test thing up on Mount Hood where they shut it down before a windstorm and I went, all right guys, come into a city near you. This is gonna be coming.

[00:01:52] Eric Goranson: And sure enough, we're starting to see that when the red flag conditions go, you could be, have. You could be shut down for two or three days and [00:02:00] now it's a whole different ballgame.

[00:02:01] Jared Grifo: Definitely. Yeah. We've definitely seen an uptick from the west coast with the not to name names, but the power company's just randomly shutting things down because of the wind blew a little too much or it's a little hot outside and know, and I get, and

[00:02:16] Eric Goranson: I get it from their point of view, and I relate to their point of view because they're out there doing the best they can.

[00:02:21] Eric Goranson: But you get. Firing off lawsuits because a power caused a fire. And they're like, whoa, okay. It's just like everything else with insurance companies. I see them going, okay, how are we gonna limit our liability and do that. If we didn't have crazy people suing, then we wouldn't have that stuff going on.

[00:02:37] Eric Goranson: I think they'd wanna sell me power.

[00:02:38] Jared Grifo: Yeah, I think it's a just trying to get back at the people, pursuing them bunching off, being like, Hey, we're just gonna shut off your power now and that's how we'll solve this issue. .

[00:02:49] Eric Goranson: Yep. It does solve it , but at least a lot of us hanging too.

[00:02:53] Eric Goranson: Definitely . You guys have, I wanted to get you guys on here cuz you know, we've brought on each company [00:03:00] on before in the past, but you guys have such a great select. Of generators and you go across the country, which I love. Yeah. Because we've got, we're in the Pacific Northwest here on the radio, but warehouse across the US on the radio.

[00:03:14] Eric Goranson: And then of course the podcast, we go internationally. Yeah. So we got a lot of people. I don't wanna talk about my local store down the street cuz 99% of you guys out there are gonna go, that ain't gonna help me a bit.

[00:03:24] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. No, we we can pretty much touch everybody across the us All 48 states we ship to, not Alaska or Hawaii.

[00:03:32] Jared Grifo: Yeah, we really need it. We can get you out there with a volcano going off . We'll figure out something. Exactly. . But yeah the grid's pretty rough. The Northeast is a big market it's a very old grid. Obviously Florida, Texas where you get the weather based outages and things like Texas saw that huge freeze.

[00:03:53] Jared Grifo: It was non-stop from Texas as far as business goes. Oh yeah. I wasn't selling it anywhere else. Like you wanted a generator. Sorry, I went to [00:04:00] Texas already. Exactly. Exactly. . But yeah. And then West coast with all these power outages and just the way that the grid is and general.

[00:04:09] Jared Grifo: It's becoming more of a necessity rather than a want. Yeah. And I'll tell you what my setup is at home, cuz we haven't talked about this before the show, but I've got a like. Energizer, single gas generator. It's it's I got that a few years ago. They sent it out to me to test and then I've got the manual transfer switch at the house, which it does great cuz it, my house is l e d.

[00:04:32] Eric Goranson: It's pretty efficient. I can run most of the house off it, cause I think it's like a 10.5 kw or whatever. It's on that thing. So it's big. However, the problem is when I. Power outage cuz of an ice storm for five days. I think even though things energy efficient, I used 40 gallons of gas in that thing, , which.

[00:04:52] Eric Goranson: I don't keep 40 gallons of gas around the house, so I was like, all right, I'm gonna siphon it outta the back tank of my truck. I didn't wanna have to drive for an hour to go get [00:05:00] gas and finally ended up doing that. But yeah, now I'm going, okay, I'm gonna have to put a tri in my life one day or just go automatic and and do it that way.

[00:05:08] Eric Goranson: But that's one of the issues when you just have that gas generator is that it's good for short times. But man, that was starting to get hassle, trying to find gas.

[00:05:16] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Generators primarily. Do a great job of being fuel efficient. . Yeah. Whether it's gasoline or even the standby generators. If you're looking at like propane, on average, those things are burning like two and a half gallons per hour at like half load.

[00:05:33] Jared Grifo: Yeah. So Even with a big propane tank, you really gotta calculate out how long of an outage you're planning on having . Cause you know, if it's out for a week, two days, three days it's a lot of propane and prices of fuels in general are just not great, no matter which way you cut it.

[00:05:49] Jared Grifo: Yeah, and I can't

[00:05:50] Eric Goranson: go solar cause I got trees, so it's pretty much I'm forced to go look at natural gas probably is how I'm gonna have to do it. Yeah, definitely ideal [00:06:00] natural gas. Yeah. If you have it and that's the other problem. Not everybody has that available, which that stinks if you have an all electric home, cuz then you're driving up the cost of the generator then.

[00:06:10] Jared Grifo: Absolutely. . I gotta run everything. It's, everything's electric, Absolutely.

[00:06:15] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. You guys, what I love is you guys has different brands and you guys have you. Where do you guys start out? I know you do a lot of, you've done a lot of sales and consulting with these guys for a number of years, and you're one of their experts.

[00:06:27] Eric Goranson: But where do your generators of start out? What do you guys what's some of your favorite stuff over there?

[00:06:32] Jared Grifo: It really just depends on the cus customer I, the standbys are definitely the bread and butter, amen. They're great . It's really nice.

[00:06:40] Jared Grifo: It's convenient, but that always doesn't fit into everybody's budget. Sure. I What a lot of people don't really see with those is it's a $6,000 generator and then another $6,000 to install it by a professional. Sometimes the portable's just the way you have to go, but those have the limitation.

[00:06:58] Jared Grifo: You're not gonna do any [00:07:00] real HVAC or anything with a portable generator. And if I'm in Florida, I may wanna , be able to run my hvac. It's, again, it's a necessity, not a want. Yeah. But yeah starting portable generators there's some great units out there.

[00:07:15] Jared Grifo: It's, they're really basic. I know, like you said, you have a manual switch, it really does a lot for you. Yeah. And you, a lot of people can just get by with on the flip side of that, some people just don't have the means of hooking it up or they wanna have that sense of security where maybe it's a lake house.

[00:07:32] Jared Grifo: Yeah. And I'm not gonna be there. So this generator will kick on and do its thing and I don't have to worry about it. And they've got, Fun stuff like wifi connectivity and it'll tell you if it turns on. Moving into the 21st century with all that and they're getting a lot smarter and a lot better at what they do.

[00:07:50] Eric Goranson: Yeah, that, and that's my thing. I have no problem I've got a battery powered garage door opener, so it'll back up on that. So I have no problem going over, open the garage door of the power out, [00:08:00] dragging the generator around outside, plug in the cord into the side of the house where I got it and doing that.

[00:08:05] Eric Goranson: If I'm not home and I gotta have my wife do that, I just don't wanna put her through that. Exactly. So that's always my fear. It's ah, I don't want you to carry that roll. 190 pound generator out there and put that on you in the dark. That's just not that she couldn't do it, I just don't wanna make her do it if she had

[00:08:21] Jared Grifo: to.

[00:08:21] Jared Grifo: You've got that side of it. And like I was saying, Florida, there is a bit of older people down there. They don't wanna be pulling a cord if I'm 80, 90 years old. Not saying they're not capable. No. But it's an ease, it's a convenience. Maybe just have it turn on by itself.

[00:08:37] Jared Grifo: Yeah. We let it do its thing. It's

[00:08:39] Eric Goranson: really the way to go. But for the guys out there that for the homeowners that go, man, I lose power every couple years. I just want to have something small. I just want to keep the food going. And just keep it simple. What do you recommend you guys have a lot of different brands, which I love.

[00:08:55] Eric Goranson: You guys go from Generac to Westinghouse to champion to a lot of the different [00:09:00] even the Cummins ones, which are really cool, those coming own, own one and Honda and all the big. Yeah. But where do people start out with kind of what? What would you recommend if Okay. I can't spend 12,000 bucks.

[00:09:12] Eric Goranson: Yeah. But I want to get something that's affordable and I never send them down to the home center or one of the import stores, cuz. Who knows what you're gonna

[00:09:20] Jared Grifo: get. Exactly. Starting out I really to simplify it. If you just wanna run your home, 8,000 wads will cover pretty much most of everybody.

[00:09:29] Jared Grifo: If you have an all electric home move up to 10, 12,000 and the reason you go that route is due to the outlets on them. There, there's NEMA outlets, so they're all standardized. 8,000 watts is 33 amps. It'll have a 30 amp outlet on it. Cool. So I, I can utilize all that power out of that generator if I need more.

[00:09:48] Jared Grifo: 12,000 watts is 50 amps. Yep. As a 50 amp outlet, I can utilize all that power . Yeah. So just to make it simple 8,000 watts, if you're basic, just necessities around the house. [00:10:00] If you want more, move up to 10, 12. And that'll cover your house. And there's just a plethora of generators out there that pH and you'll see most of 'em in that range due to that fact.

[00:10:11] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing too is that you and I haven't talked about this, but it's just one of the things that I'm always concerned about, man is okay, and then now people have that. F-150 or the the new truck car that they gotta charge, right? Yeah. So all of a sudden you've got, okay, cool.

[00:10:30] Eric Goranson: I don't have any power at the house, but I was really planning on plugging my car in tonight. And I don't have enough charge to get up to the supercharger or whatever, to that's out of my area to get it there. Now you're stuck trying to depend on your generator to put something in it.

[00:10:44] Eric Goranson: So you got some quote unquote fuel to get there.

[00:10:46] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Electric cars have definitely been giving me a headache. . It's nothing wrong with them. It the fact of it is if you want to use those chargers that are already built into your house, everybody has something. They might draw a little bit different power [00:11:00] here or different power there.

[00:11:01] Jared Grifo: And sizing or helping my customers size to that, it's what do you have? And they don't know unfortunately. And, yeah, I don't exclude 'em to they had somebody install it to their house, which they should. And you need a professional. And whether it's a Tesla or a Ford or this and that, they're all gonna vary. What people can do though, is a lot of those cars do have just regular electrical outlet type plugs. Sure. It takes a lot longer. Sure. But it can if you're doing it overnight, you can at least plug right into a portable and get yourself back to a supercharger or something.

[00:11:34] Jared Grifo: Exactly.

[00:11:35] Eric Goranson: You're so right about the Chargers though, man, cuz you can get those, it's like, all right it's 30 amps, but my buddy just bought a brand new one of the F-150 lightings, which in theory can back charge into the house, and he bought. Charger that goes with it, that's a 70 amp charger.

[00:11:53] Eric Goranson: It's huge. So you're not gonna just hook that up to your portable to, to do that no. You got a problem then. So [00:12:00] now you're grabbing out your level two charger or something, like you said to, to put that in there. But you're not hooking that up to a portable generator very easily.

[00:12:07] Jared Grifo: No.

[00:12:07] Jared Grifo: The other issue that we see with those those lightnings, now they have a generator built into them. Yeah. So now they can be used actually, Use on your house. Sure. There comes an issue with not to go over people's head, but G F C I stuff. Yeah. So you have bonded neutrals and this and that actually takes a specific transfer switch that breaks the neutral.

[00:12:30] Jared Grifo: Otherwise it will trip the breaker every time you go to plug it in. And we see that with a lot of professional generators out there because OSHA regulates it has to have G F C I across the entire. Front panel. Oh, hadn't thought of that. Yeah. You go to plug it in G F C I doesn't get the power back to it.

[00:12:47] Jared Grifo: Yeah. It says, Hey, it's somebody's getting electrocuted. , let's trip the G F C I. So there are special switches for that. Okay. That we do sell. But yeah, that's been a headache because. I People forgot about that. [00:13:00] Yeah. I got

[00:13:00] Eric Goranson: the art fault breakers and everything else. And so you can be really messing with a lot of different stuff.

[00:13:05] Eric Goranson: Yep. With all the new stuff. Oh dude, I hadn't even thought about that. Great culture. Yeah, I can see where that's giving you a headache cuz that's, yeah. Cuz all of a sudden you've got a whole different neutral situation going on and it's oh yeah. Great point. I And it's all newer stuff.

[00:13:20] Jared Grifo: How long have those Fords been out? I don't know. A couple years now. A year?

[00:13:24] Eric Goranson: A year now. Yeah. I They, I saw one almost a year ago, so Yeah. That's when they were first bringing it out but yeah and yeah, that's gonna be a problem. And then of course you're planning on with the Ford and I love the thing, don't get me wrong, that's a super cool truck.

[00:13:40] Eric Goranson: Yeah. I wouldn't mind having one in my driveway. But you're also assuming that you pulled it home and it was fully. Yeah. , if you came home going, oh man, I've been all over the place today. I gotta get that thing. Oh, there goes the power.

[00:13:51] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. It's a good job site thing running new tools, this and that.

[00:13:55] Jared Grifo: That's awesome. But for back feeding your home, eh? [00:14:00] Sir. In a pinch. In a pinch. That's what, I don't know if I'd set it up for that,

[00:14:05] but,

[00:14:05] Eric Goranson: yeah. Yeah, it I've heard here's the other thing I heard from people in the RV world out there. The RV campsites are having a problem now with people going out camping.

[00:14:15] Eric Goranson: Because they're bringing the trucks out there. They didn't set the electricity up in the campsites to charge electric vehicle. So they're taking these maybe 20 amp setups and plugging in 30 chargers and either burning stuff up or kicking breakers off. And there's been a lot of issues talking to people in the RV world that are taking out their that are towing around the Tesla, or they got towing the electric vehicle around that. They go plug it in at the campsite and it's taken the whole campsite.

[00:14:44] Jared Grifo: Oh my gosh. Yeah, I haven't I do a lot with we do onboard RV generators. The, Oh yeah. Common down in one. And those have just, they got hit pretty hard with covid and everything, and production delays.

[00:14:56] Jared Grifo: Oh. People were buying RVs with no generator [00:15:00] on them that need a generator, , and they're waiting years for those Oh, yeah. To come out. But yeah, I couldn't imagine that. I never thought. Having to charge your vehicle is gonna take down a whole grid and people are trying to enjoy their weekend.

[00:15:13] Eric Goranson: Exactly. Yeah. It's wild. So how are you guys doing on inventory and stuff too? I just wanna ask that question cuz I know we've had hurricanes now. We had covid, we've had all the different I know everybody's here tired of hearing about the supply chain issues, but they were real.

[00:15:29] Eric Goranson: Yeah. You guys been doing pretty good on getting stuff back in.

[00:15:32] Jared Grifo: Surprisingly. Yeah. Awesome. It seems like most of the major brands out there we sell everything we sell or at least for standbys, Generac, Kohler, yeah. Briggs, Cummins the big major brands. And they're all doing actually pretty well on the, they're more popular items.

[00:15:48] Jared Grifo: I would say. Some of the bigger units when you get into the more, the commercial? Yeah. Those are taking a little bit longer to get out. There's EPA restrictions, things like that, that they're running into [00:16:00] on top of the production delays. Forgot about that. . Yeah.

[00:16:04] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Sorry. California

[00:16:06] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. But, and that, that's actually one of 'em. We do have specific generators that have to ship into California. They have to have like catalytic converters on 'em. And this is for even propane and natural gas. Oh, so

[00:16:20] Eric Goranson: brutal. Yeah. Brutal . Yeah. I could see where that's an issue. And of course, so you're building special ones for California?

[00:16:26] Eric Goranson: They're buying 'em up because of the power grid issues they have down there. Okay. Yeah, I get it. What's the most common size of let's jump over into standbys a little bit because I know people see 'em, but I don't think they really understand how that all works. They're a great unit that you can slam in there next to your house.

[00:16:45] Eric Goranson: But you gotta sit there, like you said, we gotta put a concrete pad in, now you gotta hook in natural gas or whatever fuel source you're going to be using. And then hook it into your service and stuff. So yeah, you can spend. Starting about what, six grand on a unit, and then you [00:17:00] probably double that for install?

[00:17:02] Jared Grifo: Yeah. On average it's you can get into some of the smaller units if you're just trying to get by with again, lights, refrigerator, things like that. Maybe three or four grand. But generally we're Americans, we want the biggest and the baddest out there, . Why not Guilty is charged.

[00:17:20] Eric Goranson: I I'm the same way. If I'm gonna go spend six or eight grand on one, I'm gonna pay 10 and have it do everything. Exactly. You're while you're at it, it's, you've already made the decision to do it. I just couldn't see going in and going I'm gonna get this. No man, just have it.

[00:17:35] Eric Goranson: So you know, you're watching the game and the game's still on, yeah. Just, you don't have to mess with that at that point. That's the whole Roy, that's the whole reason of getting that it's true. Is to power everything. Yeah. The average customer is probably buying something in the 20,000 to 24, 20 6,000 watt.

[00:17:53] Jared Grifo: Yeah, right around there. That's that. Pretty much where we stay. Again, the lower wattages, there's [00:18:00] nothing wrong with them, it's just no. And when you're at 24,000 watts, you're talking, that's a hundred amps. That's if you have a 200 amp panel, you're feeding half. You're never using that half of everything.

[00:18:10] Jared Grifo: Yeah. . Yeah. You're never getting that. So you're feeding half the panel all at the same time. But the biggest reason for people going that large, honestly, is hvac. Yeah. A lot of the generators are rated at what tonnage AC unit they can actually run. Nice. An example 14 ton or a 14 KW generator can run a three ton AC unit.

[00:18:32] Jared Grifo: Nice. 18 oh to four, and so on and so forth. Yeah. So when we are dealing with again, Texas and Florida, which everything's bigger in Texas anyways, but yeah. know, They got 2, 2 5 ton air conditioners and the generators need to compensate for that startup surge. Yeah.

[00:18:48] Jared Grifo: Of a five ton. Even with the very efficient stuff out there now with hvac, you're still talking maybe surging to a hundred, 120 amps instantaneously. Wow. So [00:19:00]

[00:19:00] Eric Goranson: hadn't thought about the surge, cuz Yeah like my AC unit, I just put a brand new one end that's variable speed and everything, but that thing it's, everything's all digital motors and stuff on it, but still that thing is still using a 30 amp.

[00:19:13] Eric Goranson: The AC side of things the furnace side as far as gas, but yeah. Hadn't thought about it. Yeah. That could be more than 30 amps just in the startup phase on something like that.

[00:19:23] Jared Grifo: Yeah we take that for granted with regular power because it's pretty much unlimited it starts up, we don't care maybe the lights dim a little bit when my AC fires up.

[00:19:33] Jared Grifo: Yeah. It the grid doesn't really care, but the generators. They have to be able to produce that power to, to actually start it up. That, that's a big reason for going that big. And like you said, why not just have it do everything ? Yeah.

[00:19:46] Eric Goranson: I thought I had on mine I put the I went from a gas water heater to electric, but I went to the heat pump water heater, which is great cuz if I keep it, I always keep it on the heat pump side.

[00:19:55] Eric Goranson: That thing only Dr. It's an 80 gallon tank. It only draws 500 [00:20:00] watts. Oh wow. When it's heating. That's awesome. Yeah. It like 500 wa light bulbs. Okay, cool. Yeah, that I'm not doing too much with that, so I can be running the refrigerators, the water heater and stuff, and still not be not be pulling too much on it.

[00:20:15] Eric Goranson: And with l e d lights, they're sure helping as well. Yeah,

[00:20:18] Jared Grifo: no that's actually awesome to have that lo of consumption cuz I've dealt with some people who have 60, 80 amp breakers on their electric hot water heater and it's like I need to size you a pretty big generator .

[00:20:30] Eric Goranson: Yeah, love that.

[00:20:31] Eric Goranson: You're almost better to go buy a convert over to the water heater cuz it's cheaper than having to double the size of your generator cuz you can buy a $1,500 heat pump water heater that pays for itself pretty quick cuz you're also saving every day on doing water. And then you have to put. On the generator side, so

[00:20:48] Jared Grifo: absolutely.

[00:20:49] Jared Grifo: Those are what are those, the on-demand water heaters? Those are great too. Yeah

[00:20:54] Eric Goranson: The electric the, they're great. The electric ones, I'm sure a headache for you guys. The electric on-demand [00:21:00] ones, because all of a sudden those are pulling 70. 70 amps on that thing cuz those things are not efficient.

[00:21:06] Eric Goranson: Just the coil.

[00:21:07] Jared Grifo: Yeah, the coils on 'em. Just solid state coil. Just pulling tons of power. Yeah, it

[00:21:13] Eric Goranson: works. I get it. . I get it. So how do you size up those? Like the, for instance, like the gener X that's a O obviously a big brand name out there. There's a lot of different ones out there as far as the standby us, but any Generac, Kohler, whatever, how do you size those up?

[00:21:29] Eric Goranson: Do you just start working on the. How big a panel it is. And then based on the AC tonnage as well.

[00:21:35] Jared Grifo: Yeah. That's pretty much the get-go. I've been doing it long enough for, honestly, I just tell people what they need. . Yeah. But we do have so every manufacturer has their own sizing calculator.

[00:21:46] Jared Grifo: Got it. We can actually go down and it'll just spit out a list of generators. We actually have one on our site that works great. And it actually. We try to oversize about 20%, give the generator a little breathing room so you know, if you are using it towards the [00:22:00] max you're not really working it very hard.

[00:22:03] Jared Grifo: But smart. I The sizing calculators work fantastic. They're gonna give you a good rough estimate of what's required. Nice. That's one route obviously calling us and asking us, we'll help you out. Sure. Otherwise one of the best ways. Because obviously you're going to need a installer anyways, would be to have somebody come out and do a load calculation.

[00:22:24] Jared Grifo: There you go. A lot of places even in I've dealt with it, even in California, they require a load calculation to be done before install anyways. Oh, cool. To make sure that we're actually meeting the needs of that home. So smart. . Yeah. But it can cause issues. Oh, yeah. Because you're not you and I know we're never drawing 200 amps off a 200 amp panel.

[00:22:49] Jared Grifo: If, do you, you

[00:22:50] Eric Goranson: got, you're undersized on the panel , to be honest. That's you're loading that thing up.

[00:22:56] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Your electric bill would be insane. Yeah. [00:23:00] The average person is probably actually drawing anywhere between 10 to 30 amp. Throughout the day, yeah. When the HVAC kicks on, maybe a little bit more it's, if you get something in the a hundred amp range, cover half of your panel, usually it's going to be perfectly fine. You don't have to worry about much unless you have a gigantic home or a 400 amp panel split services.

[00:23:26] Jared Grifo: It starts to get a little messy, which we do deal with. We actually have switches. We have transfer switches that are designed for split service. Oh, cool. It's like two switches in one and things there's all the different ways of going about it. I would say if you're just getting started, try out to one of the calculators or give a call and then go through a professional too, . Cause your code may need it.

[00:23:47] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. So when you're shopping for these things out there of course the wifi stuff is to me super important cuz I'm a tech guy. But stuff like they've got the AC shedding or load shedding that kind [00:24:00] of stuff.

[00:24:00] Eric Goranson: What does that mean when people are out? Doing their due diligence on, on just looking around, thinking about what they want to get. So AC

[00:24:08] Jared Grifo: shedding is probably the most confusing thing for my customers. Yep. But it's actually probably the easiest thing to explain. So basically what it does is it allows the generator to automatically shut down a particular circuit.

[00:24:23] Jared Grifo: Oh. So Let's say I have a hot tub, right? Yeah. I really don't care that my hot tub's on, but that thing's on a 50 amp breaker, and it's gonna just draw half of the power of my generator all the time. Yeah. You can use the load shedding to actually either shut it down if it's going to overload the system, or you can actually completely lock out a particular item from even coming on.

[00:24:49] Jared Grifo: Which is, it's super cool cuz now we're making that a smaller generator seem bigger. It can do a lot more for my house. Yeah. Cause I don't have to compensate for all these other weird nuances. Yeah. [00:25:00] That's great for hot tubs and pools and things like that, that you're like, I'm not worried about it today.

[00:25:04] Eric Goranson: It's summertime. If that thing doesn't kick on today, it's not the end of the world. And I guess it's different if you got a pool and you're trying to keep the water moving for freezing or something. But you can also deal with that individually as well, season.

[00:25:16] Jared Grifo: Yeah the, one of the great uses for it is if you have multiple AC units oh, if I've got two or three AC units, I don't want them all trying to come on at the same time.

[00:25:25] Jared Grifo: Again, we talked about that surge. Yep. So it can actually manage them in a sequence. So it'll turn on one, if it has enough power, it'll turn on another, or maybe. Bacon a cake and doing laundry and all this and that, and they won't come on until all those other items shut off. Okay. It's just a simpler way of not having to load, manage yourself, go and shut off not

[00:25:47] Eric Goranson: clicking breakers and you're assuming that you're there to do that.

[00:25:50] Eric Goranson: Yeah. So is that typically done through the app then? Is that usually how the most common way to do that? Or is that through when you set that load shedding up, is that different kind of between. [00:26:00] Each manufacturer or,

[00:26:01] Jared Grifo: so it depends on the manufacturer, but a lot of it is just set it and forget it.

[00:26:06] Jared Grifo: Got it. Which is what a lot of people want. Sure. You'll get what they call like a management module. And that will actually tie into a specific breaker. Ah, okay. A lot of them are wireless. So they're not actually using it, it's actually pretty cool how they do it. They're not actually using wifi or anything.

[00:26:23] Jared Grifo: They send a signal over the neutral wire of the home. Oh. So it knows that the generator's on, so

[00:26:28] Eric Goranson: everything's wired. So Yeah, of

[00:26:30] Jared Grifo: course. Yeah. Yeah. So it, but I guess to bring it back, they can only be used on two 40 volt items. Oh yeah. Because, That makes

[00:26:38] Eric Goranson: sense. So as you gotta have that neutral in the ground and the everything else in there with the two hots, so Yeah.

[00:26:45] Eric Goranson: Coming in, so that makes sense. Okay. Yeah.

[00:26:47] Jared Grifo: But and then the coolest use that I've found for it, and especially in your side of the country for solar. Yeah. Because people have solar that'll backfeed the grid and it'll go through like an inver. [00:27:00] and through a, let's say a 30 amp breaker. Yeah.

[00:27:03] Jared Grifo: If the generator turns on the inverter says, Hey, we got power back. And now it starts backing the generator, which is a no-no. Yeah. So what we do is we put one of those on that breaker, it locks out power from going to that inverter, and then the generator shuts down, unlocks that module, and allows it to backfeed.

[00:27:22] Jared Grifo: That's

[00:27:22] Eric Goranson: smart because Yeah. I hadn't thought about that with solar. Cuz all of a sudden it comes on generator's woo-hoo, we're done. Yeah. . Yeah. And the solar's not bringing enough to power the house cuz it's only kicking a little bit out. Yeah. Ah they thought everything on that. I love it. I love it.

[00:27:38] Eric Goranson: So is most everybody doing on those standbys? Are they? Pretty much, is natural gas pretty much the most common way to. It's the easiest when you can get it.

[00:27:46] Jared Grifo: Yeah. If you already have it. There's no reason to do any other fuel. Yeah. The upside of propane is that you actually do get they're rated higher, if you will.

[00:27:58] Jared Grifo: So there's Okay. There's [00:28:00] more energy in propane. Yeah. So you'll see a lot of these generators are actually rated at their propane rating. So let's like a Generac 22 kw. 22 kw. On propane, 19 and a half on natural now. Ah, there we go. Okay. And that's not just, I shouldn't just say Generac, that's across the board.

[00:28:19] Jared Grifo: That's just everybody comes with the territory. You have less horsepower. You're, and you need horsepower to turn a magnet, right? Yep.

[00:28:25] Eric Goranson: So it's like when you're, when you got a car that's flex fuel and you go use the E 85, all of a sudden it's Hey, that's cool. It's cheaper, but that also cuts down your power by 20%

[00:28:36] Jared Grifo: Yeah.

[00:28:36] Jared Grifo: Cuts down your power. And then it also drains your fuel tank cuz it takes exactly two times the amount.

[00:28:41] Eric Goranson: Yep, that too. But yeah, but you'd have to have a massive propane tank to fill these though. That's the other, the downside of that is you gotta have a a solid, like what at the gas station style propane tank, if you're gonna lose power for four or five

[00:28:55] Jared Grifo: days.

[00:28:56] Jared Grifo: Yeah, minimum size that you're gonna want is about 250 [00:29:00] gallons. At minimum, not everybody has the space for that, and especially if you got a homeowner's association and you can't bury, you can't bury it. ,

[00:29:09] Eric Goranson: HOAs love you on that one. Yeah. Oh,

[00:29:11] Jared Grifo: they, I've had HOAs that made people paint their generator the same color as the house.

[00:29:16] Jared Grifo: Oh, . Just a minute. So everything matches and

[00:29:20] Eric Goranson: yeah I could do a whole show on HOA horror stories. Our condo associations are just as bad too. Yeah. Those are the worst too oh yeah, that's, hadn't thought about that. But that's the thing with those big tanks, you gotta figure out where to put those things and have access for the propane company to come out and fill it up.

[00:29:39] Jared Grifo: Yeah, that's all part of it. Plus if you're in a cold climate, again, there's a, it expands and contracts with cold. So if I'm got a 250 gallon. It's below 40 degrees. I might only have a hundred usable gallons in there. Oh yeah. So it might be cus

[00:29:56] and

[00:29:56] Eric Goranson: yeah. Yeah. So my son that lives in, outside of Bismarck, North [00:30:00] Dakota that just moved there, , he'd have some serious troubles when it's negative 30 outside.

[00:30:04] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah,

[00:30:05] Jared Grifo: definitely . Okay. But he probably has natural gas, you know he does Midwest, Midwestern. Yeah, it's a Midwest thing. Yeah. Or Midwestern .

[00:30:12] Eric Goranson: Yep. They're smart on that, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense. I like that. And does anybody on the residential side do anything like diesel or stuff, or is that pretty much more commercial?

[00:30:23] Eric Goranson: Farmers. farmers? No,

[00:30:25] Jared Grifo: that's, A lot of farmers will do it. They have a ton of diesel on their property. Why not? Yep. Yeah. You

[00:30:29] Eric Goranson: got farm fuel out there, so it's easy.

[00:30:31] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. And they can use that. I guess the biggest misconception is people think they can use heating oil in them and Yeah. No, that will just destroy a generator.

[00:30:41] Jared Grifo: I've had that. It's too dirty, right? ? Yeah. Too dirty. This has to be the low sulfur low. Output stuff. Diesels are great. They're built like tank. Oh yeah, the cost is really what kind of comes into play when an example would be a 20 kw air cooled let's say Generac is [00:31:00] roughly. Again, five, $6,000. Yeah. A diesel is probably 15, 16,000. Ooh, buddy. Yeah. Different animal

[00:31:08] Eric Goranson: though, different animal. If you got the farm and the fuel and you don't have natural gas, then that might make good sense for you. It,

[00:31:15] Jared Grifo: yeah, that makes more sense on that aspect or we have a lot of PTO driven generat.

[00:31:20] Jared Grifo: Awesome. Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the farmers will do that. They'll, because they already have a tractor, you can get a huge generator. They'll go

[00:31:28] Eric Goranson: forever. And the powers there, the tractor. Yep. That tractor is used to running all that time. And you can just, I forgot. Totally forgot about P t O.

[00:31:37] Eric Goranson: That's awesome.

[00:31:38] Jared Grifo: Yeah, I actually love PTO generators. They're so simple

[00:31:42] Eric Goranson: and so everybody out there, what that says, just if you're not like a Midwest person or a farmer person that I like, I used to so you got a tractor, or even a truck sometimes will have a power takeoff is what this is.

[00:31:53] Eric Goranson: And so it's just a shaft that comes out of the transmission basically, that you could turn off and on, and that's what farmers will sit [00:32:00] there. And turn on the maybe the mower deck that's behind them or whatever else they're dragging around. So instead of running that blade, you could put on a generator and run your power that way.

[00:32:12] Eric Goranson: So hadn't thought of that, cuz now all of a sudden you don't have to worry about a power source, you just have to worry about the power creation side of things.

[00:32:19] Jared Grifo: Exactly.

[00:32:20] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Pull the tractor up and off you.

[00:32:24] Jared Grifo: Yeah. No they're actually fantastic. Obviously these people have invested a lot of money in a tractor.

[00:32:30] Jared Grifo: We're not talking like a regular lawnmower or anything. No. Yeah. These are cost more than my car yeah. Type tractor,

[00:32:39] Eric Goranson: some people's houses and our listen to the audience. Let's get serious. Exactly. Yeah. No know. Nice. Oh. Those tractors, some of those tractors.

[00:32:47] Eric Goranson: And if you're not in a farm area when I was in high school, I'll tell this funny story and you'll kinda laugh. We used to go out for buying and mud and doing all that stuff. the, I was in the Tri-Cities, Washington there. And I gotta be careful cuz the [00:33:00] listening audience of the place that we used to do this at is now listening to this on the radio.

[00:33:05] Eric Goranson: I won't even mention what brand it is, but we'd go out four buying and at 11 o'clock at night, we got everybody stuck. We'd always have one person, we'd drive like 10 miles on the freeway, go over to the tractor dealerships cuz all my buddies worked there. We'd get the flag cars and run the tractor out the freeway in the middle of the night.

[00:33:24] Eric Goranson: Go out there, pull everybody out, run it back, spray it off, put it back up in the line and nobody knew any different. No man . But I'm not gonna say brands cuz. A lot of people that still work around there. I don't wanna get anybody in trouble . But if you saw us running down the street on the freeway at two o'clock in the morning in the nineties or late eighties, that was me,

[00:33:46] Jared Grifo: See that's just normal around here. We're in Illinois. Yeah. Okay. Illinois I, if you're not in Chicago, you're in a farmland. Yeah. I That's pretty much it. Or Chicago somewhere. Absolutely. Which, yeah, we're in the burbs.

[00:33:58] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, but yeah [00:34:00] that's a good one though, man.

[00:34:01] Eric Goranson: I hadn't thought about that. That I totally forgot about the whole PTL option and for the farming community out there. Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah. And then you guys do also the service on the RV and replacements on RV generators as well, right?

[00:34:13] Jared Grifo: Servicing and whatnot. We don't okay, so just

[00:34:17] Eric Goranson: the, just supplying those Yeah,

[00:34:18] Jared Grifo: we can, yeah.

[00:34:19] Jared Grifo: We do more of the just sales on those. Gotcha. Those are a little difficult. They definitely, it's almost like a standby generator, but on your RV or your truck or we even sell commercial models for boom trucks. They'll have again, a PTO or a hydraulic pump driven on, yeah.

[00:34:38] Jared Grifo: For the hydraulics, but, Yeah. Just strictly sales . Okay,

[00:34:43] Eric Goranson: good. And and the crazy part of those things is it's not only do you have to figure out how it's gonna power stuff, you also gotta make sure it fits in the box.

[00:34:50] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. That's, a lot of people don't think that, again, they want the biggest and baddest for their RV or whatnot.

[00:34:55] Jared Grifo: It's the little cubby hole you have built for this is [00:35:00] only this big. So instead of 7,000 watts, you're getting. Yeah, so sorry. Sorry, .

[00:35:04] Eric Goranson: Sorry. It's what it is. It's what it is. So what else we should we talk about with generators here that we haven't really talked about? Man, because there's, I used to say generators, you'd see it a lot on job sites now.

[00:35:17] Eric Goranson: And there's less and less of that with the cordless power tools, cuz almost everything out there is cordless power tools, but there's still guys out there doing it. But I see more of. People out doing campsite and stuff with it probably now. Then. And do you guys sell those, by the way the smaller ones that you'd use for maybe a job site or a campsite?

[00:35:35] Eric Goranson: Yeah,

[00:35:35] Jared Grifo: absolutely. One of the big popular units right now, and you'll hear the term thrown out there, which it's used pretty loosely in the industry is inverter. Type generator. We talked about the solar and they have inverters and this and that. An inverter, meaning it takes it from one power to another and then converts it back.

[00:35:55] Jared Grifo: So the small little generators some of the Hondas and yeah. [00:36:00] Champion makes the good ones and Westinghouse Basically what they do is they take the power out of the generator, they turn it into DC and then they turn it back to ac, which makes it extremely clean. So very clean sine wave.

[00:36:12] Jared Grifo: Yep. You get people like mobile DJs where if I had a just a normal generator going, you might hear actually the harmonics of that coming out of the speakers. Yeah. So a very clean power output. Pertinent in that portion. That and like server rooms. Yeah. A lot of people with server rooms and they not only will they have the servers, but they have HVAC equipment that's attached to that , got it. Those are a little bit tricky to size for, but yeah, the little birders are. Fantastic. You use it for camping, you can use it for RVs. Yeah. You can even use it for home use. If you're just trying to run, mine's

[00:36:52] Eric Goranson: mine, mine, it says inverter on it, I mean it, and it's a big one, yeah. But yeah, the power coming outta the thing, I've had no issues as [00:37:00] far as that other than massive gas consumption. But other than that it gets the job done. Some of the newer ones are pretty cool where because they're an inverter. So the way the magnets work, they have to spin at 3,600 RPM to get 60 hertz.

[00:37:15] Jared Grifo: Everything in the US is 60 hertz, right? Yep. So 3,600 RPM with the magnet. The inverters, because they're taking in that power, they can almost work like a three phase where oh, they can lower their RPMs to, let's say 2,500 rpm. So you'll conserve on fuel because it doesn't have to put out a lot of power

[00:37:33] Eric Goranson: because the inversion process.

[00:37:34] Eric Goranson: Yeah, exactly. That makes

[00:37:35] Jared Grifo: sense. So that might be what you need , see? Yeah. No, yeah. Take yourself a couple

[00:37:39] Eric Goranson: gallons, right? Oh yeah. I'm due for an upgrade. I think it's one of those things that I'll probably be getting a hold of you guys for doing a standby one of these days. Cuz it's just gotta have to be that way.

[00:37:50] Eric Goranson: And I've got know, have that it's one of the reliance know manual switchover switches, which works great. Yeah. But that's only 30 [00:38:00] amp. And that's the problem that that that does is it doesn't do everything. Even though my generator puts a little bit more out than that.

[00:38:08] Eric Goranson: That's what I put through that switch and I probably should have gotten with a bigger switch, but that's all I could get at the time. Cuz I did it during covid and it was like, 30 amps, do they make actually bigger transfer switches for that or is 30 amps pretty much the biggest they do for that?

[00:38:21] Eric Goranson: I guess that's the question that, have you seen anything bigger that on those

[00:38:24] Jared Grifo: transfer switch. Yeah. So 30 amps is common. 50 amps is the step up. From there again, we were talking. Okay. You'll see the 30 amp outlets, 50 amp outlets, everything just kinda flows together. And then even on top of that, we've got like whole house type switches where Oh, cool.

[00:38:39] Jared Grifo: Almost like an interlock. But what it'll do is it's rated for 200 amps on one, and then on the opposite side you'll have a 50 amp or 125 amp breaker. Ah. Shut off the main flip or shut off the, that main breaker, flip it over to the generator side, and now I'm feeding my whole house with generator.

[00:38:57] Jared Grifo: All right.

[00:38:58] Eric Goranson: I like that. That's cool. [00:39:00] That's cool. Yeah, if I wanted to take that project on, that might be a way to go, but I think I'm just gonna have to go the other direction with that. A lot of people don't like it because you have to get pull permits and whatnot cuz you have to pull the meter can, yeah.

[00:39:13] Jared Grifo: You can't, it has to be installed before the main breaker, yep. I actually tried to do one of those where you pull the meter and that plug goes in and the meter goes on top of it. Yeah. My local power company quit letting you do that.

[00:39:26] Jared Grifo: Yeah, those are actually pretty awesome. I've been trying to get my hands on those myself, but Yep.

[00:39:30] Jared Grifo: They really do curtail a little bit more to power companies where they'll be like, oh yeah, our power company will come out and install this. It's actually a fantastic option, because you just log right into that and it does its thing. Beyond that, if you just get a like a reliance switch 30 amp with 10 circuits.

[00:39:49] Jared Grifo: However many you need. Yeah. Uh, They work very well, yeah. It's mine's

[00:39:53] Eric Goranson: foolproof. I like it. And it seems to be a good brand and it pretty simple to install too.

[00:39:58] Jared Grifo: Yeah. I like the fact that you're [00:40:00] not flipping on and off breakers. They have switches on it. Yeah. Because, and a lot of people don't know.

[00:40:05] Jared Grifo: A breaker's not a switch. It'll wear down. Yeah. So having a switch there a avoid. Aware of that breaker for safety .

[00:40:12] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. I can't tell you how many commercial you think about commercial buildings all the time. People go in and turn the warehouse lights on and they're clicking breakers every morning.

[00:40:21] Eric Goranson: When they leave, they're clicking. It's those weren't really

[00:40:24] Jared Grifo: designed to do that? Nope. No. That's how you

[00:40:27] Eric Goranson: wear that stuff out, . So Jared, what else have we not talked about today? That is some good tips out there. I You guys, o of course, power equipment direct.com is where we find you guys, but, what do you recommend? Is there anything else that we didn't talk about that people should know before they start going out and thinking about either getting a generator or upgrading that generator?

[00:40:49] Jared Grifo: I guess one of the genres that we didn't cover is batteries. So there's a lot of, oh, let's talk about that.

[00:40:55] Jared Grifo: Yeah. , there's a lot of batteries. Everybody's got batteries now it's the hot new [00:41:00] thing, right? Just if you are buying something along those lines, be careful of the limitations. A lot of people don't understand what I wa hour is. if I have a thousand wat hour generator or battery, I would say yep.

[00:41:17] Jared Grifo: That means that if I draw a thousand watts from that battery, it's going to give me power for one hour. . Yeah. So is it if a lot of people think, oh, it's gonna put out a thousand watts and then all of a sudden it, it doesn't live up to their expectations. On top of that, a lot of these companies Generac and Kohler especially, are coming out with whole house battery

[00:41:40] Eric Goranson: systems.

[00:41:41] Eric Goranson: Those are pretty cool. Yeah, those are pretty cool, yeah. Make me a little nervous, but they're, it's new, but. They work super cool. I like '

[00:41:50] Jared Grifo: em. Yeah. Yeah. It's almost like a, just a gigantic u p s system. , yeah.

[00:41:55] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's like a Tesla car battery on the wall, basically. Yeah.

[00:41:59] Eric Goranson: That's

[00:41:59] Jared Grifo: running your [00:42:00] house. And that's through they're that's who they're competing against is the Tesla wall. Yeah. But I could see where it's really nice if you live in an area where you have really high peak hours. Of power because you can actually set those things up. So it'll turn on at a certain time of the day, you'll run off batteries and then charge back the batteries either on solar or off of the grid at your lower peak period.

[00:42:24] Jared Grifo: Nice. So that's nice. The US isn't terrible. Some certain places are yeah. As far as grid power, It definitely is a great option. Little pricey. This comes with the technology. Yeah. It's new. It's that shiny new thing. Everybody wants it. So are are they a lot more than I haven't looked at pricing recently.

[00:42:44] Eric Goranson: Are they a lot more than just doing a standby generator? Haven't it done or are they up in that price point?

[00:42:48] Jared Grifo: They're quite a bit more if you're looking for backup power I don't think you're gonna beat the pricing on a generat. Okay. That's what I was thinking. Because you're talking they say it for a [00:43:00] good system, probably 30 grand who.

[00:43:03] Jared Grifo: And that's like full batteries. You'll be running for days off batteries, but Yeah. But

[00:43:07] Eric Goranson: Yeah. . Yeah. Yeah. That's my, wait till technology gets a little bit better and that price goes down if you're thinking battery to me

[00:43:15] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. Soon enough the market will have enough out there and the technology will catch up and we'll have some pretty nice systems that are Yeah.

[00:43:21] Jared Grifo: More reasonably priced

[00:43:22] Eric Goranson: out there. I noticed recently that Tesla and their solar roof, just got quiet and went away. I saw that heard from some listeners that had that had scheduled installs and all of a sudden they went no longer available and gave 'em their deposits, showed up in their bank account, and off they went.

[00:43:41] Eric Goranson: So I think that that one is going away, but I'm sure there's other stuff that's happening out there. But yeah, some of that stuff's changing quickly.

[00:43:48] Jared Grifo: Yeah. With the limitation on certain things there's still microprocessors and stuff like that. It's a weird market and I think Tesla's always ahead of the game, but maybe too far ahead where they don't [00:44:00] see the market changes so quickly that they all great intentions, but yeah.

[00:44:07] Eric Goranson: And they're just being the leader sometimes means you get your head hand slapped a few times too out there. So it does, but I'll tell you what, they are the worst as far as the media trying to get ahold of those guys to talk about something. It is. It's easier to talk to a manager at Apple than it is at Tesla, and to tell you how hard that is.

[00:44:25] Eric Goranson: You

[00:44:25] Jared Grifo: could probably get ahold of Elon Musk on Twitter easily, more easily than talking to one of like their

[00:44:29] Eric Goranson: New York Elon. Hundred percent. I have a better chance because man I have reached out probably 40 times to those guys and I get crickets. And I know people that are huge news people out there that crickets. They just don't wanna talk to anybody. They're like, That's their game. They're just

[00:44:46] Jared Grifo: gonna be quiet. They got the secret sauce and they don't want to give the formula. No kidding.

[00:44:52] Eric Goranson: 14 herbs and spices they got in there

[00:44:57] Eric Goranson: That's awesome. Jared, is there anything else we missed? Man, [00:45:00] that batter's a good one. I forgot to, to even mention that brother.

[00:45:02] Jared Grifo: No, the batteries are great. As far as generators go, if you really are interested in 'em give us a call or there's tons of information online.

[00:45:12] Jared Grifo: The internet's great, right? But it's the wild West. You're gonna get conflicting information here, there, go with this, go with that. Again, I've been doing this a while. Give us a call. That's the, a good place to even start, even if you're not buying anything. Yeah. It's hard to find a person that is been in the business long enough, that's professional, that actually wants to give you information, ,

[00:45:33] Eric Goranson: right?

[00:45:34] Eric Goranson: And that's one of the things that, that kind of brought me to bring you on here is that I love that you carry so many different brands. So when you talk to somebody on the phone, you're not giving 'em the brand pitch. You're going, all right, really this brand and this model is really what you're looking for your situation.

[00:45:50] Eric Goranson: Versus, oh, this is gonna kind of work. But that's all we. Yeah. And

[00:45:54] Jared Grifo: that, and that's what I love about this is I can actually help the customer pick what they need. And I [00:46:00] don't have to oversize 'em or cuz I, I'll get a lot of installers where they'll strictly only install a 22 kw.

[00:46:07] Jared Grifo: That's, it doesn't matter what the install is the cuz they know it's gonna work. And it's some people just don't need that . Yeah. Yeah. It's

[00:46:15] Eric Goranson: It's like oversizing and AC units sometimes. It's not the best plan. Oh, definitely

[00:46:20] Jared Grifo: not with that . So there's short cycling and Exactly.

[00:46:24] Jared Grifo: That humid in your

[00:46:24] Eric Goranson: house. Yeah. And that can't be good though too with if you've got a generator that's a standby generator that's way big and it's just idling along, that can't be that great for it either. You'd think you'd want to have it sized. Yeah. If you're in the 50 to 80% range that's about where they like to sit.

[00:46:43] Jared Grifo: Okay. Fuel consumption wise and output. That's just going to probably be the longest life of it. If you buy it or size it in that range, the, like the diesels, you get issues with wet stacking if they're undersized. So those are a little bit more finicky. But [00:47:00] again, most people that are buying diesel.

[00:47:02] Jared Grifo: Pretty much know what they want. , you're not gonna come into it come calling me up, being like, I want this $18,000 generator on my house. It's . You're doing a little bit more research, .

[00:47:12] Eric Goranson: Amen. Amen. Jared, man, I wanna get you back on again here in the future. This has been great today, man.

[00:47:17] Eric Goranson: And best place to, for people to get ahold of you is over at power Equipment direct@powerequipmentdirect.com, or give you a call on the phone.

[00:47:25] Jared Grifo: Yeah. Yeah. And actually right now actually we have a promo four year show. First hundred people. Yeah, first hundred people. They use the promo code, a t h.

[00:47:34] Jared Grifo: They'll save 50 bucks on a qualifying portable generator on our site. There we go. Yeah, they can do power equipment direct, which actually we have multiple sites. With that we do air compressors and all kinds of fun stuff. Otherwise electric generators direct.com. They can talk to me on the phone.

[00:47:52] Jared Grifo: I'm there. Nice man. Just

[00:47:55] Eric Goranson: That's great. And thanks for that promo. Who doesn't want 50 bucks, right? Yeah. Especially [00:48:00] nowadays, right? , that'll fill one of the tanks up in a truck. Maybe . Yeah. Fill the tank in your generator. Exactly.

[00:48:11] Eric Goranson: That's awesome. Thanks for taking the time today, man. I really appreciate it. I even learned stuff today, so

[00:48:16] Jared Grifo: that's awesome. No, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on. Thanks,

[00:48:19] Eric Goranson: Jared. I'm Eric Cheat and you've been listening to Around the House