1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,360 And like you said, you know, we're living in an era where 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,640 AI market volatility, like is it the global 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,600 complexity of it all? It's accelerating faster and faster and there's so much 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,320 change and people are having a difficult time adapting. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,760 But the leaders that are trying to outwork the velocity are the ones that are 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,080 suffering. They're pushing harder, they're grinding, like you said. 7 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,280 And you can't outwork velocity if 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,000 grinding harder isn't working anymore. You're not alone Today, 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,840 what's really breaking in the age of AI? This is Data Driven. 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,480 Hello and welcome to Data Driven, the podcast where we explore the emerging 11 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,880 field of data science, data engineering and 12 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,680 artificial intelligence. Now with me today is not my favorite estate 13 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,520 engineer in the world. He is unavailable. So I brought the most curious 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,040 person I know. And I mean that. Not like curious strains, but someone who's actually 15 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,720 inquisitive and 16 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,280 you're quantum curious. But I think you're also data curious and you've also done a 17 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,600 lot of work with neuro 18 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,000 diverse type things. I know you have a blog on 19 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,340 that you're going to reactivate thanks to a little animal 20 00:01:26,340 --> 00:01:29,460 called the dingo. But that's for. That's a show for another day. 21 00:01:29,940 --> 00:01:33,780 I have with me Angus Nelson, who is. He was an author and 22 00:01:33,940 --> 00:01:37,740 fellow podcaster and we're part of a group, mastermind 23 00:01:37,740 --> 00:01:41,220 type group called Podcasters Paradise. Shout out to you JLD 24 00:01:43,300 --> 00:01:47,140 and and you have a book that is 25 00:01:47,140 --> 00:01:50,740 about, I think, something that's very, very timely. 26 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,280 It's stress and anxiety. And as I was kind of 27 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,200 skimming through it, I realized like, you know, he's 28 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,080 right about a lot of this here 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,720 because grind culture, hustle culture, can only take you so 30 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,560 far. And I kind of. Candace knows this because I had a kind of a 31 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,680 come to Jesus moment last week with a lot of stress going on in my 32 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,360 life and things like that. And I kind of realized 33 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,160 I was listening to a song by Pitbull. Yes, Pitbull. And he has 34 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,560 a line, a lot of things in his lyrics I can't repeat, 35 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,720 but one of them was interesting. He goes, you know, life is a gift and 36 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,480 a curse. Which one do you figure out first? He goes, it's about 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:34,000 what you leave behind because I've never seen a U haul behind a 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,720 hearse. And then he goes 39 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,520 into some Spanglish and some naughty words. But the lesson 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,330 there I think is very important. And as we're going through here, it 41 00:02:45,410 --> 00:02:48,890 really. We live in a very stressful time. Obviously, 42 00:02:48,890 --> 00:02:51,970 geopolitical events weigh on our minds kind of subconsciously, 43 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:56,490 but also that 44 00:02:56,490 --> 00:02:59,250 3am Slack message where you're up at 3 in the morning because you're thinking of 45 00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:02,970 something at work. So welcome to the show. The book is Neuro 46 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:06,690 Resilient Leader, the Internal Operating System for Leading at the 47 00:03:06,690 --> 00:03:10,250 Speed of Change. Welcome to the show, Angus. Well, great to be here, 48 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:13,770 Frank. And like you said, we're living in an era 49 00:03:13,770 --> 00:03:17,470 where AI market volatility of the global 50 00:03:17,630 --> 00:03:21,350 complexity of it all, it's accelerating faster and faster and there's so much 51 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:25,150 change and people are having a difficult time adapting. 52 00:03:25,710 --> 00:03:29,550 But the leaders that are trying to outwork the velocity are the ones that are 53 00:03:29,550 --> 00:03:32,750 suffering. They're pushing harder, they're grinding like you said. 54 00:03:33,630 --> 00:03:37,390 And you can't outwork velocity, you just simply 55 00:03:37,390 --> 00:03:41,230 can't. And I believe that every single business problem that most people 56 00:03:41,230 --> 00:03:44,820 are facing right now isn't so much about, you know, 57 00:03:44,820 --> 00:03:48,060 the data sets, it isn't so much about the strategy and the 58 00:03:48,220 --> 00:03:52,020 tasks at hand as much as it is them finding 59 00:03:52,020 --> 00:03:55,180 themselves from an internal operating system that's, 60 00:03:55,420 --> 00:03:58,980 that's flooding them or overwhelming them. So now they have 61 00:03:58,980 --> 00:04:02,220 analysis, paralysis, stalled innovation, they're 62 00:04:02,220 --> 00:04:05,340 hemorrhaging talent, losing people, people are 63 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:08,380 disengaging, there's all sorts of stats and we can go into some of that if 64 00:04:08,380 --> 00:04:12,040 you want and get nerdy on the, the data of that particular piece. 65 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,400 But what's actually happening is the internal operating system 66 00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:20,120 is what's breaking down in people. Things are changing and we're trying to run 67 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,560 on Windows 2000 and it ain't working 68 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,080 anymore. So everybody's in this dysregulated nervous system 69 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,920 and they're treating every daily challenge like it's a frickin life 70 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,760 threatening emergency. No, exactly. And that's kind of 71 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,320 how we evolved and that's what got us here. And there are a lot of 72 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,960 good stuff messages in your book, right. Like what got you to where you are. 73 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,540 And you know, your, your book is geared to what I can tell, 74 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:47,380 towards a leadership level. But this happens I think even at the individual contributor 75 00:04:47,380 --> 00:04:50,900 level. And certainly I think the people who are 76 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:54,820 independent contractors, I know a lot of folks who you know, listen to show 77 00:04:54,820 --> 00:04:58,580 are independent contractors. Andy is one. Right. And there's always a 78 00:04:58,580 --> 00:05:01,340 lot of stress going on and I think there's a lot of stress that is 79 00:05:01,340 --> 00:05:04,700 induced by AI, but I also think there's opportunity induced by 80 00:05:04,700 --> 00:05:08,540 AI. But the thing that really struck me was I'm sitting there and I have 81 00:05:08,540 --> 00:05:11,480 my best idea as drive in driving around. So I was driving Around I was 82 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,920 listening to, you know, a notebook. 83 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,040 Lm summary of your book because I don't think there's an audiobook yet. 84 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,000 But, you know, it really got me thinking, like. 85 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,840 And, and we think about the best business leaders of the 21st 86 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:30,480 century thus far, right? The, the name that everyone, almost 87 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,160 everyone will bring up is Steve Jobs. Right. And Steve 88 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,950 Jobs, yes. Was he difficult to work with? People have said that. But he 89 00:05:37,950 --> 00:05:41,550 also saw ahead. And I think part of his ability to see ahead because, 90 00:05:41,550 --> 00:05:44,830 remember, he disrupted not just Apple, Pixar, right. 91 00:05:44,830 --> 00:05:48,110 Filmmaking, music, you know, everything Apple has done. 92 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:53,630 Mobile. I've been a victim of, of 93 00:05:53,630 --> 00:05:57,390 that when I was working on Windows Phone. I think that he has a 94 00:05:57,390 --> 00:06:00,390 background and I know we did a lot of meditation and kind of things like 95 00:06:00,390 --> 00:06:04,080 that. I wonder if he hadn't had that, would 96 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,320 he have been able to see so far ahead into the future? 97 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,720 Right. And this is part of the piece 98 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:15,480 of the whole book where we talk about clarity, 99 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,320 capacity and composure. Those are the three core elements 100 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,600 of the 3C or excuse me, C3 protocol. 101 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,010 And what most people don't understand is that what 102 00:06:27,010 --> 00:06:29,650 we're facing as a 103 00:06:30,130 --> 00:06:33,890 dysregulated individual is an inability to 104 00:06:33,890 --> 00:06:37,690 be clear on what's actually happening. And most of us are focused 105 00:06:37,690 --> 00:06:41,490 on everything around us. And it's easy to look at, you 106 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:45,330 know, certain, you know, elections or political things, 107 00:06:45,330 --> 00:06:48,850 or we can look at, you know, the corporate, you know, change 108 00:06:49,010 --> 00:06:52,770 and Jack Dorsey saying all middle management is now going to be coach 109 00:06:52,770 --> 00:06:56,620 players. You know, like we're hearing all these things that can 110 00:06:56,620 --> 00:06:59,060 feel really, really 111 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:03,460 scary, fearful, uncertain, et cetera. 112 00:07:03,940 --> 00:07:07,460 And that lack of clarity for what's the next step, because we're 113 00:07:07,460 --> 00:07:10,980 faced on the outside, we're looking at everything external to 114 00:07:11,140 --> 00:07:14,340 translate to an internal state, and it never will. 115 00:07:15,460 --> 00:07:18,860 And those that have always risen to other 116 00:07:18,860 --> 00:07:22,300 heights have taken their own sovereignty, their own 117 00:07:22,300 --> 00:07:25,940 agency, and then become whoever they 118 00:07:25,940 --> 00:07:29,460 became. Whether that's a Steve Jobs who went internal or whether 119 00:07:29,460 --> 00:07:32,540 that's, you know, name any, you know, great movement of 120 00:07:32,780 --> 00:07:36,540 individual from Jesus to Muhammad 121 00:07:36,620 --> 00:07:40,340 to, you know, Martin Luther King to Gandhi to 122 00:07:40,340 --> 00:07:43,420 Mother Teresa, they had an internal 123 00:07:43,660 --> 00:07:46,940 understanding and clarity of who they are and what they're for. 124 00:07:47,340 --> 00:07:51,180 And this is a state most people don't know how to connect to 125 00:07:51,180 --> 00:07:55,000 anymore. We've forgotten our own personal value 126 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,320 and we've instead let everything outside of us, whether it's 127 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,880 through people pleasing or whether through accolades or through 128 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,280 paychecks or the size of our house or the size of our body 129 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,560 parts. We think that's what qualifies us or 130 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,720 gives us value. And it's simply the lie. 131 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,200 And we bought it for so long that in this now dysregulated 132 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,480 state, everything within our decision making now is distorted. 133 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,440 Is what's keeping us from living a life that actually fulfills, that 134 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,720 actually sustains, that actually gives meaning and 135 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,520 contribution. So what part of our 136 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,080 humanity, the human capabilities that 137 00:08:37,479 --> 00:08:41,080 we should try to be relying on more as we 138 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,840 see, for example, AI reshaping workflows and 139 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,690 expectations, you 140 00:08:48,690 --> 00:08:52,210 know, what, what can we reach inside 141 00:08:52,210 --> 00:08:56,050 ourselves for to that we're not gonna, you know, we're 142 00:08:56,050 --> 00:08:59,250 obviously not getting from the AI that's gonna help us. 143 00:09:01,010 --> 00:09:04,770 So you've heard all the like soft skills type of stuff and 144 00:09:04,930 --> 00:09:08,450 people will say, oh you, you know, you need to improve your EQ 145 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:11,930 or you have to, you know, work on your communication 146 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:15,310 skills. And so many companies will focus on the 147 00:09:15,310 --> 00:09:18,830 symptom. Oh, you're a terrible communicator, you're not good with people, 148 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:22,430 you lose your temper. We need you to be, you know, executive 149 00:09:22,430 --> 00:09:26,270 presence, blah, blah, blah. The other side is the question 150 00:09:26,270 --> 00:09:30,110 you're asking is how do you change 151 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:33,710 what's going on inside? And there's a couple of different things I'll give you just 152 00:09:33,710 --> 00:09:37,310 real quick. One is every one of us live our lives based on 153 00:09:37,310 --> 00:09:41,080 stories we tell ourselves in many ways were our own worst 154 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,320 enemies. And we build those stories based on the 155 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,160 experiences that we've had through life. And if we're going to stay to this 156 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,800 kind of metaphor of our operating system, it's like our minds, 157 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,480 our bodies are like supercomputers. And so all the 158 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,320 data that we've taken in based on that fifth grade 159 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,120 little league coach that told me I never amount to anything, that parent who 160 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,880 maybe challenged me on something, if there was that girlfriend 161 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,660 that rejected me, that boyfriend who said I was fat or ugly 162 00:10:10,660 --> 00:10:13,940 or what, like all those different things that we just take off as part of 163 00:10:13,940 --> 00:10:17,420 life on some level, we built a story around that, 164 00:10:18,220 --> 00:10:21,500 right on top of that are the daily inputs, 165 00:10:21,820 --> 00:10:25,460 the news we're listening to, the people we hang out with, like the movies we 166 00:10:25,460 --> 00:10:28,700 watch, the music we listen to, all of that will have some sort of 167 00:10:28,700 --> 00:10:32,460 agitation. If we're listening to stuff that is either detrimental, 168 00:10:32,460 --> 00:10:35,820 angry, bitter or, or 169 00:10:35,820 --> 00:10:39,030 blaming, that is all input. 170 00:10:39,670 --> 00:10:43,430 Now the supercomputer, our mind and our body is processing all of 171 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:46,950 that. And now it wants to validate the information it is now 172 00:10:46,950 --> 00:10:50,390 consumed. And so subconsciously on a 173 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:54,230 very deep level, we will seek to create or to 174 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:56,390 attract the relationships, 175 00:10:57,270 --> 00:11:01,110 experiences or opportunities that reflect 176 00:11:01,110 --> 00:11:04,900 that belief system. And if that belief is. I'm never going to amount to 177 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:08,420 anything. I'm not good enough. I don't deserve. I'm not 178 00:11:08,420 --> 00:11:11,420 worthy. You will create opportunities to 179 00:11:11,420 --> 00:11:15,220 validate those beliefs. And that's where people suffer. 180 00:11:15,220 --> 00:11:19,060 That's what people get challenged. That's where they run into roadblocks in their careers 181 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:22,340 or their relationships, vice versa. 182 00:11:22,740 --> 00:11:26,020 If now I create new stories that all of that was, 183 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:30,350 you know, that that was training, that was 184 00:11:30,350 --> 00:11:34,150 learning, that was me understanding who I am. The things that 185 00:11:34,150 --> 00:11:37,790 I went through, difficult, good, bad or ugly, were all 186 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:41,310 shaping me and forming me. They were working for me. 187 00:11:41,470 --> 00:11:45,150 They weren't happening to me. Now that becomes 188 00:11:45,150 --> 00:11:48,910 all the different kinds of things that I've done for this new graduation. 189 00:11:48,990 --> 00:11:51,550 It's like the price that I paid of my tuition. 190 00:11:52,670 --> 00:11:56,350 Secondarily, I start to protect what I'm listening to. I start to protect. 191 00:11:56,750 --> 00:12:00,570 I'm turning off talk radio. I'm not listening to the news. I'm stay informed, but 192 00:12:00,570 --> 00:12:04,170 I'm not staying inundated. I'm no longer 193 00:12:04,170 --> 00:12:07,490 associating with people who are critical or negative or 194 00:12:07,490 --> 00:12:11,210 bitchy. I'm no longer associating myself 195 00:12:11,210 --> 00:12:15,010 with environments that pull me down. Instead, I'm hanging out 196 00:12:15,010 --> 00:12:18,610 with environments that pull me up. Now all of a sudden, I've 197 00:12:18,610 --> 00:12:22,410 created new data. I'm reformatting the drive to a new 198 00:12:22,410 --> 00:12:26,200 operating system. And so now my subconscious goes to work you to 199 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,040 now seek to attract or create a higher 200 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,560 caliber of experiences, 201 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,480 relationships and opportunities. And that's when the game changes. 202 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,680 You know, that's a good point. Cause I noticed that, 203 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,680 you know, I think the best thing you could do for your mental health is 204 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,400 not sleep in the same room as your phone. Yeah, right. Because what'll 205 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,800 happen is before you even get out of bed, you check your feed. You can't 206 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,600 help. But these things literally are, I think. I mean, there's a court case 207 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:58,240 about this, right? They are incentivized to make them addictive. 208 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,960 Right? And those little dopamine hits. And then before you get out of 209 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,720 bed, you're taking on the world's problems. I forget to phrase it that 210 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:08,800 way. And that's just not good for you because we weren't built for that. Right? 211 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,640 If you think, I mean, you shouldn't at least. Should 212 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,800 you take on all the world's problems? No, but you should at least do it 213 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,760 after you've gotten out of bed and after you've had your first cup of coffee, 214 00:13:19,230 --> 00:13:22,710 right? Whereas I think if people kind of lay, they doom scroll, right? Just that 215 00:13:22,710 --> 00:13:26,190 term doom scroll, I think, sets people up for failure. 216 00:13:26,190 --> 00:13:29,990 Right. And you're right if you think about it as a, you 217 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:33,470 know, a data problem. Right. Garbage in, garbage out. Right. If you're 218 00:13:33,470 --> 00:13:37,070 consuming junk content, well, you know, don't be surprised if you start having 219 00:13:37,070 --> 00:13:40,830 junk thoughts. Yeah. Or even think about, you know, the people who are 220 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:44,350 just swiping left or right. Whether it's, you know, TikTok or whether it's 221 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:48,360 Instagram or if it's dating apps or all that stuff is training your 222 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,760 brain to be highly reactive and highly 223 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,520 judgmental. And so you can't rest, you can't think, you 224 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,000 have no critical thought. And the World Economic 225 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Forum released a 2026 report called 226 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,960 the Human Advantage, which I think is just, again, 227 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,640 uncanny with the timing of my book. And it highlights 228 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,450 that AI handles more cognitive task. Right. But 229 00:14:13,450 --> 00:14:17,170 the global disease that's kind of the burden of 230 00:14:17,170 --> 00:14:20,890 people is the brain health, and that is 231 00:14:20,890 --> 00:14:24,610 a rising increase in what they call brain capital. 232 00:14:25,650 --> 00:14:29,329 And that's the piece that people are not paying attention to is they don't understand 233 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:33,490 that their proficiency for thinking, their proficiency for 234 00:14:33,970 --> 00:14:36,690 critical thought or decision making is being 235 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:40,540 hijacked by an amygdala that is 236 00:14:40,540 --> 00:14:44,300 operating in an absolute flooded state. Right. And so 237 00:14:44,300 --> 00:14:47,900 we start to, like, take our decision making and we off board it to, 238 00:14:47,900 --> 00:14:51,500 hey, what do you think? What do you think? Let's bring in the advisor, let's 239 00:14:51,500 --> 00:14:55,340 bring in a consultant. Because people have stopped trusting their gut 240 00:14:55,340 --> 00:14:58,940 or their own instinct or their own genius. And they 241 00:14:58,940 --> 00:15:01,900 don't want to subject themselves to possibly being 242 00:15:02,060 --> 00:15:05,180 criticized or, you know, making a mistake. 243 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,640 And it's because of this heightened state that becoming hypersensitive. 244 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Right. I think that's what's happening. I think that's what's happening to the 245 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,520 baby boomers right now. I think that the information 246 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,799 and the pace of life is just so quick 247 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,040 that they have no idea how 248 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,560 to relate to it, you know, as it's happening, you know, even from, 249 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,200 like, the simple things of, like, okay, someone who's gonna go see a psychiatrist. 250 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,790 Well, don't worry. Coming to my office, I'm gonna zoom you. What the hell is 251 00:15:37,790 --> 00:15:41,270 zoom? How do I find zoom? Do I have it on my phone? 252 00:15:41,590 --> 00:15:45,270 How do I. Is that an app? Like, you know, and I have, I have 253 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:48,470 these conversations with my mom all the time. She's 80, you know what I mean? 254 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:52,230 And just her trying to make sure she 255 00:15:52,230 --> 00:15:56,070 has her place in the world still. Right? And, and 256 00:15:56,150 --> 00:15:59,190 you, you, you wonder, like, what are we risking? 257 00:16:00,390 --> 00:16:04,110 You know, what are. What Are we risking in our humanity and 258 00:16:04,110 --> 00:16:07,490 that people aren't paying enough attention to. Yeah, 259 00:16:07,490 --> 00:16:10,450 yeah. What does it even mean? What does it even mean to be human anymore? 260 00:16:10,450 --> 00:16:13,730 Right? Because up until a few years ago, I had this debate with somebody recently. 261 00:16:13,730 --> 00:16:16,610 It was like, you know, up until a few years ago, we had the 262 00:16:17,250 --> 00:16:21,090 monopoly on creativity right up until, say, 263 00:16:21,650 --> 00:16:25,290 early 2021, right? Is when you started seeing a lot of the image 264 00:16:25,290 --> 00:16:28,530 generators kind of coming up. And 265 00:16:29,650 --> 00:16:32,850 now we don't have the monopoly on that anymore, right? So, like whenever you go 266 00:16:32,850 --> 00:16:36,170 back and you watch like, you know, Star Trek Next Generation, which is pretty funny, 267 00:16:36,170 --> 00:16:39,190 some of the things they say now in regards to AI and one of their 268 00:16:39,190 --> 00:16:42,830 things was, you know, well, to be human is truly to be creative, right? 269 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:47,070 And it's like, well, that's not necessarily. We don't have a monopoly 270 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:50,670 on that anymore. Yeah, right. And I know someone's out there thinking, 271 00:16:50,670 --> 00:16:54,270 well, you know, AI doesn't really create. It regurgitates what it's already 272 00:16:54,270 --> 00:16:56,750 seen. Like, how many people? 273 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:01,990 How many people, you know, arguably, you 274 00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:05,720 know, creativity. Even the great artists that you can think of take what 275 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,440 they've experienced and input themselves and then they output it in some new 276 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,880 novel way. Right? There's still arguably a, 277 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,080 you know, there hasn't been an original thought, so to speak, in, you 278 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,560 know, 10,000 years. That's one. One way to look at it. I don't 279 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:24,480 totally agree with that, but I can, you know, the whole resting on the 280 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,240 idea that only humans can be creative. Those. That's gone. I also think too, 281 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,240 like in terms of what you said about data processing, right. 282 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,280 You know, I don't care how hard you can hustle, right? 283 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,040 A, you cannot process data faster than an AI 284 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,680 can. Right. It's kind of like a bird trying to 285 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,480 outfly, you know, a supersonic jet. You know, 286 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,960 that bird can only grind, but for so long. Yeah, 287 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:54,840 yeah. And if you look at it from, 288 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,540 you know, the creativity aspect, you know, we 289 00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:02,900 are still tastemakers. You know, it's one thing that 290 00:18:03,380 --> 00:18:07,180 AI cannot do yet is context how this 291 00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:10,460 is applied. What does this look like? I mean, I've been playing with AI. I've 292 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:14,060 built my whole website using, you know, just. It's all 293 00:18:14,060 --> 00:18:17,700 hard coded, all from AI and thank you, Claude 294 00:18:17,700 --> 00:18:21,340 Code. And you know, I said, oh, you know what, I want to build 295 00:18:21,340 --> 00:18:24,940 this assessment. And I used to use Score app. Well, I just 296 00:18:24,940 --> 00:18:28,510 saved 70 bucks because now I just coded it, you know, with cloud code. 297 00:18:28,510 --> 00:18:31,710 Oh, let's get rid of type form. I can build that into and it's like 298 00:18:31,710 --> 00:18:35,390 I'm saving 220 bucks a month just because I learned AI 299 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:38,870 and I'm not even. I don't know. I don't know Python. I don't know 300 00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:42,470 JSON, I don't know any of this shit. I know. I know 301 00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:46,150 Ruby rails from like 2010 little course, but that's like 302 00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:49,990 it, right? But for the context 303 00:18:49,990 --> 00:18:53,480 of this conversation is to understand that the 304 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,120 AI is here and it's going to continue to be here. But 305 00:18:57,120 --> 00:19:00,960 the deeper question is, what you're asking is like, what does that mean 306 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,600 for us? Who are we going to be 307 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,440 in that time where AI is doing whatever utopian thing 308 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:12,080 we're hoping it will do? I've heard some say it could 309 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,920 take us back to the times of the Greek. Now, do we agree with why 310 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,200 the Greek had the time on their hands? They had a lot of slaves. That's 311 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,730 not something that's very politically correct. And it's. So let's just say the 312 00:19:22,730 --> 00:19:25,890 AI is doing what the AI is doing. What did they have 313 00:19:26,530 --> 00:19:30,050 available to them? And remember, it was only, it was only 314 00:19:30,050 --> 00:19:33,410 upper echelon who had that. Right, right. You know, was, you know, 315 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:37,170 somebody, you know, some. Somebody pointed this out. 316 00:19:37,570 --> 00:19:41,290 I'm sorry I cut you off. But like the Spartans, right? We think of. Spartans 317 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:44,890 are all warriors, right? Well, a lot of them were. Those are the ones calling 318 00:19:44,890 --> 00:19:48,650 the shots. But somebody had to forge the steel. Somebody had to be the blacksmith. 319 00:19:48,650 --> 00:19:52,450 Somebody had to make the shields, you know, the leather and things like that. Like, 320 00:19:52,450 --> 00:19:56,170 you know, there's kind of what we think of as, 321 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:59,770 as. As the society and there's like, actually how it works. Right. 322 00:20:00,650 --> 00:20:04,410 I think Spartans are a good example of that. Right. Speaking. Well, I would say 323 00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:08,130 there's two sides of this. So, yes, you're going to take me to the second 324 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:11,930 side of this. But the first one is that creativity, 325 00:20:12,410 --> 00:20:16,090 philosophy, art, like all of that creative 326 00:20:16,090 --> 00:20:19,920 nature was how people filled their time. And then you 327 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,560 get to the other side of the equation, and I think this is where the 328 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,600 employee experiment is starting to change. 329 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Whereas the last 150, 200 years prior to 330 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,120 that, we didn't have a lot of employees. Everybody, for the 331 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:39,640 most part, on some degree, was an entrepreneur. 332 00:20:40,360 --> 00:20:44,080 You had to bring something of value to the world, whether that was through 333 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,800 farming or like you said, a blacksmith, leatherman, like all these different 334 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,340 things had some kind of value that someone would trade, barter or 335 00:20:51,340 --> 00:20:54,980 buy. And now we're at this equation 336 00:20:54,980 --> 00:20:58,620 where if this does what we believe that is perspected 337 00:20:58,620 --> 00:21:02,420 to do, perspective, that's not even a word predicted to do 338 00:21:03,540 --> 00:21:07,180 is take jobs. Let's just say in 339 00:21:07,180 --> 00:21:10,660 whatever way or fashion, then what does that make me? 340 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:15,060 If my value and my identity was in my work 341 00:21:15,220 --> 00:21:18,960 and they take away your work, well, then how do you show up? 342 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,560 How do you make a living? How do you. And I would say now you 343 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,200 have to figure out how to actually bring meaning and contribution to the world on 344 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,040 your own. What is your creativity? What is your gift 345 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,880 to the world? How are you leveraging your experience and your knowledge base 346 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,800 in such a way that now that creativity is something of such value 347 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,520 that people will exchange their dollars or by 348 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,000 this time, Bitcoin, XRP or whatever 349 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,670 else for your thing, whether it be a 350 00:21:48,670 --> 00:21:52,150 product or a service. And so people are going to have to bring an 351 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:55,470 entrepreneurial spirit to the future of their career. 352 00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:58,750 And that's where I think a lot of people are choking, is they don't know 353 00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:01,870 how to do that. Because again, if trust has been 354 00:22:02,189 --> 00:22:05,950 diminished from government, from corporate, 355 00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:10,110 from other people, from our teams follow the line of the 356 00:22:10,110 --> 00:22:13,830 continuum. And where trust is really eroding is 357 00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:16,910 in ourselves. Yeah. Is that because 358 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:20,910 potentially, you know, AI can 359 00:22:20,910 --> 00:22:24,430 generate all these ideas, you know, instantly. 360 00:22:24,670 --> 00:22:28,390 And does that kind of affect how we feel about our own 361 00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:32,070 creative voice? Well, what do you do 362 00:22:32,070 --> 00:22:35,830 to execute on that? So it's one thing for AI to be 363 00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:39,070 able to, you know, like, I mean, shoot some of this, like 364 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:42,660 open claw and whatever is going to go in and spin up all of its 365 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:46,500 own ads and set up all of its accounts and blah, blah, blah, and just 366 00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,580 do its thing, right? Cool, cool, cool. And 367 00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:54,140 if we're going to say that AI can do creative, or 368 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:56,380 it can come up with concepts, ideas, whatever, 369 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:01,260 the execution now is how do I interact with other human beings? 370 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:05,660 Full stop. Because if we look at AI, 371 00:23:05,820 --> 00:23:09,670 every person in every industry, not every person, let me reframe 372 00:23:09,670 --> 00:23:13,470 that. Every industry, the companies are going to 373 00:23:13,470 --> 00:23:17,230 be competing with one another, not on anything but 374 00:23:17,550 --> 00:23:20,910 the humanity, because they're going to have the same SOPs 375 00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:24,430 built into the same task, into the same copy, 376 00:23:24,670 --> 00:23:28,470 same sales mechanisms, because the AI is going to optimize it 377 00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:32,070 to such a degree that each industry is going to have a carbon 378 00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:35,920 copy. So then the differentiator becomes who's 379 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,680 behind it? What's the promise they're making to those that they deliver for? And 380 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,160 do they back it up? And then secondarily, 381 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,920 on a cultural standpoint, how do you treat your employees? 382 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,760 What is their. Not just acumen, what is their 383 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,600 temperature on their leadership with one another? 384 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,800 Because that will also tell the customer base what the 385 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,580 company's all for and then follow that up the chain is who's leading? Are they 386 00:24:02,580 --> 00:24:05,980 trusted? Are they human? Are they authentic? 387 00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:10,460 Because that will be the differentiator of the future. Is 388 00:24:10,460 --> 00:24:13,340 that humanity? And in my book, I call that human success. 389 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:19,660 Interesting. There's a lot to unpack there, because you're right, people do identify 390 00:24:19,660 --> 00:24:23,020 themselves with their career. Right? You know, 391 00:24:23,260 --> 00:24:26,620 this is the cocktail party question. What do you do? Right. It's a very American 392 00:24:26,620 --> 00:24:29,940 thing, by the way. I'd have to throw that out. Yeah, it probably is. Yeah. 393 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:32,220 No, it really, really is. Because when I moved to Canada, 394 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,120 all of a sudden, I had no idea what anybody did for a living. 395 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,080 You didn't ask people. You found out eventually because you 396 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,800 got to know them. But in America, it's very like, who 397 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,080 are you? What do you do? And that's like the definition, right? Well, 398 00:24:48,479 --> 00:24:51,520 I'm talking to you guys right now from Portugal. Okay. 399 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,280 100%. You're spot on. Like, nobody cares, 400 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,760 you know, from the. It's the expats who are like, well, so what do you 401 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,280 do? What keeps you busy? Because they're looking for the normalcy of what they. 402 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,600 What they're. What they're used to from. From home. Exactly. And 403 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,600 the other thing is, like, people don't care about money here. Like, they. It's 404 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,440 just. It's not so in the States, like, it's like taboo. Let's not talk about 405 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,280 money or whatever. Or if we're talking about money, it's because of investments or 406 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,960 crypto or whatever. And here they just don't care. 407 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Like, you could be a surgeon or you could be, 408 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,470 you know, a storekeeper, and they're all going to hang out 409 00:25:31,470 --> 00:25:35,230 and share a beautiful bottle of Portuguese wine, 410 00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:38,750 watching the sun go down over the Atlantic Ocean. 411 00:25:39,550 --> 00:25:43,230 It's really an amazing kind of culture. And it's why 412 00:25:43,550 --> 00:25:46,270 my family and I, we've been here for the last four years, is because we 413 00:25:46,270 --> 00:25:49,550 chose to change the dynamics of how we interacted with life. 414 00:25:50,910 --> 00:25:54,710 And we created an existence that gave us the 415 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:58,270 freedom to be able to work from where we are and which, you know, the 416 00:25:58,270 --> 00:26:01,780 power of being online and then secondarily is my 417 00:26:01,780 --> 00:26:05,380 kids made this transition being 10 and 12 year old 418 00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:09,060 when we first came here, and now they're 16 and 17 419 00:26:10,900 --> 00:26:14,700 and they're speaking Portuguese. Their friends are 420 00:26:14,700 --> 00:26:18,420 from all over the world, so they're 421 00:26:18,420 --> 00:26:22,140 exposed to different languages, different foods, different ways. And for 422 00:26:22,140 --> 00:26:25,830 us, and this is kind of my world, is. I 423 00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:29,670 think life is about expansion in Whatever way 424 00:26:29,670 --> 00:26:33,430 you want to define that. And so as we look at 425 00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:36,870 all this change and transformation, if you go to 426 00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:40,350 scarcity, to fear and to constriction, 427 00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:43,390 you're actually choking off life. 428 00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:48,430 But the whole premise of the neuroresilient leader. And by resilient, 429 00:26:48,430 --> 00:26:52,230 I define not as, like, white knuckling, not as pushing through, not as 430 00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:56,070 surviving. But it is part of the expansion, which means as 431 00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:59,510 the pressure comes, the pressure only gives more power. 432 00:27:00,230 --> 00:27:03,590 You absorb it and you turn it into leverage, 433 00:27:03,910 --> 00:27:06,950 you turn it into opportunity. Because every challenge you face, 434 00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:11,350 one of two things. One is it's an invitation to a new reality, 435 00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:15,070 because the second piece is the universe has this 436 00:27:15,070 --> 00:27:18,830 uncanny ability to show you areas of 437 00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:20,630 your life where you are not yet free. 438 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320 And when you face a challenge, the challenge is not the 439 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,840 actual thing. It's the confrontation that that challenge brings you. 440 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,920 What does this challenge say about me, and am I 441 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,640 willing to face it for its truth? Or will I 442 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,200 deny it? Will I ignore it? Will I try and 443 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,240 push it off on somebody else? Or will I look 444 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,170 at it and say, this is not the kind of person I want to be? 445 00:27:48,170 --> 00:27:51,810 Or this is calling me up to a different realm, or this is my 446 00:27:51,810 --> 00:27:55,530 opportunity to move from where I'm at, to go to where I should be. 447 00:27:57,610 --> 00:28:01,050 Learning to release. That's when we start to connect to it. Exactly. No, that's it. 448 00:28:01,050 --> 00:28:04,770 No, I'm sorry. No, I just thinking, like, learning to release what's 449 00:28:04,770 --> 00:28:08,330 inside of you that is holding you back or 450 00:28:08,970 --> 00:28:12,090 causing you dread or trauma so that you can, 451 00:28:12,860 --> 00:28:16,540 like you said, live a life of expansion. Yeah. 452 00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:20,260 So. So let me. Let me unpack this just a little bit more. Remember, I 453 00:28:20,260 --> 00:28:23,940 said those. There's three things I threw out there real quick early in the conversation 454 00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:27,500 where I said, I don't deserve. I'm not worthy. I don't have what it takes. 455 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:31,540 And these are like three little gremlins in our heads. There's a lot to 456 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:34,620 unpack there. In the book, I talk about the Guardian, which is like your 457 00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:38,380 overprotective parent. That's that inner voice, the inner critic. It's not 458 00:28:38,380 --> 00:28:41,700 there to be an enemy. It's actually there to try and keep you safe. 459 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:46,060 Right? So when you step into something, it's going to be that 460 00:28:46,060 --> 00:28:49,620 overprotective parent or the auntie that's like, oh, who do you think you 461 00:28:49,700 --> 00:28:53,500 are? What do you think you're doing? You know? And that's 462 00:28:53,500 --> 00:28:57,220 that voice where what it's really trying to do is say, hey, that other 463 00:28:57,620 --> 00:29:01,460 thing that you're seeing or facing looks scary. And I 464 00:29:01,460 --> 00:29:04,660 don't know if I want to go. I would rather stay here in my chaos 465 00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:08,370 or complacency, because at least here I know what to expect, 466 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:12,850 right? So now, as we're going towards this thing called success, 467 00:29:14,290 --> 00:29:17,730 you're going to be faced with those three questions. Do I deserve? 468 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,970 Am I worthy? Do I have what it takes? So as I'm walking up, like, 469 00:29:20,970 --> 00:29:24,570 do I deserve this opportunity? Do I have what it takes 470 00:29:24,570 --> 00:29:27,650 to make this happen, to get this role, to work with these people? 471 00:29:28,210 --> 00:29:31,570 Like, those are the questions you get up to this thing you call success. 472 00:29:32,420 --> 00:29:35,900 Whether it's the money, whether it's the role, whether it's the company, whatever, whatever. You 473 00:29:35,900 --> 00:29:39,620 come onto the other side and the exact same questions come up. 474 00:29:40,580 --> 00:29:43,820 Do I deserve to make this kind of money? My dad never made this kind 475 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:47,620 of money. Am I worthy of this accolades, 476 00:29:48,180 --> 00:29:51,860 this visibility, this role, this corner 477 00:29:51,860 --> 00:29:55,620 office? Do I have what it takes? If I had an 478 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:59,080 exit and I made all this money, I can't do the next thing, because what 479 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840 if people finally find out I'm a fraud? What if this next thing 480 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,280 doesn't go as successful as the other one? What if I screwed up? What if 481 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,000 I lose it all? And really, the root. I'm 482 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,520 sorry I cut you off. Is that really the root of imposter syndrome? You think 483 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,920 so? Imposter syndrome, I think at its 484 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,200 core is actually the 485 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,730 distance between who you know you can 486 00:30:24,730 --> 00:30:27,650 be and who you're actually living as. 487 00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:32,010 Ooh. Oh, I really, really 488 00:30:32,010 --> 00:30:35,490 like that. We struggle 489 00:30:36,050 --> 00:30:38,050 to believe in our own greatness. 490 00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:43,290 We've allowed whatever your 491 00:30:43,290 --> 00:30:46,610 circumstances, your environment or whatever, to 492 00:30:48,290 --> 00:30:52,060 impute upon us a belief that we are 493 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:55,460 smaller and weaker than we are actually capable. 494 00:30:56,740 --> 00:31:00,420 And so the clients that I work with, the people that 495 00:31:00,420 --> 00:31:04,260 I walk these journeys with, will 496 00:31:04,260 --> 00:31:08,100 tell me moments where they feel like they're inauthentic because they 497 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:11,700 see something great that they're doing, they're building, they're creating 498 00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:15,660 in some form and expressing. But right now, 499 00:31:15,660 --> 00:31:17,750 they can't see it, feel it, touch it, or taste it. 500 00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:22,620 And so my question to them is, you know, twofold. One is, 501 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:26,580 are you waiting to be the beautiful butterfly? Because you're the 502 00:31:26,580 --> 00:31:30,380 squishy middle in the middle of your chrysalis, because 503 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:33,740 this is the formation and it's a necessary part of the journey. 504 00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:38,020 And then number two is the reality is what 505 00:31:38,020 --> 00:31:41,660 you see out there, you have to possess and pull 506 00:31:41,660 --> 00:31:45,430 into now. And suddenly when you 507 00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:49,150 do that, your identity shifts. The way 508 00:31:49,150 --> 00:31:52,950 you carry yourself, the way you talk, the way you make Decisions is 509 00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:56,550 made in light of where you're going, not 510 00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:59,190 where you are or where you've been. 511 00:32:00,470 --> 00:32:03,910 And that's the dislocation. We think 512 00:32:03,990 --> 00:32:07,830 where we are is truth. But what we're living right now is a product 513 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:11,660 of the past. It's the decisions we made, the way that 514 00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:15,140 we acted, the chances we took, the challenges we 515 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:18,820 faced, and we defined ourselves by that. So where we 516 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:22,180 are right now is only an expression of the past. 517 00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:27,060 And if you want to change the future, you have to do it different. 518 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:31,420 It's that thing where we say you're doing the same things over and over again, 519 00:32:31,420 --> 00:32:34,580 expecting different results. That's that definition of insanity. 520 00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:39,290 So this neuroresilient leader is painting that picture 521 00:32:39,290 --> 00:32:43,130 emotionally, psychologically, and in some ways 522 00:32:43,130 --> 00:32:46,970 spiritually of an identity of who you 523 00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:50,649 know and see yourself to be. So suddenly now 524 00:32:50,649 --> 00:32:53,970 your eyes are open to all the promise, all the hope. 525 00:32:54,370 --> 00:32:58,170 And I challenge everybody, every conversation with what I call the Spice Girl 526 00:32:58,170 --> 00:33:01,330 principle. Tell me what you want, what you really, really want. 527 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:06,010 Because the moment you get clear on that, your future 528 00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:10,330 has now a bridge because you finally gave 529 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:13,770 yourself permission to become the greatness. 530 00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:18,890 And that's where most people are hung up. And all 531 00:33:18,890 --> 00:33:22,730 of this external stuff is keeping us distracted of 532 00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:26,330 the power and sovereignty and agency we already possess. 533 00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:33,100 Wow, I'm feeling very uplifted. No, for real. I 534 00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:36,340 mean, I mean, and I think it's good to hear that even 535 00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:39,300 successful, high performing leaders 536 00:33:41,220 --> 00:33:44,980 still feel stuck. Right. 100. You know, you see them, 537 00:33:44,980 --> 00:33:48,580 you know, sometimes, you know, you mentioned crypto, right? Like you see the crypto 538 00:33:48,580 --> 00:33:52,420 bros. And you know, you see that kind of, you know, people flexing with 539 00:33:52,420 --> 00:33:56,160 the, whether it's luxury car, whether it's this. And 540 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,560 I mean, I wonder what goes through their head. 541 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,960 And you know, I think sometimes the more 542 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,600 arrogant somebody comes across and maybe they're 543 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,400 overcompensating to that. I don't know. Like, I mean, it's 100%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 544 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200 I mean, it's just fascinating to kind of see. And I wonder how many people 545 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,660 are kind of stuck in their own head. Probably all of us to some 546 00:34:20,660 --> 00:34:23,500 degree and not aware. Yeah, 547 00:34:24,380 --> 00:34:27,020 so most of my clients are high net worth. 548 00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:30,220 They're on some level of 549 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:35,299 achievement that they got to a level 550 00:34:35,299 --> 00:34:38,380 where what they were doing no longer works. 551 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,260 Right. And as I stated before, most people are 552 00:34:43,260 --> 00:34:46,850 operating from that path. So there's a, a chip on their shoulder. 553 00:34:46,850 --> 00:34:50,610 They're trying to prove something to someone. You know, there's some kind of 554 00:34:51,010 --> 00:34:54,850 dark energy, you know, that's empowering. Them to 555 00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:58,290 move mountains and change, you know, the face of life 556 00:34:59,570 --> 00:35:03,250 until they get to a point where that stops being the fuel, that fuel 557 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:07,090 no longer works, right? And so they need a new translation. So 558 00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:10,050 that's one piece for some of the people I work with. The second piece is, 559 00:35:10,290 --> 00:35:13,170 if you notice every high performer, every great 560 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,000 orator speaker, every great politician, every great 561 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,600 athlete, every great actor, all had coaches. 562 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,920 Some mentor, some. Someone was given 563 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,680 permission to hold a mirror up to him and says, see this? This is your 564 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,760 bullshit. And how would you like to fix this? 565 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,920 Right? Let me show you the way. Because to 566 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,480 your point, what divides us from where we 567 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,280 are to where we want to be is the friction of 568 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,800 the belief, the permission, 569 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,120 and that qualification that we've defined for 570 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,720 ourselves. And that's the problem is 571 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,440 we set the bar too small for what we deserve, what we're 572 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,040 worthy, or what we have. Do we have what it 573 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,730 takes. But now you have some outsider come and 574 00:36:07,730 --> 00:36:11,090 start showing you a different perspective, starts helping you reframe, 575 00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:14,770 reshape the stories, all of a sudden, 576 00:36:14,770 --> 00:36:18,090 the shackles have been set free, right? 577 00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:21,970 And every one of us do that. I have coaches. I've spent over a hundred 578 00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:25,690 grand on people to help me get out of my own way. 579 00:36:26,970 --> 00:36:30,250 I went through a season where I blew up my business. I went through 580 00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:33,690 addiction, I went through a divorce, I was an alcoholic, 581 00:36:34,010 --> 00:36:37,620 I blew up my life, something royal. And then 582 00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:41,740 I started seeing a counselor, and I learned about human behavior 583 00:36:41,740 --> 00:36:45,300 and psychology and emotional 584 00:36:45,300 --> 00:36:48,260 intelligence and all this stuff. I had no idea what that stuff was. 585 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:53,460 And once you see, you can't unsee it anymore. 586 00:36:56,980 --> 00:37:00,620 That's true. And it's kind of funny. We talked about this a little bit in 587 00:37:00,620 --> 00:37:04,430 the virtual green room. You know, I'm a survivor. Listeners know this. I'm a 588 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:08,270 survivor of the World Trade Center. And, you know, I was late 589 00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:11,990 for work, right? And horrible 590 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:15,830 thing, horrible thing. That day was bad. The following two, three years was really 591 00:37:15,830 --> 00:37:19,590 bad. But it wasn't until I kind of did get counseling and kind 592 00:37:19,590 --> 00:37:22,990 of, like, did realize, like, there's a gift here that I was 593 00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:26,350 inadvertently given was, 594 00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:30,230 you know, the ability to just stop and pause and kind of step outside myself, 595 00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:34,060 Like. And that's helped me in 596 00:37:34,060 --> 00:37:37,220 a lot of ways because I think there's a lot of 597 00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:40,900 biochemistry that happens that we're not consciously aware of, 598 00:37:42,820 --> 00:37:46,180 even to the point where some philosophers are wondering, do we really have free will? 599 00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:49,980 And that's a whole other thing, right? But like you mentioned the amygdala. The amygdala 600 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:53,700 will process signals kind of like BIOS in a computer. Right. Like before, 601 00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:57,840 before the CPU even sees anything. Right. So to speak. We like 602 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,000 to think that we live in our heads. We are the masters of our 603 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,360 domain. Clearly that's not true. 604 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,760 But the amygdala will process things before you even 605 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,240 are consciously aware. One story I give was we were on a 606 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:17,000 cruise ship and it's the first time we went cruising. All of a sudden 607 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,400 we were at dinner. I feel incredibly anxious 608 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,680 and I'm like, sometimes I'm good at it, sometimes I'm 609 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,520 so good at it, not so good at it. But this time I really was 610 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,340 self aw aware to the point where I had a Fitbit I was tracking. 611 00:38:31,340 --> 00:38:34,900 I could feel my heart beating in my chest. I'm like, we're at dinner on 612 00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:38,580 a cruise. Like why am I, why am I freaking out? 613 00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:42,580 And I kind of like took a couple deep breaths, kind of 614 00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:46,340 realized assassin might in imminent danger. Right. I'm not. 615 00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:50,380 And I kind of realized it was the way that the engine was 616 00:38:50,380 --> 00:38:54,220 thumping the waves or something like that was exactly the same 617 00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:57,800 tone, pitch, everything, cadence as 618 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,680 when the towers fell. Yeah. And I felt that in my 619 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,200 feet. And I kind of, once I 620 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,760 realized that like, oh well, one, I'm not going crazy, so yay me. 621 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,920 And two, I was able to kind of walk back and get my heart rate 622 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,440 back down to like normal and enjoy the rest of the meal. Right 623 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,760 to the point where my wife knew that something 624 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,550 was definitely up with me and my kids were there. I had to time. I 625 00:39:23,550 --> 00:39:26,270 only had the two kids. But then I realized like, this is what this is, 626 00:39:26,270 --> 00:39:28,230 so I can kind of like walk it back. And I was able to like 627 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:31,950 rejoin. But that level of self awareness didn't, 628 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:35,470 did not come easy. You know, you talked about blowing up your life. 629 00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:39,390 Been there, done that. But like, 630 00:39:39,390 --> 00:39:43,190 you know, just in a strange roundabout way, it's kind of a 631 00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:46,110 gift. Yeah. Yeah, 632 00:39:46,990 --> 00:39:50,280 I treat it as that too. Is, is, you know, 633 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,920 when you go through stuff, right. This shapes and 634 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,440 forms you. And in some I say that, 635 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,200 you know, it made me fearless because when you lose everything, 636 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,880 you're not afraid to lose it again. Right. Most 637 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,720 people have again hung up their identity on all these, these different 638 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:13,480 factors. Thank you so much for sharing that the 639 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,140 story. And I think, you know, 640 00:40:17,780 --> 00:40:21,540 there's so many people who probably still walk around with a lot of the 641 00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:24,580 weight, you know, from, from going through that. 642 00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:28,700 And part of, you know, this concept of this 643 00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:32,500 clarity and capacity is that element 644 00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:34,660 of reframing those stories. 645 00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:39,940 In my book, I talk about when I Went to work 646 00:40:40,420 --> 00:40:44,260 with a buddy of mine, Jeremiah, and we built a company 647 00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:47,380 together called Crowd Companies. It was a Fortune 500 648 00:40:49,060 --> 00:40:51,780 brands coming together in an innovation association. 649 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:55,820 And when I first started with him, I didn't know anything about the industry of, 650 00:40:55,820 --> 00:40:59,100 like, Airbnb, Uber Lyft. We were tracking all the 651 00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:02,860 investments coming into this peer to peer space, and then that spun 652 00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:06,660 into crypto, then autonomous vehicles and drone 653 00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:09,460 delivery and just crazy innovation. Cool stuff. 654 00:41:10,330 --> 00:41:13,610 And I always believed 655 00:41:14,570 --> 00:41:17,370 that I got lucky, that in 2013, 656 00:41:18,090 --> 00:41:21,730 Jeremiah gave me a shot. And 657 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:23,850 I'm writing this book last year, 658 00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:29,690 and I was going through that story in my head as I was writing it, 659 00:41:30,490 --> 00:41:34,010 and I got this revelation that 660 00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:37,960 I didn't just get lucky, that he didn't just choose 661 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,600 me, but he needed someone with my 662 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,400 skill set and I was just the right person for the job. And he 663 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,560 was the vehicle to help me get in front of the right people to deliver 664 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,320 my gift to the world. And it 665 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,160 completely shifted my identity because the 666 00:41:57,240 --> 00:42:00,600 story changed. And so as I'm sitting here in front of my laptop, 667 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,720 I'm bawling in the middle of fricking Starbucks 668 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,240 as I'm writing my book. And I just felt this 669 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:12,080 huge release. And it was, you know, 670 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,880 yeah, I was invigorating, yes, it was liberating, but 671 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,800 it was the shift of identity. And as I tell people, 672 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,600 as I wrote this book, this book wrote me. And I 673 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,240 could not have released this book six years ago or five years ago 674 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:31,050 because Angus wasn't ready. Right. And 675 00:42:31,050 --> 00:42:34,810 I had to be shaped so that I could articulate this world, this. 676 00:42:34,810 --> 00:42:38,330 This book, into a world from a place that I could 677 00:42:39,050 --> 00:42:42,490 not just say, hey, here's some intellectual, you know, 678 00:42:42,970 --> 00:42:46,250 pontification. Like, this is a lived 679 00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:49,850 reality and the 680 00:42:49,850 --> 00:42:53,570 authenticity. And I'm going to go back to what you were saying before when you 681 00:42:53,570 --> 00:42:56,940 felt that thing on the cruise ship, right? There is a 682 00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,700 legitimacy to an energetic exchange. When you 683 00:43:00,700 --> 00:43:03,540 talk to someone and you're looking them straight in the eyes, they're talking, you're like, 684 00:43:03,620 --> 00:43:07,460 you are full of shit. You don't say that because you're polite, 685 00:43:07,540 --> 00:43:11,139 but you just know something's not right. Or 686 00:43:11,139 --> 00:43:14,980 you're in line with somebody and you suddenly feel 687 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:18,820 like everything inside you is like, oh, God, I just feel stressed. And you're like, 688 00:43:18,900 --> 00:43:22,570 this person in front of you has some weird vibe 689 00:43:22,570 --> 00:43:26,170 and energy they're giving off. They're just agitated and it's 690 00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:28,290 coming off, it's slopping on you. 691 00:43:29,970 --> 00:43:33,770 So we are communicating on these different levels that 692 00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:37,610 are beyond just our conscious thought. And the more that we start paying attention. I'm 693 00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:40,930 not saying this to be woo. I'm not saying this to be all New 694 00:43:40,930 --> 00:43:44,690 Agey and we're not going to like, you know, talk to our ancestral 695 00:43:44,930 --> 00:43:48,050 whatever peoples. I'm saying this is real 696 00:43:48,450 --> 00:43:52,290 science, that the more that we know about this, 697 00:43:52,290 --> 00:43:55,370 the more brain capital 698 00:43:56,330 --> 00:44:00,170 we possess. Yeah, 699 00:44:00,250 --> 00:44:04,050 you're absolutely right. Like, and, and you know, there's a. There's a tendency 700 00:44:04,050 --> 00:44:07,890 to kind of dismiss this. And maybe this is people's inner, inner 701 00:44:07,890 --> 00:44:11,370 ante, I think, is the word you used, right? You know, like, oh, this is 702 00:44:11,370 --> 00:44:14,890 just hocus pocus, right? You know, this, you know, we're not talking about going to 703 00:44:15,390 --> 00:44:19,110 Peru and smoking ayahuasca or whatever and singing Kumbaya. This 704 00:44:19,110 --> 00:44:22,830 is very real. One phrase I kind of came to terms 705 00:44:22,830 --> 00:44:26,590 with in the last decade or two was like, no matter 706 00:44:26,590 --> 00:44:30,430 what happens to you, what happens to you to the 707 00:44:30,430 --> 00:44:34,190 day you die, you're stuck with you. What happens to you after 708 00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:37,830 that, I mean, that's up for the interpretation. But as long as I'm on this 709 00:44:37,830 --> 00:44:40,990 earth and I'm breathing, I am stuck with me. I might as well make me 710 00:44:40,990 --> 00:44:44,460 someone I want to spend time with. And you know, 711 00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:48,820 I haven't quite gone so far down the personal coaching path 712 00:44:48,820 --> 00:44:52,660 as you. Although I do aspire to that. Because, you know, 713 00:44:52,660 --> 00:44:54,700 ultimately, if you invest in yourself, 714 00:44:56,300 --> 00:44:58,940 that's an, that's an investment that you are going to 715 00:45:00,060 --> 00:45:03,900 benefit from for as long as you're alive, right? At least 716 00:45:03,900 --> 00:45:07,740 that. Who knows after that, maybe, maybe you'll come back and you'll benefit. I 717 00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:11,350 don't know. But people, I think, underestimate 718 00:45:11,350 --> 00:45:12,990 that, right? I think we live in a very 719 00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:18,670 empirical society, right, where only 720 00:45:18,670 --> 00:45:21,790 the physical exists. And I think 721 00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:25,910 there used to be a rich esoteric tradition, right? You talk about 722 00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:29,710 ancestors. My grandmother, my great grandmother would always tell these kind of weird, 723 00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:33,430 kind of crazy folk tales and things like that. We kind of 724 00:45:33,430 --> 00:45:36,150 thrown that all out. We thrown the baby out with the bathwater. And we live 725 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,280 in a very empirical, very physical world. And I think that once you get to 726 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,080 a certain point, that's very empty right 727 00:45:43,720 --> 00:45:47,240 now. Obviously the good thing is we don't burn people at the stake for 728 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:50,960 witchcraft anymore, you know? You know, 729 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,640 generally that doesn't happen. That's good. But I think we also lost a certain amount 730 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:56,840 of flavor and soul to that. 731 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,600 I agree with that. And I'm listening to everything you're saying. And I'm 732 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,020 saying I'm an adult and I can take in this information 733 00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:10,740 and I can Think about, you know, trying to, you know, really 734 00:46:10,740 --> 00:46:14,300 listen to my intuition, to what I feel is right for 735 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:18,020 me. But what I keep on coming back to in my mind is 736 00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:21,780 Generation Z. And these children, 737 00:46:21,940 --> 00:46:25,620 I have, two of them were raised in 738 00:46:26,020 --> 00:46:29,060 such a traumatic experience 739 00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:33,620 with COVID that they're all walking around with 740 00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:37,220 PTSD and nobody is 741 00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:40,980 doing anything about it. Like, and. And they're. 742 00:46:40,980 --> 00:46:44,500 And they're suffering and their children 743 00:46:44,660 --> 00:46:48,340 who are trying to understand all this when there are adults 744 00:46:48,340 --> 00:46:52,140 that don't even understand it. Right, because you've seen. I mean, because you said 745 00:46:52,140 --> 00:46:55,980 you, you know, you moved. It was right. Right around, I believe, when the pandemic 746 00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:58,740 happened. Right. And you said, I'm getting the hell out of Dodge, 747 00:46:59,700 --> 00:47:03,020 you know, And. And that wasn't a bad idea, you know, and it was like 748 00:47:03,020 --> 00:47:06,820 the first time since I'd moved to Canada where everybody stopped saying, 749 00:47:06,820 --> 00:47:10,580 why? Yeah. Every time. Because I'm from New York. 750 00:47:10,660 --> 00:47:14,220 New York is amazing. You know, I'm saying I'm in New York. Right. But no 751 00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:18,020 one, no one, no one questioned me once. Once Covid hit. 752 00:47:18,260 --> 00:47:22,060 And then you have all these children who, like, couldn't go 753 00:47:22,060 --> 00:47:25,300 to school and didn't learn how to properly 754 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:29,020 socialize. Right. And completely 755 00:47:29,020 --> 00:47:32,540 addicted to their phones because that was their 756 00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:36,220 only outlet. Right. Well, we had 757 00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,900 kids going to school on Zoom. They had kindergarten in our 758 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:43,740 old school district on Zoom, which sounds like the punchline to a Saturday 759 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:47,500 Night Live skit. Oh, yeah. Right. So think about, you know, 760 00:47:47,500 --> 00:47:51,300 the human side of this. And this is why I believe this work is 761 00:47:51,300 --> 00:47:54,940 so critical and so important, is we're having to retrain 762 00:47:54,940 --> 00:47:58,780 people into a way that's always been. That 763 00:47:58,780 --> 00:48:02,420 has become so foreign and 764 00:48:03,380 --> 00:48:07,100 to your point. Yeah, we were actually. Our vision board to move to 765 00:48:07,100 --> 00:48:10,900 Portugal was. Well, actually just to move to Europe. Portugal wasn't even on 766 00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:14,620 the map. In our brain was 2024. And 767 00:48:14,620 --> 00:48:17,700 in the middle of COVID we're like, what are we waiting for? Let's just go. 768 00:48:18,020 --> 00:48:21,220 And we lived here for a year. That was the plan. And then we turned 769 00:48:21,220 --> 00:48:23,850 to the kids, said, what do you think my kids are like? Why would we 770 00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:27,570 go back? Because the level of safety and independence they have 771 00:48:27,570 --> 00:48:31,210 here, etc. Etc. But that point that you just 772 00:48:31,210 --> 00:48:34,850 made about children not knowing how to connect, 773 00:48:34,850 --> 00:48:38,210 but at the same time, the adults not knowing how to bridge that, 774 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:42,930 that's the problem we're talking about. This is such 775 00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:45,730 a massive issue. 776 00:48:46,930 --> 00:48:50,730 And I'm going to say this, too, if you're still listening to 777 00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:53,500 us, like, pontificating here right now 778 00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:59,540 is More important to me that you get this movement than you buy 779 00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:02,700 my frickin book. I would love for you to buy my book. And then when 780 00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:06,380 we have the audio, buy my audiobook. Cool, cool, cool. But 781 00:49:07,260 --> 00:49:11,020 go to Freebook VIP and download 782 00:49:11,020 --> 00:49:13,900 the PDF for free. My gift to you 783 00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:18,480 because I want you to wrap your brain around this. It's 784 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:19,200 this important. 785 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,480 The first five chapters, you will immediately know 786 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,320 what we're talking about. Because 787 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,280 I was very intentional not to make this 788 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:39,040 psychobabble, very intentional not to make it academic 789 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,640 and use all fancy terms, but your nervous 790 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,300 system is driving the car 791 00:49:46,300 --> 00:49:50,100 right now. And I opened the book to 792 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,580 imagine yourself as the driver of an F1 793 00:49:53,820 --> 00:49:57,540 vehicle with a $15 million engine in 794 00:49:57,540 --> 00:50:01,300 your chassis. And everything's clocking, everything's going 795 00:50:01,300 --> 00:50:05,140 great, except there's a rattle in your dashboard and you 796 00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:08,900 don't know why, and the rattle is keeping you distracted and 797 00:50:08,900 --> 00:50:12,460 suddenly you're missing your lines, you're not taking your turns, you're hitting your brake too 798 00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:14,780 early, you're not punching when you should, 799 00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:19,430 and therefore you're not performing in the way that you are capable. 800 00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:24,590 And this book, this mission is not to 801 00:50:24,590 --> 00:50:27,510 fix the car, it's to fix the driver. 802 00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:33,350 Yeah, no, I, I, I, I, I love that 803 00:50:33,350 --> 00:50:37,150 analogy. I think it, it sums it up perfectly, right? There's 804 00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:40,950 a, there's a he since passed away, but there was a 805 00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:44,720 guy who was a, like an industrial designer type guy at Microsoft 806 00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,040 and named Bill Hill. And he would, he would say like, you know, when you're 807 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,840 writing apps, you're not writing it for Windows, you're not writing it for the Mac, 808 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,640 you're not writing it for iPhone, you're writing it for the human operating system. And 809 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,280 anything I've done since I heard that, and it was a stupid, like little 810 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,880 five minute video that he gave talk that he gave in 2004. 811 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,680 I still think of that to this day. When I build something, I still think 812 00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:10,320 about whether it's a book, a slide deck, a podcast. 813 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,120 I think about that, right? Because the human operating system is something we're stuck 814 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,880 with. There's no update in sight. Best we could do is patch 815 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,000 it, but we have to work around it. And I do want to. I could 816 00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,520 talk for another hour or two because there's a lot of stuff we didn't cover. 817 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,520 But I definitely recommend. Folks, it's Freebook vip. 818 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,760 Yep, I have gone. I skimmed the book and I had 819 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,600 AI kind of process the summary for me, but I'm definitely going to 820 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,350 read it now. I eagerly await the audiobook But 821 00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:42,790 I want to be respectful of your time. I could talk for another hour, but. 822 00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:46,390 And as a fellow podcaster, you know who's going to be doing the audiobook. 823 00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:50,470 Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. 824 00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:54,790 I like writing. I, you know, even though I do augment my stuff with 825 00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:58,390 AI, writing is very cathartic. Right. It helps you process things. 826 00:51:58,710 --> 00:52:01,950 Right. It takes a lot of that, like your experience. Right. It takes a lot 827 00:52:01,950 --> 00:52:05,360 of that stuff that's in the undertow of the subconscious. Kind of brings it up 828 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,440 and you wash it off and you kind of like, huh, I can learn something 829 00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,880 from that. You know, it's a very cathartic process. I write for 830 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,640 therapy. Literally, I write a lot. Even before AI, I 831 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,360 love that. And somebody taught me this. I 832 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:23,280 wrote a, two other books before this one. I released one 833 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,120 just sitting on a hard drive. And 834 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:30,690 my, my coach, my writing coach said, get it 835 00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:34,530 written, then get it right. Because what you just 836 00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:37,850 said, like, get it all out, flow, 837 00:52:38,410 --> 00:52:41,810 right? And then you can go. And that's when you shape it, that's when you 838 00:52:41,810 --> 00:52:45,210 make it what it needs to be. But if you don't go through that process, 839 00:52:45,290 --> 00:52:49,050 you'll never get to the end now. 840 00:52:49,050 --> 00:52:52,810 Exactly. I like that. Well, we could talk for another hour. I want to be 841 00:52:52,810 --> 00:52:56,500 respectful of your time. Any final thoughts, Candace? I'm just 842 00:52:56,500 --> 00:53:00,260 blown away. I've already gone to the website I'm downloading as 843 00:53:00,260 --> 00:53:04,060 we speak. I, I, I 844 00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:07,100 found this to be not just 845 00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:10,860 intellectually stimulating, but like soulful, 846 00:53:11,259 --> 00:53:14,780 you know, hopeful, really hopeful, which I think is 847 00:53:15,180 --> 00:53:18,220 something that people aren't having right now and they're struggling with. 848 00:53:18,860 --> 00:53:21,830 And so I think that you have really, 849 00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:26,070 you've really, your fingers on the pulse of something just vitally 850 00:53:26,070 --> 00:53:29,670 important for us all, all to investigate and understand better 851 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:34,470 than you. 100%. Thank you. This is, this is where you 852 00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:38,510 have to leave your role and attach to 853 00:53:38,510 --> 00:53:42,270 your soul. Oh. Because that's the 854 00:53:42,270 --> 00:53:45,830 important piece. And we've forgotten that part of our 855 00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:49,500 society. Everybody is so agitated 856 00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:52,180 and so irritable and so reactive, 857 00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:56,780 so fearful. Yes, because they're operating from 858 00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:59,860 some role that they think they're supposed to play. 859 00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:04,020 And my ambition is to get people to reconnect with their soul. 860 00:54:04,660 --> 00:54:08,420 Right. The, the market is not rewarding your effort 861 00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:12,100 anymore. It's only going to reward 862 00:54:12,100 --> 00:54:15,520 when you stay regulated, when you stay human. 863 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,320 Right. And the AI is just going to get faster and faster. It's going to 864 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:23,120 do more. But can you be calm? Can you be 865 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,400 conscious? Can you be present? 866 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,080 Because your humanity, when it's properly regulated, like that's the 867 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,080 competitive advantage. And 868 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,560 I think when increasingly more so. Sorry I cut you off recently. 869 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,420 More. Right. And so when we get to that 870 00:54:42,420 --> 00:54:46,140 stage and we get to connect with ourselves, 871 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:50,020 to give ourselves permission to step into our power, to give ourselves 872 00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:53,500 agency, to take on our sovereignty, 873 00:54:54,300 --> 00:54:58,060 then we're actually going to step that last piece, which is the composure. 874 00:54:58,220 --> 00:55:01,740 And in that composure, the power that we possess in that 875 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:05,420 moment is that person who has nothing, nothing to gain, 876 00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:09,220 nothing to prove, nothing to lose. And it's the most 877 00:55:09,220 --> 00:55:13,020 powerful person in any room. And my hope is that 878 00:55:13,020 --> 00:55:16,180 you, as the listener, learn to connect to that. 879 00:55:17,540 --> 00:55:21,220 Wow, that's powerful. I can't come up with a better ending 880 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:24,780 thing than that. Thank you, Angus, for coming on the show. 881 00:55:24,780 --> 00:55:27,380 It's freebook vip, definitely check it out. 882 00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:31,700 I'm going to load it on my Kindle as soon as this call ends, actually. 883 00:55:32,340 --> 00:55:36,180 Well, thank you, Frank. Thank you, Candice, especially Frank. 884 00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:40,020 Just reaching out and just saying, hey, want to be my show. I 885 00:55:40,020 --> 00:55:43,820 just love your generosity and your spontaneity. So thank you. Awesome. 886 00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:46,940 Thank you. Thank you very much. And with that, we'll play the outro music.