[00:00:00] five men were found dead in the mountains. That alone is not unusual. What is unusual is who they were. These were not men built for isolation or exposure.
[00:00:12] They relied on routine. On familiarity on the assumption that help would come when it was needed. They were capable of making decisions but not built to survive being abandoned by every system meant to catch them when something went wrong, at least one of them lived long enough to understand that long enough to try to hold on long enough for survival to become a matter of time, not panic, and that is where the story breaks.
[00:00:42] Because when people this vulnerable are left to die, the question is no longer how they got lost. It's why no one intervened before the outcome became inevitable. This case isn't disturbing because five men disappeared. It's disturbing because they were never as protected as they should have been.
[00:01:02] Welcome to the House of Syx. Tonight we present stillness, snow, and the space between. This is the story of the Yuba County. Five
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[00:01:19] Jenn Syx: welcome to the House of Syx. I’m Jen. I’m Jared. It
is rainy and cold and yucky outside. It sucks. It does. And so we are
here to bring you some joy with some very awful stories. That’s what we
do here on this podcast. Have you ever heard of the Yuba County? Five
Yuba County? Yuba County? Yuba County five.
[00:01:54] Nope. Maybe the Yuba County three, but not the five. I don’t
know that story. No, you’ll have, you’ll I’ll tell it to. You’ll it to
me someday. It’s probably very exciting. Yeah. That was a stupid joke
anyway. Yep. Yuba County five. Yep. You don’t know what it’s about.
No. It includes five people. Check. Yep. Yep. So I’m breaking my rule
just a little bit and I’ve actually gone past my line in the sand for
timeline Ah, ah, okay.
[00:02:27] As it goes, uh, because this happens in 1978, so I’m breaking
the rules a little bit here. That’s all right. It’s all right.
[00:02:34] It’s all right.
[00:02:35] It is, this is a very interesting story and it’s, it’s pretty
sad ’cause it, it, uh, involves some vulnerable humans, which I guess
we’re all v vulnerable. We’re just, you know, soft bags of flush.
[00:02:54] I can’t even go anywhere with that. And, uh, so I guess we
all are in some way, but, uh, this is a little bit extra. So it is very
sad and I’m going to try to be as sensitive as possible. Um, don’t cry.
Not today, not today. I’ve already covered my quota of crying today.
True. So, which is really funny because I don’t cry very much.
[00:03:20] Nope. But you know, the world’s a weird place right now, and
it’s just a little stressful. So sometimes you gotta stop watching the
news and turn it off and take a mental health break and just be with
your family, be with your pets and your kids, and your spouses and your
friends, and you gotta take a moment to enjoy the things that you’re
supposed to enjoy in life.
[00:03:49] Yeah. This has been a PSA and this, oh, I didn’t even
[00:03:52] recognize
[00:03:53] jingle. Yeah,
[00:03:54] Jared Syx: yeah,
[00:03:54] Jenn Syx: yeah, that’s, this is true. I wish I knew what the,
what were the, um, the PSAs that were for, for afterschool specials and
stuff, they were called something really specific. I only remember the
one that was, uh, I’m just a bill. On Capitol Hill.
[00:04:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then there was that terrifying one in
the eighties that goes, it is 9:00 PM do you know where your children
are? And most parents in the eighties were like, you know what? As a
matter of fact, I’ve forgotten. Yeah. Right.
[00:04:24] Because children of the eighties literally were raised on
garden hoses and luck most of the time. I liked it. I mean, you liked,
but I’m older than you. So I lived a little bit, I was, you know, a
little bit more in the eighties than you. You lived through the
eighties. I was 100% alive, underst through the entirety of the
eighties.
[00:04:48] Jared Syx: But
[00:04:49] Jenn Syx: understand that. But I Right. I was in a different,
um, you’re trying to like have a, like a wise moment here. No. ’cause I,
that’s bullshit when people do that to me. We just talked about that.
You know what? You’re as wise as you are wise. Thanks and you are
welcome. Alright. Bringing, bringing the heaters. I don’t know what that
means.
[00:05:12] Okay, so we are going back to 1978 and we’re gonna talk about
the Yuba County five. Okay. All righty. There’s a train in the
background people. I’m just gonna keep going. There’s nothing that I can
do about it ’cause we live near some tracks. Wow. You’d think that it
was in our backyard, but it’s really not that close.
[00:05:29] It’s really not. So in any event, we’re going to, uh, take a
little step back in time. So let’s go back to the 1970s. , And I will
say that by the late 1970s, life for adults with developmental
disabilities looked different than it does today. And it also a
generation earlier where they were just like, Nope.
[00:05:55] Uh, I don’t know what happened to that kid, but he went away
and that’s what happened.
[00:06:00] Um,
[00:06:00] Uh, I’m not passing any judgment here. For adults with
developmental disabilities, they work jobs. They joined leagues, they
went out together. They were expected to move through the world without
constant supervision.
[00:06:15] And most of the time that that worked in small towns in
Northern California, familiarity carried more weight than people
realized. Faces were known habits were predictable. When a group of men
did something that they’d done before, it didn’t register as risk,
regardless of who those men were and how they functioned in society,
normal behavior was.
[00:06:39] Obviously proof that everything is fine, things are just
going around like they should be. And safety in that environment was
something people assumed rather than something that they actively
monitored. Trouble was expected to look obvious. You were supposed to
know, like, be able to tell just by what was going on there.
[00:06:58] So anytime there were disruptions, it was really hard to
miss. And subtle problems didn’t necessarily trigger alarms because they
didn’t look like emergencies. I’m going somewhere with this. All right,
I’m, I’m, I’m lay in the groundwork here because this case sits in that
gap between what felt ordinary and what should require some actual
attention.
[00:07:21] Alright? Alright. Alright. So we’re gonna jump right into the
case here and we are going to talk about the five men that are at the
center of this. All right? So I’m gonna give a little bit of details.
Stick with me because you know, I think that it’s important to talk
about these people and make sure that we give them their due.
[00:07:40] I don’t wanna gloss over this in any bit. In any way. So
first we have William Sterling, 29. He lived with his parents. He is
reported to have a mild intellectual disability. We don’t really know
what that means because they didn’t really give it any more thought than
that. All right? That’s, that’s what we have.
[00:08:02] But he is known for his friendly nature and his enthusiasm
for sports. Sports is at the center of this, okay? Especially
basketball. He followed routines closely and took pride in doing things
the right way. Now I get that because I’m a rule follower, and if there
is a rule, I will follow it. Unless it’s stupid, then I don’t want to.
[00:08:23] That’s how that goes. And now we have Jack Hewitt. He is 24.
He’s the youngest of this group. He has reported to also have a mild
intellectual disability. I don’t exactly know what that means. He lived
with his parents as well. He was quiet, good natured, and eager to fit
in. He followed the lead of others and rarely pushed against
expectations.
[00:08:47] Okay, then we have Jack
[00:08:50] Mada.
[00:08:50] Mada. That is the best last name. That’s got some, it’s got
some, uh, personality. Okay. Yeah. He is 30 now. He’s usually the driver
of the group. Okay. Because he has a car and he is regarded as having
learning differences or cognitive challenges. Uh, he liked the
responsibility of owning a car.
[00:09:13] He lived with his mother who described him as careful and
dependable. Jack, like things to go according to plan. I also understand
that because when things don’t go according to plan, I don’t want
anything to do with that. I get it. We have Ted Weir. He’s 32, lived
with his parents also learning differences in challenges deeply attached
to routine and structure. There’s a theme here. He could become anxious
when plans changed and he depended heavily on familiar patterns to feel
safe.
[00:09:47] And then we have Gary Mathius at 25. Unlike the others, he
does not have learning or cognitive disabilities. He had been diagnosed
with paranoid schizophrenia. Okay. And had been prescribed medication to
manage it. All, all good. He lived independently in an, in an apartment.
He’s the only one that lived by himself.
[00:10:08] He had served in the army and was more capable of navigating
unfamiliar situations. His family later emphasized that he was stable.
He was thoughtful and resourceful, but consistency mattered. He was
under the care of the VA and civil mental health services. So he was
being monitored even though he lived by himself and his family remained
actively involved in his life, his condition, his his stability.
[00:10:36] So he, all these men were doing okay. They had jobs, , and
they were not just acquaintances. They played organized basketball
together as a part of a team called the Gateway Gators. Okay. It was a
local group supported by a community program for adults with cognitive
and developmental differences in the Yuba City Marysville area, which
we’re just going to go forward and just say Yuba City.
[00:11:04] Okay. Because it’s too complicated.
[00:11:06] Sure.
[00:11:06] Sure. Otherwise, so they shared activities, games, practices,
and then spent time outside of that together as well. And this is where
many of their family said their friendships solidified. All right. They
bowled together, they went to dances. This is like a core group of
friends.
[00:11:26] This is starting out great. Which is sad. Ted Weir and Jack
Hewitt worked at the same job through a community placement program.
Jack Madrea was usually the driver when they went out together ’cause he
had a car. Remember William Sterling was deeply invested in sports and
tried to never miss a game.
[00:11:47] He was into the basketball situation and Gary Mathis joined
the group more recently, the other than the others, but had integrated
quickly into their routines in social life.
[00:11:59] Okay.
[00:11:59] Okay. Okay. Can I just sidetrack on basketball? And this is
like a part of the story and it’s very integral to their lives, and I
think that’s amazing.
[00:12:08] I hate basketball the most. You hate the squeaking of the
noise. Uh, squeaking of the shoes. Yeah. You hate it all. It’s, and my
parents, uh, I grew up in Arkansas and I, my parents had season tickets
to the Arkansas Razorbacks and we would go to all of the games all the
time and sit in these seats and there was a guy behind us that they were
metal walls on the side where the seats were, and the guy would bang on
the metal walls.
[00:12:36] That probably did it for me right there. That solidified my
hatred of basketball. Yeah. Anytime he would get excited or a bad play
call or something like that, he would bang annoying on the walls. That’s
annoying. Yeah. Yeah. A metal wall.
[00:12:46] A metal
[00:12:47] That’s annoying. That probably did
[00:12:50] Jared Syx: probably the,
[00:12:50] Jenn Syx: the trauma. You didn’t need trauma.
[00:12:53] Jared Syx: Yeah,
[00:12:53] Jenn Syx: it was, but also the squeaks of the shoes on the
floor that’s high. Like get what? Can you, can they not have noise
dampening situation on those floor? I guess the ball wouldn’t bounce,
right? I take it back. That was dumb. Anyhow. I a yay. So all five
either lived with family or within systems that assumed proximity,
predictability, and some degree of oversight they were being cared for.
[00:13:23] Their lives were structured around routine workdays,
recreation nights, sporting events. They were capable of moving through
familiar environments independently, but they depended on those
environments to stay familiar. Right. Okay.
[00:13:38] Okay.
[00:13:38] I know what that feels like. Once again, drawing a lot of
parallels here now, by the late 1970s, community-based programs had
largely replaced institutional care for adults with disabilities.
[00:13:50] The goal was integration, not separation. Uh, people with
different diagnosis. Seas often shared the same vocational placements,
recreation leagues, and social programs. Not because that they were
identical, but because those were the only structures that existed. So
today, somebody like Gary with a mental illness, I don’t think that he
would
[00:14:13] be
[00:14:14] put into the same programs as somebody with cognitive
disabilities.
[00:14:18] Yeah, probably so, because I don’t think that that makes very
good sense. But for all in, for all, everybody explains like he was a
nice guy and then this was a good group of friends. So I don’t think
that that matters to this particular story. I’m not foreshadowing
anything. Nothing about this group suggested the night would require
more than a plan. That’s the context in which this whole situation
begins. All right, so the plan for the night was simple.
[00:14:47] On the evening of February 24th, 1978, the five men decided
to drive from Yuba City to Chico to watch a college basketball game. Uc.
Davis was playing Chico State at California State University in Chico. I
have never heard of any of those. I have heard of California. Yeah, I
think I’ve heard of
[00:15:12] Jared Syx: uc.
[00:15:12] Jenn Syx: uc. Davis. It, it rings a bell, but then I’m like,
it could, it’s
[00:15:15] It’s
[00:15:16] a bell.
[00:15:16] I have. So anyways,
[00:15:17] They left together in Jack MAD’s Mercury. Montego. Okay. Do
you know what kind of car that is? Nope. Not a, no. Let’s look this
[00:15:26] Jared Syx: up. I,
[00:15:27] Jenn Syx: up. I, I, I might, it, to me it probably is gonna
be simpler, simpler, similar, if I had to guess.
[00:15:33] Probably similar to like a Ford LTDI don’t know what that
means. Like that. Yeah, it’s similar to an LTD. I don’t know when an LTD
is. That’s what Gome had.
[00:15:47] She drove that car, like a similar car. Oh, an LTD that had a
3 51 Cleveland V eight in it. That was like fast as shit. That’s why.
And the air conditioner would parts your hair because it was so strong,
because the goddamn, uh. V eight, you know, being so strong. Oh yeah. It
was hilarious. Tini drove, a dad used to give her a shit.
[00:16:06] Jared Syx: because,
[00:16:06] Jenn Syx: She’d get because a sports car, a sporty car. It
wasn’t sport. No, it was ugly. He, it was, it was a land yacht. That one
was sporty. Uh, I don’t think, maybe
[00:16:15] so the plan was pretty straightforward. Drive to Chico, watch
the game, return home afterwards. The next day. Was important to them as
well. All five were scheduled to play in a Special Olympics basketball
tournament. Families later said that they took those commitments
seriously.
[00:16:34] They had talked about the tournament ahead of time and plans
had already been finalized for the next day. So they had a lot going on.
They had some serious plans happening here. Okay. There is no indication
that they intended to stay overnight or deviate from the plan. The men
were only wearing light coats against the cool temperatures of the upper
Sacramento Valley at night at that time of the year.
[00:16:56] Remember we are in February. They did not bring extra clothes
or supplies and nothing suggests they expected the night to extend
beyond the game and the drive home. I’m, so that’s, you know that you’ll
probably have to cut this out, but like all I can picture is four.
People with some type of needs.
[00:17:16] There’s five No, I know. Oh. Four with, you know, some type
of, I’ll just say special needs, I mean, of some sorts. And then a fifth
person taking care of them all with diagnosed schizophrenia. Like John,
John, John. This is like, yeah, I, what a great group to hang out with
in a car. Like I would, I would wanna listen to the conversations going
on in this car.
[00:17:39] It, it feels like they should not be going to Chico by
themselves probably. So this feels like they shouldn’t have, but again,
we’re in the seventies, right? These men were afforded a certain amount
of normalcy, which is great. Right. At the same time, it feels like this
is something that they shouldn’t have been doing.
[00:18:02] Right. Right. Without a degree of supervision. I will say in
a lot of, uh, retellings of this situation, people call them boys.
That’s used a lot. And I think it’s because of their disabilities and
their cognitive abilities. Right. And I feel that that’s somewhat rude.
I think people tend to infantalize. Right.
[00:18:28] I don’t know if that’s the right, I know what you’re trying
to say if that’s not it. Exactly. But yes, I think they tried to put
some level of label. Yeah. And I, and I purposefully chose not to do
that because they were men. Right. And they were independent and they
were living, they were living fulfilling lives for the, for this time
frame.
[00:18:47] And I think that they were doing a great job. So I am just
trying to give them as much respect as I possibly can in a, you know,
[00:18:56] know.
[00:18:56] I don’t know. Alright. Anyway,
[00:18:58] Jared Syx: I’m really trying
[00:18:58] Jenn Syx: I’m not trying to sidetrack us, but, no, no, no. It
you, uh, the, every time that I’ve heard this story, that I’ve watched
other podcasts and things about them, I think about.
[00:19:09] Oh my goodness. This is just bad. Like these guys did not,
and obviously it’s because we have the lens of knowing what happened
now, but I don’t know. I don’t know what happened yet. You’re about to.
All right, so they arrive in Chico and they attend the basketball game.
Everything goes as planned. The group was expected home early Saturday
morning on February 25th.
[00:19:35] After the Friday night game. The drive would’ve taken them a
little bit longer, so when they didn’t arrive and didn’t call, family
members woke up and noticed that something’s off. Parents began phoning
each other around 5:00 AM on Saturday morning.
[00:19:51] None of
[00:19:51] the men had ever stayed out overnight before, with the
exception of.
[00:19:55] Gary. Uh, but even that wasn’t typical. Families soon
realized that all five were unexpectedly absent, so the families call
the police. And according to later reporting, one mother was told by
deputies that since the men were adults, law enforcement would generally
check again later, before filing a report, which was common procedural
at the time.
[00:20:22] And I think a lot of times when you watch TV shows or
documentaries, you hear they have to be missing for 48 or 24 hours
before a missing, missing person report can be, uh, submitted. That is
not true. Just so you are all aware, you can report a person missing as
soon as possible, as you know, is something that is wrong.
[00:20:45] And you have to tell the police like, this is wrong.
Something’s going on. It’s not right. This is not normal. And woe.
Behold, anybody that tries to keep me from filing a missing persons
report, I’ll tell you that much. ’cause they’re not gonna listen to me,
damnit, something’s not right and I know it. What’d you do with his
body?
[00:21:09] Who?
[00:21:10] That’s who so once the Yuba County Sheriff’s Office had
reports from Concerned Family, they started taking it seriously. Like
obviously something’s going on here. So they began a search and they
eventually tracked down the men’s activities that night. Which we’ll get
back to in a second, but we’re gonna go in real time as to what, what
all the families knew.
[00:21:32] Okay. Okay. On Monday, February 25th, 1978, a US Forest
Service Ranger saw the abandoned mercury Montego in a snowbank on a
remote mountain road in Plumas National Forest, , which is near Rogers
Cow Camp, and at an elevation of approximately 4,400 feet, which is way
far from the expected route home.
[00:21:59] Alright? This is not where this car is supposed to be. The
Ranger initially assumed the vehicle belonged to a winter skier or
something, rather than somebody missing because there was no bolo or
alert out at this point in time because they told the families, well,
these are adults, you gotta give it some time.
[00:22:16] So it was not reported until February. February, February
27th. So immediately delaying the discovery of the location to law
enforcement, right? So when the deputies finally did find out and they
reached the car, so the location where the car was found, the road was
snow covered, but not impassable.
[00:22:40] It was still completely drivable. The car itself was not
damaged, stuck, or disabled, but the keys were missing and the car was
locked. Okay? There was enough fuel in the tank for the car to continue
driving. It did not run outta gas. Investigators noted that the vehicle
could have been turned around and driven back down the mountain.
[00:23:00] So it’s just really weird that it stopped here. Okay? There
were no clear signs of a struggle inside or around the car, and four
distinct sets of footprints were reported leading away from the car and
moving uphill into the deeper snow. There were no other footprints
indicating that this was a forced situation or a panic situation.
[00:23:23] Weather
[00:23:23] conditioned had worsened overnight
[00:23:25] with
[00:23:26] temperatures dropping and snow present at higher elevations.
The men were not found in the immediate area around the car. Okay. This
location of the car is a route inconsistent with the most direct or
logical drive home. So this is just weird, this car, but this discovery
shifted the search dramatically from a missing person along a known road
to a wilderness search in remote terrain.
[00:23:51] This is, this is the mountains? Yeah. In the winter. Mm-hmm.
In February. Mm-hmm. This is not Okay.
[00:24:01] At a certain point in the search, the trail was lost due to
snow, terrain and drifting. So once the footprints led away from the
road and then disappeared, authorities shifted from a roadside search to
a large scale wilderness search. And this included sheriff’s deputies
search and rescue teams, volunteers, national guard helicopters, even
when the weather allowed.
[00:24:24] And they were focusing on downhill paths where people
normally go to seek help. They don’t go up the mountain, they go down.
Uh, they also were looking in cabins, ranger stations, any kind of
shelter along the way, but they were also paying attention to roads,
creeks, ravines, things like that. So they were, they were doing their
due diligence here, and this is an important factual point.
[00:24:47] Searchers did not expect the men to continue uphill. So much
of the early effort was focused on lower elevations and likely routes
back to. Civilization, right? But weather has severely limited the
search. Because of heavy snowfall. They started to see blizzard
conditions, and there were even risks of avalanches at the time.
[00:25:09] So this is a bad time for the search to be occurring, and at
least one search team reportedly had to be rescued after becoming
trapped in the snow. So as a result, large sections of the area could
not be safely searched, and some efforts were suspended to be resumed.
Later, later, later, resumed later.
[00:25:33] Sometimes I just trip up on words. There’s nothing I can do
about it. I just keep,
[00:25:37] I,
[00:25:37] I have to wonder what goes through your brain sometimes
because. Most of the people that listen to this podcast won’t hear all
of the trip ups because I edit it. ’cause nobody wants to hear all of
that
[00:25:48] she
[00:25:48] shenanigans. But sometimes I’ll say a sentence like four
times ’cause it comes out weird.
[00:25:54] Or I miss the S at the end of the word like times like I just
did then. And then I’ll say it like four times in a row and he just sits
here. He just sits here and takes it in and listens to it. And it’s
just, it’s gotta be boring ’cause you gotta look just as enter.
Interesting. Interested. See the fourth time I say the sentence versus
as this, the first time time I say the I get sentence, I usually get
more interested.
[00:26:16] ’cause I’m like, is she gonna get it? You’re gonna be like, I
wonder also if people watching are like, why did he just look at her
like that? That’s because I said the same sentence 17 times. Right. And
he is like, it’s still going. It’s happening. It’s not happening.
Anyhow. Despite this extensive searching, none of the men were found, no
personal belongings were recovered beyond the car, and no definitive
explanation emerged After weeks of searching with no success.
[00:26:47] Active search operations were eventually scaled back. Though
the case remained open, obviously, but they’re still in the, in the dead
of winter right here. They just had to wait. At this point, the car was
there, they saw the footprints, and then for months there was nothing. ,
So during the search and rescue efforts, police start tracking down the
men’s activities that night, and they have pieced together the following
chain of events.
[00:27:15] All right. After the game ended and the uc Davis team had
won, the five men walked back to MAD’s car and drove a short distance to
Bear’s Market in downtown Chico. It was shortly before the store’s 10:00
PM closing time. This is noted specifically by the store clerk because
she was annoyed that somebody came in.
[00:27:37] This group of men came in and were taking up so much time
right before closing, and she remembered the group, uh, filling their
arms with snacks, sodas, and cartons of milk before paying and leaving.
This was the last time any of them were definitively seen alive.
[00:27:58] What is known in sequence is that after leaving Bear’s
Market, the five men got back into Jack MAD’s car and left Chico. , No
witnesses reported any kind of distress, urgency, conflict at that
point. Now we do have an, an alleged sighting of the men, and this is
from Joseph Scho.
[00:28:21] Scho.
[00:28:22] This is the single most discussed post store sighting that
you will find in any discussions about this case and has been documented
extensively.
[00:28:33] It’s not the most reliable of sources. , And I’ll tell you
why. There is a man named Joseph SHOs in his mid fifties, driving in the
Plumas National Forest area on the night his car got stuck in the snow
while he was checking snow pack ahead of a planned cabin trip. I don’t
know what that means.
[00:28:55] And he reported suffering chest pains consistent with a mild
heart attack, and he was waiting it out in his car. He actually did
experience a heart attack, and that was later medically confirmed. But
this is why this is’ necessarily reliable because he was having a
medical emergency. It’s kind of hard to pay attention when you’re having
a, I have never had a heart attack, but I imagine it’s hard to pay
attention when you’re having a heart attack.
[00:29:21] So anyways, he claimed that around 11:30 PM he saw headlights
and silhouettes of people, a group, including what he thought were
several men. Possibly including individuals who could have been the
missing men stopped nearby. One version of this reported seen additional
figures may be a woman and child near his car that night, but that has
never been verified.
[00:29:48] What we do know is that he yelled out he was going to ask for
help. The, the car lights went out and the voices went silent. Once this
serious medical situation passed, he walked down the mountain and this
we have confirmed he passed the abandoned mercury montego. He said that
there were no people around it.
[00:30:11] Now, police did take his sightings seriously as a possible
witness. It, the sightings did occur in the same general area where the
Mercury found. Obviously he saw the car, but it’s really hard to say
whether he saw those men or not. It’s like impossible to say. Um,
[00:30:33] s
[00:30:34] now I, I’m gonna say this because other shows, podcasts,
things like this, have made claims that he was known locally for alcohol
abuse and dishonesty.
[00:30:44] He had a police record for vehicle theft and drunk driving.
Uh, there’s also one claim that he may or may not have shit his pants
while he had this medical emergency.
[00:30:56] Okay?
[00:30:56] Okay. And I just wanna note that none of these are
substantiated by the reports of the day. These were, these came about
later, right?
[00:31:03] Jared Syx: right?
[00:31:04] Jenn Syx: So I’m only mentioning them because I don’t like it
when dishonesty happens about, and I don’t think anybody’s purposely
been dishonest about it.
[00:31:11] But I also think that people like a good story.
[00:31:15] Now hard to lie about shitting your pants, but okay, now
look, if you are gonna shit your pants, a heart attack is the time to
shit your pants. Okay. Noted. I feel like that’s one of those times
where you’re like, well, I shit my pants, but you know, like I was
having a heart attack like, whatcha gonna do?
[00:31:33] Oh,
[00:31:33] Oh,
[00:31:34] clearly. Now that being said, a don’t ever have a heart
attack on me. That’s A, but b, if, if you shit your pants, I’m gonna
have a hard time not talking about it. At some point later in our lives,
I Okay, that’s, yeah. Okay. I haven’t shit my pants ever. Just
[00:31:56] say,
[00:31:57] Jesus, this conversation, there’s nothing wrong with it.
[00:32:01] It happens, I suppose. I’ve just never experienced it. Okay.
What about you? I’m not gonna talk about it. So you’re saying that you
guys have more issues than, than that. So you’re saying you shit your
pants, you’re saying there’s a chance.
[00:32:22] Well, I will say that there are various rumored sightings
floating around online that claims men were seen in a red pickup after
the disappearance. Um, there’s no, I don’t have any primary reporting
that proves this, so I can’t say that it is or isn’t true. And somehow
these, this red pickup is associated with the situation that Joseph
Schone saw, and then somehow they were like, we, there’s no, we don’t
have it.
[00:32:54] All right. So for months, nothing else is found. Okay. This,
this is all happening in February. Months go by, and now we are in early
June of 1978. Why are you watching my hand? I wasn’t, I actually wasn’t.
I saw your eyes going up and down watching him. Uh, it wasn’t
intentional. It really was. I didn’t even know.
[00:33:17] I am kind of a gesticulating. Why I didn’t even know that it
was occurring, so, oh, okay. So anyways, so by early June, snow in the
Plumas National Forest had begun to melt enough to make higher
elevations accessible. Again, search efforts resumed in areas that had
been unsearchable during the winter.
[00:33:35] So on June 4th, 1978, a group of motorcyclists exploring the
area near Rogers Cow Camp. Who is Roger and why does he have cows at his
camp? Maybe it’s a, is it like a, maybe it’s a camp for cows, like just
for cows Or is it a camp for people to go to spend time with cows or is
it like a ranch? It could be a ranch, but how is that a cow camp?
[00:34:07] You got me. Anyways, these motorcyclists came across a US
Forest service trailer. The trailer was used as a seasonal shelter by
multiple people. It was stocked with supplies. It was not locked in a
way that made entry impossible, but it was secure against the elements.
They looked inside and they see a body and they nope, right out of there
and they call authorities ’cause they don’t want anything to do with
this.
[00:34:33] They did the right thing. They didn’t go in, they didn’t mess
with it. They were like, shit, ring. Ring help. All right, so that’s how
that happened. Inside the trailer investigators found Ted Weir and he is
no longer living. All right. He was found on a bed wrapped in several
sheets. He showed extreme weight loss.
[00:34:58] His feet were badly frostbitten, suggesting he may have been
able, unable to walk effectively, he was found wearing shoes that did
not belong to him. Gary Math’s shoes were found inside the trailer.
These are two things that have been said. They never say that Ted was
wearing Gary’s shoes.
[00:35:19] Right.
[00:35:20] I think it’s implied.
[00:35:21] But I just wanted to note that distinction because there,
there’s not, right? I don’t know. , We are had been eating some food
from the trailer. Several cans had been open and there was a P 38
military style can opener in the trailer. Do you know what that looks
like? It’s the most bake of a, it’s one where they don’t have a handle
on it.
[00:35:41] It’s one where they don’t have a handle. Yeah. It’s just two
pieces of metal. One has a notch and the other one doesn’t, and it’s
held together by a screw. I had to look it up ’cause I’m like, what does
that even mean? So it, I, I’ll get to it. Um, he had beard growth
indicating weeks, not days of survival.
[00:36:00] Medical examiners estimated he lived between eight and 13
weeks after the disappearance. Mm-hmm. And this estimation comes from
the degree of starvation that he was experiencing, the condition of his
tissues, beard growth and environmental exposure patterns. I’m gonna try
to be as clinical as, you know, how I get, I get a little, uh, sad when
I talk about this stuff, so I’m trying to be mm-hmm.
[00:36:29] Uh, respectful and not be gross, but I gotta tell you what
happened. Okay. So, uh, we was extremely weakened by the starvation and
although food had been opened, the record does not establish whether he
opened it himself. There is suggestion that when he was getting weak, he
would not have been able to operate this can opener.
[00:36:54] Which other reports of this say make this sound like he was
unable to operate a can opener of this style due to his cognizant
mm-hmm. Cog
[00:37:05] Co
[00:37:06] cognitive abilities. And I don’t think that’s true like this
still a can opener, right? Like you can figure out how to open like,
this man was not dumb. He was not. And I don’t like the implications.
[00:37:19] I’m just pointing that out. So anyways, , let, let’s just say
he, he survived for a great deal of time. Inside the trailer, there was
a large supply of food, canned goods, dehydrated meals, a propane tank
and heating source that had been used, evidence of food that had been
open and partially consumed.
[00:37:38] And there were matches and fuel available. So somebody could
have survived in this trailer for a great deal of time. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
That’s what it was there for. In fact, it was to save people that got
stuck out on the mountain, right? Yep, yep. But much of the food
remained untouched. The trailer was roughly 11 to 12 miles from the
abandoned car.
[00:37:58] So he walked 11 to 12 miles to this trailer, and entry
appeared to have been made by forcing open a window, not a door. That
meant he, he got there and he was fine to some degree. Now as they
continue to search around, Jack Hewitt was found about two miles from
the trailer. He is also deceased and so, so sadly his father was
involved in the search and present.
[00:38:27] When he was found, he was fully clothed. His cause of death
was exposure. There was no sign of trauma, no sign of long-term
survival. He was partially decomposed ’cause it was, he was outside.
[00:38:42] Okay.
[00:38:42] Sterling was found approximately three miles northeast of the
trailer in a, in a wooded area positioned between the trailer and the
abandoned car.
[00:38:53] But closer to the trailer. His remains were scattered
Consistent with animal activity. Yeah, right. It wasn’t
[00:39:00] right.
[00:39:01] Yeah, just normal animal scavenging situation.
[00:39:04] situation.
[00:39:04] He was wearing clothing but he was missing his shoes. He died
of exposure and his remains were partially scattered. No signs of
violence, no signs of prolonged survival.
[00:39:16] And then Jack
[00:39:17] Mada
[00:39:17] Mada was later found approximately 2.3 miles from the trailer
along the general route between the trailer and the car, but closer to
the trailer than the car. I don’t know why this matters to me, but it
does apparently, , his cause of death was exposure. No signs of trauma,
partially decomposed, but also no evidence that he survived for weeks.
[00:39:38] So these men were all out in the elements and they died
’cause of it. , Gary Mathas has never been found. Hmm. Not alive. Not
dead, not remains. Not any personal effects. Nothing. He’s never been,
we don’t know. Hmm. Okay. So. Before June, the working theory centered
on this group of men getting lost and then succumbing to the elements.
[00:40:08] Right. After June, it was clear that at least one man had
survived for weeks he had shelter in food. , This is where the case
stops being about where they went and starts being about why their
survival failed because of the car and the situation and how it was
found. , Why it was even necessary, why it was even necessary.
[00:40:30] , Because in theory, if they had just stayed with the car,
they would’ve been cold, but they would’ve been fine. Sure, because it
was found a couple days later. In theory, actually, it was actually
found the very next day by a park, by a ranger.
[00:40:47] So just a little peek into what policing actually looked like
in the late 1970s. You know, I like having this, , what did not exist at
the time? There was no national missing persons database. There’s no
Amber Alert style, , rapid mobilization, if you will. Obviously cell
phones. We have no GPS. There’s no standard protocol for adults, missing
adults that have, that are vulnerable.
[00:41:16] , And there are no expectations at this point in time that if
adult is missing overnight, that it’s a problem to the police in the
1970s, adults could not legally be declared missing immediately. Police
often required evidence of foul play or evidence the person was
endangered or being abused.
[00:41:39] Disabilities did not trigger that sense of urgency. It just,
it really, I don’t, just don’t think they knew any better. I don’t think
this was malicious by any means, but I will say here that. For the
standards of the time, law enforcement did everything that they were
supposed to do, they did it all right.
[00:41:57] As a matter of fact, , they took reports. Once the families
pressed, they launched searches along the expected route. They involved
search and rec rescue. They escalated to the National Guard. They
continued searching for weeks even though they had no result. And then
they resumed searches when the snow melted and they could better access
these areas.
[00:42:17] They did not immediately assume that these men ran away, or,
uh, dismissing family claims outright. , Once the car was found, the
response inten intensified. So they actually did everything right. They
were just hindered by the tools available at the time.
[00:42:34] Jared Syx: Yeah. Right.
[00:42:34] Jenn Syx: Well, right. And the conditions and everything
else.
[00:42:36] The conditions, yeah. And I don’t say that. I think that’s
the first time I’ve ever said that on this podcast, they did everything
right. Right. They just didn’t have all the tools. Have I said that
before? I don’t think so. Most of the cases that we, that we cover are
old. Yeah. And, and they don’t have the tools.
[00:42:57] They don’t have any of the tools. I mean, they barely had
fingerprinting in some of the cases that we’ve covered. So, I mean, also
I would like to point out that a lot of times they just t trample all
over it and they let the neighbors come in the house. Thank you. That’s
your favorite part. There are no neighbors here.
[00:43:13] This is the mountains. Yeah, it’s Roger’s Cow Camp. That’s
the neighbor. I don’t even, I still don’t know what that means. I’m
gonna have to look that up. So the system definitely showed its limits
here. Adult autonomy was working against them because the men were
adults there. There just was no sense of urgency.
[00:43:35] I don’t think They would not frame them like we do as
vulnerable adults. So I think that that’s really sad, but. You know,
disability was not really operationalized at the time. Right. There just
wasn’t, the police treated it as there are five missing men. Right.
Well, I don’t know. Anyways.
[00:43:57] I
[00:43:58] I dunno. All right, so now we have a list of theories.
[00:44:03] Okay. ’cause we know what happened, but we don’t know why it
happened. So we gotta theorize, and this is a long fricking list. Okay.
Okay. Okay. So I’m gonna try to get through them quickly. So the first
theory, theory number one is misadventure, disorientation and then
exposure. Right. The men became ex disoriented after leaving Chico.
[00:44:27] They drove the wrong way. They got. Realized it stopped
perceived danger or believed that the car was stuck. Maybe, , Ted Weir
had reached shelter and others did not. So this implies that they went
off trekking through the snow, trying to find safety. Some of them got
lost along the way. Ted made it to shelter.
[00:44:50] It seems like he made it with somebody else. It’s implied
that it’s Gary because the other men were, were further back. ,
Contributing evidence to this is that the car was operational. It had
fuel. It was locked, four sets of . Footprints led away from the car
uphill, oddly enough. , There was no signs of violence, autopsies, list
exposure, wilderness, terrain, winter conditions.
[00:45:15] That’s number one. Mm-hmm. Okay. Theory number two is that in
some way, Gary Mathas was a contributing factor or variable because he
was not , cognitively disabled. He had a mental health issue instead, ,
he was the most independent member of the group and he did rely on
medication for his paranoid schizophrenia.
[00:45:45] He was never found. , This implies that in some way he
influenced the men to get out of the car or go the way that they did,
and he and Ted made it to the shelter, the others didn’t. And then he
just noted Ray out of there for some reason. Right, right. For any
reason. I mean, either he was going to find help.
[00:46:11] Or he was doing something nefarious. Usually when this theory
is brought up, I’m going to be honest, they paint Gary in a poor light
as, and he was up to no good because he had paranoid schizophrenia and
he therefore he was up to, I really get upset about that because that
implies that people with schizophrenia are up to no good and that is
false.
[00:46:37] Okay.
[00:46:37] Jared Syx: Okay.
[00:46:39] Jenn Syx: I was gonna say you’re correct first off, but if
you have schizophrenia, I, you could be up to no good and not mean to.
Now that’s, you could not mean to do things that you do. That is true. I
mean, there are reports of people with schizophrenia that have
hallucinations, right? They hear things they could act on them.
[00:47:07] I will say that all reports of him leading up to this
situation is that he was acting normally. He was following his routines
and that implies that he was on his medication properly. I can’t say any
more than that without being Yeah, right. I know.
[00:47:25] Jared Syx: I know.
[00:47:25] Jenn Syx: Influencing.
[00:47:26] No, I know.
[00:47:26] Jared Syx: Yeah.
[00:47:27] Jenn Syx: Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah, so theory number four is that
there, there’s just, okay.
[00:47:37] Theory number four is that there was foul play or criminal
involvement. People 1, 2, 7, I don’t even know, but this red truck is
implied that people stopped the car and they made the men get out of the
car, and then things deterior deteriorated from there. Somehow Ted and
Gary got away, the other four lost along the way, and then.
[00:48:05] Yeah, that
[00:48:06] happened.
[00:48:06] Okay.
[00:48:07] Mm-hmm.
[00:48:11] Theory number, I don’t know what theory I’m on five. Am I on
five? Five I, because I’m five. You know, I, I still felt like we went
from two to four, but you know, I wasn’t, well, I’m skipping some
because some of ’em are dumb. Oh, there you go. Okay. ’cause technically
this really, you shouldn’t assign number number eight, Ron Theory number
eight.
[00:48:27] We should not assign a number if you’re going to remove
numbers. That’s true. But as I’m reading them, ’cause you gotta realize
it takes me like hours to research these things. Yeah. And so when
you’re in the middle of it, you’re just like, oh, I gotta get another
theory in there.
[00:48:42] Jared Syx: then now you’re like,
[00:48:42] Jenn Syx: Then you’re like, okay. And I’m like, this is dumb.
[00:48:43] What was I even thinking? Alright, so theory number, theory
number eight is that they intentionally ran away. Okay. They were like.
They, they’re choosing to abandon their lives. They just wanna
disappear. They’re tired of all this adult supervision and they’re not
taking it anymore. Mm-hmm. And so they drove up that road and then got
out.
[00:49:07] This theory’s dumb, I’m gonna say we’re not considering it
later because this is stupid. They had plans to be in the Special
Olympics the next day. They had a basketball game to play. This is a big
deal. Yeah, right. They were really excited about it. So this is stupid.
Okay. Theory number nine, you’re not gonna like this one.
[00:49:25] Okay.
[00:49:26] Okay. What is it? Don’t tell me aliens. Yeah. It, it’s, it’s
aliens. They were abducted by aliens and then apparently spat right out.
And they don’t gimme this bullshit. They people bring it up. It’s
stupid. Now going back to theory number seven, ’cause I skipped it, but
I wanna talk about it again. Holy shit.
[00:49:46] Okay. Is that. Somehow Gary was separated from the group
before the car was abandoned.
[00:49:54] Okay.
[00:49:54] Okay. Like, let’s say the red pickup came around and they
picked up Gary. Gary, I don’t know. He took the keys. Right. Keys were
never found by the way, ever. Okay. With any other personal possession.
Keys were never found. So Gary takes the keys with him and the guys are
like, oh no.
[00:50:12] And then they leave the car to try and find shelter. Mm-hmm.
And then all, all of the things happened that we said, so, so that’s
theory number seven. Okay. That’s all the theories. Okay.
[00:50:25] Jared Syx: Okay.
[00:50:26] Jenn Syx: What do you think happened? What do you think
happened? Uh, some of what you just said, because there were four foot,
you know, there were four sets of foot, uh, print.
[00:50:39] The fifth being he left earlier, so therefore that could have
been covered up or whatever by a new snow,
[00:50:44] Jared Syx: snow,
[00:50:45] Jenn Syx: whatever. So, because he wasn’t there, he was gone.
He had, yeah, he had, he had milked right out for whatever reason or
another. Maybe he was tired of their shenanigans, I don’t know. Uh, so
yeah, he was out.
[00:50:59] And then I guess if you don’t have keys or whatever, you’re
like, well, what now we gotta start walking. And uh, if they did have
some, um, challenges with the way that they thought, their thought
process, they didn’t know what to do, they just walked in the woods. So
yeah, I think that would be what happened.
[00:51:24] Jared Syx: Yeah.
[00:51:24] Jenn Syx: Yeah. Now, why did he leave? Or where did he go? I
don’t know. Why do you think they were there in the first place? Uh,
good question. I mean, I wasn’t thinking of that yet. Uh, should have.
Uh,
[00:51:35] Jared Syx: Uh, I
[00:51:36] Jenn Syx: don’t know. Yeah. There’s no good reason for that.
That’s weird. Yeah. Yeah. That’s really weird. So, you know, they had
made this drive before.
[00:51:45] It’s implied that they were, their families implied that they
were familiar with the route, and I think that they would’ve
[00:51:53] followed
[00:51:54] patterns. Uh, Jack
[00:51:57] Madrea
[00:51:59] was a responsible dude with a car, and in fact, he took great
pride in this car. I don’t think that he would’ve left it. Yeah. If he
didn’t think that he had to. My thought is that. It was night. They were
probably familiar with this drive, but it was nighttime and they just
took a wrong way for whatever reason. And they got to a spot, I think,
that they could have just gotten out.
[00:52:28] Maybe they stopped and they realized they were going the
wrong way, and they got out of the car to maybe assess the situation and
they were talking. I feel like it makes perfectly good sense that
tensions could have been high. Mm-hmm. And one of ’em like threw the
keys or dropped the keys.
[00:52:45] Mm-hmm. It’s
[00:52:46] It’s the snow.
[00:52:46] Mm-hmm. It fell. They couldn’t find them and then they
panicked. I feel like it’s entirely possible. Y Gary could have just
walked down the road even right. Where his footprints wouldn’t have been
captured. Right. And the other four, you know, for whatever reason, felt
like the car wasn’t safe anymore and they just didn’t know any better
and they walked into the snow to try to get help.
[00:53:11] Yep. For whatever reason, that car became unsafe to them. And
I can imagine that they locked the car to keep it safe because they were
responsible guys. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then it’s, it’s also entirely
possible because they said that Ted was fine, found, wrapped in a
blanket, and that some it, it appeared as if somebody had been taken
care of him.
[00:53:37] Right. Right. It’s impossible. It’s entirely possible that
Gary made it to the shelter with Ted and tried to take care of him and
realizing that he was deteriorating and he wasn’t gonna make it, that he
needed to go get help. And he left. I mean, people are lost in the woods
and never found all the time. I know.
[00:54:01] But it still goes back to those four footprints. I don’t
understand that. It’s also the snow. I mean, what if two of one of them
were walking? Like, what if Gary took the lead and then said, walk in my
footprints and somebody else walked directly behind him. Sure, Sure,
[00:54:16] Jared Syx: sure.
[00:54:18] Jenn Syx: It was deep snow.
[00:54:19] It
[00:54:19] Yeah. It worked for the cartoons.
[00:54:21] It did. I just, this one, um, you know, I don’t, just to be
clear, I don’t think that there was any foul play. Mm-hmm. I think that
this, I don’t think anybody else was involved. I think if Joseph Sean’s
account was real and he did see what he thought he saw, it could have
just been the men out of their car that were talking.
[00:54:45] And then when he shouted out for help, they got scared. That
might have been the catalyst for them to run into the woods. ’cause they
were like right. Right. For whatever reason, they sense danger. Yep. And
they didn’t, they didn’t know what it was. That’s entirely possible that
his shout forced them into the woods.
[00:55:02] Yep. He, he was just having a heart attack. He’s just having
a heart attack. Poor man. I don’t, yeah. The reason that I decided to do
this is just, it’s just a really haunting and, and sad story. Well,
yeah. And the fact that, that we’re all good friends and shared unique
qualities in terms of their challenges, but all became good friends and,
uh, then tragedy struck.
[00:55:27] There you go.
[00:55:27] Jared Syx: go.
[00:55:28] Jenn Syx: Yeah.
[00:55:29] Way to go. Yeah. I mean, I think that it’s, it’s kind of
frightening how thin the margin is. If they had just made a different
turn or, yeah.
[00:55:40] yeah.
[00:55:41] The car had been reported earlier or they had cleared the
road, or it was a different, it was a warmer night or. I don’t know, one
person didn’t go, or the, it’s just, yep.
[00:55:55] It’s just a sad story. Thanks a lot.
[00:55:59] Jared Syx: So,
[00:56:00] Jenn Syx: From the impact of this case, you know, what did it
change after it happened? Hmm. Nothing. Right? Almost nothing. Uh, it’s,
this is the sad part. There is no sweeping reform. There’s no law named
after them. Yeah. Or o overhaul of missing persons procedures because of
what happened.
[00:56:21] But I will say that cases like this accumulated over time and
they quietly exposed gaps in the system of how these people are
certainly treated, but how they’re managed, , on a day-to-day basis. So,
um, the concept of the vulnerable adult in missing persons
investigations became very apparent. , Earlier reporting thresholds for
missing adults.
[00:56:48] I think police, I don’t wanna say took missing cases more
seriously ’cause that’s not true. I think they’ve always taken cases
more seriously. But I think even the show called the first 48. The first
48 are important. Correct. Because. I said that. Yeah. That’s where and
when everything happens. Right. Well, so, and I wanted to ask this,
’cause I thought about it earlier when you talked about the missing
person.
[00:57:10] Now we’re talking about adult, uh, we were talking about
adults the whole time anyway. When did, um, when did Adam, you know, the
young child that disappeared and, and was Adam Walsh? Yeah, thank you. I
couldn’t remember his last name for I know the father, you know
[00:57:25] John
[00:57:26] Walsh? Uh, did, when did that occur? Um, was it in the late
seventies or early eighties?
[00:57:31] I wanna say, I wanna say it was the late seventies. He was
the first, I’m gonna look it up. That’s when some of the missing per,
that’s when John Walsh made some of the missing persons, uh, changes,
didn’t he? Or, I mean, because he,
[00:57:44] Jared Syx: sexually,
[00:57:44] Jenn Syx: he was such a huge advocate. He was a catalyst for
so many, right. Of these, uh, things.
[00:57:50] This was in 1981. It was the early eighties. Okay. Okay. Um.
John Walsh is a reason for many sweeping reforms that happen in missing
cases. Now, Adam Walsh was a little boy. He was, it was, we’re not
talking about an adult, we’re talking about a child. Exactly. He was six
years old, um, at the time. And I think there are cases that have come
across that really made changes like the Amber Alert, the,
[00:58:14] the,
[00:58:15] the young girl that, um, was kidnapped.
[00:58:19] So I, I don’t know where I was going with this, but, well, I
brought it up. I don’t know where you were going with this. I know. ’
[00:58:24] Jared Syx: cause
[00:58:24] Jenn Syx: it made me think about the, the changes actually, I
thought about that ’cause it was so significant when we were talking
about the, um, missing persons and how that’s handled, et cetera, back
then.
[00:58:35] Yeah. I think, uh, John Walsh made some sweeping reforms in
that just because he was interesting because he wasn’t really. An
activist until after agreed what happened to his son, which was
absolutely horrific. Yep. And he really jumped in to change how missing
children are treated.
[00:58:56] Jared Syx: Yep.
[00:58:57] Jenn Syx: Yep. Yeah. Sorry, that was my sidetrack for the
moment, but it was, you know, he almost got me crying, bringing up Adam
Walsh, that one?
[00:59:05] Yep. Yep. That one. I, that’s one that I could never do. Oh.
First of all, thank goodness it happens in the eighties. That’s a case I
won’t touch, but
[00:59:11] Right.
[00:59:11] it is.
[00:59:12] Jared Syx: No
[00:59:13] Jenn Syx: Yeah. Agreed. No bueno. Um, but I, I think we care
now about this case. ’cause I think we understand the context a little
bit better. We understand, , their vulnerability without stripping them
of dignity, which they should have.
[00:59:30] And we understand that outcomes can be tragic and it’s not
necessarily malicious. . So, yeah, I think, you know, these men did
everything that they were supposed to do in a, everything they could do
to stay safe in a world where they weren’t really protected very well,
that we just didn’t really understand how to protect them properly.
[00:59:53] And I think,
[00:59:53] I think,
[00:59:54] I think, I think just bad things happen. Yes, it does. That
sucks. I don’t like that. I know. That’s why I have a podcast. So you
would think that I’d be like, yeah. Yay. Mystery. Yep. But not so much.
When the mystery is just sad. Like I go all excited into these cases and
then I get to the end of it and you bring yourself down.
[01:00:17] I’m like, why? Yeah. Yeah. Like I have been like on the verge
of tears at least seven times in this discussion. I’ve held it together.
Let’s close it up out on an On an uptick. An uptick
[01:00:32] Jared Syx: An
[01:00:32] Jenn Syx: an up. What?
[01:00:38] Yeah. So that, what do you think of that one? Yeah, it
sucked. It’s not good. You’re like, you’re like, well, my day’s gone.
All the crap. The, the weather just got gloomier. Yeah.
[01:00:53] Yeah.
[01:00:53] Yeah. But it’s a mystery. Yep. And you know, I, I will say
that it’s, it’s a tragedy of what happened to these men, but I think
that we are drawn to mysteries and we want to solve them.
[01:01:07] I, I, the answer to this one, I think is pretty mundane.
It’s. That’s what happens. So, yeah. , If you’re new here to the House
of Syx, , we release episodes every other Tuesday. I’m doing pretty good
at that. You are? ,
[01:01:22] ,
[01:01:22] Jenn Syx: You can find us on wherever you get your podcast,
YouTube, TikTok. Except don’t watch those.
[01:01:29] They’re terrible. Facebook, Insta, all the places you should
like us. You should subscribe, you should comment and tell us what you
thought or make suggestions for what we cover in the future. If you
don’t wanna be bummed out. True. Okay. Do it. Do it. Yeah. I got some
mysteries coming your way. , Yeah. Yeah.
[01:01:50] Share, sharing is caring. Share it with a friend or a cousin.
[01:01:54] Yeah.
[01:01:55] Yeah. You said share is like, share. We’re talking about
share. Let’s talk about share. I like share ’cause if you believe Yeah.
I’m not gonna do my do it. No, I’m not gonna do it. Can’t do it.
No. I’ve gotta be in the moon. I can’t do it.
[01:02:05] Jared Syx: do
[01:02:05] Jenn Syx: Yeah. He sings like Cher.
[01:02:08] It’s, it’s like you’re in the same room
[01:02:10] Jared Syx: really is.
[01:02:10] Jenn Syx: share. It really is. I, I know
[01:02:11] Jared Syx: know
[01:02:11] Jenn Syx: you really? Yeah. So, yeah. And you love it so much
when I do that anyway. Right. So until next time, stay outta the
mountains and light jackets and you know, like keep your keys on you
’cause safety first. Bye. Bye.