Today we will talk about why men and women cheat, and how
Speaker:you can heal from infidelity.
Speaker:Whether you were the one who was cheated on and now your heart feels
Speaker:broken, or you are the one who is experiencing a pattern of repeated
Speaker:cheating in your relationships.
Speaker:I will also speak to, if you are a couple and you're currently
Speaker:trying to heal from infidelity, what is most important to focus on
Speaker:to rebuild the trust and intimacy.
Speaker:As well, I will talk about the subtle differences as to the most
Speaker:common reasons why men and why women cheat in relationships.
Speaker:This is going to be an intense episode because this is a
Speaker:very loaded and intense topic.
Speaker:I invite you to listen with your heart open to take deep breaths,
Speaker:because as you know, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything, and this
Speaker:is a very complex topic, but I'm gonna break it down in the most
Speaker:simple and practical way possible.
Speaker:Welcome to the Masculine and Feminine Dynamics podcast.
Speaker:My name is Lorin Krenn, and I'm a relationship coach and hypnotherapist.
Speaker:I help you to unite the masculine and feminine within you in
Speaker:your relationships and life.
Speaker:Let's dive in.
Speaker:Cheating is an intense form of betrayal, and being betrayed is an
Speaker:immensely challenging and intense emotional and energetic experience.
Speaker:We feel gutted.
Speaker:We feel wronged at a deep level.
Speaker:And we experience the ground being taken from underneath our feet.
Speaker:It's a deeply confusing experience because we start
Speaker:to question, was it ever real?
Speaker:Was there ever love, or was it all an illusion?
Speaker:This starts to lead to a kind of self-doubt that really drains the
Speaker:soul, that really impacts your level of trust in yourself, in trusting
Speaker:yourself in life, but specifically in your relationship decisions.
Speaker:And it can lead that you start guarding your heart understandingly so.
Speaker:It's called betrayal trauma.
Speaker:Now, why do people cheat?
Speaker:Pop culture says they're an asshole.
Speaker:She, he's an asshole.
Speaker:He's a bad person.
Speaker:Ugh.
Speaker:And yes, some people are very selfish, they're very lost, and they don't
Speaker:care about the feelings of others.
Speaker:And some might simply not care.
Speaker:But that number is, from my perspective and all that I've seen very low.
Speaker:Because actually the number one reason why people cheat is because
Speaker:of trauma and because of pain.
Speaker:They are in a deeply confused and painful and wounded state of being.
Speaker:Does this excuse cheating?
Speaker:No, but it makes us understand more why it happens.
Speaker:Let me break this down as practically as possible.
Speaker:Before someone cheats on you, they cheat themselves.
Speaker:Before someone lies to you, they have already lied to themselves many times.
Speaker:Before someone betrays you, they have already betrayed themselves.
Speaker:When someone doesn't have the respect towards you, keeps secrets
Speaker:and looks into your eyes and tells you they love you, they choose you,
Speaker:and then engage in cheating, then it means they betray themselves.
Speaker:They're disconnected from their truth, from their true being.
Speaker:Does this, excuse it?
Speaker:No, it doesn't, but it makes us understand that one cannot treat
Speaker:another without integrity and respect if one is not out of integrity and
Speaker:disrespects themselves their own soul.
Speaker:I like to always say the soul wants nothing more
Speaker:than to live with integrity.
Speaker:Any human being who reaches a certain level of consciousness or healing
Speaker:in their life, simply cannot cheat, cannot betray, cannot deceive,
Speaker:because their energy is so high or so strong that simply all they
Speaker:desire is to treat others right.
Speaker:And what is right is to treat others with integrity, with respect,
Speaker:with kindness, with love the way you want to be treated by others.
Speaker:That is the way of the soul.
Speaker:It's not about right or wrong.
Speaker:No, there is just one way, and this is the way.
Speaker:And deep down, we all want to show up in this way because this is how
Speaker:we are in alignment with the highest intelligence, with the sacred.
Speaker:But of course, we cheat, we are disconnected from our deeper nature
Speaker:that wants to be in integrity, that wants to be in truth.
Speaker:Dostoevsky has this incredible quote, which explains this even
Speaker:deeper and makes it more practical.
Speaker:Please replace man with person or woman.
Speaker:A man who lies to himself and believes his own lies becomes unable to
Speaker:recognize truth, either in himself or in anyone else, and he ends up losing
Speaker:respect for himself and for others.
Speaker:When he has no respect for anyone, he can no longer love, and in him,
Speaker:he yields to his impulses, indulges in the lowest form of pleasure,
Speaker:and behaves in the end like an animal in satisfying his vices.
Speaker:And it all comes from lying to others and to yourself.
Speaker:There's so many aspects about this quote, which I found incredibly
Speaker:powerful and truthful, but specifically the part, no longer being able
Speaker:to recognize truth or integrity.
Speaker:That speaks to the disconnect I was describing before.
Speaker:When we are not operating from a place of truth, when we are not honest
Speaker:with ourselves, in integrity, then we are automatically in a state of
Speaker:confusion, in a state of suffering, in a state of unconsciousness.
Speaker:And cheating is only born from the state of deep inner turmoil and confusion.
Speaker:Because at a deeper level, you have to ask yourself what really is cheating?
Speaker:Cheating is in many cases, destroying and rupturing a
Speaker:great, beautiful, committed relationship for a little fling.
Speaker:For a short, intimate experience that really is not half as
Speaker:pleasurable as in the way the mind fantasizes it thought it will be.
Speaker:And then what?
Speaker:The consequences are brutal.
Speaker:It potentially breaks the whole family apart.
Speaker:It traumatizes the children involved.
Speaker:It is immensely painful for everyone involved.
Speaker:For what?
Speaker:For a short five minute intimate experience with someone who you don't
Speaker:even resonate at a deeper soul level?
Speaker:Who would do that?
Speaker:Who would choose that consciously?
Speaker:Let me tell you.
Speaker:No one in their right mind, but the thing is they are
Speaker:not in their right mind.
Speaker:Let me change the terminology.
Speaker:They're not in their truth.
Speaker:They're not conscious.
Speaker:They're operating from a place of unconsciousness.
Speaker:They don't see this.
Speaker:They know what they're doing, but they are almost unable to, to stop themselves
Speaker:from yielding to the lowest form of superficial pleasure as Dostoevsky
Speaker:so powerfully expressed in his quote.
Speaker:The relationship you have with yourself is mirrored in the
Speaker:relationships you have with others.
Speaker:If you don't respect yourself, you can't respect others.
Speaker:If you lie and deceive yourself, you are going to deceive and lie to others.
Speaker:So really at a general level, the core reason why men or women, or
Speaker:any person cheats is because they're out of integrity with themselves.
Speaker:They're disconnected from who they truly are.
Speaker:They no longer recognize what it means to live in alignment with
Speaker:their soul, to live in a alignment with their deeper spiritual nature.
Speaker:Now let's dive into the most common reasons why men cheat, and
Speaker:then afterwards why women cheat.
Speaker:And of course, there's so many infinite examples.
Speaker:I can only give you here the most common ones, but I'm sure many of
Speaker:you will recognize them, otherwise, this episode will be 10 hours long.
Speaker:Now again, when I say this is the reason why they cheat, it
Speaker:doesn't mean it's justified.
Speaker:Because even when one is deeply unfulfilled and unhappy, a conscious
Speaker:being goes to another and says, I'm unhappy, I'm unfulfilled.
Speaker:They express their truth, they voice their truth.
Speaker:And worst case, if it doesn't work out, they break up before
Speaker:they engage emotionally or physically with someone else.
Speaker:So this is really important to understand.
Speaker:There are no excuses.
Speaker:So here is the reason, one of the most common reasons or the
Speaker:most common reason why men cheat.
Speaker:Usually men cheat in a relationship because they, at a subconscious
Speaker:level, validate, they've been conditioned to validate their manhood.
Speaker:They feel like a powerful man through the chase.
Speaker:Through conquering.
Speaker:And since the chase has already ended and they're now in a
Speaker:committed relationship, they are not receiving this unconscious supply.
Speaker:They're no longer feeling like a powerful man.
Speaker:This happens to men who are constantly chasing.
Speaker:They go into a committed relationship and suddenly they're full of insecurity
Speaker:because they need the constant chase, the constant getting women into bed
Speaker:with them, the constant validation through intimacy and from the feminine
Speaker:in order to feel like a powerful man.
Speaker:Many men in today's world are trapped in this.
Speaker:This can come from both very often a mother wound, but also
Speaker:it can come from a father wound.
Speaker:Now, what's happening here is that the, the, the need for novelty for
Speaker:an exciting, intimate experience, whether it's online, whether it's
Speaker:emotional intimacy with a coworker, emotional cheating is just as bad
Speaker:as physical, cheating, emotional cheating destroys the trust by 100
Speaker:percent and physical cheating by 101%.
Speaker:So is it a bit worse?
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But at the end of the day, the mere act of secrecy and betraying
Speaker:the one in the, your beloved in this way can't really be measured.
Speaker:Emotional cheating is just as painful for everyone involved.
Speaker:Now, this need for novelty, for an exciting experience with another
Speaker:woman with the feminine for this rush, feeling like a powerful man, this
Speaker:is where the cheating is born from.
Speaker:It's that need.
Speaker:I need to validate myself.
Speaker:I still am looking for the, the chase, the validation of women
Speaker:to, to validate myself as a man.
Speaker:I'm sourcing my confidence from that place.
Speaker:That is the place from where it's born.
Speaker:How to heal this well, of course, starting to source confidence,
Speaker:validation, wholeness from within.
Speaker:That is one of the key things that I teach any man or any woman
Speaker:at the deepest level to work on.
Speaker:It is that we cannot be looking for these things outside ourselves.
Speaker:We need to source it from within.
Speaker:This is especially the case for men where the feminine
Speaker:has become their drug.
Speaker:For some men, drugs are their drug, are their escapism, are their
Speaker:distraction from an internal void, from a deep sense of pain, trauma,
Speaker:abandonment they experienced.
Speaker:But for many men, sex, intimacy, the feminine has become, the drunk, has
Speaker:become the numbing mechanism, and now they're in a committed relationship
Speaker:and what's happening now is that they no longer have that coping mechanism.
Speaker:And then they act ,out often in the form of cheating.
Speaker:Now, again, there is no excuses for this, but it doesn't necess
Speaker:it often doesn't mean that he's in love with the other person.
Speaker:It often doesn't mean that he didn't love you, he didn't care about you.
Speaker:What it means is that he doesn't know how to source security
Speaker:and safety within himself.
Speaker:He feels deeply insecure within, deeply insecure, and he needs
Speaker:the validation from other women on an ongoing basis in order to
Speaker:validate himself in his manhood.
Speaker:And that is why he cheats, or one of the most common reason why he cheats.
Speaker:Now, why, what is one of the most common, uh, reason why women cheat?
Speaker:Also, of course, because they seek their validation from the chase.
Speaker:So the very, very same reason here.
Speaker:But apart from that, there is also another very, very common reason.
Speaker:And that is when the man they're in a relationship with is a nice guy.
Speaker:The typical pleaser guy has lost his spine, has lost his dark mask energy.
Speaker:He's no longer connected to his, to his wilder mask energy.
Speaker:But it's all about.
Speaker:Pleasing saying Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker:He's not showing up powerful anymore.
Speaker:He's, no, He's no longer expressing his truth or setting boundaries.
Speaker:He's just basically, um, allowing the world to treat him like a doormat.
Speaker:And what this does is it creates a lack of polarity.
Speaker:Because it's the feminine, you will not feel safe, and you will
Speaker:also not fully trust such a man because you cannot lean on him.
Speaker:You cannot lean on us if we are like that, if we're showing
Speaker:up from that wounded place.
Speaker:There is a lack of masculine energy, specifically dark masculine energy.
Speaker:And now women start to unconsciously look for that more
Speaker:gritty, darker, wilder, exciting masculine energy through a fling,
Speaker:through another man, through a coworker, through anyone really.
Speaker:It could be anyone who it is projected on.
Speaker:And out of that.
Speaker:Often cheating is born.
Speaker:It's that need for, for more dark mask energy.
Speaker:It's that need for more.
Speaker:Of course, it can be novelty, like I said before, and, uh, some exciting
Speaker:and fear of commitment, like I mentioned before, same with men,
Speaker:but often it has to do with that because there's no polarity and now
Speaker:she's seeing that somewhere else.
Speaker:And of course, once again, there are no excuses for this.
Speaker:A conscious and healed being is in integrity with themselves.
Speaker:So they will go to their partner and let them know that they're unfulfilled,
Speaker:or let them know their true desires.
Speaker:And if they're not met, then it's gonna be a conscious breakup, from a place
Speaker:of love as much as possible, uh, or otherwise, both can find a way together.
Speaker:So these are really the most common reasons.
Speaker:Women really often cheat because the the man is a nice guy and
Speaker:they're no longer feeling that sense of strong masculine energy
Speaker:and they look for it somewhere else.
Speaker:Men often cheat because they validate their manhood through intimacy.
Speaker:Now, the sense of novelty and excitingness, it's the same for women
Speaker:and men that chase needing that.
Speaker:So these are the most common reasons, but at the deepest level, of course
Speaker:it is because we're confused.
Speaker:We're out of integrity with ourselves.
Speaker:We lie to ourselves.
Speaker:We're not honest, we're not, we're not in our truth.
Speaker:And then that is reflecting itself through secrecy and betraying the,
Speaker:the one we say we love the most.
Speaker:On a quick note, being attracted to someone who cheats with you while
Speaker:they're in a committed relationship or married is usually never a
Speaker:good sign because you have to ask yourself, why do you enjoy this?
Speaker:Is this really coming from a soul level?
Speaker:Because if they cheat on their partner with you, they might also cheat
Speaker:on you with someone else later on.
Speaker:So you have to ask yourself why you attracted to this?
Speaker:Does it give you a sense of being more worthy?
Speaker:Do you notice how it boosts your shadow and ego?
Speaker:He's choosing or she's choosing me above them, a sense of competition,
Speaker:which is really superficial and comes from a sense of deep, low self-esteem.
Speaker:This has nothing to do with our souls and hearts true desire.
Speaker:That is an unsafe container.
Speaker:If someone wants to be in a relationship with you, they first have to come
Speaker:from a place of clarity, not half wasted in a relationship, or at worst
Speaker:cheating on their partner with you.
Speaker:There is never a safe container to be in.
Speaker:You should always set your boundaries, or in most cases, walk away.
Speaker:Now let's talk about healing from infidelity.
Speaker:The first question when you are being betrayed is can you
Speaker:find forgiveness in your heart?
Speaker:Is that something you can actually forgive?
Speaker:Or through the act of cheating, has the point of zero return been reached?
Speaker:This is something you need to ask yourself.
Speaker:Whether you're a man or a woman, you need to ask yourself this question,
Speaker:because otherwise, and I've seen this, someone tries to find forgiveness, but
Speaker:deep down they actually no longer and will never trust the other person again.
Speaker:So this is very, very important because this really decides whether
Speaker:the healing is going to be on your own or it's gonna be in the relationship.
Speaker:Now for some people, they can find forgiveness because of whatever reasons.
Speaker:There is maybe a whole history that both were showing of a place of
Speaker:unconsciousness, or you feel at a deeper level that you can find forgiveness.
Speaker:If that is the case, is it possible to heal?
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:And we'll, we'll be talking about that in a second.
Speaker:Now, for the one who has been cheated on, and then we'll
Speaker:talk about the responsibility of the one who has cheated.
Speaker:But for the one who has been cheated on, your work is in understanding
Speaker:that this is not personal.
Speaker:And this is why I've talked about this in such great detail in today's episode.
Speaker:Because them cheating on you is a reflection of the relationship
Speaker:they have with themselves and never are reflection of you.
Speaker:You might have had a huge part in the unconscious dynamic, but
Speaker:still it never excuses cheating.
Speaker:So this is really, really important to understand that it's not personal.
Speaker:It's deep trauma and pain within them.
Speaker:There will be a part inside.
Speaker:It will make it personal.
Speaker:Why did they cheat on me?
Speaker:What is wrong with me?
Speaker:What is this?
Speaker:You have full permission to let that part go, it can speak, it can
Speaker:say things, but do not follow it because it is simply not the truth.
Speaker:I can assure you the one who cheats always cheats on themselves and
Speaker:there is a deeper issue that is within themselves at the deepest
Speaker:level, and that is their work.
Speaker:You don't have to do the work for them.
Speaker:You don't have to take responsibility and understand that.
Speaker:The only thing you need to focus on is opening your heart again.
Speaker:Because your trust has been shattered.
Speaker:And now what might happen is that there is a belief I can no longer ever
Speaker:trust another man or another woman.
Speaker:And that is okay.
Speaker:That is understandably so at the beginning.
Speaker:But just because someone is in a state of confusion and cheats on you
Speaker:doesn't mean that everyone is a cheaer.
Speaker:And if you choose to forgive, it is possible if they really
Speaker:step up and if they really show up and take responsibility.
Speaker:Because as I said, once one reaches a certain level of healing and awakening,
Speaker:they become incapable of the act of cheating, because they are in
Speaker:alignment with their souls integrity.
Speaker:But of course, they have to be open to that.
Speaker:So for the one who has been cheated on your work is to not make it personal.
Speaker:If the relationship is over, it's about giving yourself the
Speaker:grace and time to open your heart again, and to trust again.
Speaker:The heart is meant to open and to trust, of course, the right people.
Speaker:But remember when your heart breaks, you are not broken.
Speaker:Your heart is now breaking open.
Speaker:Always remember When your heart is broken from being cheated on,
Speaker:it doesn't mean you are broken.
Speaker:What it means is that your heart is breaking open to an even deeper love
Speaker:and for spirit and for the light to make its home inside your heart.
Speaker:So surrender to the process of your heart being broken, the deep confusion,
Speaker:and the unsettling of your spirit.
Speaker:Surrender to it.
Speaker:And that in itself, this initiation, even though so painful, will
Speaker:allow you to set your roots deeper in your heart, to become a more
Speaker:compassionate, loving, and ultimately a wiser and more awakened being.
Speaker:Now for the one who has a pattern of cheating.
Speaker:The most important thing to understand here is where does this come from?
Speaker:In many cases, it comes from a mother or father wound, and usually it comes
Speaker:from a deep place of unworthiness.
Speaker:So one of the common ways you can show up, there are many reasons, I
Speaker:cannot provide all of them because I'm not coaching you or I don't know
Speaker:the context here of the listener.
Speaker:But many times it has to do with not feeling worthy of
Speaker:a committed relationship.
Speaker:And from that place of unworthiness, we're engaging in self sabotage.
Speaker:We're engaging in ruining that which we actually, at a deeper
Speaker:level want to experience.
Speaker:That is sacredness and this deeper level of commitment.
Speaker:And then we're ultimately unconsciously recreating a
Speaker:reality where we feel unworthy.
Speaker:So it's almost like that subconscious addiction to suffering, to recreating
Speaker:unconsciously a reality where we feel unworthy, where we experience the
Speaker:familiar, the feeling of rejection, and ultimately a deeper feeling
Speaker:of abandonment even though we, through the act of cheating, have
Speaker:abandoned our beloved in a deep way.
Speaker:So it's really the work for you is to take an honest look into the mirror.
Speaker:Where are you lying to yourself?
Speaker:Where are you not speaking your true desires?
Speaker:It's time to move back into alignment with your soul's integrity, to
Speaker:live a life of truth so that you can look into the mirror and you
Speaker:can be proud of the person and the soul and the being that you are.
Speaker:And the even deeper question you need to ask yourself is, how
Speaker:can I source my confidence and validation from a deep place within
Speaker:me rather than something external?
Speaker:So when you can answer this question and you, you start to source it
Speaker:from a deeper place within you, that can be spiritual practice, working
Speaker:with people, any form of healing modality that you are being guided,
Speaker:intuitively guided towards, can help you in sourcing that, that innate
Speaker:sense of wholeness from within you.
Speaker:So you no longer will yield to these impulses and no longer need
Speaker:that validation from anywhere else.
Speaker:And truly, only from that place can you step into a really
Speaker:conscious relationship because now you're not, you're not escaping,
Speaker:you're not looking for something.
Speaker:You have it within you.
Speaker:And from that place you can love to the fullest.
Speaker:Now when it comes to a couple who has, if you have chosen that you want
Speaker:to heal from infidelity, the most important thing that you need to be
Speaker:aware of is that the cheater needs to work on actively rebuilding the trust.
Speaker:There needs to be clear progress and um, also a total understanding
Speaker:of the pain that the one who has been cheated on is experiencing.
Speaker:There can't be any, oh, well that's a year ago, so you better
Speaker:get over it because I actually showed up great for one year.
Speaker:No, there has to be this hard openness that this will come up again and again.
Speaker:On the other hand, the responsibility, while responsibility, but if what
Speaker:if you are being treated on and you want to heal from this, then
Speaker:you also need to do something.
Speaker:And of course, it's the work of the other who has cheated
Speaker:on you to rebuild trust.
Speaker:But you also at some point have to let them back in again.
Speaker:And of course you need to give yourself grace.
Speaker:It's not gonna go from the beginning on work.
Speaker:But if they really show up, they can only do so much, and at some point,
Speaker:you have to let them back in again.
Speaker:Because if you don't, that is completely fine.
Speaker:But then at the end of the level, you need to ask yourself, is this
Speaker:actually something I can forgive?
Speaker:Because there's nothing more painful than being stuck in the middle.
Speaker:You are in a relationship, but you're both deeply unfulfilled.
Speaker:It's better than to part ways or to take a break and to come to a deeper sense of
Speaker:clarity because you want to be together from a place of conscious choice and not
Speaker:from a place of, well, I never trust you again, but I'm still there physically.
Speaker:So the cheater needs to rebuild trust.
Speaker:They need to show continuous progress.
Speaker:They need to give you the feeling that this will never, ever happen again.
Speaker:So give yourself the grace to slowly open your heart again, but
Speaker:eventually you have to make the decision whether you are going to
Speaker:forgive or you are going to move on.
Speaker:And if you both work together in this way as a team, then you
Speaker:can heal, you can find healing.
Speaker:It is a journey.
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