Lane Kennedy (00:09)
Welcome back. Welcome to Inside Omega, the show where science meets soul and biohacking becomes doable. I'm here with my host, Jason Kidman, peptide educator and founder of Omega Longevity. And I'm Laine Kennedy. I'm a 3x4 genetics person. I deal with mindfulness and stress management. I'm here to soothe your soul.
We're gonna be talking about peptides, genetics, epigenetics, mitochondrial health, longevity, and nervous system safe healing. We're gonna do all that without any overwhelm. Each week we take complex ideas and break them down to make them simple for you. So whether you're a practitioner, a midlife woman reinventing your health, or a curious guy out there ready to feel better, Inside Omega offers real talk.
real tools and real results for your cells, your genes and your peace of mind. Jason, let's get into it. What's up?
Jason Kidman (01:04)
Hi. Hey,
right? Mitochondria, energy, that the topic? Bringing some energy today, bringing it.
Lane Kennedy (01:10)
Energy, lots of energy.
Yeah, you know what? So I was teaching, well, I have a new session teaching my stress management class and a lot of my, well, all my students are there because they're stressed out. And one of the things, this is really interesting that has come up is, this is brand new. I've been teaching this class for almost 10 years now, avoidance.
Jason Kidman (01:38)
Hmm.
Lane Kennedy (01:39)
Do know what that means?
Jason Kidman (01:41)
Yeah, I'm a... Well, when we talk about attachment types, I am not an avoidant. I'm an anxious attachment and my wife is an avoidant. So that's what I know about avoidant.
Lane Kennedy (01:45)
Are you an avoidant?
Well, one of the things...
Well,
this is just like blowing my mind how, you know, before I teach a class, I kind of ask where everybody's at and I've never had anybody come out and just say, I'm avoiding things. So it really tells me how stressed out we are as a group of humans, a society of people are just starting to shut down. And a couple of my students were saying like, they don't even want to be on their phone. They don't want to respond to messages. They don't want to return phone calls.
Jason Kidman (02:12)
Hmm.
Lane Kennedy (02:29)
I was like, that's avoidant. That's like breaking down.
Jason Kidman (02:35)
Now is there a level of avoidance because people are just tired? Or is it just stressed and overwhelmed?
Lane Kennedy (02:42)
I think it's all encompassing. think we're living in a time, I mean, you can't really watch the news these days. It's like that's overwhelmed, right? The economy is, that's another thing. If you have kids, that's another stress point. So, you know, it's like, are we tired? Yeah, I think as a society, we're tired.
Jason Kidman (03:03)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (03:07)
It's just this loaded conversation.
Jason Kidman (03:10)
because I will say that when I'm, you know, fatigued or tired, you know, it's not feeling good or pain levels are high. Then I'm more likely to avoid doing things. And what I avoid is tedious stuff. I'll go in and do the hard stuff. You know, the stuff that I'd say I enjoy, I enjoy hard stuff. don't enjoy paperwork. I don't enjoy tedious stuff. I don't enjoy that.
Lane Kennedy (03:13)
Okay.
and
Right.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (03:36)
but I get that stuff done easiest and best when my energy is high and, then it becomes easy and almost kind of nice. Almost, almost feels nice. Cause you're like getting stuff done that is easy. Whereas when I'm tired, it's like, it's like just annoying and difficult to even, to even start. Right. That's me
personally. What about you?
What are you like? Well, first of all, I've got to say this. I have identified that, and I've told you this, you are a go-getter. Like you get stuff done fast. I imagine that your email inbox is probably always clear to zero. Am I accurate?
Lane Kennedy (04:06)
Well.
Yeah, I do.
You're accurate. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (04:26)
Yeah. And what's
not, what's not done is being queued up to get done the next day or in a certain time. I'm just guessing because there's been actionable items, but they've been sent to your email from me or my team. And I'm seeing a response from a mobile phone the same day, you know, just it's very, you know, it's, it's great. And it's amazing. It's called, you know, it's getting stuff done, but I also could see it being, ⁓ amplifying stress.
Lane Kennedy (04:30)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's accurate. I mean, it's been really hard for the last 10 months or nine months or whatever, this situation I've been in. And there's been times when I haven't been able to respond. And then I'll go into my email and there's a hundred emails and I'm just like, my, like that gives me anxiety. And I try to get through it as best I can.
Jason Kidman (04:54)
if you're not in the right, maybe emotional state, perhaps. I'm not sure, you know.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (05:19)
And then I'm totally fried. Burnout. Like I just, I reached that point of like, my gosh, I'm exhausted. I have to go lay down now. And that's simply from answering emails, right? And I just kind of think about people that have really intense jobs and they have family and responsibilities. You know, they're not struggling with an illness like I am. It's like, it's a lot. Like burnout is a real...
It's a real thing. It's a real thing. And so like, how do we address that? I mean, there's so many ways that we can go after it and everybody is so unique and individual and everybody has their own genes and their own profile. But I think we can start or we can look at, you know, mitochondrial health because if we have that health at the foundation, then we can start to kind of reorganize the way that we live.
Jason Kidman (06:11)
Yeah, I love it. I love it. ⁓ I love peptides for energy, for mitochondria, reboot. I believe I was in a really, I'm probably still in to some extent, kind of a dysfunctional state due to all the years of chronic pain and poor sleep, right? Like my body just was not recovering significantly.
I think from so many years, it has a compounding effect. And then going back to what you just described, that's been me. I've been forcing things. But I also have no quit. I have no quit.
Lane Kennedy (06:47)
I was going to say you're at the office until seven, eight o'clock at night. I'm like, what are you doing? Like you're like, I'll respond to emails, but you'll be at the office. All right. Like you're.
Jason Kidman (06:51)
Yeah.
I've been doing like 12 hour days all week. It's Thursday today. I'm at it. And there's a point where it's rewarding and it's actually like, you know, almost feels good doing all this for me, you know, for me. And if I'm going to set myself up for success, like I'm going to, need to take breaks. But this week I've not been taking breaks.
Lane Kennedy (06:58)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (07:21)
And I've been working till eight, nine o'clock trying to get this project done. And there's a point where it flips every single day and it just turns into frustration, fatigue. like why not? Like, why is this not done yet? ⁓ I have bad, I've been told this before. I have kind of a bad set of self expectations. know, I expect too
Lane Kennedy (07:23)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (07:42)
much out of myself and maybe others because
I am so, had a business coach tell me this. Karen, if you're listening, hi. She's so awesome. But yeah, I'm highly
Lane Kennedy (07:54)
You
Jason Kidman (07:55)
motivated and I just, I make it happen at no matter what cost. And if I decide, if I say I'm gonna do something, then it's gonna get done no matter what. Instead, it would probably serve me better just to say, all right, I'm done for the day.
Lane Kennedy (07:58)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (08:14)
that stuff, let go of it, it'll be here tomorrow. But if I have committed
Lane Kennedy (08:16)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (08:18)
to something or to myself that this needs to be done by X, then I just keep going at it and at it and at it. And yes, of course, I use nootropics and peptides and things to really make my brain function at a higher level. But I think there's only so much of that you can do.
Lane Kennedy (08:38)
How often do get outside? Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (08:41)
outside. Well, I can gym. I'm either outside or at the gym every day. Okay.
Now I feel best if I go on a one or two walks outside mid day. I fantastic. I think we talked about that in another episode, right? And that just makes sense. think that's everything I've been taught is that's the way to do it.
Lane Kennedy (08:52)
Yeah.
Yeah, I think we are. I noticed yesterday I went to the beach again and I just sat and I just looked out at the ocean and the different colors and the shades of blue and green and gray and a little bit of pink. And it was like, wow, it completely regulated my nervous system. It reset my brain. And I thought there are
thousands of people living in this city and they're all inside, right? And there were probably 20 people on the beach. And I thought, wow, this is such a missed opportunity. We live in this really wonderful, amazing, beautiful place and there's 20 of us out here enjoying it. Everyone else is inside. it was like, I think we're.
Jason Kidman (09:43)
Mm-hmm.
everyone else
is inside burning, getting themselves burned up, know, burned out, right?
Lane Kennedy (09:51)
Burned out, burned
out, right? It's like on the screen, doing their work, whatever it is, they're inside an environment that is like taking away the visual experience, right? That can really heal people.
Jason Kidman (10:05)
And I think the other thing on that note would be, you know, if I'm, if I'm able to, if I get stressed and if I take 10 minutes and do a breath work session, then I feel amazing, but it's a challenge trying to fight myself with like, don't, I don't have 10 minutes, you know, it's ridiculous. ⁓ but yeah, not, it's not, not right. Not right now. What if.
Lane Kennedy (10:21)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Right.
Jason Kidman (10:32)
What if you could take that breath work session and go outside and do it? You get a two for one. That's synergy. That's like peptides. One plus one equals three.
Lane Kennedy (10:39)
So good. So good. Yeah, it's so interesting how, like I had a student last night asked me, you know, like, tell me how to do this. You know, tell me how to be more calm. Tell me how to not be so stressed. And I said, I am telling you.
Jason Kidman (10:41)
Yeah, I got to adopt that more.
Lane Kennedy (10:59)
but you have to do the work. Like you have to actually get yourself outside to the beach or you have to get yourself sitting in a chair, breathing and meditating. You have to do it. It's like, I can't be everywhere with you. Like I wish I could, could be in your pocket. You pull me out. I could tell you, but it's like, again, I think there's such a disconnect with people right now of their own being, like what they're doing. And
Jason Kidman (11:13)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (11:23)
We need to get back to ourselves. I don't know how we're going to do it, Jason, but we need to get back to ourselves. Is that through peptides? Is that through no tropics? I don't know.
Jason Kidman (11:28)
Mm-hmm.
No, I don't think so. I really don't. think that it depends on, you know, I think that the peptides or nootropics can help with put the momentum the right way. You know, if you have burned up mitochondria and you're able to change your lifestyle to a point where ⁓
Lane Kennedy (11:46)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (11:55)
your stress level drops to nil, you you're eating extremely good, you're just doing everything right. And then all of a sudden, and you're doing meditation and breath work, then all of a sudden you're starting to sleep seven or eight hours a night instead of five or six. Then in overtime, I once had a doctor tell me that, you know, if it took you five years to get as sick as you are now, then...
Lane Kennedy (11:57)
Mm-hmm. you
Right.
Jason Kidman (12:21)
it might take you five years to get better, right? ⁓ They don't, yeah. But my idea, my thought is if it took you five years to where you are now, use peptides and get better in six months or a year or two years, you know, and use
Lane Kennedy (12:25)
Or more. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (12:38)
not just peptides, but other modalities that might be kind of cutting edge. And of course, implement self mastery stuff, know, breath work and meditation.
spiritual work, that like good stuff that you do.
Lane Kennedy (12:54)
So we're talking a little bit about mitochondrial health, and I want our listeners to kind of, like, how can they recognize if they have mitochondrial dysfunction? What have you seen with your clients?
Jason Kidman (12:57)
Mm-hmm.
usually the way I'm able to see it is how they respond to different things, which are different compounds or different other peptides, right? So for example, the MOTC, very popular fat burning energy producing peptide, if that doesn't work in you, whether it's 500 micrograms or 5 milligrams, if it's not working,
Lane Kennedy (13:14)
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (13:29)
then that's a sign. If you know, never.
Lane Kennedy (13:31)
Would you start with that? Would you start with Amatsi?
So if this person is, maybe let's get some symptoms first, because I think mitochondrial health can be sneaky. I think it's subtle. That's what I guess I'm trying to say. And I know that sleep disruption is a huge part of that, I think.
Jason Kidman (13:39)
Mm-hmm.
Sleep disruption, just general fatigue. But assuming that your thyroid and hormones are in balance or in the upper quadrant, 75%, well, most of them you want in the upper, right? For men, you don't want the estrogen to be on the high side. You want that to be in a certain area. But if all that's good, then...
Lane Kennedy (13:52)
Mm-hmm. Fatigue, yeah.
Jason Kidman (14:14)
that would be a sign. And then also, you know, look at the lifestyle that people have had if they have been chronically stressed and, you know, sleep deprived and terrible food, you know, nutrition habits, fast food a lot, that's gonna set up for failure as well.
Lane Kennedy (14:33)
I think that chronic fatigue
You just nailed it. That is such a mitochondrial thing. It's just like,
Jason Kidman (14:37)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (14:40)
Like
not having the ability to work out is, also think that's a mitochondrial thing. Like, you know, you can only work out for 10 minutes or 15 minutes and you're exhausted or you go outside and you can't walk very long. That's a mitochondrial issue as well. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (14:53)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
So I like to, well, one of my top five favorite peptides is SS31. yeah, what's the name of it? Yeah, like I feel really good with SS31. And I still don't feel great with MOTC, which just tells me that I'm not ready for MOTC yet a lot.
Lane Kennedy (15:02)
SS 31. It's your hero.
Mm-hmm.
Mm.
Jason Kidman (15:20)
Okay. SS31 though, and this is important to know, and we might've mentioned this before too, but just in the last two months, this has been announced to be a big pharma medication. This has been around for 10, 20, I don't know how many years, but it's a staple. I mean, so it's called barf syndrome. Barf.
Lane Kennedy (15:29)
⁓ What are they going to do with it for like big pharma?
But like.
Jason Kidman (15:50)
It's a very rare mitochondria disease. Yeah. So if big pharma is turning this peptide into a mitochondria disease solution, what does that tell you? Like that tells you it works. And they're taking it from a $90 vial or wherever you're sourcing it from to what I've heard is 60 to $80,000 a month.
Lane Kennedy (15:54)
Huh. Okay.
Right. Mm hmm.
my God.
Jason Kidman (16:20)
your treatment.
Lane Kennedy (16:22)
I need to look at this. What is this BARTH syndrome? Yeah, I see it. A rare, okay, so first of all, it's a rare life-threatening genetic disorder primarily affecting males caused by mutations in the T-A-Z gene leading to heart problems, muscle weakness, immune deficiency, poor growth, distinctive facial features.
Jason Kidman (16:25)
birth.
Barth, yeah.
Lane Kennedy (16:47)
impacting mitochondria and phospholipid metabolism, shortening life expectancy. Okay, but here's my question is like, how many people have this that they're going to take it off the market and only use it for this? Right? I need to know how many people, how many people get this?
Jason Kidman (17:02)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Well, they say extremely rare.
Lane Kennedy (17:10)
Right.
Jason Kidman (17:11)
So how rare is...
Lane Kennedy (17:13)
So,
okay, here we go. One in 300,000 to 400,000 live births globally.
Jason Kidman (17:19)
so they're born with it. wow. Yeah, yeah. OK.
Lane Kennedy (17:21)
Yes. It's genetics, right? It's that T-A-Z
gene. And then it says, though it's likely underdiagnosed as less than 200 cases are known worldwide. Fewer than 400 people, predominantly males, are estimated to have it currently. So they're going to take this fantastic peptide, SS31, shuffle it into big pharma, and take it off the market for 99 % of the world.
Jason Kidman (17:34)
200.
Lane Kennedy (17:47)
my God, that just makes me crazy. That just makes me crazy.
Jason Kidman (17:49)
Yeah, yeah, all
the quality peptide sellers in the research realm have already taken it off. Limitless doesn't offer it anymore. We got our hands on a bunch just to have it on hand, but ⁓ yeah, they've taken it off. Every big, big cellar of peptides has essentially removed it. There's some little...
Lane Kennedy (17:57)
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (18:17)
you know, China import places that are still selling it lying under the radar. yeah, like they're it's being hit hard. Similar to the the tersepidide was about four or five years ago, three, four years ago, when Manjaro and ZipBound beat work to market.
Lane Kennedy (18:21)
Right.
Yeah.
So what does the SS31 peptide do for the mitochondria? What is it actually, how is it?
affecting it, what's the mechanism of the action? Like what's it happening in that realm to make it feel upgraded?
Jason Kidman (18:51)
So I love
how Dr. Kent Holthorff puts it. And I'm gonna paraphrase and then I'll hit up some of these bullet points here, but he describes it like this. Your mitochondria, if you were to take a picture of your mitochondria, it's inside your cells, right? And it's like this, and then there's...
you know, around it. There you go. Yeah, the organelle, right? So
Lane Kennedy (19:21)
Curly cues, there's an organelle, there's like a little, yep.
Jason Kidman (19:27)
you constantly have things being transported in and out. One of those things being transported in and out is actually MotC, which I don't know the full name of MotC. It's a huge long name, but it's actually like essentially inner cells and inner mitochondria right now, MotC is. And SS31.
Lane Kennedy (19:32)
Correct.
⁓ huh.
Jason Kidman (19:45)
This is how that doctor puts it. So SS31 is essentially the hardware repair of the mitochondria. Okay. So that fixes the hardware of the mitochondria. MotC is the software upgrade of the mitochondria. So if you go and try to upgrade your operating system on your Mac,
Lane Kennedy (19:54)
⁓ Interesting.
Jason Kidman (20:14)
to the latest, but your Mac is 10 years old, it's not gonna accept the update. And if you force it to update through
hacking it somehow, it's gonna crash it, right? If you go, and same thing with Windows 11, if you try to upgrade a Windows 10 computer to Windows 11, but the hardware doesn't support it, it's going to crash it, or it just won't accept the update, or reject it, or it just won't work.
Lane Kennedy (20:24)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (20:42)
mitochondria is the exact same way with when in the realm of these peptides. Then we can get into all the other mitochondria boosting things too, but I think those are the two that really should be focused on as far as the core healing and the core health of our mitochondria, AKA the powerhouse of ourselves.
Lane Kennedy (21:01)
Yeah, I think for SS 31, when you're putting together a protocol, are you putting somebody on? I guess it depends on the person and how fatigued they are or what their symptoms are. But I would think that SS 31 would be a peptide that you could use for
three months, four months, five months? Or do you have to cycle on and off? Like, is it the same kind of cycle on cycle off?
Jason Kidman (21:24)
So it's
two different things. So first of all, you have the protocol and then you could have maintenance. So the protocol can be the old one that's been around for 10 years is four milligrams a day for 25 days. That's 100 milligrams over 25 days. That's what I've coined the poor man's mitochondria repair because you only need 100 milligrams.
Lane Kennedy (21:31)
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (21:50)
And then the best way to do it is 10 milligrams a day for 20 days. So that's 200 milligrams over 20 days. So we're getting twice the amount in 20 days instead of 24 days with less.
Lane Kennedy (22:09)
So if somebody were to do that on their own accord, we are not prescribing here. This is a protocol that's out there in the internet. I would think that they would start to feel pretty good.
Jason Kidman (22:16)
Right. This is education.
Yeah, so what I've been doing with my own self experimentation is actually 25 milligrams a day. And I started that back in November, I think. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (22:33)
Dude, you're like... Jesus.
25? I'm
just wrapping my head around that right now. That is like so much.
Jason Kidman (22:42)
Yeah, a lot, right?
So I got my hands on some 500 milligram vials. And so I did 25. I got four of them, two grams. And I've almost gone through all. Well, let's say I've split one of them. I've gone through essentially 1.5 grams, 1500 milligrams in the last four months. And the first two months, I did 25 milligrams for six weeks straight. No break.
Lane Kennedy (23:09)
Like 20, a day?
Jason Kidman (23:11)
Yeah. Yeah. And then I went to Monday through Friday. And then since then, I've dropped down to 15 milligrams three days a week. And then from there, I'll drop down to, you know, really probably more like five milligrams twice a week for longevity.
Lane Kennedy (23:14)
God. Yeah.
Heroic doses, that's what we call them in, ⁓ yeah, plant-lucid.
Jason Kidman (23:35)
Yeah, but you know, a of people
are dosing, a lot of people are dosing it at, for maintenance anywhere from, you know, 500 micrograms to one or two milligrams. So just a teeny amount. And the vials are often sold in 10 milligram vials. I know Limitless before they had to take it off market was they had a vial for 50 milligrams, which was one of the higher amounts available.
Lane Kennedy (23:53)
All
Jason Kidman (24:02)
It's just never been a cheap peptide to get. I was fortunate to get some actually donated to me, what we'll say donated in a large bulk amount. So I ran that bolus and that bolus dose, but there are some leading edge experts out there and physicians and coaches that have run it as high as 50 milligrams a day.
Lane Kennedy (24:04)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
⁓
For how long?
Jason Kidman (24:30)
I don't know the duration, but I would say, actually, this is one of the things that I was, I specifically remember being told that how long the answer to that was, it depends on what they can afford.
Lane Kennedy (24:43)
my God.
I'm just looking at seeing if I have any in my stash.
Jason Kidman (24:47)
Well,
while you're looking, it's important to understand that SS31 is one of the only, if not the only peptides that is linear, meaning, and we're getting geeky here, but meaning that like the more the better, whereas almost everything, like 99 % in things in life, the more is not better. know, SS31 is the only thing that I've ever encountered where there is no really upper limit and the more the better.
Lane Kennedy (24:58)
Yeah, get it.
Jason Kidman (25:16)
within a little bit of context. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (25:20)
just found my stash.
Jason Kidman (25:22)
Did you find some?
Lane Kennedy (25:24)
You know, like I
ordered, like I just went crazy and ordered a bunch of, look, I have more than I thought. It's like I'm digging in for gold here. Let's see. Because I haven't used my peptides, right? Because of my situation. ⁓ But I'm intrigued about this SS 31 and doing a. If I have any in here. OK, so I have.
Jason Kidman (25:32)
Are they 10 milgram vials or higher?
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Lane Kennedy (25:50)
I'm going to do a heroic dose, think. So I have 60, 60, 10, and 50. So I have 180 milligrams.
Jason Kidman (26:02)
OK, so keep the 10 aside. I'll tell you why. Run the other and reconstitute the other one and utilize just start with 1 milligram. make sure there's negative response. After three days, go to 2 or 3 milligrams. After a few more days, go to 5. And yeah.
Lane Kennedy (26:03)
So I could easily, so what?
Okay.
Just like, okay, okay, so what, wait, so
wait, what would be some of the, like a negative response? ⁓ God, I can't have more fatigue.
Jason Kidman (26:29)
Fatigue, brain fog.
Yeah, I've never experienced it. And if anybody was going to, it'd be me. So you don't need to worry about it. And it is one where if you're high dosing, some of the experts will say, once you get into it a few days, might be totally normal a week into it or so at the higher doses to start feeling worse.
Lane Kennedy (26:38)
⁓ God.
Jason Kidman (26:56)
before you feel better. And when I say worse, it might be for like a week or whatever, right? But that's at these high doses. So that's why I say like really work up slowly and taper up. When I started, I just started at 25.
Lane Kennedy (27:10)
I
know, but you're that guy. You're like, I'm going all in, I'm doing it. But you can.
Jason Kidman (27:15)
Yeah, I think
it's been great for me. Like feel like my baseline is raised significantly, like my baseline energy. So I feel like it's been a big blessing in my life. And now I actually do feel like 500 micrograms of Matzi. I do get a nice little energy boost from it. But if I try 1.5 or 2.5 milligram Matzi, it just still doesn't, it doesn't work for me like it does for anybody else.
Lane Kennedy (27:40)
Really? have so much.
I have so much Mott's. I love Mott's. That was my peptide when I first started.
Jason Kidman (27:45)
Yeah.
I remember you've always loved that one.
Lane Kennedy (27:50)
No, I just like...
Jason Kidman (27:52)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (27:53)
Well, I think this has been a really great show. We talked about SS 31. What? What else?
Jason Kidman (27:57)
well, yeah, that's
a certain case. That 10-milligram vial, save it, mix it up with 10 mLs of deionized water as a nasal spray.
Lane Kennedy (28:01)
Yes.
okay.
Jason Kidman (28:09)
Awesome, awesome brain energy boost afternoon boost focus energy all the above No side effects that I've ever experienced anyway I love that I went through my my 10-milligram vials too quickly. I'm out of it. So
Lane Kennedy (28:14)
Great.
I love it. This is.
Jason Kidman (28:28)
And beyond that, I think the things to learn about more would be, I'll pull up a few things here just to share as an outtake. ⁓ So epithelon or epithelon,
Lane Kennedy (28:36)
Yep. Get nerdy with us.
Jason Kidman (28:44)
I think that just seems to help with everything. So that's probably going to have some benefit to mitochondria, humanin, neuroprotection benefits, oxidative stress help. You know, that's probably going to help. Cerebral lysin, ⁓ one ml per day of that is gold. Cerebral lysin. It's hard to get now, but I figured out how to do it. So
Lane Kennedy (28:54)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Of course
Jason Kidman (29:11)
It comes in these ampoules that you have to break open, right? And
so you have to draw it out with a filter. And you're not supposed to refrigerate it. And it's not supposed to be exposed to air. So what I did was I drew it out into two 5-ml syringes. So I have 5-ml, 5-ml out of a 10-ml ampoule. And they stay sealed. And then I put a new
Lane Kennedy (29:24)
makes it difficult.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (29:36)
you know, a 27 gauge, 1 1⁄2 inch needle on it, inject 1 ml, take the needle off. No, no, this part's not, making it is a lot of work, like making the, like that's, but once you've made it, you can do the injection, put the new needle on in a matter of 30 seconds, and then you just leave it at room temp, the syringe, for the next day.
Lane Kennedy (29:39)
Needle. Yep.
Yep. my God. It's a lot of work.
and
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (30:03)
That is my favorite. Like when I'm doing that consistently, I feel the best. Like right now, that's just right now. But everybody that,
Lane Kennedy (30:04)
Wow. Hmm. That's a good one.
Jason Kidman (30:11)
everybody that's microdosing Cerebrolysin loves it, you know, the, the world uses this for brain benefits, traumatic brain injuries, you know, Alzheimer's, et cetera. But, but the, it's really being utilized more and more now at the small microdose of one ML.
Lane Kennedy (30:19)
I'm
Jason Kidman (30:30)
and one ml or one milliliter is kind of become the standard for everyday people, business people, people looking for a boost of energy, nootropic boost and brain regeneration
all at the same time. So there's that one. There's one called back to the energy mitochondria. Glutathione is probably going to help with mitochondria, but that's a good thing just to run on the weekends.
when you're doing nothing else, just for cleanup crew. And then Klotho-1 peptide is going to be, I believe, is going to be a huge player in the mitochondria space. Because that's like SS31, it seems to help with everything. And then the protocol to get NAD plus working for you the right way is going to have an awesome, awesome impact on our energy levels, that NAD plus.
Lane Kennedy (31:09)
you
Jason Kidman (31:24)
Just lots of stuff we could talk about with all this, but to keep it simple with mitochondria, I would just really stick with the SS31 to start with and the MOTC.
I just don't, like people love NAD +, and they're being told all over social media by the AI algorithms that they need it. But the fact of matter is, NAD +, is very, very,
If you're not ready for it, it's just going to make you feel like garbage. And so that's, that's like the last thing that I would do. So if I'm ever building a educational
Lane Kennedy (31:54)
Right.
Jason Kidman (32:02)
coaching protocol, it's going to be mitochondria repair, mitochondria boosting, and then incorporating NAD plus, which is a whole separate protocol in of itself. But you can do it actually, it sounds hard, but it's actually pretty easy.
Lane Kennedy (32:17)
You have so many protocols. You're genius at this. So if somebody is stressed out, burned out,
Jason Kidman (32:20)
you
Lane Kennedy (32:27)
experiencing fatigue, not sleeping. You might want to, I don't know, jump into the Omega community, start one of these mitochondrial protocols, just do an experiment, right? That's really what it's about. Boosting, boosting. Yeah, just see what'll happen, what'll change your energy, what'll give you energy. So many tools. We have so many tools.
Jason Kidman (32:35)
Hmm.
Yeah, self experimentation, right?
Lane Kennedy (32:56)
that we can offer. great. Anything else you want to add? We're done. Wrap it up. Put a bow on it.
Jason Kidman (33:00)
⁓ I could talk about 10 more things that would be energy boosting, but let's just keep it simple. I have a feeling it's already beyond simple. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (33:06)
Yep, SS 31, my friends.
Yeah. Keep it simple. SS 31. Meditate,
get outside, go to the beach, go to the forest. Do something like that.
Jason Kidman (33:18)
I guess one thing to add to that would be, no, two things to that would be, these are not peptides. One would be.
Lane Kennedy (33:26)
I'm
Jason Kidman (33:27)
Methylene blue, twice a week for oxidative stress and that ROS. I forgot what ROS means. It's like the, you're so smart. That, it's gonna help with that. And then this guy.
Lane Kennedy (33:36)
reactive oxygen species. Yeah, yeah. You want to make sure.
Okay, go ahead, do that one. What is that? something new. What is that? What?
Jason Kidman (33:44)
Neuchito, Neuchito
Time Plus. So this is like, so you're probably familiar with NMN or NR. I respond very poorly to that, very poorly. And I know a lot of people that respond amazing to it, but this is the best NAD plus booster supplement in the world as far as I know. Yeah. So it has...
Lane Kennedy (33:54)
Hmm.
NAD booster, interesting.
Jason Kidman (34:11)
you know B3 in it, our our alpha lipoic acid in bio enhanced has parsley, green tea extract, ⁓ rootin. I have some on our little inside tree, like an indoor tree thing. I should send you a picture of it, you'd love it. I forgot what they're called. It like has lights and everything. You put little tiny baby plants and it grows.
Lane Kennedy (34:14)
Yep. You could always eat parsley, you know.
Yes, please.
Like a little indoor grower, like a little little house, like a little hot house. ⁓
Jason Kidman (34:38)
Yeah.
No, it's just a, white and it goes like this and
you have the water in it and it circulates the water. You add nutrients and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I'll send you a picture.
Lane Kennedy (34:49)
I have to see that. Send me a picture.
We can drop it into the community and everyone can see it.
Jason Kidman (34:53)
Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah.
But this guy right here, I've been hearing more and more about it for years. Not for years, for months, months, months. Like probably six months, and I finally got my hands on it. So again, you want to backfill your NAD support. And your NAD and your mitochondria are very, like one in the same. Related.
Lane Kennedy (35:17)
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (35:19)
but not everybody should just go out and do NAD +, but you could go out and do NAD support.
Lane Kennedy (35:23)
No. Yes. Good point, my friend. So good. Going back to, no, I don't want to talk about that. Reactive oxygen species. I don't want to talk about an oxidative stress. That's another conversation for genetics.
Jason Kidman (35:40)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's your world.
Lane Kennedy (35:44)
Yeah.
We'll wrap this episode up right here. You've listened long enough. Thank you for hanging out with us. Jump into the community and say hi. You can find out all the information in the show notes. We'll see you next time. Thanks.
Jason Kidman (35:48)
Yeah.
Thank you, Lane. Love you all.