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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi and welcome to the uworld order showcase podcast where we feature life, health, transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs, stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, the coaches alchemist on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission and get visible leveraging podcasts and the huge audience over on the Gnostic TV network. Today, we are chatting with Rafi.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: a poop.

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Rothi Apkallu: A Kalu.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Absolutely. I'm so sorry about that.

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Rothi Apkallu: It's it's practically a lost language. So don't feel bad. It's it's in Sumerian, and that's actually the name for the

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Rothi Apkallu: beings. For lack of a better word. They're not really defined if they're angels or demons, or whatever. But they're the beings that the highest God of creation in the Sumerian empire, Anu brought forth to teach humanity.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So you are a high priest, spiritual warrior, member of the Watchers Council, aiding and empowering humanity through hidden knowledge and ancient ritual, creating a movie. And you have a podcast by the same name called the Conscious Dragon. I'm really excited for this to come out

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and welcome to the show Rathi. It's really great to have you here.

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Rothi Apkallu: It is a pleasure and an honor to be here. Thank you for the opportunity. Bear with me. I may have Kitty Cats doing some photobop moments.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Well, the Internet just wouldn't be the same if we didn't have cats helping us along.

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Rothi Apkallu: What better way to gain traction? Right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, yeah, you know, you can get some spiritual knowledge here. And funny cat pics.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So yeah, so sweet.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I have a special spot in my heart for cats.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So I'm going to ask you the question that I'm asking everybody this season. What's the most significant thing in your opinion, as individuals we can do to make an impact on how the world is going.

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Rothi Apkallu: I think it comes down to 2 principles that are vastly overlooked in today's world, especially in the spiritual community. The 1st one would be discernment.

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Rothi Apkallu: There is so much information out there, and so much misinformation out there that people have lost touch with what's real and what's not. They've lost connection with reality. They're connecting to external and esoteric abstruse constructs rather than looking within and embracing their potential as humanity. They're looking to being aliens or demons or angels or whatever.

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Rothi Apkallu: And I think that's a huge problem we are facing on a global scale.

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Rothi Apkallu: And the second concept would be accountability.

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Rothi Apkallu: A lot of the religions and things teach that. Oh, it's okay. Go ahead. We'll just pray to Christ for forgiveness, or ask your priest for in confessional or whatever. And it's all good. You can be led into the gates of heaven.

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Rothi Apkallu: Sorry people, I think

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Rothi Apkallu: part of our reason we're here in this existence is to learn to be accountable and learn to make good choices, and that is something that

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Rothi Apkallu: a large part of our society honestly doesn't do.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, having having gone into and out of religious, a religious institution.

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Rothi Apkallu: Appropriate name, institution.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've I've recognized that personal responsibility is is really the key to interacting appropriately on this.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Space that we all occupy together.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's really easy

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to get caught up in religions. And there's, you know, different sorts of flavors of religions where you're giving your power to someone else.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When you.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Take personal responsibility. You lose power in any situation because you're giving the power to save you

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to someone else.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: My motto is, Be your own damn hero.

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Rothi Apkallu: That's it. I don't like the group, but I do like the ideology of be your own God.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think we're all part of God.

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Rothi Apkallu: We are all potentially Christ, conscious and divine creation. We are all born into this world as

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Rothi Apkallu: beings and as creators. We all have the gift of life. We all have the ability to create life and to embrace and help

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Rothi Apkallu: evolve life, and a lot of people lose sight of that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or taught to lose sight of it.

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Rothi Apkallu: Or they're never taught, that is, that it even exists.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You have the potential for anything, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and that you are responsible for yourself, but you're also responsible for others, because we are all connected. Everything is energy and the energy and the consciousness all flow together

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: to create a reality that we experience personally and jointly.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes, the microcosm and the macrocosm.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hmm!

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So as a as a high priest

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and as a a person who has study.

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Rothi Apkallu: Run down the rabbit hole.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Gone down the rabbit hole. Okay, that's what

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: think people seem to struggle with spiritual growth

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: overall. I mean, when you get beyond the religion, part of it. And there's a whole group.

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Rothi Apkallu: A lot of it, I think.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes, the amount of information that's available, and the amount of that that is basically unqualified or unchecked.

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Rothi Apkallu: Chat, Gbt, and whatever makes it even worse, because now you could write a book without knowing anything

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Rothi Apkallu: and publish it, and have thousands of manuscripts to your title, and never having written a word, and

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Rothi Apkallu: even though it is capable of scouring the Internet per se, there's no

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Rothi Apkallu: human element to it, there's no discernment to it, and that again it comes down to what I said in the beginning, discernment and accountability. There's

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Rothi Apkallu: huge levels of deception and manipulation that have been going on in this civilization since the beginning of time.

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Rothi Apkallu: Most people don't realize the Christian Empire deified and vilified the Sumerian Empire.

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Rothi Apkallu: but most people don't realize that the Sumerian Empire is the only civilization, and I've studied damn near all of them. It is the only civilization that has an archetype for a god and a goddess for each of the planetary forces. It is the only civilization that is.

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Rothi Apkallu: and ever was, created in harmony with embracing the masculine and the feminine equally.

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Rothi Apkallu: and I think that's a large contributing factor to why they were deified.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know where to go with that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, but.

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Rothi Apkallu: Dump! The host.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, host. So when you're when you're talking about the Sumerian Empire and the the

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we're talking about the deities of the Sumerian Empire. Is that correct?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, okay. And those were the ones that were deified or.

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Rothi Apkallu: They were demonized, they were vilified by Christianity.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It was a. It was a word problem. I didn't understand.

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Rothi Apkallu: English language is deceptive by nature. That happens a lot.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, it does.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That words have meanings, and I was trying to attach the meaning.

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Rothi Apkallu: Spells. Why do you think they call it spelling? How do you write a spell? Why, in cursive, of course. And that's actually because of the fact that for doing a sigil or doing a powerful invocation, you would connect the letters to give them power.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, and we're not even.

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Rothi Apkallu: Cursive in school anymore.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Most people struggle with writing. We're becoming an illiterate group again.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yeah, chat Gbt is most people's writer.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which brings us to substack and the power of of actual. I I find

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: many of the people over there are thinking people. They're.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes, that is a rarity to find that spectrum of philosophical, intellectual, and seekers even in in one place.

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Rothi Apkallu: It's truly been a blessing in the time that I've been on there. I've made more

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Rothi Apkallu: fantastic connections on there yourself as one of them than any other social media platform I had. I had thousands of people that followed me on Facebook, but I never had any traction from people that actually

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Rothi Apkallu: really understood what I was saying, and

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Rothi Apkallu: I may only have 50 or 51 followers, or whatever, on substack.

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Rothi Apkallu: but they're all interested in what I'm saying, and they're all trying to contribute to what I'm saying that is a very important tool in today's world of

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Rothi Apkallu: distraction.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think so too. They it's just you can.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They're willing to look at things and not have have to have

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: an opinion about it right off the bat

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you could just like it can just be. You could put something out there, and we can all look at it and and have a conversation about it, which is

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: another thing, that society struggles with having, like a back and forth of ideas and and thoughts that don't have to be opinions. They can just be thoughts. Let's look at this thought and see what we think about it.

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Rothi Apkallu: Well, therein lies the problem. A lot of people don't really think.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, don't think about what they think about.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So what can be done to improve one's faith

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and provide better results. And when it comes to the spiritual world.

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Rothi Apkallu: I think a big part of it is being mindful of what you're focusing your attention on. I make it a practice to give gratitude every evening for blessings that I received that day, no matter how small they are, and wake up the next day with

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Rothi Apkallu: gratitude expressed for the things that were given the day before.

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Rothi Apkallu: And

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Rothi Apkallu: there are so many people that I talk to as clients, and whatever that are constantly struggling, and even when things are going well, they're constantly questioning why things are going well, waiting for the shoe to drop and waiting for things to go bad, and it's like no focus on the blessings you have. Focus on the positive things that are going on in your life. The universe is a battery. What we give off is sent back to us to replace the energy

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Rothi Apkallu: very simply.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And how do you feel? I I know that you live out in really close to nature.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And and how do you feel that that helps fuel your life.

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Rothi Apkallu: I think in my case.

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Rothi Apkallu: even more than the connection to nature. It is the solitude and the isolation, because of the fact. I believe that only when you are truly disconnected from everyone else do you truly find yourself.

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Rothi Apkallu: and there are so many people that are in the cities and working their 50, 60 HA week job, and distracting themselves at the bar, or at the club, or whatever when they're done, or whatever, and they have no idea what they're doing. They're just going through the motions of the rat in a cage, and

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Rothi Apkallu: if every person was required to take one week's time to remove themselves completely from the social world, Internet and everything. I think it would completely transform people's potential.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No.

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Rothi Apkallu: Scary.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: For some people.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Other people were like, Yeah, a week alone.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hmm, Hi.

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Rothi Apkallu: You're just thinking of a week away from the Grandkids, and how peaceful it could be.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Well, I love my grandkids, and and I like people, but I'm also very much. It took me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It took me a long time to learn to become an extrovert.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Like being alone, and I like doing projects by myself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're talking about. You're building the the dirt home out there dirtbag home. I.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think that's what it's called and and I was building a camp. I built a camper. I I built that camper mostly by myself. My husband was.

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Rothi Apkallu: It's.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Gone, and it was like it was so nice to just

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: be focused on something like gardening. Is that way for a lot of people, too. You can.

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Rothi Apkallu: Oh, absolutely and very meditative, too.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it's it's for me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Disconnecting is is really just reconnecting in a different way.

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Rothi Apkallu: Exactly disconnecting is granting space and the ability to connect to who and what you truly are.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, and and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: people can find that in meditation sometimes. But meditation can look so many different ways to so many yeah

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: people. It's not.

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Rothi Apkallu: And it can be intimidating for the Western world. It's something that's not really taught or explained. Very well.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it's just like, sit down and hold your hands like this and empty your mind. Most people aren't even aware of all of the thoughts that are happening in their head all of the time, because they never examine what they're thinking about.

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Rothi Apkallu: Exactly

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Rothi Apkallu: one tool for listeners that I find is very helpful for assisting those that are having trouble meditating, put on some instrumental music

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Rothi Apkallu: ideally with noise, cancelling headphones and with earbuds. And if you really, wanna truly experience it, we're blinders or

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Rothi Apkallu: dark sunglasses, or whatever. So your sensory deprivation, so that your eyes aren't perceiving things as well, and the removal of your other senses allows you to connect to your thoughts and your inner senses to a much higher level.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah. And it's not. There's not one way. That's right. It's the way that works for you, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you may want to incorporate breathing into it breathing exercises, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you may just find that it's like that state that's just before you fall asleep. If you are really good at recognizing when you're falling asleep at night, or when you're waking up in the morning. Both of those times are. You're in the theta state that you're

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you're trying to.

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Rothi Apkallu: That as a conscious practice every day, and I'm to the point right now where, when I wake up in the morning, I can stay in a lucid state, and I fully aware of the world around me. But I can continue my dreams, and I can do dream, travel, and do astral projection, and continue carrying on my dream and guiding and directing it even in a fully waking state.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, that's where the magic starts to happen.

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Rothi Apkallu: Exactly. Yes, at that transition zone between the waking and the sleeping, between the conscious and the subconscious.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: as you get better at it. And you practice it and it's really just a matter of being aware it, it it does

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it? It does allow you to do some things that you couldn't.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: that most people don't take the time to do, and.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, and learn to to use your sleep cycle as a different type of

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: living experience. Because it's it really is just a different. It's like day and night it. But you're not dead, and a lot of people think, oh, I'm asleep. I must be dead. Nothing's happening.

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Rothi Apkallu: there are those that believe that the sleeping world is just as real as the waking world from a shamanic perspective and whatever that's very much the case. It's just alternate reality. It's similar to astral projection. But it's not astral projection, because you're consciously choosing what you're doing in astral projection and in dream work. It is the subconscious.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I look at it that way. I I remember my dreams almost every night, especially in the morning, when I'm becoming conscious, is like I'm I'm still

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: aware of what's happening in the other world

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and making a decision to. Okay, I'm gonna go into this world now.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Usually it's because a dog has a nose pressed against me. It's cold.

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Rothi Apkallu: Or in my case, Kitty, cats are jumping on the bed.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, we have. We have dogs and cats, so.

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Rothi Apkallu: I have a dog as well, but the dog is outside, and very happily taking in the sun.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The the cat owns the bed. Except for.

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Rothi Apkallu: Excuse me, you're just borrowing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: In the evening. Well, yeah, she well, even at night she it's her bed, and she lets us sleep on small slivers of it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She. She owns the rest of it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I wanted to ask you about this movie that you're making about the Conscious Dragon.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What what is that going to be about? What's the basis of it? How did.

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Rothi Apkallu: The basis behind it is, I've lived a very interesting life. I have embraced my originality and my uniqueness, and my marching to the beat of my own drum, since, as long as I could remember I was

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Rothi Apkallu: 7 years old picking up Buddhist texts on the path to Shambhala, and the ninjas got to meditation and learning kajikiri and things before I was even a teenager.

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Rothi Apkallu: or at least more than most people can relate to human

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Rothi Apkallu: I believe humanity has far greater potential than most people will ever realize. And it's my journey into exploring and experiencing that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So is it going to be an actual movie about your life? Or is it.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes, it will be autobiographical.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting, interesting. And how long do you think this is? Gonna take to put together.

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Rothi Apkallu: I have no idea. I live in the eternal moment of now.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: stay tuned. You definitely want to be following Rothi over on substack, which you can find as save yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: SAVI, ORSE. lf.substack.com.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and you can also find out more about what he's doing over@sacredsorcery.co dot.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and you do actually help people

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in this in this world. You are a coach of sorts. How does that look? And how do you work with people.

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Rothi Apkallu: I tend to be the go to Guy when people that I know that are shamans and high mages, than whatever get into something that's over their head. As an example, one of the fairly recent experiences I have a Shaman friend of mine that had one of his colleagues that reached out to him because their fiance had drawn out a blood oath and a demonic pact to bind a demon to them.

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Rothi Apkallu: And I'm not sure what anniversary celebration, that is, but I'm pretty sure the next year anniversary should be a divorce.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Just kidding.

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Rothi Apkallu: And so I was talking to them for maybe 45 min, an hour, maybe a little longer, and then went off to do my ritual work in the spirit realms and whatever, and

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Rothi Apkallu: less than 24 h later I received a message from him with a copy of a note that she had sent him, and it was drawn up in blood.

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Rothi Apkallu: stating that he severed all ties and removed all oaths and pacts, and held no more obligations to demonic attachments, or anything like that, and

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Rothi Apkallu: the bottom 3rd of the note was literally pretty much covered in blood. He wanted to make sure that this message was received. And that's typical of my experiences. I typically get results, no matter how obscure or how unconventional the means and methods are, I typically, get results within less than 24 h.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You find it's pretty common for people to be casting spells on one another.

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Rothi Apkallu: It's a lot more common than you realize. It's not an everyday activity, but a lot of it's not even consciously knowing, because of the amount of people that are practicing things like chaos, magic, and things like that. There are

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: let's talk. Let's talk about this for just a minute, because I think a lot more of this sort of thing goes on, both on the cursing and the blessing side than people realize it, even even innocently.

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Rothi Apkallu: A lot of people aren't even aware they're doing it themselves. Yes, even in the spiritual and the occult community, the amount of people that have been properly trained and properly educated in the practices that they are practicing are very, very small numbers.

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Rothi Apkallu: I'm not a fan of Aleister Crowley, but he put it very well when he was speaking about the Order of the Golden Dawn, and he said, most members, the occult societies are just middle aged men that like to play, dress up.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Were a cult, occultish practices on some level, though they would

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: get together ostensibly because they just wanted to hang out and drinking.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But some of the.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It doesn't mean that there wasn't power in what they were doing either.

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Rothi Apkallu: If nothing else. There is power in a collective group united in a common cause, even if they are not practicing formal rituals, and do not know what they are doing. The power of collective consciousness has great power.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: When people sing you happy birthday, and I'm bringing this up because a friend of mine.

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Rothi Apkallu: My birthday is coming off. Saturday.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Figured you might be a Pisces.

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Rothi Apkallu: Of course I'm a Pisces. I'm actually way triple Eccleises.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: most of the people that I connect with on on any level are either Aquarius or Pisces.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't know how that happens. But

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So she she sang me a birthday song.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The song itself is actually a blessing

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it. People are are joining together. They're sending energy out, and they're wishing you happiness.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: wishing somebody something is blessing them

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: with whatever you're blessing them with.

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Rothi Apkallu: As simple as that is magic. Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hers was a lot more elaborate. It was very beautiful, and it was such a great gift, and it can be a song can be a huge gift to somebody.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I am, too, to really bless them with it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know we think about

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you have to like buy something, but you don't have to buy things for people. You can bless them in other ways.

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Rothi Apkallu: You can also curse people.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And and you can do it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: not even thinking about it. Parents do this a lot with their kids.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: need to rethink that cause it's not gonna work out the way you think it's gonna work out.

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Rothi Apkallu: And you're programming that into their reality.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're telling them what they're going to be, and how they're going to be, and.

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Rothi Apkallu: Or what they're not going to be even more so.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And how you perceive them.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's really important that your children learn to scan their environment

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: perceive things in a way that will help them, and will help. If they can be helped to understand how to create the reality that they want in their lives, they will go on to make reality for everyone else. Better.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So that's my my Nana advice for this week.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Rothy. It's been really great chatting with you today. Is there anything else that you would really like to have people know about you and what you're doing.

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Rothi Apkallu: I guess the most important message I have to leave with is

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Rothi Apkallu: magic is neither good nor evil.

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Rothi Apkallu: The angels are neither good nor evil. The demons are neither good nor evil. When you're practicing the ritual arts and you're doing it properly, you're commanding them to submit to you.

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Rothi Apkallu: Greek gods. The the true images of angels are terrifying creatures, but you have to go before the 13th century to get any images of them that were actually taken from the Bible, because in the 14th century they removed

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Rothi Apkallu: any. They removed 37 chapters from the Bible.

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Rothi Apkallu: I have all 37 chapters, and a few that weren't included, but they carefully reorganize things and

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Rothi Apkallu: conveniently. That was right before the witch trials and everything like that. And you know

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the way that we have the Bible in English, and I'm going to say in English, because it depends on which language you have it translated into what it means

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it it it is almost meaningless at this point.

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Rothi Apkallu: And there are a lot of verses that a lot of people do not read and do not recognize and do not know. The Bible is not all love and light. There are half a dozen verses that are God, commanding the

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Rothi Apkallu: literally consume the flesh of their children to literally cannibalize and eat their babies, and we don't think about it. Now.

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Rothi Apkallu: what's that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: He's the author of good and evil.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yes, yes, we don't think about it now. But

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Rothi Apkallu: communion, which practically every Chris, devout Christian or Abrahamic faith person does

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Rothi Apkallu: is ritual sacrifice. It is cannibalism and vampirism. You are being told that you are drinking the blood and consuming the flesh of your Savior.

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Rothi Apkallu: What part of this is not evil?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or gross.

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Rothi Apkallu: And pretty disgusting. Yeah, I I practiced the dark arts by most people's standards, and I don't do blood sacrifice. I don't drink blood.

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Rothi Apkallu: The Christians do in ceremony once a month.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah. Some of them do it every day.

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Rothi Apkallu: Some of them do it every day. Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And sex magic and all kinds of other things that people don't really like to think about.

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Rothi Apkallu: Yeah, we won't go down that rabbit hole on the various different cults and

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Rothi Apkallu: non-organized organized religions like the Mormons, and whatever else that have some weird practices, but

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Rothi Apkallu: we don't have enough time on this entire show for

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Rothi Apkallu: even beginning to go down that rabbit hole.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No, I hear you.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I really appreciate you joining me today, Rathi, and for those of you who are listening to learn more about what Rothi's doing, and to learn more about integrating spirituality, psychology, arcane knowledge to help you break free from hidden challenges and unseen enemies. Please visit him over on. Save yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: SAVI OR self.substack.com, and we'll be sure to put those links in the show notes below and thank you for tuning in with us today. If you have a podcast or are interested in starting one to get your message in front of our huge and active audience.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: be sure to reach out to us at jill@gnostictv.com. We love to help spiritual entrepreneurs and coaches amplify their voice and monetize their mission and offer a variety of ways to do this on the Gnostic TV network platform, join us for our next episode, as we share what others are doing to raise the global frequency. And remember, change begins with you. You have all the power to change the world, start today and get visible.

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Rothi Apkallu: It's been a pleasure or don'.