1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,000 Welcome to podcast answers, the show where I help you start and grow your podcast answering any podcast questions along the way. That's right guys. I love to answer your podcast questions and today is no different. Last week we talked about 2 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:44,000 should you put your podcast episode on YouTube and if you don't remember go back and listen to that one. That's a good one. And this is kind of a continuation of that because we are talking about video this episode and how to do a video podcast and whether that looks 3 00:00:44,000 --> 00:01:04,000 traditional, non-traditional, what that really means to have a video podcast. So today's episode we are talking with the infamous doc rock. Doc is the community manager at E cam. And so without further ado, let's get into that interview with doc. 4 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Welcome to the show. Doc rock. I have got doc rock with me today. Welcome to the show. 5 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:33,000 Hey, what's happening? Hey, not much. Well, you know, I we've known each other, I guess virtually, you know, you're in Hawaii. I'm in Indiana. It's a little bit colder here than it is there. But we've known each other through, you know, a little bit through E cam. I've done. This is my, this will be my third year doing having an E cam account and doing E cam with my podcast and doing video with my podcast. 6 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:58,000 And so I pretty much as soon as I started, I got deep in the weeds and started, you know, answering people's questions and things like that on the forums because that's how I am. I'm helpful. Right. And so, but so we've had a lot of conversation back and forth and stuff. So I wanted to bring you on though, because you are the community manager at at E cam. And so I wanted to talk a little bit today about about E cam and how we can use E cam to do video podcasts. 7 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:11,000 So welcome to show. Hey, happy to be here. And you've been a huge help to people in the community. So, you know, just make it easier. 8 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:32,000 Yeah, you know, that's my goal. I try to be helpful to people. I have a help desk background. You know, I work in IT and at one point in my life, I didn't help desk. So I like helping people and sharing knowledge. So I try to always beat Daniel to the punch when he's when he's putting things in there because he he's usually first and I try to beat him a lot of times. 9 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:45,000 So to Daniel is at a level of quick that is that is really hard to fathom. Oh my God, he is the best. He is the best. It's kind of funny. 10 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:58,000 So, you know, I had to ask you a question. You posted a blog post about should you put your podcast on YouTube? And why does the dude look like Paul? 11 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:08,000 Listen, I asked a I to generate that that was a that was a canva canva generated AI and apparently it just looks like Paul. 12 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:19,000 It's just so good. That is super, super good. And I don't know if you notice, I don't know if you talked to Todd or not, but I know Todd from Hawaii from way back when podcasting first started. 13 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:34,000 Yeah, when when he was doing something called 8/4 radio back here, like we were all running pirate radio stations out of our houses, you know, it was like before squad cast, not squad cast, not the right name for it. 14 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Oh, God, what was it called? Something cast, but it started out with ice cast. You had to hand code this stuff. Oh, yeah. 15 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:51,000 So we went out of the radio stations and then we got the real player type situations or whatever. So I remember when he first came up with blueberry and, you know, as you know, they're huge now. 16 00:03:51,000 --> 00:04:04,000 But yeah, I know Paul, I know Todd from way way back in the day. We used to do our meetings in Alamo on a beach park because, you know, there was no no place to do cool meetings. 17 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Well, can you tell us a little bit about just what is he cam to begin with? Let's start with that. 18 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Well, it's funny, he started out as a live streaming platform. And to this day, I think a lot of people just instantly go there because it's still called the camp live. 19 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:29,000 I purposely try to shave the word live off the conversation because it's far more than that. Right. 20 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Oh, right. 21 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:45,000 If you want to take any live streaming software and just don't press live, which we're really dealing with is a video production suite, whether using us or OBS or, you know, vMix or any of the tools that are out there. 22 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,000 You don't have to go live. You can just press record. 23 00:04:49,000 --> 00:05:04,000 But because it's designed for live stream, you automatically have the Chiron, a, a, a Genlock, a, k, a putting text on the screen. So like an ESPN, when it says Dallas loses Green Bay people go nuts. 24 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,000 I'm sorry, I love that. 25 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:18,000 That is a, is a Chiron, they would call it, where you put a graphic on the screen. So you have all that stuff sort of built in. You have the ability to have a guest like we're doing today. 26 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,000 Sure. 27 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:31,000 Similar to what you would do in a regular video production suite. And you just record all these things and you record them in the manner where you've covered a large portion of the edits because you're going from the different scenes. 28 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:48,000 You're switching cameras. You're bringing on the graphics. You're bringing on comments from people in the live stream. And so yeah, at the end of the day, if you take a live streaming software and don't go live, you end up with basically a video recording production facility. 29 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,000 And that's what he can miss. 30 00:05:50,000 --> 00:06:00,000 Yeah. And that's what I've loved about it. You know, from, from the very beginning when I started, well, I've, I've done podcasting since 2007. So I'm like an old school. I guess I'm old school, right? 31 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,000 Yes. 32 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:18,000 But on and off. But when I started my latest podcast, not this one, but a different one that I'm doing dudes and dads, I decided, hey, let's just also throw it up on YouTube. And at that point I was using OBS. And OBS is just so like, it's so complicated, right? I mean, it's free, but it's complicated. 33 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:28,000 There's so many different settings in there. And, and there's no support. And so when I ran across E cam, I think I remember the first time I ran across E cam, I looked at it and went, whoa, there's a lot going on here, right? 34 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:37,000 You know, if you've ever seen any cam, there's windows everywhere. But then I came back to it. And one of the things that I really loved about it is just how simple it actually was. 35 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:44,000 And there's, you pick your stream size and you're, and you're good to go. And so that's what I loved about it. 36 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:57,000 Well, you know, it's funny you say that because in the same token, I did a similar thing. So I was coming from Wirecast. And I was working for a while at the time. And that's just what we used to do all of our streams. 37 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:08,000 They were closing down the unofficial Apple web log aka to you or to us, people used to call it. And they wanted us all to go to engadget. And we all quit the same day because none of us wanted to go work in a gadget. 38 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:20,000 At that time, engadget was very PC focused and we just felt like we were going to get buried. So really weird. And I had no idea they screwed up. They were missed it by like three months. 39 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Them closing the unofficial Apple web log and Apple turning into what Apple is today was probably about three to four month gap. And I think we closed the right around iPhone six iPhone six. 40 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:54,000 S I believe is the largest selling iPhone ever. If I remember correctly. So they they mucked up. They didn't realize it. But like all the things that made Apple Apple just blew up. And I think for them, it was like, oh, we're losing Steve. So there's no recovery. 41 00:07:54,000 --> 00:08:00,000 And so this is going to lose, you know, add dollars or whatever. So unfortunately, they closed it way too quick. 42 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:13,000 But I lost my access to Wirecast. I looked at it. I'm not paying them 900 bucks for this thing. And so I found OBS. I did it for about two years, hated every second of it. 43 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:24,000 But I remember looking at Ecamp back then in like 2017, it was like, there's no way this $40 thing can do with $900 of Wirecast can do. 44 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:33,000 And I was like, it must be too simple. And I'm just going to ignore it. And it turned out like, oh, you stupid is way better. 45 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:44,000 So yeah, that's kind of funny. Definitely, definitely. Mr. Cameron, junkie says, Hi, everybody. So that's and here's I'm demonstrating a little bit what what you can do. 46 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:52,000 If you've not seen it, you can bring up comments on it. So start to interrupt you, Doc. But there's yeah, there's comments that you can bring up on screen from people watching live. 47 00:08:52,000 --> 00:09:11,000 So that's that's one of the one of the cool things that I really enjoy about it. But yeah, it's just really, really good. So yeah, I mean, I just I fell in love with the simplicity, but I fell in love also with the approachability because I was going to be having when the panini hit, I was going to be having a teacher, a bunch of DJs, how to do this. 48 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,000 So these guys can can really work well with music. They know nothing about computers. 49 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Right. 50 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:27,000 So so so yeah, so you had mentioned, you know, you can record, you can go live on it. And one of the things that I really liked about it is the fact that you can go live multi streaming. 51 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:38,000 You know, when I first started with Ecamm, you could only go to one destination and I had this desire to go obviously to multiple places and then 4.0 came out and we could do multi streaming. 52 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:45,000 And that so that took it to another level again. I'm not having to pay for restream to do that. And now again, it works differently. You got to have the bandwidth for it. 53 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:52,000 And that's what some people don't understand. But if you've got the bandwidth for it, you can go it up to what 10 destinations on it on that. 54 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:56,000 And so yeah, yeah, you can you can go. 55 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Is there a limit? 56 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:09,000 It's really based off of the bandwidth, but most people cap out at around 10. So you can bring in 10 guests, plus yourself to make 11. 57 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Theoretically, you can put as many destinations as you want, but most of them will cap out. The cool thing is in the preferences, it actually tell you where you're going to hit a brick wall. 58 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Sure. 59 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:32,000 So if I set my stream to say like 540, it would tell me that like if I hit all 10 destinations, I only need 21 megabits per second. 60 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:37,000 So in theory, based off my connection, I could do 10, 1080 streams. 61 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Sure. 62 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:55,000 Because I need to have 60 megabits per second up in order to go to 10, 1080 streams. If I wanted to do 10 4K streams, I needed 125 megabits per second, which I technically my signal can handle that too. 63 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,000 But I don't trust it. 64 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:57,000 Yeah. 65 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,000 I would never do that. 66 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,000 Yeah. 67 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:07,000 So, you know, when we talk about podcasting in general, there's old curmudgens. 68 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:16,000 I'll just throw Todd under the bus here because you mentioned him. So, I mean, he's one of the persons that says you don't have an RSS feed. It's not a podcast. And I know how you feel about this. 69 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:23,000 As long as you're doing a show, you're doing a show. It's really a show. I mean, podcast, yes, technically has RSS feed to do it. 70 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:31,000 But, and video podcasting has been around since the beginning. We've been able to do that. You know, Apple supported it with Apple Podcasts, or I, you know, at the time. 71 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:39,000 But the host, it's hard because I know the hosts were able to not, I can't say none of them. There are hosts that that allow you to do video. 72 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:45,000 But what you get with video is tough because you don't get a whole lot of space because it costs them a lot of bandwidth to do this. 73 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:55,000 And this is where YouTube has come along and made it great because we can host a show there for MSA free. I mean, obviously we give them, you know, they'll run ads across it and whatever. 74 00:11:55,000 --> 00:12:06,000 But as far as the hosting cost goes, I'm not paying YouTube anything to host my show. So I think that there's a hang up there when we say podcast versus just show. 75 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 I think people just need to start saying show, right? 76 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:15,000 I can't, you know what? I'm going to straight up agree with you. But here's the thing. We're going to call it podcast because it's a portable show. 77 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Okay. 78 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,000 That's really all the podcast ever was in the beginning. 79 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,000 Sure. 80 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:26,000 Now the RSS fee thing is in the same ballpark as manual transmission. 81 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:38,000 We grew up at a time where your ability to be a driver consisted of your ability to drive stick or manual transmission. 82 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:43,000 Some people know that depends on where you're listening from. Some people know the stick. Some people know it as manual transmission. 83 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Even gangster grandma like Gretchen to this day says you will never take that stick out of my hands. 84 00:12:51,000 --> 00:13:01,000 For about the last 10 years, there is no human that can outshift any of the computers on any of the cars out there. 85 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:16,000 So a Porsche 911 T, which is the only one that comes with a stick is actually almost a whole second slower than the same Porsche 911 Carrera without the T. 86 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:22,000 And the T is the only one that you can buy with the manual transmission. 87 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:34,000 But there are people who will mostly buy the T because it's cheaper. They will never say that. They'll buy the T because they say, well, it's the manual transmission and I know how to drive a stick. 88 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Fuller senseless for you to drive a stick when you cannot outperform the computer that's going to do the dual clutch automatic transmission that's built into everything's out there. 89 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,000 For BMW, we call it tiptonic. You know, same thing. 90 00:13:50,000 --> 00:14:01,000 There was some amount of I'll use my cheese mo because do some be listening, but there's a certain amount of badge of honor that Ram would have it in RSS feed. 91 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:08,000 The only reason why everybody wants an RSS feed. Let's be dead honest and people are gonna get pissed at me. I don't care. 92 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:17,000 I give you my email address. I'm on X is because you like to know that you get 4000 downloads a show. 93 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:25,000 4000 downloads a show. Probably 10% of downloads actually watch the episodes. 94 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Sure. 95 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,000 But you sell commercials based off your downloads. 96 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,000 Sure. 97 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:40,000 You yourself have your phone right now things that automatically download at your as a listen to one of them shows in over a year. 98 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Right. 99 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:44,000 But the downloads still happening. That's what the RSC feed is for. 100 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,000 Podcasts has not beat television yet. 101 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,000 And television doesn't have any automatic downloads. What happens is when law and order is good. 102 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:00,000 It's Thursdays at nine o'clock. Everybody in the house shut up. 103 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Kids go to bed. 104 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,000 Doors locked. 105 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,000 Phone switched to do not disturb. 106 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:11,000 Dung, Dung. We're there and we do not move 28 years running. 107 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Yeah. 108 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Because that's the show. Right. 109 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,000 That show been on long since Jesus walked the Nazareth that show been on. 110 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:20,000 It has. 111 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,000 Yeah. 112 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:28,000 And you if your content is dope. You don't need a RSS feed. People will come for it. 113 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,000 What you're trying to do is make it look like your content is dope without being dope. 114 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000 And that's why the RSS people out here is scared. 115 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Yeah. 116 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:41,000 I'm a little bit of the both camps because I like being able to have it in the podcast apps. 117 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Right. 118 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,000 Where you know, obviously I said most of the time for the flow. 119 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000 So you're on the flow. 120 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:52,000 The flow is a podcast that talks all about the flow of creating shows with Ecam. 121 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:57,000 And most of the time I watch that, you know, in the background or I have it on or whatever. 122 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,000 I, you guys do do an RSS feed with captivate, which I hope is host on captivate. 123 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,000 Also, I love captivate, but love captivate. 124 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,000 But most of the time, if I'm honest, I, I come for the live show. 125 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,000 And that's what I, for me, that's what sells it for me. 126 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 And that's what, why I do a live show too. 127 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,000 You know, I, I have the, the download and I have it in Apple podcasts and I have it everywhere. 128 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000 Right. 129 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 But I like doing the live show. 130 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:25,000 And what I, because what I found is the interaction that you get there is the same interaction 131 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,000 that podcasters have been craving forever. 132 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:31,000 And this is the reason, you know, even Todd has said this, like when he was in Hawaii doing his show, 133 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,000 the reason he did a live show is because that allowed him to get interaction. 134 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,000 He didn't want to be talking just by himself. 135 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Right. 136 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,000 And so that's, that's one of the things that I love about Ecam is, you know, people are watching, 137 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,000 you can see them comment, like I brought up that comment earlier. 138 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:51,000 You can make that part of your show and kind of have a call in show, if you will. 139 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:56,000 You know, my original show back in 2007, I used a service called talk shoe. 140 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000 I don't know if you know that service. 141 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Man, every Sunday talk shoe, but we love talk shoe. 142 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:04,000 We miss it. 143 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,000 We kind of talk about having a talk shoe reunion talk shoe. 144 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,000 Like, yo, record. 145 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:12,000 Oh my God, I love that app so much. 146 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000 But it was terrible. 147 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000 The audio quality was terrible. 148 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000 It was horrible. 149 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Call in on a phone. 150 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:27,000 You, we built entire friendships, friends that I have to this very day that I got hired at TUAW as a, 151 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:34,000 started as just being a person in the audience on talk shoe and then always commenting in the little side thing to being, 152 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:39,000 you know, a talk shoe guest to, you know, just always coming up with good questions. 153 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000 And they were like, yo, we need to hire this guy. 154 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000 That's how I got hired. 155 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000 Yeah. 156 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,000 Man, that's crazy. 157 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:48,000 That's, that's, that's how I started, how I started doing it. 158 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,000 In fact, it was funny because I started, I started it because I wanted to do, 159 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,000 I was doing it on a, on a something called geocaching. 160 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,000 I don't know if you're familiar with that at all. 161 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,000 I remember geocaching. 162 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 I still love geocaching to this day. 163 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,000 I was doing a show on that. 164 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,000 And the reason I wanted to start one, there was other podcast about it, 165 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,000 but because I wanted to do a live element on it. 166 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:08,000 And that's what talks you had allowed me to do. 167 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,000 And that's what Ecamm has allowed me to do now. 168 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,000 I mean, people, I don't necessarily have people calling in. 169 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,000 I don't give them, you know, my guest link in case, you know, 170 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,000 I don't want them just showing up on my, on video. 171 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Like, you know, I wear those like I did for you that one time, but, 172 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,000 that's what happens when I know your link. 173 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:30,000 But, but, but it allows you to do similar things with the comments, right? 174 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:35,000 You know, people can, can put in their comments and, and be part of the show. 175 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,000 Yeah. 176 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,000 And it feels good. 177 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:40,000 I mean, I just, something about, you know, we, 178 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,000 why we say chicken skin, but, you know, goosebumps, whatever, 179 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,000 you just mentioned in talks, you just mean goosebumps. 180 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Cause I met literally some of my closest friends in tech. 181 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,000 I met because of that. 182 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:59,000 And I mean, every Sunday we had a conversation and it would be, 183 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,000 it always started about something tech. 184 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000 I mean, one of the, the biggest people in tech for a minute was Christina Warren 185 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:08,000 and, and a film girl on, on, on the Twitter. 186 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,000 I met Christina through that. 187 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Mike Rose, who became my boss at TWAW, like it was such a great experience. 188 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:16,000 And so you're right. 189 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,000 That interactivity is where it matters. 190 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:23,000 And I think every time technology goes through one of these ebbs. 191 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:27,000 And I literally, as I was finishing up my live stream to run over here, 192 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:33,000 I had to cut off a conversation because being a DJ coming from the music background, 193 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,000 I remember when Mitty came out. 194 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,000 I remember all of the OG musicians like, I don't want to do Mitty. 195 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000 I'm not in the synthesizers, whatever. 196 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,000 And while they're talking all of that smack, 197 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,000 Stevie Wonder dropped songs in the key of life completely with a move. 198 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Parliament Funkadelic synthesized everything. 199 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:55,000 Herbie Hancock all over the building, you know, like, 200 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,000 so all of the best guys that we remember from the 80s, 201 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:03,000 the guys with the most Grammys and Prince, like all these guys, 202 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,000 they all went synthesizer. 203 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,000 And yet guys in my neighborhood was like, no, I played my instruments for real. 204 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,000 I don't want to do fake instruments, blah, blah. 205 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,000 And I'm like, do you hear you? 206 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:17,000 What you're doing is making an excuse for not wanting to buy at that time 207 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:23,000 a $500 keyboard, but you know, $500 in 1980 is about five grand today. 208 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,000 Right. 209 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:31,000 You know, so even when I bought my first Atari ST4 to do Mitty, 210 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:36,000 like that was every paper route, every car wash, 211 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:40,000 every leave raking or, you know, branch cutting, 212 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000 cutting cords of wood in people's backyard for their stoves. 213 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:47,000 I was just trying to get the money to get that equipment. 214 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 I got the equipment, got my first little synthesizer, 215 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,000 and I started from there and that led me into DJing and look, here I am now. 216 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000 Like I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that, 217 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,000 but I saw the writing on the wall then. 218 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:03,000 And to this day where people are missing when it comes to this podcast stuff, 219 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,000 is the words are going to change and you can fight it because you like what it used to be. 220 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:12,000 You could even fight my buddy at Libsyn still thinks that it's audio only. 221 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:13,000 Video doesn't matter. 222 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,000 And I'm like, okay, player, you do you. 223 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Like I love you, Rob. 224 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,000 You're the man. 225 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,000 You happen to run one of my favorite companies because that's how I did my podcast back in the day. 226 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:27,000 But you're crazy because people love video. 227 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,000 I used to use Libsyn too. 228 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 So yeah, 100% you know, is what it is. 229 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:36,000 So more and more people are video and I fully understand when it's time to move the cheese. 230 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,000 Old school book who moved my cheese is worth reading. 231 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:42,000 You got to be, you got to be gumby. 232 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,000 I tell all you guys that you got to be gumby. 233 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,000 Like even all this AI stuff as we know it right now, this is a joke. 234 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000 This is the beginning. 235 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000 This is the worst it will ever be. 236 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Exactly. 237 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:58,000 And we have, it generates people with weird finger finger positions, but it'll get better. 238 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,000 But 100% but yeah. 239 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,000 And I think that that's, that's important to remember. 240 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,000 You know, I'm flexible. 241 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Like I, I'm an old school podcast guy and I have to admit, you know, when you first said 242 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:13,000 that on the last or whatever it was flow that you guys are talking about RSS and YouTube, 243 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000 it got my skin crawling a little bit. 244 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:19,000 I have to admit, but I also was thinking it really is just a show. 245 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,000 It is a show. 246 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,000 I do like RSS because it allows me to easily distribute it. 247 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,000 But at the same time, I'm not going to complain if I have to upload a video to YouTube or, 248 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:34,000 you know, go to Spotify and click upload because it allows people to watch where they want to 249 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,000 watch and, and there's a video, a video element of it. 250 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 And, and that's okay. 251 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000 And people may not like it. 252 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 That's why I offer audio too. 253 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:47,000 You know, I offer audio because again, you can, it's easier to, especially when I'm driving, 254 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:52,000 I should probably shouldn't be watching YouTube videos, but, but, but it, but it allows you 255 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:57,000 to watch and make that choice that, you know, you can watch two, two dudes, you know, head, 256 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,000 talking head things, but I could also listen to it too. 257 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,000 Here's that. 258 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,000 Here's a cool thing. 259 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Remember when you posted on YouTube, somewhere in your description, put the hashtag, listenable 260 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:16,000 in your YouTube things at the bottom, put listenable on everyone's television. 261 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:22,000 And you might not even have paid attention to it, but on the television, when you go to 262 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:29,000 the YouTube app at the top, there's like trending news, whatever your favorite stuff you watch 263 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:36,000 LaMonde says, Manchester United, Apple gadgets, camera, food, one of the tabs that's up there 264 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:45,000 says, listenable because they know full well, you're about to vacuum or go into kitchen or, 265 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:51,000 you know, yell at them kids, do some homework or everybody left the house. 266 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,000 I won't admit, I don't like being at home by myself because, you know, Michael Myers movies 267 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000 and whatnot. 268 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:04,000 So I put people on the TV and before what we did was we turned on mindless, useless TV 269 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000 programming. 270 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,000 And for a lot of dudes, it was play sports center because it was the same thing over and over 271 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,000 again, but it's just in the background to keep you company. 272 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Right. 273 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,000 And other people, they're not in the sports, they would play to CNN loop or the Fox News 274 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:22,000 loop or whatever, you know, you put it on your favorite cable station, you know, for 275 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,000 the mother-in-law, it was food network. 276 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,000 Right. 277 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,000 She just had Paula Deen and Rachel and all her friends just talking to her. 278 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 She's never looking at the TV. 279 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,000 They're just keeping her company because she don't like be home by herself. 280 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,000 She comes from a family of 15 kids. 281 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 She's not used to being at home by herself. 282 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Right. 283 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,000 So a lot of people do that. 284 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:50,000 So this is why you want to be on YouTube because your TV doesn't have a podcast app people, 285 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 but every TV you go to right now, unless you still got the old Sony, Grand Vega, click, 286 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,000 click, click, change the knobs, every TV you have, if you look at the remote, there's 287 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,000 a YouTube button. 288 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,000 Yep. 289 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000 During the next two weeks, more TVs will get sold in the United States in any other time 290 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:14,160 in the year as people prep for a Super Bowl. 291 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:18,360 And all of them come on YouTube, but all of them are brand new opportunities. 292 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:22,600 And so I do understand the syndication and I love it. 293 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,000 I've been using it since we had to hand code them suckers and you had to use feed burner 294 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,000 to check it. 295 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,000 Oh yeah. 296 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,400 But I'm going to tell you, it doesn't matter anymore. 297 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,680 No matter what we think in a matter of feelings, it doesn't matter anymore because your family 298 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,960 members outside of you don't know what the hell an RSS is. 299 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,640 If you asked them what's RSS, they'd be like, what? 300 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,240 They have no freaking clue. 301 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,400 Do they use podcast app? 302 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Yeah, but they don't know what an RSS is. 303 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,960 Do you subscribe to what podcast do you subscribe to? 304 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,240 I don't subscribe to podcast, I just listen to them. 305 00:25:53,240 --> 00:26:00,000 When they open the phone, the phone knows you last listened to crime junkies or cereal 306 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 or song exploder. 307 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,720 And so it just shows up on the front page. 308 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,320 So you press play to listen to the last episode. 309 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,000 They're not actually subscribed either. 310 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Right? 311 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,280 The tech space, we know better. 312 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:13,600 The nerds, yes. 313 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,280 Die hard podcast listeners. 314 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,280 Yes. 315 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:24,520 The general population, 95% of the people you need to hear your show have no freaking clue 316 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,400 what an RSS feed is. 317 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,800 And so YouTube coming into this party is the reality. 318 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:37,880 And I remember these thoughts when the iMac came and we're like, we're going to make 319 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,200 the Mac accessible to everyone. 320 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,120 Us diehards were like, oh, hell no. 321 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,560 Just OS 10, this is too easy. 322 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:54,640 OS 9, 7.5, OS 8, OS 6, you had to still kind of know something about computing. 323 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:55,880 Right. 324 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,640 And we were kicking and screaming. 325 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:03,160 All of us palm trio people when the iPhone came out, it's like, that's just a toy. 326 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,680 You know, I can do more stuff from a palm tree. 327 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,720 I got a real keyboard, Blackberry for the win. 328 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,280 All of that crap talking. 329 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,560 You guys all remember that. 330 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,880 You was there. 331 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:14,240 But now everybody act like they forget. 332 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,400 Everybody moved to short term memory. 333 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,040 I'm never going to get a smartphone. 334 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,440 I just need to make phone calls. 335 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:26,000 I know everybody looking at the main one like this neck down 24/7, especially when it's 336 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,720 just you and your bring butter law, you'll be down here. 337 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:29,720 Yeah. 338 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:30,720 Look, come on. 339 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,440 All those feelings are nice. 340 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,440 They're not real. 341 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:34,440 So let them go. 342 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,440 Sure. 343 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,440 You'll be better off if you let them go. 344 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:43,480 So obviously you do a weekly show on Friday basically going through EKM and how to set 345 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,600 it up and ask, you know, taking people's questions. 346 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,400 So I'm not going to ask you to do that full show here, obviously. 347 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:55,960 But can you give us a little bit of an overview as far as what some of the things that you 348 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,160 can do with EKM instead of, you know, just obviously broadcasting. 349 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,800 But what are what was your selling points? 350 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,840 If you were to say, Hey, yo, you should use EKM. 351 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,840 What are your selling points for EKM? 352 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:17,440 At this point in time, I would buy EKM just as a communication tools for my newsletter. 353 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:23,360 Like I would be able to record my newsletter updates for my people. 354 00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:29,120 If I run any type of software, whether I wrote it myself or I use it as a service and I need 355 00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,560 to do training videos, I use it for that. 356 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:40,960 I use it for broadcast into my community, whether that's a faith community or the PTA, 357 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,640 like my one of my best friends, he's the head of the PTA. 358 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,400 And he was like, man, like I'm going to show up in zoom. 359 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,760 And it's hard for me to keep these people focused because they want to be somewhere else. 360 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,840 And I'm like, well, the first thing you need to do is stop coming in with your MacBook 361 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,000 camera. 362 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,320 And he's like, why? 363 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,160 And then I'm like, dude, you have, you know, Sony a seven four and all that stuff because 364 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,640 you know, he's a photographer. 365 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,520 Well, photographer hobbyist. 366 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:13,680 And I'm like, how you show up in zoom is your modern day business suit. 367 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,000 Right. 368 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,280 I wouldn't go to an important meeting before without a flex, you know, a loha shirt is 369 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,640 crispy, you know, I got my nice slacks on rolling with my kicks, my brogans as we used 370 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,880 to say, or, you know, your Sunday go to meeting clothes, you know, got your little tie, your 371 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,440 little shirt, your jacket grandma would not let us go to church without a blazer. 372 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:35,280 150 million degrees sitting up in there, but you got to wear the blazer because it's 373 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,280 church. 374 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,040 I'm like, Jesus, don't care how you dress. 375 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680 You know, but I was like, yo, he wear a robe. 376 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:44,080 Why I got to wear a suit. 377 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,080 Exactly. 378 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,080 Don't ask grandma stupid questions. 379 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,640 Anyway, that's this is us showing up in zoom. 380 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:58,400 And I had a huge revelation when the panini was happening and Dr. Rachel used to come 381 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:04,240 on from the CDC to give us all of the most current updates and she be using zoom with 382 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,680 a jacked up background, that blurry potato cam from her Lenovo and her head cat and 383 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:16,320 kept disappearing in the middle of the conversation because of that virtual background thing. 384 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,880 And I'm like, this lady is one of the top five smartest females in the entire planet. 385 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:28,080 It's already tough for, for dudes to listen to a woman of power, explain them things. 386 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,800 You're making it worse by showing up looking like a turd on potato camera. 387 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,880 I'm like, I know you're a scientist and you don't think it matters, but people have a 388 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:42,660 hard time understanding how important what you're saying is because you just keep disappearing 389 00:30:42,660 --> 00:30:45,160 in the middle of a conversation. 390 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,680 And so when I explained that to him and I showed him some of those clips and he's okay, 391 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,680 I get it. 392 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,040 And then I showed him what he looks like after we set it up, like even just the whole PTA 393 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,860 meetings and whatnot, you know, coming in, in zoom looking good. 394 00:31:00,860 --> 00:31:06,840 So looking good in zoom teams, Cisco, WebEx, whatever you use, being able to read. 395 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:13,360 To record videos for training, being able to do your social media content for your business. 396 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,200 All of the above things are there and they're super easy to do in the E-cam. 397 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:24,760 And one of the ones that I use it a lot for, which doesn't get talked about, I use it to 398 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,120 video journal. 399 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:33,520 So I sit down, I record myself talking to myself because my mentor is me and I need to keep 400 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,000 my foot in my own butt. 401 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Anyone else is going to motivate you and if you don't believe in you, who else should? 402 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,840 So I record what my thought process is for the week, what I'm working on, what I want 403 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,760 to get better at. 404 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,760 And I go back and listen to them a couple months later to check my progress. 405 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:59,720 And so that's my way of, A, keeping my ability to talk ex-paraniously, being an ex-radio 406 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,480 DJ, I don't want that skill to go away. 407 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,520 It also helps me just sort of focus on my personal growth. 408 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,440 And so I use it for that too. 409 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,440 Yeah. 410 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,680 And one of the things that I like about it, and you've said it earlier, is the fact you 411 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,240 can really just build everything out. 412 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,080 So you build it like a show, you have your scenes set up. 413 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,280 So I may have a scene that's just me and I may have, like this scene is me and you as 414 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:23,280 the guest. 415 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:28,680 And I like the fact that E-cam with the professional version, you can bring in guests. 416 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,560 So you can just have people go in easily, bring people on easily to your show. 417 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,400 You can do all sorts of stuff, share your screen, whatever. 418 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:44,720 And what you said earlier, with it, just kind of having it there, hitting record and stopping 419 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,040 when you're done and being done. 420 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,840 I mean, that's the one of the ways that I do my podcasts too. 421 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,480 I've never done really any editing. 422 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,520 For me, it's just hit record, do the thing, stop it. 423 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,760 I run it through a few things in Adobe edition, but I don't do any really heavy editing. 424 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,800 And so that's one of the things that I really loved about E-cam is that I could do my show 425 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,080 and as soon as I was done, I had the video file. 426 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:14,560 I didn't need to throw it in Premiere or After Effects or whatever. 427 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,800 And you're basically done. 428 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,800 Yeah, you're done. 429 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,800 You just post it. 430 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:19,400 Or if you're wrong live, you don't even need to post it. 431 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:20,400 It's already posted. 432 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,400 Right? 433 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,080 And Alec, our friend Alec, that's what he does. 434 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,880 He says, "Take One Tech" is the idea about he's doing these training videos and he just 435 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,960 hits record, does them all and then he's done. 436 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,160 And so that, yeah, that's what they say. 437 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:44,160 I have a reel that I'm going to post directly after this, speaking of the simplicity of getting 438 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,080 all of the heavy tech stuff out of the way. 439 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,840 Because although I have all of this, I have all of this because my family owned an electronic 440 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:51,840 store. 441 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,820 There's no videographer and sound engineer for multiple decades, but you don't need all 442 00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:57,820 of this. 443 00:33:57,820 --> 00:34:01,640 Seriously, with the phone and literally that's it. 444 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,640 You're good to go. 445 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,560 Adding a mic just makes it better. 446 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,880 With a phone and a mic, you can do your podcast and just get it out there. 447 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:14,400 And more people will love your pure authenticity of you just showing up as you than all of 448 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,960 the guys showing up like me with the full studio and all of that. 449 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Because it's like, of course, he knows what he's talking about. 450 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,080 He has all of that stuff, but he doesn't understand the struggle back down here. 451 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,080 Yeah, dude. 452 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,000 But it's harder to let people understand you, understand where they're coming from. 453 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,080 If you're coming from trying to be perfect and if you start out perfect, where do you 454 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:34,080 go? 455 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,080 Exactly. 456 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,680 You don't have any room for mistakes because you told everybody he was going to give them 457 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,920 a solid show. 458 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,720 You got to be willing to just ride dirty. 459 00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:48,280 More people care about the folks that will ride dirty with them than you coming out acting 460 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:53,320 like you're some kind of like Uber guru and you're just not like you're fallible. 461 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,760 There is no perfect. 462 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000 The only perfect is the maker and you ain't it. 463 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,840 So let that part go and tell your story because somebody needs to hear what you got to say. 464 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,840 Exactly. 465 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,840 Like legit. 466 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,360 And the nice thing about going live too is you get over that whole like, well, I can't, 467 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,360 I got to stop and record. 468 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,360 You know, I messed something up. 469 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,880 I got to start over because, you know, for me, that's what I found helped me help me 470 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,360 do my show in a better way is just going live because you're live and if people are watching, 471 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,240 then that's great and they're going to see your mistakes, but that's okay. 472 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,720 And so you get over that whole fear of being in front of the camera and, you know, I've 473 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:34,040 always, it's the same thing as every time I did recorded interviews, you know, on with 474 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,480 an actual physical, you know, video recorder, I always turned the recording light off because 475 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,320 people got super nervous about when they saw that red light blinking in front of them, 476 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,560 they would shut up or they would have all sorts of problems. 477 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,320 I would always turn that light off. 478 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:48,320 Same thing here. 479 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,840 You know, if you're live, you are going to, you're going to do it. 480 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,320 You're going to get over the fact that you just, that you didn't make it perfect, but 481 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,360 you're going to be there. 482 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,920 It's a family pictures at Christmas, right? 483 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,840 If you run around and you snipe pictures, you get the best pictures. 484 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,240 When you tell somebody to smile, especially the old people in the family, they give you 485 00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:17,600 the, you know, the stiff smile or they just clam up or they're like, no, no, no, no, I 486 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,680 don't want to be on camera. 487 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,320 And I, my old people are getting really old. 488 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560 They're getting like Paul Duncan old. 489 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:32,800 So I had a conversation with my family this year because we had to take the group photo 490 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,600 and my uncle, my mother-in-law and their sister were all like, oh, no, no, no, you know, we 491 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,440 don't want to take pictures and I'm like, listen, I'm going to break it down to you 492 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,440 like this. 493 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,520 Somewhere in the next 10 years, we're going to be doing funerals. 494 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:50,720 I don't want to be the one family that has a funeral with no pictures because you three 495 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,720 insist on not taking pictures. 496 00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:54,720 Like they're pushing 90. 497 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,480 And, and you know, for them like, oh, no, no, I don't want to do that. 498 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360 I was like, listen, you know, you, you know, we all go to a lot. 499 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,440 Now once you pass 50, you got to go to more funerals than you thought. 500 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,440 It just happens. 501 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,160 But I'm like, it's real boring when they like, they don't have no pictures or the only picture 502 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,720 up there with the flowers is bad. 503 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,000 So stop being selfish and take a picture. 504 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,200 And so I feel the same way about, you know, video content. 505 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,600 Now that's going to be the modern, that's your legacy, man. 506 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:26,720 So even if you did nothing, but buy Ecam and tell your family story so that the young 507 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:30,640 is after you can have your story to keep that movement going. 508 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,400 Like grab a phone and go interview the old people in your family. 509 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Fam, you're going to wish you had their stories that left with my grandpa that I wish was 510 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,880 around. 511 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:49,000 And before my dad passed like two years ago, I spent every second I could digging into his 512 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:54,680 brain, getting all of the old school information, getting those lessons, lessons I used to ignore 513 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,080 when I was a young buck. 514 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,840 I'm like pops, I know you told me this a hundred times, but let me hear it again because now 515 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:04,120 I'm ready to listen because when I wake up stuff hurts. 516 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,800 And it's like, you know, funny stuff. 517 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:12,920 And like my dad, famous lesson from my dad, which I just love because I still use it to 518 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,800 this very day. 519 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,960 I should be like pops, I need 10 bucks. 520 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:19,960 Why? 521 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,520 Oh, I'm going to go to Tau Records and I want to get the new like CD and he was like, listen, 522 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,720 dummy, next time you come in here, ask for 50. 523 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:30,840 I'm going to tell you F off and I'm going to give you 10. 524 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,440 I mean, I'm going to give you 20, right? 525 00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,240 Never ask for $10. 526 00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:36,400 And I'm like, why? 527 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,160 Because it's just as easy to ask for 50 or 100 as it is to ask for 10. 528 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,840 But you asked for 10, I'm going to give you five. 529 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:44,840 I might give you 10. 530 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,560 But if you come here, ask for 100, I'll give you 50 or 20. 531 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,840 And he's like, I was like, when you making it worse on you, he goes, yeah, it doesn't 532 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:53,840 matter. 533 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,680 Just never, you always got to set yourself up. 534 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,200 So like when your clients say, hey, can you film this thing? 535 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,720 Don't tell them it's the $800 to shoot the job. 536 00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:06,480 Tell them it's two grand and then work your way back to 1100. 537 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,400 1100 is still doing them a favor. 538 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,560 But doing them a favor at 800, your equipment costs like seven, eight grand. 539 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,440 You know what I'm saying? 540 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,040 Like you got a charge for that stuff. 541 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,360 So immediately after that conversation, I roll in, mom, I need 100 bucks for what? 542 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,200 Oh, I got to do this thing for school. 543 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,560 I was like, oh, it's for school. 544 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:27,560 Here's 200 bucks. 545 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,600 And I was like, dad, it worked. 546 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,240 And he was like, yeah, I do it tomorrow. 547 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:33,240 I'm all the time. 548 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,360 So, you know, he would just take the money from the store and just give it to mom. 549 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,120 And so he's like, yeah, I always tell her I need more than I need. 550 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,680 And she'll tell me no. 551 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,960 And then she'll give me another number and I get to buy what I want. 552 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,280 So if ever I want to buy say the A7, right? 553 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,280 A7 is 3,500 bones. 554 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,840 I'll tell I want to buy a seven. 555 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:51,840 She'll say no. 556 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,360 She'll give me 25,000 bones and then I can buy the A7C, which is what I wanted in the 557 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,360 first place. 558 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,200 But I have to scare her with the big number. 559 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,200 And I was like, oh. 560 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:05,400 You know, so these, think about this stuff. 561 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,160 Like these are your opportunities to tell stories and record your life. 562 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,000 And, you know, don't put pressure. 563 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,000 Just go do something fun. 564 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,360 Like you said, just doing geocaching or something fun and you'll get good. 565 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,840 And then you can turn it into the thing that helps your business or your church or your 566 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840 family or whatever. 567 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,320 So, yeah, you know, good. 568 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,000 That's really, really good advice. 569 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,440 Now you know, EKM is a Mac only software. 570 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,880 And that's what I've heard some complaints about. 571 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,880 On purpose. 572 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,880 It's a Mac only software. 573 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,720 When you come into Windows, never. 574 00:40:35,720 --> 00:40:38,680 But, but that's, that's besides the point. 575 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,200 But, but if you have a Mac, I would desperately suggest checking it out. 576 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:44,200 EKM. 577 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,120 Now it is a monthly subscription or yearly subscription. 578 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,520 But one of the things that I really have enjoyed about using it. 579 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:55,960 And yes, I don't, I have no problem paying that every year because I get updates regularly 580 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:56,960 and I've got support. 581 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:01,880 You know, EKM has some of the best support around and you know, you, yes, you could use 582 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,240 a free, free OBS. 583 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,280 But again, if you got problems with that, where are you going to go? 584 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,280 Right? 585 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,280 You're going to go anywhere. 586 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,440 But with, with EKM, not only can you contact and actually probably get ahold of Ken and 587 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,120 Glenn, the creators. 588 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:23,280 But you have a whole Facebook community of people that know a lot of things. 589 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,280 And that's, I mean, obviously where I learned a lot of things too. 590 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,280 That's what makes it good. 591 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,280 It's not just one thing. 592 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,780 It's a diverse amount of things. 593 00:41:30,780 --> 00:41:33,560 So you come in like, Hey, I want to play the violin. 594 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,560 Somebody knows the answer. 595 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,800 Like when Emily asked that question, I was like, Oh, Emily, I would help you. 596 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,800 I don't know. 597 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,800 Jack about playing violin. 598 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,960 Always wish I had a dead, but did it. 599 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,560 And then like three people, which I'm like, Oh, I play violin all the time. 600 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:45,560 Here's all you got to do. 601 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,680 I mean, that, that melts my heart, bro. 602 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,680 Oh yeah. 603 00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:53,600 Just to see the way that everybody just dives in and, you know, like somebody comes in 604 00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,220 like, I'm doing this show and we're talking like Patriots football. 605 00:41:56,220 --> 00:41:58,680 So how can you, I'm not helping you at all. 606 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,420 But somebody else will, you know, like you want to talk Raiders. 607 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:03,420 It was a fumble. 608 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:04,420 Damn it. 609 00:42:04,420 --> 00:42:05,420 Like let's do that. 610 00:42:05,420 --> 00:42:06,420 But I'm not going to help you on purpose. 611 00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:07,420 Yeah. 612 00:42:07,420 --> 00:42:12,000 My company is in Boston and I'm not going to help you. 613 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,760 So we're, we're coming to, to the end of this. 614 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,680 Any, any final things that you would like to say as far as why someone should get E cam 615 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,280 or especially specifically, because obviously we could, we could do video with any, with 616 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,640 any software, but why E cam? 617 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,400 You know, Dina has the best line on this. 618 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,800 I came for the software. 619 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,440 I stayed for the community and you kind of mentioned our community is incredible. 620 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:45,160 If nothing else, it's like paying for the software is like paying for the, the, the 621 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,000 community club where you live. 622 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,880 You know, like if your kids play club basketball, the club baseball, the club soccer, same thing. 623 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,880 You pay a 40 bucks a month. 624 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,880 We love the club streaming. 625 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,200 Just a bunch of people who are just incredible. 626 00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,360 And you know what? 627 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:05,360 I pay 40 bucks a month just to be friends with Cameron, junkie and Paul, like legit, 628 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,420 you know, like it's, it's my job. 629 00:43:07,420 --> 00:43:12,920 But this is where camp was so cool, right? 630 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:20,560 Having a chance to meet people that I have built indelible relationships with from a 631 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:26,560 piece of software that I bought to teach my other DJ friends how to do DJ parties in 632 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:32,080 zoom during the penini, when all of us DJs got fired on the same day, the entire globe 633 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,000 with DJs got fired on the same day. 634 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:37,500 And it's like, Oh, what are we going to do? 635 00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:43,540 And for that to turn into like, I see Luis on Sunday evening. 636 00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:48,660 I'll be in Florida hanging out with Luis and then Luis, Katie and I are going to run around 637 00:43:48,660 --> 00:43:49,660 podcast. 638 00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:53,020 I'm going to meet a bunch of other e-cameras there and, you know, other people that are 639 00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:54,020 doing podcasts. 640 00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:58,260 I'll see Todd, you know, I see Todd at all the podcasting events. 641 00:43:58,260 --> 00:44:05,300 Like that part, I can't even put a price tag on, you know, as much as I, as much as I 642 00:44:05,300 --> 00:44:10,760 can, Paul, like, you know, just watching somebody like him come out of his shell and find a 643 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,800 lane to where it's like people look up to P, you know, and, you know, he makes people 644 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,800 smile. 645 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,800 Luis makes people smile. 646 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:25,240 You know, Luis's kid Aiden or nephew, like he's like the e-cam nephew. 647 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:31,680 Everybody loves Aiden, you know, Ken and Glenn, yourself, Daniel, you know, our Canadian friend 648 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,680 who is untouchable. 649 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:35,200 But it was too fast and everything. 650 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,200 You know what I'm saying? 651 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,060 Daniel's just, Daniel and my brother, June, are the same person to me. 652 00:44:40,060 --> 00:44:45,820 So it's hilarious because I'm like, I never thought I'd meet another June, but I did. 653 00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:50,620 And now the three of us will get into conversation about the absolute nerdy stuff and I'm the 654 00:44:50,620 --> 00:44:52,460 low man on that totem pole. 655 00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:54,260 Like that kind of stuff is just fun to me. 656 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:58,540 So I don't know, man, it's almost makes you want to tear. 657 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:01,740 But just know this, we have more cool stuff coming up in the pipeline. 658 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:05,960 As a matter of fact, there'll be some announcements tomorrow on the Ken and Glenn stream. 659 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,200 I can't wait. 660 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,920 And yeah, let's just say your addition problems might go away soon. 661 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:12,920 Sweet. 662 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,040 And I think, you know, as you can see on the screen here, you know, Paul mentioned it. 663 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,040 The e-cam community is unlike any other, you know, we are family and that's why we call 664 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:22,040 the e-cam family. 665 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,040 Yeah, exactly. 666 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,040 Like, and that's the thing, you know, I've loved being able to just show up and help 667 00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:31,640 people because I've got the same, you know, thing from, from you guys, you know, I've 668 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,640 got from Mr. Cameron, but junkie in Paul and Katie and Ken and Glenn and you and like 669 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,900 everybody else in the community. 670 00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:44,600 I've received that, you know, I was once in newbie two at E-cam and I know what I know 671 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,020 because of you guys and because of the other people in the community. 672 00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:50,380 So I would, yeah, I would definitely check it out again, not to tear up or anything, 673 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:53,300 but the community is a pretty amazing part of the software. 674 00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:55,660 It is what to me, that's the best part. 675 00:45:55,660 --> 00:45:58,600 Well, if you ask, you know, I do interviews all the time, what is the best feature you 676 00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,600 have in the community? 677 00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,140 You know, like, but I was like, you know what? 678 00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:06,960 OBS or squadcasts or, you know, streaming, they can add those features. 679 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:07,960 No one can touch our community. 680 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,720 Our community is unfreakin touchable, Elliot and S. Like, we just, it's amazing. 681 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,480 So to me, that's the best part. 682 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:15,480 Awesome. 683 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120 Well, thank you so much for, for being on the show today. 684 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,120 It was good. 685 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,880 You didn't ask me anything crazy. 686 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,880 No secrets had to come out. 687 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,880 So we're good together. 688 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:31,320 All right, everybody, that was an amazing episode with doc rock. 689 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:36,200 Thank you so much doc for being on the show and talking all about video. 690 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,640 And if you want to get your own trial of E cam, you can go to podcast answers.com/ecam 691 00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:47,040 and that's E C A M M and that'll get you a trial of E cam. 692 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,800 Again, this is a Mac only software, but it's the very, very, very best streaming software 693 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:54,360 that there is. 694 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,520 And so definitely check that out again. 695 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,800 That's podcast answers.com/ecam. 696 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:09,320 And without further ado, guys, we will see you next week. 697 00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,680 [MUSIC PLAYING]