Welcome to podcast answers, the show where I help you start and grow your podcast answering any podcast questions along the way. That's right guys. I love to answer your podcast questions and today is no different. Last week we talked about
should you put your podcast episode on YouTube and if you don't remember go back and listen to that one. That's a good one. And this is kind of a continuation of that because we are talking about video this episode and how to do a video podcast and whether that looks
traditional, non-traditional, what that really means to have a video podcast. So today's episode we are talking with the infamous doc rock. Doc is the community manager at E cam. And so without further ado, let's get into that interview with doc.
Welcome to the show. Doc rock. I have got doc rock with me today. Welcome to the show.
Hey, what's happening? Hey, not much. Well, you know, I we've known each other, I guess virtually, you know, you're in Hawaii. I'm in Indiana. It's a little bit colder here than it is there. But we've known each other through, you know, a little bit through E cam. I've done. This is my, this will be my third year doing having an E cam account and doing E cam with my podcast and doing video with my podcast.
And so I pretty much as soon as I started, I got deep in the weeds and started, you know, answering people's questions and things like that on the forums because that's how I am. I'm helpful. Right. And so, but so we've had a lot of conversation back and forth and stuff. So I wanted to bring you on though, because you are the community manager at at E cam. And so I wanted to talk a little bit today about about E cam and how we can use E cam to do video podcasts.
So welcome to show. Hey, happy to be here. And you've been a huge help to people in the community. So, you know, just make it easier.
Yeah, you know, that's my goal. I try to be helpful to people. I have a help desk background. You know, I work in IT and at one point in my life, I didn't help desk. So I like helping people and sharing knowledge. So I try to always beat Daniel to the punch when he's when he's putting things in there because he he's usually first and I try to beat him a lot of times.
So to Daniel is at a level of quick that is that is really hard to fathom. Oh my God, he is the best. He is the best. It's kind of funny.
So, you know, I had to ask you a question. You posted a blog post about should you put your podcast on YouTube? And why does the dude look like Paul?
Listen, I asked a I to generate that that was a that was a canva canva generated AI and apparently it just looks like Paul.
It's just so good. That is super, super good. And I don't know if you notice, I don't know if you talked to Todd or not, but I know Todd from Hawaii from way back when podcasting first started.
Yeah, when when he was doing something called 8/4 radio back here, like we were all running pirate radio stations out of our houses, you know, it was like before squad cast, not squad cast, not the right name for it.
Oh, God, what was it called? Something cast, but it started out with ice cast. You had to hand code this stuff. Oh, yeah.
So we went out of the radio stations and then we got the real player type situations or whatever. So I remember when he first came up with blueberry and, you know, as you know, they're huge now.
But yeah, I know Paul, I know Todd from way way back in the day. We used to do our meetings in Alamo on a beach park because, you know, there was no no place to do cool meetings.
Well, can you tell us a little bit about just what is he cam to begin with? Let's start with that.
Well, it's funny, he started out as a live streaming platform. And to this day, I think a lot of people just instantly go there because it's still called the camp live.
I purposely try to shave the word live off the conversation because it's far more than that. Right.
Oh, right.
If you want to take any live streaming software and just don't press live, which we're really dealing with is a video production suite, whether using us or OBS or, you know, vMix or any of the tools that are out there.
You don't have to go live. You can just press record.
But because it's designed for live stream, you automatically have the Chiron, a, a, a Genlock, a, k, a putting text on the screen. So like an ESPN, when it says Dallas loses Green Bay people go nuts.
I'm sorry, I love that.
That is a, is a Chiron, they would call it, where you put a graphic on the screen. So you have all that stuff sort of built in. You have the ability to have a guest like we're doing today.
Sure.
Similar to what you would do in a regular video production suite. And you just record all these things and you record them in the manner where you've covered a large portion of the edits because you're going from the different scenes.
You're switching cameras. You're bringing on the graphics. You're bringing on comments from people in the live stream. And so yeah, at the end of the day, if you take a live streaming software and don't go live, you end up with basically a video recording production facility.
And that's what he can miss.
Yeah. And that's what I've loved about it. You know, from, from the very beginning when I started, well, I've, I've done podcasting since 2007. So I'm like an old school. I guess I'm old school, right?
Yes.
But on and off. But when I started my latest podcast, not this one, but a different one that I'm doing dudes and dads, I decided, hey, let's just also throw it up on YouTube. And at that point I was using OBS. And OBS is just so like, it's so complicated, right? I mean, it's free, but it's complicated.
There's so many different settings in there. And, and there's no support. And so when I ran across E cam, I think I remember the first time I ran across E cam, I looked at it and went, whoa, there's a lot going on here, right?
You know, if you've ever seen any cam, there's windows everywhere. But then I came back to it. And one of the things that I really loved about it is just how simple it actually was.
And there's, you pick your stream size and you're, and you're good to go. And so that's what I loved about it.
Well, you know, it's funny you say that because in the same token, I did a similar thing. So I was coming from Wirecast. And I was working for a while at the time. And that's just what we used to do all of our streams.
They were closing down the unofficial Apple web log aka to you or to us, people used to call it. And they wanted us all to go to engadget. And we all quit the same day because none of us wanted to go work in a gadget.
At that time, engadget was very PC focused and we just felt like we were going to get buried. So really weird. And I had no idea they screwed up. They were missed it by like three months.
Them closing the unofficial Apple web log and Apple turning into what Apple is today was probably about three to four month gap. And I think we closed the right around iPhone six iPhone six.
S I believe is the largest selling iPhone ever. If I remember correctly. So they they mucked up. They didn't realize it. But like all the things that made Apple Apple just blew up. And I think for them, it was like, oh, we're losing Steve. So there's no recovery.
And so this is going to lose, you know, add dollars or whatever. So unfortunately, they closed it way too quick.
But I lost my access to Wirecast. I looked at it. I'm not paying them 900 bucks for this thing. And so I found OBS. I did it for about two years, hated every second of it.
But I remember looking at Ecamp back then in like 2017, it was like, there's no way this $40 thing can do with $900 of Wirecast can do.
And I was like, it must be too simple. And I'm just going to ignore it. And it turned out like, oh, you stupid is way better.
So yeah, that's kind of funny. Definitely, definitely. Mr. Cameron, junkie says, Hi, everybody. So that's and here's I'm demonstrating a little bit what what you can do.
If you've not seen it, you can bring up comments on it. So start to interrupt you, Doc. But there's yeah, there's comments that you can bring up on screen from people watching live.
So that's that's one of the one of the cool things that I really enjoy about it. But yeah, it's just really, really good. So yeah, I mean, I just I fell in love with the simplicity, but I fell in love also with the approachability because I was going to be having when the panini hit, I was going to be having a teacher, a bunch of DJs, how to do this.
So these guys can can really work well with music. They know nothing about computers.
Right.
So so so yeah, so you had mentioned, you know, you can record, you can go live on it. And one of the things that I really liked about it is the fact that you can go live multi streaming.
You know, when I first started with Ecamm, you could only go to one destination and I had this desire to go obviously to multiple places and then 4.0 came out and we could do multi streaming.
And that so that took it to another level again. I'm not having to pay for restream to do that. And now again, it works differently. You got to have the bandwidth for it.
And that's what some people don't understand. But if you've got the bandwidth for it, you can go it up to what 10 destinations on it on that.
And so yeah, yeah, you can you can go.
Is there a limit?
It's really based off of the bandwidth, but most people cap out at around 10. So you can bring in 10 guests, plus yourself to make 11.
Theoretically, you can put as many destinations as you want, but most of them will cap out. The cool thing is in the preferences, it actually tell you where you're going to hit a brick wall.
Sure.
So if I set my stream to say like 540, it would tell me that like if I hit all 10 destinations, I only need 21 megabits per second.
So in theory, based off my connection, I could do 10, 1080 streams.
Sure.
Because I need to have 60 megabits per second up in order to go to 10, 1080 streams. If I wanted to do 10 4K streams, I needed 125 megabits per second, which I technically my signal can handle that too.
But I don't trust it.
Yeah.
I would never do that.
Yeah.
So, you know, when we talk about podcasting in general, there's old curmudgens.
I'll just throw Todd under the bus here because you mentioned him. So, I mean, he's one of the persons that says you don't have an RSS feed. It's not a podcast. And I know how you feel about this.
As long as you're doing a show, you're doing a show. It's really a show. I mean, podcast, yes, technically has RSS feed to do it.
But, and video podcasting has been around since the beginning. We've been able to do that. You know, Apple supported it with Apple Podcasts, or I, you know, at the time.
But the host, it's hard because I know the hosts were able to not, I can't say none of them. There are hosts that that allow you to do video.
But what you get with video is tough because you don't get a whole lot of space because it costs them a lot of bandwidth to do this.
And this is where YouTube has come along and made it great because we can host a show there for MSA free. I mean, obviously we give them, you know, they'll run ads across it and whatever.
But as far as the hosting cost goes, I'm not paying YouTube anything to host my show. So I think that there's a hang up there when we say podcast versus just show.
I think people just need to start saying show, right?
I can't, you know what? I'm going to straight up agree with you. But here's the thing. We're going to call it podcast because it's a portable show.
Okay.
That's really all the podcast ever was in the beginning.
Sure.
Now the RSS fee thing is in the same ballpark as manual transmission.
We grew up at a time where your ability to be a driver consisted of your ability to drive stick or manual transmission.
Some people know that depends on where you're listening from. Some people know the stick. Some people know it as manual transmission.
Even gangster grandma like Gretchen to this day says you will never take that stick out of my hands.
For about the last 10 years, there is no human that can outshift any of the computers on any of the cars out there.
So a Porsche 911 T, which is the only one that comes with a stick is actually almost a whole second slower than the same Porsche 911 Carrera without the T.
And the T is the only one that you can buy with the manual transmission.
But there are people who will mostly buy the T because it's cheaper. They will never say that. They'll buy the T because they say, well, it's the manual transmission and I know how to drive a stick.
Fuller senseless for you to drive a stick when you cannot outperform the computer that's going to do the dual clutch automatic transmission that's built into everything's out there.
For BMW, we call it tiptonic. You know, same thing.
There was some amount of I'll use my cheese mo because do some be listening, but there's a certain amount of badge of honor that Ram would have it in RSS feed.
The only reason why everybody wants an RSS feed. Let's be dead honest and people are gonna get pissed at me. I don't care.
I give you my email address. I'm on X is because you like to know that you get 4000 downloads a show.
4000 downloads a show. Probably 10% of downloads actually watch the episodes.
Sure.
But you sell commercials based off your downloads.
Sure.
You yourself have your phone right now things that automatically download at your as a listen to one of them shows in over a year.
Right.
But the downloads still happening. That's what the RSC feed is for.
Podcasts has not beat television yet.
And television doesn't have any automatic downloads. What happens is when law and order is good.
It's Thursdays at nine o'clock. Everybody in the house shut up.
Kids go to bed.
Doors locked.
Phone switched to do not disturb.
Dung, Dung. We're there and we do not move 28 years running.
Yeah.
Because that's the show. Right.
That show been on long since Jesus walked the Nazareth that show been on.
It has.
Yeah.
And you if your content is dope. You don't need a RSS feed. People will come for it.
What you're trying to do is make it look like your content is dope without being dope.
And that's why the RSS people out here is scared.
Yeah.
I'm a little bit of the both camps because I like being able to have it in the podcast apps.
Right.
Where you know, obviously I said most of the time for the flow.
So you're on the flow.
The flow is a podcast that talks all about the flow of creating shows with Ecam.
And most of the time I watch that, you know, in the background or I have it on or whatever.
I, you guys do do an RSS feed with captivate, which I hope is host on captivate.
Also, I love captivate, but love captivate.
But most of the time, if I'm honest, I, I come for the live show.
And that's what I, for me, that's what sells it for me.
And that's what, why I do a live show too.
You know, I, I have the, the download and I have it in Apple podcasts and I have it everywhere.
Right.
But I like doing the live show.
And what I, because what I found is the interaction that you get there is the same interaction
that podcasters have been craving forever.
And this is the reason, you know, even Todd has said this, like when he was in Hawaii doing his show,
the reason he did a live show is because that allowed him to get interaction.
He didn't want to be talking just by himself.
Right.
And so that's, that's one of the things that I love about Ecam is, you know, people are watching,
you can see them comment, like I brought up that comment earlier.
You can make that part of your show and kind of have a call in show, if you will.
You know, my original show back in 2007, I used a service called talk shoe.
I don't know if you know that service.
Man, every Sunday talk shoe, but we love talk shoe.
We miss it.
We kind of talk about having a talk shoe reunion talk shoe.
Like, yo, record.
Oh my God, I love that app so much.
But it was terrible.
The audio quality was terrible.
It was horrible.
Call in on a phone.
You, we built entire friendships, friends that I have to this very day that I got hired at TUAW as a,
started as just being a person in the audience on talk shoe and then always commenting in the little side thing to being,
you know, a talk shoe guest to, you know, just always coming up with good questions.
And they were like, yo, we need to hire this guy.
That's how I got hired.
Yeah.
Man, that's crazy.
That's, that's, that's how I started, how I started doing it.
In fact, it was funny because I started, I started it because I wanted to do,
I was doing it on a, on a something called geocaching.
I don't know if you're familiar with that at all.
I remember geocaching.
I still love geocaching to this day.
I was doing a show on that.
And the reason I wanted to start one, there was other podcast about it,
but because I wanted to do a live element on it.
And that's what talks you had allowed me to do.
And that's what Ecamm has allowed me to do now.
I mean, people, I don't necessarily have people calling in.
I don't give them, you know, my guest link in case, you know,
I don't want them just showing up on my, on video.
Like, you know, I wear those like I did for you that one time, but,
that's what happens when I know your link.
But, but, but it allows you to do similar things with the comments, right?
You know, people can, can put in their comments and, and be part of the show.
Yeah.
And it feels good.
I mean, I just, something about, you know, we,
why we say chicken skin, but, you know, goosebumps, whatever,
you just mentioned in talks, you just mean goosebumps.
Cause I met literally some of my closest friends in tech.
I met because of that.
And I mean, every Sunday we had a conversation and it would be,
it always started about something tech.
I mean, one of the, the biggest people in tech for a minute was Christina Warren
and, and a film girl on, on, on the Twitter.
I met Christina through that.
Mike Rose, who became my boss at TWAW, like it was such a great experience.
And so you're right.
That interactivity is where it matters.
And I think every time technology goes through one of these ebbs.
And I literally, as I was finishing up my live stream to run over here,
I had to cut off a conversation because being a DJ coming from the music background,
I remember when Mitty came out.
I remember all of the OG musicians like, I don't want to do Mitty.
I'm not in the synthesizers, whatever.
And while they're talking all of that smack,
Stevie Wonder dropped songs in the key of life completely with a move.
Parliament Funkadelic synthesized everything.
Herbie Hancock all over the building, you know, like,
so all of the best guys that we remember from the 80s,
the guys with the most Grammys and Prince, like all these guys,
they all went synthesizer.
And yet guys in my neighborhood was like, no, I played my instruments for real.
I don't want to do fake instruments, blah, blah.
And I'm like, do you hear you?
What you're doing is making an excuse for not wanting to buy at that time
a $500 keyboard, but you know, $500 in 1980 is about five grand today.
Right.
You know, so even when I bought my first Atari ST4 to do Mitty,
like that was every paper route, every car wash,
every leave raking or, you know, branch cutting,
cutting cords of wood in people's backyard for their stoves.
I was just trying to get the money to get that equipment.
I got the equipment, got my first little synthesizer,
and I started from there and that led me into DJing and look, here I am now.
Like I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that,
but I saw the writing on the wall then.
And to this day where people are missing when it comes to this podcast stuff,
is the words are going to change and you can fight it because you like what it used to be.
You could even fight my buddy at Libsyn still thinks that it's audio only.
Video doesn't matter.
And I'm like, okay, player, you do you.
Like I love you, Rob.
You're the man.
You happen to run one of my favorite companies because that's how I did my podcast back in the day.
But you're crazy because people love video.
I used to use Libsyn too.
So yeah, 100% you know, is what it is.
So more and more people are video and I fully understand when it's time to move the cheese.
Old school book who moved my cheese is worth reading.
You got to be, you got to be gumby.
I tell all you guys that you got to be gumby.
Like even all this AI stuff as we know it right now, this is a joke.
This is the beginning.
This is the worst it will ever be.
Exactly.
And we have, it generates people with weird finger finger positions, but it'll get better.
But 100% but yeah.
And I think that that's, that's important to remember.
You know, I'm flexible.
Like I, I'm an old school podcast guy and I have to admit, you know, when you first said
that on the last or whatever it was flow that you guys are talking about RSS and YouTube,
it got my skin crawling a little bit.
I have to admit, but I also was thinking it really is just a show.
It is a show.
I do like RSS because it allows me to easily distribute it.
But at the same time, I'm not going to complain if I have to upload a video to YouTube or,
you know, go to Spotify and click upload because it allows people to watch where they want to
watch and, and there's a video, a video element of it.
And, and that's okay.
And people may not like it.
That's why I offer audio too.
You know, I offer audio because again, you can, it's easier to, especially when I'm driving,
I should probably shouldn't be watching YouTube videos, but, but, but it, but it allows you
to watch and make that choice that, you know, you can watch two, two dudes, you know, head,
talking head things, but I could also listen to it too.
Here's that.
Here's a cool thing.
Remember when you posted on YouTube, somewhere in your description, put the hashtag, listenable
in your YouTube things at the bottom, put listenable on everyone's television.
And you might not even have paid attention to it, but on the television, when you go to
the YouTube app at the top, there's like trending news, whatever your favorite stuff you watch
LaMonde says, Manchester United, Apple gadgets, camera, food, one of the tabs that's up there
says, listenable because they know full well, you're about to vacuum or go into kitchen or,
you know, yell at them kids, do some homework or everybody left the house.
I won't admit, I don't like being at home by myself because, you know, Michael Myers movies
and whatnot.
So I put people on the TV and before what we did was we turned on mindless, useless TV
programming.
And for a lot of dudes, it was play sports center because it was the same thing over and over
again, but it's just in the background to keep you company.
Right.
And other people, they're not in the sports, they would play to CNN loop or the Fox News
loop or whatever, you know, you put it on your favorite cable station, you know, for
the mother-in-law, it was food network.
Right.
She just had Paula Deen and Rachel and all her friends just talking to her.
She's never looking at the TV.
They're just keeping her company because she don't like be home by herself.
She comes from a family of 15 kids.
She's not used to being at home by herself.
Right.
So a lot of people do that.
So this is why you want to be on YouTube because your TV doesn't have a podcast app people,
but every TV you go to right now, unless you still got the old Sony, Grand Vega, click,
click, click, change the knobs, every TV you have, if you look at the remote, there's
a YouTube button.
Yep.
During the next two weeks, more TVs will get sold in the United States in any other time
in the year as people prep for a Super Bowl.
And all of them come on YouTube, but all of them are brand new opportunities.
And so I do understand the syndication and I love it.
I've been using it since we had to hand code them suckers and you had to use feed burner
to check it.
Oh yeah.
But I'm going to tell you, it doesn't matter anymore.
No matter what we think in a matter of feelings, it doesn't matter anymore because your family
members outside of you don't know what the hell an RSS is.
If you asked them what's RSS, they'd be like, what?
They have no freaking clue.
Do they use podcast app?
Yeah, but they don't know what an RSS is.
Do you subscribe to what podcast do you subscribe to?
I don't subscribe to podcast, I just listen to them.
When they open the phone, the phone knows you last listened to crime junkies or cereal
or song exploder.
And so it just shows up on the front page.
So you press play to listen to the last episode.
They're not actually subscribed either.
Right?
The tech space, we know better.
The nerds, yes.
Die hard podcast listeners.
Yes.
The general population, 95% of the people you need to hear your show have no freaking clue
what an RSS feed is.
And so YouTube coming into this party is the reality.
And I remember these thoughts when the iMac came and we're like, we're going to make
the Mac accessible to everyone.
Us diehards were like, oh, hell no.
Just OS 10, this is too easy.
OS 9, 7.5, OS 8, OS 6, you had to still kind of know something about computing.
Right.
And we were kicking and screaming.
All of us palm trio people when the iPhone came out, it's like, that's just a toy.
You know, I can do more stuff from a palm tree.
I got a real keyboard, Blackberry for the win.
All of that crap talking.
You guys all remember that.
You was there.
But now everybody act like they forget.
Everybody moved to short term memory.
I'm never going to get a smartphone.
I just need to make phone calls.
I know everybody looking at the main one like this neck down 24/7, especially when it's
just you and your bring butter law, you'll be down here.
Yeah.
Look, come on.
All those feelings are nice.
They're not real.
So let them go.
Sure.
You'll be better off if you let them go.
So obviously you do a weekly show on Friday basically going through EKM and how to set
it up and ask, you know, taking people's questions.
So I'm not going to ask you to do that full show here, obviously.
But can you give us a little bit of an overview as far as what some of the things that you
can do with EKM instead of, you know, just obviously broadcasting.
But what are what was your selling points?
If you were to say, Hey, yo, you should use EKM.
What are your selling points for EKM?
At this point in time, I would buy EKM just as a communication tools for my newsletter.
Like I would be able to record my newsletter updates for my people.
If I run any type of software, whether I wrote it myself or I use it as a service and I need
to do training videos, I use it for that.
I use it for broadcast into my community, whether that's a faith community or the PTA,
like my one of my best friends, he's the head of the PTA.
And he was like, man, like I'm going to show up in zoom.
And it's hard for me to keep these people focused because they want to be somewhere else.
And I'm like, well, the first thing you need to do is stop coming in with your MacBook
camera.
And he's like, why?
And then I'm like, dude, you have, you know, Sony a seven four and all that stuff because
you know, he's a photographer.
Well, photographer hobbyist.
And I'm like, how you show up in zoom is your modern day business suit.
Right.
I wouldn't go to an important meeting before without a flex, you know, a loha shirt is
crispy, you know, I got my nice slacks on rolling with my kicks, my brogans as we used
to say, or, you know, your Sunday go to meeting clothes, you know, got your little tie, your
little shirt, your jacket grandma would not let us go to church without a blazer.
150 million degrees sitting up in there, but you got to wear the blazer because it's
church.
I'm like, Jesus, don't care how you dress.
You know, but I was like, yo, he wear a robe.
Why I got to wear a suit.
Exactly.
Don't ask grandma stupid questions.
Anyway, that's this is us showing up in zoom.
And I had a huge revelation when the panini was happening and Dr. Rachel used to come
on from the CDC to give us all of the most current updates and she be using zoom with
a jacked up background, that blurry potato cam from her Lenovo and her head cat and
kept disappearing in the middle of the conversation because of that virtual background thing.
And I'm like, this lady is one of the top five smartest females in the entire planet.
It's already tough for, for dudes to listen to a woman of power, explain them things.
You're making it worse by showing up looking like a turd on potato camera.
I'm like, I know you're a scientist and you don't think it matters, but people have a
hard time understanding how important what you're saying is because you just keep disappearing
in the middle of a conversation.
And so when I explained that to him and I showed him some of those clips and he's okay,
I get it.
And then I showed him what he looks like after we set it up, like even just the whole PTA
meetings and whatnot, you know, coming in, in zoom looking good.
So looking good in zoom teams, Cisco, WebEx, whatever you use, being able to read.
To record videos for training, being able to do your social media content for your business.
All of the above things are there and they're super easy to do in the E-cam.
And one of the ones that I use it a lot for, which doesn't get talked about, I use it to
video journal.
So I sit down, I record myself talking to myself because my mentor is me and I need to keep
my foot in my own butt.
Anyone else is going to motivate you and if you don't believe in you, who else should?
So I record what my thought process is for the week, what I'm working on, what I want
to get better at.
And I go back and listen to them a couple months later to check my progress.
And so that's my way of, A, keeping my ability to talk ex-paraniously, being an ex-radio
DJ, I don't want that skill to go away.
It also helps me just sort of focus on my personal growth.
And so I use it for that too.
Yeah.
And one of the things that I like about it, and you've said it earlier, is the fact you
can really just build everything out.
So you build it like a show, you have your scenes set up.
So I may have a scene that's just me and I may have, like this scene is me and you as
the guest.
And I like the fact that E-cam with the professional version, you can bring in guests.
So you can just have people go in easily, bring people on easily to your show.
You can do all sorts of stuff, share your screen, whatever.
And what you said earlier, with it, just kind of having it there, hitting record and stopping
when you're done and being done.
I mean, that's the one of the ways that I do my podcasts too.
I've never done really any editing.
For me, it's just hit record, do the thing, stop it.
I run it through a few things in Adobe edition, but I don't do any really heavy editing.
And so that's one of the things that I really loved about E-cam is that I could do my show
and as soon as I was done, I had the video file.
I didn't need to throw it in Premiere or After Effects or whatever.
And you're basically done.
Yeah, you're done.
You just post it.
Or if you're wrong live, you don't even need to post it.
It's already posted.
Right?
And Alec, our friend Alec, that's what he does.
He says, "Take One Tech" is the idea about he's doing these training videos and he just
hits record, does them all and then he's done.
And so that, yeah, that's what they say.
I have a reel that I'm going to post directly after this, speaking of the simplicity of getting
all of the heavy tech stuff out of the way.
Because although I have all of this, I have all of this because my family owned an electronic
store.
There's no videographer and sound engineer for multiple decades, but you don't need all
of this.
Seriously, with the phone and literally that's it.
You're good to go.
Adding a mic just makes it better.
With a phone and a mic, you can do your podcast and just get it out there.
And more people will love your pure authenticity of you just showing up as you than all of
the guys showing up like me with the full studio and all of that.
Because it's like, of course, he knows what he's talking about.
He has all of that stuff, but he doesn't understand the struggle back down here.
Yeah, dude.
But it's harder to let people understand you, understand where they're coming from.
If you're coming from trying to be perfect and if you start out perfect, where do you
go?
Exactly.
You don't have any room for mistakes because you told everybody he was going to give them
a solid show.
You got to be willing to just ride dirty.
More people care about the folks that will ride dirty with them than you coming out acting
like you're some kind of like Uber guru and you're just not like you're fallible.
There is no perfect.
The only perfect is the maker and you ain't it.
So let that part go and tell your story because somebody needs to hear what you got to say.
Exactly.
Like legit.
And the nice thing about going live too is you get over that whole like, well, I can't,
I got to stop and record.
You know, I messed something up.
I got to start over because, you know, for me, that's what I found helped me help me
do my show in a better way is just going live because you're live and if people are watching,
then that's great and they're going to see your mistakes, but that's okay.
And so you get over that whole fear of being in front of the camera and, you know, I've
always, it's the same thing as every time I did recorded interviews, you know, on with
an actual physical, you know, video recorder, I always turned the recording light off because
people got super nervous about when they saw that red light blinking in front of them,
they would shut up or they would have all sorts of problems.
I would always turn that light off.
Same thing here.
You know, if you're live, you are going to, you're going to do it.
You're going to get over the fact that you just, that you didn't make it perfect, but
you're going to be there.
It's a family pictures at Christmas, right?
If you run around and you snipe pictures, you get the best pictures.
When you tell somebody to smile, especially the old people in the family, they give you
the, you know, the stiff smile or they just clam up or they're like, no, no, no, no, I
don't want to be on camera.
And I, my old people are getting really old.
They're getting like Paul Duncan old.
So I had a conversation with my family this year because we had to take the group photo
and my uncle, my mother-in-law and their sister were all like, oh, no, no, no, you know, we
don't want to take pictures and I'm like, listen, I'm going to break it down to you
like this.
Somewhere in the next 10 years, we're going to be doing funerals.
I don't want to be the one family that has a funeral with no pictures because you three
insist on not taking pictures.
Like they're pushing 90.
And, and you know, for them like, oh, no, no, I don't want to do that.
I was like, listen, you know, you, you know, we all go to a lot.
Now once you pass 50, you got to go to more funerals than you thought.
It just happens.
But I'm like, it's real boring when they like, they don't have no pictures or the only picture
up there with the flowers is bad.
So stop being selfish and take a picture.
And so I feel the same way about, you know, video content.
Now that's going to be the modern, that's your legacy, man.
So even if you did nothing, but buy Ecam and tell your family story so that the young
is after you can have your story to keep that movement going.
Like grab a phone and go interview the old people in your family.
Fam, you're going to wish you had their stories that left with my grandpa that I wish was
around.
And before my dad passed like two years ago, I spent every second I could digging into his
brain, getting all of the old school information, getting those lessons, lessons I used to ignore
when I was a young buck.
I'm like pops, I know you told me this a hundred times, but let me hear it again because now
I'm ready to listen because when I wake up stuff hurts.
And it's like, you know, funny stuff.
And like my dad, famous lesson from my dad, which I just love because I still use it to
this very day.
I should be like pops, I need 10 bucks.
Why?
Oh, I'm going to go to Tau Records and I want to get the new like CD and he was like, listen,
dummy, next time you come in here, ask for 50.
I'm going to tell you F off and I'm going to give you 10.
I mean, I'm going to give you 20, right?
Never ask for $10.
And I'm like, why?
Because it's just as easy to ask for 50 or 100 as it is to ask for 10.
But you asked for 10, I'm going to give you five.
I might give you 10.
But if you come here, ask for 100, I'll give you 50 or 20.
And he's like, I was like, when you making it worse on you, he goes, yeah, it doesn't
matter.
Just never, you always got to set yourself up.
So like when your clients say, hey, can you film this thing?
Don't tell them it's the $800 to shoot the job.
Tell them it's two grand and then work your way back to 1100.
1100 is still doing them a favor.
But doing them a favor at 800, your equipment costs like seven, eight grand.
You know what I'm saying?
Like you got a charge for that stuff.
So immediately after that conversation, I roll in, mom, I need 100 bucks for what?
Oh, I got to do this thing for school.
I was like, oh, it's for school.
Here's 200 bucks.
And I was like, dad, it worked.
And he was like, yeah, I do it tomorrow.
I'm all the time.
So, you know, he would just take the money from the store and just give it to mom.
And so he's like, yeah, I always tell her I need more than I need.
And she'll tell me no.
And then she'll give me another number and I get to buy what I want.
So if ever I want to buy say the A7, right?
A7 is 3,500 bones.
I'll tell I want to buy a seven.
She'll say no.
She'll give me 25,000 bones and then I can buy the A7C, which is what I wanted in the
first place.
But I have to scare her with the big number.
And I was like, oh.
You know, so these, think about this stuff.
Like these are your opportunities to tell stories and record your life.
And, you know, don't put pressure.
Just go do something fun.
Like you said, just doing geocaching or something fun and you'll get good.
And then you can turn it into the thing that helps your business or your church or your
family or whatever.
So, yeah, you know, good.
That's really, really good advice.
Now you know, EKM is a Mac only software.
And that's what I've heard some complaints about.
On purpose.
It's a Mac only software.
When you come into Windows, never.
But, but that's, that's besides the point.
But, but if you have a Mac, I would desperately suggest checking it out.
EKM.
Now it is a monthly subscription or yearly subscription.
But one of the things that I really have enjoyed about using it.
And yes, I don't, I have no problem paying that every year because I get updates regularly
and I've got support.
You know, EKM has some of the best support around and you know, you, yes, you could use
a free, free OBS.
But again, if you got problems with that, where are you going to go?
Right?
You're going to go anywhere.
But with, with EKM, not only can you contact and actually probably get ahold of Ken and
Glenn, the creators.
But you have a whole Facebook community of people that know a lot of things.
And that's, I mean, obviously where I learned a lot of things too.
That's what makes it good.
It's not just one thing.
It's a diverse amount of things.
So you come in like, Hey, I want to play the violin.
Somebody knows the answer.
Like when Emily asked that question, I was like, Oh, Emily, I would help you.
I don't know.
Jack about playing violin.
Always wish I had a dead, but did it.
And then like three people, which I'm like, Oh, I play violin all the time.
Here's all you got to do.
I mean, that, that melts my heart, bro.
Oh yeah.
Just to see the way that everybody just dives in and, you know, like somebody comes in
like, I'm doing this show and we're talking like Patriots football.
So how can you, I'm not helping you at all.
But somebody else will, you know, like you want to talk Raiders.
It was a fumble.
Damn it.
Like let's do that.
But I'm not going to help you on purpose.
Yeah.
My company is in Boston and I'm not going to help you.
So we're, we're coming to, to the end of this.
Any, any final things that you would like to say as far as why someone should get E cam
or especially specifically, because obviously we could, we could do video with any, with
any software, but why E cam?
You know, Dina has the best line on this.
I came for the software.
I stayed for the community and you kind of mentioned our community is incredible.
If nothing else, it's like paying for the software is like paying for the, the, the
community club where you live.
You know, like if your kids play club basketball, the club baseball, the club soccer, same thing.
You pay a 40 bucks a month.
We love the club streaming.
Just a bunch of people who are just incredible.
And you know what?
I pay 40 bucks a month just to be friends with Cameron, junkie and Paul, like legit,
you know, like it's, it's my job.
But this is where camp was so cool, right?
Having a chance to meet people that I have built indelible relationships with from a
piece of software that I bought to teach my other DJ friends how to do DJ parties in
zoom during the penini, when all of us DJs got fired on the same day, the entire globe
with DJs got fired on the same day.
And it's like, Oh, what are we going to do?
And for that to turn into like, I see Luis on Sunday evening.
I'll be in Florida hanging out with Luis and then Luis, Katie and I are going to run around
podcast.
I'm going to meet a bunch of other e-cameras there and, you know, other people that are
doing podcasts.
I'll see Todd, you know, I see Todd at all the podcasting events.
Like that part, I can't even put a price tag on, you know, as much as I, as much as I
can, Paul, like, you know, just watching somebody like him come out of his shell and find a
lane to where it's like people look up to P, you know, and, you know, he makes people
smile.
Luis makes people smile.
You know, Luis's kid Aiden or nephew, like he's like the e-cam nephew.
Everybody loves Aiden, you know, Ken and Glenn, yourself, Daniel, you know, our Canadian friend
who is untouchable.
But it was too fast and everything.
You know what I'm saying?
Daniel's just, Daniel and my brother, June, are the same person to me.
So it's hilarious because I'm like, I never thought I'd meet another June, but I did.
And now the three of us will get into conversation about the absolute nerdy stuff and I'm the
low man on that totem pole.
Like that kind of stuff is just fun to me.
So I don't know, man, it's almost makes you want to tear.
But just know this, we have more cool stuff coming up in the pipeline.
As a matter of fact, there'll be some announcements tomorrow on the Ken and Glenn stream.
I can't wait.
And yeah, let's just say your addition problems might go away soon.
Sweet.
And I think, you know, as you can see on the screen here, you know, Paul mentioned it.
The e-cam community is unlike any other, you know, we are family and that's why we call
the e-cam family.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, and that's the thing, you know, I've loved being able to just show up and help
people because I've got the same, you know, thing from, from you guys, you know, I've
got from Mr. Cameron, but junkie in Paul and Katie and Ken and Glenn and you and like
everybody else in the community.
I've received that, you know, I was once in newbie two at E-cam and I know what I know
because of you guys and because of the other people in the community.
So I would, yeah, I would definitely check it out again, not to tear up or anything,
but the community is a pretty amazing part of the software.
It is what to me, that's the best part.
Well, if you ask, you know, I do interviews all the time, what is the best feature you
have in the community?
You know, like, but I was like, you know what?
OBS or squadcasts or, you know, streaming, they can add those features.
No one can touch our community.
Our community is unfreakin touchable, Elliot and S. Like, we just, it's amazing.
So to me, that's the best part.
Awesome.
Well, thank you so much for, for being on the show today.
It was good.
You didn't ask me anything crazy.
No secrets had to come out.
So we're good together.
All right, everybody, that was an amazing episode with doc rock.
Thank you so much doc for being on the show and talking all about video.
And if you want to get your own trial of E cam, you can go to podcast answers.com/ecam
and that's E C A M M and that'll get you a trial of E cam.
Again, this is a Mac only software, but it's the very, very, very best streaming software
that there is.
And so definitely check that out again.
That's podcast answers.com/ecam.
And without further ado, guys, we will see you next week.
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