Doctor Stephen Hussey, welcome back.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Good to be here. Good to be back.

Part 3. Love having you on. Okay, so let's just

start. We, you know, we have a lot of new

listeners to the podcast who are new, not just to

the podcast, but to the idea of, like, what do we

even mean by the words quantum biology,

biophysics, bioelectricity, chronobiology, like,

what are you all, what are you people all talking

about and how is it different from all the other

stuff? So let's just kick off, like if you could

give sort of your, your high level framework, the

paradigm that you operate out of when you think

about humans and health and biology.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Well, I guess maybe this was intentional,

maybe it wasn't. But there has been, I think,

historically, maybe the last 200 years, I guess,

this push to make humans biochemical, to

understand humans or life in general as

biochemistry. And I guess kind of the focus has

been on that and it's influenced us to ignore all

the other stimuli that happen on this planet,

this universe. Different ways of, I guess

signaling is what you could say, or energy usage

or energy distribution or things like that. So,

so I think that when we talk about medicine, we

talk about biophysics or quantum biology, you

know, we're talking about how humans operate and

how that physiology works in many different ways.

So unfortunately, because of, I think nutrition

science and pharmaceutical science, that things

have come down to bio biochemistry. You know,

every medical student has biochemistry course. We

don't have quite quantum biology courses. And so

I remember you learn in there, you learn like,

okay, these molecules interact with these, and

then this step happens and this step happens and

this step happens and it's like this linear thing

that happens. And so that has led us to thinking

that we can control biology or influence biology

by taking this thing that affects a certain

biochemical pathway. And I'll never forget having

this realization that that was what all of

medicine was about, because I used to work in a

chiropractic clinic that was more or less down

the street from Virginia Tech School of Medicine

and Research Institute. And I would have all

these researchers come in or medical students,

and I'd say, what are you looking at? And they

describe some, you know, very small biochemical

pathway that they're investigating. And I was

just like, oh. And it was like that. And they

were like, I'm trying to, you know, manipulate

this pathway so that we can make a

pharmaceutical. And I'm just like, man, what a

reductionist way to try and understand something

or try and affect the body, you know, and so

we've kind of been.

So is it almost like that pathway was operating

in isolation? Like, I'm just going to manipulate

this one tiny little thing that's. But there was.

Without acknowledging that it may be interrelated

with everything else.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Exactly. And I like to think, yeah, and so that's

just kind of like reductionist. And it's like how

you're supposed to understand how something fully

works by studying one very small piece, let alone

one organ system or whatever. Like, because, you

know, medicine has all these specialists and

everything. So it's just. I was starting to think

about that because it was repetitive. Every

single one. I'd ask, they'd say, I'm studying

this particular thing. And I like to talk about

what I called. It's almost like an inform, a form

of inherited wealth. Like, you don't like, you

know, the. Like the scientists that are like the

heroes of history or whatever, that discover all

these things and these new techniques of studying

things. You know, the scientists of today are

just learning to stand on their shoulders and

take the next step. But there was no humility

gained in the process of learning that original

information. And so the scientists today just

take the next step. And they don't think about

the context of what that means for either the

entire organism they're studying or the universe

itself or all life on the planet. They're just

looking at it in these very simple ways because

we've got this technology to do that. And

research is largely funded by people with

interests that want to identify this pathway that

you can do something. So we're stuck in this

biochemical world. And then when I started

reading more and getting steered in the right

direction, you start reading all these other ways

that the body physiology operates or all the

different signals that they can get. And so now

we're talking about magnetism, we're talking

about electricity, we're talking about light,

we're talking about just different forms of

energy, vibrations, sound, all these different

things. And you start to realize that all of them

influence our physiology. And so we can't just

say, take a supplement or take a medication or

just eat food, really, and expect that

biochemistry to dictate how our entire physiology

is working. And so you look at deeper levels of

things and you start to see that, oh, the

mitochondria are emitting light, they're emitting

different forms of energy, and they communicate

cell to cell, like. And they create

electromagnetic field, and then a bunch of

mitochondria create a bigger electromagnetic

field, and then a bunch of mitochondria in a

tissue create a bigger one. And that's why we

have electromagnetic fields in the body. And

that's my. It's almost like how I'm reaching out

into my environment and communicating with it.

And then you see all the effects of just sunlight

on the skin or in the eyes and all the physiology

that that drives. And. And you're like, wow, this

is way more than just food. And it explains why

you know, people. The idea about health is like,

okay, diet and exercise, that's what keeps you

healthy. And the statistics show that more people

are exercising more and eating more whole foods

or better diets. Despite what, you know, this

epidemic of heart disease, people. More people

are trying to do that, but it's not working

right. We still have this epidemic disease

because we're ignoring all this physiology. And

the other aspect is, is that there's an. There's

a certain part of this that I. Or there's a

certain level of this I don't think we'll ever

fully understand. And I think that makes us. Or

it forces us to be humble about this. And instead

of trying to master the human body and study it

and change it, you know, manipulate it, that kind

of thing, with this biochemistry, we kind of have

to step back and be like, whoa. We just have to

put ourselves in the right environment and let

the body figure it out. Because, you know, in

mathematics, if you study the way two things

interact with each other, you can predict the way

those two things are going to interact. But if

you get a third thing, it becomes harder. If you

get a fourth thing and how four things are

interacting, that becomes harder. You get 100

things, it becomes impossible. And then that's

exactly how the body works. There's no lock and

key mechanism that this happens and this happens

and this happens and this happens. It's like

something happens and then a hundred other things

happen at the same time. So they call it

nonlinear reactions. And that's going to be

impossible to predict or control. So it forces

you. When you study quantum biology or

biophysics, it forces you to say, okay, I need to

put my body in the right environment of those

physics and the right stimuli, and then trust

that the body is going to do the right thing. We

just have to figure out what that environment is

and study how the environments have changed and

made it the wrong environment over the last

however many years. You want to say.

Right. So when we think about the idea of, oh,

just take this pill, There may be situations

where taking medication is obviously needed or

helpful, but the idea that you can take an

exogenous substance and put it into the body

without thinking about the environment that that

body is in. And the only response you're going to

have is the one that you want. Seems kind of

crazy.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or that there's not going to be side

effects or it's not going to affect other

physiology that you weren't even expecting. I

mean, in pharmaceutical science, they admit that

they're like, well, we were studying, trying to

make this effect and we saw the drug had this

effect, so we just use it for this instead.

Right.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: You know, they weren't, they don't know. Like

there's, there's all these unaccounted for

things. The things we can never, never really

figure out.

Right. And the one that's coming to my mind,

because there's a lot of discussion on this topic

right now on social media is our SSRIs or

prescription medication for mental health. Right.

And you have people on there swearing that it

changed their lives. And then you have people on

there saying that it made them suicidal and it's

the same. Right. Like they took the same thing.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

So, you know, how can you predict what the

outcome is going to be if. And it. Part of. I

guess what we're missing is like, what else is

going on for those people? It's not, they're not,

you know, in terms of what could affect the

consequence that that drug is going to have in

their body.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or even supplement. You know, I just

recently posted something about melatonin on

social media showing that it can stabilize plaque

and prevent plaque from rupturing. And somebody

on there was just like, well, we have to

supplement with it. Like, even though I was

saying, like, no, we need to, like, optimize

mitochondrial function and we need to set

circadian rhythm. That's how we get optimal

melatonin. And they were like, well, as we age,

your melatonin production declines. And I was

just questioning them. Like, well, you know,

that's probably true, but it's probably going to

decline a lot more if we're in this environment

that is not suitable or not hospitable to our

physiology. So we have to change the environment

too. We can't just take this thing and say, oh,

because I need more of it because it's declining

as I age. It's like, we also need to optimize the

environment. And so it's like, if we're, if

we're, if the message is, oh, just take more of

this, that's the wrong message. Like, you can use

supplements to Supplement your lifestyle. But you

have to tell the person about how to optimize the

lifestyle too, because I mean, there's pretty

clear in the research that, you know, melatonin

acts like as an antioxidant, but endogenous

melatonin production is way better than

exogenous, meaning taking it as a supplement. So

as far as antioxidant, so that who knows what

else that's better as better at when we put

produce it inside our bodies and get ourselves in

the right environment. Plus the process of

creating that environment for just optimizing

melatonin is doing so many other beneficial

things for you. So it's not reductionist now. Now

we're getting all the benefits rather than just

saying, oh, I'm doing this for this one thing.

No, you're doing it for everything, for every

single hormone. And that's kind of the message we

need to be giving people. And then here and

there, yes, we can selectively say, okay, let's

support you with this supplement or that

supplement, but if you don't get the environment

right, those things aren't going to work as well

anyways.

Right. And then the, like the cascade effect of

optimizing your environment is a beneficial

cascade as opposed to a cascade of side effects.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. Or unpredictable things.

Okay, so let's get into the heart, which is an

area of focus for you. You've written a book on

it and we talked about it a little bit in our

first interview. So let's circle back to what

your, you know, your take on the heart is in

terms of it. Our common understanding is that

it's a pump. You have a different point of view

and then you've also gone down even into like

some deeper layers of how you see the heart in

terms of our overall biology and perhaps biofield.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely. So, yeah, I mean, the term like

the heart is not a pump is thrown around a lot

these days, made pretty famous by Tom Cowan. And

I don't necessarily agree that it's not a pump

per se, but it's definitely not a pressure

propulsion pump, which is what it's thought that

it is. Like it's sucking in blood from somewhere

and then forcefully pumping out somewhere else.

That's not how the heart works. And there's a ton

of literature mainly. I mean, the best source for

most of that literature is Dr. Franco first book,

the Heart in Circulation. But yeah, so it's first

of all, if you just look at the heart and the

size of it, and there were studies way back in

the 17, 1800s that were when the original

circulation of the heart was being described or

circulation of blood was being described, that

cast a doubt on the idea that the heart of this

size could forcefully pump all the blood around

the body and, and do that efficiently. And

there's modern day studies that show that if we

look at the heart as a pressure propulsion pump,

it's about 30% efficient, which if you believe we

were designed or evolved or whatever, that's not

an efficient way to do something. So it must not

be its job or suggest that maybe it's not. Its

job is to forcefully move blood. And so there's

evidence with structured water and how blood

moves in other ways. Paramagnetism, electrostatic

properties, there's ways that blood moves through

the body that they don't require this pressure

propulsion pump. And they've actually shown in

Dr. Pollock's lab that when they stop the heart

of a chick embryo, the blood continues to move.

And they can create more movement in blood if

they shine infrared light on the arteries. And

they showed that too. Back in the 1940s and the

1960s, there were experiments done on dogs where

they stopped the heart and the blood continued to

move for up to two hours after the heart stopped

beating. So there's definitely a lot of evidence

to suggest that blood has other ways to move. And

so that begs the question of what is the heart,

why is it there, what is it doing? And the first

thing that it's doing is that it's actually a

vortex. I just read an 800 page book about the

heart's vortex and it was hard to get through

because it was very, very scientific, even lots

of parts above my head. But yeah, it's definitely

well recognized in the literature that as blood

moves through the heart, it is vortexed in many

different ways. Whether it's moving through

valves, the way that flows into the heart, the

way the heart contracts in a spiral, like nature,

like the heart is vortexing blood. And the reason

it's doing that is because of new vortex water,

which the blood is half water in the presence of

oxygen, which oxygen is always present in blood,

then it will become energized, it will become

more likely to become structured water when it

gets into the lining of the arteries. And when it

becomes structured water on the lining of the

arteries, that's what propels blood flow, that's

what keeps blood moving. So in a way, the heart

is responsible for blood flow in that way, but

just in a very indirect way. So that's one

purpose of the heart, is that it's kind of

swishing the blood around, which is the way water

is in nature. It's always moving and being

swished around. It's crashing on the beach, it's

rolling over rocks and rivers. It's evaporated,

precipitating, it's moving. And when water gets

stagnant in nature, like in a puddle or a pond,

it's kind of gross. Right. And so to keep things

clean and moving, we have to. We have to keep it

moving. But in laminar tubes, that doesn't do the

swishing around. Right. It kind of keeps things

moving linearly, and that can create less

energized water. So why is there this thing

placed right in the middle of the arterial and

venous circulation that swishes blood around?

Because we need it to be swished around. And

that's one role of the heart. Right. So, I mean,

again, like, if there was a pressure propulsion

pump, we wouldn't. Like, if you want to pump

water up a hill, you put the pump at the bottom

of the hill. So if we want to pump water from our

blood, from our feet to our head or whatever, we

put the pump at the bottom. But the. Our heart's

in the middle of everything, so it doesn't make

sense for it to be there if it was a true

pressure propulsion pump. So, yeah, there's other

mechanisms of blood movement, and the heart is

vortexing. And there's interesting studies that

show that when you increase the blood flow,

artificially increased blood flow, that the heart

actually just. The valves just kind of open and

let it kind of go through. And so we're not

talking about cardiac output, like the cart, the

heart is pumping out this fluid. It's more like

cardiac throughput, like the amount that's moving

through and they've increased the heart rate or

the artificially increased heart rate of the

heart and how much it's contracting. And the

blood flow stayed the same, like the amount of

blood moving through stayed the same because it's

just how fast it's contracting, it's not how fast

it's pumping. If you want to increase blood flow,

then you increase the cardiac throughput and how

much is moving through it. So interesting. So

that's the first role.

So is that why exercise is so good? We're

increasing that blood flow or infrared saunas or

what's happening to our blood when we move and.

And move and expose ourselves to healthy light?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of reasons why

those things are good, but one is, yes, you're

like, you're increasing tissue demand for blood.

And the tissue demand is what drives blood flow.

You know, if there's areas like if your tissues

start using up certain nutrients or oxygen or

whatever, then the concentration gradient of

those things and the tissues drops and the blood

is drawn to it because, you know, areas of high

concentration flow to areas of low concentration.

So if you deplete the tissues, the blood will

want to go into the tissues more. So that's

what's driving blood flow. And the heart is just

catching up. It's just keeping pace with how much

blood is moving. So yes, if you increase blood

flow by sitting in an infrared sauna because

you're building structures, water and lining the

arteries, increasing blood flow. Yes, your heart

rate will increase. If I go sit in the sun, my

heart rate will increase, not drastically because

I'm not creating a huge tissue demand because I'm

not exercising, but it'll increase because I'm

increasing blood flow. And the heart's just

trying to catch up. It's trying to energize or

structure that blood as it moves through there as

more blood is moving through the heart.

So what's happening if someone is out of shape or

not? Well, and they get out of breath very

easily, or their heart pumps really fast, really

quickly, even with minimum exertion. What's going

on with that?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's more like they're having trouble adapting

to stress, which exercise is a stress. So then

they start to try and exercise and their body

goes into an acute stress response, which is an

adrenaline response. And so when you're doing

that, you're telling your body we're in danger.

And so that's kind of this old evolved response.

And so that's having more of like a hormone

effect, signaling effect. Like your body's going

through this thing that it is not used to doing.

And it's like, something must be wrong. We must

have a stress response. So if they can't handle

that stress and return to normal, return to

homeostasis. That's poor health. Right. So

health. To me, one way to define health is the

ability to handle a stress healthily, adapt to it

and return to homeostasis. If you can't do that,

there's, there's poor health. So you could talk

about that as simple as a high glucose meal. You

know, can you handle that glucose meal, adapt to

it, use that glucose properly through insulin

signaling and then, and then return to

homeostasis. Normally if you can't, that's type 2

diabetes. You know, if you can go, you know,

sprint 50 yards. And you can handle that and your

body figures it out and then you can return to

homeostasis within a normal amount of time.

That's more healthy than someone who can't do

that. So that's more of like a stress response.

That's really interesting because we think about

it as, as being unfit, but the lack. What we're.

But what you're saying is unfit is our body's

inability to handle these different states.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, I'd say it's almost like a shock to the

body to do that when you've never trained it to

do it, you know, or haven't trained to do it for

a long time. And so the body's having a response

that's having a stress response. It thinks it's

under threat almost.

Right. So just one more thing on this, because I

heard, I think it was, it was Dave Asprey

actually, and he was saying that what he, what

he's come to in his understanding is that this,

the high intensity things that we do where we

like go really hard and then rest and then go

really hard and then rest is actually maladaptive

because in evolutionary we would go really hard

and then we'd be out of danger and we'd, we

wouldn't keep doing it over and over. So his

recommendation was more just like, sprint really

fast one time instead of over and over and then

let your body recover. What are your thoughts?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: I mean, I, I don't know what our ancestors did

exactly. You could theorize, you know, but they

may have had to sprint a few different times if

they were on a hunt, you know, a few different 50

yard sprints or something like that. But yeah, it

wasn't excessive. I mean, once they caught the

meal or didn't catch the meal, they're like, all

right, I gotta recover. Especially if they didn't

catch the meal, they really gotta recover because

they're not getting any, any nutrients to replace

or whatever. But I would tend to agree with them

that you could probably get the same benefits

with one sprint. You know, there's really good

evidence that we're spending way too much time

working out. You know, I, for the last two years

now, I've been like, when I do lift weights, I

just do one set to failure. I do a push exercise,

a pull exercise and a leg exercise to failure.

And I have maintained and gained muscle from

doing that. So I'm like in there for 15 minutes.

I almost feel guilty, you know.

Wow. So when you say to failure, it's like you

just do it till you can't do it anymore. And then

you stop.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you really have to push. Like, it's. At

first, it's hard to learn to go to failure.

You're kind of like, oh, I'm tired. It's like,

no, not tired. Like, you need to go to where.

You, like, you literally can't move the thing

even, Right.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: You have to. You know, if you're lifting weights,

you gotta be careful with that. You gotta make

sure that it's like a machine or something, or

you're really safely set up on a squat or

something like that. Cause it's kind of intense

to go to failure with those types of lifts. But,

yeah, it's more efficient. I want to buy a weight

set for my garage and do it so I can open the

garage and work an outdoor light. But it's like,

I can't justify buying that expensive of a thing

if I'm in there for 15 minutes twice a week. So,

yeah, I just go to the gym. But yeah, and then

other forms of exercise are good too, but you can

get the same benefits. So doing that kind of

stuff so it makes sense, like, you challenge the

tissue, you tell it wasn't good enough, and it

rebuilds stronger.

Right? I've heard that story. I mean, I hear that

story from everyone who has adopted a sort of

quantum circadian lifestyle that they just don't

exercise as much and they're in better shape.

Like, they still exercise. I'm not saying they

don't, but this idea that maxing out on the

hardcore exercise is the only way just doesn't

seem to be the case.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: And it's kind of a misnomer of like, doing

cardio, you know, because, I mean, cardio, like

getting your heart rate up and, and. But even

just walking or whatever is. Is good for you, but

more cardio is not good for you. Like, if you do

like super long endurance type stuff, that is.

That is not healthy, in my opinion. It causes

more inflammation because again, we're. We're

putting ourselves in that stress state for too

long. And there's people that argue that we're

born to run. There's a book about it even. But if

you look at lots of studies, especially

cardiovascularly, people who've run more long

endurance races have more scar tissue in the

heart, they have more atherosclerosis because

they're just in this higher inflamed state. And

people argue, well, were these people on

carbohydrate diets? And maybe they were, maybe

they weren't. But regardless, the response to

exercise is a hormetic stress. It's an

inflammatory thing. And so you want to do. It's

like there's a Goldilocks amount. You want to do

enough of it to tell your body to get better and

adapt to a stress better, but not overdo it. And

I think that we've kind of overdone it or we've

been programmed to overdo it if we don't get to

the gym, you know. But Dave Asprey's one to say

that, like back when he was unhealthy, he was

like, man, I was in the gym all the time and I

was just still super unhealthy. It wasn't

working. He was probably making it worse at that

point by inflaming the body without being able to

adapt to it, because there's other things he had

wrong about his environment that were wrong. So,

yeah, it's interesting, but you can get very

efficient exercise done in a very quick amount of

time that's just as effective. And the book Body

by Science by Doug McGuff, he's been doing that

for 30 years in his clinic, helping people

maintain muscle mass in that way. And he's got

all the stats and data to show it.

Oh, cool. We'll have to link to that book. We've

talked about the heart in terms of the new

paradigm function of the heart, which is as a

vortex. We have the blood circulating through

various mechanisms, not necessarily being pumped.

The heart is a vortex that swishes it around,

keep it fresh. Like the same way we want our

spring water bubbling over the rocks and not

sitting in a stagnant pond. Tell me about where

you're at with the, say more esoteric meanings

and importance of the heart.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, if you look at like every single

ancient cultures, like writings about the heart,

whether it's ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Indian,

Chinese, even Egyptian, they, they all describe

the heart as. I forget which one it is. I think

it's Chinese that tastes the orchestrator of the

body. And they, they describe it as like almost

the seat of the soul. You know, this is the

understanding. And it wasn't like all these

ancient civilizations were all talking to each

other, had the same thinking or philosophies. But

they all came to that conclusion and so they were

right. You know, I think that every organ has an

electromagnetic field. It gives off. But the

hearts is the largest, which we'll get to. But

they felt that, I think they didn't necessarily

have to have any concrete proof or measure

anything. They just. That's what they felt. And,

you know, there's a reason that we, I think,

associate the heart with our emotional state. And

we say, I love you with all my heart. And we say,

I gave it all my heart. You know, you can put

your mind to something, but when it comes to

emotion, you're usually talking about your heart,

not your kidneys or whatever. And so I don't

think that's by mistake. However, in this really

interesting story, it was King Charles, I think

it was. So there was this Irish nobleman who had

fallen and injured himself, and he. And it, like,

broke ribs and they kind of broke apart and it

abscessed. And it healed, though, but it healed

in a way that his heart was visible, you know,

and there was no, like, you know, open wound or

anything. Like, it healed, but it healed. Like

you could see his heart. And so he became like

this guy that traveled around and, like, charged

money for people to see his heart beating and

stuff like this. Anyways, he was near London and.

Or near wherever the king was in England. And the

king heard about it and he told William Harvey,

who. William Harvey is a very famous physician

because he was the original person that described

the circulation of the blood. That's what he's

known for. He wrote Dumotu Cordis, which is the

book that describes that. And he was the king's

personal physician at the time. And he said. He

said, find that guy and bring him here. We want

to see this. And so they brought him in and they.

And they go and they examine the heart. And

William Harvey notes that, you know, he was able

to feel the. The man's heart and feel it beating

and right there. And he said, with no offense to

this man, so. Meaning that. That the guy couldn't

feel it. Like you're touching the organ and he

couldn't feel it. You could feel, like the

outside you're touching him, but he couldn't feel

when you touched him inside. So he said it kind

of led to this idea that the heart has no senses.

There's no, like, no feeling, you know, combined

with the fact that Harvey also described the

mechanical circulation of the blood in the body

and saw the heart as kind of this pump that was

driving that circulation. That's when I forget

when this was. I think it was like 1600s or

something. I don't know. That's within. The idea

started to move away from the heart being this

seed of the soul and, you know, I guess sensor of

our emotions and things like that, more toward

this mechanical organ. And that's kind of taken

Off. And then now we're coming back full circle

with the work of Roland McCready and the

HeartMath Institute. And we're finding out that

the heart does have this very large

electromagnetic field that allows it to touch or

sense not only our external environment, but also

kind of orchestrate or sync up the entire

internal environment, all the other organs. So

all the other organs, electromagnetic fields are

being sort of aligned with how the heart's

electromagnetic field and what it's feeling. And

then the most fascinating thing is that we've

also got studies now that we've, we've I guess

developed the ability to do heart transplants is

that there are studies that show that, that

recipients of a heart transplant tend to take on

characteristics or personality traits of the

donor. So there's something about the emotion or

personality or something that is stored in the

heart and maybe, maybe all organs as well. But

since the heart has the biggest electromagnetic

field, like what they do is they. They interview

the people in the donor's life and they interview

people in the recipient's life and the recipient

themselves. And they find that anything from like

preferences in music, art, sexual preferences,

career preferences tend to show up in the

recipient from what the donors were that were

different than before. So it's fascinating.

There's way more to like memory and to our

tissues and probably stored in structured water

in the body. But when you transfer it to somebody

else, it can change them a little bit. So I think

that the ancients were onto something in that

this was the seed of the soul. This kind of made

us who we are, where lots of our personality was

stored or emotional personality was stored maybe.

And so it's very interesting. That's the, that's

the third role of the heart. I mean, we've all

been heartbroken, you know, and there's actually

a disease that can happen when you become

heartbroken. It's called Takatsubo

cardiomyopathy, which is basically broken heart

syndrome. You develop heart failure because

you're broken hearted due to extreme emotional

states. And there's mechanisms of heart attacks

that can happen due to imbalanced stress

signaling to the heart. Emotional stress

signaling can trigger a heart attack if you get

into the right situation. And I've talked about

that in other places and I talk about that in my

book too. So there's this extreme emotional

connection to this organ. And so I think that it

is what allows us to a create what they call

coherence or unfortunately convey incoherence.

And so we talk about, from a quantum aspect of

Things and quantum biology and how the body

works. We're talking about interbody

communication and how our body communicates

externally to the environment. And it doesn't do

that through biochemistry. It does that through

biophysics. It does that through the fascia

system in our body is conducting information and

electrons and protons all throughout our body.

And the mitochondria are communicating

electromagnetically as well as through light

signaling and reactive oxygen species signaling

and quantum entanglement. When two molecules get

entangled and they separate and they're still

communicating from a distance, all those things.

And then the heart's electromagnetic field is

kind of like sensing all that or monitoring all

that and picking up your level of interbody

coherence, interbody communication that's

happening and it's sensing that, and it's

conveying that information to the brain. And we

have evidence that it conveys that

electromagnetically as well as neurologically

through nerves. And there's more signals from the

heart to the brain. And then the brain is picking

up the messages. The brain is always just an

interpretation center, sensing our. Or like

picking up all the information that we're sensing

from our environment, interpreting it, and then

relaying it to the body so that it can have the

appropriate response. But the sensory information

or the emotional sensory information is coming

from the heart to the brain. And so then the

brain responds accordingly. And so it's. It's a

very important role because if you think about

senses and what the senses allow us to do, they

allow us to interact and respond to our

environment. And a species or an individual that

cannot interact or respond to his environment

doesn't last very long. And so because it can't

change, it can't react to it, get out of harm's

way or whatever. And so that's a very, very

important role for the heart and it's especially

important for humans because we have this unique

ability to worry and think about things in a way

that other species can't because of how large our

prefrontal cortex is. I'm not saying that other

species don't, but we have a cognitive ability

that's much higher. We're, as far as I know, the

only species that can think our way into a stress

response just by overthinking something or seeing

something happen to somebody else and then

feeling like, fearing it's going to happen to us,

you know, or seeing something happen halfway

across the world that doesn't affect our life at

all, but stress being stressed about it, you

know, and that's one of the issues with, with

Media and being able to, you know, information

being pumped all over the world, is that our

physiology is not necessarily designed to handle

all that. But yeah, it's, it's, it's fascinating

when you, when you dig into that and you also

realize that this organ is what allows us to

connect to others. And heart coherence, like

someone who's incoherent is able to. Is able to

relate and connect to others in a more healthy

way. And someone who's incoherent feels like

they're on their own, they're isolated. You know,

if you can't reach out and touch and feel the

things around you and the people and the living

things around you, you feel isolated. It's like

alone in a crowded room sort of thing. And it's

what we describe with people who have depression.

They kind of become isolated, they feel isolated.

Even if they have people around them, they can't

reach out and feel them. And it's because they

have this incoherence. And that could be from a

lot of different things, from past traumas that

people have, or physical or emotional traumas or

just poor mitochondrial health. I mean, we think

about what Chris Palmer's doing with low carb

diets and fixing people's mental health by

changing their mitochondrial health. And there's

probably way more they could do as well as diet.

But we're seeing the impact that they're having

because we're changing their mitochondria,

increasing their body communication. Their

heart's picking up on that. It's conveying to the

brain. We're getting more coherent signals, and

the person is now interacting with the

environment more. And then maybe I've said a lot

of things, but the most fascinating thing I

think, is that it appears that this very large

electromagnetic field that is being created by

the heart is a result of the fact that a, there's

a lot of mitochondria concentrated in the heart.

It's one of the tissues with the highest density.

The brain, the eyes, the heart have very high

amounts of mitochondria. And like I briefly

mentioned before, the mitochondria are creating

electromagnetic field. And you concentrate a lot

of mitochondria in an area that get a bigger

electromagnetic field. But the brains are similar

mitochondrial content to the heart. So why is the

heart so much bigger? It's because the heart is

spinning like this. And when you vortex or spiral

electromagnetic field, it amplifies the field

significantly. And so it's the only organ in the

body, aside from the lungs, that is moving. And

it's moving in a way that spins. So it's creating

a toroidal force. This is just amplifying this

field and that's why. And so if you get someone

with heart failure and the heart is not

contracting like this and the spinning nature, it

starts to become like a basketball and it's doing

this, their field significantly drops and that's

a problem. Right. Also the poor mitochondrial

function in people with heart failure too, that's

one of the causes. So we're starting to

understand the symptoms these people are having.

They're getting lack of blood flow. There's more

likely to be depressed when you get heart

failure. And there's debate about whether that's

because they have heart failure that's not

improving or because I would say that the

coherence is interfered with because

electromagnetic field is smaller. But the

electromagnetic field and the torsion seem to be

coupled together. So we don't know which one's

creating which because there's evidence that a

torsional field will create an electromagnetic

field, an electromagnetic field will create

torsion. So I don't know which one it is. They're

very coupled together. If you mess with one, the

other's probably going to be off. But it's a very

kind of delicate system that's put together and

lots of things about our modern day environment

are affecting that. Like my go tos for people

with arrhythmias and heart failure are EMF

environment. Past trauma could be as simple as

just low electrolytes and then oh gosh, what's

the fourth one? Circadian rhythm. So like all

those different things, those four things, like

you have to set those things and create coherence

for the heart to get back online, whether it's

arrhythmia or heart failure.

So much to think about and so interesting too

about the magnetic field of the heart because we

hear about that a lot, but it's because of the

motion. And for example, I know in my work as a

coach, if I'm supporting someone to start a new

business or create a new offer, if their heart's

not in it, if it's like a purely mental

construct, I know it's not going to work. And

I've. And it's interesting because you're now

giving me the scientific reason why. Right.

Because the, what we put out in the world is

coming emanating from us. And if our heart's not

in it, it's not. There's no field like the, the

possibility to entangle is reduced, would you say?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, the ability to Reach out into your

environment and sense things is reduced. And if

you can't sense your environment, how can you

make educated decisions? But I just thought of

this when you were talking. Think about it. If we

see something stressful or we see something that

may be a threat, our heart rate increases. And

the traditional, I guess, thinking about that is

that you're trying to deliver nutrients to

tissues in case you need to run away. You know,

you need to supply those tissues with nutrients,

oxygen, whatever. And that, that's interesting.

That could be. But it could also serve us in that

if we increase the heart rate, we're increasing

the, you know, contraction of the heart in this

spiral nature, which may be amplifying the field

more, which means we're becoming hyper aware of

our environment, we're reaching out further and

we're like, hey, let's sense the environment,

let's keep ourselves safe. So there's more than

just this biochemical reason why we would have a

stress response. Right. It's putting us on high

alert in many different ways.

Absolutely. And then similar to that, but a

different situation would be if, like, I just

started a new type of meditation and I noticed

that I have a much higher alertness after, like

that. The way you just described it, when we

sense danger, all of a sudden it's heightened.

But we can also get there other ways which would

make sense if the meditation is creating

coherence.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, you're coming back into your heart space.

People would say, right, and if you're coming

back into your heart space, you become more aware

of things that you were distracted from by your

mind. Because there was this even like in ancient

Roman or ancient Greek philosophers, there was

kind of this divide. Like some of them thought

that, you know, the heart was the seed of the

soul. And then they were starting to say, maybe

it's the mind. Because they were, I think they

were probably becoming a bit arrogant about

knowledge they were gaining because it was a time

when lots of knowledge was gained potentially. I

don't know, but they were coming toward the mind.

And so coming back into your heart space, you,

you learn to interact with the environment. You

notice more things about your environment than

you would if you were just in your mind. You were

only thinking about what your mind and what your,

what your senses. You know, like you're seeing in

front of you right then and there. Rather than

coming back into a more reflective state and

noticing things and what that means and that kind

of stuff.

It'S having intuitions and.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, because then, like, if you think about it,

if you're stuck in your mind, you're stuck in the

present, you know, but if we talk about, if we

talk about the heart being what accesses, you

know, you know, your, the ether around you. And

if everything, all consciousness is stored in the

ether, then of course you're reflecting about,

you know, past, present, intuition. You're

getting all these different information from

time. That's not right now like being distracted

by right now, you know, because it's the organ

that allows us to connect to that. So. Or if

you're reaching out to someone else with your

heart rather than with your mind and trying to

force them to do something, but you're reaching

out with your heart, you're probably going to

learn a lot more about them and understand them a

lot better because you're reaching with that

heart which allows you to see not just what

you're seeing, the behavior you're seeing in them

right now, but probably a lot more information

about them from their past or whatever. It opens

you up to seeing those types of things.

So cool. I love these conversations and it's, you

know what I love too is that like I've been

contemplating these ideas for a while and I

always was like, okay, I have to go to the woo

Woo people and everything that most of the things

they say make sense and feel true. But it didn't.

But then the science people would be.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Like, no, no, no.

And now it's just like open season everything.

Like the looking at life through the idea of

physics is just like a whole new, we're in a

whole new paradigm, a whole new world. Like all

of these things just make sense.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's the thing is that like, and you

stuck, you're stuck in the science world, the

biochemical science world. Everybody's just

trying to prove that different biochemical

equations are more, more important or prove this

or prove that. Whereas when you get into this

space, there's a lot of science, right? And we

see a lot of science and we're saying but they

were also like, but we know that's true, you

know, because we feel that, you know, we, that

science just explained that we're like, yeah,

that makes total sense because I felt that before.

It's funny when I talk to people like from the,

from, from the woo world or the energy space and

I give them like the, you know, two, two line

explanation of quantum biology and say, you know,

like it's showing or proving that there are

quantum effects happening inside living systems.

They, oh, the, the woo woo people are always

like, people didn't know that.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: They lost touch with it because they're living in

this is news.

Like, they just, like they're just looking at me

like, well, of course that's how it works. Like,

who doubted that? Like, well, yeah, everybody

else. Okay, so I want to wrap up on a topic

that's a little bit tricky, but I think really

worth talking about and helpful to talk about.

You sort of framed your, your take on biology for

us at the beginning has, has a lot to do with the

structured water in our bodies and interbody

communication and how, you know what, obviously

what we put in our body is having an effect from.

Through this paradigm is having an effect beyond

what you would anticipate through a biochemical

model. Okay, now we are talking. It's 20, 25. A

few years ago there was a mass rollout of a new

pharmaceutical product that was injected into

many, many millions of people's bodies. And as

we've been learning over the last few years, of

course had a cascade effect that was

unanticipated because they're working out of a

old fashioned model of biology. However, that the

effects of those injections are still, you know,

we're still grappling with them. Some of the

effects were immediate, some of them were a

little longer term. So we're a few years out from

the major rollout now. And I know that you're

very well versed and very well researched on this

topic. So I just wanted to hear where you think

we're at, what you think is going on with those

products and for people who took them, if there's

anything that they can do.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, well, I have kind of been like, I had been

kind of loosely aware of these things and just

like kind of paying attention to them and keeping

up with, you know, the, the news and stuff was

coming out and. But I was reading a book by

Gilbert Ling, I don't remember which one of his

books I was reading, but he was talking about an

experiment that he did and he was using ethylene

glycol to inject into cells. For some reason, and

I can't remember the reason because I was so

blown away. I was like, ethylene glycol. I was

like, I know that substance. And then I was like,

I think that's in these injections. So I went and

looked it up and in fact, in two of the brands,

polyethylene glycol was in them. And polyethylene

glycol is by definition just a string of ethylene

glycols. They've Put.

Which is what for us?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, ethylene glycol, I think actually

polyethylene glycol is like antifreeze. Oh, yeah.

So if you sprayed it on your frozen car window,

it would melt it. Or you. You put it to something

if you don't want it to freeze.

Yeah, but isn't that the stuff. They're like,

careful while you put this. So your dog doesn't

get it because it's toxic.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, definitely.

Okay.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And, you know, there's polyethylene glycol

in a lot of different products that we. That

people, maybe not you and I, I don't know,

consume on, on a regular basis. It can be in,

like, toothpaste, it can be in a lot of different

things. But however, when you ingest it, it

doesn't seem to be that much of an issue. Your

body seems to get rid of it pretty easily. It has

the mechanisms that just get rid of it. Even if

you absorb some of it in your liver, gets rid of

it pretty easily in those small amounts anyways.

However, if you inject it and go past those

barriers that use to eliminate it, that can cause

a problem. So anyways, what Dr. Ling found was

that he was injecting it. And again, I don't

remember why he was doing this in his experiment,

but he would inject it into a cell, the ethylene

glycol. And at first he saw the cell would start

to shrink a little bit. Just like very briefly,

it would shrink, and then it would just all of a

sudden start to expand. Like, the CE would get

huge. So if we think about what's in the cell, a

cell is largely. What largely fills the cell is

structured water. And so structured water is. So,

like, when you take water and you freeze it, it

becomes less dense, or so it just expands. Ice

expands. That's why if you put. If you freeze

water in a glass bottle, it'll break the bottle.

Right. However, structured water is actually more

dense. So it kind of shrinks. So if we get liquid

water, the space that the water is becomes more

dense. Right. And so that's what a cell is. Is

this. This more dense structure water or a large

portion of the cell is this more dense,

structured water? And then he injected

polyethylene glycol into it, and he saw at first,

like this, very momentarily shrinking and then

just expanding. Right. So what was happening is

that the structured water was being destroyed and

it was going back to liquid water, which means no

more area. Like, it creates bigger. So basically,

ethylene glycol was destroying structured water.

And that's what he found, that it interfered with

structured water's ability to form. So you take

that and you realize that here it is in these

injections.

And then, okay, sorry, I just want to make sure I

have it. So the cell is made of structured water.

Gilbert Ling did experiments for unknown reasons

that don't matter, but he put this ingredient

into the cell and it damaged the structured water.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yes, like it broke it up and it turned, it went

back to liquid water because there's liquid water

in the cell.

So it like pulled it out of the fourth phase and

put it back into regular water, right?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, it caused a phase transition. Right. You

know.

Okay.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Away from fourth phase back to liquid water. And

that created this swelling of the cells, which is

exactly what happens when we get swelling in our

tissue. Right. If you, if your tissue swells,

it's because there's a damage. The status quo is

damaged. It can't maintain structured water. And

we start to get the swelling of the tissue while

this healing response happens. And there's also

blood flow increases to the area and lots of

things happen to try and heal it. But that's one

reason that we get swelling. So anyways, so then

I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. So now

we can understand that there's a certain

ingredient. And then there's also Polysorbate 80,

which is in the other two brands that we of the

injection that were out there. And it's been

shown to have similar like effects to

polyethylene glycol or ethylene glycol. So

anyways, so we're injecting this past. We're not

ingesting it so we can get rid of it pretty

easily. We're injecting it right into the

tissues, which is surpassing that natural

mechanism. We're not supposed to have things

injected necessarily.

Was the thinking, oh, this is non toxic because

when people ingest it, they're able to get rid of

it. Or was there just not any thinking was, who

knows?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: It could have just been that, you know, for these

types of things to quote unquote, work, there has

to be something to aggravate the immune system.

Maybe that was it. I don't know. I'm not sure

exactly why they use them. I didn't go too far

into that, but they're in there.

Okay.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: And so if we look at that and we recognize that

now we've injected this, you know, large amount

of stuff that can destroy structured water. Well,

you know, look at some of the side effects of

these injections. And it's not just these

injections, it's other injections too. It's just

likely that other toxins do the same thing. But

when you look at the side effects, one of them

you just have a local reaction, right? A red

response, kind of a histamine reaction to that.

And so if you look at what the way, the way we

get a histamine response or one way we get a

histamine response is if the voltage of a cell

drops too much and that makes mass cells which

make histamine unstable. And if they become

unstable, they start releasing histamine like

crazy. And so what holds the charge?

Say that again. Can you say that one more time?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: So the charge of a cell, the voltage of a cell,

which if you learn, study the physiology, you all

know there's this net negative voltage of a cell.

And that net negative voltage is what makes the

cell stable. And if we get a drop in voltage,

then that can make mast cells unstable. And the

mast cells are the cells in the body that release

the things in the body that release the mast cell

or the histamine. And the histamine response is

what makes you itchy and have this red response,

you know. And so if you look at structured water

is what holds the negative voltage in a cell.

It's what gets the cell, it's net negative

charge. So if you inject something locally there

that interferes with structured water formation,

now there's no net negative charge being held,

and it's more likely to drop that voltage. You

drop the voltage. Mast cells, when you drop the

voltage, makes them unstable, they start spewing

out histamine and you get this red response,

right? So that can happen locally if the person

is in a compromised state already, which is why

we see more issues with type 2 diabetics and

things like that, then this can be a systemic

response, and that's anaphylaxis and that's life

threatening.

So that's like I get stung by a bee, I get, I get

a red welt. But someone else goes into

anaphylactic shock, right?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: So it just depends, same stimulant or what

they've learned to be reactive to in the past,

right? What their body's learned to be reactive

to. So that's one thing. That's one thing that

happened with them that we can explain. Another

thing that happened was clotting, Excessive

clotting happened. And so I've spoken a lot

about, I'm sure on the last or the first podcast

we did that we talked about how heart disease is

caused by clotting. And the way you prevent

clotting biophysically is you build structured

water in the arteries. Because when you build

structured water in the arteries, it keeps blood

moving, it protects the lining of the artery, and

it keeps blood thin or all the elements above,

even in space. And that prevents clotting. If you

inject something that breaks down structured

water, you're highly predisposing someone to

clotting because you're getting thick, stagnant

blood. You're. You're taking away the protection

lining the artery, which now it can be damaged.

And you're interfering with blood flow when you

tear down structured water. So stagnant, thick

blood is going to clot. And so that's exactly

what we saw with these things. We saw excessive

clotting in people. Another thing we saw was high

blood pressure. A lot of people had high blood

pressure. And so again, if you destroy the

structured water on the lining of the artery or

you make it less likely to form, and the

structured water is what's moving the blood

through a tube. Well, if the, if the blood in the

tube is not moving fast enough, how does the body

get it? One way the body gets it to move faster

is you constrict, right? Just like if you put

your thumb over the end of a hose and water comes

out faster because you're decreasing the area to

which it can travel. The same thing, you

constrict the blood vessel and it moves faster,

but it also creates more pressure. And so you're

increasing blood pressure. So again, that could

be a pitomechanism there. Another thing that we

saw was myocarditis or pericarditis, inflammation

of the heart. And the kind of the sacs, I guess,

that contain the heart, the connective tissue

sacs that hold it where it is. And so myocarditis

is inflammation of the heart muscles themselves,

the muscle cells. And then pericarditis is the

pericardium around the heart was getting

inflamed. And, you know, itis means inflammation.

And so what's happening there is that structured

water is in the cells. And it's also not just in

the cells, but it lay. It lines our tissues,

right? And structured water also is. Creates a

frictionless barrier. So if, like, it's what

forms when you ice skate on ice, there's

structured water forming on the ice as it slowly,

like, instantaneously melts. And then your. Your

ice skate is sliding across it. And so this is

frictionless barrier. So you grab the ice out of

the freezer and it sticks to you, and then it

melts and it slips right out of your hand. Right.

Because the melting of it, you're forming this

layer of structured water there. And so it

creates this frictionless barrier. And so if you

look at heart cells the way they are, they're

heart muscle cells. They're lined up like they're

connected by these intercalated discs like this,

and the one after the other. And so they create

these tubes of muscle. So when it contracts, the

muscle kind of slides back and forth as it

contracts as one. Right. So you get two of them,

they're sliding past each other like this.

However, if there's no structured water between

them, creating a frictionless barrier, guess what

you get inflammation. Myocarditis. Right. The

other thing is that the. The pericardium and

between the heart and the pericardium, there's

also structured water that lines that. Those

spaces between it. This is everywhere. It's

between cells, it's everywhere. That gives it

this frictionless barrier. So let's say you

inject something that destroys structured water,

and you have two of these barriers next to each

other, and that frictionless effect is not there.

It's going to create inflammation. So why didn't

we see inflammation of the liver, inflammation of

the kidneys? Why not? Why did it happen in the

heart and the lungs? Pleuritis. Because those are

the organs that are moving in the body.

So they rely on that.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Right.

That friction on that structured water for that

frictionless movement.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And so when you get. Especially the heart,

we saw that more because again, the heart is

moving more frequently and faster than the lungs.

So we saw it in there. And then lastly, we saw

increases in cancer. Right. And so what cancer

is, is everybody says cancer is a metabolic

disease. And there is definitely a metabolic

component, and mitochondrial health is key. But

it's not that. It's not that the mitochondria are

like, not making enough energy or not making

enough ATP. It's. I mean, it is kind of that, but

it's really that what's. When the mitochondria

don't function, the cell can't hold its voltage.

And so there's plenty of studies that show that

when cancer cells are. They don't use oxygen,

meaning the mitochondria aren't functioning well,

and that they. They have a pH, a higher pH or

lower pH mean, meaning they're more acidic. And

so more acidity means less negative charge. And

so they've lost their voltage. Right. And so the

reason that happens is because, I mean, the more

traditional way that it happens is that you get

poor mitochondrial function, mitochondrial damage

from toxin exposures, poor metabolic health, poor

mitophagy, that kind of stuff. All that stuff

doesn't happen. And then the mitochondria aren't

producing enough ATP. ATP is not unfolding

cellular proteins giving water surface area to

structure itself on. So if you don't get that,

which is what the purpose of ATP is, is to unfold

proteins. It's not to power the whole cell or the

whole body. It's to unfold proteins so that

there's surface area to hold charge, to hold

energy, which is structured water. If you don't

get that, then you can get into a cancerous state

or a cell can lose its voltage. And when a cell

loses its voltage, it loses its ability to

communicate and function properly. And then it

goes into survival mode and it starts rapidly

dividing because it doesn't see itself as part of

a whole. It sees itself as one individual cell

that has to survive. So it starts rapidly

dividing, and its progeny do the same thing. And

so that's what cancer is. And so that's kind of

the more traditional route of coming to cancer.

However, you could also introduce something that

destroys structured water directly. And you turn

these cells, who may or may not have functioning

mitochondria, maybe that stuff damages

mitochondria too, but it also interferes with the

body's ability to structure water in the cell.

And then the cell is more likely to lose its

voltage and become cancerous. And so they're

calling them like these turbo cancers because the

body can't get rid of these things. Because you

look at most people, their detox pathways are

shut down. They're completely shut down. They

have stagnant fluid in the body. The blood flow

is not moving well, the lymph is not moving well.

They're not sweating on a daily know I've met so

many people who can't sweat. They just. They try

to and they can't because there's just detox

mechanisms are shut down. Their liver is backed

up and not supported properly. They may have

constipation, like their detox mechanisms are

shut down. And that's a lot of people in this

world.

And detox mechanisms being sweating, pooping,

what else?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Just the liver itself functioning properly. But

if the liver is always dealing with all the

toxins you're supposed to every single day, it

can't do that as well. Plus it's not supported

well enough because it doesn't have the right

nutrients, collagen, B vitamins, things like that

that we largely get from animal foods. Like those

things are important for the liver to do the

conjugation phases of its detoxification. So all

that stuff is. And then just static lymph, it's

just not getting out, you know, because we have

bound up fascia, because we're not in infrared

light, we have scar tissue in the body, things

like that. The lymph is just not moving. People

are just not moving in general where, you know,

people are living sedentary lives. And so all

that stuff is just, we're not getting rid of this

polyethylene glycol or polysorbate ab or whatever

else is in them. You know, we're just not getting

rid of them. And so with that, we get these

people that are just, you know, perpetually in

this state after this injection. And I'm, I'm of

the opinion that the process of getting sick from

any viral type illness is similar to this because

it's just a toxic response to the body. Like the

body has been introduced by a toxin and it could

be environmental stuff that triggers it, or it

could be directly introducing a toxin via an

injection or something. So it's just your body

having a detox response. But that's. So it's the

same thing. It's the same kind of response. So

you could be struggling from the vaccine or

illnesses. You know, they could go on

perpetually, which is an issue.

I've heard that a lot from people. Like they'll

get the flu and it'll last for like, they'll have

symptoms for like a month.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

Or a cold that goes on for like weeks and weeks

and weeks and weeks. Like the body doesn't seem

able to resolve just a normal.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: It's in a seasonal state.

Detox properly.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And that's what it is. I mean, I mean you

think about it like if you get it this type of

illness and it gets bad enough, your body mounts

a fever to force you to sweat and, and that's

what happens. And then that's the way it was in

the old days. Oh. And they, you know, they, they

broke their fever, you know, they sweated it out

and then they were better. Yeah, it's just like,

that's. Makes a lot more sense to me. So that's

what it is. And it's a similar reaction when you

inject something that your body can't get rid of

because your detox pathways are shut down. So the

first step is charge your body, give Your body

the energy it needs to then eventually get rid of

this stuff. So charge your body means sunlight,

grounding, avoiding toxins. It means metabolic

health. So good energy sources, food energy

sources, but also grounding and sunlight, like we

said. And it means avoiding emf, things that

steal the charge, avoiding artificial light that

steals the charge, all those different things. So

allow your body to actually charge up its battery

and then open up detox pathways, then start to

open things up. So fix constipation in whatever

way you need to. It could just be that you're not

drinking enough water or electrolytes. You know,

start sweating, whether that's. If you don't want

to exercise, get a sauna or sit in the sun. Like,

start sweating. Start getting lymph moving. Like,

lymphatic massages are great. You can do them on

yourself. You can have someone else do them.

Like, let's start getting stuff moving. Address

the scar tissue in your body. Support the liver

with B vitamins and collagen and things like

that. Which, again, eating whole animal food

sources is best. But, yeah, all that stuff. Once

you start doing that, if you've charged up the

body, you get enough energy, and then you open up

the pathways, it'll get rid of stuff. It's really

good at doing that. We're just in environments

that are interfering with all that.

Amazing. And I love that it's relatively simple.

I find for people, the biggest barrier is, like,

realizing they should do that. Whenever I talk to

someone who has a lingering illness, which was a

lot this winter, I'm like, you know, there's an

infrared sauna place just in the next town over.

It's only 10 minutes away. That would really

help. And they're like, oh, yeah, okay. And I'm

like, all right, I'm not gonna.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, the other aspect of detoxing is circadian

rhythm, like, getting melatonin levels higher so

that you. When you do sleep, you're actually

detoxifying at night. If you don't get that

signal, you won't. So it's like I tell people,

it's like, you never took the trash out in your

house. If you're not doing that when you sleep.

If the. If you're not making enough melatonin.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

In addition to other things, melatonin is a

detoxifier, is what you're saying.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Well, yeah, it stimulates the. Like, if you're

talking about mitophagy and autophagy, lymphatic

drainage and glymphatic drainage and gut lining

repair and artery repair, like all that stuff

like detox and repair happens at night if you

have adequate melatonin. So again, that means

mitochondrial function, but it also means getting

that pineal melatonin by blocking blue light

after sunset and optimizing that for sleep so

that you get into that deep, restorative, healing

sleep.

Amazing. Well, Steven, thank you so much for

coming back. This was really fun. We went to a

lot of places. I feel like this was like four

different episodes in one. It's good. It's great.

So tell me how people can find you. There is an

opportunity to see you speak live at the event in

June. The Wild Retreat. Did I say the name?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: I said it.

Tell us about that.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. So, well, people can find me on my website

is resourceyourhealth.com and all the stuff.

So. Resourceyourhealth.com r e s o u r c e

yourhealth.com yes. All right. We will link to

that in the show notes, but I know most of you

are driving or whatever, so.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Resourceyourhealth.com yeah, and all the stuff

I'm doing is on there.

And you're on the socials.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, social media.

What's your IG Social?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Dr. Stephen Hussey. Stephen with a pH.

Yeah, pH s t e P H E N H U S s e y. Dr. Stephen

Hussey.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah. And then, yes, I will be at the Return to

Nature event, speaking. And that is in the June.

End of June.

End of June in beautiful Tennessee. We'll also

put a link to that in the show notes. Keep doing

the work you're doing. And that was. I just want

to wrap up like, that is an incredible take on,

on the shots. Have you. Is that like something

you pieced together because you happen to read

that Gilbert Ling research, or are people

understanding that that could be part of it?

Dr. Stephen Hussey: That's something I just pieced together. And it's

one possible mechanism. There's obviously

probably other mechanisms by which they could be

causing harm. But that's one that I, when I

figured that out, I'm just like, oh, well, that

can explain, you know, the, the high blood

pressure can explain all the different things if

you know. But I also knew previous information

about structured water. So having that previous

information, I was like, oh, well, then I can

explain it all.

Yeah. And you are likely one of very few people

in the world who would have had a place to put

all.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Those things together or would be reading Gilbert

Ling.

Exactly. You've read Gilbert Ling. You understand

structured water and you're reading the

ingredient list on pharmaceutical products.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah.

Yeah. Well, that's what we're here for. That is

why this podcast exists, because we love to hear

what you're all learning, and it's so important

and makes such a difference to our lives. So

thank you for all your amazing work, and thank

you for sharing it with us.

Dr. Stephen Hussey: Yeah, thanks for having me on.