Welcome to tax bytes for expats. The top tax tips
Speaker:you want to know as an expat, the podcast is here to help
Speaker:answer the common queries and concerns expats have when moving to
Speaker:or from Ireland. Complex taxes explained
Speaker:simply, we'll focus on the irish and international
Speaker:tax issues to be aware of to ensure you save time,
Speaker:money and stress.
Speaker:Hi everyone, hope you're well. Welcome to this episode of
Speaker:tax fights for xpaths. Thanks to all the new
Speaker:listeners. We've had joy in recent months, and for the
Speaker:people who frequently on calls tell me that they listen, it's great to
Speaker:hear that we're getting people joining and listening, and please feel
Speaker:free to contact us and let us know what topics you'd like us to talk
Speaker:about today. I want to talk about the five top
Speaker:tips to think about if you're planning your move to
Speaker:Ireland in the context of your taxes. We've covered
Speaker:each of these things throughout all the episodes, but I thought it might be good
Speaker:to have a brief episode for people to take away
Speaker:five things I'd like them to think about in advance of their
Speaker:move. So just me, as you've probably gathered,
Speaker:and we'll jump straight in. The first one would be around
Speaker:understanding your tax residency status. So we've
Speaker:spoken about this previously. Compared to some of the rules that we see in other
Speaker:jurisdictions, the irish tax residency rules are relatively straightforward.
Speaker:As a reminder for anybody who hasn't heard us talk about it
Speaker:before, it's a days test. We're looking to count the
Speaker:number of days that you have in Ireland in a calendar year. If you exceed
Speaker:a certain number of days, you're a tax resident. It's quite straightforward in that
Speaker:regard. The tests that we're using or measuring
Speaker:are 183 days in a calendar year
Speaker:or 280 days over the course of two years. So
Speaker:those two points are ones to be aware of. And
Speaker:by using those tests, you can answer the question, am I an irish
Speaker:tax resident in the year I move? And if not, when will I become
Speaker:one? In addition to that, under the tip of know
Speaker:your residency status, I always think it's useful to
Speaker:understand your tax residency position in the country that you're
Speaker:leaving. So this probably feeds
Speaker:into the second tip, which is consider having
Speaker:advice or a tax return preparer in both
Speaker:countries, particularly in the year you move. Why do I
Speaker:say that? Well, if we think about some of the countries
Speaker:where we have clients come to us from to
Speaker:list them, you know, the US, Canada, Australia, UK
Speaker:to name but a few, some of those jurisdictions
Speaker:have what are called exit taxes, so they can,
Speaker:in certain circumstances, not all impose a tax
Speaker:on an individual when they're leaving the jurisdiction. It's
Speaker:not in every case, but it's always good to have a
Speaker:conversation with the tax advisor when you're planning to leave a
Speaker:country to check whether or not there's any implications in
Speaker:terms of income or assets you have or any actions that they'd like you
Speaker:to take. So the second tip is get two tax return preparers,
Speaker:one for the country you're leaving and one for the country you're arriving
Speaker:in. Because, as we've mentioned many times on
Speaker:this podcast, the value in tax advice
Speaker:is generally much greater if taken in
Speaker:advance. In other words, take advice when planning
Speaker:and avoid, if possible, taking it after the fact.
Speaker:That's not to say there is no value to advice taken after the fact. It's
Speaker:just generally easier for us to provide solid advice before you
Speaker:move. So that's the second tip. Get two tax return preparers on that
Speaker:point. We're frequently asked and contacted and asked,
Speaker:can you do my us and irish return? Can you do my irish and my
Speaker:UK return? Can you do my irish and insert other
Speaker:country here return? The answer is no. And the
Speaker:reason for that is we are chartered tax
Speaker:advisors. We are registered with the Institute of Tax in Ireland. We are chartered
Speaker:accountants and practicing members of the Institute of Chartered
Speaker:Accountants in Ireland. Both those bodies regulate us
Speaker:and they have CPD requirements. That's continuing professional
Speaker:development for anyone who's not familiar with the acronym charge. Fees have
Speaker:obligations and many, many different aspects
Speaker:to, I suppose, how we operate as
Speaker:practitioners. And what's common in
Speaker:practice in Ireland is, and globally, not just in Ireland,
Speaker:is that it's very, very rare to have a tax advisor who
Speaker:is qualified and able to advise you on two jurisdictions at the
Speaker:same time. And that's across the board. Whether you go from
Speaker:the big four accountants to your local accountant on the
Speaker:street, it's just very rare. So this is a common
Speaker:misconception that there is people out there who do both. They may
Speaker:exist, they are rare in practice, but that doesn't mean that we can't
Speaker:solve the problem, because what's the problem? The problem is that you have an
Speaker:obligation to file a return in Ireland. You have an obligation to file a tax
Speaker:return in, for example, the US, Australia and UK.
Speaker:Spain, Italy, Portugal, Netherlands,
Speaker:Canada. I'm listing places where we have a solid
Speaker:referral network. So my point is this. A good advisor will be able
Speaker:to connect you with somebody in the other location where you have a requirement, they'll
Speaker:be able to work with that person. So you should be able to, as a,
Speaker:as a client, step back from the process and let the two advisors do their
Speaker:thing, work together, make your life easier, and do what they
Speaker:are qualified to do, which is to deal with the questions, obviously with the
Speaker:expertise of understanding the international angle in their own
Speaker:jurisdiction. Third tip, know your tax domicile.
Speaker:And if you don't know, speak to somebody who can give you advice on it.
Speaker:Good, solid advice. Tax domicile, from an irish perspective,
Speaker:is such an important concept, and it's so frequently misunderstood
Speaker:by clients. Why do we focus on it so much? Well,
Speaker:in Ireland, there's a special basis of taxation. It's known as the
Speaker:remittance basis of tax. Very simply, it means that
Speaker:if you are non irish domiciled, you are not
Speaker:required to pay tax in Ireland on foreign income
Speaker:or foreign gains until you bring the income or gains to
Speaker:Ireland. So the implications of this vary
Speaker:depending on the taxpayer's profile. But it's such a
Speaker:useful thing to understand and take advantage of, and you can't do
Speaker:that until you're clear on your tax domicile. So speak to
Speaker:a tax advisor, get advice on your tax domicile,
Speaker:and please resist the urge to self assess your domicile position,
Speaker:because particularly if your situation is slightly complex, it can
Speaker:be quite difficult to self assess correctly
Speaker:without expert input. The third
Speaker:tip is understand the tax system. So a
Speaker:couple of small points that might be helpful for anybody who's listening, whether you're
Speaker:a returning irish person or somebody coming to live in Ireland for the first
Speaker:time. Few small points about our tax system. It's calendar year.
Speaker:So you're moving from maybe an April deadline in the UK,
Speaker:a June deadline in the Australia
Speaker:December deadline, or year end. I mean, in the US
Speaker:to calendar system here in Ireland. So it's quite similar to the, to the us
Speaker:system in that regard. If you come to Ireland and you have an
Speaker:obligation to file a tax return, let's say you move in 2024,
Speaker:you have to file a tax return that year, because we've determined that there is
Speaker:an obligation to do so. You must do so by the 31 October and the
Speaker:following year. So it's quite a long lead in period of time
Speaker:where you need to, before you need to do the return. But one
Speaker:important point, if you have, if you move to Ireland in
Speaker:2024 and you have to do a tax return in 2025 by the deadline
Speaker:that we mentioned, and you have a tax payment to make, there's a preliminary
Speaker:tax system here, which very simply means you are in a prepayment
Speaker:situation with your taxes. And if you've moved to Ireland in the first
Speaker:year, you don't have to pay preliminary tax. You can choose to do so if
Speaker:you wish. However, when you come to do your tax return in
Speaker:2025, you'll have to pay your 2024 bill and
Speaker:prepay your 2025 bill. And what that means is if you haven't
Speaker:budgeted for the taxes, when you get to the payment point in October
Speaker:2025, you're going to have a big outlet. So understand
Speaker:how the system works, understand how it applies to you. And
Speaker:again, sounds like a broken record, but try to do that in
Speaker:conjunction with an advisor so that you get the best outcome and the correct one
Speaker:the first time. The fifth point is learn to
Speaker:navigate Revenue's online system. Learn to use their website,
Speaker:work out whether you are going to be using
Speaker:their my account system, which we've had a recent podcast
Speaker:episode with Alan Purcell, who I explained really, really well how
Speaker:that works and who it's for. Are you using my account, which is a
Speaker:simple online system broadly designed for people who
Speaker:are employees and who have low levels of other income,
Speaker:or are you required to register via revenues? Online
Speaker:system so, for example, of people who are retiring to
Speaker:Ireland or coming to live in Ireland and who might have foreign investment income
Speaker:are required to register for revenues. Online service, which
Speaker:is an online system whereby longer form
Speaker:tax returns, called colloquially in the industry form eleven
Speaker:s, are lodged. Everybody can log on to revenue, ie, and
Speaker:familiarize themselves with the system. There's some really good
Speaker:information on revenue's website, and I think revenue
Speaker:recently installed a chatbot as well, where I think you can engage with it. I
Speaker:haven't personally used it, so I'm not too familiar with how functional it is,
Speaker:but it's a useful thing to know. But I would say this, and just
Speaker:bear this in mind, we do sometimes work with clients who
Speaker:ring revenue and try to engage with them about
Speaker:complex international tax issues. If you don't get a clear
Speaker:answer, or you're struggling to get traction, it's not just you. Revenue currently,
Speaker:are you struggling to deal with the volume of queries they're getting? I
Speaker:understand that they're also recruiting internally to try and build up their staff,
Speaker:but the point is this, they don't exist as a tax advisory
Speaker:service. So if you're struggling or you're finding it difficult to get answers to
Speaker:questions which might of course seem basic or
Speaker:simple, consider speaking with an advisor,
Speaker:just to try and get to the root of the issue quickly and resolve it.
Speaker:So there are five high level points that you might take away. Hopefully some
Speaker:of them have been helpful and that would be applicable for some, not for
Speaker:others, and broadly geared towards people who are in the planning
Speaker:phase or have recently moved to Ireland. And if you want
Speaker:me to help you with any of the issues you're facing, check out the show
Speaker:notes. It'll refer you to expat taxes, ie, where you can book a
Speaker:consultation with myself directly or one of the team who'd be more than
Speaker:happy to help. And this is what we do day in, day out, helping clients
Speaker:of ours navigate the stressful time that is planning their move to
Speaker:Ireland. But yeah, drop us a note
Speaker:infoxpataccess ie and let us know what you'd like to hear us talk about,
Speaker:and we look forward to catch up with you next time.
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Speaker:in connection with the matters dealt with in this series. The
Speaker:material in this podcast is intended to give general guidance only.