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Today is our 10 minutes of tennis.

And in this case, 10 or 4 today, but that's all right.

We are on island time because we are talking with Justin Yeo,

World renowned tennis Pro, Australian in Puerto Rico,

Justin Yeo. Today we are talking about the analytical mind versus the visual mind,

and what that could mean for my game or your game, in this case, the listener.

So first, define the analytical mind versus the visual mind,

and then we'll dive in. Excellent.

Well, I'm going to throw it back at you.

What's your intention? My interpretation of the analytical mind versus the visual mind.

There you go.

I think I'm a little stuck on this one because I think I'm a bit of both.

So for me, since I haven't necessarily studied this like you have,

for me, I understand coming out of schooling, how this would look,

for me to be able to say, okay, I need to understand

that the elbow goes here or the shot needs to go there in this order,

the chest style of looking at something my brain does.

But also, if I don't see it, I don't quite wrap my head around it in the same way.

So maybe I'm viewing it differently than you do,

but I feel like I'm a little bit of both.

Yeah, well, let's make it probably a little easier,

but now the analytical mind tends to be a mechanical person.

So they break down things into candies.

They want to know, you know, step one to step 10.

I'm on this one, so I think, um, commonly, a visual person,

you only give them two or three for person.

But a mechanical or analytical mind,

can tend to look at things that more of a mechanical way.

And you have to learn to express that way because if you're trying to demo,

they're not getting the mechanics that they're looking for.

Some people really want to know the devil, where they're hinge,

where they're supposed to be, where they're in turn of their attention to the shoulder,

where they should be.

They want to know these 10 things, like to hear a ball, right?

Whereas I'm a complete opposite.

You show me a demo and I did do it.

But when we say, you know, everyone can argue,

but if they say 75% of the world,

visual learnings, hence why we had so much appetizing and it was so much money,

because we absorb everything visually, mostly.

But it is an interesting concept that you can be talking to someone,

who is, could be, I claim them as usually,

counties, not to, you know,

what's the word, I look at, discreetly, it's not a certain character about them,

but they're very analytical.

They're very numbers, they're very mechanical and engineers, same thing.

They need to break things down.

They look at things in multiple micro things that most of us don't think of.

That's what makes them do they are.

But when we're talking tennis, sometimes if you're talking to a person like that,

try to think about how you express teaching them,

because you could be more successful or, in the end,

they're very, they're a lot happier with your style of expression.

And that's sort of where it comes down to analytical and, you know, visual.

There is a middle ground, like you said.

Some people like just enough mechanics and just enough demo.

So it's a, it really is an interesting concept between the two, but I like,

what I've noticed over the years from a lot of experience,

is you can't find some sort of people on complete both sides of the spectrum.

And if you break that, like find that ability,

you can control the way you teach it.

So is this, is this going to combine with the big five personality traits as the humans,

to where we've got our different types of how we are as people?

Because in this case, this would change how I would make my initial assumption in working with

males versus females. And in some cases, to be able to say, okay, make that a little bit of assumption,

say, is this the way to go? But from a coaching point of view, it's probably easier to just ask.

But then that sounds too easy, because maybe most people don't know the type of learner they are.

Yeah. So you bring up a different point when you talk male-female, right? Because female

tends to have a lot more elements going on within their thought pattern than a male does.

And that's again, not saying, mean that, you know,

simpler, men can be simpler. See ball hit ball a little bit.

Yes, I'm not going to talk about IQs and

murder and smartness and dumbness. What I'm saying is how brains operate differently.

And that's been scientifically proven.

Right. And so a female will tend to rotate on a lot of different elements. So in tennis,

it's best to try to limit those and keep it simple, because they already are

what we would call analytical, because they're looking for so many details.

But if those details are certainly all the time, then decisions are made.

Then it's hard to pick one or two versus all ten.

And that's where the confusion comes on a tennis ball for a female.

On the male side, sometimes they need a little more detail.

So it makes them actually do the extra pass that we really should do.

Versus just smack the ball so to speak. So, you know, again, it's a balancing out between visual

and analytical, mechanical versus fluid. I've probably based my whole career and trying to

make people fluid, because I think if they're fluid, it gives them more chances of playing

tactical. It gives them more chances of working on their perception of what's happening on the

core and how they should play. It also gives them a chance to think more external while they're

playing versus internal thinking breaking down the stroke while the ball's coming.

You see, so I've focused heavily on being fluid, but I've met a lot of analytical minds,

like a very good friend of mine here. There's a hedge fund guide.

And every time I talk to him, he's giving me ten things, ten things about what he's working on

and he's four hands. I'm like, "Oh, sorry, man. You need to swing and hit the ball."

You know? But in that case, it's a little bit of changing how someone is naturally. And maybe that's

one of the things we like about tennis and we like about sport. Whether it's the coaching side to say,

"Oh, this is fun. We get to take someone who is one way and try to encourage them to be a little bit

different." But then as a person, sometimes it allows us to be outside of ourselves a little bit.

So you know what? I'm normally really structured, but for me, I can tell what kind of person I am.

I can tell my personality traits by the way I play tennis because there is zero structure to my tennis.

Yep. And that's very similar to everything else is just artistic. I'm going to find a way to get it done,

but it's not just linear in that one, two, three, four kind of way.

Right. I mean, you can look at it even just from the play side.

You know, Nip Curios couldn't be analytical, but if you try to structure things too much, it takes away

the fun. And maybe that's also where he brain works is that he just wants to enjoy flip and have a good

time. And that's where he's brain can handle. And then when you look at people like, uh, uh,

sinner a little bit, I would say more, you know, Algarais, some of these other plays play a little

more attention in detail that you've been offered in details when they talk about the match.

They talk about how they structured things and whatever. You talk to Curios, you want to tell you

how many unforce there is in May or whatever, you just sit, I suck today. You know, you felt good today

or felt bad, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so again, that's a little bit more. But that doesn't mean he doesn't

know the unforged errors. It's possible that he knows them. Yeah. It's more of just kind of a cloudy

information that just says, eh, overall bad or, eh, overall good. Yeah. And again, it just gives you

a bit analytical. We have a bit of a balance for both because if some people pay attention to

detail, I like the detail and want to want to respond or change it or learn and grow, then I would

say they have a little bit of that same, you know, the mix of both because if they have all the way

on the other side, man, that's a tough one to play this sport if you're totally analytical. That's

what my buddy is. He's in the battle of, he's in a battle of hitting 20,000 balls of days on the

court for hours and hours and hours because he's mechanically trying to get this right. And I'm just

going to make it feel in the show and he's doing so many things. The looseness of how he hits the ball,

you can tell there is none because he's thinking, like he's mechanically thinking so much as he hits the

ball. So, elasticity almost doesn't exist in his, his swing, you know. Yeah. And in that case, you

need to kind of, as a coach, we're encouraging you. So Justin, if I can ask for one thing, the coaches,

we know, we've got to figure out how to speak to the player. We need to be able to talk to them where

they are and maybe drag them out from inside the box periodically. But speaking to the player, Justin,

if you're going to give them a little bit of ability to maybe know yourself a little better as a

player, if you're going to give us a little temet note, Jay here and say, know yourself, how do I

find out a little bit more about myself and my analytical versus visual?

If someone, if you watch TV or if someone does something in front of you and you just seem to be able to

repeat it straight away, it gives you a real understanding that you're a big visual learner.

And there are, that has a real clear identifier, right? That you can demos in front of someone

and then you, all of a sudden, the first three strokes, they do exactly the way you show them.

And then they go away and start going, hitting the way they were. It still shows that the more

there's demo and the more freely demo or shadow swings are happening, the more chances they have a

replica of what you really want them to do. On the other side, on an analytical side, I actually

would say that if my buddy, if I knew him, I mean, really close, but I don't work within the

Byzantine headspace. But what he needs to spin the analytical side into it is learn the structure

of the game more and put that, that breakdown of all these things he wants to know, put it down into

tactical and structure and strategy and trying to put his head out that way. So he can look and

look at the finer details that teach like learnt learning, let him play the game in a more mechanical way,

versus stroke wise. So I would say someone's very not very visual and they're very mechanical,

try to put the mechanics out towards the core first in internally into the stroke. Got it, I love it.

Justin, thank you so much. This has been 10 minutes of tennis. Justin, we'll see you next week.

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