1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:07,520 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,480 My name is Ross Stackhouse. 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,480 I'm the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,680 From the beginning, our heart was to be a church for people who 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:18,400 don't fit neatly into church. 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,560 Our heart is to meet people where they are, to learn their stories, 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,120 to honor their stories. 8 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Because in every human story is God's story. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:31,160 In this podcast, you'll hear more about the people who now call 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Heaven Earth Church home. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,840 Their stories, in many cases of misfits who are discovering or 12 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:38,040 rediscovering faith. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,360 If you want to know more about. 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Us, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org Otherwise, we 15 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,080 invite you now into the story. 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,480 Hello, good people. 17 00:00:48,480 --> 00:00:53,160 Brad Miller here, the producer of the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 18 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,160 One of the main benefits of being a part of the Heaven Earth 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:03,270 Church community is our Sunday morning conversations taught by founding 20 00:01:03,270 --> 00:01:05,590 pastor Ross Stackhouse. 21 00:01:06,550 --> 00:01:11,270 You can watch and participate in the Sunday morning conversation 22 00:01:11,830 --> 00:01:20,310 this Sunday morning, 9:30am Eastern time at YouTube.com heavenerthchurch. 23 00:01:21,270 --> 00:01:26,160 The audio version of the Sunday morning conversation is available 24 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,880 here on the podcast, which you can find at Apple Podcasts, Spotify 25 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:40,320 and on the website, which is heavenarthchurch.org let's now join 26 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,240 Heaven Earth Church pastor Ross Stackhouse with the message 27 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,020 on Fire Pentecostal. 28 00:01:50,170 --> 00:01:54,050 Okay, let's pray and then let's find out what the heck this 29 00:01:54,050 --> 00:01:54,330 is. 30 00:01:54,330 --> 00:01:55,610 What's going on up here today? 31 00:01:56,010 --> 00:01:56,810 I'm not sure. 32 00:01:59,290 --> 00:02:00,210 Moment of silence. 33 00:02:00,210 --> 00:02:02,650 First, let's practice stillness and silence together. 34 00:02:05,290 --> 00:02:09,450 Let's revolt against the busyness and hurriedness of our culture 35 00:02:11,050 --> 00:02:13,050 and be quiet and still for a minute. 36 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:16,100 Foreign. 37 00:02:20,260 --> 00:02:22,580 Anoint us with your holy fire God. 38 00:02:25,620 --> 00:02:30,260 As we sang today, let us become more aware of your presence. 39 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:34,580 If I asked you to be here today, it would be silly. 40 00:02:36,500 --> 00:02:38,020 Because of your heart and your grace. 41 00:02:38,420 --> 00:02:43,150 You beat us to this place, so help us to be aware of you here. 42 00:02:44,670 --> 00:02:46,750 In Jesus name, amen. 43 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:55,830 So my sorry, we're going to have to go without a stool today 44 00:02:55,830 --> 00:02:57,550 because there's something in the way. 45 00:02:58,270 --> 00:03:00,030 So bear with me. 46 00:03:00,030 --> 00:03:02,950 While it might be throwing you off, I'm going to stand up and talk 47 00:03:02,950 --> 00:03:03,270 today. 48 00:03:03,270 --> 00:03:04,270 Is everybody all right? 49 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:05,470 You good? 50 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,760 I don't know if you know it, but a lot of other preacher types 51 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,280 do this all the time. 52 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,400 So a few years ago, several years ago, I. 53 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,080 I like to do a pack in camp at Shade State Park. 54 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,800 Anybody ever been to Shades? 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,640 Ever done the pack in tent like so you go about two, two and 56 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:34,730 a half miles in with your gear and then you set up and you, you, 57 00:03:34,730 --> 00:03:35,570 you do your thing. 58 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:45,090 So I tell My nephew at the time, who's not much experienced 59 00:03:45,090 --> 00:03:49,970 in wilderness life, he's like, I want to go camping. 60 00:03:50,690 --> 00:03:53,450 I was like, do you want to do, like, this kind of camping, or, like, 61 00:03:53,450 --> 00:03:56,690 we drive up and then set up a tent kind of camping? 62 00:03:57,090 --> 00:03:59,010 He's like, I want to do that kind of camping. 63 00:04:00,500 --> 00:04:04,100 So the way it works at Shades is you can let them know in advance 64 00:04:04,420 --> 00:04:08,620 that you need firewood out at your site so you don't have to carry 65 00:04:08,620 --> 00:04:11,620 firewood two, three miles in. 66 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:17,780 So I have a tradition when I do, like, pack camping. 67 00:04:18,580 --> 00:04:22,900 This might sound gross to you, but, like, I love to roast bratwurst 68 00:04:22,900 --> 00:04:25,900 as, like, my celebration that I made it and got camp set up and 69 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:27,300 then eat those at the. 70 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:31,060 So I got those packed in my camp, and I'm like, dude, wait till 71 00:04:31,060 --> 00:04:32,200 we get there and have this. 72 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,440 This is the glorious pinnacle of this. 73 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,200 This hike we've got. 74 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,960 All we have to eat for the entire, like, the night for breakfast 75 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:44,240 is Brworth stone ground mustard and some buns. 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:44,720 That's it. 77 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:46,160 That's our dinner. 78 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,440 That's our midnight stack. 79 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:48,480 That's breakfast. 80 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:49,920 I'm good. 81 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:52,960 So we hike in. 82 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:54,160 Great hike. 83 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,580 It starts raining, which, you know, is unfortunate. 84 00:04:59,580 --> 00:05:00,660 I'm like, ah, that's fine. 85 00:05:01,220 --> 00:05:02,180 I'm not worried. 86 00:05:02,820 --> 00:05:07,300 Well, we get there, and bummer. 87 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:08,900 The. 88 00:05:08,980 --> 00:05:14,180 The firewood that they gave to us was completely soaked. 89 00:05:15,860 --> 00:05:18,580 Clearly not just from this rain that happened. 90 00:05:19,540 --> 00:05:22,260 Like, they clearly kept it out somewhere. 91 00:05:23,390 --> 00:05:26,710 So, like, it was like, hey, let's get this firewood as wet as 92 00:05:26,710 --> 00:05:30,830 we can get it and, like, really give this guy, these guys, 93 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:32,190 a survival challenge. 94 00:05:33,310 --> 00:05:34,190 And I'm like. 95 00:05:34,270 --> 00:05:37,070 I'm trying not to show my nephew that. 96 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:40,870 I'm actually a little bit, like, not worried, but, like, it's 97 00:05:40,870 --> 00:05:41,550 gonna be a while. 98 00:05:43,390 --> 00:05:45,510 So, like, I'm like, hey, man, don't worry about this. 99 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:47,190 I've done this a thousand times. 100 00:05:47,190 --> 00:05:48,750 This is fine, you know? 101 00:05:50,030 --> 00:05:55,830 And so I'm working hard to, like, kind of strip down some of 102 00:05:55,830 --> 00:05:59,310 this firewood, like, to get, like, to get to some dry. 103 00:06:01,310 --> 00:06:08,350 I am working on this fire and working on this fire and working 104 00:06:08,350 --> 00:06:08,910 on it. 105 00:06:09,710 --> 00:06:13,310 My nephew, I see him finally sitting over there doing this. 106 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:15,960 He's asleep. 107 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,240 I've ruined camping for his life. 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,720 I've taught him, like, this is what camping is like. 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:37,240 And we just kind of sat there, wet, frustrated, hungry, let down, 110 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,320 and some of us are experiencing faith just like that. 111 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:47,320 Just like that. 112 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:51,800 You've been traveling for a while. 113 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,400 Maybe you've been traveling with some optimism, and you keep 114 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,920 trying to draw from the depths for hope. 115 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:10,870 You keep trying to find like, optimism in this journey and it's 116 00:07:10,870 --> 00:07:12,990 harder and harder to come by. 117 00:07:14,030 --> 00:07:17,910 And even when you've gotten to your quote unquote destination, whatever 118 00:07:17,910 --> 00:07:24,470 that was, there was no warmth, no light, and you just didn't have 119 00:07:24,470 --> 00:07:27,390 the skills or the strength anymore to keep trying to build it. 120 00:07:30,830 --> 00:07:32,430 And to you, that is life. 121 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Anyone with me? 122 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:46,960 You ever been there for us? 123 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,599 The hardest thing about being human, the hardest thing sometimes 124 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:53,480 is that perception is reality. 125 00:07:56,200 --> 00:08:00,600 How we perceive things to be for us is how things are. 126 00:08:05,090 --> 00:08:09,290 And we are so like that is one of the hardest, hardest things about 127 00:08:09,290 --> 00:08:09,890 being human. 128 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:12,450 Our perception is a gift. 129 00:08:13,250 --> 00:08:14,850 Our senses are a gift. 130 00:08:15,650 --> 00:08:16,969 All is gift from God. 131 00:08:16,969 --> 00:08:21,250 And yet those can be the very things that distort our reality about 132 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:22,130 how things are. 133 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:28,940 So let me stop and ask you a question. 134 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,500 If you were to dig into your life for a minute. 135 00:08:33,980 --> 00:08:39,180 How are you struggling today with that perception is reality problem? 136 00:08:40,540 --> 00:08:41,900 Here's what I mean by that. 137 00:08:43,100 --> 00:08:46,860 If you were to dig in, like what, what have you made a reality 138 00:08:46,860 --> 00:08:47,580 in your mind? 139 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:56,510 Like, this is just how life is and it's based on perception for 140 00:08:56,510 --> 00:08:56,710 you. 141 00:08:56,710 --> 00:08:57,750 You've been through an experience. 142 00:08:57,990 --> 00:09:00,950 You've been through something where you, you perceived something, 143 00:09:00,950 --> 00:09:02,270 you, you experienced something. 144 00:09:02,270 --> 00:09:04,950 It was real, the experience was real. 145 00:09:05,590 --> 00:09:07,670 A lot of your perception was, was real. 146 00:09:07,670 --> 00:09:08,710 It wasn't wrong. 147 00:09:08,870 --> 00:09:13,750 But now you've made that into like how you think life really is. 148 00:09:15,190 --> 00:09:17,510 Can you think of any examples of that in your life? 149 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:23,440 Yes. 150 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,200 Yeah. 151 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:26,320 The inner critic. 152 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:29,760 Anybody got an inner critic that's always keeping them company? 153 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:32,400 There you go. 154 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,040 That's a great example of how that inner critic, the voice of shame, 155 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,520 can determine our reality. 156 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,320 Right? 157 00:09:43,930 --> 00:09:48,090 Especially, especially folks when we're, we're confronting grief, 158 00:09:49,690 --> 00:09:52,490 loss coming out of trauma. 159 00:09:54,170 --> 00:09:54,730 Woo. 160 00:09:56,330 --> 00:10:01,210 Trauma makes can make some of the most empathetic, strongest, most 161 00:10:01,210 --> 00:10:02,650 wonderful people in the world. 162 00:10:03,210 --> 00:10:06,650 But healing from trauma and not like carrying the shame with 163 00:10:06,650 --> 00:10:08,970 you from the trauma is tough. 164 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:10,090 Anybody else? 165 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:11,130 Perception is reality. 166 00:10:11,130 --> 00:10:14,290 You made something, an experience, a perception that you 167 00:10:14,290 --> 00:10:18,710 gathered or been struggling with your reality and it stays with 168 00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:19,030 you. 169 00:10:20,630 --> 00:10:21,710 See for Steve. 170 00:10:21,710 --> 00:10:22,230 So he. 171 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:25,590 Steve, man, looks like we got to vote for inner critic. 172 00:10:27,430 --> 00:10:34,430 That person that's the false self running the show saying, you're 173 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:34,710 a. 174 00:10:35,110 --> 00:10:38,150 Gosh, you are such a screw up. 175 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,160 What'd you say? 176 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:44,320 Yeah, sorry. 177 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:49,680 That voice is wrong. 178 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:50,160 Steve. 179 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,600 I'm just playing back what you said, brother. 180 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,520 Did I deliver that line a little too well. 181 00:10:58,480 --> 00:10:59,040 Sorry. 182 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:01,280 Anybody else? 183 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Debbie said. 184 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:11,380 Debbie talked about how her mother is in at Otterbein senior 185 00:11:11,380 --> 00:11:16,060 living facility in Franklin and she feels she loves Spending 186 00:11:16,060 --> 00:11:16,940 time with her mother. 187 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:19,260 She wants to spend time with her mother. 188 00:11:19,420 --> 00:11:22,620 But constantly there's a voice saying, you're not doing enough. 189 00:11:25,260 --> 00:11:26,940 You are not doing enough. 190 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:32,300 And sometimes she'll come home and her lovely spouse Brad will innocently 191 00:11:32,380 --> 00:11:34,460 say, hey, you weren't gone very long. 192 00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:37,270 And in a sense. 193 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:41,070 But she internalizes that because the critic, the. 194 00:11:41,070 --> 00:11:43,270 The false self is driving her life. 195 00:11:45,510 --> 00:11:50,870 Not that true, refined, ignited Holy spirit life. 196 00:11:52,790 --> 00:11:53,150 Yeah. 197 00:11:53,150 --> 00:11:54,470 So Jason's wrestling with. 198 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:55,190 For a long time. 199 00:11:55,190 --> 00:11:57,990 He was a stay at home dad and really embraced that role. 200 00:11:58,150 --> 00:11:59,430 What a fabulous role. 201 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:09,880 Jim Wallace, who was the founder of Sojourners, I believe 202 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:10,720 he's the founder. 203 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:15,640 I once heard him say, jim, this is an organization that's doing 204 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:19,800 justice work, an evangelical organization doing hardcore social 205 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,240 justice work, all over advocacy work. 206 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,400 He said, the most important thing many of us will do, it's not 207 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:28,080 the only thing. 208 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,580 So if you haven't had children, that's okay. 209 00:12:30,740 --> 00:12:33,740 But he said, the most important mission many of us will 210 00:12:33,740 --> 00:12:36,900 ever fulfill is being a mother or father. 211 00:12:38,020 --> 00:12:39,300 So Jason had this. 212 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:43,620 He embraced this role, but now he's got these conflicting voices, 213 00:12:43,620 --> 00:12:49,460 like, hey, dude, because his kids are out, he's what we call label 214 00:12:49,460 --> 00:12:50,500 empty nester. 215 00:12:51,140 --> 00:12:52,180 Time to make money. 216 00:12:53,140 --> 00:12:54,260 What do you do with that? 217 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:54,740 Yeah. 218 00:12:55,310 --> 00:12:55,710 All right. 219 00:12:56,830 --> 00:12:57,190 Yeah. 220 00:12:57,190 --> 00:13:00,710 So that's a great example of, like, when others project expectations 221 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:01,390 onto us. 222 00:13:01,390 --> 00:13:03,990 PT was the tallest kid in his grade up to 10th grade. 223 00:13:03,990 --> 00:13:07,390 So people are like, that guy must be great at basketball. 224 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:11,030 And so they kept picking him, thinking, like, this guy's gonna 225 00:13:11,030 --> 00:13:11,469 be it. 226 00:13:11,470 --> 00:13:13,470 He makes one basket in eight years. 227 00:13:14,190 --> 00:13:17,950 So other people's expectations of us can definitely determine our 228 00:13:17,950 --> 00:13:18,910 sense of reality. 229 00:13:19,470 --> 00:13:22,520 So are you wondering what these are about yet? 230 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,240 Do you know? 231 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:25,240 I'm not sure I know yet. 232 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,480 I think I'm gonna figure it out. 233 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,240 I'll figure it out as we go today. 234 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,080 It's just something I had in my head that I'm trusting God will 235 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,000 work out as we get going. 236 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,200 First of all, Amanda Ott, wherever you are, look away. 237 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:41,120 All right? 238 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Because she is an artist. 239 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,680 This is not art, people. 240 00:13:48,770 --> 00:13:50,930 The graceful situation that we are in. 241 00:13:52,370 --> 00:13:52,930 Oh, boy. 242 00:13:52,930 --> 00:13:54,770 I have no idea how this is going to go, folks. 243 00:13:54,850 --> 00:13:59,330 So that is the graceful situation we are in. 244 00:13:59,570 --> 00:14:01,570 Oh, maybe you over there can't see it. 245 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:07,410 When we were made. 246 00:14:10,450 --> 00:14:11,330 When we were made. 247 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:15,940 In the Methodist world, we call it prevenient grace. 248 00:14:15,940 --> 00:14:17,340 Doesn't that sound like a lot of fun? 249 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:18,540 It shows you went to school. 250 00:14:19,820 --> 00:14:27,740 It means that God is gifting you things like continually gracefully, 251 00:14:28,060 --> 00:14:33,180 when you are completely unaware of it, when you Are disinterested. 252 00:14:33,420 --> 00:14:38,700 When you are running away, God is like going after you. 253 00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:43,670 So when we were made, it's a wonderful thing. 254 00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:47,590 God said, let us make humankind in our image. 255 00:14:48,630 --> 00:14:50,230 And so like that right there. 256 00:14:51,430 --> 00:14:57,030 There's nothing you can do about, is there? 257 00:14:57,910 --> 00:14:59,550 Always and forever. 258 00:14:59,550 --> 00:15:00,270 Sorry, folks. 259 00:15:00,270 --> 00:15:00,870 Over here. 260 00:15:03,670 --> 00:15:04,230 Matt. 261 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,280 There's nothing you can do to change this. 262 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,360 Not a thing by grace. 263 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:15,360 This is the reality. 264 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,000 His image is you. 265 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,000 We've talked about this recently. 266 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:22,560 Yes. 267 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,640 And even when one thing that the. 268 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:30,000 So there was this period of time in history called the Reformations 269 00:15:31,790 --> 00:15:33,430 started in, like, the 16th century. 270 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:35,550 We're not going to have class today, so relax. 271 00:15:36,030 --> 00:15:36,590 All right? 272 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:39,110 But some of the reformers. 273 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:40,030 No, excuse me. 274 00:15:40,030 --> 00:15:42,350 All the reformers like John Calvin. 275 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:44,190 Good dude, actually. 276 00:15:44,190 --> 00:15:44,710 He gets. 277 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:46,870 He gets a bad rap even by people don't like him. 278 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:53,070 John Calvin was doing, like, health care from the church in the 279 00:15:53,070 --> 00:15:54,190 16th century. 280 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:58,920 Remember that about him? 281 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:00,760 I don't like his theology. 282 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,640 No pause. 283 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,360 I dislike most of his theology, but it kind of goes back 284 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,400 to like, Jesus is like, what are you doing with what you believe? 285 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,520 When I look at what he was doing with what he believes, I'm 286 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,800 like, his theology was all right, but all these reformers said, 287 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,480 like, man, here's our conclusion about humankind. 288 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,280 Humankind is totally depraved. 289 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,040 Can someone look on their phone and get a dictionary definition 290 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,200 of depraved real quick? 291 00:16:26,830 --> 00:16:27,590 I'm dead serious. 292 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:28,190 I need it. 293 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:30,430 Because it's the word they loved. 294 00:16:31,310 --> 00:16:35,670 They believe everybody was on board with this idea of total depravity. 295 00:16:35,670 --> 00:16:36,510 Go ahead, Ashley. 296 00:16:36,510 --> 00:16:37,310 Hold on, hold on. 297 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:40,990 Make immoral or wicked. 298 00:16:42,670 --> 00:16:44,590 Make immoral or wicked. 299 00:16:45,950 --> 00:16:46,990 So that's the verb. 300 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:49,390 Morally corrupt or wicked. 301 00:16:50,990 --> 00:16:53,470 The reformers were agreed on this. 302 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,480 Luther, like the Lutheran Church. 303 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,640 Are you with me, Luther? 304 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:59,760 Calvin. 305 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,760 Later on, a guy by the name of John Wesley, who founded the Methodist 306 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:04,240 movement. 307 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:11,520 They believed everybody totally depraved in that great. 308 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,080 Depraved. 309 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,200 Depraved. 310 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:19,640 You especially depraved. 311 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:20,480 Right, Steve? 312 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:22,460 Yeah. 313 00:17:24,700 --> 00:17:25,820 It's a joke, bro. 314 00:17:27,180 --> 00:17:28,220 I love you, man. 315 00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:32,460 Here's where Wesley was different. 316 00:17:34,060 --> 00:17:36,140 So I stand here in this guy's legacy. 317 00:17:36,699 --> 00:17:38,220 Prevenient grace. 318 00:17:39,660 --> 00:17:42,540 A lot of these people might have communicated the message that 319 00:17:42,700 --> 00:17:46,660 because we're totally depraved, this little flickering 320 00:17:46,660 --> 00:17:47,980 flame has gone out. 321 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:52,970 Humankind, Wesley said, no, it is not. 322 00:17:55,530 --> 00:17:59,530 This little flame that was planted at creation is still there 323 00:18:00,330 --> 00:18:03,930 in every humankind and all of humankind. 324 00:18:05,290 --> 00:18:12,890 There's a pilot light waiting to roar in every human person. 325 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:18,420 There's nothing you can do about it, except there's Everything 326 00:18:18,420 --> 00:18:22,860 you can do about it because you're not meant. 327 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:23,940 This is beautiful. 328 00:18:25,540 --> 00:18:28,580 For some folks, they don't know this, and their. 329 00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:30,020 Their reality is this. 330 00:18:32,340 --> 00:18:33,940 This is as good as life gets. 331 00:18:33,940 --> 00:18:35,900 And this is pretty good because God's image. 332 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:36,700 Image is in us. 333 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:37,620 That's pretty good, right? 334 00:18:37,620 --> 00:18:42,180 Dave, if the least that you have is God's image in you and this 335 00:18:42,180 --> 00:18:43,940 pilot light in you, that's not bad. 336 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:46,360 It's okay. 337 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,800 But that's not all you're meant to be. 338 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:52,680 Are you with me still? 339 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,120 Every human being, in fact, is destined. 340 00:18:58,200 --> 00:18:59,560 Oh, Lord, help us. 341 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:01,160 Give me a minute. 342 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,920 Our destiny is to be drenched in the Holy Spirit. 343 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:11,730 To not be a pilot light, but to roar, to be fully ignited. 344 00:19:14,690 --> 00:19:16,930 Like, this ain't bad. 345 00:19:19,010 --> 00:19:25,810 It's not bad, but this is what we're meant for. 346 00:19:29,890 --> 00:19:36,330 For every sinner saint that I've known, including myself, there's 347 00:19:36,330 --> 00:19:40,570 life before this and there's life after this. 348 00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:44,170 It happened in me for. 349 00:19:44,410 --> 00:19:45,370 In 2011. 350 00:19:45,370 --> 00:19:45,930 For me. 351 00:19:47,210 --> 00:19:47,850 I was. 352 00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:49,770 This was growing in me. 353 00:19:50,010 --> 00:19:51,490 Like, this isn't static. 354 00:19:51,490 --> 00:19:53,450 Like, one day you're this and then you're that. 355 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:55,570 It was actually growing for me. 356 00:19:55,570 --> 00:19:57,370 Like this was happening. 357 00:19:58,090 --> 00:20:00,490 I didn't totally know it, but it was happening. 358 00:20:01,780 --> 00:20:05,300 But then one day when I was in depression and darkness and despair, 359 00:20:06,420 --> 00:20:09,220 man, I think it's Mary Oliver. 360 00:20:09,860 --> 00:20:12,500 She writes a poem about how the darkness is a gift. 361 00:20:15,140 --> 00:20:19,100 It ain't a gift that I want, but I can't. 362 00:20:19,100 --> 00:20:20,340 I can't deny it. 363 00:20:22,660 --> 00:20:26,900 When I was in the darkness, searching for God in the darkness, 364 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:31,300 in depression and panic attacks and, like, what is my life 365 00:20:31,300 --> 00:20:31,940 purpose? 366 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:35,040 Life as I thought it was going to be is over. 367 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:36,600 That was my perception. 368 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:37,360 I'm dying. 369 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:37,920 Literally. 370 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,280 That was my perception. 371 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,280 And I'm reading the scriptures not so I can be a smarter Christian 372 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,400 or pass all the tests or get the doctrines right. 373 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,240 I'm reading the scriptures to live. 374 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,880 And then as I'm sobbing in a car, Ross, we've heard this story. 375 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,920 Get over it. 376 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:58,800 It's my this. 377 00:21:01,980 --> 00:21:04,460 But funny enough for me, it was a whisper in my ear. 378 00:21:06,300 --> 00:21:06,780 Ross. 379 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:13,420 I was reading John, I am the vine and you are the branches. 380 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:18,700 Abide in me, and I will abide in you. 381 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:22,460 Anyone who is apart from me can do nothing. 382 00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:23,980 What was he saying to me? 383 00:21:23,980 --> 00:21:29,220 Ross, you can't have one foot in the vine and one foot out. 384 00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:30,580 We're over here. 385 00:21:30,580 --> 00:21:33,180 You're still manicuring and building up your ego. 386 00:21:33,180 --> 00:21:34,820 And over here is religious Ross. 387 00:21:34,820 --> 00:21:37,700 You got religious Ross and you got cocktail party cool. 388 00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:38,100 Ross. 389 00:21:41,940 --> 00:21:43,940 Hey, let me tell you what I Learned in Greek today. 390 00:21:47,700 --> 00:21:48,420 Give it up. 391 00:21:50,340 --> 00:21:53,500 Stop trying to climb two ladders, kick over the ladders and 392 00:21:53,500 --> 00:21:54,100 surrender. 393 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:55,770 And then this happened. 394 00:21:57,850 --> 00:21:58,890 And now I'm here. 395 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:04,250 My only goal in life is to help you be there. 396 00:22:05,050 --> 00:22:05,690 That's it. 397 00:22:07,530 --> 00:22:08,050 I hope. 398 00:22:08,050 --> 00:22:10,050 When I die, I've spent my time doing that. 399 00:22:10,050 --> 00:22:15,290 First for my wife, then my kids, and then you, my people. 400 00:22:16,490 --> 00:22:17,450 This isn't bad. 401 00:22:19,530 --> 00:22:20,410 It's not bad. 402 00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:28,150 But Jesus said in Acts 1:8, after he'd spent three years, this 403 00:22:28,150 --> 00:22:28,790 was growing. 404 00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:30,950 They were getting closer to that. 405 00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:38,150 But even after three years, what was the disciples perception 406 00:22:38,150 --> 00:22:42,830 after three years, after three years of being right next to the 407 00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:45,030 guy, what was their perception? 408 00:22:45,670 --> 00:22:49,470 Now is the time where Jesus storms the gates of Jerusalem and 409 00:22:49,470 --> 00:22:51,910 then Rome and we win this thing back by force. 410 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:53,370 Come on, thunderbolt Jesus. 411 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:54,210 Strike him down. 412 00:22:56,290 --> 00:22:58,050 The Acts 1:6. 413 00:22:58,050 --> 00:23:02,770 Acts chapter one is now the time, Jesus, where you're going to 414 00:23:02,770 --> 00:23:04,290 restore the kingdom to Israel. 415 00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:06,610 He goes, I'm leaving. 416 00:23:09,330 --> 00:23:20,460 But you, you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes 417 00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:21,540 on onto you. 418 00:23:21,540 --> 00:23:22,380 Comes to you. 419 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:25,740 And you will be my witnesses. 420 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,460 This isn't cocktail party cool, Ross. 421 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:30,540 I think this matters. 422 00:23:31,420 --> 00:23:35,180 The word in that original language for that witness is martyr. 423 00:23:36,300 --> 00:23:38,140 We get the English word martyr from it. 424 00:23:39,660 --> 00:23:45,220 These guys signed up knowing that to do this meant there was gonna 425 00:23:45,220 --> 00:23:46,220 be some suffering. 426 00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:51,250 There are going to be some dark nights, but the fire is always 427 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:53,490 with you in the dark night. 428 00:23:55,250 --> 00:23:59,970 And then there's life before this and there's life after it. 429 00:23:59,970 --> 00:24:01,090 Acts Chapter two. 430 00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:03,330 They're sitting in a room. 431 00:24:04,050 --> 00:24:07,330 All these trade people who are uneducated. 432 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:08,850 They can't read, they can't write. 433 00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:10,410 They've been following Jesus for three years. 434 00:24:10,410 --> 00:24:12,210 Maybe their perception is we were wrong. 435 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:16,710 We followed this guy around, he died, he's leaving. 436 00:24:17,030 --> 00:24:18,070 We were wrong. 437 00:24:18,310 --> 00:24:19,230 We're idiots. 438 00:24:19,230 --> 00:24:22,630 We're the same screw ups that we always thought we were. 439 00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:24,870 And then boom, they're sitting in a house. 440 00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:26,070 And that happens. 441 00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:28,310 So maybe your perception is today. 442 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:35,430 This isn't happening quick enough for me in my own prayer time 443 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:37,750 recently, friends, the word that is coming to me. 444 00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:39,990 I don't know if it's my mind, I don't know if it's the Holy Spirit, 445 00:24:40,150 --> 00:24:47,330 but patience, Ross, we live in a culture that despises patience. 446 00:24:50,450 --> 00:24:51,330 Stay the course. 447 00:24:54,370 --> 00:24:59,410 So, okay, I think I'm done after this story. 448 00:24:59,810 --> 00:25:03,890 I was sitting there with my nephew, Shade State Park. 449 00:25:03,970 --> 00:25:05,090 He's asleep. 450 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:09,200 He's decided camping is for the birds. 451 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,720 This is awful. 452 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Then finally, about two to three hours in, the fire started. 453 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,840 And then it got hotter and hotter, such it didn't matter what. 454 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,160 We. 455 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,400 We could have put the wettest piece of wood in there. 456 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:29,760 It burned anyways. 457 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,080 And then you know what we did? 458 00:25:33,690 --> 00:25:34,730 I already told you. 459 00:25:35,770 --> 00:25:41,050 Bratwurst, stone, ground mustard, bro. 460 00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:44,970 It hit pretty good, okay? 461 00:25:48,330 --> 00:25:49,610 Our lives are like that. 462 00:25:51,290 --> 00:25:51,690 Some. 463 00:25:53,690 --> 00:26:00,020 Some of you have, for good reason, have given up. 464 00:26:02,260 --> 00:26:04,100 Because the fire isn't starting. 465 00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:08,300 Because it's wet and it's dark and you're hungry and you've been 466 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,620 traveling so darn long, you've been reaching for optimism. 467 00:26:12,500 --> 00:26:13,140 It's gone. 468 00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:14,020 There's none left. 469 00:26:15,620 --> 00:26:16,260 Come back. 470 00:26:18,180 --> 00:26:20,100 There's nothing you can do about this. 471 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,060 This is in you. 472 00:26:22,660 --> 00:26:24,420 His image is inside you. 473 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:28,860 He has destined you to be full of his very presence. 474 00:26:28,860 --> 00:26:30,220 Not some force or energy. 475 00:26:30,460 --> 00:26:32,700 The very presence of God. 476 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:36,900 The brilliant, illuminating, glorious presence of God that ignites 477 00:26:36,900 --> 00:26:39,580 your gifts that you have like nobody else. 478 00:26:41,420 --> 00:26:44,100 You see it every day, every time Joanna and I lead. 479 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:48,220 You should see us when we're practicing because we're so different. 480 00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:51,340 Joanna wants to do worship this way. 481 00:26:51,420 --> 00:26:52,500 I've got it this way. 482 00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,700 And I'm like, oh, man, not that song again. 483 00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:56,790 Because she likes this song. 484 00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:58,470 But you know why? 485 00:26:58,790 --> 00:27:00,870 She is an evangelist at her heart. 486 00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:01,910 I'm not. 487 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:08,070 I've watched as her life has gone from this to this. 488 00:27:08,550 --> 00:27:12,150 Oh, praise God. 489 00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:16,830 What a blessing to me and all of you. 490 00:27:16,830 --> 00:27:19,030 I've been watching this happen in your lives. 491 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:21,750 You are such a blessing to me. 492 00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:23,860 Such a blessing. 493 00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:29,860 So let us go camping together, okay? 494 00:27:31,780 --> 00:27:33,380 We'll ask Jesus to lead us. 495 00:27:35,220 --> 00:27:40,020 And let us ask him to help us endure the night until the fire grows. 496 00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:41,700 Okay? 497 00:27:43,940 --> 00:27:44,740 Let's pray. 498 00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:47,700 Just wake us up, Lord. 499 00:27:50,180 --> 00:27:53,780 Where there is trauma, we ask for healing. 500 00:27:55,060 --> 00:28:00,020 Grief and loss, comfort, disillusionment. 501 00:28:01,700 --> 00:28:04,500 Give us redirection, renewed purpose and energy. 502 00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:15,140 Bring us back to life with your very presence dwelling inside 503 00:28:15,140 --> 00:28:18,580 us, creating us. 504 00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:20,540 Pure hearts, renewing us. 505 00:28:20,540 --> 00:28:21,620 Steadfast spirits. 506 00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:24,820 In the name of Jesus, amen. 507 00:28:25,940 --> 00:28:30,420 Thank you for participating in the conversation happening at Heaven 508 00:28:30,420 --> 00:28:31,460 Earth Church. 509 00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:37,300 Your next opportunity to do so live is this Sunday morning, 9:30am 510 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:42,900 Eastern Time, either at the main campus at 309 East Main in Whiteland, 511 00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:46,920 Indiana, or online at YouTube Live. 512 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,200 That's@YouTube.com heavenerthchurch. 513 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:59,400 The audio podcast is always available at Apple Podcast and on 514 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Spotify. 515 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,080 You can help others find out about the Heaven Earth Church podcast 516 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,160 by going to Apple Podcast and or Spotify and leaving a five star 517 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,490 rating and your review instructions on how to do just that 518 00:29:14,490 --> 00:29:16,530 and links are in the show notes. 519 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:23,570 You can always find out more by going to the church website heavenearthchurch.org 520 00:29:25,090 --> 00:29:25,370 we. 521 00:29:25,370 --> 00:29:27,570 Want to thank you for spending time with us today. 522 00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:31,090 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church, 523 00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:34,770 and you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact 524 00:29:34,770 --> 00:29:37,900 your faith story may may just be beginning. 525 00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:41,060 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 526 00:29:41,060 --> 00:29:45,100 in the next step, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org otherwise 527 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:48,260 we look forward to being with you next time at the Heaven Earth 528 00:29:48,260 --> 00:29:49,260 Church podcast. 529 00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:02,230 Sa.