00:00:06 Sayan: What if Alice is not only something to get rid of, but sometimes something trying in its own difficult language to reveal where life has gone out of alignment. And what if I tell you guys that healing is bigger than just symptom relief? Bigger than labels or even certainty? Today, we are opening a conversation that asks us to slow down, introspect deeper, and maybe relate to suffering in a more human way.

00:00:34 Sayan: Welcome back to another episode of Healing Horizons, where we explore healing with openness, honesty and hope. I'm your host. Some of you would know. And today we are joined by Daniel Joseph, a lifelong researcher of truth whose work explores self-knowledge, spiritual healing, and the awakening of the divine potential within humanity. I invite you all to join me on this conversation where we would be asking a deceptively simple question what is illness? If you look at it from a base level and what is healing really? And if you've ever felt confused by the pain, could be physical, or could be frustration by recovery, or quietly even wondered whether healing means more than going back to normal, this conversation is going to hit you home. So Daniel, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to have you here with me today. And, uh, you know, I'm, I'm, I mean, uh, excited to, I mean, dive deeper maybe to a new perspective of how you approach healing or, I mean, take a step back and again, how you approach illness. So it's great to have you here.

00:01:39 Daniel Joseph: Okay. Thank you for inviting me. Yeah, I don't know. I just think we ought to. When you talk about this subject, you got to ask the question. What is illness and healing, right? Right. And since we are not just it's not just about body. It's about body emotions and thoughts or mental body, emotional body. Call it astral if you want. Um, and those three bodies get sick, people get mental illnesses. People get psychological, emotional, very bad illnesses cause a lot of suffering to themselves and to their loved ones. So when you look at this, you say, okay, we have three different places to treat the illness and you have to say, okay, what causes illness? I think healing is really the natural for human beings, but things come in and causes illness. Well, of course we hear about diseases and accidents and those things, but those things aren't arbitrary. Those fall under the law of karma, you know? So when we have a physical ailment or mental or our psychological or emotional ailment, what we have is three different things. Usually the most common thing that causes any one of those illnesses in our body sickness is a lack of energy, a lack of vitality. You know, in the Hindu system they call it prana. If you notice, you watch your own life when you get get a cold or something, it's usually because you've been exerting too much energy, too much. You've been maybe overdoing it physically over emotional, over mental. And when we deplete those energy supplies, it weakens the immune system because the immune system is what protects us from that. So physically, that's one thing that happens. Another thing that happens is we. contaminate these etheric centers in our body. And so there's not enough energy getting to our body chakras. And when we hate, people just get so angry and have such dirty negative emotions, it like it contaminates those centers. So the vitality does not get to our material body. So that's another cause. And then the final cause, which you can't do a lot about without offsetting it, it is simply called interference. Some people are born with a defective body right off from birth. So we either got to think God is capricious or there's some cause. There's always a cause behind everything that happens. So in the case of an illness where somebody's born in this bad condition, you, you can't just say, well, God just made bless one person and cursed another. It's because of their own actions in previous lives. And it's it's comes It's not as a punishment, but as a consequence to kind of balance what they threw out of balance in a previous life. So those are just some three areas of illness that we've discovered from our research and, and ways to correct them. Well, of course, if you, you know, cut off somebody's hand in a previous life, you're probably going to get something happen to your physical hand. Um, sometimes though, I know this one guy who was killed in a previous life, or he killed somebody in previous life by a sword, and he comes back in this life and sometimes somehow his inner self has commuted that to his present day personality. So he went out and became a surgeon. So the consequence, he still has to pay off the karma, but now he can pay it off positively by healing with a sharp knife, a sword, instead of having to be killed himself. So there's ways we can send the karma, let's say, or affect it.

00:05:38 Sayan: That's interesting, Daniel. I mean, before, you know, we talk really about the mechanical aspect of it. I'm curious to know how did you how did you get to know? I mean, you know, uh, about the sword incident that you shared, uh, would you like to share more about it? Perhaps.

00:05:52 Daniel Joseph: So I've been all my whole life. I've been seeking truth. I've been to India, studied with knowledgeable, uh, adepts, we'll call them there and learned lots of things. And I eventually came across this guy in, um, a Mediterranean island called Cyprus, who was a great Christian mystic and healer. And we got to watch him heal people, but he couldn't offset, he could only do it to a certain point. He couldn't just do it to everybody, but certain people who had started paying off their karma. He could restore them if they had already started working on it. This is where Christ says, you know your your faith has healed you. Some people came in faith and out of that faith it created a condition in them to receive a healing. So I studied with this fellow since nineteen eighty nine, and he taught me a lot about it. And I've seen it in my own work here in Indiana. And I saw it on Cyprus.

00:06:55 Sayan: MM. That's that's interesting. And I think the three, uh, you know, aspects of illness that, uh, you spoke about earlier, right. Um, I think, I think a lot of people really misunderstand in the sense they correlate illness to some, uh, almost like a mechanical problem, you know? So what do you see as the problem here? Really? I mean, when people start to correlate illness as something mechanical, right? I mean, yeah, definitely it's, it's part it's a part of the problem, for sure. But what are people really missing on here?

00:07:33 Daniel Joseph: I think they're missing the fact that there are no innocent victims. Everything is done by the law of cause and effect or call it karma, that we have done stuff that's offset the balance of the natural world or say, God's law, universal laws. And so we receive a consequence not as a punishment, but as something to kind of wake us up and bring us back into balance again. You know, if we start hating somebody else, sooner or later, somebody's going to start hating us. Maybe somebody hating us now. And we say, well, I never hated anybody, but we've lived before. So we carry this. We have this carryover of of transgressions, let's call it. And so they're missing the fact that there are no innocent. It's not just happened to them arbitrarily. There's a reason why it's happening. And it's a good reason because it's under the divine law of Cause and effect or karma. And that is meant to bring wake people up to their mistakes so they can clean the slate, go forward more freely.

00:08:35 Sayan: Now. I think, you know, that makes a lot more sense right now. Um, so yeah, let's, let's take it a, maybe a level deeper. If, you know, if we stay with that for a moment, uh, well, endless begins deeper than the body, right? What kinds of inner patterns, you know, tend to be involved? Uh, you know what tends to happen maybe in a person before that imbalance really starts showing up physically or emotionally. So what's your take on that?

00:09:03 Daniel Joseph: Well, I think primarily it's, it's a, it's a psychoanalytical effect, which means emotional, mental, right? You start doing something. If you physically do something that's just out of balance, you just go so wild, you and you'll have an accident. You're not paying attention. You're not being responsible. So the laws like the law of gravity, these are. We're under laws and it's just as solid as the law of gravity. And we can't expect God to take away the laws when we do things to violate them. So we get a consequence. But again, that's just to edify us. You know, to uplift our understanding, not to do it again. So I would say the thing that people don't realize is when they start. Hating others or are causing negative vibrations, just living negatively, they don't know, but they're attracting negativity and negativity may manifest as an illness or an accident.

00:10:03 Sayan: Yeah. I mean, that's a, you know, a lot of people, uh, really don't think much about, uh, karma, but those who do, they figure out a very vital part in their lives, which is being very self aware of what they, what they choose in their life, you know, which direction, uh, they choose to go with. Right. Because they know everything does come back to you in some way or other, right? Uh, and, and just to make it more practical, uh, Daniel, I would like to bring this to a much more, I would say, uh, a practical, uh, version of, of the same idea. So I mean, because I think these ideas can sound logical. Uh, I would say beautiful, but also abstract in some way. So how does this deeper understanding of illness show up in ordinary people, you know, in their routines or maybe in their work or even emotional lives as well?

00:11:03 Daniel Joseph: Well, I think you're right that people don't think much about it. And so, you know, subconsciously they just go, people go through life subconsciously. They're not paying attention enough.

00:11:12 Sayan: Exactly.

00:11:13 Daniel Joseph: Or they might have noticed they've been doing something that caused this negative result to them. And they don't, they're not just somebody being negative for no reason that they've caused some action. It's hard to see this because of the fact about the lifetimes because we can't see our previous lifetime. Most people can't. So it's hard for people to understand that there there really is a cause and effect chain that's bringing this to them. You know, just think about this. The law, the law of cause and effect is the law of karma. Scientists call it the law of relativity. You know, every action gets an equal reaction. So just think, this is this is the beautiful part about it to me. It's perfectly balanced to the offset of the law. You know, man creates laws like don't steal, right? Well, if you steal a car, you're not going to be put to death. If the result is a very much in proportion with the violation of the law, the result and God's law is way more perfect than that. Christ said you you can't even lose a cup of water that it won't be brought back to you. Somebody steals a cup of water from you. You're going to get a cup of water. It's so perfectly balanced. Nothing. There's nothing. Nobody gets away with anything. Ultimately, if you add the lifetimes in there.

00:12:34 Sayan: Yeah. I mean, that's so true, right? Like you said, uh, I think. Same thing, different language. Um, you know, in, like you said in, in science, uh, this, uh, Newton's third law, which says every action does indeed have an opposite and equal reaction. And, you know, if you look at, if you look at, uh, philosophy and if you look at, uh, spirituality, uh, you have karma, right? Uh, so just then the bigger question really becomes, that, you know, how do we really begin? You know, not, not in a very dramatic way, knowing that we might have done something terribly wrong in our past, you know, uh, where do we really begin to really embrace our identity in a real human way? You know, if someone wants to move towards healing, where does that journey actually start?

00:13:23 Daniel Joseph: Well, you can't. You can't. Look, most people can't see in their past life. Even if you could, you couldn't change a thing. So we have to start with where we are right now and what we what we want to come in the future. We should be doing right now. This is the old. Do unto others as you would have done to you. So if I was in that position and worried about health issues or karma coming or something, I would just try to do as much good for everybody else as I could. That creates a wonderful protection and offsets these other things that violations in previous times. Whether it's in this lifetime or another lifetime.

00:14:02 Sayan: Yeah, I really appreciate that you're bringing in this, uh, sort of a, a three step miracle here, right? You're describing healing as, you know, practice of alignment. Uh, it sounds a bit less glamorous, but I would say very real. You know, I'm curious though, in, in a culture which is really obsessed with quick relief. You know, you look around and, uh, I mean, uh, maybe it's because of the social media or. I mean, that's a topic for another conversation perhaps. Um, how do we really stay committed to deeper healing? You know, when it's slower and doesn't really give immediate results? Uh, what would you like to say to all the listeners who are listening to this right now?

00:14:47 Daniel Joseph: Well, everybody's had been emotionally wounded. Everybody listening has been emotionally wounded, and they're hurt. And maybe they carry that hurt the whole life. And it's almost like they just keep stabbing themselves with that hurt. So the idea is whether whether you've got this attachment to something bad or attachment to being hurt, there's three steps to get out of that. And the first step is to make a decision. I don't want to live the rest of my life feeling like a victim, feeling like someone hurt me. I want to feel good again. I want to feel whole again. Think about a love relationship that most people can relate to, that they've been hurt very badly. Right. So how does people get how do people get over that? Well, sooner or later they turn their attention away from it and put it on something positive. And that's what people that have hard time healing emotionally, mentally, they keep focusing on the wound instead of turning their attention, deciding, I don't just want to feel hurt the rest of my life. I want to look forward for something better. So they turn their attention and put it on something good. And you can do it. I'm sure everybody listening can do it, can look back in the past and say, wow, I used to be really tore up by that. That really hurt me badly. I was so I was thinking about committing suicide. It was so bad. And then three years later, you're not thinking about it at all. And that proves that's a healing method. You move your attention off of the wound and put it on something positive and go forward.

00:16:19 Sayan: Yeah. Step by step. Right. I mean, even if you notice it or not, but, you know, when you look back at it, like you said, after three years, four years, five years down the line, it's just it's like a blurry vision, right? Um, and I think, uh, I really appreciate that you brought it up because I think that that is indeed a relatable point that I think, uh, a lot of people listening to this right now would be able to relate. Um, and I think that's the real shift right there because I think. Really does matter. Yes. Um, but we should not be chasing something that is quick, you know, a quick relief or, you know, quick money maybe, or, you know, quick anything. Right. I think that really messes up, uh, the natural balance, um, that, that human are not built for. Right. Uh, so I'm really talking about the dopamine, uh, here, but I mean, I could also relate and stretch it to some other, uh, aspects as well. You know, think about, uh, you know, any kind of, I mean, the conversation would really go. I would, I would say, in some other direction, you know, because I think, uh, addiction is a big virtue of, you know, getting something, you know, in the fastest way possible. Right? Uh, but I think when you're breaking it down this way, Daniel's right. It just, it just, it just makes us more grounded and more compassionate towards, you know, ourself by giving us, allowing us that room. I think transformation really ask more of us and gives more back. It just doesn't remove pain, right? It really reshapes the one who was really carrying it. So I think that's, that's what I'm really, uh, taking away from this conversation. But, uh, if there's actually one thing that, uh, I would. So to all the listeners who are listening to this right now, if there's one thing that I would like you to take away with from this conversation, I think is this right? So any talk about illness, you know, it it may be it may be, well, life reveals its imbalance. And to counter that Healing. I want you to approach it in a way it may be courageous. Uh, you know, it may be the courageous, uh, I would say return to the inner truth, harmony. And that's, that's, that's what I think moves you towards wholeness. So that is what I would like you to sit with, uh, for a few minutes as we wrap up this conversation. But Daniel, if there's anything else that maybe you would like to add to this idea.

00:18:48 Daniel Joseph: It's just, it's just what you're doing in the moment determines everything that happens. Just like what you did in the past is determining where you are now. What you understand is true, and your understanding of what is true is just basically what you know. So in this case, I would just say, you know, and here's another part of that. It's not just the next life we're talking about or later in this life. What we're thinking, feeling and doing now is determining our place in the hereafter and the astral world. Our body doesn't last forever, right? Well, we're creating exactly where we're going now. We don't go to some hell or heaven that we're not in now. So we are doing creating our future in the next lifetime, as well as where we're going after this lifetime right now. So wake up, think about that. Make it beautiful that you'll be. If you make it beautiful, do good things for other people. Think good thoughts, have good feelings, and do good. You're going to be whole and healthy.

00:19:57 Sayan: Yeah, I think the way you frame that towards the end, it really changes the narrative of why you should be looking up to good things in life, right? Um, and when you do that, I think that's exactly where you begin. You know, your approach towards wholeness as a person. So, uh, Daniel, I mean, uh, I think this conversation was really, um, it has been very grounded and, uh, one which is full of clarity from the very start. I mean, the way you approached. Uh, firstly, illness. And you know what? What really, uh, you really misunderstand about illness, right? Uh, you broke it down into three beautiful, uh, aspects and then, you know, talked a little bit about healing and, uh, about how now, like every second as we're maybe even having this conversation is, you know, shaping our identity somewhere in the future. And not only that, even afterlife as you, as you say it now, right? So I think, I think there's a lot to take away from this conversation, really, but only if you guys sit with this and, you know, um, maybe stay, I mean, resonate if there's anything that did resonate with you, right? Uh, do pick out those few moments or a few, I would say, um, uh, sentences that really did resonate with you and maybe think about, you know, what is that you are what, what are your core identities? And while you do think about that, uh, Daniel would love to ask you for listeners who actually did resonate, uh, with. With this conversation today and would want to explore your work. Your writings and your teachings more deeply, where can they find you at?

00:21:32 Daniel Joseph: Uh, researchers of truth dot com and on, uh, we have a YouTube channel called. Researchers of truth. So hashtag researchers of truth and they can find me there. And I want to say one last thing. One thing that's it's so important is forgiveness. You know, usually when we get hurt by somebody mentally or emotionally or even somebody hurts you physically, you carry that. You don't forgive them, you're mad at them, they've hurt you. But just think about this. If you don't, if you don't forgive them, I mean, we all want to be forgiven, don't we? Well, what right do we have to be forgiven if we won't forgive others?

00:22:11 Sayan: Beautiful. And and where do you suggest we start?

00:22:18 Daniel Joseph: Forgive yourself for your mistakes. Because we all make mistakes, you know? Just forgive. It's just we're all people walking on the same path to the same destination. We all have different experiences, but our destination is the same. So give everybody a break, you know?

00:22:35 Sayan: Yeah.

00:22:36 Daniel Joseph: Yeah, it's just us.

00:22:39 Sayan: And I think a lot of us talk about purpose as well. But you know, if you zoom out, you would realize as time goes on that maybe the purpose in your life was really to give a little bit of direction to that other soul who has been lost or has been feeling lost. And it's a very beautiful and, uh, I mean, I would say a profound realization. Um, but I've had a conversation about this with many animals, right? And, uh, I think we all somewhere converge towards this, you know, same purpose in life. Isn't that crazy? But yeah, thank you so much for, uh, you know, uh, I mean, um, ending or wrapping up this conversation with that note. I think it's beautiful and does make us or remind us why we should be more compassionate towards our own self. Um, beautiful. And, uh, we'll make sure the listeners know, uh, where to go to, uh, to find you. So Daniel, thank you so much for providing the details, which I would put in the show notes, but, uh, to everyone who's listening to this guys, uh, we hit today's minute mark on healing horizons. And if today's conversation did meet you in a tender place, I hope it also reminded you of something sturdy that healing is not always loud and quick, or it needs to be visible. It needs to, you know, have a validation from others, but that I think that does not really make it any less real, right? Some sometimes it really begins with a question, sometimes maybe with a pause, and sometimes with the brave decision to really stop. Uh, I would say running from what hurts and start listening to what it may be asking of you. So if this episode stayed with you, uh, do share it with someone who may need this gentle reminder. And until then, Um, I'll see you in the next one. This has been on Healing Horizons and. Yeah. Take care of yourself and hope to see you soon.