Today on "Poder aprender", I'm speaking with Arnold Beekes, a speaker, author, and
futurist with a powerful mission, helping people move from fitting in to flying out.
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With a background that spans corporate leadership, psychology,
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and now brain fitness, Arnold is on a quest to dismantle the mental and emotional straight
jackets that keep us small.
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He believes that the future belongs to those who uncondition themselves, those who reclaim
their mental freedom, unleash their uniqueness and live their own lives.
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In this conversation, we explore the art of unconditioning, brain fitness,
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and what it really takes to break free from a life of conformity.
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Arnold, it's great having you here.
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Welcome to "Poder aprender".
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Thank you very much Walter, it's a privilege.
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Arnold, you often speak about the journey from fitting in to flying out.
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What was the first time you realized you were living someone else's life?
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It's not a moment, it's exactly like you said, it's a journey.
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It's a process.
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I really have difficulty in saying it was 24 of October 1996, and that's when it happened.
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It's really a process, but the process started where I lost my job in the corporate world.
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And then I was like, and this was the year 2000.
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Yeah.
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So there was not so much about building a startup, starting your own business.
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The only thing which existed was basically people would go freelance and, and, and, or a
little bit starting their own thing, but I was like, I don't like bosses.
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I don't like working anymore.
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Like I'm going to start my own thing, whatever that was going to be.
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And.
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And that is when I realized that although I was in the corporate world quite successful, I
basically knew nothing about myself.
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I knew the mental qualities and capacities to deal in and with business.
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That's what I knew and I was pretty good at.
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I knew nothing about myself.
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knew nothing about emotions, spirituality, environment, social aspects.
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And that was the realization in like, well, I've been in a very confined world, the
corporate world, where I thought that it, that was the world.
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But then I stepped
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out of that world, I'm like, holy moly, there is so much more where I had no clue about.
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So it's like moving in terms of your languages and moving to other countries and cultures
is like, would go to another country and I no clue how it would look like.
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That's wonderful.
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And that makes me think also of...
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When you say fitting in, and when we're talking about fitting in, I have an idea of what
that means, like being compliant or trying to being adequate to certain thing.
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And I wonder about flying out.
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What do you mean by that?
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Fitting in my definition is you start living someone else's life and flying out means you
start to live your own life.
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Allow me to explain.
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The fitting in starts for most people the moment you're born, the moment you're a baby and
Walter comes into your father and mother.
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They very soon start to make you do what they want you to do.
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Don't cry at night, eat your food, don't spoil the stuff.
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Everything like that.
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That's the moment they start to
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mold you in the way they want.
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Well, maybe you go to kindergarten, but let's say you go to primary school.
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What do they do at primary school?
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They make you do what they want you to do and how to behave and be quiet and sit still and
do your homework and ask, raise your hand when you have a question or want to go to the
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toilet or whatever.
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That's the same thing throughout your old school, primary school, high school, maybe you
go to some vocational training or university.
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They all have a certain agenda and a certain goal where they, well, what I say, they
condition you in a certain way.
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So by the time a person is 20, 25, the only thing what we have learned and if we are
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with it, and I'm not talking about the renegades or rebels or whatever it is, to meet the
expectations of other people.
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When was Walter, when was Arnold a good kid?
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When you do exactly what your parents tell you to do.
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When are you a good student?
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When you do exactly what your teacher tells you to do or professor or whatever label you.
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And then you start to work.
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When is your boss happy with you when you do exactly what he tells you to do?
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That's why I say by the time we're 2025 we've only learned to meet expectations of others.
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In other words, you're not living your own life, you're living the life of your parents,
teachers and bosses.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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It's like we learn how to be disciplined by others.
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And I know that you, this is something you also talked about how you were raised in a very
strict military household and there were very strict rules.
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And then throughout your high school years and when you were young, and that's also what
happens to most of us to different degrees, we learn how to be disciplined based on
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what others tell us to do.
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And what is the role of discipling and discipling in ourselves when we want to get out of
that and when we want to fly out?
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Well, like everything, because we live in a duality, discipline has good aspects and it
got not so good aspects.
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The really good ones are, like, well, when you get to school and everything is like, well,
you got to be obedient, you got to do what they say, you got to be on time, you got to do
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whatever.
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Those things I already knew from home.
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Yes, so for me, it was like that was easy.
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But to give another example, my first job at a multinational and well, let's say that one
of the biggest bosses in the division literally was a big guy.
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He was
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He looked like an angry man.
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He was a big man.
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Always looked like this.
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His communication was, yes, no, I'm not exaggerating this, way he communicated.
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Everybody was afraid of him.
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And when I can still recall, there was some kind of an introduction meeting, a weekend
somewhere with new people, new employees and whatever.
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I started challenging him because he said something, said, well, maybe it's a little bit
different or maybe like that.
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And all the people were like, oh, Arnold will have a problem because he's a new guy and he
starts to ask questions and to do this.
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As opposed to the other guys, I was not afraid of him because I had lived with, well, by
that time, let's say I was 26, 27, I'd lived 26 years with my father.
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So I'm like, piece of cake.
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See, like, you see, that worked to my advantage.
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So that discipline and also not at the same time is like, because that person has the
label, he's the boss, he knows the truth.
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I knew that it was not true.
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So the discipline is a good thing and a negative thing.
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The negative thing is that you can see it as a goal in itself, but discipline is like,
helping you on your journey to get where you want to go.
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So it's like I said, is that you got to use it in a
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in a way that supports what you're doing rather than limits what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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So in order to make you do the things that you want to do, so get yourself to do the
things that you want to do that you know are good for yourself and that are aligned to
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your goals.
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So that's how you use discipline.
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Yeah, I'll give a very easy but powerful example.
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Like I said, now, well, I didn't say it, like 25 years I'm running my own business.
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That could mean I could stay in my bed all day.
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I could stay here.
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I could get out of my bed at 11 in the morning and every night, well, drink beer or
whatever I want, because nobody's going to say, Arnold, you're not allowed to do that.
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And Arnold, you didn't show up on time.
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Nobody's going to say that.
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It's...
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But my discipline is helping me.
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If I wouldn't have my discipline, I would never be where I am today.
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Because, instance, I found out, I learned that for sleep, your sleep rhythm is really
crucial that you get to bed at the same time and you get out of bed at the same time,
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seven days a week.
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That might sound challenging to people, but I introduced it to myself and it
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helps a lot.
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It works great.
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But that means if I want to see a football match like, well, what was it?
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Saturday when there was the champion league final.
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Normally I would watch that, but over here it's too late.
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So I'm like, I'm not going to watch it.
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That's my discipline.
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Yeah.
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So that's in service of your own long-term health.
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And I love what you say about going to bed at the same time and getting up at this, the
same time.
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And this is something that is very underestimated lately.
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And I, I came to, to learn about this.
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I use a whoop.
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So one of those fancy bands.
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And so here's called sleep consistency.
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And this is one of the, is it as an important...
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sorts of information and the data.
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And sometimes it can be even more important that the amount of sleep you're getting, like
the consistency that you're getting.
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So this is very in line to to scientific research and like the latest data we have on
sleep performance and how we can do better.
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And sleep is such an important thing.
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And I recently been paying more attention and it's hard.
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And at the same time, it's like,
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It's so basic and it's so fundamental and so available to most of us.
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That's something that we can do.
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And at the same time, it's so challenging because the temptations are endless.
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Like to stay up at night to get up late, especially for an entrepreneur.
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Like I just say, if we don't rule ourselves, there's no one else ruling us.
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Yeah, but at the same time, if you start applying it, you will see the benefits.
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And then the other end, what I noticed is if you use it, if I don't do it, I'm very
disappointed in myself.
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besides that, I wouldn't feel rested or having a headache or whatever.
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It's like, was like, oh, Arnold, that was really shitty behavior.
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It's like, it's so...
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it, I, well, instead of external validation, I start to validate myself.
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Yeah.
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It's like you started letting yourself down.
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Yeah, yeah, but it's like, hey, I, in essence, I was not good for myself.
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the same thing happened.
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Let me give another example.
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Walter is like, when I stopped drinking alcohol.
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I was used to drinking alcohol every day.
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And then I made the decision to stop.
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Which by doing it, fortunately, well, I would have been close to addiction, but I wasn't
so I could stop and there were no physical problems.
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But your environment, that's what you meant.
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Your environment is, has a huge influence on that.
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It's like, yeah, I was playing hockey and after the hockey match, we would, we would drink
a beer.
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Or like, would you like a beer?
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No.
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Huh?
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Are you okay?
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Yeah.
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Yeah, or their parties, or the opposite is like, had really a lousy day and you would like
to drink some alcohol, or you cannot sleep and you would say, yeah, and eat, or you feel
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sick and you need some alcohol.
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All these things, no, not going to do it.
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That's tough.
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Mm.
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But again, it's like, that's the beginning.
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Once you get through the process...
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I literally am now sick if you want me to drink one sip of alcohol.
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I will be sick.
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I noticed because it was two years ago, I drink in the weekend alcohol-free beer and in
the shelter were all these were all alcohol-free beer, but apparently they had set a
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bottle or a can on the wrong place.
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I just opened up the can and drinking and the first step I did, know, and then after sip
two, was like, maybe I'm getting sick.
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I don't know what happened, but I really feel sick.
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Feel nauseous, whatever.
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And then I, at some point I looked at the can, was like, moly, it's got alcohol in it.
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I was really, I was really sick after just two sips.
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So I was like, oh, that's really good news.
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So even if I tried.
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I feel really sick.
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Yeah, you develop more sensitivity to that.
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And I was also thinking when, you were speaking about, like what you mentioned of when you
spoke up to that boss, you were in that corporate environment, that big boss.
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And I was thinking also on the role of discomfort in all this conformity.
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In that moment, you decided to speak up and you were willing to...
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maybe it wasn't so uncomfortable for you because you practice and you had some repetitions
at home because of the house where you were brought up.
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And let's say that someone wants is feeling that discomfort and in conformity and wants to
start breaking free from that.
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This, this person feeling the discomfort of conformity.
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and wants to break free.
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What are the first steps to breaking free and flying out?
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Well, your first step is that you will most likely feel fear.
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Because you are going to do something uncomfortable and you know it and you're anxious,
you're worried.
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How will people react?
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How will I respond?
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How will I do it?
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And it's like, I don't want to do it.
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And it might be painful or it might be not nice.
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Whatever.
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But any change, well, I don't know whether it was intentionally or not, but you made a
nice thing.
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It looked like the same word, like discomfort and conformity.
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Conformity means you are very comfortable in your situation and you're most likely you
have all your habits and your process and everything.
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I'm used to doing this.
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That's where I feel comfortable.
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That's what I would like to continue doing.
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When you're this comfortable, because you step out of your conformity and say, hey, I'm no
longer going to do that.
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That creates uncertainty.
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is so besides fear, it will create uncertainty is like, I don't know whether I can do it
or how it will work out.
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For instance, let me take the example of me
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stopping with alcohol.
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had a date when I stood up, but I didn't know whether I would get shaky hands or I would
be because I drink a lot of alcohol.
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So I was like, maybe there are now some signs popping up that I'm really addicted.
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I didn't know.
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So that creates uncertainty, that creates discomfort.
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But any change is in the beginning uncomfortable.
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So you got to be comfortable in being uncomfortable.
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That's what I teach people.
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It's part of the process and we forget about it, but when we were young, very young, well,
I cannot recall when I started to walk or whatever, you were first crawling and then you
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start to walk.
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That was not comfortable from the very beginning.
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I can still recall starting to bike and even later on when I had to learn how to drive a
car.
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And in Netherlands, most of you have manual gearbox.
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It's not easy, but looking in the bike, it's it's something where you think it's not
difficult or easy because everybody's doing it.
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And then you start to do it for the first time and you're like, well, this is more
difficult than I thought.
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And so you feel very uncomfortable and you're like, wow, this is difficult.
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I can still remember when I had to learn how to drive in the car.
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I was like, I'm never going to learn this.
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This is so difficult.
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Yeah, because it was like, yeah, you had to...
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put with the ones with the brake and the other ones the gas and the other ones the clutch
and then you have the gearbox and then you have to look in your mirrors.
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I was looking like this.
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what's in the window?
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Oh, I've to do this.
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I was like, there's too much.
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I cannot do it.
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That's being uncomfortable, but that's part of any change.
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You are a wizard.
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You speak many languages.
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But the beginning of every new language is not easy, it's uncomfortable.
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Hmm?
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Yeah, it is confusing.
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Yeah.
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And it's like, I thought it worked like that.
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It doesn't work like that.
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Oh, I don't know what that word is.
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Or then how these things work.
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It's like every new thing, and we don't realize it in the beginning, is uncomfortable.
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But that's part of the process.
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If you stop then, then you're lost.
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But if you just continue, it becomes easier, easier, easier by the time you don't even
notice.
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So yeah, it get better and easier and you don't even have to think because it becomes like
an autopilot.
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Yeah.
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The unconscious competence, right?
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Yeah.
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I love what you said about being comfortable in discomfort.
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And I deeply resonate with that.
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And I agree that's so important in this process.
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And you also talk about unconditioning and you said this is kind of an art.
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And what exactly is that process or what does it look like in...
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everyday life.
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Could you give us a couple of examples?
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How can we uncondition ourselves?
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Well, it starts like everything with awareness.
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Awareness that you are being conditioned.
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Which I didn't know when I was young, when I was growing up.
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So without realizing you're being conditioned by your parents, you're being conditioned by
your teachers, you're being conditioned by your boss.
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Maybe you have a partner, you're being conditioned by your partner because they all want
you to behave in a certain way.
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And even maybe you're part of a team or a group of friends or whatever.
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Like everybody to be part of the group, you have to behave in a certain way.
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And you have to detach to see
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that people only like you or people when you do exactly what they expect you to do.
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That is the awareness.
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So the awareness is like, in my hockey team, they like that when I drink beer and I was
the only one not drinking beer, they become uncomfortable with me.
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So it is the social conditioning which I realized.
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You're no longer a member of the herd.
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You're doing something different.
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They don't like you anymore.
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Number one is the awareness that there is conditioning and that you are being conditioned
well, basically throughout your life unless you step out of it.
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And some things
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take a lot of work because you have to adapt to new things.
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Another thing is by the moment I tell you that's the way it would look.
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But let me give you an example which really had a huge impact on me and has had a huge
impact on my clients.
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I'm sure about you and your clients is that
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I told you that at some point in time, I get out of the corporate world, then I got a
coach.
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And again, this 25 years ago, so that was not a natural thing to do.
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And at some point, I was discussing with him what I wanted to do now.
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Whether I would want another corporate job or something else or do this or that.
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And when I was explaining to my coach what I wanted to do,
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It's like they, said, Arnold, you only said what you don't want.
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I said, I don't want a boss.
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I don't want a company which is slow.
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I don't want something with this long process.
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Don't want this.
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Don't, you always say, but you don't want.
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I said, okay, yeah, you're right about that.
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But Arnold, what do you want?
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What?
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I literally was lost for words.
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I couldn't answer at all.
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That was when I, to your listen, I was at the beginning of my 40s.
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He asked that question and I literally didn't know what to say.
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That was the first time in my life, that someone had asked me that question.
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So that is indicative, well, my experience and many, many other people's that we're so
used that other people tells us what we have to want and what we have to do,
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that we not even ever thought about it.
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My parents, my teacher, nobody had ever asked me that question, Arnold, what do you want?
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It's a big deal, right?
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Isn't it very unnatural that I was in my 40s, but I can talk now with people in their 70s,
80s, most people still don't know because nobody had asked them that question.
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So I think that's very sad.
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It's very sad.
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And that is the realization about...
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Well, I've been totally focused on making other people happy with my behavior.
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So what I'm doing, saying, whatever, if that is in line with these other people expect
from me, I am okay.
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So that is what you could also call external validation.
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You're totally focused on the external world.
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Did I do it okay?
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Are they satisfied?
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Did I make a mistake?
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But Arnold, what do you want?
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Well, this has been my journey ever since.
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And I'm still discovering who I am and where I need to learn.
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I want to, well, need to grow, want to grow, want to understand.
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I even worked on it this morning.
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You see, like, that is a huge shift,
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that we need to start those asking those questions ourselves rather than wait for someone
else to tell us what to do.
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So that's the main thing.
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What is my definition of unconditioning is to dismantle the straight jackets of other
people's agenda.
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I so appreciate what you say about this increasing this awareness that we have and the
difference between stating what we want in a negative or in the positive.
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And even though this might be like a first step for many people, or this is what we are
used to do.
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Like when you asked me, what do I want?
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I don't want to be overweight or I don't want to be lazy.
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And maybe there's another step beyond that, that is
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I want to do this, I want to be this in a positive.
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And instead of stop being this in a sense, it's like we keep recreating that, right?
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Absolutely, but that there is a, well, you could call it conditioning, but you can also
call it a huge mistake in our lives that we think the way we are being educated is that,
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okay, you go to school, you do a certain vocational training, and then it's like, okay,
let's say you're 20, 25.
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What you're taught then is you're supposed to do the work which you choose for the next 45
years.
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That is the message which has been given is like you do that and by the time let's say
you're 70, you can retire and do nice things.
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That is the narrative upon which the whole education system is built, the whole society is
built, but that narrative is totally untrue.
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Especially in today's world where things are so rapidly changing every day that it would
be even impossible to do what you're doing today in the same thing for the next 20, 30, 40
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years.
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It doesn't exist.
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The narrative brings you in a world which maybe used to exist 100 years ago, but it
certainly doesn't exist now anymore.
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Indeed, what you said, you continuously have to adapt and learn and grow.
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But the moment you grow, the moment you start to understand, it's like, who's Walter?
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What do I like?
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You have to test, you have to try, you have to be curious.
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But maybe you try something and say, maybe I like painting.
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I tried it for a couple of months.
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I really don't like painting.
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Fine, do something else.
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So it's like you try and then you think, and then there's some other stuff.
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I really like that.
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I didn't know I would like that.
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Well, let me give my own example.
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It's writing.
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Writing in the sand or writing books.
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I just finished three small, I call them, tales, which are my first attempt at nonfiction
writing.
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I've written a couple of nonfiction books and I now can say I know how to do that and I
can do that, but this is my first attempt where I incorporate nonfiction stuff.
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That
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talking about being uncomfortable.
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So he's like, oh, okay, I had to try these things.
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But I like.
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Before that, years before that, if you would say, Arnold, you're going to be a writer and
write a couple of books, I would say, you're totally crazy.
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I don't like writing.
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But it's like, you evolve, you grow, you develop, and whatever.
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And now I'm like, I kind of like writing.
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So it's like, you have to try, but it's like, you are today not the same person as the
same person in five years, 10 years, 15, 20, et cetera.
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At that point in time, you have to adapt to what fits you, who you are in that moment.
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Yeah, we are limiting ourselves and it's like we are not using our...
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fully our imagination and we are contracting our own sense of possibility.
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And this is something I see around all the time.
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People are looking for their purpose.
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What is that I'm going to do with my life?
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And I keep, and I can keep thinking about what's my ultimate purpose and what I'm here to
do.
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And people are not willing to, to,
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go on experiments and experimenting things and trying things out and putting that into
practice and seeing what it's like.
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And instead what I see is people, prefer to just be in their head and their thoughts and
think that maybe after watching enough YouTube videos or Instagram reels, they will
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finally find out what their purpose was.
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If that was something lost, I don't know what it is.
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Yeah, well, actually, I find it very sad.
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I had that problem myself as well, because that's what all the literature says.
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And this has been going on for 20, 30 years.
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Like, oh, you need to have a purpose.
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What's your purpose?
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What's your passion?
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Yeah, like, yeah, what's that?
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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And then I tell you, maybe it's 90 % plus the people, have no clue, but everybody's like,
oh, I need to have something.
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So in your example where people make a choice,
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it's more likely, well, let's do this.
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So that question stops bothering me.
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It's not a choice from your heart.
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It's just like, oh, I need to have an answer and I need to do this.
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And that's another sign of being uncomfortable is like, except that you don't know.
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Not knowing is fine.
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Not knowing, I say it's part of my philosophy, like, most beautiful sayings start from
being in this void.
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You're in a void is like, hey, I am here.
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Maybe I want to go there, but I don't know the next steps.
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I don't know what to do.
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in that void, that is where you learn, that is where you grow.
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that is where you say exactly like you said, experiment is like, I don't know, but let's
try painting.
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I don't like painting.
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Okay, well, maybe writing.
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Hey, that writing is nice.
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I didn't know that.
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And so it like
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experiment, try, do all these things.
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But in that void, the void is OK, whereas in our reality, they say, no, you must
constantly know what to do.
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And I think it's nonsense.
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It's it's impossible.
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It's like you grow as a human being.
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The world changes, the world grows.
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And it's like, mean, just before this call, I'm working on a new
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offering but it's like where I'm considering one of the things which which really drives
me is like what to do with AI and how to help people.
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It's incredible the number of people who are losing their jobs due to AI and it will be
even accelerating it.
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And I give you the numbers only in the US this year.
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So let's say it's from January to May, 700,000 people have lost their jobs.
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It's not only AI, it's also humanoid robots, but it's like, I was envisioning like, what
does it mean for the future?
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What does it mean for work?
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How can I help those people?
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What should they do?
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Because maybe they're like, I'm going to do the same job in other go.
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Yeah.
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But they also have the AI and then they have this.
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So I'm in a situation of not knowing.
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I don't have the answers yet.
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I hope to get somewhere.
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But it's like, that's part of your process.
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The part of the process is like, I don't know.
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But I'm figuring out and I'm thinking about it and sooner or later I will get some
insights and then I will hopefully have some answers where I can help people.
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Yeah, you're figuring it out and you're curious and you're open and you have a willingness
to learn more about that.
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And you said something very interesting is that in this era, humans are robotized and
robots are humanized.
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What are the implications of this?
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Can you tell us more about that?
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Unfortunately, the implications you see every day, there's been a lot of research and
studies and I've been speaking with people all over the world is that people's IQ
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intelligence quotient is declining, emotional quotient is declining, mental health
quotient is declining.
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And I'm adding another one of which are called communication intelligence is also
declining.
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So people are not
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comfortable anymore in critical thinking, in understanding, in memorizing, in long-term
view.
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We can go into why that is.
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00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:43,617
It's clearly, in my opinion, not the fault of those people.
442
00:30:43,617 --> 00:30:45,284
It's not the fault of the student.
443
00:30:45,284 --> 00:30:48,917
It's the fault of a lot of other things which are happening in the world right now.
444
00:30:48,917 --> 00:30:54,792
But that means that's what I say is like you already see that people are being robotized.
445
00:30:54,792 --> 00:30:56,555
Look at, I'm sure in
446
00:30:56,555 --> 00:30:57,823
Are you still in Uruguay?
447
00:30:57,823 --> 00:30:59,134
I'm still in Uruguay, right.
448
00:30:59,134 --> 00:31:09,485
Yeah, so it like, if you see, and it used to be a year ago, whatever, when you see young
women walking on the street, they would walk like this.
449
00:31:09,485 --> 00:31:12,278
They would walk like with their phone in their hands.
450
00:31:12,278 --> 00:31:14,660
Yeah, used to be mainly women.
451
00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:15,822
This was a year ago.
452
00:31:15,822 --> 00:31:18,833
And that's the way they walk on the sidewalk.
453
00:31:18,833 --> 00:31:22,018
I see them every day on the sidewalk and they go to the bus station.
454
00:31:22,018 --> 00:31:25,593
So they are already being guided by that phone.
455
00:31:25,593 --> 00:31:36,106
What has changed now, you see young men doing it, but now you see also senior citizens
walking with this thing and sitting in the bus constantly looking at this thing.
456
00:31:36,106 --> 00:31:39,229
That is what I call conditioning through the technology.
457
00:31:39,229 --> 00:31:43,214
That means you're robotized because you can do nothing without this thing.
458
00:31:43,214 --> 00:31:44,870
We are nobody.
459
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:47,069
We are useless without a phone.
460
00:31:47,069 --> 00:31:58,129
Yeah, well, I'm pretty sure that 99 % of the people, suppose you're going to your work or
to your school or whatever, you're like, oh, I left my phone at home.
461
00:31:58,129 --> 00:31:59,752
People would get totally crazy.
462
00:31:59,752 --> 00:32:04,137
So that's why I say is what you already see and what's happening.
463
00:32:04,137 --> 00:32:14,016
And unfortunately, you see it in the numbers is that critical thinking, understanding IQ,
everything, people cannot do anything and people cannot think, they cannot calculate.
464
00:32:14,016 --> 00:32:20,185
They cannot calculate if I ask you what is five times 36, they don't know, they got to put
it on the phone.
465
00:32:20,185 --> 00:32:21,571
This is already the case.
466
00:32:21,571 --> 00:32:23,200
This is the case all over the world.
467
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:31,237
If you talk about, sure, that's why I say people are robotized and this is going very,
very fast and I'm very worried about that.
468
00:32:31,237 --> 00:32:34,550
The other thing is that robots are being humanized.
469
00:32:34,550 --> 00:32:37,353
Literally they're called humanoid robots.
470
00:32:37,353 --> 00:32:42,358
And if you integrate, and that's what's happening is like robots with AI.
471
00:32:42,449 --> 00:32:52,297
They almost can do anything from cooking your meal to being a barista in a coffee bar to
working in a warehouse for Amazon.
472
00:32:52,297 --> 00:33:00,101
It's it's an even putting stuff in and out your dishwasher in your home without breaking
your plates, whatever.
473
00:33:00,101 --> 00:33:02,092
It's like, it's totally incredible.
474
00:33:02,092 --> 00:33:02,943
It's totally.
475
00:33:02,943 --> 00:33:05,666
you've seen, there are now a lot of videos about
476
00:33:05,666 --> 00:33:10,997
robots were dancing or they're jumping over things on the parkour.
477
00:33:10,997 --> 00:33:19,288
I think I wrote it down 10 years ago.
478
00:33:19,288 --> 00:33:21,759
This is the reality of today.
479
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:23,461
Yeah, it's like science fiction.
480
00:33:23,461 --> 00:33:25,587
It's like we are living in a movie.
481
00:33:25,587 --> 00:33:26,541
It's like a film.
482
00:33:26,541 --> 00:33:29,014
Definitely, but that is really the case.
483
00:33:29,014 --> 00:33:34,555
But we have to realize that we are totally losing control over our own lives.
484
00:33:34,555 --> 00:33:42,247
And what is the place for brain fitness and the work you do here in all this turmoil and
all these changes that are happening?
485
00:33:42,247 --> 00:33:54,116
So what I'm trying to help people with is that most people by now understand that in order
to keep your body functioning at a certain level, you need to exercise, you need to move.
486
00:33:54,116 --> 00:34:00,558
So that is when the term body fitness or fitness in itself start to emerge.
487
00:34:00,558 --> 00:34:02,291
When I was young, it didn't exist.
488
00:34:02,291 --> 00:34:10,998
So anyone you ask now is like, maybe you can go to the gym, you can walk your dog, you can
play tennis, you can play football, it doesn't matter.
489
00:34:10,998 --> 00:34:21,479
But people understand that, in order for my body to keep on functioning, and especially if
I get older, it's crucial that I do some movement, some exercise.
490
00:34:21,479 --> 00:34:22,271
Okay?
491
00:34:22,271 --> 00:34:23,992
But what are you doing for your brain?
492
00:34:23,992 --> 00:34:28,448
I just explained that basically, especially already young people,
493
00:34:28,448 --> 00:34:31,990
your brain is declining, is degrading, is declining.
494
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:34,670
But that would happen to your body as well.
495
00:34:34,670 --> 00:34:39,521
Ask a person who never exercises and you can see how they are.
496
00:34:39,521 --> 00:34:44,961
That is why it's really crucial that you do the same for your brain.
497
00:34:44,961 --> 00:34:48,212
Your brain also after the age of 30 starts to decline.
498
00:34:48,212 --> 00:34:53,587
At first it's slow, but the moment you get older and older, it starts faster and faster
and faster.
499
00:34:53,587 --> 00:34:59,863
So just like with your body, you understand you get to keep on moving, getting it fit and
doing these things.
500
00:34:59,863 --> 00:35:03,997
That's when I realized like, hey, you need to do the same thing for your brain.
501
00:35:03,997 --> 00:35:12,685
So that means you can prevent a lot of negative things like mental illnesses, whatever,
also elderly diseases.
502
00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:18,442
But at the same time, and you alluded to that earlier, you're like, we have so much more
potential, Walter.
503
00:35:18,442 --> 00:35:20,701
We have so much more things that we can do.
504
00:35:20,701 --> 00:35:22,588
How many languages again do you speak?
505
00:35:22,588 --> 00:35:23,220
Six, seven?
506
00:35:23,220 --> 00:35:23,823
What is it?
507
00:35:23,823 --> 00:35:24,860
Five, five languages.
508
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:25,281
Five.
509
00:35:25,281 --> 00:35:29,256
Said, most people, they only speak one language or maybe two.
510
00:35:29,256 --> 00:35:34,231
And people was like, that's totally impossible, you're speaking five languages.
511
00:35:34,231 --> 00:35:36,305
No, here's Walter, he speaks five.
512
00:35:36,305 --> 00:35:38,835
I know people who speak 10 or 20.
513
00:35:38,835 --> 00:35:40,008
uh
514
00:35:40,008 --> 00:35:44,810
I had an uncle who had the languages, but he spoke the old version.
515
00:35:44,810 --> 00:35:47,281
So he didn't speak Persian, but old Persian.
516
00:35:47,281 --> 00:35:51,962
And he was a professor in old languages.
517
00:35:51,962 --> 00:35:54,659
So it's like we can do so much more.
518
00:35:54,659 --> 00:35:55,359
we can.
519
00:35:55,359 --> 00:36:02,679
Everyone can do and be so much more, but we are limited what I call by straight jackets
that we cannot do these things.
520
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:06,304
I asked people like a year ago, there were the Olympics in Paris.
521
00:36:06,304 --> 00:36:07,405
And I say, have you watched?
522
00:36:07,405 --> 00:36:08,737
Yeah, yeah, I've watched that.
523
00:36:08,737 --> 00:36:12,051
Have you seen some of the games?
524
00:36:12,051 --> 00:36:12,602
Yeah, yeah.
525
00:36:12,602 --> 00:36:14,504
Have you seen the gold medal winner?
526
00:36:14,504 --> 00:36:15,355
Yeah, I've seen it.
527
00:36:15,355 --> 00:36:15,957
Okay.
528
00:36:15,957 --> 00:36:19,593
How many of those gold medal winners were in a straight jacket?
529
00:36:19,593 --> 00:36:21,436
What are you saying, Arnold?
530
00:36:21,436 --> 00:36:22,577
Strange question.
531
00:36:22,577 --> 00:36:24,889
Of course nobody had a straight jacket.
532
00:36:24,889 --> 00:36:26,651
Yes, why is it of course?
533
00:36:26,651 --> 00:36:29,463
It's of course because that would be limiting, right?
534
00:36:29,463 --> 00:36:30,054
Yes.
535
00:36:30,054 --> 00:36:33,087
So why do you wear a straight jacket every day?
536
00:36:33,087 --> 00:36:35,826
Because I'm not an Olympic athlete.
537
00:36:35,826 --> 00:36:37,060
That might be the answer.
538
00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:40,436
No, it's because I call them invisible straight jackets.
539
00:36:40,436 --> 00:36:42,049
I have by now a list.
540
00:36:42,049 --> 00:36:46,105
I've identified 35 different straight jackets which we are wearing.
541
00:36:46,105 --> 00:36:51,083
Out of those 35, I would say 33 I wore myself and I didn't know.
542
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:55,198
So if you remove them, you're like, I didn't know I could do that.
543
00:36:55,198 --> 00:36:56,299
I feel more free.
544
00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:58,080
I feel more healthy.
545
00:36:58,080 --> 00:36:59,672
My well-being increases.
546
00:36:59,672 --> 00:37:01,844
My performance increases.
547
00:37:01,844 --> 00:37:05,989
My creativity increases because I remove all those limitations.
548
00:37:05,989 --> 00:37:09,734
What is the most prevalent of these straight jackets that you have numbered?
549
00:37:09,734 --> 00:37:12,063
That you see more, like "this is all over the place"?
550
00:37:12,063 --> 00:37:14,150
I would like to answer two.
551
00:37:15,148 --> 00:37:15,476
Okay.
552
00:37:15,476 --> 00:37:16,271
oh
553
00:37:17,458 --> 00:37:30,952
What I call the subordination straight jacket is like, yeah, is whether it's at home or
with your bosses, whatever is like, hey, I'm the authority figure.
554
00:37:30,952 --> 00:37:35,337
I'm the boss and you should be doing what what I tell you to do.
555
00:37:35,337 --> 00:37:35,788
And
556
00:37:35,788 --> 00:37:41,784
that way of telling these things is how do they do that is they always start to criticize
you.
557
00:37:41,784 --> 00:37:43,685
Like, Walter, you got three faults.
558
00:37:43,685 --> 00:37:46,086
They don't say you get seven good answers.
559
00:37:46,086 --> 00:37:47,478
No, you get three wrong.
560
00:37:47,478 --> 00:37:48,698
And this is your mistake.
561
00:37:48,698 --> 00:37:49,679
And this is a failure.
562
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:50,950
And this is not good enough.
563
00:37:50,950 --> 00:38:01,131
And you should think the consequences of that is that I would say without exception, I
haven't met any person who's not that we all have the feeling that we're not good enough.
564
00:38:01,131 --> 00:38:06,804
Everybody recognized that is if I say, be honest, do you have the feeling you're not good
enough?
565
00:38:06,804 --> 00:38:08,776
Yeah, I have that feeling.
566
00:38:08,776 --> 00:38:10,066
I also have that feeling.
567
00:38:10,066 --> 00:38:11,257
It's still part of me.
568
00:38:11,257 --> 00:38:19,291
It's that is because of subordination, because the way to keep you low is to constantly
point you is like, that's not good.
569
00:38:19,291 --> 00:38:19,942
That's not good.
570
00:38:19,942 --> 00:38:20,473
That's not
571
00:38:20,473 --> 00:38:21,570
What would be the second?
572
00:38:21,570 --> 00:38:29,780
The second one is done in religion and in spirituality, whatever it is that they have the
same approach.
573
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:33,073
Well, in most religion, they tell you you're a sinner.
574
00:38:33,073 --> 00:38:34,055
You're not good enough.
575
00:38:34,055 --> 00:38:35,697
You didn't do these things okay.
576
00:38:35,697 --> 00:38:37,378
And you have to shape up.
577
00:38:37,378 --> 00:38:38,890
Otherwise, you get to hell.
578
00:38:38,890 --> 00:38:40,391
You don't want to go to hell.
579
00:38:40,391 --> 00:38:41,813
But now you're not good enough.
580
00:38:41,813 --> 00:38:43,226
You got to change these things.
581
00:38:43,226 --> 00:38:51,337
And it doesn't matter whether you're a Catholic or a Buddhist or Islam.
582
00:38:51,337 --> 00:38:52,088
It doesn't matter.
583
00:38:52,088 --> 00:38:53,510
It's all the same.
584
00:38:53,510 --> 00:38:54,872
You are a sinner.
585
00:38:54,872 --> 00:38:58,427
You're doing a lot of things wrong and you should change that.
586
00:38:58,427 --> 00:39:00,033
Yeah, so.
587
00:39:00,047 --> 00:39:11,150
To close this conversation, to close this conversation, if each listener today would have
to take one small step toward unconditioning themselves, something small that they can do
588
00:39:11,150 --> 00:39:15,056
today, they can start practicing right now, not tomorrow, what would that be?
589
00:39:15,056 --> 00:39:18,341
Very simple and very difficult at the same time.
590
00:39:18,341 --> 00:39:21,307
I would invite you to be kind to yourself.
591
00:39:21,307 --> 00:39:22,460
Kind to ourselves.
592
00:39:22,460 --> 00:39:22,963
Yeah.
593
00:39:22,963 --> 00:39:23,773
Thank you.
594
00:39:23,773 --> 00:39:27,935
Is there anything else that you'd like to add to this conversation ?
595
00:39:27,935 --> 00:39:34,140
And I know that you have something, a resource to share with us and with my audience about
what you do.
596
00:39:34,140 --> 00:39:39,104
And before sharing that, is there anything else you'd like to share about that we haven't
covered?
597
00:39:39,104 --> 00:39:47,680
Well, I normally say as a starting point, there are three starting points and they're
quite crucial in this respect.
598
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,137
Number one is it's not your fault.
599
00:39:50,137 --> 00:39:57,464
Meaning, most of us feel lousy, have health problems, mental, emotional challenges, have
everything.
600
00:39:57,464 --> 00:40:01,297
But we all think because of that conditioning that it's our fault.
601
00:40:01,297 --> 00:40:03,329
And I say it's not your fault.
602
00:40:03,329 --> 00:40:08,692
I explained a little bit how it's your environment which has impacted you.
603
00:40:08,692 --> 00:40:12,426
And even when you're growing up as a kid, you have no influence on that.
604
00:40:12,426 --> 00:40:13,977
Realize it's not your fault.
605
00:40:13,977 --> 00:40:15,489
There's nothing wrong with you.
606
00:40:15,489 --> 00:40:23,939
Number two, I alluded to that as well, is that I would say, nook the narrative and start
writing your own story.
607
00:40:23,939 --> 00:40:35,828
So don't believe all the narratives from the COVID to the religious one, to that we all
have to go into the AI thing, whatever it is like.
608
00:40:35,828 --> 00:40:36,490
No.
609
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:37,853
Create your own story.
610
00:40:37,853 --> 00:40:45,734
And number three is instead of what we're doing in the conditioning is that you're living
from the outside in.
611
00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:53,854
How do people react to me and what do they expect me to do and what do they want me to do
live from the inside out?
612
00:40:53,854 --> 00:40:54,776
Wonderful.
613
00:40:54,776 --> 00:41:00,164
So we are concluding this episode with those three.
614
00:41:00,164 --> 00:41:01,117
I appreciate that.
615
00:41:01,117 --> 00:41:05,982
And where can people experience and get to know more about the work that you do?
616
00:41:05,982 --> 00:41:09,195
And is there anything you'd like to share with my audience?
617
00:41:09,195 --> 00:41:10,918
I know that there's a masterclass.
618
00:41:10,918 --> 00:41:15,529
Yes, I have basically two kinds of offerings on my website.
619
00:41:15,529 --> 00:41:17,771
It's called braingym.fitness.
620
00:41:17,771 --> 00:41:21,623
And my masterclass are videos about a specific topic.
621
00:41:21,623 --> 00:41:26,527
They're around 90 minute videos, like finding out what your uniqueness is.
622
00:41:26,527 --> 00:41:29,108
I think that's a much better question than your purpose.
623
00:41:29,108 --> 00:41:31,579
So figure out what your uniqueness is.
624
00:41:31,579 --> 00:41:33,330
It's about relationships.
625
00:41:33,330 --> 00:41:36,428
It's about stimulating your curiosity.
626
00:41:36,428 --> 00:41:38,089
It's about dealing with emotion.
627
00:41:38,089 --> 00:41:41,370
So a couple of different topics specific for that topic.
628
00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:47,914
It's a workshop I do with someone else, but there are questions with you, hopefully apply
to your own life.
629
00:41:47,914 --> 00:41:58,048
So those are the master classes and the main training from fitting into find out is the 15
week training where there's one 90 minute session each week.
630
00:41:58,048 --> 00:42:04,472
And in the period in between you start to apply it, you start to learn, you start to
research things around it.
631
00:42:04,472 --> 00:42:05,056
And then
632
00:42:05,056 --> 00:42:05,956
the next week.
633
00:42:05,956 --> 00:42:12,076
So there's a 15 week training to help you to make that shift from fitting in to flying
out.
634
00:42:12,076 --> 00:42:14,347
So that's all on BrainGym.Fitness.
635
00:42:14,347 --> 00:42:24,298
If you still have questions or need something to ask me, there's a link to my agenda so
you can book a meeting with me and we can just have a conversation.
636
00:42:24,298 --> 00:42:25,099
Wonderful.
637
00:42:25,099 --> 00:42:26,699
Thank you so much, Arnold.
638
00:42:26,699 --> 00:42:28,020
It's been great.
639
00:42:28,020 --> 00:42:40,029
I learned a lot and I know that my audience also will expand their views and their sense
of possibility around learning and their sense of fitness beyond body fitness to brain
640
00:42:40,029 --> 00:42:43,001
fitness and the other things that we covered today.
641
00:42:43,001 --> 00:42:43,952
Thank you so much.
642
00:42:43,952 --> 00:42:44,886
Thank you, Walter.