Hey, one more thing before you go.

Ever wonder what lurks in the shadows or what goes bump in the night?

Join us for a special Halloween 2024 edition of over the Teacup Sunday with Michael and Diane where we delve into our scariest and earliest experiences with the paranormal and the supernatural.

From spine chilling encounters to eerie tales that have haunted us throughout the years.

We're going to share some stories that will make you question the unknown and perhaps even send shivers down your spine.

So grab your favorite tea or whatever you're drinking, settle in and let's explore the mysteries that lie beyond the veil.

This is an episode you won't want to miss.

Welcome to one more thing before you go.

I'm your host, Michael Hurst and I'm here with my lovely wife and co host Diane.

Hey, Diane.

Hello, Michael.

You know it's almost Halloween.

I know.

Getting excited.

Pretty close.

Yep, it's just around the corner.

And we even got some really cool kind of extra Halloween decorations this year.

Yes, we did.

Just a few.

Just a few.

I wish we could get a few more.

But that'll come down next year.

Maybe next year will be one of those houses that the neighbors go, don't go anywhere near that house.

Just threw up.

Halloween.

No, we already have one of those in the neighborhood that looks like Halloween threw up.

We don't need another one.

Well, here would be the difference.

The difference would be that house and I'm not naming anybody, so it's okay.

No, I'm not saying anything, but that house is mostly just a bunch of blow up stuff and just kind of a bunch of stuff crammed into a little thing.

See, next year, next year we're going to do like some spooky movies that are going to be showing on the garage and through the windows and you're going to just be ghouls and ghosts and goblins and lights, lights and you know, that kind of thing.

So that.

Yeah, it's going to be.

And I think we should dress up next year too.

We don't usually dress up.

We got to dress up next year.

We should do that.

Yes, we should do that.

Our goal is an old man.

What are you going on?

An old woman.

No, I want to spice it.

I want to be a witch.

I was looking for a witch's costumes.

I want to be a witch.

Well, we're going to do that and then I'm going to get that thing I've been wanting.

The 12 foot blow up ghoulie ghost that wears.

You have been talking about this almost Daily.

Yes.

That you want this thing.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's going to be fun.

We're going to.

Yeah, we're going to light up the neighborhood.

I think everybody's going to dare.

Do you remember, remember when we were still living in Woodland Park?

Oh, I know exactly what you're talking about because I got hurt.

There was a house down the road.

Now, we lived up in the mountains about 8, 500ft behind pikes Peak.

Our front yard basically was the backside of Pikes Peak.

And yes, we're talking about that Pikes Peak.

And it was beautiful.

Now, Halloween, typically every year, pretty much every year the girls were growing up, we typically had a blizzard on Halloween or snow.

It was always cold.

So it was a matter of could you get out before it hit or, you know, and get all your stuff done and get the kids back in or did, you know, you just try to go to a party or what?

But we.

It was nice because we had a lot of kids that roamed the neighborhood.

And there was one house, one house you could.

And look, those are lots.

You have a regular lot, just a regular lot, like an 8,000 square foot lot like we have here.

And then we had a third acre lot next to us that divided us between the other neighbors.

So there was a lot of these up in our neighborhood up there.

So when I say this, you know, you understand that you could hear the screams coming from that house and they were theoretically probably a block away.

Yeah, I'd say about a block.

You could see the house from our front porch.

Yeah.

And you could see it because of the fact that we lived the way we all lived up there, where you had acreage between the houses.

So you can still see that.

But it was.

You always lit it up good.

And tell them what happened.

Well, first of all, it was nice because you gotta understand the challenge of doing this at 8,500ft in the snow is that you get your kids in the best costume you can get them in, and you get them who they want to be, and then you bundle them up for the winter and then you have to run them up to the house.

Everybody gets driven around mostly, and then you run them up to the house and then you unzip their jacket and show everybody their costumes.

Costumes.

Hey, everyone.

See your costumes.

And then get a candy and you give your candy.

Then they zip them back up again and then you run back to the car.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's much different here in Arizona.

We were.

We were.

It was a different.

Different way to do Halloween.

Different world for sure.

So that one house you drew up to it and.

One house.

Yeah, that one house.

So, well, they, they did have like all the spooky stuff playing and the sounds and the screams and everything, but.

It was very creative.

Very, very creative.

It was creative.

But on the front porch they had a.

Every year they had like this big life size scarecrow or so I think it felt like it was.

Well, also that for a while.

He did it himself for a while.

No, no, no.

This is what, this is what happened every year.

It was that life size scarecrow sitting in the chair.

So every year that's what I was expecting.

And then the one year that I go up to with the kids, it was him and I didn't expect it.

And he scared the crap out of me and I tripped and I twisted my ankle.

I literally got hurt.

I'm not laughing at the twisting your ankle, but.

I know.

But yeah, you could hear kids screaming and you could hear adults screaming.

Yeah, because he.

Because it usually was.

I mean, it was scary enough with just the life size one, but it probably.

After a few years, everybody got used to it.

He's like, well, this isn't working anymore.

I'm going to dress up like that dummy.

And yeah, it worked.

And it worked.

It worked big time.

It was very scary.

It's like, happy Halloween.

Happy Halloween.

One Halloween.

Happy Halloweeny.

And then the one time that it was so there was.

I don't even know why I even had the kids out.

I know you were working, but I went ahead and drove the kids around in a blizzard and we were in our own neighborhood and literally got lost.

I had no idea where I was.

Know where the road was.

It was crazy.

And I.

I think after that we just.

We really didn't know much, you know.

Yeah, it was kind of one of those.

Yeah.

But, you know, I think a lot of that also started doing.

Eventually we also started going to parties where all the kids were because the winters were getting kind of crappy.

And that's one reason we moved to Arizona.

But still a beautiful place.

Still miss it, you know?

Still.

But that house, that house we lived in there.

There were spirits around it.

There were spirits.

It was haunted.

Cannot convince me it was not haunted.

And we lived there 15 years.

We did live there 15 years.

Co jointly with the entities we'll call them.

Yes, I did.

Kids saw them all the time.

And Nikki used to wake up with night terrors because of it and used to see kids playing.

She said those kids were playing and Dancing right there and, you know, won't leave me alone type stuff.

And Caitlin, I think Caitlin saw a.

I think both kids and I don't know if you did or not.

Didn't they see a Victorian?

Well, I had.

Yeah, I had.

So I didn't see her.

But I'll tell the story about what happened.

Or did we want to start chronologically of like our first experiences and then work up or not?

Well, let's go and tell this one and then we'll go back.

Okay.

Okay.

So, yeah, so the girls would see this.

They always described her as Victorian looking woman, but she was nice, you know, and she.

I don't remember them ever.

Well, no, Katie said she didn't.

Katie remembers not seeing her but hearing her and then Nikki doesn't really remember any of it.

But I.

It's a core memory for me.

I remember distinctly because we had gone to dinner.

The girls were old enough to stay by themselves.

They were like, I think 12 and 10 or something.

And we just real quick went to dinner, the two of us, and we came home and they were just beyond petrified.

And just as soon as we walked in the door, they like, oh my God.

Oh my God.

This is what happened.

This is what we saw.

So it's weird that they don't really remember as well as I do, but they described her as like a Victorian looking woman and kind of.

My mother has these pictures.

She's had them for years.

I think she still has them of just a lady dressed up kind of in that era with a little girl and that they said, you know, that picture grandma has, that was her.

It looked just like her.

Maybe followed them home maybe.

And so, you know, they were, they were just.

They were scared, but they were like, well, but she didn't.

It was just a scary thing to experience because it was, you know, spirit.

But they were like, well, that she was okay.

Like, we're not scared of her.

It was just a weird.

The experience itself and just to preface it just everybody understands that we lived in a.

Willow park was a small town at that time and you know, neighbors watched the neighbors and.

And so forth.

So, you know, and the kids were old.

Caitlin was old enough to.

To babysit her sister.

And yeah, we.

We didn't go very far either for dinner.

It wasn't like we were gone that way.

Yeah, very small town and so forth.

So we weren't putting our kids in danger or leaving them.

No, no.

And everybody.

But then everybody in town knew I was a cop anyway.

And you know, there was an assistant district attorney living behind us.

And.

So when this happened, you know, they said, well, she was nice.

And she, you know, seemed to like she was trying to take care of us or something.

That's how they felt.

So I think it was only a few weeks, maybe a month after this happened.

I was, of course, running late for work, because that was always the thing.

And I was looking for a pair of socks.

I needed my socks.

I need to get my shoes on.

You remember this?

Yes, I do remember this.

Oh, my God.

I'm getting.

I'm, like, just thinking about.

Okay, so our laundry room was in the downstairs part, the basement part.

And I run down there.

I go into the dryer, which.

The dryer was kind of over here.

The washing machine was over here.

They weren't.

They weren't side by side.

It was a weird.

It was an old house.

It was just a weird setup.

So the dryer's on the other side and the washers away from it.

And I knew that I just washed them, so I knew they were there.

So I go in the dryer, and I'm looking for these socks.

I'm looking for these socks.

I'm looking.

I'm looking for.

I'm digging out everything for these socks.

They are not there.

And I'm like, I just put them in last night.

I know they're here.

I'm late for work.

So I slam the dryer, and I turn around and look at the washing machine.

And on top of the washing machine are the socks side by side, perfectly ironed, flat.

Like, I want to know how it goes to iron socks.

I don't know, because obviously they don't even come out of the dryer looking ironed.

They looked flat, ironed, perfect.

And side by side, like, even the feet were facing the right directions on top of the washing machine.

And I'll tell you, we had two cats.

And these cats never were really freaked out in the house.

They, you know, usually cats are very observant when it comes to that.

You know, they really didn't freak out around the house.

Actually, we had three, when you count Max.

Max was there first, and then we had Sassy Dakota after Max passed away.

And, you know, there really wasn't a whole lot of issue, but, you know, history is that, you know, this house, Woodland park, is at the top of Ute Pass.

Ute Pass was an area where Native Americans travel from, like, Manitou Springs and up from Garden of the Gods and from the Cave of the Winds and from the cliff dwellings and everything, and had that's where they traveled up to Woodland Park.

So, you know, there's a lot of history there.

There's a lot of.

To the land.

To the land.

There's history to the land, and there's history to the land for settlers as well.

Some, you know, Western settlers.

So.

Well, you know.

Yeah, I.

And I didn't.

I was just like, oh, okay.

Thank you.

I appreciate your help.

I grabbed the socks and I ran back upstairs.

And I'm like, you're not gonna believe what happened.

I don't have time to tell you, but this is crazy.

So after that, I just kind of always just talked to her, you know, and said, hey, you know, thanks for the.

Thanks for the assistance and thanks for watching over the girls.

And, you know, and then I think it was after that that Katie moved her room downstairs like you had moved your office, and she moved her room in there.

And she did not sleep well downstairs at all.

She did not sleep.

She didn't like it.

And I know the first.

The first night we spent there, actually, she was just a baby and you and I.

And she spent the night on the living room floor.

I mean, we didn't have any furniture or anything.

I felt it.

I felt many things going on.

Like it was.

That was an empty house.

And the.

We had skylights, huge 4 by 8 skylights across the whole roof so you could look up and see the stars.

You know, that's.

I missed looking up and seeing all those stories.

You can.

It was like at the top of the.

It's like being in an observatory.

You could see so many of them.

But, you know, and realistically, there was the.

You know, we felt over the years that there was some stuff that was really negative that was showing up there.

And in fact, so much so that we had a friend of mine, I worked a lot with some individuals, not just work, but I had known many Native Americans down in the Mountaineer Springs area and the Cave of the Winds and cliff dwelling area and Colorado Springs, west side Colorado Springs and so forth.

And a friend of mine, very good friend of mine, Robert Taltree, he's one of the very few recognized medicine men for the tribe and for the whole tribe in the whole western region.

And he and his wife came up and they ended up cleaning, clearing the land in our house for us with a Native American ceremony because, I mean, Nikki was waking up with night terrors.

And, you know, although the Victorian lady seemed to be okay, but, you know, we started.

The rest of them didn't seem to be negative.

Yeah, negative stuff.

That was coming through, some evil type things that were coming through.

We'd hear growls, we'd hear, you know.

Yeah, you could see shadows and, you know, you watch some of these ghost shows talk about shadows and moving around.

We could see the shadows moving around and so forth.

I don't know how.

How we stayed there that long, but we did.

Well, we.

Again, it helped having, you know, a medicine man come and, you know, do this for us.

And he.

They walked the whole property and had a drum and they were smudging.

We'd been in the house.

It was.

I mean, they came later, like when we were probably, what year 13.

Like that, you think?

Yeah, it didn't feel like that to me.

Well, if we live there much longer with all this going on, but.

Well, I mean, it had to be.

It was.

It was before I retired.

So I retired in 99.

Well, we.

We lived there 15 years and we moved out in 2004 shortly after you.

Oh, well, I guess not.

You had been retired 99.

So.

So, you know, it.

It was five or six years before we moved out because I was just.

I've been diagnosed with rheumatoid, you know, and she was going to help me with my hand.

She's always looking my hand and she's gonna always.

That's right.

That's right.

And that kind of a thing.

So.

But yeah, I want to talk about the first time you've had an experience, but I could pause.

So, you know, we've known each.

We've known each other for a little more than 35 years.

We've been married for 35 years.

So, you know, obviously we've had experiences of our own together as a family, as a couple, as a family, which we'll talk a little bit more about.

But that's one of the reasons why on here, on.

One more thing before you go.

I bring on people who have experiences like that, as well as people who.

Mediums and psychics and supernatural individuals and experts within this industry that I feel can educate, inspire, motivate people with regard to the supernatural and the paranormal.

Because I believe that there is a veil here and that that veil gets thinner and it's getting thinner and thinner anyway, but I think during Halloween, it gets a little bit more thinner so that there's more activity goes.

And as a cop, Halloween used to be, you know, the times that I.

That I.

I was lucky enough to work, stay home, but there were also times that unfortunately I had to work quite a bit.

And through both the county and through, you know, the police department.

So you would see a spike in this type of thing and calls for this and you know, people sneaking in the cemetery and trying to do stuff.

And you know, in our areas we had everything from there.

So Satanist cult down in the cemetery right now, sacrificing a baby and you know, and all kinds of junk like that.

But never found that, by the way.

Just good.

I'm glad to know that.

But you know, you would see an uptick in things and you would also, you know, it was just a feeling.

What was your first ever?

I mean, I told you and I'll tell you about it in a minute, but what was your first ever kind of supernatural paranormal experience?

Yeah, the first one I know I can remember, I was about nine, I think, and had been a couple of years.

Probably a couple years since my great grandmother had passed away.

And my great grandmother was.

So my great grandparents built the house they lived in in California.

And they also built a house on the other part of the lot.

And they painted it pink.

I don't know why, but we all called it the pink house.

And that was actually my first home.

So I.

For the first few years of my life, I saw my great grandparents a lot.

And we were still living in California when she passed away.

I think we moved the next year to Colorado.

So we were in Colorado at the time.

And I was like nine, maybe eight.

Eight or nine.

And I remember coming out of my parents bedroom and looking down the hallway and she's just right there.

Like she's right there.

And your great grandmother?

My great grandmother.

And the best way to describe it, I mean, stop me in my tracks, she looked like a hologram.

I mean, that was the best way to describe it.

It was detailed enough that I, I mean it was her.

It was 100 her.

And I even said.

I even said, grandma, is that you?

And she just, she, she didn't say anything.

She nodded and smiled and I was like, I can't believe.

Like I can't believe you're here.

And I mean, I just, I don't even.

I think that's all I said.

Like, I couldn't even get the words out.

And it didn't scare me.

It was just like, wow, this is cool, you know, and she just kind of smiled and then just faded.

She was gone and just gone.

And that's.

I mean, how'd that make you feel this time?

You tell anybody?

So you told your dad?

I told my mom.

Dad.

And of course they didn't believe me, especially my dad.

Like, no, you Know, my mom just.

I don't know if she would believe me or just kind of blew it off, but.

Well, your mom also grew up very, very religious and from a very, very strict religious family.

A lot of times they don't believe in that stuff.

And, you know, I grew up Catholic, in which I've spoken about many, many times on the show, that.

That the type of environment I grew up in, you weren't supposed to believe in that kind of stuff.

And that just didn't happen, didn't exist.

I think back on it, I'm thinking, you know, if they had actually, like, believed me or, you know, kind of encouraged that, I mean, I don't know where I'd be because we'll get into more.

We'll talk more about the stuff that I've also experienced, but could have been a whole different life for me, you know.

Well, it is.

I think that.

And again, I've talked about this on the show quite a bit as well.

The fact is that as kids, society and culture, unfortunately, we as children growing up, when we have experiences like that, society and culture has shut them down for the most.

At least here in America, for the most part, shut them down.

And most of them, it's like, well, you can't do that.

You can't see that you don't have an imaginary friend, even though you may be.

And I've spoken to mediums and psychics that said, well, yeah, it wasn't an imaginary friend.

It was actually somebody I was talking to.

And they thought it was my imaginary friend type thing.

But then they tell you, you can't do that.

You can't have imaginary friend.

It shuts them down and shuts it off.

So there's.

There are people that have had experiences like this that are afraid to talk about it because they're afraid of the ramifications, especially from their family members that specifically said it doesn't exist.

You know, when you die, you either.

It's one of three things, at least in Catholic religion.

You either go to heaven, you go to hell, you go in purgatory, and, you know, purgatory, you wander the earth.

Well, here's some shocker news for everybody out there who thinks purgatory, you know, believes in purgatory and wanders the earth.

Well, that's the shadows you see, that's the people you see.

That's the ghost you see.

So even they kind of contradicted their selves, didn't they?

Just a wee bit, because there it is.

And, you know, I think that there are Spirits here that have unfinished business.

I do believe in evil spirits and negative entities.

And we've talked about fallen angels.

You know, here we had the one episode we did that I did here with Angel Talker that we were talking about fallen angels and dark angels and that, you know, when you.

That they're here, they try to influence you, they try to motivate you, they try to, you know, entice you to the dark side, so to speak.

And I didn't even hear the episode.

I'll have to reference the episode in the show notes, but there's an extended version of the episode.

We'd released one episode, the original one, without it, but when I was editing it, you know, I said, hey, could you listen to this, see what you think?

And left it with you for a minute.

And I had to go do some necessities.

And when I came back out, you go, did you hear this?

Did you hear this?

Did you hear this?

Did you see this?

And I went, no, you got it.

What are you talking about?

And you, you played it for me.

And clearly we were having.

Clear as a bell.

Yeah.

Technical issues and technical problems because she was telling me about the dark angels and everything about the dark angels and what they did and what they meant.

And, you know, and you kept having, you kept having technical issues, screwing with the episode.

Exactly.

All the time.

Right.

And in fact, it, it kept freezing and it kept locking up and we had to keep trying to go back to it.

And it.

While I was sitting here waiting for her to come back and so forth, there was clearly a deep throated, nasty ass growl that.

And it was clear as day when heard the raw video.

It was clear as day and it was like, whoa.

And I reached back out to her and she's a celebrity psychic medium.

And again, I'll leave reference in the, in the show notes about how to find that episode.

But yeah, it was kind of, kind of crazy.

And you know, to me it's.

It was like.

It was theoretically, because my microphone's right in front of me and it's a directional microphone, which means if I go over here and I'm talking, my voice goes away very much.

When I come back here, you hear much more straight on voice and so forth.

And they were over my head.

Yeah.

So, you know.

Yeah, just kind of.

Which then reminded you of what you experienced when you were.

Reminded me of when I was about 12 years old.

Yeah.

You know, I grew up in a very dysfunctional family.

Of course, I think I mentioned that before, but I also grew up in one that, you know, my father believed in it wholeheartedly.

My mother shirked Catholic.

But when I grew up, I was a latchkey kid.

And, you know, we spent a lot of time, me and my brother, we spent a lot of time.

You hear him growls, I literally am.

But I don't know, maybe.

Maybe it was a car or something outside.

Literally, there was something that just.

Okay, go ahead.

So there was an evening where my brother and I were there by ourselves and I was downstairs.

I had a room downstairs in our house.

And in Colorado, when you have a basement, it's a basement.

You know, you have.

Usually you have windows that are.

You can look up through, or they are ground.

You know, you can see the ground through the window.

It's ground level type thing.

So anyway, we're down in the basement.

And the reason I say that is because they're typically darker, you know, so that, you know, it's not like an upstairs room where you've got a much more lighter ambient light or, or, you know, this kind of thing.

So they're.

They're darker or they have to be well lit through your own lighting, whether it be ceiling lighting or whatever the case may be.

But, you know, I was laying on my bed and I can't remember what was going on.

But, you know, I ended up feeling a presence in the room with me.

And in feeling that presence in the room with me, I got up and I turned around and I was right in front of me.

And I know people are going to never believe this, but right in front of me was a demon.

And I can describe him to you.

You've drawn him?

I've drawn the pictures before.

Is that vivid to me?

And it's still, to this day, is vivid.

I can still close my eyes and see it.

And had big horns and scaly skin and, you know, glowing eyes and, you know, all the stuff that you hear about in the scary movies, though, that's exactly what was in my face.

And, you know, the head, gnarly teeth and drooling and backed me up against the wall and, you know, we had a conversation and he was right in my face, about three inches from my face.

I could smell the sulfur and the nasty smells and everything along with it.

And so what was the conversation?

I don't fully recall the whole conversation, but it was.

He was basically trying to entice me into the.

An evil side of life and, you know, and kind of a thing.

And I think that, you know, part of, you know, my father was a bad alcoholic and I Think that that had something to do with that as well.

I think that by that time though, the.

They had split up.

My mother and my father had split up.

But you know, they.

We never really, we never really knew why he was drinking as much as he was drinking.

But I think that it had association to that is what I'm thinking and so forth.

So, you know, I basically did my best to rebuke it and say that, you know, basically f you and I'm not going to do what you're telling me to do and I'm not going to do what you are trying to do and you know, you need to leave this house and.

Wow.

Yeah, that's scary at any age, but at 12 years old, that's.

Yeah, it was pretty crazy.

Had me backed up right to the wall.

And I say the smells, the sights, the sounds, the feeling, the apprehension, the.

Everything that's associated with it.

So I've never forgotten it.

But you know, when I get to conversations like this and I think I've mentioned it, I may have mentioned it a couple times in conversation with some of these psychics and mediums and you know, they absolutely said it was a demon and the demon was there to cause trouble and so forth.

Did you ever.

Did you ever experience it again or that was it?

That was it because I said, I think that they found that I was not, not trying to sound egotistical, but I was not, I was not prone to, you know, it wasn't going to happen.

Basically.

You were not a willing participant in that.

I'm not willing to participate in that and so forth.

So, you know, it.

Which, you know, who knows, the way my brother is at the moment, maybe it followed him home and stayed with him, not following him home.

But you know, I don't know.

But it was, that was my first experience with that.

And you know, there, you know, a couple times, a few times after that I've had experiences where I heard, you know, voices and seen shadows and things like that as continuing to grow up and you know, but nothing as intense.

Not nothing that intense, but I can absolutely say, 100% say how that was just, you know, this huge, horned, you know, nasty sulfur breath, drooling demon was right in my face and.

And that.

That was your first experience?

That was my first experience.

So, yeah, my comparing first experiences, I think I came out the winner there.

You got your great grandma, I got my what the hell.

Wow.

From hell.

Yeah, kind of thing.

But you know, at the same time, it also had taught me in my life that you know, no matter what come on up to or whatever I'm up, I'm faced with is that if I, you know, I beat that.

You could beat anything.

I could beat anything.

It gave me a fortitude and the strength to be able to.

My faith, you know, allowed me to.

Because that was faith.

I had a lot of faith in angels anyway, because it'd been with me in the past and at different points in my lifetime and even as a child, and mostly as a child.

So is one of those things where you said to have faith with that.

It still makes me a little nervous, but, you know, it's.

Oh, yeah.

But it also, the times you've talked about it, you.

You start talking about it like, you know, very matter of fact.

And by the end of it, you're.

You can tell or I can tell that you're like, okay, don't.

Don't want to revisit that again.

Don't want to talk about that.

It also, you know, that's why when we watch a scary, scary, scary movie and everybody else jumps at it, it really does bother me.

Right.

Like watching the nun in the middle of the movie screen and Mickey climbs behind me.

It's, you know, it's kind of one of those things you kind of have, but that, you know, and I've had experiences, you know, off and on throughout that, where I hear voices, where I feel presences or, you know, that's why I clear the house every night, because I'll feel the presence and I'll feel.

I'll feel the bed.

I've told you before, I feel like somebody's sitting down on the bed or pushing on the bed right beside me or trying to sit down and so forth and.

Or push down by my feet kind of a thing.

And you're in bed and, you know, it's not you and it's not Charlie, and there's nobody else in the house.

You're not supposed to be kind of a thing, but you can feel it.

You can see it.

You can actually feel the bed.

I feel the bed shake sometimes.

Yeah.

The end of the bed.

So a lot of times we also have positive energies in here as well.

So we've had positive people, positive entities that have come in and that we've noticed about.

So it's not all about the.

Just the scary ass shit, but we've had positive things go.

As a cop, you know, there were several places that we responded to that were allegedly haunted that, you know, there was one place in itself, Cliff House, and that had burned down twice, and many, many people were killed in both of those.

From.

It was built in the 1800s, and then it burned down.

It was built again, rebuilt in the 1900s, and then again, it recently was redone, but probably 10 or 12 years ago, they remodeled it and rebuilt it.

But, you know, I hated going into that place.

Every time I went to that place, we get a call, you know, and we went in there and found people doing cult stuff and Satanist stuff and that kind of crap.

But, you know, I hated going into the Cliff House on a call in there because it was like, what the hell am I gonna run into in here?

Situation.

And you could feel the presence.

Yeah.

And you're open to that, especially with what you experienced.

You.

You were already open to it, so you knew that, you know, if it was something bad, you were going to experience it so.

Well, exactly.

And, you know, and you could feel the hair on the back of your neck rise up when you know they're behind you and you feel like somebody behind you.

It's like, I know somebody's back there kind of a thing.

So, you know, and it's.

It is.

Like I said, it's.

It's better than the negative ones.

So, you know, when you have the negative ones, it is one of those things that stick with you quite a bit, actually.

Yep.

You know, kind of.

And even.

And even in this house, I mean, there's been times that we kind of go.

There was a shadow.

We saw a shadow walk by, or we felt something walk by, or Charlie.

Charlie will just suddenly stare, stare.

And you can't get him to stop.

Like, you cannot.

He.

He's not.

He won't listen to us at all.

Something else or somebody else kind of a thing.

And, you know, he does that quite a bit as well, which is kind of like crap.

Well, and then even.

I mean, as stupid as the automatic trash can that we have, you know, I know it's down.

It's shut when we go to bed, and then I'll come out in the morning, and it's wide open.

And it's wide open.

And the only thing that opens it is motion.

So.

Yeah.

You know, and then we've also, you know, we have that camera that's set up in the living room, and you used to have the app.

I don't know if we still do that.

I do.

Okay.

So we.

There's been times if we start hearing things, we'll open up the app.

We're in bed.

We'll open up the app and see that it's like just orbs, orbs everywhere in the camera.

So anybody that knows, for those of you that don't know what an orb is, okay, if you watch one of these ghost adventure shows or you watch any one of the ghost hunting shows, or listen to the people that I've interviewed on this show, and orb is a spirit that's a, you'll, you'll see them, the energy move in a round sphere and it doesn't move like dust and it doesn't move like a bug.

It doesn't move.

I mean, it moves very methodically and you can see it very clearly and distinctly as a round orb.

And yeah, we've, we have had.

We can watch them.

We just literally watch them.

And you'll see some of them that will move around and spin back around, like go up and then turn around and come back down again.

And you know, the type of video we've, we've got, you know, the 4K video, you can tell it's not a bug and it's definitely not dust.

So, you know, that happens.

And then we've got, you know, we've got this little program from a guy that Huff paranormal.

Those individuals that are on YouTube right now, which you can see, they kind of talk to the other side.

They created, this guy created a, an app that literally allows you to.

Because they talk on a different frequency and they can talk to you, they can say things to you and so forth and you can hear them.

So although we don't typically, it's hard to understand them for the most part.

Yeah.

To be honest, there's lots of stuff that does that come out though, that really, you can get clear, distinct wording and so forth.

So occasionally we'll do that if we feel something's in the house.

Yeah, usually.

Usually what's come through clearly more than once is when we ask them how many spirits are here and they'll say.

A number and they'll say seven.

Definitely.

Yeah, you can definitely tell.

And then you ask them again and they say the same number.

Yeah.

So it doesn't change.

Yeah, I'm getting really.

Or if you ask if it's a male or a female or an adult or a child, you know, we'll get answers that'll say that it is or it isn't.

So, yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's when you're an empath and when you kind of leave yourself open to that type of thing, I think it leaves the door open.

You used to look how many times that you Used to be laying in bed and you'd have voices showing up in the room and trying to talk to you that you knew were from the other side.

And psychics have said that those are mediums, have said that they're there for a message for.

To talk through you.

Yeah, I know.

I remember it, and I remember writing down.

I don't know where I put them, but I used to write down, especially if it was really detailed, that I would write everything down.

But at the time, I was.

I was studying for my degree, so I was working full time and going to school full time, and I just didn't have the time.

It's like, I just.

I can't.

You've got to let me sleep.

You got to let me sleep.

I'm sorry.

I'll let you know when you can come back.

And I did.

I.

When I was done, I was like, okay, you know, you guys can come.

And they never do.

I haven't.

I've never heard it since they found.

Somebody else to come talk to or to talk to them or listen to them or something along that line.

But, yeah, it's pretty.

I mean, it's obviously, you know, experience experiences with the supernatural and the paranormal.

I think that you have to be open to understanding that they exist and that, you know, there's.

I've been grateful for the people that have come on this show that have had these experiences.

You know, the Ghost Sisters and the Ghost Biker that.

I brought her on, you know, several times, and, you know, it.

The stories.

The Ma Barker story blows me away because she went to Ma Barker's house and in sitting at that house, this is where the.

I think just the Ma Barker episode with Chris Sumner from Paranormal Sisters is like a really, really good episode.

Is it Paranormal Sisters or Ghost Sisters?

Because you said Paranormal Sisters.

Ghost Biker.

Paranormal Sisters.

Ghost Biker and Paranormal Sister, two separate.

But they.

Sometimes they do things together.

They do.

In fact, they own a haunted.

They bought a jail in Tennessee, an old, like, jail from 1800s, and they bought it together.

And now it's a museum as well as them giving tours.

Their haunted tours through it as well.

But.

And they traveled all over the place.

They were at the Allegheny Mental Hospital and I mean, all over.

All over the east coast, especially, you know, the whole slew of them.

And then.

Yes, go back to the show and, you know, type in paranormal or Supernatural.

And there's a ton of shows that.

A lot.

Yeah.

That we can reference the different.

Many, many different stories that have come out of those with regard to the Reality of the existence of, you know, spirits and ghosts and what's on the other side and what's good and evil as well.

It's funny because we might get into conversations sometimes at work about the stuff.

And when people find out the way I feel about it and the way I believe, they just.

Most of them are like, you know, so I don't really talk about it that much.

So I don't know if they see this episode, then they'll know for sure.

But society and culture, again, it goes back to society and culture in the way you're raised.

Because a lot of times in culture, they.

They say you're not allowed to believe in that stuff.

You know, you're not allowed to believe in reincarnation, you're not allowed to believe in spirits.

You're not allowed to be even ghost.

And then if you believe in them.

Okay.

But you're not authorized to talk to them.

Yeah.

Kind of situation, so.

Well, I think it has gotten better though, with all of the.

I mean, look at how many ghost hunting shows are on and they're, I mean, for years, you know, and they have a very big audience and still going strong.

Yeah.

And even podcasts that are specifically to that, you know, they're.

They're some of the most listened to podcasts.

So I think it is definitely better now.

You know, people are more open to it now.

But, you know, there's the one other experience I talked about that real quick, that when we were talking to the girls about this the other day, talking that we wanted to maybe do this, and they were.

And we were thinking, well, maybe they do it with us.

And they were like, well, we don't really have very many, but the one.

They immediately went to this one.

And it was shortly after your stepdad Burl passed away.

And the girls and I were in the car and we were in Woodland park of all places.

And just for the record, they.

They grew up with Burl as Grandpa.

Not step, but they grew up with Burl as grandpa.

So they knew him as Grandpa.

They.

Your.

Your mom and Pearl watch the girls, they babysat the girls for from when they were little, teeny, tiny babies.

So they were very, very close to him.

And the girls and I were in the car and we were at a stoplight in Woodland park.

And all of a sudden the radio, because we always had the radio on, started getting staticky.

Like really, really loud, loud static.

And then the static stopped and our car was filled with Burl singing.

And he was a singer.

He used to sing Irish Songs, Irish songs.

He was a Irish tenor, right?

Irish tenor.

So it just filled it.

And we were just looking at each other like, am I the only one hearing that?

Like, what is happening?

And it lasted for probably a good 10 seconds, 12 seconds.

And we were just like, shocked.

We were.

We were just in shock.

Yeah.

And.

And that was the first.

I mean, when we talked to him about you the other day, the girls, both of them, immediately.

That's the one they went to.

So I know what happened.

I know it was real.

Well, look what I mean.

Your father passed away here.

You got in the car and there was something on the radio that you felt was a message from your father, didn't you?

Oh, well, that.

Yeah, that was.

Yeah, that was last year.

Might have been last year.

Yeah.

This is right after he fell asleep, right after he died, when you guys got in the car from Target, after I called you.

You keep telling me about this, and I don't.

Honestly, I don't remember this at all.

So you'll have to say it.

Well, basically, I remember when I called you because you and your mother were shopping at Target and he had asked you, he told you go out.

He told your mother to go out.

I hadn't.

I had been staying because we knew it was going to be any time that he was going to pass.

I had stayed in the house.

I hadn't gone anywhere for like a solid week.

Like, I just.

I don't even think I took a shower.

Like, I was just.

I was going to be there, and he just didn't want me there.

And so when he was cognitive, he.

He made sure that I was out of the house and he wanted.

He's.

I don't remember him telling us.

I think he might have said something to you, and you were like, your dad wants you to go, or what?

I don't remember exactly.

So we were at Target, and I don't think we'd even been there.

We didn't think we'd been there 20 minutes when you.

Probably 20 minutes at least.

Probably 15 or 20 minutes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so it happened pretty quick.

But I remember being.

You keep telling me the story about that I came in and said something about being in the car, but my.

Mind was, you come in and you said that you were in the car and that you and your mother were getting ready to come here and that, you know, over the radio, you heard, you know, you heard something over the radio.

Like, it sound like your father telling you that everything is.

Was fine.

Why do I remember that?

Yeah.

And that you know, you heard.

You said, I heard Dad's voice.

And I just, you know.

Wow.

I literally don't remember that.

But if I came in and said it right, then I'm sure it happened.

I just, for some reason, don't know why that wouldn't be a core memory.

But.

But maybe.

Maybe that's why this other thing happened.

Like, I don't know if it was this year or last year, but I drive my dad's car, so his car is my car.

It's been my car, and I don't want to get rid of it.

It has a six.

A six CD changer thing in it, and I don't listen.

Oh, yeah, that's okay.

No, I mean, six CD changer.

It's a 2002.

It's a 2002.

Okay.

All right.

So anyway, it's got a six CD changer in it.

I don't listen to CDs.

I just don't because it's too hot here to leave CDs in the car.

And.

Okay, so I'm driving to work.

Which is another ironic reason for what you're about to say.

Yes.

So I'm driving to work, and all of a sudden, the song.

What was the song?

It's country song.

No, it was a song they don't play very often.

And I believe it was a Rita Coolidge song from the 70s.

And it was literally.

Oh, no, no, no, I'm sorry, it wasn't Rita Coolidge.

It was a Donna Summer song.

I think it was.

I think it was Hot Stuff or something.

I don't know.

But I.

As soon as it started playing.

Which they never play that song.

As soon as I started playing, I went right back to being a kid.

And I had that.

I had a lot of.

I had, like, a collection of 45 records that I would play all the time.

And that was one of my favorite songs.

Of course, it was like I was a kid.

I know what it meant.

But anyway, I love the song.

So I had this memory.

It went right back to my dad.

It's not gonna be a great memory, but my dad would say when I go in and.

Or he'd hear me singing.

Not necessarily hot stuff, but all kinds of songs.

And I remember him saying to me, yeah, you're kind of tone deaf.

You probably shouldn't try to do that as a career or something.

Something like that.

I was like 10, 11 years old.

I don't know.

Yeah, I was probably 10 or 11.

So, you know, not a great memory.

Like your dad telling you Your singing sucks.

But immediately after that memory, I pushed.

I always push the buttons on the car.

I know where my radio stations are.

They're preset.

I know exactly where they are.

I don't have to look.

Some reason I missed the button and I hit the eject on the CD.

And all of a sudden the CDs start coming out of the car, like one by one.

And I'm like, what is.

What is going on?

I had to pull over because there was these CDs just spitting out as I'm driving.

So I pull over and they were all his CDs.

Every single one of them belonged there.

And they hadn't melted, and they hadn't melted in years.

Like, they had been in the CD player since 2016 in this.

And this was last year.

Hot 110, 115 degrees.

Yep.

And I didn't know they were there.

I had no idea.

And so, yeah.

And so I kind of took that as.

Since it happened so quickly with that bad memory, I took that as dad saying he was sorry.

And, you know, it's all good and you can sing.

So there you go.

That's the way to do.

Well, that's a nice, happy way to end the episode.

I guess it's a nice, good memory.

Better than one where, you know, you're looking at the mirror and your mother's face comes screaming out of the mirror at you.

That never happened.

No, I'm just saying it's better than having one of those, right?

Oh, yeah.

See, I didn't tell you about mom, did I?

Oh, I forgot to tell you.

I forgot to tell you.

Mom visited me.

Yeah, mom visited.

She says hi.

Oh, God.

Sorry, Mom.

If you're listening.

No, she wouldn't do that.

Oh, she might do it for fun, maybe.

Yeah, he might do it for fun.

That's about it.

Well, listen, I.

It is a.

This is a little bit of memory, a little bit of reminiscing, a little bit of.

Maybe they weren't completely really, really, really scary as would be.

But you know when I wish there's a picture of the demon that I should have put the picture of the demon up to show everybody, but.

Yeah, just.

You can draw picture of this big old nasty ass thing with a mouth hanging out, almost like alien.

Like the alien when he gets down in front of.

In front of Sigourney Weaver's face on the spaceship and he's drooling and.

And everything like this.

Now, this is obviously way before that movie even came out, but, you know, a little more screwed up mouth with a lot more sharper teeth and then horns that just went up and over and then wrapped around and, you know, spiky, nasty, scaly, you know, going, I'm going to get you.

No, no, I want your soul.

That's what he was saying.

Yes.

I said in my favorite Scottish accent, you can't have it.

So.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

So yeah, that's, that's, that's the memory that sticks with me, that's for damn sure.

Then that would to me.

Go ahead.

To me.

To me, a 12 year old that was, you know, scared, you know, fighting.

So I didn't pee my pants though.

So that's good.

Did not do that.

Did not.

Okay.

Did not.

Well, I think we're going to clear the house tonight for sure.

Oh, absolutely.

Clear the house tonight.

Well, everybody hope you have a happy, wonderful Halloween and that you're safe and you're sound and make sure that you wearing reflective clothing if you're taking your kids out before you cross the street and check the candy.

As a copy and a father, I'm going to tell you to check the candy just in case because unfortunately that kind of stuff still happens where people try to lay stuff because they're just, you know, imbecile idiots that really, you know.

Yeah, I can go on.

Not good people.

No.

But if you have a, you know, you're having a good party and stuff like that, just be careful, drive safe and watch for kids on the roadway and everybody have fun.

Happy Halloween.

Happy Halloween.

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