Networking is a piece of cake.
Speaker:If you're an extrovert, right?
Speaker:Maybe not what it's easy enough to work the room, are you coming
Speaker:away having made any lasting connections, or were you just really
Speaker:fun to be around for that day?
Speaker:Welcome to morning creative.
Speaker:I am Mark Steadman and I told you a couple of days ago about my friend who
Speaker:didn't like being put into a box and he asked if he could be taken away from
Speaker:the training sessions so that he didn't have to have his personality tested.
Speaker:He, he's one of my best friends and I've known him for about 15 years and
Speaker:I did not like him when we first met.
Speaker:He knows this.
Speaker:He's heard the story plenty of times, but it's absolutely true.
Speaker:I found him brash.
Speaker:Uh, overbearing, um, maybe a little bit full of himself.
Speaker:And while that is what I sort of felt at the time after our first
Speaker:couple of meetings, what lay under the surface turns out was someone
Speaker:who's really kind and loyal and thoughtful and incredibly perceptive.
Speaker:He's someone who It's charged up by meeting people.
Speaker:He likes being around people, he likes being around lots of people.
Speaker:And while I enjoy my solitude and I can retreat into it, I also
Speaker:definitely love meeting new people and I do get those real moments.
Speaker:Like I kind of think, I don't know if this is a thing, but I'm
Speaker:going to say that I, you know, I am a contextual extrovert.
Speaker:Like, get me in my safe zone, get me in a place where I feel
Speaker:safe and secure, and I will be the life and soul of the party.
Speaker:Like I will get to the point where people are like, alright,
Speaker:Mark, tone it down, you know?
Speaker:Versus being in an unfamiliar environment or being, you know, with
Speaker:lots and lots of strangers, then I, you know, I tend to, to change,
Speaker:but you know, whether it's lowering those inhibitions through alcohol
Speaker:or just feeling like, you know what?
Speaker:Actually, this is a safe space, I can, I can really let the dogs out.
Speaker:Uh, so I kind of think I do, I don't know if I'm an ambivert,
Speaker:but I think they're definitely con, uh, contextual moments where
Speaker:I can be that you know, that guy.
Speaker:And that can maybe be a little bit much.
Speaker:And so today I've got some tips for extroverts or for when you
Speaker:are in that zone where you kind of feel like actually, you know what?
Speaker:I am going to be the life and soul of the party.
Speaker:It's going to help you get the most out of those experiences
Speaker:when you're meeting new people in a kind of networking scenario.
Speaker:And I didn't really touch on this yesterday, but when we're talking about
Speaker:networking, we're not necessarily all at all talking about like business
Speaker:networking chamber of commerce.
Speaker:That kind of stuff, business cards, you know, we really are just talking
Speaker:meetups you know, at the end of a gig or at the end of a conference
Speaker:or a talk or something like that.
Speaker:We've got the opportunity then to meet new people who are of a like
Speaker:mind that's really, that's all it is.
Speaker:It's that's networking.
Speaker:Now, as I said up top, we might think that networking
Speaker:is easier for extroverts.
Speaker:And in some ways, I think the practical stuff is.
Speaker:Extroverts tend to be better at being in groups, at holding conversations,
Speaker:and doing all the small talk stuff.
Speaker:But while you might enjoy the event and meeting the people and all the buzzing
Speaker:and the lights and all that stuff, are you getting the most out of that event?
Speaker:And let's be real, let's put the tiger on the table and yell at
Speaker:it, is everyone enjoying you?
Speaker:How have you created, like real connections with people, or have you
Speaker:just been the life of the party and someone who's really fun in small doses?
Speaker:So here are my 10, we, you know, we did 10 yesterday, uh, networking for
Speaker:introverts here is my attempt at 10 tips for networking when you are an
Speaker:extrovert or you are in extrovert mode.
Speaker:So number one is active listening.
Speaker:This is as a podcaster, this is something I actually, uh, discourage
Speaker:when it comes to the verbal cues, but there's, in, in moderation, verbal
Speaker:active listening cues, you know, the whole hmm, yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker:In tiny amounts, they can be useful.
Speaker:But also when we're talking about nodding and, uh, using eye contact and
Speaker:just showing that you're listening.
Speaker:Because it doesn't always need to be your turn to speak.
Speaker:Uh, and again, like I say this as someone who identifies with
Speaker:a lot of this stuff, right?
Speaker:I'm not just, uh, ragging on extroverts.
Speaker:It doesn't always need to be your turn.
Speaker:Um, sometimes you can just listen and you can still show that you're there.
Speaker:You can still show that you're on and that you're engaged by literally
Speaker:just showing that you're interested.
Speaker:Demonstrating using eye contact and making sure that you're looking at them.
Speaker:Nodding, you know, asking followup questions.
Speaker:If it feels like something's got into a bit of a col-de-sac, there might
Speaker:be a question there, there might be a word or something or a term or whatever
Speaker:someone's used that you could then ask, you know, What does that mean to you?
Speaker:Or what does that make you think of?
Speaker:Or this is what I'm thinking of when I, when I hear that word,
Speaker:but what does it mean for you?
Speaker:Number two is asking open-ended questions.
Speaker:I have an instinct to ask questions because I feel like that's a thing that
Speaker:I should do, you know, especially if I'm going to support someone, I kind of
Speaker:tend to go in with the asking questions because I'm conscious of, you get me
Speaker:in an area that I'm familiar with or excited about and I can yammer on.
Speaker:I mean, I do a daily podcast where I talk for 20 minutes a day for God's
Speaker:sake, so, you know, you get it.
Speaker:I'm not great at small talk.
Speaker:And so I use questions as a way of generating conversation.
Speaker:But sometimes it can end up with are you enjoying the event?
Speaker:Which is, you know, leads to a yeah, it's fine, or yeah.
Speaker:It's all right kind of answer.
Speaker:So we want to go with open-ended questions, things like, you know,
Speaker:questions that begin with what, where, why, when, who, how those
Speaker:kinds of questions are much better.
Speaker:So try thinking about the phrasing of your questions and see if there's a
Speaker:way that you can open them up and give people that opportunity to expound.
Speaker:Number three, then avoid interrupting.
Speaker:Now some people do this because there's a fear that if they don't say
Speaker:the thing that's on their mind now they'll forget it., which tends to
Speaker:be pegged to a sort of ADHD trait.
Speaker:And to be honest, my answer to that is like, would that be the
Speaker:worst thing in the world if you forgot what you were going to say?
Speaker:Do you know what I mean?
Speaker:I think there's a, there's a tendency there to think that the thing you
Speaker:need to say needs to be said, like needs to be said, and it might be
Speaker:that you could trust yourself that you'll probably remember it later, you
Speaker:know, you'll, you'll have some sort of cue, some sort of liminal change,
Speaker:you know, you move into a different space or you see that person again
Speaker:that made you think of the thing.
Speaker:And then, then you can collar them later and be like, oh, I meant to say to you
Speaker:actually, there's this thing here, uh, that you might want to look into, and
Speaker:that actually is so much better because you've created this intimate connection.
Speaker:You've added a little, little bit of value between you and this other person.
Speaker:They're much more likely to, to be engaged and to appreciate that than
Speaker:like, oh yeah, just carry it on because you're worried that you'll forget
Speaker:about it, because honestly, my answer to that is like, so you forgot, you
Speaker:know, So you didn't end up saying a thing, you know, I think it's okay.
Speaker:I think it's actually okay.
Speaker:If you don't remember everything that you wanted to say.
Speaker:Number four is focus on understanding.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I love throwing out info.
Speaker:If I'm knowledgeable on a particular topic, I've caught myself a few
Speaker:times in certain spaces now.
Speaker:And I, I think it can come off sometimes as wow this person really wants to tell
Speaker:us that he's always got the answer.
Speaker:Like he's got the answer to every question.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well done to him, you know?
Speaker:And actually where it comes from is completely from that space of
Speaker:like, oh, I know this as well, and I can help it's coming from a good
Speaker:place and a good, a good space.
Speaker:But I think it can sometimes.
Speaker:Come off as like, all right, let's let's let someone else go.
Speaker:And so that's kind of the, the point here for, uh, for number four
Speaker:is to let someone else go first.
Speaker:Allow that to be a beat of silence.
Speaker:Allow that to be a moment where no one has the answer.
Speaker:But also leave that time for people to come up with their own answer,
Speaker:you know, sometimes asking a question is better than providing an answer.
Speaker:And, you know, leaving space sometimes is better than, than jumping in straight
Speaker:away, because you might find that someone just needed a little bit of
Speaker:extra time to come up with their answer.
Speaker:And also the thing you have the answer to might not strictly
Speaker:be the question that they were asking or the problem that they
Speaker:were talking about or whatever.
Speaker:And you know, sometimes we have this sort of, we snap to a grid
Speaker:where we're like, I'm pretty sure I have some knowledge Jason, to
Speaker:this that will be interesting.
Speaker:But that might not be specifically the thing that they're asking.
Speaker:And so if you jump into quickly without saying when you say,
Speaker:X, are you talking about this?
Speaker:And then you can expound.
Speaker:If you, if you're certain that you've, you've actually
Speaker:got the right piece of info.
Speaker:Number five practice empathy.
Speaker:I'm not saying you're not empathetic, but it's, it's one of those things that
Speaker:it's useful to just be reminded of.
Speaker:Remember that this isn't fun for everyone.
Speaker:These events aren't fun, especially at the beginning where, you know,
Speaker:No one really knows each other and lots of people are feeling inhibited.
Speaker:Lots of people do find that stuff draining and you might
Speaker:not, you might find it charging.
Speaker:But bearing in mind that that lots of people will find this draining, you
Speaker:are probably quite skilled at reading and mirroring body language, I would
Speaker:imagine if you feel extroverted.
Speaker:So you can use that energy to bring yours down a little bit.
Speaker:This I believe is called co-regulation.
Speaker:When two people get together, they can regulate each other's nervous systems.
Speaker:So if you are someone who's maybe a bit spiky and a bit up and you
Speaker:chat with someone who's a bit down, you can use that rather than
Speaker:you trying to bring that level up to you, actually use this to go.
Speaker:Okay, I can speak a little bit slower, a little bit quieter.
Speaker:Number six is to pass the mic.
Speaker:So if you're in a huddle and you know, someone has got a good answer to a
Speaker:question or you've got that sense you're starting to pick it up from
Speaker:the room of like, oh, this person probably knows or, you know, maybe
Speaker:that's slightly off somewhere else and you know, that that name, you might
Speaker:bring him into the conversation like.
Speaker:Oh, actually, you know what.
Speaker:Uh, Susan knows the answer to this and bring Susan over kind of thing.
Speaker:That can be a really nice way of you are still being useful.
Speaker:You are still adding value.
Speaker:You're still in many ways being memorable.
Speaker:But you are passing the mic to someone else to allow them to shine as well.
Speaker:So use your, uh, tendency or your willingness to jump in
Speaker:and help, but actually help by passing them off to someone else.
Speaker:Even if, and perhaps, especially if that is someone who is as expert as you on
Speaker:a particular thing, you know, if you're you're there and you're talking about
Speaker:a particular, uh, camera technique or mic technique or something, you know,
Speaker:to do with your field, and you know, the answer and you've got your good
Speaker:sense of like, this is what should be done, but actually, you know, Pete over
Speaker:there is like, actually I know they know some stuff about this as well,
Speaker:and maybe we differ, maybe we don't, bring Pete into the conversation.
Speaker:Because then it just, it makes it less of the you show, which is always nice.
Speaker:Number seven is, the nicer way of saying this, there's a mean
Speaker:way and there's a nice way.
Speaker:I think that slightly nicer ways to reflect before responding.
Speaker:The slightly meaner ways I'm sure many of us have been told throughout allows
Speaker:us to think before you speak, uh, which is a little bit harsh, but it kind of
Speaker:goes back to an earlier point, really.
Speaker:Do you need to seek some clarity or clarification on something that
Speaker:someone is talking about, or a question that you've been asked?
Speaker:Because you might have an adjacently right answer, but there might
Speaker:be something that you've missed.
Speaker:There might be a detail or something.
Speaker:That perhaps you missed earlier in the conversation before you
Speaker:sidled up, you know, And you start barreling in with something that
Speaker:could feel a little bit mansplained or, you know, the female equivalent.
Speaker:I don't think there is, but you know what I mean?
Speaker:You know, coming in with like, well, actually you should do this, and
Speaker:then like the whole group is like, no, no, we, we talked about that.
Speaker:And so again, like realizing you don't necessarily need to fill the
Speaker:silence if no-one's got an answer.
Speaker:If you're in a huddle or if you're speaking to someone or whatever,
Speaker:you can demonstrate that your thinking just like everyone else's.
Speaker:And also.
Speaker:If it's just one-on-one and someone asks you something and you don't know,
Speaker:it's cool to just say, I don't know.
Speaker:You can just say, you know what?
Speaker:I don't know.
Speaker:And if you, again, like pass the mic, if you think there's someone
Speaker:here who I think would know, then point them in their direction or at
Speaker:least say actually, you know what I think, uh, Simon knows about this.
Speaker:Number eight is to practice a bit of mindfulness.
Speaker:So, staying present.
Speaker:Can be tricky in these kinds of things, because we're always thinking
Speaker:about, maybe we're thinking about ourselves and how we come off, or
Speaker:maybe we're thinking about what's the next thing, next thing we're going
Speaker:to say to this person, or what's the next conversation I can go to?
Speaker:Oh, that person over there, that, that conversation that
Speaker:sounds really interesting.
Speaker:Oh, I've just seen Samantha.
Speaker:I really wanted to, to collar Samantha about something, you know?
Speaker:We can be sort of all over the place and maybe we're not focused that much
Speaker:on the conversation that we're having at that particular time and the connection
Speaker:that you might be able to make there.
Speaker:And when I say connection, I mean, in terms of a human connection,
Speaker:not necessarily, uh, in the, in the strategic sense of, you
Speaker:know, getting someone's email address kind of connection.
Speaker:So focusing on your breathing can help you.
Speaker:It can help you sort of stay present and just give you
Speaker:that, that thing to focus on.
Speaker:Because when you're more present, you're going to form those deeper
Speaker:connections because you're going to be really listening to what someone is
Speaker:saying and actually thinking about it, giving it that thought, hopefully not
Speaker:overthinking it, but just giving it the right amount of thought which then
Speaker:helps you make slower, more considered responses, which helps build trust
Speaker:and build connections with people.
Speaker:Number nine then is to seek feedback.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:I think um, something you could do before you go into a networking
Speaker:scenario in next time, you've got an opportunity and you really want to come
Speaker:away having done really well, not just having enjoyed it, but actually like,
Speaker:yeah, with a bunch of email addresses or Instagram handles or LinkedIn
Speaker:profiles, people that you can tap up later to, to, uh, be interested in the
Speaker:work that you're doing, maybe support you see how you can support them,
Speaker:rising tide raises all boats, right?
Speaker:That kind of stuff.
Speaker:So if, you know, if you're going into an event and that kind of
Speaker:thing is important to you and you want to do well, then ask
Speaker:your friends and family what they think of your listening skills.
Speaker:Have they got any pointers for you or are there things that they've noticed,
Speaker:like you seem to do this thing and it indicates to me that you're not
Speaker:really listening to what I'm saying.
Speaker:So, you know, maybe watch that, you know, and even if you are,
Speaker:it's like, sometimes you look like you're not listening.
Speaker:And so, yeah, that can be something that you can, you can maybe be aware
Speaker:of and, uh, and have, uh, a bit of a work on, you know, any, any
Speaker:blind spots, that kind of thing.
Speaker:And then number 10, as much as I've been saying, like do this, don't do
Speaker:this and think about this, prevent yourself from do this or avoid this,
Speaker:like actually go in and be yourself as, as much as you can, like.
Speaker:Kind of a little bit going back to the mindfulness thing, really?
Speaker:Trying not to be someone else.
Speaker:Because that in itself can be exhausting, you know?
Speaker:So, if you do notice yourself getting into a habit or something that I've
Speaker:talked about here that you think, oh, you know what, actually, I want
Speaker:to, I want to be aware of that or curb that behavior or whatever it is,
Speaker:when you notice those moments, don't give yourself a hard time about it.
Speaker:Just notice it without judgment.
Speaker:Just, oh, it did that thing.
Speaker:That's interesting.
Speaker:Using curiosity rather than I did that thing again, I can't believe
Speaker:I wasn't listening to what that guy said and I interrupted again.
Speaker:Just being mindful of, oh, I seem to have interrupted there.
Speaker:Oh, that's interesting.
Speaker:And then returned to the conversation.
Speaker:Just noting it in your mind, making it memorable because
Speaker:memorable things get remembered.
Speaker:So just remembering it, uh, and just noting that down and go,
Speaker:oh yeah, I did that thing again.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:And then cracking them.
Speaker:Okay, couple of bonus ones then I was sort of.
Speaker:I talked about this yesterday a little bit.
Speaker:If you're in a group of people, it can be really, really
Speaker:helpful if you can make a little bit of space in that group.
Speaker:So rather than standing in a closed circle, if you go for,
Speaker:uh, an open circle where there is a gap, That invites people in.
Speaker:So that then signals to someone else who maybe feels a little bit awkward
Speaker:or a bit self-conscious, it's okay to come in, we haven't closed off.
Speaker:Yeah, it gives them a physical place to stand where they can actually then
Speaker:get a bit of eye contact with people.
Speaker:And then they can lock themselves into the group.
Speaker:And then once you notice that happening, Again, just try and make a
Speaker:subtle shift and even call it out to people, say, let's, let's widen the
Speaker:circle out a little bit so that we can leave a gap because I want to make
Speaker:sure that other people can come in.
Speaker:You can be that person who can just quickly guide.
Speaker:And after one or two times of doing that, you might notice that people
Speaker:start doing it and it can be, become something that becomes, you know, it
Speaker:spreads out a little bit, and it's a really useful way of being able then
Speaker:to create a bit of space for people who may be, feel a bit self-conscious about
Speaker:barging into a, to a group in a huddle.
Speaker:And then the last point is, just as I was talking about yesterday, where if
Speaker:you feel introverted, that is not a deficiency, it's a difference, I mean
Speaker:the same goes for you, uh, absolutely.
Speaker:But also that is not something that you need to fix in others.
Speaker:You don't need to bring people out of their shells necessarily.
Speaker:They might be quite happy in their shells.
Speaker:The shells might be where they do their best work.
Speaker:So just allowing for that, to be the case.
Speaker:And with all of this stuff, I don't want you to, I don't want you to think
Speaker:that I don't think you have feelings.
Speaker:Like that isn't, you know, as much as I've been going off here.
Speaker:I'm not suggesting that like, Stuff that, that you encounter doesn't
Speaker:affect you or that you don't have a, uh, verbose inner monologue you know?
Speaker:Absolutely, I know you will as well.
Speaker:You know, just because you're more outgoing does not mean that you
Speaker:are not introspective as well.
Speaker:So please don't think that I am denying your feelings in this or, you know,
Speaker:trying to force any kind of change.
Speaker:We, you know, as someone who probably errs more towards the introverted,
Speaker:especially like I said, in unfamiliar spaces, we need people like you.
Speaker:We do.
Speaker:We need you.
Speaker:But it's just that the more aware you are of your tendencies, just like
Speaker:introverts need to be aware of theirs, the easier it is to sort of round off
Speaker:those, those sharper edges really.
Speaker:And the more rewarding time you'll end up having.
Speaker:Cool.
Speaker:So time for my extra shot then, which today is the Famous and Gravy podcast.
Speaker:This is life lessons from dead celebrities presented by
Speaker:Michael Osborne and Amit Kapoor.
Speaker:This is, uh, it's, it's such a good podcast.
Speaker:They, they look at the life of a notable person, uh, who is now
Speaker:no longer with us and then ask a bunch of questions to essentially
Speaker:figure out is there's the kind of life that I would like to have led?
Speaker:Uh, and it's, it's really good.
Speaker:Uh, it's a great episode from a few weeks back, uh, on Carrie
Speaker:Fisher, really wonderful.
Speaker:Uh, and they, they, they go in and they do the research.
Speaker:And it's, It's not a, it's not a comedy podcast, but you know, there is
Speaker:a lightness to it, but you really do come away with some, some good things
Speaker:to think about and, uh, some questions to ask about your own life as well.
Speaker:So famousandgravy.com.
Speaker:Go and check it out.
Speaker:Link is also in the show notes.
Speaker:And with that, uh, if you have got anything that you
Speaker:want to let people know about, then mark@morningcreative.fm.
Speaker:So we'll get onto one thing that you can do today to, uh, help you
Speaker:get more out of networking if you are, uh, in an extrovert mode.
Speaker:But before then, I just want to shout out to, uh, Frances for
Speaker:becoming my latest Backstage member.
Speaker:Frances now gets access to my behind the scenes podcast, uh, as well as
Speaker:all of the download numbers and the subscriber numbers for this project, so,
Speaker:she can see what I'm doing to build up my business here, my little practice.
Speaker:Uh, and so you can be like her by going to hellosteadman.com/backstage.
Speaker:And thank you to the lovely people who left, uh, such lovely comments
Speaker:actually on my episode yesterday about networking for introverts.
Speaker:Really, really appreciate it.
Speaker:@hellosteadman on the socials is where you can find me.
Speaker:So next time then we are going, uh, we're going back online and
Speaker:we're going to talk everything you wanted to know about collaboration,
Speaker:but we're too insular to ask.
Speaker:So, if you do one thing today, Think about the next networking
Speaker:opportunity that you have coming up.
Speaker:Make a plan to follow up with five to 10 people after the event.
Speaker:So, if you've got to do that, then you're going to be thinking about
Speaker:making a note of people's LinkedIn or Instagram handles or just their names.
Speaker:And then set a reminder the day after the event to go and start
Speaker:following people and DM-ing people and building up your network that way.
Speaker:This way you can not only be the life and soul of the party on the
Speaker:night, but you can also be the one who initiates that deeper connection.